Walkers & Runners..................come on!!!

[dewilson58]

I see it everyday.

Walkers / Runners walking in the wrong direction on the "cart paths" (whatever you want to call the paths).

Walkers / Runners in the cart lane on roads when there is a sidewalk right next to them.

:loco::loco::loco::loco:

[golfing eagles]

I see it everyday.

Walkers / Runners walking in the wrong direction on the "cart paths" (whatever you want to call the paths).

Walkers / Runners in the cart lane on roads when there is a sidewalk right next to them.

:loco::loco::loco::loco:

Which is a clear violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 and they can be cited for it. I particularly like those that want to play chicken with a 600 lb. cart coming at them at 20 mph.

[shut the front door]

Which is a clear violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 and they can be cited for it. I particularly like those that want to play chicken with a 600 lb. cart coming at them at 20 mph.

To this day, the most egregious event I've ever heard of here was the lady walking in a golf cart lane (her friends were on the sidewalk). 2 golf carts approached and the first one swerved out of the way in time, but the 2nd one couldn't react quick enough and hit the woman, who died. The deputies literally ticketed the golf cart driver while the victim was breaking 2 laws.

[golfing eagles]

To this day, the most egregious event I've ever heard of here was the lady walking in a golf cart lane (her friends were on the sidewalk). 2 golf carts approached and the first one swerved out of the way in time, but the 2nd one couldn't react quick enough and hit the woman, who died. The deputies literally ticketed the golf cart driver while the victim was breaking 2 laws.

Perhaps they checked the golf cart and found it was capable of exceeding 20 mph.

[Topspinmo]

Which is a clear violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 and they can be cited for it. I particularly like those that want to play chicken with a 600 lb. cart coming at them at 20 mph.

Way I read it the diamond lanes are considered the street/road so should be walking on edge facing traffic ready to get out of way if hazard presents itself. Not blunder down in middle of diamond lane or walking two or more abreast. Actually MMP path by definition is a road private or not same rules apply IMO. But we know why my opinion worth…..:oops:

[golfing eagles]

Way I read it the diamond lanes are considered the street/road so should be walking on edge facing traffic ready to get out of way if hazard presents itself. Not blunder down in middle of diamond lane or walking two or more abreast. Actually MMP path by definition is a road private or not same rules apply IMO. But we know why my opinion worth…..:oops:

Your opinion is usually reasonable. In this case, there is a specific law that covers this, so no opinion is needed:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.

[Bill14564]

Way I read it the diamond lanes are considered the street/road so should be walking on edge facing traffic ready to get out of way if hazard presents itself. Not blunder down in middle of diamond lane or walking two or more abreast. Actually MMP path by definition is a road private or not same rules apply IMO. But we know why my opinion worth…..:oops:

The citation for the applicable Florida was provided. Suggest referring to it prior to offering an opinion.

[VApeople]

Since we do not have a golf cart and we never walk on an MMP and we never walk on the sidewalk in any village, I guess we are pleased to say we do not have a dog in this fight.

[Topspinmo]

Since we do not have a golf cart and we never walk on an MMP and we never walk on the sidewalk in any village, I guess we are pleased to say we do not have a dog in this fight.

So what saying you never walk out of house. If you walk on street/road rule definitely apply?

[VApeople]

So what saying you never walk out of house.

When we walk out of our house, we stay in our yard. We have a wonderful life.

[dewilson58]

When we walk out of our house, we stay in our yard. We have a wonderful life.

R U on a leash??
:beer3:

[shut the front door]

Perhaps they checked the golf cart and found it was capable of exceeding 20 mph.

Actually they ticketed her for failure to yield. I hope the poor woman fought it because it's bad enough she's got to live with that the rest of her life, but to get ticketed because the other person was breaking 2 laws is absolutely absurd.

[dewilson58]

Your opinion is usually reasonable. In this case, there is a specific law that covers this, so no opinion is needed:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.

Not only the law..................it's Common Sense.

:pepper2:

[ldturecek]

Any place you go, walkers are to face traffic. Here they don't know rule and worst of all not paying attention to what's going on around them.

