Armed man causes panic during attempted carjackings in The Villages

[The Gazette]

Deputies arrested an armed man accused of threatening multiple Villagers during attempted carjackings on Wednesday night. The Sumter County Sheriff’s Office received multiple 911 calls reporting an armed man attempting to enter vehicles at the Walgreens and nearby at the Colony Cottage Recreation Center on Colony Boulevard around 8:15 p.m. Wednesday night.* When deputies arrived,

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[Michael G.]

This guy looks like any father would dream to have a son-in-law look like this. ������

[Taltarzac725]

I am very surprised he made it out alive doing those crimes.

[Aces4]

Those crimes will probably net him a month in jail and parole. The ole gray mare (The Villages) ain't what she used to be. :(

[BillyGrown]

It pays to carry a loaded gun. Criminals are everywhere and just as evident they prowl in the Villages too.

[CarlR33]

It pays to carry a loaded gun. Criminals are everywhere and just as evident they prowl in the Villages too.Right, and hopefully with the right training you don’t shoot your foot or another Villager instead of the perp.

[Babbs1957]

It pays to carry a loaded gun. Criminals are everywhere and just as evident they prowl in the Villages too.


Agree.

[Bill14564]

It pays to carry a loaded gun. Criminals are everywhere and just as evident they prowl in the Villages too.

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

[jimhoward]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

Me too.

[Aces4]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;2455476]I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal "with a loaded gun"?
I added with the loaded gun because the felon was carrying a gun. I wouldn't want either but being shot accidently by a Villager protecting himself or herself is preferable than some d*mn felon shooting me.

[Normal]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;2455476]I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal "with a loaded gun"?
I added with the loaded gun because the felon was carrying a gun. I wouldn't want either but being shot accidently by a Villager protecting himself or herself is preferable than some d*mn felon shooting me.

I totally agree. I would much rather be an accidental casualty than the victim of predetermined nefarious intentions. There are already a lot of Villagers carrying guns, it makes the place safer.

[defrey12]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

👍👍👍

[SaucyJim]

Right, and hopefully with the right training you don’t shoot your foot or another Villager instead of the perp.

More likely I’d shoot the perp while protecting your unarmed ass. I’ll spend the night getting lawyered up and processed and you’ll go home to your comfy couch and watch TV shows about events like the one you survived thanks to me.

[Retiredsteve]

Right, and hopefully with the right training you don’t shoot your foot or another Villager instead of the perp. Let them go, it's their last vestige of manhood they have

[SaucyJim]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

Your worries are misplaced. There are many of us around you exercising our rights to conceal carry all the time. Your ignorance is embarrassing you. But I forgive you, for you know not what you do.

[thevillages2013]

More likely I’d shoot the perp while protecting your unarmed ass. I’ll spend the night getting lawyered up and processed and you’ll go home to your comfy couch and watch TV shows about events like the one you survived thanks to me.

Saucy but true, Saucy!

[Taltarzac725]

Your worries are misplaced. There are many of us around you exercising our rights to conceal carry all the time. Your ignorance is embarrassing you. But I forgive you, for you know not what you do.

But there are some rather inebriated Villagers as well as hotheads full of adrenaline along with men and women with Alzheimer's or some other kind of dementia with weapons that can kill another person in seconds. It only takes there being one of these rather than a well trained and very level headed concealed gun carrier for there to be a tragedy. I also wonder about the aim of the inebriated.


I would rather the police handle these things.

[BlackHarley]

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!

[NoMo50]

Those crimes will probably net him a month in jail and parole. The ole gray mare (The Villages) ain't what she used to be. :(

Wrong answer, and this ain't the criminal coddling environs of some states. In Florida, the minimum sentence for discharging a firearm during a carjacking is 20 years. Add to that kidnapping, and the fact the perp is a convicted felony, and the sentence could very well be life.

[Taltarzac725]

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!

And so are bullets coming out of a weapon of a drunk who cannot shoot straight.

The Old West towns had rules about guns in towns for good reasons. And these were usually men in the prime of their live blowing off steam.

I have no problem with a professionally trained concealed gun carrier. But there probably fewer of these out there than a person who is itching to pull a gun.

[NoMo50]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

Each year, the Sumter County Sheriff holds HR-218 qualifications for retired law enforcement officers. This is a federal statute that allows retired LE to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the US, it's territories, or possessions. Annual qualification is required to maintain certification. This year, the Sheriff's Department qualified over 600 retired LE under the statute.

In this life, there are wolves, there are sheep, and there are sheepdogs. I know which tribe I belong to.

[Marmaduke]

Those crimes will probably net him a month in jail and parole. The ole gray mare (The Villages) ain't what she used to be. :(
Many Villagers are still licenced and HIGHLY competant concealed carry gun owners, believe me.

This lifelong fumbling felon is lucky to be alive.

Furthermore, the follow-up story with the other local 'news' source, (and I use that term loosely) is utterly ridiculous, with a pretty clear portrayal of events, but a series of fragmented, incomplete writing leaving the readers left dangling.

ie., he held a gun to a man's head and moved him from the back to the front of the store...he grabbed an employee by the arm as he moved past her.

Then what?
Obviously, he must've decided to release them as he got to the front door.

[Taltarzac725]

Many Villagers are still licenced and HIGHLY competant concealed carry gun owners, believe me.

This lifelong fumbling felon is lucky to be alive.

Furthermore, the follow-up story with the other local 'news' source, (and I use that term loosely) is utterly ridiculous, with a pretty clear portrayal of events, but a series of fragmented, incomplete writing leaving the readers left dangling.

ie., he held a gun to a man's head and moved him from the back to the front of the store...he grabbed an employee by the arm as he moved past her.

Then what?
Obviously, he must've decided to release them as he got to the front door.

And it is a lottery if one of these will be around rather than a drunk with a pistol he should never have left the house with .

[bark4me]

Deputies arrested an armed man accused of threatening multiple Villagers during attempted carjackings on Wednesday night. The Sumter County Sheriff’s Office received multiple 911 calls reporting an armed man attempting to enter vehicles at the Walgreens and nearby at the Colony Cottage Recreation Center on Colony Boulevard around 8:15 p.m. Wednesday night.* When deputies arrived,

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To dispel many of you who know not what you say..... Many of those who carry concealed routinely practice and train. Just stop by Shooters World and see how busy their ranges are. With comments like yours, don't be upset if the person who carrys only defends their life and not yours!

[Beyond The Wall]

Due to the high price of ammo, no warning shots fired.
Always carry, have rear doors on auto lock. Also carry to squares.

Also keep building low price apartments surrounding The Villages. Brings in a nice class of people.

The Villages has pretty much escaped the rest of “ The world’s gone crazy” syndrome . There have been incidents but it’s a big, and getting bigger, place.

[Babbs1957]

The house with the burglar alarm signs and cameras cause the criminal to move on to those houses without.

The idea behind CCW is the similar to the idea of having police on every corner. A city that supports their police and their judicial system sends a message to criminals that it's better to move on to another location to create your crimes.

