The four older Americans caught by Somali pirates have been killed.

[graciegirl]

I feel so bad for their families.

Helene and I were talking about it just now and she said she wondered why they attempted to sail in those dangerous waters.

Those pirates really need to be stopped.

[Shimpy]

I feel so bad for their families.

Helene and I were talking about it just now and she said she wondered why they attempted to sail in those dangerous waters.

Those pirates really need to be stopped.

I can't believe in this day and age that all the world countries are putting up with this. They need to go ashore and level the place.

[HawkeyeBarb]

That is so awful...so terrible for their families.
Those pirates are really terrorists on water. You are right, Gracie.
They do need to be stopped.

[redwitch]

So, any suggestions on how to stop them without killing a lot of innocent people? The problem is that the waters have been fished out and fishing was the only industry. What the pirates are doing is obscene, inexcusable and inhuman. To stop them, the villages need to be attacked -- not just on the coast but inland. Some villages assist the pirates voluntarily -- their family members are the pirates. Some do it for payment. Some are forced to house and protect the pirates. Problem is which are being coerced and which are doing it voluntarily. Much like Vietnam, it is hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys.

This is going to get me flamed, but I honestly wonder if these 4 would still be alive had our warship not followed the pirates. Others had been ransomed and released. Some have died in captivity. It is so hard to know what is the right thing to do. Maybe trailing them once they have attacked and kidnapped someone is the best way. It may mean the death of a few more but it may also give the pirates the message that their behavior will not be tolerated. I don't know.

Regardless of what is the best way to stop this, the death of these 4 is a true tragedy and about an ugly an act as could be done. My heart and prayers go out to their families.

[RichieLion]

I would like to see the U.S. Military send out armed decoy trade ships and when the pirates come out they get cut to ribbons. Let this happen a couple of dozen times and let's see if the Somali pirates continue to be so bold.

Real U.S. trade ships in the region should be equipped with four 50 caliber machine guns with trained gunners, 2 on each side and pirates would have no chance.

[Talk Host]

I think if we crisscross Somalia for several days with F-16s at tree top level and let them know that if it happens one more time, it will be elevated to the next level. Then do it.

Innocent people in Somalia need to take action to stop the pirates. The innocent people are sharing in the money that is being collected. It's the new national industry. There are no innocent people there.

JLK

[RichieLion]

I think if we crisscross Somalia for several days with F-16s at tree top level and let them know that if it happens one more time, it will be elevated to the next level. Then do it.

Innocent people in Somalia need to take action to stop the pirates. The innocent people are sharing in the money that is being collected. It's the new national industry. There are no innocent people there.

JLK

I agree, but our world view situation is in tatters already. I'm still for blasting every boat that comes within a half mile of a US ship.

[spk7951]

This is going to get me flamed, but I honestly wonder if these 4 would still be alive had our warship not followed the pirates. Others had been ransomed and released. Some have died in captivity. It is so hard to know what is the right thing to do. Maybe trailing them once they have attacked and kidnapped someone is the best way. It may mean the death of a few more but it may also give the pirates the message that their behavior will not be tolerated. I don't know.


Well I would suspect that the presence of the Navy vessel helped to keep the hijackers at sea and prevented help from shore from getting to them. Whether or not that is sound strategy is beyond me.
But in my opinion the killing of these four innocent people should have been a death sentence to those pirates.

[redwitch]

No innocent people there? The children are guilty? The babies have committed crimes? The villages held at gunpoint are as guilty as those profiting from the pirates? Sorry, TH, but your assessment is nauseating.

[Talk Host]

No innocent people there? The children are guilty? The babies have committed crimes? The villages held at gunpoint are as guilty as those profiting from the pirates? Sorry, TH, but your assessment is nauseating.


If you had murders living in your neighborhood, what would you do? You would do everything in your power to stop them or get rid of them, I hope. If you didn't, you would be as guilt as they are.

The people are allowing this to go on and they are benefiting from it, that's what's nauseating. Our innocent people are dying. Do their lives have any value?

You've labeled my assessment "nauseating." I'm eager to hear your plan on how to stop these butchers from killing Americans.

[Bucco]

There seems to be a lot of common threads between this and Afghanistan, including the not knowing exactly what to do !!!!

There are a lot of bad people in this world and how to deal with them SHOULD be at the top of our agenda because we, the USA, appear to be in the middle of all their bullseyes !

I agree with REDWITCH that TALKHOST's plan is not a good one at all, but I also understand were TALKHOST is coming from. All of our speeches are doing nothing to stop these bad people and I make no separation between these animals and any of those in various parts of the world that simply want to kill people. We have experienced video tapes of brutal murders, beheadings and the like. This should not surprise anyone anymore. I will agree with TALKHOST that the talking all around the world is not stopping it and the unrest in this world has grown to a very scary level.