[thevillages2013]

I see it everyday.

Walkers / Runners walking in the wrong direction on the "cart paths" (whatever you want to call the paths).

Walkers / Runners in the cart lane on roads when there is a sidewalk right next to them.

:loco::loco::loco::loco:

They need us to educate them one by one. Of course they would have to take their ear buds out first. Maybe a hand gesture will do it!

[Bombguy]

When we walk out of our house, we stay in our yard. We have a wonderful life.

So I am just curious how do you get from where you park your car/golf cart at most stores to the stores?

[Topgun 1776]

Florida Statute 316.130 addresses pedestrian traffic regulations and states that pedestrians should obey traffic control devices and instructions. However, it doesn't explicitly forbid pedestrians from using multi-modal paths when sidewalks exist.

[golfing eagles]

Florida Statute 316.130 addresses pedestrian traffic regulations and states that pedestrians should obey traffic control devices and instructions. However, it doesn't explicitly forbid pedestrians from using multi-modal paths when sidewalks exist.

There are no sidewalks alongside MMPs. The statute applies to cart and bike lanes along roads, which it does EXPLICITLY forbid. The lanes along these roads are NOT multimodal paths, they ARE cart and bike lanes.

[bobandbea]

I see it everyday.

Walkers / Runners walking in the wrong direction on the "cart paths" (whatever you want to call the paths).

Walkers / Runners in the cart lane on roads when there is a sidewalk right next to them.

:loco::loco::loco::loco:

Walking and Running on multi-modal paths in the direction of oncoming carts is done for safety reasons. It is more comfortable to see oncoming carts under control as opposed to hearing carts coming up behind you not knowing if they see you or not. Generally, it also provides for a friendly villages wave and acknowledgement.

Some runners use the lanes because they are generally softer than the concrete sidewalks to run on, especially if they are running a long distance and have sensitive feet.

[USOTR]

So what is the law when there is no sidewalk?

[nn0wheremann]

Which is a clear violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 and they can be cited for it. I particularly like those that want to play chicken with a 600 lb. cart coming at them at 20 mph.
Multi modal path, not golf cart path. Walkers have right of way over everyone. Bicycles have right of way over golf carts.

The slower the user, the greater the right of way. Easy as that.

[golfing eagles]

Walking and Running on multi-modal paths in the direction of oncoming carts is done for safety reasons. It is more comfortable to see oncoming carts under control as opposed to hearing carts coming up behind you not knowing if they see you or not. Generally, it also provides for a friendly villages wave and acknowledgement.

Some runners use the lanes because they are generally softer than the concrete sidewalks to run on, especially if they are running a long distance and have sensitive feet.

Well, those runners are violating the law. Florida statue 316.130 DOES NOT grant an exception for runners who believe asphalt is softer. Grass and sand are even softer yet, go run there but not in a lane designated for vehicular traffic

[golfing eagles]

Multi modal path, not golf cart path. Walkers have right of way over everyone. Bicycles have right of way over golf carts.


NO. Not multimodal path, cart and bike lane along certain roads. C’mon, this is not rocket science, the statute is crystal clear. Do I really need to repeat it again. Please read the whole thread

[golfing eagles]

So what is the law when there is no sidewalk?

Walk as close as possible to the edge of the road facing oncoming traffic, SINGLE FILE

[Worldseries27]

so i am just curious how do you get from where you park your car/golf cart at most stores to the stores?
thank you

[MX rider]

As long time runner, I don't get it either. I run on Odell where there's a sidewalk and a cart lane.

I see a few people that insist on walking in the cart lane. The odd part is, the people I see doing it are women, who are normally more safety conscious than men.

[VApeople]

So I am just curious how do you get from where you park your car/golf cart at most stores to the stores?

As I said before, we do not own a golf cart.

When we go to a store, we park in front of the store and carefully walk thru the parking lot. There are no rules in a parking lot. We keep our eyes open and do not get distracted.

[dewilson58]

As I said before, we do not own a golf cart.

When we go to a store, we park in front of the store and carefully walk thru the parking lot. There are no rules in a parking lot. We keep our eyes open and do not get distracted.

sad you had to explain.