A state that supports CCW sends the message to criminals that it's best not to come here and commit your crimes. Sure there will always be criminals, but pure animals would come into this country and go to those locations where they had little to no fear of arrest or life stopping arrest.

I'm all for sending the message that this area and Florida is against crime. This way the animals of the world will go to other states where they can be supported.

[RoseyRed]

Deputies arrested an armed man accused of threatening multiple Villagers during attempted carjackings on Wednesday night. The Sumter County Sheriff’s Office received multiple 911 calls reporting an armed man attempting to enter vehicles at the Walgreens and nearby at the Colony Cottage Recreation Center on Colony Boulevard around 8:15 p.m. Wednesday night.* When deputies arrived,

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Wow! Considering all the Vets in TV I am surprised he did not meet up with his demise!

[New Englander]

Wrong answer, and this ain't the criminal coddling environs of some states. In Florida, the minimum sentence for discharging a firearm during a carjacking is 20 years. Add to that kidnapping, and the fact the perp is a convicted felony, and the sentence could very well be life.

I hope so.

[ThirdOfFive]

The house with the burglar alarm signs and cameras cause the criminal to move on to those houses without.

The idea behind CCW is the similar to the idea of having police on every corner. A city that supports their police and their judicial system sends a message to criminals that it's better to move on to another location to create your crimes.

A state that supports CCW sends the message to criminals that it's best not to come here and commit your crimes. Sure there will always be criminals, but pure animals would come into this country and go to those locations where they had little to no fear of arrest or life stopping arrest.

I'm all for sending the message that this area and Florida is against crime. This way the animals of the world will go to other states where they can be supported.

True.

Back in MN when permit-to-carry went into effect, a lot of anti-gun business people (convenience stores, liquor stores, gas stations, etc.) put those "No Guns Allowed On These Premises" signs in their windows. The signs came down right quick when it became apparent that the places with the signs were being hit by the criminals far more often than places with no signs.

Criminals as a group may not be the sharpest knives on the tree, but they know enough not to unduly risk their posteriors during the commission of a crime.

[Mrfriendly]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

With majority of residents being retired police, military and fire veterans I’m not worried.

[dougjb]

The Villages: A Hot Bed of Crime!

Time to call in the National Guard! Let's see those armored troop carriers at every one of our roundabouts!

[Taltarzac725]

The Villages: A Hot Bed of Crime!

Time to call in the National Guard! Let's see those armored troop carriers at every one of our roundabouts!

Who pays for them? The Villagers?

[MrFlorida]

I can't believe how many posters would rather be a victim than defend themselves.

[gorillarick]

"Held without bail, how unfair, call the Civil Liberties Union."

said no one that was threatened by this criminal

[Taltarzac725]

I can't believe how many posters would rather be a victim than defend themselves.

You are not a victim if you do not need to carry a weapon to go to the Squares or the movies or Walmart.

[ElDiabloJoe]

And so are bullets coming out of a weapon of a drunk who cannot shoot straight.

The Old West towns had rules about guns in towns for good reasons. And these were usually men in the prime of their live blowing off steam.

I have no problem with a professionally trained concealed gun carrier. But there probably fewer of these out there than a person who is itching to pull a gun.
I suspect there are A LOT of retired cops here in The Villages, more so than you probably think. Most will not tell you what they did for a living and have a cover-occupation they tell people.

[ThirdOfFive]

I can't believe how many posters would rather be a victim than defend themselves.
It is like any other hot-button issue, I suppose. Emotion gets in the way of reason.

Funny how it can manifest itself. My wife threw a surprise birthday party for me about a year before retirement. People attending ran the gamut: A British couple, my son, some co-workers, a couple of tennis-playing buddies, the director of the local mental health facility, etc. One of the gifts I got was from my son: a Browning B-92 lever action carbine in .357 Magnum, still in the original box and in mint condition! They were collectors' items even then and I verified that mine was manufactured in 1982, the first year they made them in that caliber. After unwrapping it I cleared it and handed it around so people could see it close-up. When it got to the mental health facility director she handled it as if it were red hot, with an expression on her face that was frozen in a grimace! However when Will (the Brit guy) got it he threw it up to his shoulder and cycled the action several times.

Guns are a hot-button issue clouded by emotion. If we're taught to fear them, no amount of information or reason will allay that fear.

[kingofbeer]

It pays to carry a loaded gun. Criminals are everywhere and just as evident they prowl in the Villages too.
Sure. He would have shot anyone who approached him with a gun. He is an ex-felon.

[kingofbeer]

Those crimes will probably net him a month in jail and parole. The ole gray mare (The Villages) ain't what she used to be. :(
He will be convicted of multiple offenses and will never get out. Florida is very harsh on repeat offenders.

[kingofbeer]

More likely I’d shoot the perp while protecting your unarmed ass. I’ll spend the night getting lawyered up and processed and you’ll go home to your comfy couch and watch TV shows about events like the one you survived thanks to me.
maybe the perp will you shoot you first.

[bopat]

I just want to know where I can get a haircut like that?

[kingofbeer]

I can't believe how many posters would rather be a victim than defend themselves.
Best thing to do in this situation, is run and hide.

[ElDiabloJoe]

It is like any other hot-button issue, I suppose. Emotion gets in the way of reason.

Funny how it can manifest itself. My wife threw a surprise birthday party for me about a year before retirement. People attending ran the gamut: A British couple, my son, some co-workers, a couple of tennis-playing buddies, the director of the local mental health facility, etc. One of the gifts I got was from my son: a Browning B-92 lever action carbine in .357 Magnum, still in the original box and in mint condition! They were collectors' items even then and I verified that mine was manufactured in 1982, the first year they made them in that caliber. After unwrapping it I cleared it and handed it around so people could see it close-up. When it got to the mental health facility director she handled it as if it were red hot, with an expression on her face that was frozen in a grimace! However when Will (the Brit guy) got it he threw it up to his shoulder and cycled the action several times.

Guns are a hot-button issue clouded by emotion. If we're taught to fear them, no amount of information or reason will allay that fear.
Wow! Not too many rifles chambered in .357. I used to have one, a Marlin 1894C.
As for your last sentence, I liken fear of guns to racism. Ignorance breeds fear.

[Normal]

Best thing to do in this situation, is run and hide.

The lady in the Cadillac did just that and the perp just missed her. The perp fired into her car at Colony Plaza but didn’t lead his shot so it went through the back seat door and into the dash.

[Taltarzac725]

The lady in the Cadillac did just that and the perp just missed her. The perp fired into her car at Colony Plaza but didn’t lead his shot so it went through the back seat door and into the dash.

From the short article about this incident in today's Local Section of The Villages Daily Sun this guy was pointing his gun at various people. The others there did not challenge the man which sounds wise given the guy might have pulled the trigger if a bystander also pulled a gun.


If a guy goes into the Old Mill Playhouse with a long rifle I would hope a Good Samaritan would put well placed shot into him .


