Amenity Access

[rhood]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.

[Velvet]

Yes, but who says you HAVE to use the amenities? If you don’t want to carry the card. Don’t. Like a drivers’ license, you don’t want to carry, just don’t drive.

[tophcfa]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.

I find it much easier to carry my Villages ID than my phone. Of course, I wish someone would always check my ID when using an Ammenity, but that’s a different issue.

[Bogie Shooter]

I pass, don’t want to pay for all the equipment………

[golfing eagles]

I pass, don’t want to pay for all the equipment………

And I don't want to read about the consequences if there is any incident where an elderly lady was in a pool when 4 teenage boys hopped the fence from Trailwinds.

But there are cheaper alternatives to what was suggested

[jimhoward]

The villages is backwards technologically. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[shut the front door]

The villages is backwards technologically. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!

[retiredguy123]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.
Personally, I like it the way it is, but I would like the ID cards checked more often.

[BillyGrown]

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!

You are talking about an outfit that markets and advertises through their own newspaper. They are decades behind in technology. No social media platforms and ancient cards for gates are prime examples of the antiquated company.

[kansasr]

Let's not spend $$$ on something that really isn't a big problem.

[Pugchief]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.

100%
They won't even accept a scannable photo of Villages ID. Ridiculous.

[Bill14564]

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!

You are talking about an outfit that markets and advertises through their own newspaper. They are decades behind in technology. No social media platforms and ancient cards for gates are prime examples of the antiquated company.

Are you offering to fund the upgrade? Start a GoFundMe campaign?

Personally, I feel the approach being taken works well and keeps costs down. Much of what has been discussed in this and other threads would be terribly expensive and would create single points of failure that could make the entire system inoperable.

You do realize that the big, bad Developer no longer has anything at all to do with the gate capabilities north of 44, right? (and many south of 44 but the line move regularly)

[BillyGrown]

Are you offering to fund the upgrade? Start a GoFundMe campaign?

Personally, I feel the approach being taken works well and keeps costs down. Much of what has been discussed in this and other threads would be terribly expensive and would create single points of failure that could make the entire system inoperable.

You do realize that the big, bad Developer no longer has anything at all to do with the gate capabilities north of 44, right? (and many south of 44 but the line move regularly)

Some upgrades reduce employees, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing as far as savings.

[Stu from NYC]

I will add it to the list of what bothers me. Thinking I can start worrying about it in 19 years 8 months.

However now that I am retired only have time to worry about 2 things a year

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.

Florida paid a company called Thales almost $2million to develop a smart-ID app back in 2021. By 2024 the state realized it was an enormous, expensive tax-payer funded flop, and scrapped the program and told everyone who had the app to uninstall it. Some police departments didn't even know the app existed so when they pulled someone over who presented that app, it created major problems.

In addition, an app on a phone only works if the phone's battery isn't dead. A physical ID card works 24/7. Both phone and card could be lost. The screen on a phone could be polarized and not allow a scanner to work. But the card works all the time.

[retiredguy123]

Some people think that, if they just take a photo of their ID card and put it on their phone, it is as secure as the physical card. WRONG! You can photoshop and substitute any person's photo for the actual resident's photo, and The Villages employee has no way to verify that the person holding the phone is the actual resident.

[Velvet]

100%
They won't even accept a scannable photo of Villages ID. Ridiculous.

Will the police accept a scannable photo of your drivers’ license? Are they technologically backwards too? Just asking. It would make it easier on those of us who live with our phones and smart watches like I do - but it would make it easier to falsify as well. And that idea I don’t like.

[retiredguy123]

Will the police accept a scannable photo of your drivers’ license? Are they technologically backwards too? Just asking. It would make it easier on those of us who live with our phones and smart watches like I do - but it would make it easier to be hacked as well. And that I don’t like.
The police will not accept a photo of your drivers license, unless it is a digital copy made by the state for that purpose.

[Topspinmo]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.


I don’t like carrying phone. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Topspinmo]

Will the police accept a scannable photo of your drivers’ license? Are they technologically backwards too? Just asking. It would make it easier on those of us who live with our phones and smart watches like I do - but it would make it easier to falsify as well. And that idea I don’t like.

Only when you have to provide information, LEO can use anything they want.

[Pugchief]

Will the police accept a scannable photo of your drivers’ license? Are they technologically backwards too? Just asking. It would make it easier on those of us who live with our phones and smart watches like I do - but it would make it easier to falsify as well. And that idea I don’t like.

Isn't FL starting to use digital driver's licenses soon? Is THAT secure? (hint: YES)

[CarlR33]

The villages is backwards technologically. I don't see that changing anytime soon.Catering to people who still read the Sunny paper and it’s not even digital. The Villages still has the non digital ID card I have to carry, LOL. Let’s digitize that first?

[retiredguy123]

Good Lord. Yes, let's OPT OUT of amenities bc I don't like one aspect of the entire program. Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? Also, just bc we agrees to certain policies at purchase, does not mean they can NEVER be updated with changes in technology. If you can put you credit card into Apple Pay and use your phone to pay at the checkout, I'm sure they could do something similar and SECURE with the Villages ID bc we certainly don't want your sister using the facilities.
Yes, The Villages could change the rules. But the current rule requires a resident to show their actual, plastic ID card. But some people will argue with a rec center employee who won't accept a copy of the ID card on their phone. This is definitely not as secure as the actual plastic card, and it does NOT comply with the rule. Either get the rule changed or follow the rule. Don't make a copy of your card and expect the rec center employees to honor it.

[Bill14564]

Isn't FL starting to use digital driver's licenses soon? Is THAT secure? (hint: YES)

Not so much. See post #16. Even when it was active it was valid as an ID at some locations but not as a driver's license.

[Bill14564]

Yes, The Villages could change the rules. But the current rule requires a resident to show their actual, plastic ID card. But some people will argue with a rec center employee who won't accept a copy of the ID card on their phone. This is definitely not as secure as the actual plastic card, and it does NOT comply with the rule. Either get the rule changed or follow the rule. Don't make a copy of your card and expect the rec center employees to honor it.

Back in 2020 the Villages announced they would soon have a digital version of the Villager ID card. Got tired of holding my breath a few years ago.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Isn't FL starting to use digital driver's licenses soon? Is THAT secure? (hint: YES)

No, they're not. They had it implemented in 2024 but it flopped and was scrapped. They claimed it'd be improved and made available again in early 2025, but that ship has sailed and there's been no mention or movement on it since.

[BrianL99]

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!

I'm sure everyone knows that the Developer owns the IT company, that runs everything in The Villages, including the District.

I haven't looked at the budget lately, but I believe the District pays them well over $1,000,000/year. There's no incentive for the Developer's IT company to upgrade anything ... as long as the District keeps paying them.

[tophcfa]

You are the exception. No one under 70 would go anywhere without their phone. In my case, it's required if I want to start my car.

Well, then I guess I’m a 65 year old no one. And if a phone was required to start a car, that would be a non-starter for me. Screw that, if I can’t put a key in the ignition then I wouldn’t own it.