:oops:

[ThirdOfFive]

Walk as close as possible to the edge of the road facing oncoming traffic, SINGLE FILE
Of course. Not exactly rocket surgery.

I do a lot of walking and see people walking on MMPs with traffic approaching them from the rear. Several times I've stopped and mentioned that they should be walking AGAINST approaching traffic instead of with it. I follow it up with "believe me, the way some people drive on these MMPs means that you WANT to see them coming". It always elicits a smile. So far no one has taken umbrage over my advice.

[Worldseries27]

florida statute 316.130 addresses pedestrian traffic regulations and states that pedestrians should obey traffic control devices and instructions. However, it doesn't explicitly forbid pedestrians from using multi-modal paths when sidewalks exist.
you are correct. The issues would be resolved in a courtroom. The crucial point i believe would be in determining negligence on behalf of the second driver. It would be pointed out that if the first driver could have avoided the pedestrian why couldn't the second driver who fatally struck the pedestrian who was illegally in the street?

[SaucyJim]

Dogfights are also prohibited under Florida statutes. :)

[SaucyJim]

Dogfights are also prohibited under Florida statutes. :)

[HospitalCoder]

Which is a clear violation of Florida statute 316.130 sec 3 and they can be cited for it. I particularly like those that want to play chicken with a 600 lb. cart coming at them at 20 mph.

Playing chicken or asserting the right of way? When you see a pedestrian, you should pass in other lane if safe to do so. If you can’t pass safely, you should stop your cart until you can pass or the until the pedestrian has cleared from in front of you.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

What about those who have their backs to traffic??? Total idiots.

[Topspinmo]

Playing chicken or asserting the right of way? When you see a pedestrian, you should pass in other lane if safe to do so. If you can’t pass safely, you should stop your cart until you can pass or the until the pedestrian has cleared from in front of you.

Majority golf cart drivers do that.

Majority Pedestrians need follow status, and not walk in middle and NEVER walk two abreast when traffic coming. That’s not sharing path that hogging it.

[ThirdOfFive]

Majority golf cart drivers do that.

Majority Pedestrians need follow status, and not walk in middle and NEVER walk two abreast when traffic coming. That’s not sharing path that hogging it.
When I walk I always step off the MMP onto the grass for approaching traffic, which is always appreciated.

[TeresaE]

I see it everyday.

Walkers / Runners walking in the wrong direction on the "cart paths" (whatever you want to call the paths).

Walkers / Runners in the cart lane on roads when there is a sidewalk right next to them.

:loco::loco::loco::loco:

If we all used a little bit of Situational Awareness when using multi-modal paths, we’d all be better off and TV would be a more pleasant, friendly town.

Golf carts, yes you may go 20mph, but if you’re coming around a blind corner or entering a tunnel on a MMP, slow down.

Walkers, you know you’re sharing the path with golf carts, walk against the traffic so you can SEE and HEAR what’s headed towards you. If you walk with traffic you cannot SEE nor can you HEAR if you’re wearing ear buds. Plus if you’re walking WITH traffic yes, you’re putting yourself at grave risk and holding up vehicles behind you.

Cyclists, know your capabilities and limitations. You’re too fast for the walkers and too slow for the golf carts. Unfortunately, cyclists need to be especially vigilant.

Finally, as my dad taught me, you may have the right of way, but never insist on it or you may be DEAD RIGHT. Just be nice. It’s actually will make for a much better day if you are.

[Topspinmo]

Florida Statute 316.130 addresses pedestrian traffic regulations and states that pedestrians should obey traffic control devices and instructions. However, it doesn't explicitly forbid pedestrians from using multi-modal paths when sidewalks exist.

MMP is a road, a path to one point to another used as transportation is road (look it up) therefore roads rules apply private road or not.

[Bombguy]

sad you had to explain.

:oops:Requires walking in the road at some point.

[Bombguy]

Of course. Not exactly rocket surgery.