Facts matter. Now if they are filming a commercial at the Old Mill Playhouse and have signs announcing that then I would think twice before shooting the actor with the long gun.

[Rickmartin]

CCW IS is a deterent . When people are aware that CCW exist they think twice about committing a crime. TV also has a very Large amount of retired Veterans. Contrare to some peoples belief,not all Villagers are Drunks!The house with the burglar alarm signs and cameras cause the criminal to move on to those houses without.

The idea behind CCW is the similar to the idea of having police on every corner. A city that supports their police and their judicial system sends a message to criminals that it's better to move on to another location to create your crimes.

A state that supports CCW sends the message to criminals that it's best not to come here and commit your crimes. Sure there will always be criminals, but pure animals would come into this country and go to those locations where they had little to no fear of arrest or life stopping arrest.

I'm all for sending the message that this area and Florida is against crime. This way the animals of the world will go to other states where they can be supported.

[Taltarzac725]

CCW IS is a deterent . When people are aware that CCW exist they think twice about committing a crime. TV also has a very Large amount of retired Veterans. Contrare to some peoples belief,not all Villagers are Drunks!

Some are . And some have dementia or Alzheimer's.

[coleprice]

Once again, it looks like law enforcement did a good job stopping and arresting a really bad person before he killed someone. But, for so many people to have been assaulted, it must have taken a little time to catch up with and arrest the shooter. It's a miracle that nobody was wounded or killed . . . after all, he shot into an occupied vehicle. Florida's law enforcement is wonderful, especially when compared to California, the state from which I moved. Also, Florida's Constitutional Carry and Stand Your Ground laws empower law abiding citizens to stop violent offenders like this shooter. If an armed citizen were at the scene they could have disarmed the suspect or shot him if he resisted to ensure that innocent people aren't wounded or killed.

[kingofbeer]

The lady in the Cadillac did just that and the perp just missed her. The perp fired into her car at Colony Plaza but didn’t lead his shot so it went through the back seat door and into the dash.
She is alive, so it worked. No reason to confront a man with a gun.

[kingofbeer]

Once again, it looks like law enforcement did a good job stopping and arresting a really bad person before he killed someone. But, for so many people to have been assaulted, it must have taken a little time to catch up with and arrest the shooter. It's a miracle that nobody was wounded or killed . . . after all, he shot into an occupied vehicle. Florida's law enforcement is wonderful, especially when compared to California, the state from which I moved. Also, Florida's Constitutional Carry and Stand Your Ground laws empower law abiding citizens to stop violent offenders like this shooter. If an armed citizen were at the scene they could have disarmed the suspect or shot him if he resisted to ensure that innocent people aren't wounded or killed.
I am sure the police in California or any other state would have handled this situation in the same manner. I wonder how many minutes it took for the police to arrive in this incident.

[Taltarzac725]

I am sure the police in California or any other state would have handled this situation in the same manner. I wonder how many minutes it took for the police to arrive in this incident.

I did not see anything about the timeline in the Villages Daily Sun coverage today.

I always worry about innocent bystanders when wanna-be Rambos get involved.

[kingofbeer]

Wow! Not too many rifles chambered in .357. I used to have one, a Marlin 1894C.
As for your last sentence, I liken fear of guns to racism. Ignorance breeds fear.
Accidents never happen around guns. Have you heard of Terry Kath ?
The tragic death of Chicago’s Terry Kath (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/tragic-death-of-chicagos-terry-kath/)

[Heytubes]

Yup. Let the police handle these events? Let’s see…..it takes several minutes for the police to arrive. Better to have someone with a weapon on site instantly verses letting the perp kill without interference until the police arrive after a number of victims are dead. Guess some folks never heard about the Lum’s massacre. Had the daughter ignored the NO GUNS ALLOWED sign her parents and the other victims would still be alive.

[kingofbeer]

Yup. Let the police handle these events? Let’s see…..it takes several minutes for the police to arrive. Better to have someone with a weapon on site instantly verses letting the perp kill without interference until the police arrive after a number of victims are dead. Guess some folks never heard about the Lum’s massacre. Had the daughter ignored the NO GUNS ALLOWED sign her parents and the other victims would still be alive.
Never heard of it. I guess she ignored the sign.

[justjim]

Sounds like a “nut case”. Unfortunately, not enough is being spent on mental health when the State has a surplus of funds. Just my opinion.

[Kenswing]

And so are bullets coming out of a weapon of a drunk who cannot shoot straight.

The Old West towns had rules about guns in towns for good reasons. And these were usually men in the prime of their live blowing off steam.

I have no problem with a professionally trained concealed gun carrier. But there probably fewer of these out there than a person who is itching to pull a gun.

Come on Tal, you know you want me by your side if the doo doo hits the fan. I don't drink and I'm beyond well trained.

[Taltarzac725]

Come on Tal, you know you want me by your side if the doo doo hits the fan. I don't drink and I'm beyond well trained.

I would be very privileged by your presence.

[jimmy o]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.
WHAT! Listen to yourself. A villager carrying a loaded gun or a criminal? The villager carrying the gun is carrying for protection both his and believe it or not, yours too. However the criminal carrying a loaded gun is looking to perform a crime and willing to shoot you to do it. But you prefer the criminal having the gun, yikes!

[Pennyt]

Your worries are misplaced. There are many of us around you exercising our rights to conceal carry all the time. Your ignorance is embarrassing you. But I forgive you, for you know not what you do.

Sorry, but having elderly people and many on a variety of drugs, carrying concealed weapons doesn't make me feel safer. Shaking hands, off balance, not familiar with gun operation, sure that sounds safe. (just because you can buy a gun doesn't mean you know how to use it) I heard from a security policeman once that the worst thing that can happen is for people in a group to be armed when the police show up. Consider that the police have no idea who the "criminal" is among a bunch of people holding weapons. So, you could be shot yourself. There are most likely many more elderly people holding weapons in The Villages than there are criminals. Now that's scary!

[Taltarzac725]

WHAT! Listen to yourself. A villager carrying a loaded gun or a criminal? The villager carrying the gun is carrying for protection both his and believe it or not, yours too. However the criminal carrying a loaded gun is looking to perform a crime and willing to shoot you to do it. But you prefer the criminal having the gun, yikes!

He or she did not seem to say that. We need to respect the police and count on them to do their jobs well. If a situation arises in which you can save lives by taking one then more power to you. But I have lived in the Villages for more than twenty years and those have never happened that I can recall. There was a mess last year maybe but I am still very unclear about what happened on that night. There have been instances of SWAT being called because a Villager or a relative or in law of some kind had a mental breakdown. Guy in his house barricading himself with his guns.


The Villages does seem safe but it seems to be more related to all the guns in homes and security measures here in the Villages. Not so much concealed carrying.

[Aces4]

WHAT! Listen to yourself. A villager carrying a loaded gun or a criminal? The villager carrying the gun is carrying for protection both his and believe it or not, yours too. However the criminal carrying a loaded gun is looking to perform a crime and willing to shoot you to do it. But you prefer the criminal having the gun, yikes!

