Big Tax Bill

[djmdawson]

Need info on new BBB in congress from Trump. Wife and I are in the 70's. This is the first year of both getting RMD's and this will push income up big time.

Is there any benefit of owning a 2nd rental home from a tax perspective and what are the tax limits for eliminating the potential savings. IE, what is the income limit when you do not get to deduct losses?

I plan on using Turbo Tax or a tax guy but want the experience from someone who has a 2nd rental home.

DJ

[manaboutown]

Why Older Adults Should Think Twice About Being Landlords | Kiplinger (https://www.kiplinger.com/retirement/retirement-planning/why-older-adults-should-think-twice-about-being-landlords?utm_term=A7E54CBF-C61A-43BD-B0C3-A1E368CF8059&lrh=83ecd71054b3b6a66a70159e02f4776aaa620c211cd2af 973e83885b8f2c8980&utm_campaign=231AB69E-1652-46EB-A977-6F2C6C998083&utm_medium=email&utm_content=E081B616-5DE5-4A2B-A514-EB6A5E5A274F&utm_source=SmartBrief)

[Aces4]

Why Older Adults Should Think Twice About Being Landlords | Kiplinger (https://www.kiplinger.com/retirement/retirement-planning/why-older-adults-should-think-twice-about-being-landlords?utm_term=A7E54CBF-C61A-43BD-B0C3-A1E368CF8059&lrh=83ecd71054b3b6a66a70159e02f4776aaa620c211cd2af 973e83885b8f2c8980&utm_campaign=231AB69E-1652-46EB-A977-6F2C6C998083&utm_medium=email&utm_content=E081B616-5DE5-4A2B-A514-EB6A5E5A274F&utm_source=SmartBrief)

Great article and I have to wonder why in the world would a couple making enough money from RMD's and investments that would create a larger tax bill for them, bother dodging the income taxes due. At most, they probably have 15 years left for their money to last and if their taxes would be that "hefty" there is plenty to live on for that period.

I feel some details must be missing.

[retiredguy123]

I don't get it. If you anticipate losses on your rental property, what good does it do to deduct them? Why not just pay the taxes on the RMD distribution?

[Stu from NYC]

Bill not yet law so changes could take place

[CoachKandSportsguy]

So you have to pay taxes? we all do, its part of having successfully saved and invested.
Should you have done some ROTH rollover contributions? maybe, but why don't you actually go see a CPA about tax planning first.A CPA will set you straight on tax planning, as that is their primary specialty.

On the other hand, after taxes, what are you going to do with all the additional income? Any trips you want to take? Buy a boat?
Any gifts to family, helping them out? do you want to upgrade your house? Maybe move to a bigger house for a bigger tax deduction?

Taxes are the least of your problems though, in reality. . just a payment at withdrawal. .

good luck

You can always save the additional income and invest it for more income, maybe invest in tax free bonds, or stocks with qualified dividends?

[djmdawson]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

[Aces4]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

If you're just interested in trying to amass more wealth at your age, tell the crowd. You received some excellent information on older people maintaining rental property.

If you want to dodge paying taxes I'm sure someone here can help you. Be patient.

[blueash]

Why not take those RMDs you don't need and donate some or all of it to qualified charities. Then it is not taxed. You may of course consign this advice to the toilet also. Welcome to TOTV

[manaboutown]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

What can I say but welcome to IRMAA, NIIT and AMT! Believe me, you will NOT come to love paying them.

Regarding owning a rental house...What I initially posted in good faith from Kiplinger pretty well sums it up. At age 83 I have been involved in the rental business for 75 years and dealt with thousands of tenants in houses, apartments, mobile home parks and the self storage business so I believe I may know a little something about it. My father had nine rental homes. I was the slave from an early age, child labor, cutting the grass, painting and cleaning up after tenants left. Even one rental house can become a nightmare if you get a bad tenant. Paying plumbers and electricians to make repairs when necessary is very expensive so a small landlord better be both capable of and enjoy such work. Is the OP prepared to get calls in the middle of the night because a tenant has locked himself/herself out? Being a landlord is a JOB!