I do a lot of walking and see people walking on MMPs with traffic approaching them from the rear. Several times I've stopped and mentioned that they should be walking AGAINST approaching traffic instead of with it. I follow it up with "believe me, the way some people drive on these MMPs means that you WANT to see them coming". It always elicits a smile. So far no one has taken umbrage over my advice.

I bet it was you who corrected me about a month ago. Thanks.

[kendi]

Agree with a previous post that paved areas are easier on the skeletal system than concrete so walkers/runners may use the street.

We see a gentleman jogging in the street which actually may be safer for him because his feet shuffle a bit and the walking path which is not concrete is uneven from encroaching tree roots. The street is not heavily traveled and even less so at the time he’s out. Hopefully he thinks to always face the traffic.

[Bill14564]

Agree with a previous post that paved areas are easier on the skeletal system than concrete so walkers/runners may use the street.

We see a gentleman jogging in the street which actually may be safer for him because his feet shuffle a bit and the walking path which is not concrete is uneven from encroaching tree roots. The street is not heavily traveled and even less so at the time he’s out. Hopefully he thinks to always face the traffic.

Walker/runners might use the street but if there is a sidewalk present then they are violating the law. I've checked... there is no reference to the skeletal condition, age, or walking abilities of the pedestrian mentioned in 316.130.

[SHIBUMI]

When two bodies are moving into the same space, the larger body will displace the smaller body in all cases.

Walkers give way to bikers, walkers and bikers give way to golf cars, walkers, bikers,golf cars give way to automobiles, walkers,bikers,golf cars, autos give way to trucks.

It's the simple science of self preservation, don't be a right fighter, stay safe and healthy. :BigApplause:






Not only the law..................it's Common Sense.

:pepper2:

[ElDiabloJoe]

R U on a leash??
:beer3:
That caused a chuckle, lol.

[shut the front door]

NO. Not multimodal path, cart and bike lane along certain roads. C’mon, this is not rocket science, the statute is crystal clear. Do I really need to repeat it again. Please read the whole thread

Nobody reads here. It is a post only board.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Walking and Running on multi-modal paths in the direction of oncoming carts is done for safety reasons. It is more comfortable to see oncoming carts under control as opposed to hearing carts coming up behind you not knowing if they see you or not. Generally, it also provides for a friendly villages wave and acknowledgement.

Some runners use the lanes because they are generally softer than the concrete sidewalks to run on, especially if they are running a long distance and have sensitive feet.
I agree with this.

When one runs 25+ MPW (Miles per week), then the infinitesimal difference of running on concrete vs asphalt is exponential. Worst I ever ran was the Dublin (IRE) Marathon. Their roads have those granite chips that are usually found in America piled around railroad tracks. They are floated to the surface but skimmed smoothly.

Instead of asphalt, you are running on granite. After 26.2, it made a significantly negative difference in my results and experience.

[dewilson58]

Requires walking in the road at some point.

:ohdear:

[MX rider]

I agree with this.

When one runs 25+ MPW (Miles per week), then the infinitesimal difference of running on concrete vs asphalt is exponential. Worst I ever ran was the Dublin (IRE) Marathon. Their roads have those granite chips that are usually found in America piled around railroad tracks. They are floated to the surface but skimmed smoothly.

Instead of asphalt, you are running on granite. After 26.2, it made a significantly negative difference in my results and experience.

As a longtime runner myself I would agree with you to a point. I only run 4 to 5 miles, because I love running and do it just to stay fit. Yes running on asphalt is a bit better than concrete, much more so for high mileage runners like yourself.

But the people I see using the cart lane instead of the sidewalk are just walking.
I would argue the concrete surface has minimal effect on them, especially with the shoe cushioning technology we have now. Shoes are leaps and bounds ahead of where they were 10 years ago. And walkers don't take near the pounding runners do.

Plus with all the crappy drivers here, it's foolish to not use a sidewalk.

I also run the mmp on Morse. 95% of the carts are courteous and always give me room when they go around me. I always give them a wave as a way to say thanks.

[Bill14564]

Requires walking in the road at some point.

Explain that please.

When I go to Publix I walk into my garage and get into my golf cart. I then drive to the Publix parking lot where I get out and walk to the store. To return home I reverse the process. Which road did I walk in?

