Peds on MMPs

[Arctic Fox]

Just a reminder that, since all good pedestrians will be obeying the law by facing traffic, they may be coming towards you in places that you are not expecting them:

1) tunnels
2) roundabouts
3) bridges

so - pedestrians, cyclists and golfcarters - please exercise extreme caution so we all stay safe.

[golfing eagles]

Just a reminder that, since all good pedestrians will be obeying the law by facing traffic, they may be coming towards you in places that you are not expecting them:

1) tunnels
2) roundabouts
3) bridges

so - pedestrians, cyclists and golfcarters - please exercise extreme caution so we all stay safe.

You do realize that that post is going to open up the same can of worms as the same topic last week?

[Topspinmo]

Tunnels- ignore stop or yield signs I’m more important and in hurry. Roundabouts -when entering roundabout I don’t have to yield to traffic on my left in small MMP roundabout, I also don’t have stop or yield coming out of tunnel entering round about. Walkers- I can walk down middle of path, two or three abreast cause we are walking here, I don’t have walk on edge facing traffic cause after all MMP is not road and I don’t have to follow road rules cause I am on public path. ( note what is road? a path to get from one place to another). So basically it’s free for all on MMP cause don’t have follow ANY rules of road.

[coffeebean]

Just a reminder that, since all good pedestrians will be obeying the law by facing traffic, they may be coming towards you in places that you are not expecting them:

1) tunnels
2) roundabouts
3) bridges

so - pedestrians, cyclists and golfcarters - please exercise extreme caution so we all stay safe.

Pedestrians are not allowed in RABs as far as I know.

[Bill14564]

Pedestrians are not allowed in RABs as far as I know.

I believe they mean MMP RABs. There is one near Magnolia, one near Everglades, and at both ends of the Water Lilly bridge.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I walk facing traffic on MMPs but it feels wrong to me. As a pedestrian, it feels more like an oversized sidewalk that allows golf carts. Of course when I'm in my golf cart, driving on the right side feels totally legit, and the MMP feels exactly like an MMP.

When I'm riding my bike, I keep to the right. If a golf cart is behind me, approaching the back of my bike and about to pass me, and I'm about to approach a pedestrian who is facing me and coming toward the front of my bike, WHO yields for whom? Do I have to veer over to the grass? Does the pedestrian need to step off into the grass? Does the golf cart have to NOT pass me and just wait for me to pass the pedestrian? Do we signal to each other which of us is going to go in which order? Or do we all just shut our eyes and hope for the best?

[Topspinmo]

I walk facing traffic on MMPs but it feels wrong to me. As a pedestrian, it feels more like an oversized sidewalk that allows golf carts. Of course when I'm in my golf cart, driving on the right side feels totally legit, and the MMP feels exactly like an MMP.

When I'm riding my bike, I keep to the right. If a golf cart is behind me, approaching the back of my bike and about to pass me, and I'm about to approach a pedestrian who is facing me and coming toward the front of my bike, WHO yields for whom? Do I have to veer over to the grass? Does the pedestrian need to step off into the grass? Does the golf cart have to NOT pass me and just wait for me to pass the pedestrian? Do we signal to each other which of us is going to go in which order? Or do we all just shut our eyes and hope for the best?

I just stop in my golf cart when all three going to meet at same spot and make them walk around me on my right if their that close? Most don’t want get grass on their precious shoes and I don’t want get grass on my precious golf cart tires. As others have demanded there NO rules on MMP cause it private path’/road/MMP so do what want. :a040:

diamond lanes have specific rules on how to walk on roads. And yes diamond lanes lane of a road.

[CarlR33]

I see at least one golf cart near miss every time I go out in mine. Last night it was two near misses with one guy in the same cart in front of us casually driving the retro cart with his right arm on the top of the seat came to a corner and decided to do something in the cart and nearly hit another cart head on. Same cart had retro tail lights that looked “cool” but I thought they were not working since they were dark, I could see no brake lights when he stopped in front of me and no turn signals when turning. Yes, I advised him and I was told “they worked but maybe just hard to see.” Pedestrians are the least of my issues.

[Bill14564]

I walk facing traffic on MMPs but it feels wrong to me. As a pedestrian, it feels more like an oversized sidewalk that allows golf carts. Of course when I'm in my golf cart, driving on the right side feels totally legit, and the MMP feels exactly like an MMP.