Haven't you heard? The Villages has several shootings daily caused by Villagers just shooting off their guns because they are older and senile and don't know how to carry a weapon. The newspaper is filled with information about the accidental shootings of others daily, it's a mess. NOT! :rant-rave: The nit wits who know nothing about gun safety, how to handle, aim, and carry a gun are telling everyone that only the criminals should carry one. The anti-ccw fans, obviously, were not in the vehicle in to which a live round was shot.

[Bill14564]

WHAT! Listen to yourself. A villager carrying a loaded gun or a criminal? The villager carrying the gun is carrying for protection both his and believe it or not, yours too. However the criminal carrying a loaded gun is looking to perform a crime and willing to shoot you to do it. But you prefer the criminal having the gun, yikes!

I prefer no one be carrying a gun. At home for protection is one thing, walking around the squares or a rec center is something else.

Mistakes happen, even well-intentioned mistakes. I don't want to be a victim of one of those mistakes.

Based on the posts of this thread, I am far less likely to encounter a prowling criminal than a gun-carrying Villager.

[Taltarzac725]

I prefer no one be carrying a gun. At home for protection is one thing, walking around the squares or a rec center is something else.

Mistakes happen, even well-intentioned mistakes. I don't want to be a victim of one of those mistakes.

Based on the posts of this thread, I am far less likely to encounter a prowling criminal than a gun-carrying Villager.

I recall some of the dog park patrons were armed. Still not sure why. This was at several dog parks here in the Villages.


Not sure if this person packed heat at the dog park but she kept a gun on her bedside table and heard a noise by her closet and promptly shot the vacuum to death.

[jimhoward]

I am not sure I have ever seen an open carry firearm in the villages. If it were concealed carry, I guess I wouldn't know. Is it common?

[Aces4]

I prefer no one be carrying a gun. At home for protection is one thing, walking around the squares or a rec center is something else.

Mistakes happen, even well-intentioned mistakes. I don't want to be a victim of one of those mistakes.

Based on the posts of this thread, I am far less likely to encounter a prowling criminal than a gun-carrying Villager.

Then perhaps one would be better off staying home than going out if they are concerned.

[Aces4]

I recall some of the dog park patrons were armed. Still not sure why. This was at several dog parks here in the Villages.


Not sure if this person packed heat at the dog park but she kept a gun on her bedside table and heard a noise by her closet and promptly shot the vacuum to death.

So no one was injured, right?

[Normal]

Haven't you heard? The Villages has several shootings daily caused by Villagers just shooting off their guns because they are older and senile and don't know how to carry a weapon. The newspaper is filled with information about the accidental shootings of others daily, it's a mess. NOT! :rant-rave: The nit wits who know nothing about gun safety, how to handle, aim, and carry a gun are telling everyone that only the criminals should carry one. The anti-ccw fans, obviously, were not in the vehicle in to which a live round was shot.

I haven’t read of even one in the Villages Daily Sun. If found, please post…

[retiredguy123]

I am not sure I have ever seen an open carry firearm in the villages. If it were concealed carry, I guess I wouldn't know. Is it common?
Most likely, concealed carry is very common and it is legal. But, I think it is illegal for most people to carry a firearm that can be seen. That is probably why you have never seen it.

[La lamy]

Crazy scary. Such a shame there’s such disturbed people in the world. I wish everyone a safe and healthy day!!!

[Pugchief]

I prefer no one be carrying a gun. At home for protection is one thing, walking around the squares or a rec center is something else.



I would prefer no one be carrying a gun either. But since criminals don't follow rules or the law, you're better off protecting yourself than not.

In spite of some of the ridiculous comments on this thread, not everyone in TV is a demented 90 year old with shaky hands and poor eyesight. Certainly, those few should not carry. But well trained, responsible gun owners is another story.

[ThirdOfFive]

Most likely, concealed carry is very common and it is legal. But, I think it is illegal for most people to carry a firearm that can be seen. That is probably why you have never seen it.
It is. But the law addresses only INTENTIONALLY showing the firearm or carrying it in a manner where it can easily be seen. Inadvertently revealing it is not a crime and probably happens with some regularity.

[Taltarzac725]

It is. But the law addresses only INTENTIONALLY showing the firearm or carrying it in a manner where it can easily be seen. Inadvertently revealing it is not a crime and probably happens with some regularity.

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This may help.

[jimhoward]

Most likely, concealed carry is very common and it is legal. But, I think it is illegal for most people to carry a firearm that can be seen. That is probably why you have never seen it.

Got it. That is different from my prior state on TN where permit less open carry is permitted except in the airport.

[MrFlorida]

She is alive, so it worked. No reason to confront a man with a gun.

Nothing worked, it was just dumb luck that he missed.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Sounds like a “nut case”. Unfortunately, not enough is being spent on mental health when the State has a surplus of funds. Just my opinion.
Mental health is different from insanity, Not talking here about depression, gender dysmorphia, people wanting to be stuffed animals, whatever. True psychotic insanity is like pedophilia. Not curable in this lifetime and pose nothing but danger to others.

[ThirdOfFive]

Got it. That is different from my prior state on TN where permit less open carry is permitted except in the airport.
States are all over the board on open carry vs. concealed carry. Some allow open constitutional carry. Others allow open carry only if the gun is unloaded. There also differences state to state, in some a permit is needed to open carry, in others, not. It is a good argument for a nationwide carry law, which some favor.

Minnesota, the state where I come from, is unbelievably over-controlling on just about every thing you can think of, except how to carry a gun. The permit issued by the state, subject to passing the class and background check, is "permit to carry", and how you carry is up to you. Many carry openly. It is even legal there to carry a rifle openly in public if you have a carry permit, which I understand has happened from time to time. I've attended Second Amendment rallies on the State Capitol grounds in St. Paul where most of the attendees were carrying, many openly.

Interesting though: only four states (California, Illinois, New York and Florida, and D.C. prohibit open carry.

As far as I'm concerned, the only person that needs to know that I am carrying is myself. Why precipitate trouble?

[MrFlorida]

You are not a victim if you do not need to carry a weapon to go to the Squares or the movies or Walmart.

Huh ???

[Blueblaze]

This thread and all of the news articles I have read would be much more interesting if they told us how this thug was apprehended, and why he didn't simply get into the car he shot into and drive away. Did he just hang around waving his gun until a cop showed up? The time I encountered a burglar in my living room, not 5 blocks from there, I couldn't even get the Sumter Sheriff department to roll a squad car, and I was force to eject them myself.

How was the thug detained until the cops arrived? Did a gun-toting villager hold him?

[Normal]

To avoid a car jacking in one of the shopping plazas, do the following:

Take extra care when parking in commercial areas. According to the National Crime Victimization survey, 25% of all carjackings happen in parking lots, parking garages or near commercial areas. Park in a spot close to the building’s main entrance and under a lot of light,[19] avoiding areas that are visually obstructed by walls or large plants.[20] Don’t sit in the car and go through receipts or have a conversation on the phone or with your child in the backseat. Get in, lock the doors and go.
Don’t put your seatbelt on while pulling out of a space. If something happens, you may need to get out of your car quickly. Instead, belt yourself as soon as you are out of the space and ready to drive.
In parking garages, park close to the exit and back into the space. It’s easier to drive forwards than backwards in an emergency.