The same goes for Winn Dixie, Aldi, Havana Country Club, The Toasted Yolk, and Hooter's. Heck, if I'm lucky I don't have to walk in the road to visit the Sumter and Brownwood squares.

[Arctic Fox]

There are no sidewalks alongside MMPs. The statute applies to cart and bike lanes along roads, which it does EXPLICITLY forbid. The lanes along these roads are NOT multimodal paths, they ARE cart and bike lanes.

Which roads are you referring to here?

If a road has a narrow lane alongside it, but no separate footpath, then walkers are allowed in that lane. Many times that lane will have a sign such as "Share the road" with pictures of a golf cart, a cyclist and a pedestrian.

[Bill14564]

Which roads are you referring to here?

If a road has a narrow lane alongside it, but no separate footpath, then walkers are allowed in that lane. Many times that lane will have a sign such as "Share the road" with pictures of a golf cart, a cyclist and a pedestrian.

Which roads are *you* referring to?

Other than possibly Morse north of 44, I can't think of a road in the Villages that has a diamond lane but no sidewalk. Since there is no sidewalk pedestrians can walk in the road. I can't think of a road in the Villages that has both an MMP *and* a sidewalk. There may be some, but I cannot think of them.

[Arctic Fox]

Actually they ticketed her for failure to yield. I hope the poor woman fought it because it's bad enough she's got to live with that the rest of her life, but to get ticketed because the other person was breaking 2 laws is absolutely absurd.

I can't see that driving without due care and attention, and plowing into someone, is anything other than ticketable.

Why was she driving so close to the cart in front that she couldn't avoid the pedestrian?

You may not like others sharing "your" road but that doesn't mean you can be judge, jury and executioner and mow them down.

I fully agree that the walker should have been facing traffic (and not in that lane if there was a footpath) but to be driving so dangerously that you can't take evasive action is hardly being a model law-abider.

[golfing eagles]

Playing chicken or asserting the right of way? When you see a pedestrian, you should pass in other lane if safe to do so. If you can’t pass safely, you should stop your cart until you can pass or the until the pedestrian has cleared from in front of you.

The pedestrian walking in a cart/bike lane when a sidewalk is next to them is in VIOLATION of Florida statute 316.130 (3). Yes, you are not allowed to hit him/her, but you can certainly "instruct" them as to the law, using whatever language you choose. They are not where they belong and do not have any "right of way", only the caveat that a car or a cart can't hit them

[golfing eagles]

Agree with a previous post that paved areas are easier on the skeletal system than concrete so walkers/runners may use the street.

We see a gentleman jogging in the street which actually may be safer for him because his feet shuffle a bit and the walking path which is not concrete is uneven from encroaching tree roots. The street is not heavily traveled and even less so at the time he’s out. Hopefully he thinks to always face the traffic.

No, NO, and NO!!!!!

THEY MAY NOT USE THE STREET

I'm beginning to think that Americans have a reading comprehension problem, so once again here is the statute:

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.

What is unclear???
Where is the part that states you can violate this LAW if you think it's "easier on your skeletal system"???
It is simple: If a sidewalk is available, IT IS ILLEGAL TO WALK IN THE CART/BIKE LANE
I think a kindergarten student can understand it.

[golfing eagles]

Which roads are you referring to here?

If a road has a narrow lane alongside it, but no separate footpath, then walkers are allowed in that lane. Many times that lane will have a sign such as "Share the road" with pictures of a golf cart, a cyclist and a pedestrian.

OK, to start with:
Pinellas Place
Hillsborough Trail
Hendry Drive
Moyer Loop
Anna Marie Ave.
Charlotte Court

All these roads have a CART AND BIKE lane and a sidewalk. Florida statute 316.130 prohibits pedestrians from walking on those lanes

Please point out where a "share the road" sign with pictures of carts, bikes and walkers is located.

[Velvet]

Actually they ticketed her for failure to yield. I hope the poor woman fought it because it's bad enough she's got to live with that the rest of her life, but to get ticketed because the other person was breaking 2 laws is absolutely absurd.