[redwitch]

If you had murders living in your neighborhood, what would you do? You would do everything in your power to stop them or get rid of them, I hope. If you didn't, you would be as guilt as they are.

The people are allowing this to go on and they are benefiting from it, that's what's nauseating. Our innocent people are dying. Do their lives have any value?

You've labeled my assessment "nauseating." I'm eager to hear your plan on how to stop these butchers from killing Americans.

The idea of leveling a nation, of killing innocent babies and children is nauseating. If you don't see that, I'm sorry for you.

How about destroying every boat in Somalia? Put an embargo around the shorelines, with well-armed ships willing to blow any ship out of the water. Be pretty hard to be a pirate without a boat or a way to leave the shore. Then, get some sort of industry in there so these people can make a living.

It is not just Americans that have been slaughtered by the pirates. It is different nationalities. This is a human problem, not an American one. All countries need to work on this issue. It is one that should have been started 10 years ago. These pirates have been around a long time. They're just getting more brazen. As to the pirates, I vote they be keelhauled and then left in the water for the sharks.

[beartrack]

It is painful to say this but, TH is absolutely correct. "War is hell" innocent people die in war. They died in Europe and they died in the Pacific but, as a result of their sacrifice, millions of people were saved. The U.S is losing respect around the world because of our inaction. I believe the time for talking is over. The four people that were just killed were innocent too. We need to act and act now.

[sandybill2]

Bottom line--four Americans were slaughtered. The people that did this are animals but unfortunately this world is full of these type of animals now-- Those that can kill and not even blink. Don't know the answer---just know that my thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of these four Americans.

[Talk Host]

We are no longer a super power. Nobody is afraid of us. They feel free to kill our people and destroy our country because they know that nothing will be done about it. They know that we are now steered by the thinking of people people who don't have the guts of our forefathers. We have shown ourselves as being spineless and weak.

A lawless country is plundering the world, killing innocent people stealing millions and millions of dollars. Then spread the money around to the population, it's the national industry.

Those of us who believe that firm and decisive action should be taken to defend our country, our people, and our reputation are placed in the category of "nauseating." How really sad is that.

By the way, "animals" don't murder people. Calling them animals is an insult of the animal kingdom.

Oh, and Red, nowhere in any of my posts did I say that they should "level the nation and kill babies." Please don't put your words in my mouth. You don't have to exaggerate what I said in order to try to find a way to validate your position.

[Carla B]

And, if we think that this is an isolated case...unbelievably, there have been 96 Somali piracy alerts reported in 2011 so far! The website: [url]www.shipping.nato.int[url] lists all the details of Somali pirate activity day by day. S/v "Quest" is the first yacht taken this year and, although the main focus seems to be on merchant vessels, the pirates do not discriminate if a yacht happens to be in the vicinity where they are trawling. This can be hundreds of miles from Somalia territorial waters.

Why do the governments of the European Union and the U.S. allow this to happen month after month without stopping it?

[chuckinca]

The cheapest solution - pay off a local warlord to stop it.


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[k2at]

What person in his right mind would sail a yacht thru those waters?

[l2ridehd]

There was a time not to long ago, in my life time, when the respect of the US allowed our citizens to travel most anywhere in the world and be relatively safe. That is not the case today. Our leaders have allowed our decline in the world and until they are removed and the constant talk and "diplomacy" is backed up by action, our citizens will not be safe any where. How we can accept things like "our country can withstand another 911" to even be uttered by our leaders is a travesty.

So that's why we are where we are, so how do we now resolve this issue of pirates? We need to take very bold, targeted, decisive action every time it happens. The pain must always happen and be far and above the potential reward. And yes there will be collateral damage. And we also must take action to provide a means for these people to have an alternative. Jobs, food, and a way to grow and feed your family that is better then supporting the pirates. Never negotiate with pirates, terrorists, or others who blackmail you in any way. It will do nothing but encourage more pirates. Desperate people will take bold risks. Provide them with something to lose and they will stop supporting this activity.

[Challenger]

There was a time not to long ago, in my life time, when the respect of the US allowed our citizens to travel most anywhere in the world and be relatively safe. That is not the case today. Our leaders have allowed our decline in the world and until they are removed and the constant talk and "diplomacy" is backed up by action, our citizens will not be safe any where. How we can accept things like "our country can withstand another 911" to even be uttered by our leaders is a travesty.

