survey time again

[chachacha]

it is coming upon time to fill out our surveys for the Villages and i hope all of us singles will mention our displeasure that we receive only one activity pass when we purchase our home and are denied the pleasure of a companion to attend club meetings, dances, etc if they happen to live in the tri county area...there is no reason that some sort of companion pass for use while in the company of a single resident could not be issued, as we pay the same amenity fees as a married couple. and our married friends must realize that when they unhappily lose their partner, they will face the same problems....it is time the Villages addressed this issue.

[DeafDeaf]

Also, in this same survey, please do note in comments that you want both theatres have the captions capability for the sake of people with hearing loss. The more we speak out, they will listen to us!

[graciegirl]

Also, in this same survey, please do note in comments that you want both theatres have the captions capability for the sake of people with hearing loss. The more we speak out, they will listen to us!

How does that work? Would the script run on the screen? That would be distracting for people with ADD.

[getdul981]

How does that work? Would the script run on the screen? That would be distracting for people with ADD.

I have no idea how they would enact such a thing, but I do know that at Disney World, some of the attractions where prople need to have captions, the person uses special glasses. The glasses have a mirror like finish on the inside and it picks up the captions being broadcast from the back of the theater. Really, a pretty ingenious idea.

[chachacha]

that sounds like a great idea as many of us have poor hearing, if not totally deaf, as we age...the problem would probably be the cost, as usual...any idea how much this technology costs to install? then those of us with normal hearing will not have to be blasted out of our seats :) thanks for the suggestion.

[manaboutown]

Thank you for bringing this topic up,Chachacha. As a single person considering relocating to TV I am certainly concerned what rights and privileges I would have. It seems only reasonable for a single homeowner to have not only his or her own pass, but a guest pass so the single homeowner could take a companion to venues only open to residents of TV. It would be very, very difficult to be dating a person residing outside TV and not be able to take him or her to TV facilities and events.

[FRMChicago]

I am a single man,moving to TV in June. If marrieds get two passes and singles pay the same amenities fee as marrieds,how can they justify only ONE PASS for singles ?? That stinks..All TV singles should do whatever it take to get that clearly unfair practice changed. Amazes me it's still in effect !!

[chachacha]

for those considering moving here, it would be helpful to mention this issue to your sales people as surely the message will get back to the powers that be that this is a concern to singles. i must say it is not a deal breaker for me as i still love living here, but it does sometimes interfere with things i would like to do with a date. i lost my significant other in the midst of rallying support for this issue two years ago and then i lost heart to continue...but the survey is a good venue to bring it up again....

[Dynasty]

Yeah this rule sucks. I had to get married to get free golf.

[yankeeboy353]

Maybe I reconsider getting a divorce....j/k. I agree! Maybe we need to get a petition together and try to get this resolved!

[aln]

Has anyone ever brought this 'single resident' issue before the amenity authority committee? or a VHA meeting?
If so what was said.

[chachacha]

yes, bob martino gathered hundreds of signatures two years ago and presented the issue to the board but they had already closed discussion for that year....they suggested we bring it up again the following year to Ms. Tutt but as i said, i lost my love in between and did not have the emotional strength at that time to pursue it... i think it must be taken up before june. if enough surveys are sent in with this issue brought up, we may get some better consideration. perhaps our old posts are still available to peruse. we had some complaints from married people that we would provoke a rise in amenity fees but i think that is illogical. a pass to be used only in the company of the single resident should not cause any problems.

[jebartle]

denied!....Who is the keeper of the access code?

[BOMBERO]

denied!....Who is the keeper of the access code?

reading the entire letter. They give you a name and number to call with any questions or if you need help.

[graciegirl]

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[2BNTV]

it is coming upon time to fill out our surveys for the Villages and i hope all of us singles will mention our displeasure that we receive only one activity pass when we purchase our home and are denied the pleasure of a companion to attend club meetings, dances, etc if they happen to live in the tri county area...there is no reason that some sort of companion pass for use while in the company of a single resident could not be issued, as we pay the same amenity fees as a married couple. and our married friends must realize that when they unhappily lose their partner, they will face the same problems....it is time the Villages addressed this issue.

I agree with you 1000%. This is totally unfair.

I am a single wannabee and this issues causes me a great deal of concern.

I hope this issue is resolved in the near future.