BTW, what I did is move ALL my IRA funds to a Roth during a very, very low tax year for me, fortunately concurrently a year during which the market had plunged. Win, win!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

I just finished being a landlord in the villages . the advice for taxes was to see a CPA who specializes in taxes, since you are so concerned with paying taxes. . This is a free web bbs, you get what you pay for. And not clearly being a someone with what experience? paying taxes? doing financial planning? managing trusts? filing all the different tax returns? yes, i do all those things. . but again, its just a web based bbs with free advice.

but its more perspective about taxes being a by product of success. . successful people pay taxes, and move on to get the financial planning they should have gotten to avoid the situation before it happened.

good luck

[BrianL99]

Need info on new BBB in congress from Trump. Wife and I are in the 70's. This is the first year of both getting RMD's and this will push income up big time.

Is there any benefit of owning a 2nd rental home from a tax perspective and what are the tax limits for eliminating the potential savings. IE, what is the income limit when you do not get to deduct losses?

I plan on using Turbo Tax or a tax guy but want the experience from someone who has a 2nd rental home.

DJ

No one seems interested in answering your question?

If I'm not mistaken, if your MAGI is $150,000 or more, you can not deduct any Passive Activity Loss. The "phase out" begins at $100,000. Check with your accountant.

[retiredguy123]

No one seems interested in answering your question?

If I'm not mistaken, if your MAGI is $150,000 or more, you can not deduct any Passive Activity Loss. The "phase out" begins at $100,000. Check with your accountant.
LOL. It sounds like the OP wants to buy a rental property to lose money, and then deduct the losses to reduce taxes.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

LOL. It sounds like the OP wants to buy a rental property to lose money, and then deduct the losses to reduce taxes.

LOL! lose the same amount of money are paying taxes, WIN - WIN, except you still have the same amount of after tax cash flow, and ALOTmore paperwork and headaches. .

[golfing eagles]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

Why not take those RMDs you don't need and donate some or all of it to qualified charities. Then it is not taxed. You may of course consign this advice to the toilet also. Welcome to TOTV

IMHO, OP's 2nd post on TOTV is way too early to get that snarky

[SoCalGal]

How to retire from being a landlord: A Delaware Statutory Trust (DST) is a legally recognized trust formed under Delaware law, primarily used for business purposes, such as holding real estate or other assets. It’s a flexible, separate legal entity where a trustee manages assets for the benefit of investors (beneficiaries), who hold beneficial interests rather than direct ownership. DSTs are commonly used in real estate for 1031 exchanges, allowing investors to defer capital gains taxes by reinvesting proceeds from property sales into like-kind properties. They offer limited liability, passive investment opportunities, and streamlined management, with the trustee handling operations. However, investors have limited control, and DSTs are subject to specific IRS rules for tax benefits.

If you have heirs, you can gift money, tax-free to them, during your lifetime. Experience the joy of seeing their lives improved while you live. The federal estate tax is levied on the estate of the deceased, not the beneficiary. For 2025, the federal estate tax exemption is $13.61 million per individual. If the Florida decedent’s estate is valued at or below this amount, no federal estate tax applies, and Johnny would receive the $2 million without federal estate tax liability. If the estate exceeds $13.61 million, the estate may owe tax (up to 40% on the excess), paid by the estate before distribution, not by Johnny.

Citation: Internal Revenue Service, "Estate Tax," updated for 2025, Estate tax | Internal Revenue Service (https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/estate-tax), which details the 2025 exemption amount of $13.61 million and clarifies that estate tax is the responsibility of the estate.

Additional Reference: IRS Publication 559, "Survivors, Executors, and Administrators," 2024, Publication 559 (2024), Survivors, Executors, and Administrators | Internal Revenue Service (https://www.irs.gov/publications/p559), which explains that beneficiaries typically do not pay estate tax on inheritances.

[Cdj1040]

Everyone wants tax and investment strategies regardless of income and savings. If you have money to invest you are looking at the stock market, annuities, rental property, bonds, gold and more. It's just a smart thing to do. Money for travel and everything you want to do and a nice windfall for your heirs is all good if you can do it QUOTE=Aces4;2442783]Great article and I have to wonder why in the world would a couple making enough money from RMD's and investments that would create a larger tax bill for them, bother dodging the income taxes due. At most, they probably have 15 years left for their money to last and if their taxes would be that "hefty" there is plenty to live on for that period.

