Dogs in the Square and etc.

[josephine71]

I have nothing against dogs but I think the square has more people then they can handle,so I wish that people would leave their dogs home.My friend was walking and stepped into dog doing's. please make your dog do their business on your own property and not on others when you walking your dogs...Thank you

[Bosoxfan]

I see this is your 3rd post.Welcome & I hope you enjoy being here! I am a dog person & once in a while I do bring my German Shepherd to the square. She is very well behaved & if by chance she did her business i would take care of it immediately. Only responsible people should be allowed to own dogs as they are a big responsibility.Sorry your friend happened upon an owner that is irresponsible. Once again welcome!!

[Barefoot]

I have nothing against dogs but I think the square has more people then they can handle,so I wish that people would leave their dogs home.My friend was walking and stepped into dog doing's. please make your dog do their business on your own property and not on others when you walking your dogs...Thank you

Of course people should clean up after their pets, anything else is disgusting!!!

One reason we purchased in TV was that we loved seeing the dogs everywhere! My husband has been working in Canada for the past month. He arrives here Thursday. He just called to ask me "Can we take our two dogs to the Square on Thursday night"? So we'll be there with our little dog "Biggins" and our 70 pound "Lolli Pop"!

[buckscounty]

I am with you, a lot of people are allergic, they have no place down at the square..

[redwitch]

Gee, I'm allergic to most scents. Does that mean that if you make me sneeze you shouldn't be allowed at the squares? Sorry, it is outdoors. No one says they have to touch the dogs. Personally, I love the dogs at the squares, especially the bull mastiff who is walked with his Yorkie buddy.

[K9-Lovers]

I am allergic to lots of things: pollen, strong perfumes, cigarette smoke, and sometimes the screenprinting on t-shirts, and rarely latex. It would be hard to eliminate things that cause allergies for a lot of people from the squares.

[Bosoxfan]

:BigApplause:Gee, I'm allergic to most scents. Does that mean that if you make me sneeze you shouldn't be allowed at the squares? Sorry, it is outdoors. No one says they have to touch the dogs. Personally, I love the dogs at the squares, especially the bull mastiff who is walked with his Yorkie buddy.

:BigApplause::agree:

[Debfrommaine]

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

We kinda love dogs here.

[swimdawg]

We kinda love dogs here.

Whew! Guess I won't be calling my salesperson to cancel my home order!:D

[ajdeck]

I have nothing against dogs but I think the square has more people then they can handle,so I wish that people would leave their dogs home.My friend was walking and stepped into dog doing's. please make your dog do their business on your own property and not on others when you walking your dogs...Thank you


Like everything else, don't blame the dogs blame the owners. Like was said, it's the unresponsible owner that will leave a dropping behind. Same as it's the irresponsible owner that will bring a poorly behaved dog to the square - owner needs to train the dog - the dog does not train the owner.


We are at TV to enjoy ALL parts of what is available, that being friends, mate or pet.

Also, keep in mind some of us pet owners have lost our mate and now our comfort is our pet (who by the way was always there during bad times - who is will be there for you when that time comes).

Just some thoughts but I'm sure I could be wrong...


aj

[katezbox]

Like everything else, don't blame the dogs blame the owners. Like was said, it's the unresponsible owner that will leave a dropping behind. Same as it's the irresponsible owner that will bring a poorly behaved dog to the square - owner needs to train the dog - the dog does not train the owner.


We are at TV to enjoy ALL parts of what is available, that being friends, mate or pet.

Also, keep in mind some of us pet owners have lost our mate and now our comfort is our pet (who by the way was always there during bad times - who is will be there for you when that time comes).

Just some thoughts but I'm sure I could be wrong...


aj

AJ - you brought up a point that I hadn't thought of. I am sorry for your loss, but glad that you have found comfort in your pet.

The entire dogs at the square stuff has been discussed many times - with usually a comment or two by Fumar, who is so far conspicuously absent.

We generally do not bring Finley in the winter, especially on Market nights or when really popular bands are playing. He is a small doggie and a lot of people and a small doggie could equal a stepped-on paw.

Please don't blame those of us who are responsible pet owners for the behavior of a few. And, while I have many allergies, I fail to see how bringing a dog to the squares would set off an allergic reaction unless someone pet a dog or the dog rubbed against them causing a transfer of dander.

Besides, Finley does not shed - (nor does Barefoot's Lolli Pup). Should they be allowed and not, for example, a collie?

[ceejay]

Just some thoughts but I'm sure I could be wrong..
aj
You are 100% correct!:thumbup:

[Talk Host]

What is the exact difference between a "well behaved" and "not well behaved" dog? What are the guidelines?

[graciegirl]

I think a lot depends on whether you basically like dogs or don't like them.

I love dogs, but I don't like them to jump on me. BUT even if they do, I still like them. I don't like owners who let their dogs pee on my Magnolia bush. The dog is not to blame.

I think there are some people who don't like dogs and are a bit afraid of them. To those people, even if the dog sits quietly by its owner, walks beside them, doesn't bark or do anything you might think a bad dog would do, they still don't like them.

I don't own a dog, but I like them. People are kind to let me pet theirs.

[JSR22]

IMO a poorly behaved dog lunges, jumps up and barks at people. They should walk politely on a leash and the owner should have poop bags in their pocket.
Jeanne

[BogeyBoy]

A well behaved dog does not pee on someone's shoe.

(This is the only thing my dog has figured out as proper behavior and I am sure he is well behaved.)

[BogeyBoy]

IMO a poorly behaved dog lunges, jumps up and barks at people. They should walk politely on a leash and the owner should have poop bags in their pocket.
Jeanne

Aha! We are now defining a well behaved owner - right to the core of the matter.

[hdh1470]

AJ - you brought up a point that I hadn't thought of. I am sorry for your loss, but glad that you have found comfort in your pet.

The entire dogs at the square stuff has been discussed many times - with usually a comment or two by Fumar, who is so far conspicuously absent.

We generally do not bring Finley in the winter, especially on Market nights or when really popular bands are playing. He is a small doggie and a lot of people and a small doggie could equal a stepped-on paw.

Please don't blame those of us who are responsible pet owners for the behavior of a few. And, while I have many allergies, I fail to see how bringing a dog to the squares would set off an allergic reaction unless someone pet a dog or the dog rubbed against them causing a transfer of dander.

Besides, Finley does not shed - (nor does Barefoot's Lolli Pup). Should they be allowed and not, for example, a collie?
:BigApplause: I think some need a little common sense I don't take my dog when crowded and I do like to see dogs their but when crowded thats another story.

[jgbama]

Aha! We are now defining a well behaved owner - right to the core of the matter.

We currently have 4 dogs! One things owners forget, especially in public places, is some dogs behave differently and people don't know the temperament of their pet. As a result, most people are very skittish about strange dogs. I know I am, especially when we are down and go to the squares. Example, our son was on the sofa petting one of our pomeranians and had his head low and out of the blue the dog bit him on the mouth - 3 stitches!. He is a well behaved, loving and friendly pet of 11 years. So that is why I'm a little skittish.

So, bottom line - I love dogs, but go to the squares to dance and have a cool one!!! :smiley:

Just my - 2 cents!

[josephine71]

all of you are not getting my point I like dogs they are sweet and loving they bring joy to many of us..I just don't think that the square is a place for any dog when iit is crowed.I went to the parade for st patty day and I was standing there with no place to move around and this lady was behind me with 2 big dogs and passed by me to get on the other side of the street with all the people at the square that day we could have stepped on their paws and hurt the dogs and maybe they would have gone for us to protect themselves this is the only thing that I am concern about.So don't let this post let out of hand...If children are not allowed in certain places and we obey by those rules that should be the same for dogs.....I am sorry this is the way I feel....yes I agree with some of you it is not the dog but the owner that should be in control of where their dog goes...I was sitting in my kitchen looking out the window and this man was walking his dog and the dog made on my next door neigbhor lawn he picked it up but that was a very rude thing to do and he lived only a few houses away from this person.....that's nerve dont you think....