[jebartle]

I have not received letter yet....I was trying to access thru Villages.net




reading the entire letter. They give you a name and number to call with any questions or if you need help.

[manaboutown]

It seems that people who LIVE here or OWN here have the amenities. H has an amenity pass and her name is on the deed. What if the person who had the other half of a singles pass was not a good guest? What if they would damage something? What if you didn't want them to have a pass anymore? A resident gets a fine if they do something against the deed restrictions.

You are right that we as married people pay the same fee as a single. Our other daughter who is a single parent pays the same taxes as a married couple on her home in Ohio.

This sounds mean and I don't mean it be cold and heartless, and I certainly understand how it seems unjust.


A simple solution is that the person who owns the home (resident) would be responsible for any damage caused by the guest or fined if the guest did anything against the deed restrictions.


We may be looking at apples and oranges. I pay the same taxes (apples) on my home in California whether I reside in it or not, live alone or with a family of eight (or any number). I pay for the schools, roads and so on - whether I use them or not - through these and other taxes. That is the way such taxes (apples) work.

On the other hand, presuming that the functions and amentities TV resident passes are required to enjoy are not funded by the real estate taxes paid to whatever form of government collects them but by amenities fees (oranges), to be fair each household should be provided with two passes, or the amenities fees (oranges) could be collected on a per capita basis rather than a per household basis. An analogy might be my gym membership. I hold an individual membership. If I were married my spouse and I would each have to purchase a separate membership. OK, most gyms offer a married couple a discount on the second membership but still two memberships are required to be purchased. As it now stands the single resident TV households are subidizing the households owned by couples as far as amenities go. This might be acceptable. After all many if not most people will not or can not take advantage of all of the amenities, some people are snowbirds, etc. Nevertheless, as a single person homeowner I would expect to be able to enjoy the amenities with a partner because I am paying the same fees a couple owning a home pays and certain activities the passes entitle holders to are designed for or at least more enjoyable when shared with a partner.

Question: If three people own a home in TV and live in it together do they get three passes or are they limited to two passes?

It seems to me that if they are limited to two passes the single homeowner should get two passes since the amenities fees are calibrated to cover two people.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I have not received letter yet....I was trying to access thru Villages.net

If you haven't received a letter yet, they must've missed you in the mailing process somehow. Maybe you're having your mail forwarded to a different address which could cause a delay.

At the bottom of our letter, it says to call Eva Rey if you have any questions or need help - 751-6700. That would be the place to start to find out your access code.

Bill :)

[obxgal]

[QUOTE=manaboutown;337845Question: If three people own a home in TV and live in it together do they get three passes or are they limited to two passes?

It seems to me that if they are limited to two passes the single homeowner should get two passes since the amenities fees are calibrated to cover two people.[/QUOTE]

I and my husband both have owner passes(green cards). When our 47 year old daughter was living here with us she got a resident (blue card) and was able to use all the amities we use with the exception of the sports pools. She had to show a driver license with our address, bill for her cell phone, paystub, change of mailing address from the post office and bank statement. Not sure if all are required but I believe at least 3. Then they issured her a blue card with her photo on it. It is good for 3 years after that she would be able to renew it if still here. She left after 18 months and found a place of her own out of state, so we just handed in her card when she moved out.

Property managment on Wedgewood would be able to answer any additional questions you would have.

[Whalen]

Originally Posted by graciegirl
It seems that people who LIVE here or OWN here have the amenities. H has an amenity pass and her name is on the deed. What if the person who had the other half of a singles pass was not a good guest? What if they would damage something? What if you didn't want them to have a pass anymore? A resident gets a fine if they do something against the deed restrictions.

You are right that we as married people pay the same fee as a single. Our other daughter who is a single parent pays the same taxes as a married couple on her home in Ohio.

This sounds mean and I don't mean it be cold and heartless, and I certainly understand how it seems unjust.




A simple solution is that the person who owns the home (resident) would be responsible for any damage caused by the guest or fined if the guest did anything against the deed restrictions.


We may be looking at apples and oranges. I pay the same taxes (apples) on my home in California whether I reside in it or not, live alone or with a family of eight (or any number). I pay for the schools, roads and so on - whether I use them or not - through these and other taxes. That is the way such taxes (apples) work.