I feel some details must be missing.[/QUOTE]

[Cdj1040]

If you DO invest in a second property and eventually want to sell it you will have to pay Capital Gains tax on any profit unless you buy another property within a defined period.
My neighbor struggled with this, didn't really want another rental property after looking at houses here and just decided to pay the taxes on what he sold in the end.

[Cdj1040]

If you DO invest in a second property and eventually want to sell it you will have to pay Capital Gains tax on any profit unless you buy another property within a defined period.
My neighbor struggled with this, didn't really want another rental property after looking at houses here and just decided to pay the taxes on what he sold in the end.

[retiredguy123]

If you DO invest in a second property and eventually want to sell it you will have to pay Capital Gains tax on any profit unless you buy another property within a defined period.
My neighbor struggled with this, didn't really want another rental property after looking at houses here and just decided to pay the taxes on what he sold in the end.
I would add that, to avoid capital gains, you also need to pay someone to arrange a "like-kind" exchange. And, you need to pay taxes on any depreciation deductions that you were eligible for during the rental period, even if you didn't take the deductions.

[LonnyP]

Good thing is that we are all older and that 3 Trillion in additional debt won't matter to us.

[jrref]

You are not going to get around the RMD, just pay the tax. The only thing you can do is donate some of your distributions to a qualified charity like a church. That portion of the RMD will not be taxed. Look at it this way, if you give money to your church or synagogue or any religious organization, instead of writing them a check from your checking account, take the same amount and send it to them from your distribution. You have to be over 70 to do this.

[rsmurano]

The OP should listen to all responses instead of barking about them. Coach gave a good response, like it or not.
IMO, I think it’s crazy to own any rental especially at our age. I want to coast/have fun in my retirement, not be a slave to renters at all hours. As another poster indicated, when you get tired of being a landlord, your gains will be taxed heavily unless you buy “like” property.
I was a landlord 4 decades ago and learned my lesson. Got out of it within a few years and I got taxed when I got out.
All my friends who held rentals during 2007 downturn, their values of each unit dropped 50%, was still paying the same property taxes, under water in mortgage, insurance, and had no buyers that wanted them. When dealing with stocks, it take seconds to sell or do trailing stop losses so you don’t need to continue watching them.
When the BBB gets implemented, you won’t be paying taxes on your Social Security income which will save you money.

[Haggar]

Need info on new BBB in congress from Trump. Wife and I are in the 70's. This is the first year of both getting RMD's and this will push income up big time.

Is there any benefit of owning a 2nd rental home from a tax perspective and what are the tax limits for eliminating the potential savings. IE, what is the income limit when you do not get to deduct losses?

I plan on using Turbo Tax or a tax guy but want the experience from someone who has a 2nd rental home.

DJ

I get this question a lot. And my answer to my clients is this.

First look at the purchase as an investment. Is is going to make money - taking into account the cash flow? If it loses money will the appreciation be greater than the money lost.

One doesn't want to lose $100 to save $20.

I get a similar question about buying equipment to get a tax deduction - And the answer is not if you don't need the equipment.

The building part of the rental property is written off at approximately 4% a year - not the land. The principal part of any loan payment is not tax deductible. Accordingly cash flow may be different than the tax profit or loss.

If you lose money the loss may or may not be tax deductible depending on your adjusted gross income. If it is not deductible in a particular year it is carried forward until a profitable year or fully deducted when the property (or a replacement property) is sold.

The gain is calculated by taking the original cost and improvements less depreciation allowable against the sale price less related sales expenses. This gain is taxed at the capital gains if the property is held more than one year. A loss is deductible against other capital gain income. Net maximum losses in a year can be deducted up to $3,000 a year. Any excess CG loss is carried forward.

If you move into a rental property and live ii it as a principal residence for two of the five years prior to sale you may escape capital gains. This works as well if you live in a house, convert it to a rental and sell within three years of having the house qualify as your primary residence for the required time.