When I'm riding my bike, I keep to the right. If a golf cart is behind me, approaching the back of my bike and about to pass me, and I'm about to approach a pedestrian who is facing me and coming toward the front of my bike, WHO yields for whom? Do I have to veer over to the grass? Does the pedestrian need to step off into the grass? Does the golf cart have to NOT pass me and just wait for me to pass the pedestrian? Do we signal to each other which of us is going to go in which order? Or do we all just shut our eyes and hope for the best?

Leaving aside egos and equipment sizes, I believe what should happen is:
- Cart has enough situational awareness to see what is happening and waits to pass the bicycle.
- Bicycle moves towards the center of the MMP (their left) to give space to the Ped. No need for the bicycle to cross the center line unless there is insufficient space to avoid hitting the Ped
- Pedestrian moves to the edge of the path (their left) to give space to the bicycle. No need to step into the grass

There may be another cart coming from behind the Ped which is why the Ped needs to make some room for the bicycle.

The bicycle may need to cross into the other lane which is why the cart should wait for the bicycle to get beyond the Ped

While this is the logical, courteous, and safe way to manage the situation, it is highly unlikely that all three will actually cooperate.

[midiwiz]

Just a reminder that, since all good pedestrians will be obeying the law by facing traffic,

Last I checked there is no Florida law that states you have to face traffic. As for the rest I can definitely appreciate all the sarcasm in the posts! (by the way you left out the drinking part LOL)

[golfing eagles]

Last I checked there is no Florida law that states you have to face traffic. As for the rest I can definitely appreciate all the sarcasm in the posts! (by the way you left out the drinking part LOL)

In that case, let me make everyone "aware":

Florida Statute 316.130 sec 4:

(4) "Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction."

[Worldseries27]

tunnels- ignore stop or yield signs i’m more important and in hurry. Roundabouts -when entering roundabout i don’t have to yield to traffic on my left in small mmp roundabout, i also don’t have stop or yield coming out of tunnel entering round about. Walkers- i can walk down middle of path, two or three abreast cause we are walking here, i don’t have walk on edge facing traffic cause after all mmp is not road and i don’t have to follow road rules cause i am on public path. ( note what is road? A path to get from one place to another). So basically it’s free for all on mmp cause don’t have follow any rules of road.
bottom's up

[Rocksnap]

A little common sense go a long way. No need to reinvent the wheel.

[Topspinmo]

A little common sense go a long way. No need to reinvent the wheel.


Not on MMP it don’t…:thumbup:

[Topspinmo]

Leaving aside egos and equipment sizes, I believe what should happen is:
- Cart has enough situational awareness to see what is happening and waits to pass the bicycle.
- Bicycle moves towards the center of the MMP (their left) to give space to the Ped. No need for the bicycle to cross the center line unless there is insufficient space to avoid hitting the Ped
- Pedestrian moves to the edge of the path (their left) to give space to the bicycle. No need to step into the grass

There may be another cart coming from behind the Ped which is why the Ped needs to make some room for the bicycle.

The bicycle may need to cross into the other lane which is why the cart should wait for the bicycle to get beyond the Ped

While this is the logical, courteous, and safe way to manage the situation, it is highly unlikely that all three will actually cooperate.


Some Walkers (two or more abreast) have awful big ego to leave aside. They rarely if ever move over to left falling into single file.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In that case, let me make everyone "aware":

Florida Statute 316.130 sec 4:

(4) "Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction."

MMPs are not highways, or even roadways. They're private non-vehicular multi-modal paths. Diamond lanes on public roads do apply, but the private MMPs that are off of the roads entirely do not.

[golfing eagles]

Last I checked there is no Florida law that states you have to face traffic. As for the rest I can definitely appreciate all the sarcasm in the posts! (by the way you left out the drinking part LOL)

In that case, let me make everyone "aware":

Florida Statute 316.130 sec 4:

(4) "Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction."

MMPs are not highways, or even roadways. They're private non-vehicular multi-modal paths. Diamond lanes on public roads do apply, but the private MMPs that are off of the roads entirely do not.

Do I need to clarify further, or is the sequence of posts sufficient????

[Topspinmo]

MMPs are not highways, or even roadways. They're private non-vehicular multi-modal paths. Diamond lanes on public roads do apply, but the private MMPs that are off of the roads entirely do not.