[Bill14564]

Well, then I guess I’m a 65 year old no one. And if a phone was required to start a car, that would be a non-starter for me. Screw that, if I can’t put a key in the ignition then I wouldn’t own it.

Good luck with that

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Well, then I guess I’m a 65 year old no one. And if a phone was required to start a car, that would be a non-starter for me. Screw that, if I can’t put a key in the ignition then I wouldn’t own it.

manual process work a very high percentage of the time. .
high tech processes have several points of failure, security being number 2 issue behind electricity as the number 1 issue. . universal standardization and then universal adoption are close behind. .

I personally prefer the manual processes with the super high up time and super low points of failure. .

high tech fobs. . easy to steal your car without the key and while you have your key inside your house. . a point of failure. .

smart phone o/s upgrades cause many app rewrites. . so one update might make you unable to open or start your car. . very low probability, but never zero. .

so many points of failure in the high tech world. . .

[Velvet]

And all that just so that you can take out your phone instead of your ID card which I have on a convenient lanyard. Wearing it, on formal occasions with a 14k gold rope (card tucked inside my top). And I do not even need a purse since the plastic carrying my id card can also carry a credit card. Convenient when dancing etc. Hey, if there is a will there is a way…

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[asianthree]

Will the police accept a scannable photo of your drivers’ license? Are they technologically backwards too? Just asking. It would make it easier on those of us who live with our phones and smart watches like I do - but it would make it easier to falsify as well. And that idea I don’t like.

Most will accept a proof of insurance, a carry permit, from your phone. So far DL on phone hasn’t worked for ID, but maybe it was the state law. Or at least not in Ohio.

[asianthree]

Some people think that, if they just take a photo of their ID card and put it on their phone, it is as secure as the physical card. WRONG! You can photoshop and substitute any person's photo for the actual resident's photo, and The Villages employee has no way to verify that the person holding the phone is the actual resident.

True two of my grandsons are coders, with web design. Give them an ID and in minutes you can be holding an exact replica of our TV ID with a picture of our cat. Part of their job is to issue code cards for some companies. It’s a five minute scan and change process.

[VAtoFLA]

Some people think that, if they just take a photo of their ID card and put it on their phone, it is as secure as the physical card. WRONG! You can photoshop and substitute any person's photo for the actual resident's photo, and The Villages employee has no way to verify that the person holding the phone is the actual resident.

I'm not advocating for pictures of cards, but a photoshop picture won't do anyone any good. You would have to hack the ID system and change what is in their files. When they scan the code on the card, a picture of the card appears on their screen and they can check that against what is being presented. The physical cards can be counterfeited as well so that verification piece is the control.

[Rocksnap]

Keep it simple. Use the ID & gate cards.

[srswans]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
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Yeah, I hear you but TV is so far behind the technology curve this will never happen.

For example, I tried to signup for the Eastport tour using the link in an email that the developer sent me. Didn’t work. I called them and was told that that link only worked from a computer, not a phone. smh.

On the other hand, Georgia, iirc, just passed a law to implement digital drivers licenses. The police officers will be carrying the matching readers sometime in 2027. Progress!

[bowlingal]

rhood....are you going to pay for my new iphone and watch?

[nn0wheremann]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.
If you get carded, give them your golf number, they enter it into the card reader and an image of your card is displayed with your picture.

[BubblesandPat]

Officials in The Villages have set a date to discuss “controlled access” for some amenities here in Florida’s Friendliest Hometown.

Residents’ cries about “outsiders” invading pools and pickleball courts have grown louder in recent years.

The Amenity Authority Committee and the Project Wide Advisory Committee have scheduled a rare joint workshop on the topic at 8:30 a.m. Monday, Sept. 22 at Savannah Center.

“Joint workshops are exceedingly rare, because only 2-3 have ever been held in The Villages’ history,” noted AAC member and Community Development District 4 Supervisor Don Deakin, one of the longest-serving elected officials in The Villages.

[Mrmean58]

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!

The IT dept has some very good individuals working in it and they are extremely frustrated by the lack of funding and foresight by those that must approve for improvements/upgrades. If always said the Villages has the finest Fisher Price computer system money could buy.......... 40 years ago.

[RoseyRed]

Adding new technology is very expensive and would cause monthly fees to increase! I pass as well!

I pass, don’t want to pay for all the equipment………

[Indydealmaker]

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!
You bought a house. Everything else should come with an accompanying cost. New technology costs more. Companies invest in revenue increasing technologies. Pony up the dough I am sure The Villages would be happy to update.

[ByebyeMichigan]

The family should pay for it to upgrade things , with the $12M/month they bring in with amenity fees…..

[ByebyeMichigan]

Actually , it is …….

[MandoMan]

I find it much easier to carry my Villages ID than my phone. Of course, I wish someone would always check my ID when using an Ammenity, but that’s a different issue.

I agree. I only rarely take my phone anywhere. I don’t like being controlled by technology. But I always have my wallet. How about an embedded microchip for ID, or a retinal scan?

[Bill14564]

The family should pay for it to upgrade things , with the $12M/month they bring in with amenity fees…..

Please attend the Resident Academy to learn how your local government works and where your fees go.

"The family" receives almost $0 in amenity fees and anything they do receive goes towards providing and maintaining the amenities in the newest areas.

[KarenBrake]

I took a picture of my ID and show it to the attendant on my iPhone. Then the attendant says “I don’t think it’ll scan.” I say “can we try.” They say “ok.” It scans beautifully every time. I do carry my ID just in case it doesn’t work.

[ThirdOfFive]

You are talking about an outfit that markets and advertises through their own newspaper. They are decades behind in technology. No social media platforms and ancient cards for gates are prime examples of the antiquated company.
Maybe because such procedures by and large reflect the techi-ness of the majority of The Villages? We are a "retirement community" after all, and it is a safe bet that 90% of our grandkids know far more about such things than we grandparents do.

Old habits die hard.

[airstreamingypsy]

Well, then I guess I’m a 65 year old no one. And if a phone was required to start a car, that would be a non-starter for me. Screw that, if I can’t put a key in the ignition then I wouldn’t own it.

Funny, if I have to put a key in the ignition to start a car, then I wouldn't own it.

[Switter]

100%
They won't even accept a scannable photo of Villages ID. Ridiculous.

That's probably because it's way too easy to fake. Almost anyone with a little tech savvy can do it in about 15 minutes with basic photo editing software. And if the barcode is scannable, then all someone needs is a card and they can make as many fake IDs as they want. All they have to do is replace the photo.

Usually when it comes to photo IDs or barcodes, it involves an application that stores your photo and validates who you are, typically using some form of two factor authentication.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yeah, I hear you but TV is so far behind the technology curve this will never happen.

For example, I tried to signup for the Eastport tour using the link in an email that the developer sent me. Didn’t work. I called them and was told that that link only worked from a computer, not a phone. smh.

On the other hand, Georgia, iirc, just passed a law to implement digital drivers licenses. The police officers will be carrying the matching readers sometime in 2027. Progress!