Summary - buy a house for rent only if it makes economic sense.

[Haggar]

Need info on new BBB in congress from Trump. Wife and I are in the 70's. This is the first year of both getting RMD's and this will push income up big time.

Is there any benefit of owning a 2nd rental home from a tax perspective and what are the tax limits for eliminating the potential savings. IE, what is the income limit when you do not get to deduct losses?

I plan on using Turbo Tax or a tax guy but want the experience from someone who has a 2nd rental home.

DJ

If you give charity look at making QCD's- Qualified Charitable Distributions directly from your IRA. This reduces the taxable portion of your RMD. In effective getting a tax deduction for charitable contributions.

[retiredguy123]

I get this question a lot. And my answer to my clients is this.

First look at the purchase as an investment. Is is going to make money - taking into account the cash flow? If it loses money will the appreciation be greater than the money lost.

One doesn't want to lose $100 to save $20.

I get a similar question about buying equipment to get a tax deduction - And the answer is not if you don't need the equipment.

The building part of the rental property is written off at approximately 4% a year - not the land. The principal part of any loan payment is not tax deductible. Accordingly cash flow may be different than the tax profit or loss.

If you lose money the loss may or may not be tax deductible depending on your adjusted gross income. If it is not deductible in a particular year it is carried forward until a profitable year or fully deducted when the property (or a replacement property) is sold.

The gain is calculated by taking the original cost and improvements less depreciation allowable against the sale price less related sales expenses. This gain is taxed at the capital gains if the property is held more than one year. A loss is deductible against other capital gain income. Net maximum losses in a year can be deducted up to $3,000 a year. Any excess CG loss is carried forward.

If you move into a rental property and live ii it as a principal residence for two of the five years prior to sale you may escape capital gains. This works as well if you live in a house, convert it to a rental and sell within three years of having the house qualify as your primary residence for the required time.

Summary - buy a house for rent only if it makes economic sense.
Question: If you move into a rental property that has appreciated before you moved in, can you escape the capital gains that occured before you moved in? And, what about the depreciation deductions that you took while the property was a rental property? Do you need to recapture these?

[Villagesgal]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

For God's sake, YOU asked on an open forum, what kind of answers did you expect to get from people who are not financial experts. Make an appointment and speak with a tax accountant, cpa or financial planner, someone who's actually versed in such things.

[Aces4]

Good luck with rentals and filling your coffers.

[Haggar]

Question: If you move into a rental property that has appreciated before you moved in, can you escape the capital gains that occured before you moved in? And, what about the depreciation deductions that you took while the property was a rental property? Do you need to recapture these?

Generally, you cannot entirely escape capital gains tax on the appreciation of a rental property by simply converting it to a primary residence. However, converting your rental property to your primary residence and meeting certain requirements can allow you to exclude a portion of the capital gains when you eventually sell it.

[Stu from NYC]

The older I get the simpler I want my investments to be.

Putting funds in no load mutual funds with a good consistent track record does it for me.

[rjm1cc]

The answer is not to take on rental property to cut your taxes. Remember your tax deduction relates to money you spent on the property.

[coralway]

I would not take financial advice from anyone on any open forum - talk to a lawyer or CPA.

[GWilliams]

I don't get it. If you anticipate losses on your rental property, what good does it do to deduct them? Why not just pay the taxes on the RMD distribution?

It is a paper loss

[GWilliams]

So you have to pay taxes? we all do, its part of having successfully saved and invested.
Should you have done some ROTH rollover contributions? maybe, but why don't you actually go see a CPA about tax planning first.A CPA will set you straight on tax planning, as that is their primary specialty.

On the other hand, after taxes, what are you going to do with all the additional income? Any trips you want to take? Buy a boat?
Any gifts to family, helping them out? do you want to upgrade your house? Maybe move to a bigger house for a bigger tax deduction?

Taxes are the least of your problems though, in reality. . just a payment at withdrawal. .

good luck

You can always save the additional income and invest it for more income, maybe invest in tax free bonds, or stocks with qualified dividends?