Taken from 3 Ways to Avoid Being Carjacked - wikiHow (https://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Being-Carjacked)

[Taltarzac725]

This thread and all of the news articles I have read would be much more interesting if they told us how this thug was apprehended, and why he didn't simply get into the car he shot into and drive away. Did he just hang around waving his gun until a cop showed up? The time I encountered a burglar in my living room, not 5 blocks from there, I couldn't even get the Sumter Sheriff department to roll a squad car, and I was force to eject them myself.

How was the thug detained until the cops arrived? Did a gun-toting villager hold him?

The cops came after several 911 calls. I assume he was on foot. According to the August 22, 2025 article in the Local section of The Villages Daily Sun. D4. Public Safety Section. It did not really say how he surrended.

[JMintzer]

You are not a victim if you do not need to carry a weapon to go to the Squares or the movies or Walmart.

I'm sure the unarmed people at Colony Plaza felt the same way...

[JMintzer]

Some are . And some have dementia or Alzheimer's.

I'm beginning to think the same of some of these posters... I'll not say whom I'm talking about, though...

[JMintzer]

Accidents never happen around guns. Have you heard of Terry Kath ?
The tragic death of Chicago’s Terry Kath (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/tragic-death-of-chicagos-terry-kath/)

Wow, a 47 yo example of an idiot playing with a gun?

[JMintzer]

Never heard of it. I guess she ignored the sign.

You guessed wrong...

[JMintzer]

I prefer no one be carrying a gun. At home for protection is one thing, walking around the squares or a rec center is something else.

Mistakes happen, even well-intentioned mistakes. I don't want to be a victim of one of those mistakes.

Based on the posts of this thread, I am far less likely to encounter a prowling criminal than a gun-carrying Villager.

Have you -ever- encountered a "gun carrying villager"?

They are out there. And in higher #s than you might think...

[JMintzer]

I am not sure I have ever seen an open carry firearm in the villages. If it were concealed carry, I guess I wouldn't know. Is it common?

Exactly. You wouldn't know...

And that's the entire point of concealed carry...

[JMintzer]

Most likely, concealed carry is very common and it is legal. But, I think it is illegal for most people to carry a firearm that can be seen. That is probably why you have never seen it.

Correct...

[JMintzer]

I would prefer no one be carrying a gun either. But since criminals don't follow rules or the law, you're better off protecting yourself than not.

In spite of some of the ridiculous comments on this thread, not everyone in TV is a demented 90 year old with shaky hands and poor eyesight. Certainly, those few should not carry. But well trained, responsible gun owners is another story.

There you go again, with you logic and reason...

[Bill14564]

Have you -ever- encountered a "gun carrying villager"?

They are out there. And in higher #s than you might think...

Which is exactly what worries me.

[Aces4]

Which is exactly what worries me.

I've heard the odds of being shot by a Villager carrying a gun if you're not doing a criminal action are the less than those of one's house in The Villages being struck by lightning. So, no worries!:BigApplause:

[Babbs1957]

I am sure the police in California or any other state would have handled this situation in the same manner. I wonder how many minutes it took for the police to arrive in this incident.

Well.........actually in California, the victims would have started chanting against the police and demanding the poor unhinged individual just needs some love. The next day, all the "victims" would have filed complaints against the cops for using handcuffs and pulling their weapons on the armed suspect, oops...pulling their weapons on the armed poor misguided victim of society.

[Taltarzac725]

Well.........actually in California, the victims would have started chanting against the police and demanding the poor unhinged individual just needs some love. The next day, all the "victims" would have filed complaints against the cops for using handcuffs and pulling their weapons on the armed suspect, oops...pulling their weapons on the armed poor misguided victim of society.

I have lived in various cities in California and agree with the poster that wrote what happened in the north part of the Villages would probably have gone down in the same way in California.

[ryoungs]

I have traveled extensively all over the world, often in third world countries, and have never felt the need to carry a gun.

[Aces4]

I have lived in various cities in California and agree with the poster that wrote what happened in the north part of the Villages would probably have gone down in the same way in California.

How long ago was that, 2 or 3 years?

[Aces4]

I have traveled extensively all over the world, often in third world countries, and have never felt the need to carry a gun.

You do you, others feel differently and with the shooting at Colony recently, I'm with them.

[Whatnext]

Amazing that with the high number of armed Villagers, not one was present at the scene, to offer help, or protection.

[westernrider75]

I am not sure I have ever seen an open carry firearm in the villages. If it were concealed carry, I guess I wouldn't know. Is it common?

Open carry is not legal in Florida. I’d be concerned seeing somebody other than law enforcement at the squares open carry!

[Taltarzac725]

Open carry is not legal in Florida. I’d be concerned seeing somebody other than law enforcement at the squares open carry!

Never have seen anyone openly carrying a pistol in Florida nor California except police and armored car people picking up money.

[Cliff Fr]

But there are some rather inebriated Villagers as well as hotheads full of adrenaline along with men and women with Alzheimer's or some other kind of dementia with weapons that can kill another person in seconds. It only takes there being one of these rather than a well trained and very level headed concealed gun carrier for there to be a tragedy. I also wonder about the aim of the inebriated.


I would rather the police handle these things.

The police will almost never be there when the trouble happens

[Worldseries27]

amazing that with the high number of armed villagers, not one was present at the scene, to offer help, or protection.
who says there weren't? The weapon is for self protection. Our laws have made it so. Every gun carrying person knows what's in store for them should they have to use the weapon even in self defense

[SaucyJim]

But there are some rather inebriated Villagers as well as hotheads full of adrenaline along with men and women with Alzheimer's or some other kind of dementia with weapons that can kill another person in seconds. It only takes there being one of these rather than a well trained and very level headed concealed gun carrier for there to be a tragedy. I also wonder about the aim of the inebriated.


I would rather the police handle these things.

Having been robbed at gunpoint twice in my lifetime, I (and the stats) can assure you that the whole thing is usually over before the police arrive. Police make reports. Check the stats for yourself. No one cares about your money or your life more than you.

[SaucyJim]

Best thing to do in this situation, is run and hide.

If you do that, I’ll be behind you all the way. But I’ll be able to shoot back once you’ve been dropped and I’ve got eyes on the perp. Thank you for your sacrifice. lol!!

[SaucyJim]

Sorry, but having elderly people and many on a variety of drugs, carrying concealed weapons doesn't make me feel safer. Shaking hands, off balance, not familiar with gun operation, sure that sounds safe. (just because you can buy a gun doesn't mean you know how to use it) I heard from a security policeman once that the worst thing that can happen is for people in a group to be armed when the police show up. Consider that the police have no idea who the "criminal" is among a bunch of people holding weapons. So, you could be shot yourself. There are most likely many more elderly people holding weapons in The Villages than there are criminals. Now that's scary!