...and if a driver from Georgia drives down to Florida, and there's a fender-bender on the road and the cop asks for his drivers license, oh well?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I took a picture of my ID and show it to the attendant on my iPhone. Then the attendant says “I don’t think it’ll scan.” I say “can we try.” They say “ok.” It scans beautifully every time. I do carry my ID just in case it doesn’t work.

In the time it takes you to insist on being the exception to the rule, you could've just taken out the ID you carry just in case.

[VAtoFLA]

That's probably because it's way too easy to fake. Almost anyone with a little tech savvy can do it in about 15 minutes with basic photo editing software. And if the barcode is scannable, then all someone needs is a card and they can make as many fake IDs as they want. All they have to do is replace the photo.

Usually when it comes to photo IDs or barcodes, it involves an application that stores your photo and validates who you are, typically using some form of two factor authentication in.

There is 2 factor auth today. You present the card, they scan it and then confirm that you are the person whose picture was taken initially to create the Resident ID. Basic phot editing won't help with their verification step.

[VAtoFLA]

In the time it takes you to insist on being the exception to the rule, you could've just taken out the ID you carry just in case.

That's just an investment in training. Next time, she shows the same person her digital version, they scan it and she's on her way.

[Switter]

There is 2 factor auth today. You present the card, they scan it and then confirm that you are the person whose picture was taken initially to create the Resident ID. Basic phot editing won't help with their verification step.

So you're saying when the staff scan your card, it brings up a picture of the card on their device? I wasn't aware of that, but I never really paid attention when they scanned my card.

[Bill14564]

That's just an investment in training. Next time, she shows the same person her digital version, they scan it and she's on her way.

Or, it brings up the need to reinforce training - staff is not supposed to accept photos of IDs.

Sure, in this case, after just a little bit of delay for the discussion, scanning an image worked. The next person to try it will have a poor picture of the barcode or a scratch on their phone screen or a bad glare or any of a number of things that will prevent the scan from working. While the attendant is attempting to scan the image off the screen others will be waiting to be let in. Better to just carry the ID as you are supposed to when you want to use the amenities.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

There is 2 factor auth today. You present the card, they scan it and then confirm that you are the person whose picture was taken initially to create the Resident ID. Basic phot editing won't help with their verification step.

LOL!

So entering every event will require 2FA? that's a real line length generator and time wasting! Enough with the financial security requirements for a village event!

People can't think through basic operational implications . . .

Cards will do the trick to keep the costs down. . you bring a wallet? carry a card. .
you bring a phone, carry a card with it. .

[Bill14564]

LOL!

So entering every event will require 2FA? that's a real line length generator and time wasting! Enough with the financial security requirements for a village event!

People can't think through basic operational implications . . .

Cards will do the trick to keep the costs down. . you bring a wallet? carry a card. .
you bring a phone, carry a card with it. .

No, I believe they are pointing out that 2FA is currently being used whether the Villager notices it or not.

The attendant *might* look at the picture on your ID. The attendant *does* look at the picture on their device that appears just after the little "yay." That's the 2FA - the physical card and the match between the record and the individual.

I haven't been around to see what happens if the picture doesn't match the individual who presented the card.

[Nana2Teddy]

You are talking about an outfit that markets and advertises through their own newspaper. They are decades behind in technology. No social media platforms and ancient cards for gates are prime examples of the antiquated company.
The Villages has a Facebook page and YouTube acct, both very active. They very likely also have Instagram, but I don’t do IG so am not sure.

[Pugchief]

Yes, The Villages could change the rules. But the current rule requires a resident to show their actual, plastic ID card. But some people will argue with a rec center employee who won't accept a copy of the ID card on their phone. This is definitely not as secure as the actual plastic card, and it does NOT comply with the rule. Either get the rule changed or follow the rule. Don't make a copy of your card and expect the rec center employees to honor it.

That's fair. My point was that they SHOULD change the rules. It's 2025 people.

[Pugchief]

I agree. I only rarely take my phone anywhere. I don’t like being controlled by technology. But I always have my wallet. How about an embedded microchip for ID, or a retinal scan?

Opposite. I have all my credit cards in Apple Pay, as well as gym membership card, medicare card, AARP card, etc, etc. Never bring a wallet anywhere anymore. $25 cash and my driver's license in one pocket, phone in the other.

[Pugchief]

No, I believe they are pointing out that 2FA is currently being used whether the Villager notices it or not.

The attendant *might* look at the picture on your ID. The attendant *does* look at the picture on their device that appears just after the little "yay." That's the 2FA - the physical card and the match between the record and the individual.

I haven't been around to see what happens if the picture doesn't match the individual who presented the card.

Just got off a flight, TSA scans your Real ID and flight comes up in system. No need to show boarding pass. There is nowhere to hide.

So tell me again why we can't have digital Villages ID? Don't buy it if picture comes up after 'yay'.

[Bill14564]

Just got off a flight, TSA scans your Real ID and flight comes up in system. No need to show boarding pass. There is nowhere to hide.

So tell me again why we can't have digital Villages ID? Don't buy it if picture comes up after 'yay'.

See Post #25 (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2450893-post25.html)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

No, I believe they are pointing out that 2FA is currently being used whether the Villager notices it or not.

The attendant *might* look at the picture on your ID. The attendant *does* look at the picture on their device that appears just after the little "yay." That's the 2FA - the physical card and the match between the record and the individual.

I haven't been around to see what happens if the picture doesn't match the individual who presented the card.

So if we are using it in the 2FA physical sense now, why are people asking for more 2FA as more modernization?

And if what you say is correct, the scanning an ID on a phone picture would produce the same 2FA result, correct?

So why do we need to invest a ton more money to improve an adequately functioning system? because some people think that technology solves all real and imaginary problems, but at a very significant cost as the significance of the issue goes down?

Villages gathering at a meeting and villagers gathering at a pool should in no way suggest that millions in infrastructure needs to be added. . .especially when phones can't go swimming as well. .

[Bill14564]

So if we are using it in the 2FA physical sense now, why are people asking for more 2FA as more modernization?

And if what you say is correct, the scanning an ID on a phone picture would produce the same 2FA result, correct?

So why do we need to invest a ton more money to improve an adequately functioning system? because some people think that technology solves all real and imaginary problems, but at a very significant cost as the significance of the issue goes down?

Villages gathering at a meeting and villagers gathering at a pool should in no way suggest that millions in infrastructure needs to be added. . .especially when phones can't go swimming as well. .

Scanning a photo *might* work - see post #57

A digital-wallet based ID or a digital representation of an ID through the Villages free app would avoid some of those problems.

[JStyles]

I can use my phone’s and watch’s capabilities to enter Costco, Sam’s, pay for merchandise at stores and restaurants, etc
There is no reason a similar secure system couldn’t be used to access amenities, gates, pools, rec centers, etc.
I am against anything that would require me to carry another card or device to use facilities.
Florida drivers license will soon be digital.
The less I have to carry, the better. It all could be done digitally.

I have often thought the same. Genesis does it, Panera, etc. There is no reason they can’t make that work.

[JStyles]

Yes, but who says you HAVE to use the amenities? If you don’t want to carry the card. Don’t. Like a drivers’ license, you don’t want to carry, just don’t drive.