Well, in my opinion, there is never a good reason to hit someone if you can avoid it. Whatever the law says.

[Velvet]

I can't see that driving without due care and attention, and plowing into someone, is anything other than ticketable.

Why was she driving so close to the cart in front that she couldn't avoid the pedestrian?

You may not like others sharing "your" road but that doesn't mean you can be judge, jury and executioner and mow them down.

I fully agree that the walker should have been facing traffic (and not in that lane if there was a footpath) but to be driving so dangerously that you can't take evasive action is hardly being a model law-abider.

Well, except you don’t expect any pedestrian to be idiotic enough not to jump out of a cart’s way as a cart driving at proper speed, after another cart (which would block the view) when they have no reason to expect a pedestrian NOT on the sidewalk - unless the pedestrian fainted or something.

[Topspinmo]

Either way path, road, street when walking on them YOU should face traffic and walk on far edge, the diamonds lanes are extension of roads, should never blunder down middle or walk 2 or more abreast especially when traffic coming and especially all three meet at same time. AT time, time for walker/walkers to get up on curve to prevent accident. Walkers have right to walk but they also have responsibility to prevent accidents and protect themselves. If that means getting little grass on your shoes so be. Better than being injuried regardless of who’s right. When side walk available use them.

[PilotAlan]

MMP is a road, a path to one point to another used as transportation is road (look it up) therefore roads rules apply private road or not.
It's not a public road, which means almost all Florida statutes do not apply. It's private property.
Only Reckless Driving and criminal traffic violations (DUI, Vehicular Homicide, etc) can be enforced on private property.

Non-criminal traffic statutes only apply on private roads where the general public is permitted to operate motor vehicles, which excludes Villages MMPs)(no golf carts are not motor vehicles, and LSVs are not permitted on the MMPs). See FL AG legal guidance to the City of Apopka.

Not interested in arguments. I'm a retired FL cop, traffic homicide investigator, and expert witness on traffic enforcement issues. This was literally my job for 25 years.

[Bill14564]

It's not a public road, which means almost all Florida statutes do not apply. It's private property.
Only Reckless Driving and criminal traffic violations (DUI, Vehicular Homicide, etc) can be enforced on private property.

Non-criminal traffic statutes only apply on private roads where the general public is permitted to operate motor vehicles, which excludes Villages MMPs)(no golf carts are not motor vehicles, and LSVs are not permitted on the MMPs). See FL AG legal guidance to the City of Apopka.

Not interested in arguments. I'm a retired FL cop, traffic homicide investigator, and expert witness on traffic enforcement issues. This was literally my job for 25 years.

It appears that Florida laws feel golf carts are motor vehicles (see FL Statute 316.003(29))

I would like to read the FL AG legal guidance to the City of Apopka as it contradicts long-standing guidance here in the Villages. However, I have not yet been able to find it. Can you provide a link?

[Topgun 1776]

This post is like catnip to those that hate anyone being anywhere a golf cart can go. It's hilarious! People against walkers, runners, cyclists will make up and add to stories, laws, and statutes to prove their devotion to clearing MMPs of anyone but carts. Bottomline...no matter if a sidewalk is 1 foot away...if a golf cart driver causes or is involved in an accident on a MMP because of their failure to yield to to any of the
above, they are legally liable. I absolutely assure any of these golf cart only zealots, a civil suit is following right behind any traffic violations etc. before the dust clears. Everyone, enjoy your day! :-)

[golfing eagles]

This post is like catnip to those that hate anyone being anywhere a golf cart can go. It's hilarious! People against walkers, runners, cyclists will make up and add to stories, laws, and statutes to prove their devotion to clearing MMPs of anyone but carts. Bottomline...no matter if a sidewalk is 1 foot away...if a golf cart driver causes or is involved in an accident on a MMP because of their failure to yield to to any of the
above, they are legally liable. I absolutely assure any of these golf cart only zealots, a civil suit is following right behind any traffic violations etc. before the dust clears. Everyone, enjoy your day! :-)

I'm not sure that is the point here.
This thread is about pedestrians on cart/bike lanes that run along the roads, NOT MMPs.
Nowhere did I see a post that stated any cart driver wanted exclusive use of MMPs
Nowhere did I see anyone post that it is OK to hit a pedestrian, even if that pedestrian is violating the law.
Nowhere was a statute "made up", you can clearly read the applicable laws online

So basically, that post made no sense whatsoever, and was "hilarious"

Enjoy your day!