With RMD their income will increase and the IRMAA will cost them extra premiums for Medicare for the same service as others. Why pay more for the same service?

[GWilliams]

LOL! lose the same amount of money are paying taxes, WIN - WIN, except you still have the same amount of after tax cash flow, and ALOTmore paperwork and headaches. .

Better to pay yourself than the government.

[Bwanajim]

I've owned rental properties and it could be a royal pain in the ass. One bad tenant could trashed the place and it's almost impossible to get them out. You don't need the aggravation at this point in life.

[BrianL99]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

I think that's a wise decision.

The majority of the advice in this thread is shockingly naive, incomplete, erroneous and just plain dumb.

'You'll have to pay taxes when you sell, if you make a profit"? Wow, shocking news.

"You'll pay high taxes when you sell real estate"? Yeah, about 65% lower taxes than other income.

"Give it to charity"? Not much different than giving it to the IRS, it's still gone.

I won't even get started on some of the nonsense regarding heirs. (Under almost all circumstance, your heirs will inherit at "current market value", regardless of how much you've depreciated the property.)

Don't be tempted to pull the advice in this thread, out of where you put it ... let it stay there.

[Aces4]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

Did you ever consider the answers came from people WITH experience who realize how quickly this part of your life will pass you by and what you want to buy into at your age, been there.. done that.

Also, you are asking a question which you should be asking pros because we all have different experiences, results, realities and goals in life.chilout

[BrianL99]

Need info on new BBB in congress from Trump. Wife and I are in the 70's. This is the first year of both getting RMD's and this will push income up big time.

Is there any benefit of owning a 2nd rental home from a tax perspective and what are the tax limits for eliminating the potential savings. IE, what is the income limit when you do not get to deduct losses?

I plan on using Turbo Tax or a tax guy but want the experience from someone who has a 2nd rental home.

DJ

Did you ever consider the answers came from people WITH experience who realize how quickly this part of your life will pass you by and what you want to buy into at your age, been there.. done that.

Also, you are asking a question which you should be asking pros because we all have different experiences, results, realities and goals in life.chilout


Perhaps because those questions were NOT asked by the OP.

Read his Post. He asked about "tax consequences" of owning a rental home.

He didn't ask about folk's experience owning rental property or how it affected their life.

He didn't ask if others thought it was a good or bad idea to become a landlord.

He didn't ask about anyone else's experience as a landlord.

He didn't ask for investment advice.

He asked a simple, straight-forward question about the tax consequences of buying a rental property.

Instead of providing answers, most everyone who responded, made up their own question and then provided their answer to it.

No wonder people get frustrated with Discussion Boards and social media of this type ... everyone is an expert, but no one takes the time to read the question that was asked ... they make up their own question.

[retiredguy123]

Perhaps because those questions were NOT asked by the OP.

Read his Post. He asked about "tax consequences" of owning a rental home.

He didn't ask about folk's experience owning rental property or how it affected their life.

He didn't ask if others thought it was a good or bad idea to become a landlord.

He didn't ask about anyone else's experience as a landlord.

He didn't ask for investment advice.

He asked a simple, straight-forward question about the tax consequences of buying a rental property.

Instead of providing answers, most everyone who responded, made up their own question and then provided their answer to it.

No wonder people get frustrated with Discussion Boards and social media of this type ... everyone is an expert, but no one takes the time to read the question that was asked ... they make up their own question.
I have to disagree with your post. The OP said that he wants the experience from someone who has a rental home. You don't need to own a rental home to answer a tax question. All you need is Google, AI, or to go to the IRS website. I agree that the OP didn't specifically ask a rental home question, but he definitely invited posters to share their experiences as a landlord. And that is what many posters did.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

With RMD their income will increase and the IRMAA will cost them extra premiums for Medicare for the same service as others. Why pay more for the same service?

Not disputing that, nor the tax consequences. Not disagreeing at all.

First, to wake up one day and say, "Oh NO, I have RMDs and a big tax bill coming" means that you you haven't done any financial planning to minimize the taxes, and so at the last minute, you don't have alot of options.