Clearly, you’ve not been trained. As soon as police arrive, you place your gun on the ground (assuming you or another have dropped the perp) and put your hands in the air. You also keep your mouth shut completely until in the presence of your attorney. Yes, you will be processed. It’s the price you pay for defending your fellow citizens.

[Heytubes]

That’s why as a criminal, he would off the open carry fool first.

[Taltarzac725]

That’s why as a criminal, he would off the open carry fool first.

Gunfight at the Viagra Corral.

[Aces4]

Gunfight at the Viagra Corral.

Don't you mean "The Criminal vs the Viagra Corral? I think that indicates that even though men are aging they are still extremely vital, active and to be taken seriously.:boom:

[TroubleMaker!]

Regrettably the perp is still alive. A trained, responsible villager with a gun would have seen that the guy never victimized another person ever again. And it would also send a clear message to any other lowlife to think twice before trying that in our community again.

[Taltarzac725]

Regrettably the perp is still alive. A trained, responsible villager with a gun would have seen that the guy never victimized another person ever again. And it would also send a clear message to any other lowlife to think twice before trying that in our community again.

Someone jacked up on drugs, booze, or whatever is usually not thinking about whom he or she might run into . There have been a number of women making the arrest blog for Sumter and Marion county as well as Lake.

[H-ned]

Your worries are misplaced. There are many of us around you exercising our rights to conceal carry all the time. Your ignorance is embarrassing you. But I forgive you, for you know not what you do.

Yep, thankfully. And I am very thankful we have The Villages Straight Shooters as a supportive, educational, and training focused group - a longtime organized group of responsible folks comprised of lots of retired LE and armed forces personnel.

[H-ned]

who says there weren't? The weapon is for self protection. Our laws have made it so. Every gun carrying person knows what's in store for them should they have to use the weapon even in self defense
Yep. One of the principles in simple terms learned in CCW training is that “after every bullet discharged in self-defense is a lawyer coming back at you.”

[MrFlorida]

I have traveled extensively all over the world, often in third world countries, and have never felt the need to carry a gun.

You don't need one, until you need one.

[kingofbeer]

Well.........actually in California, the victims would have started chanting against the police and demanding the poor unhinged individual just needs some love. The next day, all the "victims" would have filed complaints against the cops for using handcuffs and pulling their weapons on the armed suspect, oops...pulling their weapons on the armed poor misguided victim of society.
California spends more per capita on law enforcement and education than Florida. No one in any state would cheer for the perpetrator.

[kingofbeer]

The cops came after several 911 calls. I assume he was on foot. According to the August 22, 2025 article in the Local section of The Villages Daily Sun. D4. Public Safety Section. It did not really say how he surrended.
I wonder why this event never made the Orlando news channels. It sounded very graphic.

[Teed_Off]

I wonder why this event never made the Orlando news channels. It sounded very graphic.

I saw it on the Orlando NBC channel

[Pugchief]

No one in any state would cheer for the perpetrator.

Huh?

The Daniel Penny case is just one of many that prove you wrong. NYC, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc, have gone off the deep end when it comes to coddling criminals vs coming down hard on people trying to protect themselves and others.

[Aces4]

Someone jacked up on drugs, booze, or whatever is usually not thinking about whom he or she might run into . There have been a number of women making the arrest blog for Sumter and Marion county as well as Lake.

Doesn't speak well for The Villages anymore, does it?

[kingofbeer]

Huh?

The Daniel Penny case is just one of many that prove you wrong. NYC, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, etc, have gone off the deep end when it comes to coddling criminals vs coming down hard on people trying to protect themselves and others.
Oh yeah. That guy that choked a homeless man to death.

[Aces4]

Oh yeah. That guy that choked a homeless man to death.


(You forgot to mention the violent, threatening menace homeless man to people contained in a boxcar type situation where they couldn't run or get away and were in great danger from the homeless man...) I love the "let's kiss the perp and make the man who may have saved many lives" the criminal. Sounds like a cheerleader for the perp remark.

[MorTech]

I am much more worried about a Villager with a loaded gun than a prowling criminal.

Wut?

[Taltarzac725]

Yep, thankfully. And I am very thankful we have The Villages Straight Shooters as a supportive, educational, and training focused group - a longtime organized group of responsible folks comprised of lots of retired LE and armed forces personnel.

Yes. Thanks for their service and their continued commitment to keeping their community safe .


I certainly have no problem with healthy and mentally stable former LEOs protecting Villagers.

[kingofbeer]

Yes. Thanks for their service and their continued commitment to keeping their community safe .


I certainly have no problem with healthy and mentally stable former LEOs protecting Villagers.
That guy that choked a homeless man to death. He choked him for 6 minutes. He could have restrained him and not choked him to death, but he killed him. The man killed did not touch anyone on the train. He was acting erratically. Penny is a murderer and had a slick lawyer who conned the jury and others. The average Fox News viewer is 69 years old.

[Taltarzac725]

That guy that choked a homeless man to death. He choked him for 6 minutes. He could have restrained him and not choked him to death, but he killed him. The man killed did not touch anyone on the train. He was acting erratically. Penny is a murderer and had a slick lawyer who conned the jury and others. The average Fox News viewer is 69 years old.

That incident bothers me quite a bit .

[Aces4]

That guy that choked a homeless man to death. He choked him for 6 minutes. He could have restrained him and not choked him to death, but he killed him. The man killed did not touch anyone on the train. He was acting erratically. Penny is a murderer and had a slick lawyer who conned the jury and others. The average Fox News viewer is 69 years old.

Did you watch the video and how violent the perp was? He wasn't in a group of men, there were women and children present. Sideline experts planning on how others should suffer while they cheer on the perp and second guess the action, which wasn't intended to kill anyone, to quell the violence is evil. It shouldn't make anyone sleepless. Choose injury or murder of the innocent or accidental death to a perp who has a history of violence. No wonder this world is in the state it is.

[roguesearcher]

Yup!!!

[roguesearcher]

The 2nd amendment is a good thing. Adding different mind sets into it is a bad thing. ",,,," happens.

[Aces4]

What is meant by "woke"? The Constitutions of New York and the USA are pretty clear about unalienable rights. The Bible , at least some of "The New Testament", is very clear about the Golden Rule of treating people as you would like to be treated. That includes the homeless and the mentally ill.