[josephine71]

That is the point that I am trying to bring out to the people in the villages.....Thank you......

[Bogie Shooter]

IMO a poorly behaved dog lunges, jumps up and barks at people. They should walk politely on a leash and the owner should have poop bags in their pocket.
Jeanne

Oh, the joy there must be in carrying around those little bags of poop in your pocket.

[ajdeck]

all of you are not getting my point I like dogs they are sweet and loving they bring joy to many of us..I just don't think that the square is a place for any dog when iit is crowed.I went to the parade for st patty day and I was standing there with no place to move around and this lady was behind me with 2 big dogs and passed by me to get on the other side of the street with all the people at the square that day we could have stepped on their paws and hurt the dogs and maybe they would have gone for us to protect themselves this is the only thing that I am concern about.So don't let this post let out of hand...If children are not allowed in certain places and we obey by those rules that should be the same for dogs.....I am sorry this is the way I feel....yes I agree with some of you it is not the dog but the owner that should be in control of where their dog goes...I was sitting in my kitchen looking out the window and this man was walking his dog and the dog made on my next door neigbhor lawn he picked it up but that was a very rude thing to do and he lived only a few houses away from this person.....that's nerve dont you think....


And I for one (responsable dog owner) would agree with you 100%. If it is so crowded due to special event night or if I arrived with my dog and saw a over crowded condition I would either take the dog home or keep her in my golf cart that night.

Once again blame the owner for not being responsible, I think most of us are saying that. We do understand and if the owners were responsible they would not have their dog in that condition for the dogs safety as well as for others.

We do understand and just are hoping you are understanding what we are trying to say to you but to all dog owners as well.

Thanks, hope we all are on the same track now.

aj

[ilovetv]

I am a dog owner and I love dogs and like seeing them at the squares, but I often wonder if certain dogs there would lunge or bite. Some of those dogs' owners act like they LIKE having others feel a bit intimidated.

This problem reminds me a lot of no-smoking laws recently enacted.

Some smokers are courteous and do not smoke like a chimney at the table right next to you in a restaurant when you're trying to eat the meal you paid good money for. But the ones who DO/DID that caused enough ruination of other people's right to a pleasant atmosphere that voters approved the no-smoking laws now in place in various states/localities.

This dog situation, like public smoking, is a question of the "rights" of a few proudly militant dog owners who force their dogs onto other people who have good reason to fear dogs from past, real experience; or who force their dogs onto TV visitors, guests and residents who do not consider stepping in manure to be a necessary part of enjoying the totally unique atmosphere at the town squares.

Apologies and statements from "responsible" dog owners do little to avert the problem of a person who does get bitten or who steps in manure and their whole outing is ruined and they have to go home or buy new shoes at VanHuesen if they're open.

Maybe TV could start by prohibiting dogs there during certain peak hours when there are more crowds, during busiest winter months. Letters need to be written.

[josephine71]

I am sorry but I still think that dogs belong home while the owners are out having a good time at the town square..And remember I have nothing against dogs....It is just not the place for dogs.Maybe you should no my reason My husband and I were walking in Ridgewood New Jersey going to the movies and there was this man talking to his friends holding his dog my his leash when this dog jumped and wanted to attact me if his owner didnt pull him back he would have hurt me bad he was a big dog and the owner said to me he never did that before maybe not but he did it that time......

[K9-Lovers]

We currently have 4 dogs! One things owners forget, especially in public places, is some dogs behave differently and people don't know the temperament of their pet. As a result, most people are very skittish about strange dogs. I know I am, especially when we are down and go to the squares. Example, our son was on the sofa petting one of our pomeranians and had his head low and out of the blue the dog bit him on the mouth - 3 stitches!. He is a well behaved, loving and friendly pet of 11 years. So that is why I'm a little skittish.

So, bottom line - I love dogs, but go to the squares to dance and have a cool one!!! :smiley:

Just my - 2 cents!

Because this is highly unusual behavior for this pet, please take your dog to the vet and have the dog's ears checked for an infection. Also have the dog's teeth checked for an impacted tooth or other painful dental problems. Many times, pain in or around the head will cause an otherwise mellow and peaceful dog to react just that way.

[graciegirl]

I am a dog owner and I love dogs and like seeing them at the squares, but I often wonder if certain dogs there would lunge or bite. Some of those dogs' owners act like they LIKE having others feel a bit intimidated.

This problem reminds me a lot of no-smoking laws recently enacted.

Some smokers are courteous and do not smoke like a chimney at the table right next to you in a restaurant when you're trying to eat the meal you paid good money for. But the ones who DO/DID that caused enough ruination of other people's right to a pleasant atmosphere that voters approved the no-smoking laws now in place in various states/localities.

This dog situation, like public smoking, is a question of the "rights" of a few proudly militant dog owners who force their dogs onto other people who have good reason to fear dogs from past, real experience; or who force their dogs onto TV visitors, guests and residents who do not consider stepping in manure to be a necessary part of enjoying the totally unique atmosphere at the town squares.

Apologies and statements from "responsible" dog owners do little to avert the problem of a person who does get bitten or who steps in manure and their whole outing is ruined and they have to go home or buy new shoes at VanHuesen if they're open.

Maybe TV could start by prohibiting dogs there during certain peak hours when there are more crowds, during busiest winter months. Letters need to be written.

You had me under your spell until the "Letters need to be written." part. IN FACT, I am still under your spell. I think you are right. Except for I like dogs at the squares.

There is no person that I know of to whom you can right such a letter....and feel that having done so that the authorities have been told of your feelings and/or that they have been told and something will change...

That is how it is in a CDD form of government.

This is NOT a democracy here in The Villages.

Plus...I like dogs at the squares. I like them walking by my house. I like them peeking at me from golf carts.

[K9-Lovers]

I'm afraid if a letter-writing campaign were begun to keep dogs away from the squares, an opposing letter-writing campaign would begin from those who prefer dogs' presence at the squares . . . don't you think?

[Bogie Shooter]

You had me under your spell until the "Letters need to be written." part. IN FACT, I am still under your spell. I think you are right.

There is no person that I know of to whom you can right such a letter....and feel that having done so that the authorities have been told of your feelings and/or that they have been told and something will change...

That is how it is in a CDD form of government.

This is NOT a democracy here in The Villages.

Somehow there was effort to get dog parks put in, wouldn't the same work for no dogs on the squares?

[red tail]

I am a dog owner and I love dogs and like seeing them at the squares, but I often wonder if certain dogs there would lunge or bite. Some of those dogs' owners act like they LIKE having others feel a bit intimidated.

This problem reminds me a lot of no-smoking laws recently enacted.

Some smokers are courteous and do not smoke like a chimney at the table right next to you in a restaurant when you're trying to eat the meal you paid good money for. But the ones who DO/DID that caused enough ruination of other people's right to a pleasant atmosphere that voters approved the no-smoking laws now in place in various states/localities.

This dog situation, like public smoking, is a question of the "rights" of a few proudly militant dog owners who force their dogs onto other people who have good reason to fear dogs from past, real experience; or who force their dogs onto TV visitors, guests and residents who do not consider stepping in manure to be a necessary part of enjoying the totally unique atmosphere at the town squares.

Apologies and statements from "responsible" dog owners do little to avert the problem of a person who does get bitten or who steps in manure and their whole outing is ruined and they have to go home or buy new shoes at VanHuesen if they're open.

Maybe TV could start by prohibiting dogs there during certain peak hours when there are more crowds, during busiest winter months. Letters need to be written.

letters need to be written to send the 'old fogies' back north where they came from!

[Pturner]

Hi Josephine71,
Welcome! One of TV's attributes is that it's a dog-friendly community. Dogs are allowed on the squares. Those are the rules. Much as I enjoy seeing dogs on the squares, I do not take my own because he is small and could be stepped on or trip someone.