The note about the driver’s license was that with the Real ID, we won’t have to carry a drivers license. So…you don’t have to bring a physical ID and you still get to drive. 😉 yeah

[Bill14564]

The note about the driver’s license was that with the Real ID, we won’t have to carry a drivers license. So…you don’t have to bring a physical ID and you still get to drive. 😉 yeah

What does Real ID have to do with carrying a license? If anything, the additional information required to get a Real ID license would make it *more* desirable to carry.

[Velvet]

Opposite. I have all my credit cards in Apple Pay, as well as gym membership card, medicare card, AARP card, etc, etc. Never bring a wallet anywhere anymore. $25 cash and my driver's license in one pocket, phone in the other.

But a phone is such a nuisance to carry. Even the smallest one. Why not wait till AI is in the sunglasses. Should be any day now.

[Bogie Shooter]

Chip implant…….left arms only.

[Velvet]

Chip implant…….left arms only.

Naw, it can be hacked…

[Pugchief]

But a phone is such a nuisance to carry. Even the smallest one. Why not wait till AI is in the sunglasses. Should be any day now.

I must be in some other TV. I play all kinds of sports, clubs, etc and have never seen one person who does not have their phone with them. Possible exception would be at the pool, and even then it seems almost everyone has a phone.

[Aces4]

I must be in some other TV. I play all kinds of sports, clubs, etc and have never seen one person who does not have their phone with them. Possible exception would be at the pool, and even then it seems almost everyone has a phone.

Yes, some are addicted to their little phones. I hate dragging a phone around and since when can't phones be hacked?

[Pugchief]

Yes, some are addicted to their little phones.
Some? The vast majority would be more accurate. And you don't have to be addicted to want to remain connected at all (most) times.

I hate dragging a phone around and since when can't phones be hacked?
Phones can be hacked. Physical IDs can be forged (ask any bouncer). The level of security between digital ID and physical ID is negligible. Otherwise Apple Pay and Google Pay wouldn't exist.

[Bill14564]

Yes, some are addicted to their little phones. I hate dragging a phone around and since when can't phones be hacked?

What kind of hacking are you referring to? Can data be stolen? Yes. Can someone monitor what you say or type? Yes, but not easily and not likely to happen to any of us. But what does that have to do with using a phone-based digital ID?

[Velvet]

I think when it comes to backwards technology we can assume that the phone will soon be one.

[retiredguy123]

I don't have any objection to digital ID cards. But The Villages has not adopted them. Until they do, follow the rules.

[Topspinmo]

I think we should have chip installed under our skin, that was we are accounted for where ever we go. Naturally others would want in on the tracking that we are not aware of when we sign the disclaimer?

[PilotAlan]

some people think that technology solves all real and imaginary problems, but at a very significant cost as the significance of the issue goes down
The most important statement in this thread. IT solutions involve cost, and the need does not justify the cost.
We're not talking about controlled access to a sensitive workplace, or a police department, or a server farm.
It's a pool and a rec center.

Could they add it to the Villages app? Sure. But it's not cheap or easy, and it requires connectivity and power at any location you want to read it. A card allows a person to look at it and make a judgment. No power or network connectivity required.
They see thousands of cards and can pretty easily spot a fake.
Plus the cost to fake a card is pretty significant, vs faking a digital ID (near zero, the software needed is on every computer and most phones).

Yes, Costco and Starbucks do it. They're multi-billion dollar businesses, and have a vested interest in making it easy for you to buy from them. Plus they have fixed, known locations where they already put power and connectivity, and their business model justifies the expense.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Scanning a photo *might* work - see post #57

A digital-wallet based ID or a digital representation of an ID through the Villages free app would avoid some of those problems.

i don't see any problems. .
I see some people think/feel they are inconvenienced when making absurd comparisons to other parts of their lives

[Sabella]

Personally, I like it the way it is, but I would like the ID cards checked more often.

Villages pay millions of dollars a year to buy and maintain vehicles for community watch. I know they have useful purposes but Why couldn’t they be assigned the task of checking at our amenities to see if people do in fact live in the villages. If someone is in a swimming pool and is asked to show their ID card, they should have to get out of the pool and show their ID card. People not living in the villages is a lot bigger problem than people seem to think.

[retiredguy123]

Villages pay millions of dollars a year to buy and maintain vehicles for community watch. I know they have useful purposes but Why couldn’t they be assigned the task of checking at our amenities to see if people do in fact live in the villages. If someone is in a swimming pool and is asked to show their ID card, they should have to get out of the pool and show their ID card. People not living in the villages is a lot bigger problem than people seem to think.
I agree. The rec center employees are tasked with making periodic trips to the pools to check IDs, but some of them do not ask people to get out of the pool.

Also, a previous poster said that they use a digital copy of their ID on a phone. This is specifically not allowed, and The Villages employee should have refused entry unless the resident has a plastic ID card. We are paying rec center employees to do their job and to follow the rules.

[Bogie Shooter]

Villages pay millions of dollars a year to buy and maintain vehicles for community watch. I know they have useful purposes but Why couldn’t they be assigned the task of checking at our amenities to see if people do in fact live in the villages. If someone is in a swimming pool and is asked to show their ID card, they should have to get out of the pool and show their ID card.f.

People not living in the villages is a lot bigger problem than people seem to think.

Share your data to back this up?

[Nana2Teddy]

I must be in some other TV. I play all kinds of sports, clubs, etc and have never seen one person who does not have their phone with them. Possible exception would be at the pool, and even then it seems almost everyone has a phone.
Agree. For me going anywhere nowadays without my phone would be very much like me as a southpaw going anywhere without my left hand.

[Aces4]

What kind of hacking are you referring to? Can data be stolen? Yes. Can someone monitor what you say or type? Yes, but not easily and not likely to happen to any of us. But what does that have to do with using a phone-based digital ID?

Data being stolen is ongoing, constant. Putting all personal information, records, data on one stupid cellphone is ridiculous. Who wants that exposure and the hackers are always one step ahead of security. So you drop, lose or have your phone stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information on that one device. Please don't believe Apple devices can't be hacked, they may be more difficult but nothing is safe. Right now there is a quickening rise in automobile thefts do to the ease of reprogramming a new fob to one's vehicle. Don't leave valuables in your vehicle because the vehicle could disappear in a heartbeat.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Agree. For me going anywhere nowadays without my phone would be very much like me as a southpaw going anywhere without my left hand.

With very few exceptions (because waterproof cases are a thing, albeit expensive): MOST people don't go into the pool with their cell phone. Most people can't, because most people don't have waterproof cases, or pockets in their swimsuits that can hold those waterproof cases, or sturdy waistbands on their swim bottoms where a waterproof case and phone can be efficiently and safely clipped.

However, everyone is ABLE to go into the pool with their plastic ID card. It's easy to put it in a plastic envelope with a clip attached. Or stick it in the little "key & ID" pocket in some swim suit bottoms. Or hang it around your neck on a ribbon. Or heck, even puncture a little hole in the corner that doesn't have the bar code, and affix it to your suit with a safety pin.

