Sydney Sweeney And Her Blue Jeans

[New Englander]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

[Taltarzac725]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.

[Bill14564]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

I see *how* it happened but what I can't figure out is *why* it happened. Someone took the time to think of the seven degrees of separation to get from an advertisement of questionable taste to being offended about acknowledging genetics.

They wanted to be offended and they wanted to disparage either the actress, the product, or the company but why?

[ElDiabloJoe]

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.

Well, I now know something I did not before - American Eagle sells jeans. Not those crappy Levi's, or my go-to Wranglers, but an option for something a little nicer, more dressy occasion than working in the back 40. Like a casual dinner out.

[Taltarzac725]

Well, I now know something I did not before - American Eagle sells jeans. Not those crappy Levi's, or my go-to Wranglers, but an option for something a little nicer, more dressy occasion than working in the back 40. Like a casual dinner out.

Would a nice restaurant be OK with American Eagle jeans?


Women's High-Waisted Jeans | American Eagle (https://share.google/IIepj6eZiYVlcjRLK)

[Taltarzac725]

AE Dreamy Drapey Stretch Ripped Super High-Waisted Baggy Wide-Leg Jean (https://share.google/iEjGSj00RxMKAAWXN)


These make about as much sense to me as the banana taped to the wall being art?

And they would be damn cold in certain times of the year.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Would a nice restaurant be OK with American Eagle jeans?


Women's High-Waisted Jeans | American Eagle (https://share.google/IIepj6eZiYVlcjRLK)
Well, as long as your definition of a "nice" restaurant isn't one that primarily serves burnt coffee, granola, or açaí bowls.

[Pugchief]

They wanted to be offended and they wanted to disparage either the actress, the product, or the company but why?

Because OUTRAGE is all they have. They've made their own lives miserable. Cheers!

[Bassdeer]

Loved her gun range video better. Go Sydney

[Taltarzac725]

Loved her gun range video better. Go Sydney
Sydney Sweeney'''s American Eagle Ad Did The Impossible—Getting People To Talk About Advertising (https://share.google/u4TL114PTtU3sLg0n)


She seems to be getting really good at marketing herself.

[GreggC69]

Saw an opinion piece from one of the late night guys suggesting Bud Light should latch onto her asap and capitalize on her persona and try and regain some lost market share. The point made was that she is much more in line with their successful model than that one experiment that failed.

[fdpaq0580]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

Who the hell is Sydney Sweeney (1)?
And, what about the ad is racial (2)?
signed, Clueless in Paradise. 😶

[Taltarzac725]

Who the hell is Sydney Sweeney (1)?
And, what about the ad is racial (2)?
signed, Clueless in Paradise. ������

Not sure. She is a very intelligent actress. 27 years old it looks like. Hosted SNL recently.


I have not seen all the ad myself. Check out this video from this search, sydney sweeney ad american eagle https://share.google/kj48EReRyt9OWyyL0

It does seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.

[fdpaq0580]

Not sure. She is a very intelligent actress. 27 years old it looks like. Hosted SNL recently.


I have not seen all the ad myself. Check out this video from this search, sydney sweeney ad american eagle https://share.google/kj48EReRyt9OWyyL0

It does seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.

Thanx! I'll check it later. Right now I have to drink this coffee and eat this doughnut before someone catches me.

[asianthree]

My mom (92) understands the ad, speaking with her granddaughter this week.
She laughed LuLu doesn’t need Sydney, but I can think of 20 or so brands would definitely benefit.
She then pointed out, I wore that AE Jean style in the 70s. They are in the blue closet size 2. Mine are Blue too!

[fdpaq0580]

My mom (92) understands the ad, speaking with her granddaughter this week.
She laughed LuLu doesn’t need Sydney, but I can think of 20 or so brands would definitely benefit.
She then pointed out, I wore that AE Jean style in the 70s. They are in the blue closet size 2. Mine are Blue too!

If your mom (92) understands the ad, did she say it is racist or not? Inquiring minds want to know!

[asianthree]

If your mom (92) understands the ad, did she say it is racist or not? Inquiring minds want to know!