It is true that some dog owners don't always use good judgement. It is equally true that some non-pet owners don't use good judgement. Some drive too fast, don't enter and exit the roundabouts properly, deprive attending patrons by saving rows of prime seats at popular events for people who aren't there, are rude to others or don't play ready golf.

None of this is the fault of the rules. Likewise, your friend stepped in dog poop not because there's anything wrong with the rules but because some selfish, entitled person failed to follow them.

Pun intended, that's usually why sh** happen. :D

[Irish Rover]

Thank God there are still dog lovers in TV. I get a real kick out of seeing the dogs in the squares and in TV in general. We plan on having our dog with us whenever we are there which is a couple (or a few) months a each year.
If you really want to complain about something, sit behind or near a lady or guy in the theatres after they have dipped themselves in some obnoxious scent. Tha's as bad as stepping in dog do, maybe even worse.
Just my humble opinion.
Irish:D

[skyguy79]

As a few of you know I get around using a mobility scooter and transport it in a mobility equiped vehicle. If or when a dog poops, my scooter's tires don't care if its from a responsible or irresponsible owner's dog and neither do I. If I accidentally roll over some of the semi-dry chocolate pudding and don't realize it, I could later wind up getting it not only on my tires, but on my vehicle's ramp and on the carpet inside the vehicle, not to mention on myself.

Back when I first got a mobility scooter I did run over some of the stuff that wasn't picked up by the dogs owner. When I used a hose to try and wash it off, some spray got up under the motor cover and ruined the motor. I went without a scooter while I had to wait for the replacement to be shipped to me.

Another problem I could encounter is if a dog, under control or not, decided that my ankle or leg looked like a big tasty bone and took a sample taste. This could trigger months of painful ulcerations that I'm prone to and have suffered from, on and off for years. Believe me, if you experience the pain I've gone through because of ulcerations, you would most likely feel the same as I do about this.

Having said this I want to emphasize that I'm not in favor of banning dogs from the towne squares. Heaven knows I too love the little critters and enjoy petting their heads and chins when I run across one being walked in my Village or when going to our mailbox... if I can safely do so. However, I do wish dog owners, responsible or not, would stop and think about whether their optional choice to bring fido with them to the squares, when it's busy, is so important or necessary that it's worth the potential problems that could be created by their very presence.

If a dog owner feels it's worth the risk of exposing others to these kinds of problems, as well as the potential that exists for liability, then by all means they can bring their little cutties. But if they care for others and feel it's not worth the risks, then they should walk fido at the many other places possible around TV or leave them home and bring them back a nice treat. Today, the choice is yours to bring or not bring your dog to the towne squares. But in the future, if irresponsibility starts to overshadow responsibility... rule changes won't be very far away!

[ilovetv]

You had me under your spell until the "Letters need to be written." part. IN FACT, I am still under your spell. I think you are right. Except for I like dogs at the squares.

There is no person that I know of to whom you can right such a letter....and feel that having done so that the authorities have been told of your feelings and/or that they have been told and something will change...

That is how it is in a CDD form of government.

This is NOT a democracy here in The Villages.

Plus...I like dogs at the squares. I like them walking by my house. I like them peeking at me from golf carts.

I like dogs at the squares, too! But I truly have seen owners who seem to like it that their dog is a "big dog" that can seem intimidating.....(big in attitude, not necessarily size)....

I like the dogs at the squares.....but not such attitude from owners.

[graciegirl]

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[rubicon]

dogs, I am afraid of dogs but only four kinds big ones, little ones, alive ones, dead ones:BigApplause: To my way of thinking it is unkind to the dog to place them in a such a position as an overcrowed square. It is unfair to people who may not see this little creature and end up tripping over it. And it is unfair because of the situations similar to what has been described by skyguy. Do dog owners believe that their dogs are grooving to the music? Or do they believe their dog may have an opportunity to hook up to a cutie pooch? Are these dog owners frustrated "dog show" wanntabes strutting their "best in show" dog? Really take stock and examine why people go to the town square. Hint it is not to meet your dog.

[TednRobin]

dogs, I am afraid of dogs but only four kinds big ones, little ones, alive ones, dead ones:BigApplause: To my way of thinking it is unkind to the dog to place them in a such a position as an overcrowed square. It is unfair to people who may not see this little creature and end up tripping over it. And it is unfair because of the situations similar to what has been described by skyguy. Do dog owners believe that their dogs are grooving to the music? Or do they believe their dog may have an opportunity to hook up to a cutie pooch? Are these dog owners frustrated "dog show" wanntabes strutting their "best in show" dog? Really take stock and examine why people go to the town square. Hint it is not to meet your dog.

I have to say I have a dog who loves to dance. If we play msic at home he "asks" us to dance. He loves it. When at the square(if it's not a real busy night) we take Merlin with us. He is perfectly behaved and loves to slow dance between us.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have to say I have a dog who loves to dance. If we play msic at home he "asks" us to dance. He loves it. When at the square(if it's not a real busy night) we take Merlin with us. He is perfectly behaved and loves to slow dance between us.
Does he like an occasional martini between dances?:rolleyes:

[ljones190]

Hi Josephine71,
Welcome! One of TV's attributes is that it's a dog-friendly community. Dogs are allowed on the squares. Those are the rules. Much as I enjoy seeing dogs on the squares, I do not take my own because he is small and could be stepped on or trip someone.

It is true that some dog owners don't always use good judgement. It is equally true that some non-pet owners don't use good judgement. Some drive too fast, don't enter and exit the roundabouts properly, deprive attending patrons by saving rows of prime seats at popular events for people who aren't there, are rude to others or don't play ready golf.

None of this is the fault of the rules. Likewise, your friend stepped in dog poop not because there's anything wrong with the rules but because some selfish, entitled person failed to follow them.

Pun intended, that's usually why sh** happen. :D

Great points, I agree. We would never be able to have any fun if all rules were made for the irresponsible few.

[rubicon]

TednRobin:doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie:H ow much is that doggie in the window:D It must be entertaining. Good luck with pooch:smiley:

[downeaster]

Ready for my two cents worth? I thought not but here goes anyway. I am a former dog owner. I like well mannered dogs. It is a sign of a well mannered owner. Well mannered dogs are welcome anywhere I am.
Banning dogs at the square would be unfair to those who are responsible dog owners. I will tolerate the irresponsible although I feel sorry for their dogs.
Banning dogs would have to be a joint effort between the VCCD and Lady Lake or Sumter County. The streets are public. Inside the square is not.
Banning dogs would send a very negative message to potential buyers. Not only to dog owners but it would say to me that if they can ban dogs there is no telling what other mischief they can cause. Ban cats, kids, in-laws or anything that walks flies or swims? Nope. Won't work. Bad idea. If dogs were banned I am afraid The Villages would become a ghost town.
BTW, as far as I know there is no cure for irresponsibility.

[josephine71]

I see this is a ever losing battle,people don't matter.....

[ceejay]

:1rotfl:Oh, the joy there must be in carrying around those little bags of poop in your pocket.

:a20: Thank you for my evening laugh, Bogie Shooter! :a20:

[TednRobin]

TednRobin:doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie:H ow much is that doggie in the window:D It must be entertaining. Good luck with pooch:smiley:

:doggie: :smiley:

[Uptown Girl]

I wasn't going to stick my two cents in, but changed my mind, wanting to add to this great partial quote below: Thanks Irish!