People with an ID on their cell phone have a built-in excuse to not show it when they're in the pool. "Sorry, can't carry my phone in the water." People with a plastic ID don't have that built-in excuse. ID-checkers should be checking IDs of everyone in the pool area. Even the ones in the water.

[Bill14564]

Data being stolen is ongoing, constant. Putting all personal information, records, data on one stupid cellphone is ridiculous. Who wants that exposure and the hackers are always one step ahead of security.

There might be less personal information on your phone than you think. In many cases, the phone is simply a portal to access information sitting on servers around the world. My Google contacts *might* be stored on my phone but they *are* stored with Google. Hacking Google's cloud (or Amazon's or Apple's or Home Depot's or ...) will have a much bigger bang for the buck then accessing any one phone.


So you drop, lose or have your phone stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information on that one device.


*Because* all that information is available through a single portal and because of the way the Apple ecosystem works I can quickly recover all that information very quickly.

I don't worry about anyone being able to access that data from the stolen device because of the security features of the device and the apps that access the data. FaceID, passcodes, locked-out configuration settings, 2FA, and remote-wiping features all work together to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.

Please don't believe Apple devices can't be hacked, they may be more difficult but nothing is safe.


Again, what do you mean by "hacked?" Any computer is vulnerable to phishing emails and malicious links though some operating systems are better than others at protecting the user against himself. Remotely accessing and controlling any device is possible but it comes back to the bang for the buck. A hacker can spend a tremendous amount of time working to access my device to gain all the personal files from one relatively unimportant individual. Or, they can spend their time working to access a corporate cloud and gain access to the data from hundreds of thousands of individuals; I feel pretty safe.

Right now there is a quickening rise in automobile thefts do to the ease of reprogramming a new fob to one's vehicle. Don't leave valuables in your vehicle because the vehicle could disappear in a heartbeat.

Useful PSA but what does it have to do with hacking phones?

I don't leave valuables in my car anyway. Not because I expect to be the target of a thief with the antennas and equipment to trigger and clone my key fob, but because bricks are much more common.

[Velvet]

There might be less personal information on your phone than you think. In many cases, the phone is simply a portal to access information sitting on servers around the world. My Google contacts *might* be stored on my phone but they *are* stored with Google. Hacking Google's cloud (or Amazon's or Apple's or Home Depot's or ...) will have a much bigger bang for the buck then accessing any one phone.




*Because* all that information is available through a single portal and because of the way the Apple ecosystem works I can quickly recover all that information very quickly.

I don't worry about anyone being able to access that data from the stolen device because of the security features of the device and the apps that access the data. FaceID, passcodes, locked-out configuration settings, 2FA, and remote-wiping features all work together to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.



Again, what do you mean by "hacked?" Any computer is vulnerable to phishing emails and malicious links though some operating systems are better than others at protecting the user against himself. Remotely accessing and controlling any device is possible but it comes back to the bang for the buck. A hacker can spend a tremendous amount of time working to access my device to gain all the personal files from one relatively unimportant individual. Or, they can spend their time working to access a corporate cloud and gain access to the data from hundreds of thousands of individuals; I feel pretty safe.



Useful PSA but what does it have to do with hacking phones?

I don't leave valuables in my car anyway. Not because I expect to be the target of a thief with the antennas and equipment to trigger and clone my key fob, but because bricks are much more common.
Apple is hacked often, but unlike others, they do not share with you this information. How often they are hacked you can gage approximately by their updates on the IOS, fixing patches etc.

[Aces4]

There might be less personal information on your phone than you think. In many cases, the phone is simply a portal to access information sitting on servers around the world. My Google contacts *might* be stored on my phone but they *are* stored with Google. Hacking Google's cloud (or Amazon's or Apple's or Home Depot's or ...) will have a much bigger bang for the buck then accessing any one phone.




*Because* all that information is available through a single portal and because of the way the Apple ecosystem works I can quickly recover all that information very quickly.

I don't worry about anyone being able to access that data from the stolen device because of the security features of the device and the apps that access the data. FaceID, passcodes, locked-out configuration settings, 2FA, and remote-wiping features all work together to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.



Again, what do you mean by "hacked?" Any computer is vulnerable to phishing emails and malicious links though some operating systems are better than others at protecting the user against himself. Remotely accessing and controlling any device is possible but it comes back to the bang for the buck. A hacker can spend a tremendous amount of time working to access my device to gain all the personal files from one relatively unimportant individual. Or, they can spend their time working to access a corporate cloud and gain access to the data from hundreds of thousands of individuals; I feel pretty safe.



Useful PSA but what does it have to do with hacking phones?

I don't leave valuables in my car anyway. Not because I expect to be the target of a thief with the antennas and equipment to trigger and clone my key fob, but because bricks are much more common.

You, in premise, agree with my post but are claiming that your information can be recovered quickly. It will still be compromised by the thief! One doesn't used bricks to steal a car when sly capturing and changing the keyfob will do the trick. I don't leave anything in my vehicle either other than some old CD's that make me happy when I listen to them.

Pack all you want on your phone and carry it with you everywhere, that's your choice. Many of us don't want that option and the card works. Leaving a cell phone poolside while swimming is a bizarre plan in my mind.

[Bill14564]

You, in premise, agree with my post but are claiming that your information can be recovered quickly. It will still be compromised by the thief! One doesn't used bricks to steal a car when sly capturing and changing the keyfob will do the trick. I don't leave anything in my vehicle either other than some old CD's that make me happy when I listen to them.

Pack all you want on your phone and carry it with you everywhere, that's your choice. Many of us don't want that option and the card works. Leaving a cell phone poolside while swimming is a bizarre plan in my mind.

I understood your post to say that my information would be made visible to someone else or that I would lose access to it forever. Anything is possible but neither is likely and is both are more easily accomplished by other means.

If my car is stolen I'm much less worried about the valuables than I am about my car but if my concern is my valuables then I'm not worried about a key fob I'm worried about a brick. The thought of someone cloning my key fob and taking my car is way, way down on the list. Sure, it can happen, but the odds are greatly against it.

You don't seem to have understood about the phone as a portal. Much of your data is not on your phone, it is simply accessed through your phone. I don't carry my phone because it has the entirety of Google on it, I carry my phone because I can access Google through it. If someone wants to get your personal information, stealing your phone or hacking it when you are at the pool is a terrible way to go about it. They would be better off hacking a credit card company, bank, health care company, or IRS where the data is actually stored.

If you don't want to carry your phone and you don't want to use a digital ID that doesn't exist yet, no problem, no one is trying to force you to. But don't try to scare others away from it by throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. Carrying a phone isn't what makes the phone vulnerable, poor online practices does - and those generally happen in the home, not at the pool.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I understood your post to say that my information would be made visible to someone else or that I would lose access to it forever. Anything is possible but neither is likely and is both are more easily accomplished by other means.

If my car is stolen I'm much less worried about the valuables than I am about my car but if my concern is my valuables then I'm not worried about a key fob I'm worried about a brick. The thought of someone cloning my key fob and taking my car is way, way down on the list. Sure, it can happen, but the odds are greatly against it.