So that's why we are where we are, so how do we now resolve this issue of pirates? We need to take very bold, targeted, decisive action every time it happens. The pain must always happen and be far and above the potential reward. And yes there will be collateral damage. And we also must take action to provide a means for these people to have an alternative. Jobs, food, and a way to grow and feed your family that is better then supporting the pirates. Never negotiate with pirates, terrorists, or others who blackmail you in any way. It will do nothing but encourage more pirates. Desperate people will take bold risks. Provide them with something to lose and they will stop supporting this activity.
I wonder what the response would be if these were Israli citizens??

[hoseman]

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[Shimpy]

If you had murders living in your neighborhood, what would you do? You would do everything in your power to stop them or get rid of them, I hope. If you didn't, you would be as guilt as they are.

The people are allowing this to go on and they are benefiting from it, that's what's nauseating. Our innocent people are dying. Do their lives have any value?

You've labeled my assessment "nauseating." I'm eager to hear your plan on how to stop these butchers from killing Americans.

I AGREE

During WW2 we carpet bombed cities in Germany and thousands died, but that ended the war. Look at Japan and the two atomic bombs. Sometimes innocent citizens are killed in order for our innocent citizens to live.

[beartrack]

We are no longer a super power. Nobody is afraid of us. They feel free to kill our people and destroy our country because they know that nothing will be done about it. They know that we are now steered by the thinking of people people who don't have the guts of our forefathers. We have shown ourselves as being spineless and weak.

A lawless country is plundering the world, killing innocent people stealing millions and millions of dollars. Then spread the money around to the population, it's the national industry.

Those of us who believe that firm and decisive action should be taken to defend our country, our people, and our reputation are placed in the category of "nauseating." How really sad is that.

By the way, "animals" don't murder people. Calling them animals is an insult of the animal kingdom.

Oh, and Red, nowhere in any of my posts did I say that they should "level the nation and kill babies." Please don't put your words in my mouth. You don't have to exaggerate what I said in order to try to find a way to validate your position.

:BigApplause:

[katezbox]

What person in his right mind would sail a yacht thru those waters?

My thoughts exactly!

[cybermuda]

Let's get some perspective here

Far more people are murdered in New York City than by Somali pirates, yet I doubt that carpet bombing Manhattan would be seen as a viable solution to that problem.

If you want to remain stuck fighting WWII then use convoys - they were effective in reducing merchant shipping losses to the U-boats.

Moving into the current century, we now have unmanned drones, which have proved useful in surveillance and attack in Afghanistan.

And developing a marine equivalent - small, fast, unmanned, heavily-armed boats - would be relatively quick, and dozens could be deployed for a fraction of the cost of one destroyer.


However, the bottom line remains that you can't sail your private yacht into a war zone and expect the U.S. Navy to come steaming in to save you, guns blazing. This is the real world, not a John Wayne retrospective. A certain amount of common sense and personal responsibility has to be exercised.

[LittleDog]

I didn't read all the posts in this thread but probably what I am about to say is not mentioned previously. What is the Navy going to do with the 6 dead bodies they have? I really don't care what they do with the 2 Somalis but what of the Americans. Will they bury them at sea? Will they embalm them? Will they be flown to the US? Just wondering. I would not like to think of decomposing bodies on a warship. Also what do you think they will do with that sailboat?

John

[ajdeck]

Well I would suspect that the presence of the Navy vessel helped to keep the hijackers at sea and prevented help from shore from getting to them. Whether or not that is sound strategy is beyond me.
But in my opinion the killing of these four innocent people should have been a death sentence to those pirates.


The world is starting to see how weak the U.S. has become and know we won't do much of anything anymore.

Us old vet's are really discussed after fighting and losing our friends and family for this country and now the young don't care or even want to stand up for the country. Country is now turning into a bunch of wimps and it's not going to get better so best watch out.

aj

[l2ridehd]

It is not the young who don't care, it's our leaders. I was recently at a place where I had the honor to meet several of our young service men and women. Yes they were young and yes they were all willing to stand up and fight for our freedom and our stature in the world. And many of them do it every day.

Our leadership is a completely different story. Not only do they apologize for us, but they refuse to enforce our laws. It is OK to disagree with our laws, but to refuse to enforce them is treason. And our wonderful media doesn't even take notice. That is why we are doomed as a nation, not because of our young people.

[ajdeck]

It is not the young who don't care, it's our leaders. I was recently at a place where I had the honor to meet several of our young service men and women. Yes they were young and yes they were all willing to stand up and fight for our freedom and our stature in the world. And many of them do it every day.

Our leadership is a completely different story. Not only do they apologize for us, but they refuse to enforce our laws. It is OK to disagree with our laws, but to refuse to enforce them is treason. And our wonderful media doesn't even take notice. That is why we are doomed as a nation, not because of our young people.



Your perfectly correct, the leaders are the problem. My comment are for those young ones that don't step up but... in life.

We have many many young great service people and I'm proud to say it to them any time I come across one.

aj