[QUOTE=Irish Rover;
If you really want to complain about something, sit behind or near a lady or guy in the theatres after they have dipped themselves in some obnoxious scent. Tha's as bad as stepping in dog do, maybe even worse.
Just my humble opinion.
Irish:D[/QUOTE]

I love well mannered, well kept doggies of any kind. Same with children and adults. If I am hemmed in by ANY obnoxious intrusion, or feel unsafe in an area, rather than sit there disgruntled and spoil my outing by being ticked off, or sit there tolerating something I can't stand (while my stomach turns) I finally learned do something nice for myself and move to a more suitable spot.
Yep, I might have to give up an ideal view, so what. I consider moving away from the offending whatever, a gift to myself that I have control over. And I get over the rest and enjoy my outing.
You can't 'enlighten' anyone who doesn't want to be enlightened, or who walks this earth unconscious. It's the old 'pounding the square peg in the round hole' trick.
As far as poop is concerned, I just watch carefully where I place my feetsies.... keeps me out of holes, too. :D

[skyguy79]

If dogs were banned I am afraid The Villages would become a ghost town.As I said previously, I'm not in favor of banning dogs from the squares BUT... don't you think that the above statement is an extreme case of hyperbole? I really don't think the vast majority of people decide to come to TV just because they can bring their pooches to the squares... or did they? http://www.en.kolobok.us/content_images/emotes/big_kolobok/scratch_one-s_head.gif

I have to say I have a dog who loves to dance. If we play msic at home he "asks" us to dance. He loves it. When at the square(if it's not a real busy night) we take Merlin with us. He is perfectly behaved and loves to slow dance between us.Video please! http://www.timelessgaming.com/timeless/forum/images/smilies/Kolo%20popcorm1.gif

[Skybo]

What exactly are ya’ll referring to when you say the “town squares”? Do you mean mainly the music/dancing area, or do you mean the entire “town” area, including the streets and the shopping/dining/park areas? Please forgive my ignorance...I’ve only visited TV once.

And once was enough. We came home and put our house on the market and are anxiously waiting for the day that we will be Villagers.

I have two small friendly dogs. I realize that some people are afraid of dogs, don’t like them, have allergies, etc. I never let my dogs approach someone unless that person expresses an interest in meeting them. I don’t let them walk on other people’s property and I always immediately pick up their poop, even if it’s in my own yard.

I would leave them home if I were going to an event that was really crowded, but in general, being able to take my dogs (just about) everywhere is one of the main reasons I want to move to TV. I know it may sound silly to some folks, but being with my dogs is among my greatest joys. And going out in public with me seems to make them pretty darned happy too. If dogs were banned from public areas, I would not be nearly as enamored with TV.

[K9-Lovers]

If dogs were banned from public areas, I would not be nearly as enamored with TV.

Ditto. I love taking my dogs to some of the restaurants that allow pets on the patio for outdoor dining. The dogs love the entertainment of people watching. And, it seems, most people like to see our dogs.

[downeaster]

I see this is a ever losing battle,people don't matter.....

People do matter, Josephine. People with dogs and people without dogs matter. People who like dogs and people who dislike dogs matter. They all matter but finding a solution that will fit all sizes make it appear some may not matter.
Like you, I wish dog owners would train their dogs to deposit on their own property. It can be done as I have done it. I have had to tell a neighbor twice to not let his dogs do their thing on my property. He now lets them do it on another neighbor's property. I have another neighbor whose dogs start barking as soon as I step out my front door. I feel sorry for some of the dogs I see at the squares. I don't believe banning them is practical and, as I said in an earlier post, you can't cure irresponsibility.
I understand your frustration but there are some things we can't change. Sometimes we just grin and bear it.
BTW, I see you are a relatively new poster. Don't let this foray into our midst discourage you.

[Regor]

I love dogs. But why do other dog lovers put their beloved pets through misery? I challenge anyone to walk around barefoot on the hot cement/blacktop that surrounds the squares. Dogs and other animals feet can withstand the cold but when the sun has been beating down all day on the pavement and these people bring a dog to an event that the dog really doesn't have any interest in, they may be in pain! Be nice to your pets, let them stay at home where it is cooler, people don't trample them and they can get a much needed nap!

[Tweety Bird]

Each dog and owner have their own personalities. Dog and owner are either well trained or ill-trained. Only the OWNER knows if FIDO can handle crowds. Only the OWNER can know if FIDO needs to poop 3 times before coming to the square so that FIDO doesn't poop inappropriately because his balls, excuse me, his BOWELS were moved by the excitement when meeting a Fidoette! Personally we take our Fido in the golf cart and keep him from all these large, looming adults that might step on him. Mine would get too nervous and probably poop a fourth time due to the excitement. And, I don't like cleaning steamy poop up in a plastic baggy. In otherwords, it's a case by case situation. IMHO! People get so turned on by holding their Fidoette while dancing with them. Why take that little bit of joy from the owner? Now..actually, I think a dance with a huge German Shephard would be quite interesting???? :D

[katezbox]

People do matter, Josephine. People with dogs and people without dogs matter. People who like dogs and people who dislike dogs matter. They all matter but finding a solution that will fit all sizes make it appear some may not matter.
Like you, I wish dog owners would train their dogs to deposit on their own property. It can be done as I have done it. I have had to tell a neighbor twice to not let his dogs do their thing on my property. He now lets them do it on another neighbor's property. I have another neighbor whose dogs start barking as soon as I step out my front door. I feel sorry for some of the dogs I see at the squares. I don't believe banning them is practical and, as I said in an earlier post, you can't cure irresponsibility.
I understand your frustration but there are some things we can't change. Sometimes we just grin and bear it.
BTW, I see you are a relatively new poster. Don't let this foray into our midst discourage you.

Well said...:BigApplause:

[K9-Lovers]

I challenge anyone to walk around barefoot on the hot cement/blacktop ... when the sun has been beating down all day on the pavement ... , they may be in pain!

This is true. So many times I have seen people walking dogs on black asphalt in the middle of summer. As politely as possible (in my shock and dismay), I approach those folks and ask them to try the pavement out on their own feet before they ask their dog to do so. Sometimes, these dogs are yanking on the leash, trying to get to a spot of grass, and the people are getting angry at the poor pup cause he's not walking nicely as usual. THINK, PEOPLE!

[ilovetv]

I do like seeing dogs at the square but as I said above, some can be intimidating.

Several people here tell the starter of this thread that people do matter ("more than animals" is what I think josephine has tried to say), but it's not very convincing.

Why is it that children and young adults--even up to age 30--can be banned from using the adult pools and sport pools because of annoyance and disruption to adults enjoying those pools and decks, but yet the idea of banning dogs from the squares' seating/dancing area is met with such anger and condescension toward the person who started this thread?

[K9-Lovers]

Maybe I'm missing something.....but I haven't read anything that smacks of anger or condescension. Just people expressing, very kindly and nicely, a different point of view.

Hmmmm.

[Barefoot]

I would leave them home if I were going to an event that was really crowded, but in general, being able to take my dogs (just about) everywhere is one of the main reasons I want to move to TV. I know it may sound silly to some folks, but being with my dogs is among my greatest joys. And going out in public with me seems to make them pretty darned happy too. If dogs were banned from public areas, I would not be nearly as enamored with TV.

Skybo, it doesn't sound silly to me at all that being with your dogs is among your greatest joys. A lot of us feel the same way. (And I agree that dogs have no place at crowded events).

As I said previously, I'm not in favor of banning dogs from the squares BUT... don't you think that the above statement is an extreme case of hyperbole? I really don't think the vast majority of people decide to come to TV just because they can bring their pooches to the squares... or did they?



We purchased in The Villages because it is an extremely pet-friendly community, and we love animals. I agree that the vast majority of people probably don't decide to come to TV because they can bring their dogs to the Squares. But I'll bet a lot of people bought in TV because they were seeking a pet-friendly environment.



Also, keep in mind some of us pet owners have lost our mate and now our comfort is our pet (who by the way was always there during bad times - who is will be there for you when that time comes). aj

And there are some of us that feel dogs are an integral part of our family.



This dog situation, like public smoking, is a question of the "rights" of a few proudly militant dog owners who force their dogs onto other people who have good reason to fear dogs from past, real experience; or who force their dogs onto TV visitors, guests and residents who do not consider stepping in manure to be a necessary part of enjoying the totally unique atmosphere at the town squares.