You don't seem to have understood about the phone as a portal. Much of your data is not on your phone, it is simply accessed through your phone. I don't carry my phone because it has the entirety of Google on it, I carry my phone because I can access Google through it. If someone wants to get your personal information, stealing your phone or hacking it when you are at the pool is a terrible way to go about it. They would be better off hacking a credit card company, bank, health care company, or IRS where the data is actually stored.

If you don't want to carry your phone and you don't want to use a digital ID that doesn't exist yet, no problem, no one is trying to force you to. But don't try to scare others away from it by throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. Carrying a phone isn't what makes the phone vulnerable, poor online practices does - and those generally happen in the home, not at the pool.

The cloud has some of my info, but not other info. My list of passwords is not available on the Cloud. It is only available on the device, encrypted, coded by me, and hidden. However, a lot of information is in the Cloud. Your phone has access to that Cloud. Once it's in there, it's all fair game for whoever accesses it to use however they see fit.

Your plastic ID card, on the other hand, can't access anything at all, currently. You can't use it to open a gate, you can't scan it on a Villages computer to get to your villages.net account. You can't use it to reserve a room at the rec center. In order to do those things, someone ELSE has to scan the card, which gives THEM access to your information and authorizations/permissions. That access is available on THEIR device, not on yours.

[Aces4]

The cloud has some of my info, but not other info. My list of passwords is not available on the Cloud. It is only available on the device, encrypted, coded by me, and hidden. However, a lot of information is in the Cloud. Your phone has access to that Cloud. Once it's in there, it's all fair game for whoever accesses it to use however they see fit.

Your plastic ID card, on the other hand, can't access anything at all, currently. You can't use it to open a gate, you can't scan it on a Villages computer to get to your villages.net account. You can't use it to reserve a room at the rec center. In order to do those things, someone ELSE has to scan the card, which gives THEM access to your information and authorizations/permissions. That access is available on THEIR device, not on yours.

Thank you, facts matter.

[Bill14564]

The cloud has some of my info, but not other info. My list of passwords is not available on the Cloud. It is only available on the device, encrypted, coded by me, and hidden. However, a lot of information is in the Cloud. Your phone has access to that Cloud. Once it's in there, it's all fair game for whoever accesses it to use however they see fit.

Exactly what I wrote with the exception that I believe that obtaining physical possession of your phone and accessing your data that way has a lot less bang for the buck than simply grabbing the data directly from the cloud.

If I remember correctly you store your passwords on a thumb drive which means you have no access to them at all away from your home. (yes, you *could* plug the drive into a library computer but that would be a REALLY bad idea)

Your plastic ID card, on the other hand, can't access anything at all, currently. You can't use it to open a gate, you can't scan it on a Villages computer to get to your villages.net account. You can't use it to reserve a room at the rec center. In order to do those things, someone ELSE has to scan the card, which gives THEM access to your information and authorizations/permissions. That access is available on THEIR device, not on yours.

That depends entirely on how the digital ID is implemented. If it is implemented like a Panera rewards card or a ticket to a dinner event or a digital Sam's card or a digital drivers license or a digital insurance card or a digital AARP card then it would have EXACTLY the same capabilities as your plastic card.

[Aces4]

If my car is stolen I'm much less worried about the valuables than I am about my car but if my concern is my valuables then I'm not worried about a key fob I'm worried about a brick. The thought of someone cloning my key fob and taking my car is way, way down on the list. Sure, it can happen, but the odds are greatly against it.



Thieves love this "it can't happen to me" mentality... I don't know if relying on the thought that the thieves are dumber in Flordia is valid but you do you.

Per AI: AI Overview
Reports suggest that car thefts using key fob reprogramming and relay attacks are a growing concern in several cities. Here are some examples:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Milwaukee police have reported a significant increase in car thefts targeting vehicles with push-to-start ignition systems using key reprogrammers. Nissan thefts, in particular, show a 90% increase through this method. Thieves are using devices to duplicate key fobs and start vehicles without the original key, according to Spectrum News.
Charlotte, North Carolina: Police in Charlotte have warned of a new, high-tech method of car theft involving devices that clone key fobs and program new ones.
Columbus, Ohio: Car thieves in Columbus are reportedly utilizing devices that capture key fob signals to steal cars with keyless entry.
It's important to note that law enforcement agencies and organizations like the National Insurance Crime Bureau emphasize that this is a nationwide problem, not restricted to specific locations. The use of devices like key fob reprogrammers and relay attack tools makes keyless entry vehicles vulnerable in various locations.
General trends and prevention
Vulnerable Vehicles: Vehicles with push-button start and key fob ignition systems are particularly susceptible to these types of thefts.
Methods: Thieves are employing "relay attacks" to capture and transmit key fob signals, or using devices to reprogram or create new key fobs for vehicles.
Prevention: Security experts and police recommend taking precautions such as storing key fobs in an RFID blocking container (e.g., a metal box or foil), using a steering wheel lock, installing a kill switch, or parking in well-lit areas

[Bill14564]

Thieves love this "it can't happen to me" mentality... I don't know if relying on the thought that the thieves are dumber in Flordia is valid but you do you.

Per AI: AI Overview
Reports suggest that car thefts using key fob reprogramming and relay attacks are a growing concern in several cities. Here are some examples:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Milwaukee police have reported a significant increase in car thefts targeting vehicles with push-to-start ignition systems using key reprogrammers. Nissan thefts, in particular, show a 90% increase through this method. Thieves are using devices to duplicate key fobs and start vehicles without the original key, according to Spectrum News.
Charlotte, North Carolina: Police in Charlotte have warned of a new, high-tech method of car theft involving devices that clone key fobs and program new ones.
Columbus, Ohio: Car thieves in Columbus are reportedly utilizing devices that capture key fob signals to steal cars with keyless entry.
It's important to note that law enforcement agencies and organizations like the National Insurance Crime Bureau emphasize that this is a nationwide problem, not restricted to specific locations. The use of devices like key fob reprogrammers and relay attack tools makes keyless entry vehicles vulnerable in various locations.
General trends and prevention
Vulnerable Vehicles: Vehicles with push-button start and key fob ignition systems are particularly susceptible to these types of thefts.
Methods: Thieves are employing "relay attacks" to capture and transmit key fob signals, or using devices to reprogram or create new key fobs for vehicles.
Prevention: Security experts and police recommend taking precautions such as storing key fobs in an RFID blocking container (e.g., a metal box or foil), using a steering wheel lock, installing a kill switch, or parking in well-lit areas

Reading comprehension is key!

I didn't write that it could not happen to me, I wrote that it is way, way down on my list of concerns.

I don't know what kind of security is built into my fob. For all I know it has a rolling key that cannot be duplicated. But even if it does not, it still is low on my list.

I'm not about to carry a metal box to put my key into when I carry it in my pocket. Not only unwieldy but it defeats the purpose of keyless entry.

I don't go out of my way to park in well lit areas either. I park at the squares, I park at the rec centers, or I park in my very dark garage.

As I'm sure someone is going to ask: What does this have to do with accessing Villages amenities?

[Aces4]

Exactly what I wrote with the exception that I believe that obtaining physical possession of your phone and accessing your data that way has a lot less bang for the buck than simply grabbing the data directly from the cloud.