On the other hand, presuming that the functions and amentities TV resident passes are required to enjoy are not funded by the real estate taxes paid to whatever form of government collects them but by amenities fees (oranges), to be fair each household should be provided with two passes, or the amenities fees (oranges) could be collected on a per capita basis rather than a per household basis. An analogy might be my gym membership. I hold an individual membership. If I were married my spouse and I would each have to purchase a separate membership. OK, most gyms offer a married couple a discount on the second membership but still two memberships are required to be purchased. As it now stands the single resident TV households are subidizing the households owned by couples as far as amenities go. This might be acceptable. After all many if not most people will not or can not take advantage of all of the amenities, some people are snowbirds, etc. Nevertheless, as a single person homeowner I would expect to be able to enjoy the amenities with a partner because I am paying the same fees a couple owning a home pays and certain activities the passes entitle holders to are designed for or at least more enjoyable when shared with a partner.

Question: If three people own a home in TV and live in it together do they get three passes or are they limited to two passes?

It seems to me that if they are limited to two passes the single homeowner should get two passes since the amenities fees are calibrated to cover two people.


My understanding is that if 3 or 4 people own the house each one gets a pass. Therein lies the inequity and the problem. As a married couple having 2 passes I have no issue with my single friends having a full guest pass for a companion or signifigant other. The question was posed that what if the guest was not a good guest? I would ask what if an owner was not a good owner?

[RichieLion]

Am I missing something, but aren't guest passes sufficient for most purposes, except executive golf where you have to pay extra for your guest?

I know that getting them on short notice could be somewhat problematic at times. I wonder why they can't be done online and you'd print out your own pass for your guest. The website could have protocols that monitor this.

[Pturner]

Question: If three people own a home in TV and live in it together do they get three passes or are they limited to two passes?

It seems to me that if they are limited to two passes the single homeowner should get two passes since the amenities fees are calibrated to cover two people.

My understanding is that resident passes are issued only to people who live in The Villages. (I guess that's why they call them resident passes.)

Each and every homeowner is entitled to one (and only one) resident pass. If three or four people are on the deed, each of them gets one resident pass.

If someone's name is NOT on the deed, but he or she does, in fact, live in TV, proof of residency is required to obtain a resident pass. I think three forms of proof are required.

Someone, please correct me if I am in error.

[skyguy79]

Am I missing something, but aren't guest passes sufficient for most purposes, except executive golf where you have to pay extra for your guest?

I know that getting them on short notice could be somewhat problematic at times. I wonder why they can't be done online and you'd print out your own pass for your guest. The website could have protocols that monitor this.I was thinking something similar at first Richie, but later learned that we're talking about guests for single residents that reside in the tri-county area, (not outside it) and as such they are not eligable for a guest pass. In some cases they can apply for a years guest pass if they're a member of a resident's family. So I can now see the point the OP has made.

Aside from my reply to Richie, I believe that what's being referred to as a resident's "activity pass" is actually called a "Residents ID Card." The use of the term "activity pass" intially confused me as a relatively newbee because I was given no such named pass and only the green photo ID; this is the only reason why I'm even bringing it up!

[BOMBERO]

I have not received letter yet....I was trying to access thru Villages.net

You said- "submitted my access code and


denied!....Who is the keeper of the access code? "


Where did you get an access code if you didn't receive a letter?

[graciegirl]

I guess that..the only fair way would be to pay $135 for one person, $270 for two and $405 for three.

Or...$73 for one, $135 for two and $200 for three.

Or....?

[Ohiogirl]

I think we're all missing something ChaCha said in her post - a SPECIAL guest pass (marked differently from regular guest passes) that must be used IN THE COMPANY of the resident. Could be issued yearly (in case status changes or a special guest takes off with it). And, only issued to single households to make it more equitable.

Ideally, the resident would always keep the pass with his/her own and not give it to the "date" or friend/relative who lives nearby. That way a single resident could golf/swim/take dance lessons with more than one "friend" or relative living in the tri-county area, but not more than one at a time. Would definitely make it more equitable, IMO.

The special guest pass would be marked with the resident ID that it would need to be used with, so the guest couldn't use it to, for instance, play golf on their own. Regular guests can do this, but I can see why tri-county guests should not be able to without being in the presence of the resident.

I don't know if the relative (immediate family in the tri-county area) passes must be used with the resident present or not, but I think they should be.