I have never, ever seen anyone force their dog onto other people. But I have seen people flocking around dogs to ask questions and pat them. Many retirees don't have pets anymore but just love to see and touch them.

Dog owners who force their dogs onto other people? When I take my large dog, Lolli Pop, to the Square, I can guarantee that at least 30 people will approach me and ask for perrmission to pat her. She is friendly and loves attention; and those who ask to pat her are delighted with her affection.

Stepping in manure at the Squares? In four years I've never seen manure at either of the Squares. But I have stepped in ice cream cones dropped by kids.

[Jhooman]

We have two little Yorkshire Terriers Sammy and Lilly. They are high strung little creatures when they are around crowds. We would not bring them to the squares because Lilly would pee her brains out and usually on me.

But I love seeing the dogs at the squares and I have never stepped in manure or encountered a rude dog or dog owner. Thats what I find intriguing about the TV is the textures of people and their pets.

I don't want to live in a complete sterile environment. Before deciding on the TV, we did some extensive research on planned 55+ communities. Many of the communities we researched were so riddled with rules, I could feel the coldness. I want rules, but not hard core rigid rules that suppress people from from being free to express themselves.

Some people want rules for everything, they feel more secure with rules. The thing that attracted me about TV is the joy for living. God knows we are in our last stages of life and let's live it up, let's pet a dog, pet a cat or even pet the ex husband, not really.

Im in favor of having dogs in the squares as long as the owner is reponsible for their care.

It's not going to stop me from dancing, clapping or singing out of tune. I'm going to let go and just be darn grateful we found a community that loves living as much as I do.

There's a saying- Don't sweat the small stuff. It's all about our perception. Get out there and enjoy your day, I know I am.:thumbup:

[K9-Lovers]

:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:Jhooman -- you just put me in a GREAT mood! Thanks

[Barefoot]

Jhooman, what a refreshing and sunny post. You have a great attitude.:thumbup: You're right ... we don't have time in our Golden years to sweat the small stuff!

[katezbox]

:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:Jhooman -- you just put me in a GREAT mood! Thanks

Me too!!!!!:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[josephine71]

Yes we have no time to waste we have to enjoy our golden years so please leave your dogs home when we are trying to enjoy ourseleves at the square so we don't have to worry about stepping on a dog's paw or moving out of the way because some of us might be afraid of big dogs think about oithers and not of yourselves.. give me a break people did you ever ask your dog if he or she wants to go to the square and dance ..I know that I have no chance of winning with all of you that own dogs this is my chocie to speak out...and I did....Have a great day in the Villages.....

[K9-Lovers]

Yes we have no time to waste we have to enjoy our golden years so please leave your dogs home when we are trying to enjoy ourseleves at the square so we don't have to worry about stepping on a dog's paw or moving out of the way because some of us might be afraid of big dogs think about oithers and not of yourselves.. give me a break people did you ever ask your dog if he or she wants to go to the square and dance ..I know that I have no chance of winning with all of you that own dogs this is my chocie to speak out...and I did....Have a great day in the Villages.....

Thanks for joining in the conversation Josephine71. Most everyone here likes to hear from folks with a variety of opinions. I look forward to reading your posts about other subjects in the future.:smiley:

[JohnN]

LOL.. 62 posts and going.

I love dogs, love 'em to death. I don't really think the square is a good place for them. Just my opinion.

[Tbugs]

I am a full time resident and spend several evenings a month at Lake Sumter Landing. Personally, I love seeing the dogs there. I have not seen dog poop anywhere there, have not seen aggressive dogs there, nor have I seen people acting afraid of the dogs.

I did see a little child, though, cause an injury to a lady who was dancing. The child was running unsupervised in the dance area and during a fast dance, the lady had to step back real quickly to avoid stepping on the child, turned real quick and tore her ACL muscle in the leg.

Never seen that with a dog.

[josephine71]

A dog can do the same thing......

[schotzyb]

A dog can do the same thing......

Less likely since dogs are required to be on a leash.

[Barefoot]

Yes we have no time to waste we have to enjoy our golden years so please leave your dogs home when we are trying to enjoy ourseleves at the square

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[skyguy79]

I am a full time resident and spend several evenings a month at Lake Sumter Landing. Personally, I love seeing the dogs there. I have not seen dog poop anywhere there, have not seen aggressive dogs there, nor have I seen people acting afraid of the dogs.

I did see a little child, though, cause an injury to a lady who was dancing. The child was running unsupervised in the dance area and during a fast dance, the lady had to step back real quickly to avoid stepping on the child, turned real quick and tore her ACL muscle in the leg.


Never seen that with a dog.I have only been to the squares four times in my short stay at TV and I must say that I too love seeing dogs and petting them if I get a chance. However I'd like to ask a few questions of those who have dogs and like to take them to the squares:
Tbugs: Have you seen another at the squares using a mobility scooter? Just a yes or no will do.
On a scooter, the user needs to backup sometimes and must do so because they are blocked from moving forward. In backing up there is a blind spot area behind them. If the driver of the scooter backs up thinking all's clear and hits and injures a dog, and assuming it's a busy day, is it the scooter operators fault the dog was hit or is it the fault of the dogs owner for bringing the pet into a busy area where the chance of this is greater than when it's not busy?
If the dog reacts to the scooter like they sometimes naturally do with autos and winds up biting my leg sending me into months of pain and suffering, (my legs won't heal anywheres near as quick as it would for most people) is it my fault for wanting to enjoy the square like everyone else, or is it the fault of the dogs owner for either bringing the dog into a crowded area or not having it under proper control?
Should I deny myself the use of the square just because of the above situations I've stated?
Now there is no need for anyone to answer any of these questions if they don't want to. It's not my intention to put anyone on the spot. (pun unintended) It is my intention to again bring these points to peoples attention and for them to think about how there is more to this issue than just ones right to bring their pets on busy days if they chose to.

One more thing... if you do bring your dog to the squares, busy or not, please make sure to take special percautions if you do see me or anybody else in a mobility scooter or a motorized wheel chair. Also don't let your dog approach someone in one of these vehicles until or unless they have somehow shown you it's ok to approach. After all, most of us in this situation do love your sweety-poos (pun intended) and would like a chance to give them the attention they are usually looking for... unless of course it's Fumar setting up a trap. :a20:

[K9-Lovers]

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Again, very disciplined, Bare. As I'm sure your dogs are, too.

I am learning from your good example.

[graciegirl]

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[graciegirl]

Josephine.

You posted this earlier.

sephine71
Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011
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Like I said before I will never win because there are to many dog lovers I feel they don't belong in the square and this will be my last remark on dogs ....It makes me think that people love dogs more then they love people and thats alright ....I love dogs but I love people more

[K9-Lovers]

Thanks Skyguy for reminding everyone that some people can be seriously injured by the things others don't even notice.

Those who bring dogs to the squares when they are crowded must also be mindful that many people have very sensitive and thin skin that is easily injured. So a fall, or a playful paw on a leg can turn into a very serious flesh wound.

Again, responsible pet ownership is necessary for everyone to enjoy their visit to the squares.

[Barefoot]

I just went on the website "www.freekibble.com" (which I do daily) because answering their daily question means that they donate kibble to humane societies.

The question today was "How many companies in the US allow employees to bring their dogs to work?". And the answer was "One in five US companies let employees bring dogs to work. Studies show that the humans are happier and more productive".

I'm not saying this is true, or that I think it is a good idea. But obviously times are changing! :024::doggie:

[FMF Doc]

Can't wait to move there, sounds like this place is going to the dogs! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[K9-Lovers]

But obviously times are changing! :024::doggie:

In my opinion, times are a changin' for the better!
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/aboutolou/lovemydog.jpg

[Tbugs]

SkyGuy,

I have seen some individuals on powered chairs, etc at both squares. They seem to have a good time. Hope to see you someday at one of the squares.