My mom is of Native American Heritage, with bright Blue eyes. She grew up with worry she would be hung in the barn as a half breed like those before her.

Racist has never been in her vocabulary, we are a multicultural family. So pick a race it’s somewhere in our family tree. Or dust to dust in the Church White, Black, or Red Cemetery.

[fdpaq0580]

My mom is of Native American Heritage, with bright Blue eyes. She grew up with worry she would be hung in the barn as a half breed like those before her.

Racist has never been in her vocabulary, we are a multicultural family. So pick a race it’s somewhere in our family tree. Or dust to dust in the Church White, Black, or Red Cemetery.

Still not sure how that relates to the ad. Guess I'll have to watch it.
As to ancestry, history is ugly to everyone at some point. But once I learned that all humanity goes back to Africa, I figured we are all to some degree mixed races, and species. Racism makes no sense. The ones most likely to be only half breed would be Sub-Saharan Africans whose people never left Africa and migrated to the rest of the world.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I would never seen or heard of this ad, much less analyzed it, but suddenly I’m forced to because it’s all over the news and now it’s here. First of all, who cares? Secondly, didn’t Beyoncé do the same thing? Thirdly, Brooke Shields did this way back in the ‘70’s. So I’m back to my first thing.

[Bill14564]

I would never seen or heard of this ad, much less analyzed it, but suddenly I’m forced to because it’s all over the news and now it’s here. First of all, who cares? Secondly, didn’t Beyoncé do the same thing? Thirdly, Brooke Shields did this way back in the ‘70’s. So I’m back to my first thing.

Different controversies with this and the Brooke Shields add (I don't recall the Beyonce add).

This one has been criticized by some as having a seven-degrees-of-freedom-type connection to the belief in eugenics, racism, and white supremacy. The Brooke Shields ad was criticized for sexualizing a 15 year old.

[Pugchief]

First of all, who cares?

Only the woke outrage mob. And then only after extensive mental gymnastics to get them to the point of outrage. People with better things to concern themselves with only see an extremely attractive young woman selling blue jeans.

[Stu from NYC]

I think I will pass on this one.

[fdpaq0580]

Only the woke outrage mob. And then only after extensive mental gymnastics to get them to the point of outrage. People with better things to concern themselves with only see an extremely attractive young woman selling blue jeans.

"The woke outrage mob"? You're making this up, right? HA! That's hilarious. Now my sides hurt from laughing so hard. Comedy hurts.

[Taltarzac725]

Thanx! I'll check it later. Right now I have to drink this coffee and eat this doughnut before someone catches me.

"The woke outrage mob"? You're making this up, right? HA! That's hilarious. Now my sides hurt from laughing so hard. Comedy hurts.

Woke is actually what is found all throughout the New Testament especially the Gospels . The Golden Rule and all that .

[Eg_cruz]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.
Agreed, people hating just to hate
Sad

[Eg_cruz]

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.
Do not agree with this at all. It’s because people are looking for reason to call racist!
There is nothing wrong with the ad
It’s obvious that she is a beautiful woman because of her genes, not because of any surgeries, not because she dies her hair, not because she put some way too much make up. She’s just simply beautiful and you get simply beautiful like that because of your biological genes.
Don’t fall into the rabbit hole that this was anything more than a play on words Jeans vs Genes……simple

[BrianL99]

That would be tough, as AE jeans didn't exist in the 70's.

The company started in 1977 as a retail storefront and didn't produce jeans with their name on them, until 1990.

[MorTech]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVla2MxLX_g

[Nordhagen]

Not sure. She is a very intelligent actress. 27 years old it looks like. Hosted SNL recently.


I have not seen all the ad myself. Check out this video from this search, sydney sweeney ad american eagle https://share.google/kj48EReRyt9OWyyL0

It does seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.Looks good to me.

[Rocksnap]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

By some people, you mean single white cat ladies. No one else cares.
But in all fairness, even my wife wanted to get into her jeans.

[Andyb]

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.
Bull!

[Circusgurl]

This article should be removed.

[Bill14564]

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.

Bull!

The ad absolutely does imply that she looks pretty in her jeans because of her genes.