[dewilson58]

This post is like catnip to those that hate anyone being anywhere a golf cart can go. It's hilarious! People against walkers, runners, cyclists will make up and add to stories, laws, and statutes to prove their devotion to clearing MMPs of anyone but carts. Bottomline...no matter if a sidewalk is 1 foot away...if a golf cart driver causes or is involved in an accident on a MMP because of their failure to yield to to any of the
above, they are legally liable. I absolutely assure any of these golf cart only zealots, a civil suit is following right behind any traffic violations etc. before the dust clears. Everyone, enjoy your day! :-)

"This post"...........unclear as to which post, but the original post has nothing to do with hating, making up, a devotion.

The OP is to share on-going observations, the stupidity of some walkers/runners and someone is going to get hurt.

[dewilson58]

I'm not sure that is the point here.
........................

:1rotfl::1rotfl:...................you type faster than I.

[golfing eagles]

It's not a public road, which means almost all Florida statutes do not apply. It's private property.
Only Reckless Driving and criminal traffic violations (DUI, Vehicular Homicide, etc) can be enforced on private property.

Non-criminal traffic statutes only apply on private roads where the general public is permitted to operate motor vehicles, which excludes Villages MMPs)(no golf carts are not motor vehicles, and LSVs are not permitted on the MMPs). See FL AG legal guidance to the City of Apopka.

Not interested in arguments. I'm a retired FL cop, traffic homicide investigator, and expert witness on traffic enforcement issues. This was literally my job for 25 years.

It appears that Florida laws feel golf carts are motor vehicles (see FL Statute 316.003(29))

I would like to read the FL AG legal guidance to the City of Apopka as it contradicts long-standing guidance here in the Villages. However, I have not yet been able to find it. Can you provide a link?

Once again, I have to remind you NOT to confuse people with the facts, especially those that have made (their) definitive statement and are "not interested in arguments.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bombguy]

"This post"...........unclear as to which post, but the original post has nothing to do with hating, making up, a devotion.

The OP is to share on-going observations, the stupidity of some walkers/runners and someone is going to get hurt.

Being new to the villages area and someone who walks, runs, bikes, uses a golf cart and drives a car I appreciated the conversation.

[Worldseries27]

Villager leaves his castle on his mighty steed aka the gc. Before they have returned home some have cursed out their messy neighbors lawn, the street walker ( pun intended) the dog walkers , the joggers, the cyclists, the slow azz GC in front of me ol bas...., cars whizzing by, jacobs, the gardners and their stupid cones, the car at the gate who wont let them pass, the jerks around the bend in the tunnel who always trying for the head on, the stupid village engineer who designed these hills for my gc to break down on and finally the kamikaze mission to park my gc. How rude publix doesn't have valet or designated lots with a shuttle. Do the shopping ( that's for another op) and get to redo the trip in reverse.
Oh happy days.
I post the following . If it helps one i'll consider it a win.

[golfing eagles]

Villager leaves his castle on his mighty steed aka the gc. Before they have returned home some have cursed out their messy neighbors lawn, the street walker ( pun intended) the dog walkers , the cyclists, the slow azz GC in front of me ol bas...., cars whizzing by, jacobs, the gardners and their stupid cones, the car at the gate who wont let them pass, the jerks around the bend in the tunnel who always trying for the head on, the stupid village engineer who designed these hills for my gc to break down on and finally the kamikaze mission to park my gc. How rude publix doesn't have valet or designated lots with a shuttle. Do the shopping ( that's for another op) and get to redo the trip in reverse.
Oh happy days.
I post the following . If it helps one i'll consider it a win.