Have you run over a dog with your chair or scooter in a crowd? I would hate to do that and I bet you were plenty shocked if that happened to you. Dog bites are another matter, too. I have not seen a dog go after a power chair or scooter but it sounds as though it has happened to you. I can understand your apprehension of being around dogs after getting bitten while on your power chair. Hope you healed up and the medical bills were taken care of by the dog's owner.

On that same matter (not the biting), it would be very easy to run a power chair into or over the feet of a child who was running around unsupervised. Can you imagine the reaction of the parent or grandparent to the scooter operator?

A dog at the square will be on a leash and not running around unsupervised. I am not against bringing children to the entertainment - things do go wrong sometimes when the children are not closely supervised.

SkyGuy, hope everything goes good with you and that you will enjoy the squares and the entertainment.

[Barefoot]

On a scooter, the user needs to backup sometimes and must do so because they are blocked from moving forward. In backing up there is a blind spot area behind them. If the driver of the scooter backs up thinking all's clear and hits and injures a dog, and assuming it's a busy day, is it the scooter operators fault the dog was hit or is it the fault of the dogs owner for bringing the pet into a busy area where the chance of this is greater than when it's not busy?

Skyguy, I do understand your concerns, I really do. But I just have to ask a question. You said that in backing up there is a blind spot behind a scooter and you could potentially hit a dog. Is there a potential for also hitting a small child? I'm assuming you have some kind of beeping back-up sound, and that people would make sure they give you a clear space to back up.

[K9-Lovers]

Skyguy, if you can't see behind you, lots of things could happen. In fact, you could injure yourself. Why not invest in a rearview mirror for your motorized chair?
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[katezbox]

SkyGuy's posts remind me of something we learned when Finley was in Puppy Obedience. The instructor - who has amazing skills with dogs - pointed out to us that doggy behavior can be situational. For example, just because a dog has a perfect response to recall in your house or yard, don't assume the same will happen in a place with more distractions.

She also encouraged us to take our puppies (on a short, loose leash) to places where they would meet people with walkers, in wheel chairs, on Rollerblades etc. This way the puppy would learn not to be afraid and not to misbehave in those situations.

[Jhooman]

Hey SkyGuy,

It's time for the posse to come to your aid. When I get to the TV, you give me a call and I'll be your personal guide, I'll have my squirt gun loaded or better yet, I'll borrow Redwitch's bazooka water missile. If dog or human steps in your way, they will be blown away with a doze of water, they will never be the same.

All kidding aside, it's tough being in a chair and hopefully the gracious people of TV are considerate. The times I've been to the squares, people are cool until they start dancing and we start sweating, now that's a different matter.

God bless you SkyGuy and seriously when I get there I'm picking your rear up and we are hitting the squares.:police::police::police::police::police:

[skyguy79]

Have you run over a dog with your chair or scooter in a crowd?

No! Not having happened to me personally doesn't mean it can't or doesn't happen.

On that same matter (not the biting), it would be very easy to run a power chair into or over the feet of a child who was running around unsupervised. Can you imagine the reaction of the parent or grandparent to the scooter operator?

Having had 7 years of experience driving a mobility scooter I have to disagree with the idea that it would be very easy to run over a child's feet. I would however say that it's highly unlikely unless the operator is so self-centered and they don't care if anyone's in their way. Besides, the child is pretty much visible even if they are running by the back of my scooter. The movement can be detected by perferal vision. Besides, I don't back up that fast or that carelessly and a child doing this would be highly likely to be out of my path by the time I did back up!

Also, I could imagine the reaction of the parent or grandparent. In situations like that many people don't want to accept or admit their share of the responsibility for what happened and try to deflect all the blame on others when that opportunity avails itself!


Skyguy, I do understand your concerns, I really do. But I just have to ask a question. You said that in backing up there is a blind spot behind a scooter and you could potentially hit a dog. Is there a potential for also hitting a small child?

Maybe an insignificant one because a child is not usually as short as a small dog and if they were they would be tottlers. I couldn't imagine a parent or guardian being irresponsible enough to allow a tottler to crawl around on the ground of a crowded area and not be holding them or having them in a carrier of some sort. But, it could happen even though it's much less likely than with a dog!


I can also say that when it's me backing up, I take it slow and as carefully as I'm able to do and would most likely not injure the child or pet behind me, but I can say that it would be that way for others! If you can't buy that idea, just look at how operators of cars,trucks and golf carts drive their vehicles; some drive forward and backup slowly and carefully, then there are those that go in either direction like a bat out of h***! I live on a cul de sac in TV and even there, I witnessed it happing from my den just about every day before I headed back north for the summer!

I'm assuming you have some kind of beeping back-up sound, and that people would make sure they give you a clear space to back up.

No! I've never seen a mobility scooter or wheel chair that is equipped with a backup warning beeper. Scooters do have a horn but I've found the sound they produce usually cannot be heard over existing sound levels by those that you are trying to get attention from; sometime it's even true when things are quiet. Frequently, others that are with those individuals that can see me usually grab them gently by the arm and prompt them to move out of the way. All this is not saying that backup warning beepers don't exist, but I've never seen or heard of one!

I also want to add here that people are pretty good in their consideration of someone in my situation. I can't even remember an instant where they were not, even with my forgetfulness!



Why not invest in a rearview mirror for your motorized chair?

I have a mirror on one of my two scooters, but that mirror can see even less of the blind spot because either my arm and/or body blocks the view.
I think I've answered all your questions in red within the quotes because of multiple questions. But now that I have answered those questions, I must say that I find it interesting that no one answered any of mine! True I said you didn't have to, but I wonder why no one did. Anyway, don't bother to do so now.

Instead please answer these questions: Why is it so important that people bring their pets to the squares when it busy? Do they have to have the company or companionship of their presence 24/7 and if so why? Can't they enjoy the squares without them? Is having them there more important (or even anywhere close to it) than the safety of people in my situation and condition? I can't imagine it being so! And I don't want to hear about comparing the bring of children. I'm not talking about children; I'm talking about dogs! I also remind all that I'm NOT talking about times when the squares are quiet, but rather when the squares are BUSY!

If these questions can't be answered, then I'm afraid I'll have to rethink my opinion that pets should be allowed at the squares, at least during busy times, because it will then appear that people are espousing a position of entitlement by putting the pleasure of some over the safety of others!

[JeffBorn]

Folks we all have likes and dislikes and that will never change. A few of the dangers in the scenarios recently expressed are possible but not probable. Much of the discussion in my opinion falls under the category "If you expect to be offended you will rarely be disappointed". I've been following the various anti dog discussions as well as many others for the several months I have been a member of TOTV. I must say that as owner's of two <5lb chiuahahs my wife and I have a heightened awareness when visiting the squares. I do not let my dogs near grassy areas or linger near the shrubbery. We come prepared for eventualities should they occur, but thankfully do not because we walk the dogs prior. When we are in a crowded area my wife and I each carry one of the dogs to protect them from unknowing feet. People for the most part seem to be so pleased to see our dogs that it is a joy to see their smiles. When my children were young I would occasionally encounter individuals that were less than pleased that they were seated in a restaurant next my young family. I made no apologies for letting my children enjoy what life has to offer and I will not apolpogize for enjoying my dogs in public. We look forward to moving into our newly completed home next week and if you see an atttractive redhead with two little dogs I'll be the guy with her and yes you can pet our dogs.

[skyguy79]

Hey SkyGuy,

It's time for the posse to come to your aid. When I get to the TV, you give me a call and I'll be your personal guide, I'll have my squirt gun loaded or better yet, I'll borrow Redwitch's bazooka water missile. If dog or human steps in your way, they will be blown away with a doze of water, they will never be the same.

All kidding aside, it's tough being in a chair and hopefully the gracious people of TV are considerate. The times I've been to the squares, people are cool until they start dancing and we start sweating, now that's a different matter.