And whether the ad will sell more jeans or not, it has certainly turned some people away.

So which part is "Bull?"

[Bill14564]

This article should be removed.

Care to elaborate? Which aspect of the discussion of this ad has anything at all to do with politics?

[oldtimes]

Do not agree with this at all. It’s because people are looking for reason to call racist!
There is nothing wrong with the ad
It’s obvious that she is a beautiful woman because of her genes, not because of any surgeries, not because she dies her hair, not because she put some way too much make up. She’s just simply beautiful and you get simply beautiful like that because of your biological genes.
Don’t fall into the rabbit hole that this was anything more than a play on words Jeans vs Genes……simple

Exactly. I never even thought about these jeans and now I want them.

[Retiredsteve]

Because OUTRAGE is all they have. They've made their own lives miserable. Cheers!
What if they really weren't outraged but people wanted to stir the pot and say others were outraged? But most have made up their minds so truth doesn't matter

[SaucyJim]

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.

The jeans are flying off the shelves and the company stock is up 20% last I heard. I want to know, since he actually has a horse in this race, how Gene Simmons feels about all this. :pray:

[Worldseries27]

This article should be removed.
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[Finchs]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

Everybody has genes...some are more desirable than others. But race has ZERO to do with that. Ugly comes in all colors, and so does beauty.

[MrFlorida]

Loved her gun range video better. Go Sydney

I second amendment that !!!

[Regorp]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

But it was ok for Beyonce and her cleavage to sell Levi's. Talented and beautiful Sydney gets destroyed for doing the same for American Eagle. Only in America.

[Taltarzac725]

But it was ok for Beyonce and her cleavage to sell Levi's. Talented and beautiful Sydney gets destroyed for doing the same for American Eagle. Only in America.

Beyonce's ad did not dance around the third rail of race like this one does. And deliberately from the look of it. Very savvy advertising though. They are selling pants.

[Bill14564]

But it was ok for Beyonce and her cleavage to sell Levi's. Talented and beautiful Sydney gets destroyed for doing the same for American Eagle. Only in America.

So you haven't seen the Beyonce commercials.

And it isn't Sweeney who is being criticized, it is the advertisement itself.

[nhtexasrn]

It sounded like the commercial added she had good genes to look that pretty in her jeans.


It is a touchy subject given world history. Seems innocent on her part but kind of stupid on the part of the company putting out the ad. Like throwing a big rock in a pond that is already rippling. If your goal is a peaceful scene on that pond. If it is to get a lot of air time then it has seemed to work. I do not know if such a tactic will sell more jeans or not. It might turn people away.

Since when is it a crime to have good genes and look good in your jeans?? 99% of the people in this country didn't even think about Hitler when they saw this ad! Why does everyone have to walk on eggshells to keep the 1% from getting hysterical? So ridiculous.

[juddfl]

Well, woke strikes again. Their comment about her being racist as only caused the jeans to sell out. They can not keep them in stock because of all the news about her.

[Taltarzac725]

So you haven't seen the Beyonce commercials.

And it isn't Sweeney who is being criticized, it is the advertisement itself.

She is probably doing very well professionally due to this .

[Pennyt]

AE Dreamy Drapey Stretch Ripped Super High-Waisted Baggy Wide-Leg Jean (https://share.google/iEjGSj00RxMKAAWXN)


These make about as much sense to me as the banana taped to the wall being art?

And they would be damn cold in certain times of the year.

Ripped jeans are great for Florida - I all them "air-conditioned" jeans.

[Bill14564]

She is probably doing very well professionally due to this .

She was asked to do this because she was doing very well professionally.

I think she was in a show that I watched but I can't recall anything about her.

This most likely will draw more attention to her and her acting career. Here's hoping the political aspect of that attention doesn't wind up hurting her.

[Eg_cruz]

This article should be removed.
How was this political because some people don’t like a company advertising that a girl with blonde hair blue eyes has good genes…… how is that political? It’s only political if you make it political, the commercial itself is not a political statement by any means.

[Eg_cruz]

The ad absolutely does imply that she looks pretty in her jeans because of her genes.

And whether the ad will sell more jeans or not, it has certainly turned some people away.