Correct, so there are NO rules to follow why it a mess.:a040: some do what they want cuss there no rules of Road sense even when they drive/walk/ bike on road. :coolsmiley:

[Topspinmo]

MMPs are not highways, or even roadways. They're private non-vehicular multi-modal paths. Diamond lanes on public roads do apply, but the private MMPs that are off of the roads entirely do not.


O wait, I did find rules on path. MMP maybe privately owned but public can use.


Paths and multi-use trails accommodate various modes of transportation, each with its own set of rules and etiquette to ensure the safety and enjoyment of all users.
Here's a breakdown of the general rules:
Sharing the Path:
Keep Right, Pass Left: Slower traffic should keep to the right side of the path, while faster traffic should pass on the left.
Announce Your Presence: When approaching other users from behind, especially when passing, it's courteous to give an audible signal with your voice or a bell to avoid startling them and let them know you intend to pass.
Give Space When Passing: When passing, leave a comfortable amount of space (several feet) between yourself and the person you're passing.
Be Aware of Your Surroundings: Pay attention to other users and be prepared to adjust your speed or yield as needed.
Yielding:
"Wheels Yield to Heels": A general rule of thumb is that bicycles and other wheeled users should yield to pedestrians and slower-moving users.
Yield to Pedestrians on Sidewalks: In most places where allowed, bicyclists riding on sidewalks must yield to pedestrians and give an audible signal before passing.
All Users Yield to Horses: If you encounter horseback riders, step to the downhill side of the trail, communicate with the rider, and allow the horse to pass safely.
Downhill Traffic Yields to Uphill Traffic: When encountering other users on inclines, downhill traffic should yield to uphill traffic.
Yield to Emergency Vehicles: All trail users must yield to emergency vehicles.
Specific Rules for Different Modes:
Bicyclists:
Obey Traffic Laws: Bicyclists generally have the same rights and responsibilities as motorists on the roadway, except in specific cases like riding on sidewalks.
Use Bike Lanes When Available: In Florida, bicyclists are required to use designated bike lanes when available and when traveling slower than the normal speed of traffic.
Ride to the Right: When no bike lane is available, ride as close as practicable to the right-hand edge of the roadway or path.
Signal Turns and Stops: Use hand signals to indicate turns and stops to other users.
Don't Ride Abreast (with exceptions): Bicyclists on the road or in bike lanes generally should not ride more than two abreast, and single file when impeding traffic, but bike paths may allow more abreast riding.
Pedestrians:
Use Sidewalks When Provided: Walk on sidewalks when they are available.
Walk Facing Traffic (When no sidewalk): If there's no sidewalk, walk on the left side of the road, facing oncoming traffic.
Obey Traffic Signals and Crosswalks: Follow traffic signals at intersections and use crosswalks for crossing roads.
Don't Enter Road Suddenly: Do not step or run into the path of a vehicle suddenly, making it impossible for the driver to yield.
Electric Scooters:
Check Local Regulations: The legality and rules for electric scooters on paths vary by location, so it's important to consult local regulations.
Yield to Pedestrians: Always yield to pedestrians and give them plenty of space, especially on sidewalks or shared paths.
Consider Bike Lanes or Roads: Bike lanes or roads may be safer alternatives to sidewalks depending on local regulations and traffic conditions.
Animals:
Obey Leash Rules: Follow leash rules specified for the area.
Clean Up After Pets: Always clean up after your pet.
Respect Wildlife: Be mindful of wildlife and avoid disturbing them.
Know Where Dogs Are Permitted: Only bring dogs to designated dog-friendly areas.
Important Notes:
These are general guidelines, and specific rules may vary depending on the location and type of path (e.g., paved multi-use path, unpaved trail, etc.).
It's always recommended to check with local authorities or trail management for specific rules and regulations.
Safety is paramount for all users. Always be aware of your surroundings and be courteous to others to ensure a safe and enjoyable experience for everyone

[Kelevision]

Pedestrians are not allowed in RABs as far as I know.

There are lots of MMP roundabouts.

[gorillarick]

"If a golf cart is behind me, approaching the back of my bike and about to pass me, and I'm about to approach a pedestrian who is facing me and coming toward the front of my bike, WHO yields for whom? "

You should completely leave your lane to pass. Doesn't matter where the bike is in the lane (and it is stupid for bikes to hug the right side, you have a right to the entire lane).