If I remember correctly you store your passwords on a thumb drive which means you have no access to them at all away from your home. (yes, you *could* plug the drive into a library computer but that would be a REALLY bad idea)



That depends entirely on how the digital ID is implemented. If it is implemented like a Panera rewards card or a ticket to a dinner event or a digital Sam's card or a digital drivers license or a digital insurance card or a digital AARP card then it would have EXACTLY the same capabilities as your plastic card.

AI Overview
No, it is generally not wise to store all your information on your cellphone. While convenient, smartphones are susceptible to theft, loss, and hacking, which could expose sensitive data. It's best to use a combination of methods, including password managers and secure storage on personal computers, for sensitive information.
Here's why storing everything on your phone is risky:
Security Risks:
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Smartphones are vulnerable to malware, phishing attacks, and physical theft, which could lead to your personal information being compromised.
Data Loss:
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Losing your phone, whether through theft or misplacement, can result in the loss of all data stored on it.
Privacy Concerns:
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Apps often request access to personal information, and some may collect and share data without your knowledge.
Convenience vs. Security:
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While storing information on your phone can be convenient, it often comes at the cost of increased security risks.
Recommendations for Protecting Your Data:
Use strong passwords and enable two-factor authentication:
This adds an extra layer of security to your accounts.
Consider a password manager:
These apps securely store your passwords and other sensitive information, making it easier to manage and access them while minimizing risk.
Be cautious about app permissions:
Only grant necessary permissions to apps and be wary of apps that request excessive access to your data.
Back up your data regularly:
Backing up your phone's data ensures that you can restore it if your phone is lost, stolen, or damaged.
Avoid storing sensitive information like passwords, financial data, or private photos on your phone:
If you must store them, consider using secure encryption or storage solutions.
Keep your phone's software and apps up to date:
Updates often include security patches that can protect your device from vulnerabilities.
Be cautious about public Wi-Fi:
Avoid using public Wi-Fi networks for sensitive transactions, as they may not be secure.
Consider using a separate device for sensitive tasks:
If you need to access sensitive information frequently, consider using a more secure device like a laptop or desktop computer.
By taking these precautions, you can minimize the risks associated with storing personal information on your phone and protect yourself from potential threats.
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As I said earlier, you do you. With relatives that work in cybersecurity, I'll listen to them. Also, I find it a hassle to jump through all security hoops suggested above.

[Bill14564]

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As I said earlier, you do you. With relatives that work in cybersecurity, I'll listen to them. Also, I find it a hassle to jump through all security hoops suggested above.

Which of those "hoops" are difficult? They're pretty much 2nd nature to many of us.

Gonna be difficult to whip out my desktop while sitting in a restaurant trying to make last minute reservations.

Laptops and desktops are more secure?! You really need to be careful trusting AI.

Be careful making assumptions - your relatives are not the only ones who work(ed) in cybersecurity.

[Velvet]

As I said earlier, you do you. With relatives that work in cybersecurity, I'll listen to them. Also, I find it a hassle to jump through all security hoops suggested above.

Same here, my brother has a staff for cybersecurity at an ivy university, and a relative’s company works on cybersecurity for the CIA.

[bopat]

We already have a Villages ID card, just scan it at the amenity entrance. Put up a camera too. Camera probably doesn’t have to go anywhere or be hooked to anything. Maybe put a Google logo on it. It’s not rocket science. Should solve most of the problems.

But it is fun reading about the cia and cloud theory here, always love hearing what the experts have to say ;)

[Velvet]

Yes, well I’m sure we all know somebody who is a “somebody”. But I am excited about AI. I think it has potential for us here in TV too.

[Aces4]

Which of those "hoops" are difficult? They're pretty much 2nd nature to many of us.

Gonna be difficult to whip out my desktop while sitting in a restaurant trying to make last minute reservations.

Laptops and desktops are more secure?! You really need to be careful trusting AI.

Be careful making assumptions - your relatives are not the only ones who work(ed) in cybersecurity.

Like I said you do you :MOJE_whot: I suppose all that hoop jumping keeps one in shape, if they have an issue. So you'd have to use a laptop to make a reservation because you don't know how to use a phone or cell phone for the purpose for which it was intended. At least it can get you into the pool though, lol.

Yeah, there are hordes working for IT security and they can't keep ahead of the hackers, national or international. So what's your point?

[Pugchief]

With very few exceptions (because waterproof cases are a thing, albeit expensive): MOST people don't go into the pool with their cell phone. Most people can't, because most people don't have waterproof cases, or pockets in their swimsuits that can hold those waterproof cases, or sturdy waistbands on their swim bottoms where a waterproof case and phone can be efficiently and safely clipped.



Expensive? You can buy one on Amazon for under $10.

Regardless, just bc people don't go INTO the pool with their phone, doesn't mean they don't have their phone WITH them at the pool. In which case, your point is moot and a digital ID would work fine.

[Pugchief]

So you drop, lose or have your phone stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information ON that one device.

If you drop or lose or have your wallet stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information IN that one device?

[Pugchief]

Thieves love this "it can't happen to me" mentality... I don't know if relying on the thought that the thieves are dumber in Flordia is valid but you do you.

Per AI: AI Overview
Reports suggest that car thefts using key fob reprogramming and relay attacks are a growing concern in several cities. Here are some examples:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Milwaukee police have reported a significant increase in car thefts targeting vehicles with push-to-start ignition systems using key reprogrammers. Nissan thefts, in particular, show a 90% increase through this method. Thieves are using devices to duplicate key fobs and start vehicles without the original key, according to Spectrum News.
Charlotte, North Carolina: Police in Charlotte have warned of a new, high-tech method of car theft involving devices that clone key fobs and program new ones.
Columbus, Ohio: Car thieves in Columbus are reportedly utilizing devices that capture key fob signals to steal cars with keyless entry.
It's important to note that law enforcement agencies and organizations like the National Insurance Crime Bureau emphasize that this is a nationwide problem, not restricted to specific locations. The use of devices like key fob reprogrammers and relay attack tools makes keyless entry vehicles vulnerable in various locations.
General trends and prevention
Vulnerable Vehicles: Vehicles with push-button start and key fob ignition systems are particularly susceptible to these types of thefts.
Methods: Thieves are employing "relay attacks" to capture and transmit key fob signals, or using devices to reprogram or create new key fobs for vehicles.
Prevention: Security experts and police recommend taking precautions such as storing key fobs in an RFID blocking container (e.g., a metal box or foil), using a steering wheel lock, installing a kill switch, or parking in well-lit areas

This is a car tech issue, nothing more. How many Teslas get stolen? The minute it is gone, you use the app on your phone to disable the car.