So which part is "Bull?"
Only insecure haters
Blow my mind how people overthink this commercial

[bopat]

I rarely wear pants.


Mostly shorts.

Never heard of Sidney before.

[Eg_cruz]

Beyonce's ad did not dance around the third rail of race like this one does. And deliberately from the look of it. Very savvy advertising though. They are selling pants.
Her ad ….she is singing call me a pretty little thing, then takes her pants off in a public.
So that is better how

[ElDiabloJoe]

This article should be removed.
Ya ever notice the first ones to be offended are the first ones to riot, vandalize, and wreak violence upon others? How does one have a thin skin about other people but wear armor when it comes to themselves? The one-way mirror of blindness here. Some have called it hypocrisy.

[bagboy]

The first time I knew of Sydney Sweeney, I was reading news from Key West. She purchased an oceanfront home a year or two ago for 16 million dollars. I think she was doing quite well before this ad.

[Taltarzac725]

Her ad ….she is singing call me a pretty little thing, then takes her pants off in a public.
So that is better how

Beyoncé’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN Beyonce’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN (https://share.google/RWo92m8h1VUJTunsa)


Not sure what ad you are talking about.

[Taltarzac725]

The first time I knew of Sydney Sweeney, I was reading news from Key West. She purchased an oceanfront home a year or two ago for 16 million dollars. I think she was doing quite well before this ad.

She has had a long career already in Hollywood. Sydney Sweeney - Wikipedia (https://share.google/dtLFz6SDO8ynvZXc0). She has been working since 2009.

[Bill14564]

Beyoncé’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN Beyonce’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN (https://share.google/RWo92m8h1VUJTunsa)


Not sure what ad you are talking about.

At 16 seconds into the commercial she takes her jeans off in a laundromat. With the shorts she is wearing underneath there is nothing offensive about it.

[Cliff Fr]

Had never heard of Sydney until this controversy. Nice ad and she's easy on the eyes

[Taltarzac725]

Ya ever notice the first ones to be offended are the first ones to riot, vandalize, and wreak violence upon others? How does one have a thin skin about other people but wear armor when it comes to themselves? The one-way mirror of blindness here. Some have called it hypocrisy.

That does not seem to be true. It would probably be a talking head on some 24 hour news station that started this Sweeny tempest in a teacup. And then others who had motives to continue it . Ratings, stock, or some other personal stake . Or as distraction.


I do find "genes" to be a very loaded word as far as historical, psychological, and sociological contexts are concerned.

[Runway48]

There seems to have been an effort over the last several years to redefine beauty and attractiveness. Regardless of race, some people can be placed in a burlap sack and look good. Others look like potatoes. It doesn't matter how much gaslighting the vocal minority do.

[Taltarzac725]

There seems to have been an effort over the last several years to redefine beauty and attractiveness. Regardless of race, some people can be placed in a burlap sack and look good. Others look like potatoes. It doesn't matter how much gaslighting the vocal minority do.

I resemble the potato. I did have holes in the knees of some of my jeans but those are from wear and tear like a dog scratching at me for more of my chicken.

[Ea327]

I can't figure out how some people can turn an ad from a clothing company about JEANS and turn it into a racial issue. This crap has got to stop.

I’m just glad that I am in the bubble so I don’t have to bother with that crap.

[Rainger99]

Woke is actually what is found all throughout the New Testament especially the Gospels . The Golden Rule and all that .

I don't recall anything in the Bible about men playing in women's sports.

[fdpaq0580]

Woke is actually what is found all throughout the New Testament especially the Gospels . The Golden Rule and all that .

That's what makes the "woke outrage" comment so funny, imo. The ones that slam "woke" so much are often the "holier then thou" types. They have no clue. But they've got opinions, and it's always "my way or the highway".

[Pugchief]

That's what makes the "woke outrage" comment so funny, imo. The ones that slam "woke" so much are often the "holier then thou" types. They have no clue. But they've got opinions, and it's always "my way or the highway".

Maybe the ones who slam Woke are tired of being told that everything they say and do is offensive to some snowflake, an act of microaggression, or outright racism. When there is ZERO accuracy to that.