God bless you SkyGuy and seriously when I get there I'm picking your rear up and we are hitting the squares.:police::police::police::police::police:Th anks for responding J, but I do want to make one thing clear. I'm not in a chair and don't want to give anyone a false impression that I am. My situation is that I cannot walk very far, but I can walk. In the house usually without assistance until I tire later in the day or feeling weak... then the cane; from the curb in front of a restaurant or some handicapped parking spaces, again the cane or maybe the scooter. Anythng further either I don't go there or I drop the power ramp and unload my scooter from my mobility equipped Uplander. The squares are definitely scooter land to me!

BTW, when you see me I can garantee that you won't be picking me up... if you cherish your back that is! :a20:

[Tbugs]

Well, SkyGuy, I thought I was actually being compassionate when I stated I had seen people in power chairs or scooters at the squares and hoped to see you there sometime. It was in that same line of thinking that I said I understood your feelings when you were bitten by a dog who attacked your power scooter - but that seems like you were making a hypothetical example of what could happen.

From what I have seen in the 19 months I have lived in The Villages, residents and visitors love their dogs. Dogs are walking with their owners, riding in golf carts, and being shown off in the squares. This is part of what goes on here. SkyGuy, go with the flow, be careful, and have a good time at the town squares. Hope to meet you sometime.

[K9-Lovers]

Let me try to explain why people want to take their dogs with them everywhere.

Your dog shows you a reflection of the best part of yourself. The part of you that you wish everyone could see and acknowledge.

When you spend time with a dog who knows you well, and whom you know well, there is a strong connection between the two of you. The two of you can communicate with each other with a quick glance, with the sound of your breath, or the tap of a finger or paw. It is a language only you two share.

When your dog is having fun, you can feel it in your heart. It is very fulfilling to bring joy and pleasure to a dog, because they express their feelings so openly.

Most dogs like meeting new people and other dogs because they are very social beings and love interaction.

If a dog loves you, there is no place they would rather be than with you. And seeing their disappointment when they know you are leaving them behind tugs at your heart.

If these are things you don't understand, or cannot comprehend, then you might consider spending time getting to really know the heart, emotions and intelligent mind of a dog. Until that connection is something you have experienced, it will be impossible for you to understand.

[skyguy79]

Well, SkyGuy, I thought I was actually being compassionate when I stated I had seen people in power chairs or scooters at the squares and hoped to see you there sometime. It was in that same line of thinking that I said I understood your feelings when you were bitten by a dog who attacked your power scooter - but that seems like you were making a hypothetical example of what could happen.

From what I have seen in the 19 months I have lived in The Villages, residents and visitors love their dogs. Dogs are walking with their owners, riding in golf carts, and being shown off in the squares. This is part of what goes on here. SkyGuy, go with the flow, be careful, and have a good time at the town squares. Hope to meet you sometime.I'm not looking for compassion nor have I EVER stated that I was attacked or bitten, but you're right that what I mentioned could happen was hypthetical, at least for me anyway.

But hypthetical does not mean that it couldn't happen. Many things in life are hypothetical until they happen, and if getting bit did happen to me, having been hypothetical beforehand wouldn't mean that I wouldn't be going through what I've explained two times already. As for the rest of what you stated, I have no problem with it what-so-ever! I am chilled and I do go with the flow, but as for when the squares are too crowded... well, do I really have to repeat it yet again?

BTW, I'm STILL waiting for someone, anyone to answer any of the questions I've asked. :(

[K9-Lovers]

Okay Skyguy, I'll give it a go.

1. Tbugs: Have you seen another at the squares using a mobility scooter? Just a yes or no will do.

I'm not Tbugs, but YES I have seen others at the squares using mobility scooters.

2. On a scooter, the user needs to backup sometimes and must do so because they are blocked from moving forward. In backing up there is a blind spot area behind them. If the driver of the scooter backs up thinking all's clear and hits and injures a dog, and assuming it's a busy day, is it the scooter operators fault the dog was hit or is it the fault of the dogs owner for bringing the pet into a busy area where the chance of this is greater than when it's not busy?

Depending on the circumstance, it could be the fault of either. If the scooter operator moved backwards slowly, and if the dog was on a long leash and therefore not fully under control of the owner, it would be the dog owner's fault. However, if the scooter operator knowing that it was a very crowded area, moved quickly without first checking peripheral vision, and backed into a dog that was standing closely to its owners feet, then I would say it is the scooter owner who is at fault.

All that said, a scooter backing over a dog is highly unlikely because a dog's hearing (unless it is deaf and old) is far superior to a human's. Therefore the dog would hear the motor no matter how silent we think it is and quickly move out of the way. A dog is also very aware of their surroundings and any movement, as they are either hunters or prey, and would quickly notice the movement and scoot out of the way. More likely, the scooter operator would back over a small child before backing over a dog because of these reasons.

3. If the dog reacts to the scooter like they sometimes naturally do with autos and winds up biting my leg sending me into months of pain and suffering, (my legs won't heal anywheres near as quick as it would for most people) is it my fault for wanting to enjoy the square like everyone else, or is it the fault of the dogs owner for either bringing the dog into a crowded area or not having it under proper control?

Most dogs chase cars and bicycles because they go fast, and the instinct to chase prey is activated. Scooters don't go fast enough to activate that instinct. Especially if the square is crowded, I doubt a scooter operator would be driving full speed. Also, dogs are required to be leashed, and by the time the dog was ready to chase, they would reach the end of their leash. Therefore, by the time the scooter built up enough speed to activate a chase, the length of the leash would keep the dog from chasing and/or biting.

4. Should I deny myself the use of the square just because of the above situations I've stated?

No. The situations you've described are highly improbable. Use the squares without a second thought to those scenarios.

[skyguy79]

Let me try to explain why people want to take their dogs with them everywhere.

Your dog shows you a reflection of the best part of yourself. The part of you that you wish everyone could see and acknowledge.

When you spend time with a dog who knows you well, and whom you know well, there is a strong connection between the two of you. The two of you can communicate with each other with a quick glance, with the sound of your breath, or the tap of a finger or paw. It is a language only you two share.

When your dog is having fun, you can feel it in your heart. It is very fulfilling to bring joy and pleasure to a dog, because they express their feelings so openly.

Most dogs like meeting new people and other dogs because they are very social beings and love interaction.

If a dog loves you, there is no place they would rather be than with you. And seeing their disappointment when they know you are leaving them behind tugs at your heart.

If these are things you don't understand, or cannot comprehend, then you might consider spending time getting to really know the heart, emotions and intelligent mind of a dog. Until that connection is something you have experienced, it will be impossible for you to understand.Thank K9 for finally being the one to provide me with some answers. I can't however accept that all these reasons justifies that 24/7 companionship is necessary. Have you ever gone to a restaurant where health laws probit bringing a dog in, have you ever gone to a doctor's appointment without your dogs company, did you ever serve jury duty and were allowed to bring your dog, have you ever had job that wouldn't allow you to bring pets to work? I could go on, but think I've made my point.

As for the sentence I've highlited above I can understand and comprehend things you speak of. You seemingly however make an assumption that there is a good chance that I've never had a dog or been emotionally attached or made a connection to one!

As kid my father never allowed me to have a dog, but since I was married in 1967 we have had five (5) dogs and I would have never-ever considered bringing any of them to a venu like the squares if it was crowded.

Our last dog, Sheena of Albany Co. (adopted with papers) was a beautiful and lovable German Shepherd that was gentle and would never hurt a fly; well maybe one person she didn't like and neither did we that much.

Sheena died in 1999 and we decided not to get another dog because we both realized that we both reached a point where we could no longer take proper care of a dog.