Funny and pretty much true. But what does that have to do with pedestrians illegally walking on cart lane

[HospitalCoder]

When I walk I always step off the MMP onto the grass for approaching traffic, which is always appreciated.

When cart traffic is congested both ways, I also step off the path if there is a convenient spot. I don’t move over routinely because it sends the wrong message. Non cart traffic has equal rights and deference to carts encourages cart drivers to drive even more recklessly. BTW, I am also a frequent cart driver. I wish everyone would experience the MMPs and non-sidewalk streets from all modes, cart/walking/ biking/wheelchair. The perspective gained would be invaluable.

[Worldseries27]

funny and pretty much true. But what does that have to do with pedestrians illegally walking on cart lane
unfortunately you can not prevent the illegal pedestrian from appearing before your gc . That's a lei. when faced with a no fait accompli, eg illegal street pedestrian in my path or any other multitude of life's daily crises i've learned to say to myself " patience is a virtue" and more importantly, " what would jesus do" . That defuses me. What might work for others is to consider the illegal pedestrian a " low IQ walker," and have a laugh at their silliness.

[golfing eagles]

unfortunately you can not prevent the illegal pedestrian from appearing before your gc . That's a lei. when faced with a no fait accompli, eg illegal street pedestrian in my path or any other multitude of life's daily crises i've learned to say to myself " patience is a virtue" and more importantly, " what would jesus do" . That defuses me. What might work for others is to consider the illegal pedestrian a " low IQ walker," and have a laugh at their silliness.

What would Jesus do? Similar to kicking the moneychangers out of the temple, he'd kick the pedestrians out of the cart lane :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Velvet]

This post is like catnip to those that hate anyone being anywhere a golf cart can go. It's hilarious! People against walkers, runners, cyclists will make up and add to stories, laws, and statutes to prove their devotion to clearing MMPs of anyone but carts. Bottomline...no matter if a sidewalk is 1 foot away...if a golf cart driver causes or is involved in an accident on a MMP because of their failure to yield to to any of the
above, they are legally liable. I absolutely assure any of these golf cart only zealots, a civil suit is following right behind any traffic violations etc. before the dust clears. Everyone, enjoy your day! :-)

Yes, and much good it does to the dead or severely injured person. Yes?

My ex neighbor had brain tumor operated on, but when wife was out he took his cart out as usual, running over his garbage bags etc. He was not caught for sometime. Another one would drive his car across Odell Cir without ever looking if there was traffic. We have various people who are driving around and should not be. If you are walking or running, be careful out there. It won’t be any fun suing someone from your hospital bed.

[MX rider]

Yes, and much good it does to the dead or severely injured person. Yes?

My ex neighbor had brain tumor operated on, but when wife was out he took his cart out as usual, running over his garbage bags etc. He was not caught for sometime. Another one would drive his car across Odell Cir without ever looking if there was traffic. We have various people who are driving around and should not be. If you are walking or running, be careful out there. It won’t be any fun suing someone from your hospital bed.

You're 100% correct about the amount of people here that shouldn't be driving. When I'm out running, my head is on a swivel and I'm hyper aware.

When we go out for a ride on our motorcycle, we get out of the bubble asap.

[Velvet]

You're 100% correct about the amount of people here that shouldn't be driving. When I'm out running, my head is on a swivel and I'm hyper aware.

When we go out for a ride on our motorcycle, we get out of the bubble asap.

lol, me too.

[Teed_Off]

There a couple (buffoons) who walk on Odell Circle that I sometimes see - she’s on the sidewalk and he’s in the golf cart lane. I once thought that he was on a suicide mission, but she couldn’t be that lucky.

I see it everyday.

Walkers / Runners walking in the wrong direction on the "cart paths" (whatever you want to call the paths).

Walkers / Runners in the cart lane on roads when there is a sidewalk right next to them.

:loco::loco::loco::loco:

[Velvet]

There a couple (buffoons) who walk on Odell Circle that I sometimes see - she’s on the sidewalk and he’s in the golf cart lane. I once thought that he was on a suicide mission, but she couldn’t be that lucky.

Odell? Wait till they meet up with the neighbor guy who drives without ever checking traffic, across Odell.