The Bible reads nothing about watching a man beat, harm or kill a child and ignoring it, just so you are aware. There were children there and I say build institutions again and house the mentally ill. That's where our money should be going. I believe it's easy to claim pity for the violent, raging criminal until one's own ox is being gored. How would you feel if that man was threatening your parents and you were no where around? Jordan Neely was a ‘frequent flyer’ in the criminal justice system. Jordan Neely had a history of violent attacks on straphangers in New York City before the disturbed man reportedly threatened passengers and Marine vet Daniel Penny put him in a chokehold. The 30-year-old vagrant had been arrested dozens of times – including most recently for vicious assaults on subway riders, court records show. In 2021, Neely socked a 67-year-old woman as she exited the Bowery station in the East Village in Lower Manhattan. The woman sustained a broken nose, a fractured orbital bone, and "bruising, swelling and substantial pain to the back of her head" in the Nov. 12 attack, according to a criminal complaint. Neely pleaded guilty to felony assault Feb. 9 in exchange for a 15-month alternative-to-incarceration program, according to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. He was supposed to stay in a treatment facility and not do drugs. If he had completed the program, the felony assault would have been reduced to a misdemeanor. He skipped a compliance court date, left the facility. A warrant was issued for his arrest on Feb. 23. It wasn't immediately clear how long he spent in jail awaiting the resolution of the assault case. The troubled man, who has a history of mental illness and drug addiction, had a rough upbringing. His mother was strangled by her boyfriend in 2007, found stuffed in a suitcase in the Bronx. Court records show that as an adult Neely regularly lashed out at strangers on the subway and on the street. From January 2020 to August 2021, he was arrested for public lewdness, pulling down his pants and exposing himself to a female, misdemeanor assault for hitting a woman in the face, criminal contempt for violating a restraining order. All three cases were dismissed as part of his Feb. 9 plea deal. In June 2019, Neely attacked Filemon Castillo Baltazar, 68, on the platform of the W. 4th St. Station in Greenwich Village. "Out of nowhere, he punched me in the face," the victim explained. He'd seen Neely before looking for food in trash bins. One month earlier, he hit a man so hard in the face that he broke his nose on the platform of the Broadway-Lafayette station, same subway stop where he died four years later. For those 2019 cases, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault then sentenced to six months in jail. Outreach workers were so familiar with him that he was on the city's "Top 50" list – an internal roster kept by the Dept of Homeless Services for people living on the street who were in most need of help, according to a report. He cycled in and out of hospitals and jails for years. Neely's death unfolded May 1 about 2:30 p.m. after he boarded an F train screaming and threatening passengers, according to a freelance journalist who recorded the confrontation. Penny grabbed him from behind, dragged him to the ground and allegedly wrapped his arm around his neck until he lost consciousness and died. Penny hasn't been criminally charged. Penny's attorneys, Steven Raiser and Thomas Kenniff, argued that Penny had acted in self-defense to protect himself and other riders and could not have anticipated Neely's unfortunate death. I would argue that the system failed Neely, he didn't appear fit to walk the streets and should have been institutionalized long ago but due to bleeding hearts, we don't do that for the mentally ill any longer.

[Marmaduke]

And so are bullets coming out of a weapon of a drunk who cannot shoot straight.

The Old West towns had rules about guns in towns for good reasons. And these were usually men in the prime of their live blowing off steam.

I have no problem with a professionally trained concealed gun carrier. But there probably fewer of these out there than a person who is itching to pull a gun.
I'm a female, professionally trained licensed, concealed gun carrier.
Concealed Carry people shouldn't drink alcohol while armed.
None of my friends would and you can thank me for going to the course often, since 1997.

Lived a charmed life, but I have no intention whatsoever to be a victim. My husband and I are not senile, drunk, Villagers with loaded guns.
I wish you would speak to us, and must of my friends. Maybe you would re-think your commentary.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm a female, professionally trained licensed, concealed gun carrier.
Concealed Carry people shouldn't drink alcohol while armed.
None of my friends would and you can thank me for going to the course often, since 1997.

Lived a charmed life, but I have no intention whatsoever to be a victim. My husband and I are not senile, drunk, Villagers with loaded guns.
I wish you would speak to us, and must of my friends. Maybe you would re-think your commentary.

Thank You for your service to the community. I hope that you are correct that most of the concealed gun carriers in the Villages are a responsible as you and your husband and your friends are. But I have found the phrase "the crooked timber of humanity" to be very accurate.

[Worldseries27]

california spends more per capita on law enforcement and education than florida. No one in any state would cheer for the perpetrator.
seems like california knows how to waste $$$

[Normal]

seems like california knows how to waste $$$

California is number one in wasting cash! Their law enforcement results are some of the least desirable stats in the nation. You are talking about the home of smash and dash gangs that clean out entire stores in a matter of less than a minute. Riots that rival all with looting and the largest homeless population on the planet. Yes, California can waste money.

If you think you have to worry about violent gun related car jackings here in the Villages, try LA out for the day.

[Taltarzac725]

California is number one in wasting cash! Their law enforcement results are some of the least desirable stats in the nation. You are talking about the home of smash and dash gangs that clean out entire stores in a matter of less than a minute. Riots that rival all with looting and the largest homeless population on the planet. Yes, California can waste money.

If you think you have to worry about violent gun related car jackings here in the Villages, try LA out for the day.

California is a huge state with an incredible amount of diversity. And Los Angeles is a patchwork of many different towns and cities.


At another California location I was looking for a place closer to my employment in Belmont at Information Access Company. I was commuting from Pleasanton which was about a seventy minute drive one way. I found all these very cheap places to rent pretty much across the street from Stanford University. I drove there in early Fall of 1984 and quickly saw from the bullet holes in the houses and the graffiti that East Palo Alto was not a desired location. I did find a place in Belmont at the bottom of the hill. Information Access Company was at the top of the hill surrounded by very expensive homes.


East Palo Alto is now a very desired location. They cleaned it up by development.


In Rohnert Park we lived across the green from the Red Lion Inn where every so often you saw movie production trailers when they were making movies in that area of Northern California.


We moved to Florida in 1996 so my parents could see more of their grandkids.


I did drive through Los Angeles on the way to Florida by myself in 1996 and tried to take a shortcut and quickly found myself in a place that looked like they were selling drugs on the corners. I turned around and got back on the Freeway.

[JRcorvette]

Wow this thread has gone all over the map… The Second Amendment gives everyone the right to defend themselves with a firearm. That said you are still responsible for your actions so you better know the Laws.

Read some History about that has happened to all disarmed citizens!

[Taltarzac725]

Wow this thread has gone all over the map… The Second Amendment gives everyone the right to defend themselves with a firearm. That said you are still responsible for your actions so you better know the Laws.

Read some History about that has happened to all disarmed citizens!

That is debatable. The 2nd Amendment reads-- Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment)


All I get out of it is a well -regulated militia. The writers of the Constitution were very familiar with Roman and English history. They were probably very scared of wannabe Emperor and put in militia as a check on absolute control. The states would have their own armies in other words.


The tools of the pioneer were probably assumed to be protected as you could not survive without weapons of some kind. Practical weapons. Musket pistols and rifles, axes, knives, swords, etc.

[Bill14564]

Wow this thread has gone all over the map… The Second Amendment gives everyone the right to defend themselves with a firearm. That said you are still responsible for your actions so you better know the Laws.

Read some History about that has happened to all disarmed citizens!

Just to be argumentative....