[Pugchief]

By some people, you mean single white cat ladies. No one else cares.


:1rotfl:
Fact check: True

[fdpaq0580]

I don't recall anything in the Bible about men playing in women's sports.

Nothing about golf carts either. Or global warming, or cooling, or 2nd amendment rights. Lots of stuff isn't in the Bible. Maybe there is areason for that. Wonder what it is?

[thevillages2013]

I think I will pass on this one.

I won’t but I have only two words SEX SELLS!

[Pugchief]

What if they really weren't outraged but people wanted to stir the pot and say others were outraged?

Except after the ad came out there were dozens of TikTok, X, and Instagram posts (yes mostly from the aforementioned single cat ladies, but also some beta-male men) excoriating the ad as racist, Nazi, etc. So yeah, they were really outraged. They need to get a life.

[Pugchief]

She was asked to do this because she was doing very well professionally. Yes, she was.



I think she was in a show that I watched but I can't recall anything about her.
You're probably thinking of The White Lotus.



This most likely will draw more attention to her and her acting career.
It sure as heck will.


Here's hoping the political aspect of that attention doesn't wind up hurting her.
She's so popular (and good looking), she is uncancelable. Plus it seems like the whole cancel culture thing of the past 5 years is losing steam.

[fdpaq0580]

This article should be removed.

Explain, please.

[Bill14564]

Yes, she was.




You're probably thinking of The White Lotus.




It sure as heck will.



She's so popular (and good looking), she is uncancelable. Plus it seems like the whole cancel culture thing of the past 5 years is losing steam.

Probably was White Lotus though I need to go back to see her in character.

I was with you right up to the last sentence. Cancel culture is still here and gaining steam, it just looks different now and appeals to a different crowd. Pendulums.

[Pugchief]

I was with you right up to the last sentence. Cancel culture is still here and gaining steam, it just looks different now and appeals to a different crowd. Pendulums.

Really? Can you give me a couple of examples of someone canceled the other way around?

Pendulums for sure, but I have seen nothing similar to what you describe.

[Bill14564]

Really? Can you give me a couple of examples of someone canceled the other way around?

Pendulums for sure, but I have seen nothing similar to what you describe.

Can't think of a way to answer that won't be uncomfortably close to the forum rules plus, off topic. Look for a PM later tonight or early tomorrow morning.

[fdpaq0580]

Really? Can you give me a couple of examples of someone canceled the other way around?

Pendulums for sure, but I have seen nothing similar to what you describe.

You have seen nothing? I'll bet you have, but just don't recognize it when it's something you support. For examples I'm afraid it would become almost instantly political. Start with a fill in the blank question such as "Gulf Of ......", and go from there. Not personal. Not political. Just Geographical.

[Taltarzac725]

You have seen nothing? I'll bet you have, but just don't recognize it when it's something you support. For examples I'm afraid it would become almost instantly political. Start with a fill in the blank question such as "Gulf Of ......", and go from there. Not personal. Not political. Just Geographical.

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[thevillages2013]

You have seen nothing? I'll bet you have, but just don't recognize it when it's something you support. For examples I'm afraid it would become almost instantly political. Start with a fill in the blank question such as "Gulf Of ......", and go from there. Not personal. Not political. Just Geographical.

Alex, in the category of geographical location names I will answer the question. What is THE GULF OF AMERICA?

[Pugchief]

You have seen nothing? I'll bet you have, but just don't recognize it when it's something you support. For examples I'm afraid it would become almost instantly political. Start with a fill in the blank question such as "Gulf Of ......", and go from there. Not personal. Not political. Just Geographical.

What does renaming the gulf have to do with Cancel Culture? Nothing.

What I support is personal responsibility rather than blaming others, patriotism instead of hatred of America, and allowing people to apologize for their (real, not fake outrage) mistakes without having their lives and careers ruined. If you disagree with any of that, I feel sorry for you.

[Velvet]

I looked at the ad after this post, but what she says is true, parents do pass down their genes to their children. And both her eyes and jeans are blue. Sort of like saying the moon is in the sky. And she is happy. No teen angst etc Hey, you want to get offended by it… go ahead.