[skyguy79]

I think we're all missing something ChaCha said in her post - a SPECIAL guest pass (marked differently from regular guest passes) that must be used IN THE COMPANY of the resident. It may have not been apparant, but I didn't miss that ChaCha was talking about a special, currently non-existing pass and I suspect that I wasn't alone in not having missed it. However, I'm fairly confident that a number did and that would make you right, except for the "all" factor! Good luck to ChaCha and other singles in achieving change and in the mean time... I have a resident's ID and available for dates... if my wife lets me! http://www.casachayanne.com/emoticons/shameonyou.gif
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[chachacha]

thanks ohio girl and skyguy for clarifying my post...i thought i had made myself clear but apparently there was some confusion...yes, i am asking for a special currently non-existant pass provided to single homeowners to keep in their possesion and use only with a date for such activities as dance classes, club meetings, water volleyball, etc. if golf is the big no no then so be it...anyone can enjoy golf with a girlfriend but one cannot take dance classes with a girlfriend, if you know what i mean. (no jokes, i mean if one is a girl)
it would just make life for us singles so much more enjoyable if we are not lucky enough to meet someone who lives right here anyway....now i am going to fill out my survey!

[Pturner]

The Law of Unintended Consequences

The ultimate irony would be if such a special pass discouraged singles from moving to TV.

Say I'm a man-about-town. I could get a bigger house and have more money for dating by moving near but not in TV. If I wanted to use TV amenities, I could ask out one of my TV lady friends or call one of my single male buddies in TV.

Or I'm a single girl. I have single friends in TV. I could cut my monthly expenses considerably and get a bigger house by moving outside of TV. When I longed to enjoy all that TV has to offer, I could call one of my single TV friends.

I am empathetic with my single friends on this issue. I well recognize that I could one day find myself in the same boat. But I do wonder about Unintended Consequences. Simple solutions sometimes come in convenient flip-top cans. They seem so easy and attractive. Then, pop open the can and out come the worms.

[rubicon]

pturner no one answered your question. yes you are exactly correct on the manner in which resident passes are determined (name(s) on the deed). You will also recall that the reason we had to go through being issued new identification card is because some people found ways to abuse the ID system. People who abuse any of our rules, believe they are entitled to more or otherwise generate loopholes make it difficult for the rest of us. My wife does not play golf. I never thought once of using her ID to gain more tee times but a number of people did and that created a capacity problem when TV had sustantially less of a population.

Lifestyle visiters and renters have been getting priority on a number of executive courses. There must be a great number of people visiting here right now judging by the meager pickings for tee times and TV isn't even fully built out. It is my understanding that none of the lifestyle people are booked on courses north of 466. I could be wrong but I believe that the POA as a condition of settling the 2008 lawsuit asked that this be done. Again I could be wrong???? Renters double and in some instances triple up in one residence placing a greater burden on our amenities which means the amenities paid by one owner may be accomodating 4-6 people or more. I do not know and I rather doubt the Developer rentals pays into our amenities?

I explain all of this because obviously there must be an ever increasing demand on TV amenities and I suspect the Admin people are hard pressed for solutions that will please most of the residents.

Please keep this all in mind as you complete the survey because there certainly appears to be a number of people who are bent on ruining a good thing.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just how big is this "problem" being discussed??

[Ohiogirl]

Renters double and in some instances triple up in one residence placing a greater burden on our amenities which means the amenities paid by one owner may be accomodating 4-6 people or more. I do not know and I rather doubt the Developer rentals pays into our amenities?

I explain all of this because obviously there must be an ever increasing demand on TV amenities and I suspect the Admin people are hard pressed for solutions that will please most of the residents.

Please keep this all in mind as you complete the survey because there certainly appears to be a number of people who are bent on ruining a good thing.[/QUOTE]

Renters can only get a maximum of 2 (repeat - TWO) resident guest passes per unit. Yes, 4 or 6 people can rent a house, but only 2 can get the free executive golf passes - the others would have to get regular guest passes (and pay $10.00 plus $3.50 for a trail fee).

And PT, I was thinking the special guest passes would be like regular guest passes - the "date" would have to pay $10.00 plus the $3.50 as above, and would have the same priority as a regular guest. So - I don't think overuse of facilities would be an issue. Nor do I think that would be an incentive for singles to buy outside of The Villages.