The 2nd amendment says nothing about defending yourself with a firearm. It *does* mention a well-regulated militia but it would be a long stretch to call a bunch of Villagers with guns "well-regulated."

History about disarmed citizens? Read some daily newspapers about what happens with armed citizens.

[Aces4]

Just to be argumentative....

The 2nd amendment says nothing about defending yourself with a firearm. It *does* mention a well-regulated militia but it would be a long stretch to call a bunch of Villagers with guns "well-regulated."

History about disarmed citizens? Read some daily newspapers about what happens with armed citizens.

You mean armed criminals and a very few law abiding armed citizens stories, yes.. that will bring clarity to the discussion. A list of all the Villagers with guns that have gone on to carelessly shoot other Villagers would assist with those claims. I would really like to see those stats and stories.

[Taltarzac725]

Just to be argumentative....

The 2nd amendment says nothing about defending yourself with a firearm. It *does* mention a well-regulated militia but it would be a long stretch to call a bunch of Villagers with guns "well-regulated."

History about disarmed citizens? Read some daily newspapers about what happens with armed citizens.

The Ox-Bow Incident is an excellent book on a mob and justice as is the movie of the same name. The book is by Walter Van Tilburg Clark - Wikipedia (https://share.google/QEB6YZLQd1ATTeeJi). The Ox-Bow Incident (novel) - Wikipedia (https://share.google/o1BgNmmQpe6fgdfj3)

[Pugchief]

Just a reminder for the anti-gun crowd that thinks Villagers with guns are a danger:

[Aces4]

The Ox-Bow Incident is an excellent book on a mob and justice as is the movie of the same name. The book is by Walter Van Tilburg Clark - Wikipedia (https://share.google/QEB6YZLQd1ATTeeJi). The Ox-Bow Incident (novel) - Wikipedia (https://share.google/o1BgNmmQpe6fgdfj3)

Excellent resource on mobs and justice? It a NOVEL. Geez, most of us don't live in pretend land and aren't anxious to ever use guns but this isn't lala land and there are sick and evil people out there who want to harm others. The police don't shoot everyone they see and neither do those who CCW for their and other's safety. How often do you hear of a Villager shooting someone in all of it's years of existence?

[Bill14564]

Just a reminder for the anti-gun crowd that thinks Villagers with guns are a danger:

Funny!

Guns don’t need to be registered here in FL, right?

What is the difference between a law abiding gun owner and a criminal? One bad decision.

[Aces4]

Funny!

Guns don’t need to be registered here in FL, right?

What is the difference between a law abiding gun owner and a criminal? One bad decision.

What is the difference between a gun carrying criminal on drugs and an unarmed Villager? One bad decision! How quickly the current situation that occurred at Colony, which could have been a murder with the perp shooting into an occupied car, is swept under the rug.

[jimhoward]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

[Aces4]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

Groin. :a20:

[MrFlorida]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

That's why they call it concealed, it's concealed ..

[ThirdOfFive]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.
Depends not just on the concealer but also the handgun being concealed. North American Arms makes revolvers (.22, .22WMR) so small I can easily conceal them in the palm of my hand. Don't know how practical they'd be in a self-defense situation but if your life depended on it I suppose any gun is better than no gun. Ruger also makes some pretty concealable pistols: the Ruger LCP and LCP II ("Light Compact Pistol") which are both .380 caliber pistols that are pretty diminutive: the LCP II Lite-Rack weighs in at 11.2 oz. empty. Ruger also makes the LC9; a bit larger in 9mm but still pretty concealable.

A lot depends on the type of holster as well.

[Taltarzac725]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

Probably a small number of people are actually carrying. Unless these are very small guns which I kind of doubt. I have heard that derringers are hard to use properly.

[badkarma318]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

Those who don't know what they're doing are easy to find - look up "CCW printing".

There are specialty rigs, deep concealment (Cherries), Thunderwear, PHLster, etc.

Your guess would be incorrect.

[JMintzer]

Which is exactly what worries me.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Then maybe you should move to a less 2nd Amendment friendly state...

And I'm not worried in the least!

[JMintzer]

I have traveled extensively all over the world, often in third world countries, and have never felt the need to carry a gun.

And I have traveled extensively in DC and I was glad I had one...

[JMintzer]

Amazing that with the high number of armed Villagers, not one was present at the scene, to offer help, or protection.

Not amazing at all. DC, for example, has a high number of police from various departments (DC Metro, Capitol, Park, Secret Service, etc, etc, etc), yet people were carjacked and killed on a daily basis...

And what do you think that "high number of villagers" is exactly? 10? 20? 100? 500? 1000? More? If no one was there who was carrying, then no one was there who was carrying... Just like the police, they can't be everywhere all of the time...

[JMintzer]

Never have seen anyone openly carrying a pistol in Florida nor California except police and armored car people picking up money.

Of course you haven't. It's ILLEGAL! The vast majority of LEGAL gun owners are law abiding citizens. In fact the FBI statistics state that those gun owners with CCWs are THE MOST law abiding subset in the US.

[JMintzer]

But there are some rather inebriated Villagers as well as hotheads full of adrenaline along with men and women with Alzheimer's or some other kind of dementia with weapons that can kill another person in seconds. It only takes there being one of these rather than a well trained and very level headed concealed gun carrier for there to be a tragedy. I also wonder about the aim of the inebriated.


I would rather the police handle these things.

Yeah, like the guy who killed another man with one punch @ Glenview CC because he thought he scratched his car... Only took "seconds"...

[JMintzer]

That guy that choked a homeless man to death. He choked him for 6 minutes. He could have restrained him and not choked him to death, but he killed him. The man killed did not touch anyone on the train. He was acting erratically. Penny is a murderer and had a slick lawyer who conned the jury and others. The average Fox News viewer is 69 years old.

How old are you?

[JMintzer]

That is debatable. The 2nd Amendment reads-- Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment)


All I get out of it is a well -regulated militia. The writers of the Constitution were very familiar with Roman and English history. They were probably very scared of wannabe Emperor and put in militia as a check on absolute control. The states would have their own armies in other words.


The tools of the pioneer were probably assumed to be protected as you could not survive without weapons of some kind. Practical weapons. Musket pistols and rifles, axes, knives, swords, etc.

You obviously ignored the part where the 2A states "The right of THE PEOPLE shall not be infringed"...

[JMintzer]

I have a more practical question. Where do people carry these concealed weapons? It would be very dangerous to leave a loaded gun in your golf bag or in your golf cart. But, its really hot here. Most people are wearing shorts and t-shirts. Where do you keep a concealed revolver or other sidearm on your person? I guess I really don't need to know, but was just curious. My guess is that in reality there are not very many people carrying guns in the villages. But maybe that is just my naiveté.

It's obvious you no nothing about the multitude of holster options that can render a carried gun "unnoticeable"...

[JMintzer]

Probably a small number of people are actually carrying. Unless these are very small guns which I kind of doubt. I have heard that derringers are hard to use properly.

Complete speculation and conjecture...

[MorTech]

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