Legal Answer: If you cannot safety pass, like a pedestrian is coming, THEN DON'T PASS. Common sense, courtesy, and the law.
btw: Florida LAW: Don't come within 3 feet of a pedestrian or cyclist. (some states it is 5 and 6 feet - should be here also)

[Bill14564]

"If a golf cart is behind me, approaching the back of my bike and about to pass me, and I'm about to approach a pedestrian who is facing me and coming toward the front of my bike, WHO yields for whom? "

You should completely leave your lane to pass. Doesn't matter where the bike is in the lane (and it is stupid for bikes to hug the right side, you have a right to the entire lane).

Legal Answer: If you cannot safety pass, like a pedestrian is coming, THEN DON'T PASS. Common sense, courtesy, and the law.
btw: Florida LAW: Don't come within 3 feet of a pedestrian or cyclist. (some states it is 5 and 6 feet - should be here also)

Which Florida statute requires 3 feet for a pedestrian?

[ElDiabloJoe]

Which Florida statute requires 3 feet for a pedestrian?

I've heard of the 3-Feet For Safety campaign, and various states (including Florida, see link below) but only as it applies to bicycles and cars. I've not heard it was a law nor for intended for peds.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.083.html)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Last I checked there is no Florida law that states you have to face traffic. As for the rest I can definitely appreciate all the sarcasm in the posts! (by the way you left out the drinking part LOL)

In that case, let me make everyone "aware":

Florida Statute 316.130 sec 4:

(4) "Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction."

MMPs are not highways, or even roadways. They're private non-vehicular multi-modal paths. Diamond lanes on public roads do apply, but the private MMPs that are off of the roads entirely do not.

Do I need to clarify further, or is the sequence of posts sufficient????

First of all, THANK YOU for taking time to use the multi-quote feature, AND using it correctly. Broken quotes, copy/pasta, and responses to unknown posts, bug the heck out of me. So thank you.

Second - I was responding with respect given to the topic of the thread, which is pedestrians on MMPs. Unless otherwise specified, I assumed people were responding in kind.

As such - there is no Florida state law requiring pedestrians to face traffic on a privately owned MMP.

[Bill14564]

First of all, THANK YOU for taking time to use the multi-quote feature, AND using it correctly. Broken quotes, copy/pasta, and responses to unknown posts, bug the heck out of me. So thank you.

Second - I was responding with respect given to the topic of the thread, which is pedestrians on MMPs. Unless otherwise specified, I assumed people were responding in kind.

As such - there is no Florida state law requiring pedestrians to face traffic on a privately owned MMP.

There are likely very few Florida laws that apply to a privately owned MMP. Another of those laws that DOES NOT apply would be the law that requires driving on the right-hand side of the road. It applies to public highways but not private MMPs yet I see no one arguing that since the law does not apply then they should drive on the left.

Perhaps in the case of Peds on MMPs the best and safest course of action would be to recognize that the MMP carries traffic and risks similar to highways so they should be approached in a similar manner. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's best to approach it as you would a duck until there is a reason not to.

Walk with traffic on the MMP if you insist, there is no law against it. Drive on the left on the MMP if you insist, there is no law against it. But at least acknowledge that you are going against common practices and putting yourself and others at risk.

[golfing eagles]

First of all, THANK YOU for taking time to use the multi-quote feature, AND using it correctly. Broken quotes, copy/pasta, and responses to unknown posts, bug the heck out of me. So thank you.

Second - I was responding with respect given to the topic of the thread, which is pedestrians on MMPs. Unless otherwise specified, I assumed people were responding in kind.

As such - there is no Florida state law requiring pedestrians to face traffic on a privately owned MMP.

That is correct. I was responding to a statement that there was no law requiring pedestrians to walk facing "traffic", I was not referring to MMPs

[JMintzer]

All I see on this thread are the "usual suspects" flexing their limited knowledge and using Google searches in failed attempts to "be right"...

Same as it ever was...

[Topspinmo]

All I see on this thread are the "usual suspects" flexing their limited knowledge and using Google searches in failed attempts to "be right"...

Same as it ever was...

Consensus is there NO right or wrong on MMP. Do what we want, even walk backwards or if from England drive on left. :shrug:

[Ruger2506]

Sums it up

[ElDiabloJoe]

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