[fdpaq0580]

What does renaming the gulf have to do with Cancel Culture? Nothing.

What I support is personal responsibility rather than blaming others, patriotism instead of hatred of America, and allowing people to apologize for their (real, not fake outrage) mistakes without having their lives and careers ruined. If you disagree with any of that, I feel sorry for you.

Arbitrary renaming international locations or places because the place name was given by a culture you are mad at is most definitely a cancel culture move on the highest order of overinflated ego, designed to show distain for another country and culture, imo.
I support personal responsibility also. I also am also a patriot who proudly served this country for 6 years, part of that time in Vietnam. I, like you, love my country. And I, like you, believe in allowing apologies for mistakes. I also believe in acknowledging our history, good and bad, and going forward to make our country a place where all can feel respected, appreciated, safe, secure, equal and free.

[Velvet]

Places are renamed all the time. Depends on who is in power, eg Stalingrad became Volgograd after “our father, Stalin” in Russia became “that genocide monster, Stalin” since he killed 20 million of his own countrymen to implement his communist woke ideology. Etc. reinterpreting history is on-going, everywhere.

[Worldseries27]

arbitrary renaming international locations or places because the place name was given by a culture you are mad at is most definitely a cancel culture move on the highest order of overinflated ego, designed to show distain for another country and culture, imo.
I support personal responsibility also. I also am also a patriot who proudly served this country for 6 years, part of that time in vietnam. I, like you, love my country. And i, like you, believe in allowing apologies for mistakes. I also believe in acknowledging our history, good and bad, and going forward to make our country a place where all can feel respected, appreciated, safe, secure, equal and free.
it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

[Worldseries27]

since when is it a crime to have good genes and look good in your jeans?? 99% of the people in this country didn't even think about hitler when they saw this ad! Why does everyone have to walk on eggshells to keep the 1% from getting hysterical? So ridiculous.
you don't have to walk on eggshells. Stand your ground. Be a strong voice

[Bill14564]

it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

Will you be offering math on the Missouri River, Mississippi River, and Lake Ontario next?

Math (or any other science) had nothing to do with the local renaming.

[Bill14564]

Places are renamed all the time. Depends on who is in power, eg Stalingrad became Volgograd after “our father, Stalin” in Russia became “that genocide monster, Stalin” since he killed 20 million of his own countrymen to implement his communist woke ideology. Etc. reinterpreting history is on-going, everywhere.

I'm pretty sure the renaming of neither the city nor the reputation had nothing to do with the communist ideology or being woke (which Stalin wasn't). The renaming had everything to do with the rejection of who the man actually was and what he actually did/ordered, ///

[Cliff Fr]

She was asked to do this because she was doing very well professionally.

I think she was in a show that I watched but I can't recall anything about her.

This most likely will draw more attention to her and her acting career. Here's hoping the political aspect of that attention doesn't wind up hurting her.

I see nothing political about the ad.

[MX rider]

The ad absolutely does imply that she looks pretty in her jeans because of her genes.

And whether the ad will sell more jeans or not, it has certainly turned some people away.

So which part is "Bull?"

AE is laughing all the way to the bank on this. The ad is not racial at all. And if you've seen her, she looks great and does have good genes!

[Bogie Shooter]

it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

So what………

[Bill14564]

I see nothing political about the ad.

Neither do I.

[Worldseries27]

so what………
so when numbers dont favor your pov you shrug them off. Do votes count? Or is it " so what". Use your words

[Velvet]

I'm pretty sure the renaming of neither the city nor the reputation had nothing to do with the communist ideology or being woke (which Stalin wasn't). The renaming had everything to do with the rejection of who the man actually was and what he actually did/ordered, ///

Though not Russian, my mother was a school teacher who had to teach about “our father Stalin” and my father had to work under the communist woke regime directly. They were right there. We actually lived it. Sort of like saying to a person standing in the middle of the pool, they are not really wet.

[ElDiabloJoe]

What else has been changed? Siam? Shanghai? Ceylon? Burma? Swaziland? Persia? Holland? New Amsterdam? Bombay? Saigon?