[Pugchief]

AI Overview
No, it is generally not wise to store all your information on your cellphone. While convenient, smartphones are susceptible to theft, loss, and hacking, which could expose sensitive data. It's best to use a combination of methods, including password managers and secure storage on personal computers, for sensitive information.
Here's why storing everything on your phone is risky:
Security Risks:
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Smartphones are vulnerable to malware, phishing attacks, and physical theft, which could lead to your personal information being compromised.
Data Loss:
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Losing your phone, whether through theft or misplacement, can result in the loss of all data stored on it.
Privacy Concerns:
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Apps often request access to personal information, and some may collect and share data without your knowledge.
Convenience vs. Security:
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While storing information on your phone can be convenient, it often comes at the cost of increased security risks.
Recommendations for Protecting Your Data:
Use strong passwords and enable two-factor authentication:
This adds an extra layer of security to your accounts.
Consider a password manager:
These apps securely store your passwords and other sensitive information, making it easier to manage and access them while minimizing risk.
Be cautious about app permissions:
Only grant necessary permissions to apps and be wary of apps that request excessive access to your data.
Back up your data regularly:
Backing up your phone's data ensures that you can restore it if your phone is lost, stolen, or damaged.
Avoid storing sensitive information like passwords, financial data, or private photos on your phone:
If you must store them, consider using secure encryption or storage solutions.
Keep your phone's software and apps up to date:
Updates often include security patches that can protect your device from vulnerabilities.
Be cautious about public Wi-Fi:
Avoid using public Wi-Fi networks for sensitive transactions, as they may not be secure.
Consider using a separate device for sensitive tasks:
If you need to access sensitive information frequently, consider using a more secure device like a laptop or desktop computer.
By taking these precautions, you can minimize the risks associated with storing personal information on your phone and protect yourself from potential threats.
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As I said earlier, you do you. With relatives that work in cybersecurity, I'll listen to them. Also, I find it a hassle to jump through all security hoops suggested above.

The price for convenience. When you accept the Terms of Service when you activate your new phone, you're basically giving Apple/Google/Samsung etc permission to sell your data.

When you open an email account with Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, Apple etc, you do the same.

When you use a credit card, the issuer sees your purchase habits.

When you put your phone # in at Publix to get the BOGO's, they track your shopping habits.

Unless you are going to extensive lengths to protect your privacy, that ship has sailed a long time ago.

[Aces4]

This is a car tech issue, nothing more. How many Teslas get stolen? The minute it is gone, you use the app on your phone to disable the car.

We have different mindsets, I don't want my vehicle stolen. And by the time you figure it out it's been stolen it has been crashed or trashed. Whoopee, you can now disable it. It's a car tech issue that is affecting current vehicles on the road and not being remedied by the manufacturers of those vehicles.

[Aces4]

If you drop or lose or have your wallet stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information IN that one device?

A wallet isn't a device and why would you carry all information about you around in your wallet daily? I don't and can't say I see the necessity of being a walking computer but then I don't check the stock market every 2 minutes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Exactly what I wrote with the exception that I believe that obtaining physical possession of your phone and accessing your data that way has a lot less bang for the buck than simply grabbing the data directly from the cloud.

If I remember correctly you store your passwords on a thumb drive which means you have no access to them at all away from your home. (yes, you *could* plug the drive into a library computer but that would be a REALLY bad idea)



That depends entirely on how the digital ID is implemented. If it is implemented like a Panera rewards card or a ticket to a dinner event or a digital Sam's card or a digital drivers license or a digital insurance card or a digital AARP card then it would have EXACTLY the same capabilities as your plastic card.

Yup I keep all my files on a thumb drive. I ALSO have a specific file with passwords on an encrypted file on my phone. It's not just password protected, it's also encoded, so anyone looking at it will not understand what it means. But I will, because I'm the one who created it and I know what the keys are to the code. For example (hypothetical, I'm making it up):

I might have an app for my Dirt Devil smart-vacuum robot. In order to use the app I have to log in. I can't ever remember obscure crap like that. So it's in the file on my phone. If I open the file I'll see a little emoji of a cute little devil. And then the letter O. And it'll be followed by an enlarged smiley-face and the characters: "lie%4".

What that tells me is it's the Dirt Devil app, the e-mail I used to create the account was obb@hotmail.com and the password is Smyl3123%5.

There is absolutely no reason anyone would be able to figure that out, or even really care for that matter. Its meaning isn't clear. But I know exactly what it means and what to do with the data in the file.

[Aces4]

The price for convenience. When you accept the Terms of Service when you activate your new phone, you're basically giving Apple/Google/Samsung etc permission to sell your data.

When you open an email account with Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, Apple etc, you do the same.

When you use a credit card, the issuer sees your purchase habits.

When you put your phone # in at Publix to get the BOGO's, they track your shopping habits.

Unless you are going to extensive lengths to protect your privacy, that ship has sailed a long time ago.

Bah, so they know our grocery list if we charge our purchase, or once in a blue moon, purchase a bogo. We have an email address but not used often and the trick is don't use your phone for all that cr*ap and they won't have much info to grab.

[Pugchief]

A wallet isn't a device and why would you carry all information about you around in your wallet daily? I don't and can't say I see the necessity of being a walking computer but then I don't check the stock market every 2 minutes.

You don't have your driver's license, a couple of credit cards and your medical insurance and car insurance info in your wallet?

Whatever. You do you, I'll do me. To each his own.

[Pugchief]

Bah, so they know our grocery list if we charge our purchase, or once in a blue moon, purchase a bogo. We have an email address but not used often and the trick is don't use your phone for all that cr*ap and they won't have much info to grab.

Yeah, just get a Jitterbug flip phone that does nothing but text and call. I'll get right on that.

[bmcgowan13]

Yes, The Villages could change the rules. But the current rule requires a resident to show their actual, plastic ID card. But some people will argue with a rec center employee who won't accept a copy of the ID card on their phone. This is definitely not as secure as the actual plastic card, and it does NOT comply with the rule. Either get the rule changed or follow the rule. Don't make a copy of your card and expect the rec center employees to honor it.

Amen. Just abide by the rules we agreed to when we moved in--or--change them.

You have the photo ID on your phone---who was the plastic ID? I can give the plastic ID to my son/brother/co-worker/neighbor/neighbor's house guest etc and they get in with the quick scan...

Just carry it....

[Velvet]

Amen. Just abide by the rules we agreed to when we moved in--or--change them.

You have the photo ID on your phone---who was the plastic ID? I can give the plastic ID to my son/brother/co-worker/neighbor/neighbor's house guest etc and they get in with the quick scan...

Just carry it....

Seriously, THEY get in with YOUR photo on it? Please say where.

[Aces4]

Yeah, just get a Jitterbug flip phone that does nothing but text and call. I'll get right on that.

Now you're talking my language, that sounds perfect!

And the wallet is for my DL, insurance card and a charge card, nice setup.

[VAtoFLA]

... I can give the plastic ID to my son/brother/co-worker/neighbor/neighbor's house guest etc and they get in with the quick scan...

Just carry it....

No you can't. When it's scanned the card displays on the screen to the greeter. They look at the picture. Unless your brother is your twin, it's not going to work unless the worker is incompetent.

[MSchad]

They have been for decades. It's really sad how they can spend so much on unnecessary fluff to sell houses, but their IT dept is severely lacking. But they didn't get rich by making things easier for people who already bought!
That is the CDDs job, not the developer. Was the developer where you previously lived responsible forever for all your and your communities wants and needs? No, your local government was.