Second, to then want to invest in real estate as a landlord, with apparently no experience, just for the income deduction for passive losses, which comes primarily from the larger portion of depreciation, that is a risky venture.

Why? because there is alot of work, especially people as they get older, and there can be "high risk" tenants, which may cost you more in cash than in passive loss write offs. . .

So the answer is to figure out how much to convert to a ROTH or just cash out of the IRA, and pay a one time tax, albeit at the higher incremental rate, and then you don't have to worry about IRMMA, and NIT, etc. . but you still have to pay taxes to avoid the future taxes.

So if you do the math, as a married couple just collecting SS at the max amount, one doesn't have to worry about IRMMA NIT, etc unless your IRA is greater than about $3 M, based upon the current 2024 tax schedules, and growth and withdrawal rates

So is someone just waking up to the RMDs, and panicking unnecessarily because one hasn't done the financial planning out 20 years by year? although he may have to pay increased taxes, but not increased increased taxes?

See a tax professional to do some basic financial planning. . . and yes, capital gains tax may be lower than one's income tax rate, or it may be higher, uncertain for now

[BrianL99]

See a tax professional to do some basic financial planning. . . and yes, capital gains tax may be lower than one's income tax rate, or it may be higher, uncertain for now

I know you know this Coach, but the Long Term Capital Gains Tax Rate is lower than the Ordinary Income Tax Rate on income above $47,151. Effective Tax Rate is a more complicated question, but the basic rate on LTCG is going to be lower.

Again, the OP's question wasn't related to lifestyle choices, management questions or anything of the like ... he was asking about passive investment losses, as it relates to a rental property.

[Kelevision]

Hmm. Appreciate the info but must admit, not much help saying "pay your taxes" and suck it up cause you have 15 years left on earth anyways. Not really answering anything and not clearly from someone with experience, so I will put this "rarified" non-advice where it belongs, in the toilet.

With the exception of a small group, that’s ALWAYS the advice you’ll get on this forum. I stopped asking advice here long ago. Ask AI. Much smarter than TOTV. Sadly, I’m serious. Remember, You’re asking the same age or older and they don’t know the answer either.

[BrianL99]

With the exception of a small group, that’s ALWAYS the advice you’ll get on this forum. I stopped asking advice here long ago. Ask AI. Much smarter than TOTV. Sadly, I’m serious. Remember, You’re asking the same age or older and they don’t know the answer either.

Social Media post of the month.

[Cliff Fr]

Need info on new BBB in congress from Trump. Wife and I are in the 70's. This is the first year of both getting RMD's and this will push income up big time.

Is there any benefit of owning a 2nd rental home from a tax perspective and what are the tax limits for eliminating the potential savings. IE, what is the income limit when you do not get to deduct losses?

I plan on using Turbo Tax or a tax guy but want the experience from someone who has a 2nd rental home.

DJ

Consider yourself fortunate if you have enough money coming in to cause you to have to have to pay taxes. The vast majority of people will not have that issue.

[M2inOR]

Don't forget about paying taxes on rental income. Sure, no individual state income taxes in Florida, but rental income is subject to other taxes:

Florida Rental Tax - HomeRiver Group (https://www.homeriver.com/blog/florida-rental-tax)

[Aces4]

With the exception of a small group, that’s ALWAYS the advice you’ll get on this forum. I stopped asking advice here long ago. Ask AI. Much smarter than TOTV. Sadly, I’m serious. Remember, You’re asking the same age or older and they don’t know the answer either.

Yes, why rely on the true life experiences of people on this forum and rely on AI which, if anyone has half a brain and noticed, is not always correct or is vague and unsure. That the way to go! :1rotfl:

[virtue51]

You should consider yourself fortunate that you have sufficient income.

[jasamy2]

The best answer I’ve seen on this site to date. You are, obviously,very bright and well informed. Now, can you explain why one should or should not convert a regular IRA to a Roth IRA? That would be very helpful to a lot of us who are in the RMD of our lives. 😁

[M2inOR]

Re: converting a traditional IRA to a ROTH IRA

We did this over 3 years for roughly half of my wife's and my IRAs.