No matter what else happens in this world, there is at least this one universal concept: No matter what you call it, no matter how much one despises it, no matter how much one pretends it does not occur, this one thing is true: "To The Victor Go The Spoils."

If the crazies in Seattle succeeded in long-term holding of their unsanctioned spaces, they would have the spoils of the space, the name of the space, the governance of the space, and existence. All spoils. There are examples all over, even if one eschews them.

[Bill14564]

Though not Russian, my mother was a school teacher who had to teach about “our father Stalin” and my father had to work under the communist woke regime directly. They were right there. We actually lived it. Sort of like saying to a person standing in the middle of the pool, they are not really wet.

Did Communism end in Russia after Stalin or does it still exist today? If it still exists today then renaming Stalingrad had little to do with Communism.

Most people using "woke" as a pejorative have no idea what the term means. It is beyond the scope of this thread but I suspect you and I different definitions for the term and how/where it should be applied.

While you and your parents were standing in the middle of the pool was it the communism, the "woke" (whatever that means to you), or the brutality that made it wet?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

The math: The Gulf of Mexico was named as such in 1552. The landmass known as Texas was part of Mexico.

Texas didn't become a state until the 1800's, after the Texan-Mexican war.

In the 1550's, Florida was inhabited by indigenous peoples, and Ponce de Leon, from SPAIN, came and brought assorted diseases with him. Florida didn't become a state until the 1800's.

The Gulf of Mexico was the Gulf of Mexico for 300 years BEFORE Texas and Florida became states. Another 150 years, totaling 450 years (give or take) until the US government thought it'd be a great idea to change its name.

My opinion - when the USA is the USA for more years than the Gulf has been the Gulf of Mexico, then maybe America will have earned the right to change its name. The gulf has only occupied the edges of the US since the mid-1800's, and that's less than 200 years. So get back to me in 250 years and we can talk about what I will call it then. Until then, it is, and has been, the Gulf of Mexico.

[phousel]

Stupid of the company! Their sales have been "through the roof!
Kudos to their marketing department.

[oldtimes]

So we went from Sydney Sweeney to the Gulf of Margaritaville.

[Velvet]

Did Communism end in Russia after Stalin or does it still exist today? If it still exists today then renaming Stalingrad had little to do with Communism.

Most people using "woke" as a pejorative have no idea what the term means. It is beyond the scope of this thread but I suspect you and I different definitions for the term and how/where it should be applied.

While you and your parents were standing in the middle of the pool was it the communism, the "woke" (whatever that means to you), or the brutality that made it wet?

Well, actually the Communist think they invented what we call “woke” here in the US except they took it much further. I can give examples from who they put as university presidents (hint they had no schooling) to empowerment of women (taking young children from their homes and families, housing them together - so mother could work) all driven by the ideology. The wealthy were not taxed, everything they had; home, land was taken from them and made “public” which meant it went to members of the party. And much, much more. And, by the way, if you disagreed you were executed, sometimes made into mince meat. My mother had to actually teach her young students, who were called “Pioneers” from grade 1, to report their parent (if they still lived at home) if a parent said anything against the party. This is not fiction. I know you must find these things hard to believe, and you’d really like to be able to explain it away, but my family actually lived it.

[fdpaq0580]

it would seem the math is on the president's side of the equation. Your offering opinions. I'm offering math.

Grasping at straws?
It has been the Gulf of Mexico since the 16th century. History and tradition! Not just my opinion. Recognized globally as the Gulf of Mexico. Trying to change the name is, imo, just silly.

[Taltarzac725]

Grasping at straws?
It has been the Gulf of Mexico since the 16th century. History and tradition! Not just my opinion. Recognized globally as the Gulf of Mexico. Trying to change the name is, imo, just silly.

It will probably be put back to how it was. I do not want to get political though.

[fdpaq0580]

So we went from Sydney Sweeney to the Gulf of Margaritaville.

Margaritaville? Sounds like an old guy missed his mark in the bar men's room. Again.