They would not be allowed to use the sport pools (in my scenario) and during the season, just like regular guests now, might not get in to some of the popular activities, which I think are mostly fitness related, in the rec centers.

[manaboutown]

The Law of Unintended Consequences

The ultimate irony would be if such a special pass discouraged singles from moving to TV.

Say I'm a man-about-town. I could get a bigger house and have more money for dating by moving near but not in TV. If I wanted to use TV amenities, I could ask out one of my TV lady friends or call one of my single male buddies in TV.

Or I'm a single girl. I have single friends in TV. I could cut my monthly expenses considerably and get a bigger house by moving outside of TV. When I longed to enjoy all that TV has to offer, I could call one of my single TV friends.

I am empathetic with my single friends on this issue. I well recognize that I could one day find myself in the same boat. But I do wonder about Unintended Consequences. Simple solutions sometimes come in convenient flip-top cans. They seem so easy and attractive. Then, pop open the can and out come the worms.

Unfortunately, there are always people who will try to abuse or beat "the system". Two of the reasons that I find myself attracted to TV so much are that (1) the developer has done a terrific job of comprehensively designing, planning and building a community having "all the bells and whistles" for the active over 55 set and (2) he runs a very tight ship. TV is beautifully designed and immaculately maintained. Even though I play little golf I visually enjoy the golf courses, so I really do not mind helping support the golf courses with part of an amenities fee. I simply feel that as a single I would want to be able to take a non-TV-resident woman I was dating to various social events (dances, dinners and the like) and experience with her the various other amenities (not golf) available only to TV residents. There must be some relatively abuse resistant way to do this if the developer and community support this concept.

[DeafDeaf]

How does that work? Would the script run on the screen? That would be distracting for people with ADD.
An estimated 24 million Americans have enough of a hearing loss that they cannot fully understand the meaning of a television program. This is especially true of the elderly, the fastest growing category of individuals who are deaf and hard of hearing or ability of hearing decreasing with age. Captions enable viewers who are deaf and hard of hearing to participate with family and friends in America's favorite pastime: watching TV. Captions can also benefit adults and children learning to read, as well as people learning English as a second language. Like subtitles, captions display spoken dialogue as printed words on the television screen. Unlike subtitles, captions are specifically designed for viewers who are deaf and hard of hearing. Captions are carefully placed to identify speakers, on- and offscreen sound effects, music, and laughter. People with ADD will benefit more by reading captions!

[swimdawg]

When I visited TV in January (and bought property in St. James with plans to build), I thought TV was absolutely PERFECT with one exception: TV needs an indoor pool for those not-so-perfect days. Some of us like to start the day in the pool.....and it really would not be so nice swimming at 7 AM in cool temps or not-so-nice days. Although, it would wake me the swimmer up!:D
So......how about it, you Survey Takers..........please mention that you'd like an INDOOR POOL. You'd love it!
It's 31 degrees in Western New York this morn. :cold: Bring on TV!:thumbup:

[Bogie Shooter]

When I visited TV in January (and bought property in St. James with plans to build), I thought TV was absolutely PERFECT with one exception: TV needs an indoor pool for those not-so-perfect days. Some of us like to start the day in the pool.....and it really would not be so nice swimming at 7 AM in cool temps or not-so-nice days. Although, it would wake me the swimmer up!:D
So......how about it, you Survey Takers..........please mention that you'd like an INDOOR POOL. You'd love it!
It's 31 degrees in Western New York this morn. :cold: Bring on TV!:thumbup:

Its 75 degrees in TV.

[swimdawg]

Its 75 degrees in TV.
I'm sooooo jealous.....but happy for you. I'll be there....sooner or later.
Brrrrrrrr!

[jmemc46]

Hello Everyone,
I hope to be a tv owner soon.
I hope you can find a solution to make everyone happy about the pass for a friend of a single resident.It seems to me there must be a way to regulate it.If singles pay the same fees as couples I feel they have a right to bring a date to the dances etc.
Have a nice day
JMEMC :)

[chachacha]

thanks for your comment...you will love living here! i am sure this issue will be addressed sooner or later...

[jebartle]

Will call Eva



If you haven't received a letter yet, they must've missed you in the mailing process somehow. Maybe you're having your mail forwarded to a different address which could cause a delay.

At the bottom of our letter, it says to call Eva Rey if you have any questions or need help - 751-6700. That would be the place to start to find out your access code.

Bill :)