There is no easy answer other than when we started back in 2021, there was concern for what would happen in 2025-2026 with the changing tax laws.

Math is required as well as how much in taxes one is willing to pay.

Our conversions over 3 years subjected us to higher federal income taxes. We had moved from Oregon to Florida in 2020 so we avoided the huge tax hit from Oregon state income taxes.

After some research and developing a plan, we hired a ROTH conversion consultant to develop a plan (Craig Wear). The plan went into greater detail than my original plan, but agreed with the overall advantages that a conversion would deliver in the long term.

Stopped converting after 3 years, converted a lot, and only real hurt was being subject to IRMAA for a few years.

A ROTH conversion is not for everyone, so a lot of research is required, in addition to hiring an advisor to assist.

It's all worked out well for us.

The new tax laws might change the process and benefit a bit, so we will revisit in the coming weeks and months.

Our RMDs won't begin until 2026 and 2027. And we deferred taking Social Security until we turned 70 in 2023 and 2024. Fortunately we had savings and a deferred income benefit to tide us over after we retired in 2015 and 2019 (me and wife respectively).

In addition to Craig Wear, there are other consultants who will provide you with a ROTH conversion plan. Just be prepared for that federal income tax hit, and be a Florida resident with no income from other states to avoid that state income tax hit. Oregon's would have been very high for us.

[jasamy2]

I was responding to Haggar.

[Haggar]

The best answer I’ve seen on this site to date. You are, obviously,very bright and well informed. Now, can you explain why one should or should not convert a regular IRA to a Roth IRA? That would be very helpful to a lot of us who are in the RMD of our lives. 😁

A good question. A lot of info is needed to answer this question.

What's your tax rate in the year of conversion? If you're making a significant of money your rate will be high. That leaves less money to invest since now have "x" less taxes. Less money to grow.

What will be your tax rate at retirement?

How much of we talking about in total retirement funds that will be taxed?

It does not make sense for some taxpayers to do the conversion.

There's no one answer to this question but it has to be looked at on an individual basis.

[Haggar]

Don't forget about paying taxes on rental income. Sure, no individual state income taxes in Florida, but rental income is subject to other taxes:

Florida Rental Tax - HomeRiver Group (https://www.homeriver.com/blog/florida-rental-tax)

Short term rental income is subject to sales and tourist (where applicable) taxes. These are paid by the renter. So not a consideration for the landlord.

The landlord pay no taxes on rental income to Florida.

[justjim]

Why Older Adults Should Think Twice About Being Landlords | Kiplinger (https://www.kiplinger.com/retirement/retirement-planning/why-older-adults-should-think-twice-about-being-landlords?utm_term=A7E54CBF-C61A-43BD-B0C3-A1E368CF8059&lrh=83ecd71054b3b6a66a70159e02f4776aaa620c211cd2af 973e83885b8f2c8980&utm_campaign=231AB69E-1652-46EB-A977-6F2C6C998083&utm_medium=email&utm_content=E081B616-5DE5-4A2B-A514-EB6A5E5A274F&utm_source=SmartBrief)

I read the article and it is spot on. Why take on the “hassle”
In your 70’s when you have more than enough income to live very comfortably. Life is not permanent so enjoy why you still can.

[Battlebasset]

I read the article and it is spot on. Why take on the “hassle”
In your 70’s when you have more than enough income to live very comfortably. Life is not permanent so enjoy why you still can.

I did as well. And it expressed everything I have thought about having rental property.

We bought our place in the Villages about two years before we sold our home up north and moved in. In the meantime, we had the home in the Villages Hometown Properties rental program. Not as much hassle vs DIY, but still some hassles with making sure the lawn got cut and the weeds got pulled. We lost about $200 to $500 a month once we paid the VHP 15% cut.

The advantage was we bought the property when prices were low, and before COVID spiked everything. A 33% increase over three years. We could not have afforded this property when we moved into it.

So it worked out for us in our unique situation. But add three years, and we would have been underwater. So bottom line, becoming a landlord is a crapshoot. Do you want to take that chance, and deal with those hassles, when you are old and have to hire people to do everything?