[Eg_cruz]

Beyoncé’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN Beyonce’s new Levi’s jeans ad has the Hive buzzing | CNN (https://share.google/RWo92m8h1VUJTunsa)


Not sure what ad you are talking about.
The where Beyoncé goes into a laundromat to wash her jeans that she is wearing
Look it up on YouTube

[JMintzer]

The ad absolutely does imply that she looks pretty in her jeans because of her genes.

And whether the ad will sell more jeans or not, it has certainly turned some people away.

So which part is "Bull?"

Yet AE stock is way up. Some store have lines to get in... Go figure...

[Worldseries27]

the math: The gulf of mexico was named as such in 1552. The landmass known as texas was part of mexico.

Texas didn't become a state until the 1800's, after the texan-mexican war.

In the 1550's, florida was inhabited by indigenous peoples, and ponce de leon, from spain, came and brought assorted diseases with him. Florida didn't become a state until the 1800's.

The gulf of mexico was the gulf of mexico for 300 years before texas and florida became states. Another 150 years, totaling 450 years (give or take) until the us government thought it'd be a great idea to change its name.

My opinion - when the usa is the usa for more years than the gulf has been the gulf of mexico, then maybe america will have earned the right to change its name. The gulf has only occupied the edges of the us since the mid-1800's, and that's less than 200 years. So get back to me in 250 years and we can talk about what i will call it then. Until then, it is, and has been, the gulf of mexico.
so a naming ceremony 600 years ago attended by a few invading and murderous conquistadores supercedes the right of an american president to rename our own territorial waters to honor our nation? I don't think so . That privilege was earned for the president by the sacrifices of our nation's dead and wounded in the cause of world peace.
The U S. Navy has fought and won in 2 world wars and today it's 16 ballistic missile submarines patrol the world's oceans with their over 2500 strategic nuclear warheads to keep the world free and safe from evil people. America has been called the arsenal of democracy, not mexico

america has lost patriots in ww1, 2, korea, vietnam, gulf and iraq wars
not mexico

america has lost over 72,135 american naval personnel in ww2 fighting for freedom on the world's seas
not mexico

even today america's navy patrols the oceans to preserve the right of navigation for all countries to sail upon
not mexico

the blood and sacrifice of us navy patriots alone justifies the presidents order to rename the gulf to honor american exceptionalism.
The order to rename it the gulf of america is in effect for all U S. Citizens even those who don't like it.

You can have a watch party for 250 years if you so desire as history dustbin awaits.

I'll party now

[Bill14564]

so a naming ceremony 600 years ago attended by a few invading and murderous conquistadores supercedes the right of an american president to rename our own territorial waters to honor our nation? I don't think so . That privilege was earned for the president by the sacrifices of our nation's dead and wounded in the cause of world peace.
The U S. Navy has fought and won in 2 world wars and today it's 16 ballistic missile submarines patrol the world's oceans with their over 2500 strategic nuclear warheads to keep the world free and safe from evil people. America has been called the arsenal of democracy, not mexico

america has lost patriots in ww1, 2, korea, vietnam, gulf and iraq wars
not mexico

america has lost over 72,135 american naval personnel in ww2 fighting for freedom on the world's seas
not mexico

even today america's navy patrols the oceans to preserve the right of navigation for all countries to sail upon
not mexico

the blood and sacrifice of us navy patriots alone justifies the presidents order to rename the gulf to honor american exceptionalism.
The order to rename it the gulf of america is in effect for all U S. Citizens even those who don't like it.

You can have a watch party for 250 years if you so desire as history dustbin awaits.

I'll party now
Nice story BUT, as we all know the name came from someone who was definitely NOT a veteran.

[fdpaq0580]

The where Beyoncé goes into a laundromat to wash her jeans that she is wearing
Look it up on YouTube

Not about your post.
Your tag line, "Living is easy with eyes closed". I think it's not true. I tried it and I kept tripping over things. Living, imo, is much easier and better with eyes open.

[Bogie Shooter]

Nice story BUT, as we all know the name came from someone who was definitely NOT a veteran.

Touché...........

[Bill14564]

you are correct. Why that matters idk. For the record if president obama had ordered it would you or anyone else here object? Answer if you like
in any case i honor you and all veterans for your service.

Honestly can’t say but I would like to think that I would still object.

Not a veteran but thank you for the thought.