[K9-Lovers]

Thank K9 for finally being the one to provide me with some answers. I can't however accept that all these reasons justifies that 24/7 companionship is necessary. Have you ever gone to a restaurant where health laws probit bringing a dog in, have you ever gone to a doctor's appointment without your dogs company, did you ever serve jury duty and were allowed to bring your dog, have you ever had job that wouldn't allow you to bring pets to work? I could go on, but think I've made my point.

As for the sentence I've highlited above I can understand and comprehend things you speak of. You seemingly however make an assumption that there is a good chance that I've never had a dog or been emotionally attached or made a connection to one!

As kid my father never allowed me to have a dog, but since I was married in 1967 we have had five (5) dogs and I would have never-ever considered bringing any of them to a venu like the squares if it was crowded.

Our last dog, Sheena of Albany Co. (adopted with papers) was a beautiful and lovable German Shepherd that was gentle and would never hurt a fly; well maybe one person she didn't like and neither did we that much.

Sheena died in 1999 and we decided not to get another dog because we both realized that we both reached a point where we could no longer take proper care of a dog.


Hi Skyguy. I'm glad that my post answers some questions for you, but my post was not intended solely for you.

It was intended for all readers who may not understand why dog owners want to be with their dogs.

Yes, of course all dog owners must spend time away from their canine companions. I never said that dog owners want to spend 100% of their time 24/7 with their dogs. That was not my point.

The point of my post is to explain WHY dog owners like spending time with their canine companions.

[skyguy79]

Most dogs chase cars and bicycles because they go fast, and the instinct to chase prey is activated. Scooters don't go fast enough to activate that instinct. Especially if the square is crowded Again, thanks for the responses! I hadn't read this post before my last post, but I must say that you have presented some excellent arguments (term of debate) here and I appreciate each and every one.

However, I still can't accept that a person cannot part with their pal as I indicated in the last post. I also have one reservation in what you stated above. My scooter has a max speed of 5.5 mph and I have seen a dog at my mail station start toward me just to be stopped by the owner and its leash! So it is possible that the instinct can be activated at lower speeds. I must admit though that I couldn't tell for sure if it was the instinct to chase or the desire to greet me, get attention and give me a lickn'!
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I do hope though that I, as well as a dogs owner, will never have to find out if I was right or wrong about this or what will result from it!

[redwitch]

I used to have an Old English Sheepdog that went with me whenever possible. He was my buddy, my protector, my ham, my attention getter, my guy. Since I worked long hours, our hours together were special and I'd be danged if he would stay home when he could come with me. He waited outside of grocery stores for me. When allowed, he went into clothing stores with me (all the clerks at Nordie's knew Sleeper and would run over to pet him). I'd been known to cancel or decline an invite where Sleeper wasn't welcome. I would much rather spend the time with him than with most people.

Now, would I take him to a square when I knew it was going to be really crowded? I doubt it. I don't like crowds, so I wouldn't go, anyway, but even if I did, it wouldn't be fair to him. A small dog is a different story. I could carry a little dog and would. As I said, I love seeing the dogs at the squares and do go out of my way to pet them.

As to scooter/wheel chair issues, as K-9 said, dogs will get out of their way. I can see a dog chasing a scooter on a path, but not at the squares -- just not enough room for a scooter to move quickly enough to be an issue. I do understand that there are some idiots who take snappy dogs to the squares (never understood that one -- why take the risk of a lawsuit or, worse yet, having to put your beloved dog down because it bit someone) but I really can't imagine a dog trying to bite a leg, whether in a chair, a scooter or just standing unless the dog felt threatened. That threat usuallly would come from someone trying to pet it, not because you're there.

As to those who feel that dogs don't belong at the squares, I do understand your position. I don't totally agree with it since I think petting the dogs is a great treat for me, but you do have my sympathy. I do agree that dogs should not be taken to events when the squares are overly crowded (parades, Rocky & the Rollers, etc.), but normal crowds should be okay IMO.

[gsmchugh]

I love dogs! The only reason that we don't bring our Shih Tzu is for his health. He has some heart problems and is best left at home. I love seeing all the doggies in the square and would be sad if they had to stay home!

[graciegirl]

I used to have an Old English Sheepdog that went with me whenever possible. He was my buddy, my protector, my ham, my attention getter, my guy. Since I worked long hours, our hours together were special and I'd be danged if he would stay home when he could come with me. He waited outside of grocery stores for me. When allowed, he went into clothing stores with me (all the clerks at Nordie's knew Sleeper and would run over to pet him). I'd been known to cancel or decline an invite where Sleeper wasn't welcome. I would much rather spend the time with him than with most people.

Now, would I take him to a square when I knew it was going to be really crowded? I doubt it. I don't like crowds, so I wouldn't go, anyway, but even if I did, it wouldn't be fair to him. A small dog is a different story. I could carry a little dog and would. As I said, I love seeing the dogs at the squares and do go out of my way to pet them.

As to scooter/wheel chair issues, as K-9 said, dogs will get out of their way. I can see a dog chasing a scooter on a path, but not at the squares -- just not enough room for a scooter to move quickly enough to be an issue. I do understand that there are some idiots who take snappy dogs to the squares (never understood that one -- why take the risk of a lawsuit or, worse yet, having to put your beloved dog down because it bit someone) but I really can't imagine a dog trying to bite a leg, whether in a chair, a scooter or just standing unless the dog felt threatened. That threat usuallly would come from someone trying to pet it, not because you're there.

As to those who feel that dogs don't belong at the squares, I do understand your position. I don't totally agree with it since I think petting the dogs is a great treat for me, but you do have my sympathy. I do agree that dogs should not be taken to events when the squares are overly crowded (parades, Rocky & the Rollers, etc.), but normal crowds should be okay IMO.

Red, you are so articulate and so intelligent and so diplomatic.

Kind is what I love best.

[katezbox]

Excuse me for not quoting - but there are so many comments....

SkyGuy, if you go way back to near the start of this thread, you will see that I mentioned that due to his size, I don't like to bring Finley to the squares when they are especially crowded. Finley is an 11 pound Maltipoo - so small enough to get stepped on, but to heavy to carry around all evening. We sometimes bring him in the cart and sit with him there.

K9 - you got it exactly right about dogs and their companions. The bond is strong and almost instantaneous. I have always been a cat person (and dearly love mine), but a cat's independence (a trait I always loved) is do different from the dependence of a dog to a human. I think our protective instincts kick in with a new pup or rescue.

So, that being said.... I hope the humans think of their companions when they bring them on outings. Just because we like Rocky & the Rollers at the square, doesn't mean our doggy will. It all comes down to the Golden Rule...with people and with dogs...

[skyguy79]

Excuse me for not quoting - but there are so many comments....

SkyGuy, if you go way back to near the start of this thread, you will see that I mentioned that due to his size, I don't like to bring Finley to the squares when they are especially crowded. Finley is an 11 pound Maltipoo - so small enough to get stepped on, but to heavy to carry around all evening. We sometimes bring him in the cart and sit with him there.

K9 - you got it exactly right about dogs and their companions. The bond is strong and almost instantaneous. I have always been a cat person (and dearly love mine), but a cat's independence (a trait I always loved) is do different from the dependence of a dog to a human. I think our protective instincts kick in with a new pup or rescue.

So, that being said.... I hope the humans think of their companions when they bring them on outings. Just because we like Rocky & the Rollers at the square, doesn't mean our doggy will. It all comes down to the Golden Rule...with people and with dogs...katexbox, you sound like a good mommy to your Finley. :ho:
I really don't think that most of us differ very much about our feeling for our pets as well as the pets of others. We just have slightly different views that are motivated by concern for the safety and welfare of both our selves and our leetle friends! I think that this has been a healthy debate where I've learned from those of you who offered your feelings and opinions and I hope you have mutually learned from what I had to contribute.

Now, if in the future you see me at the squares or mailboxes on my scooter and you're little buddies are with you, you had better give me a chance to give them a little scratchey-poo on their little chins or around the ears! Just approach with care and leave any pet gorillas at home! :1rotfl:

[Barefoot]

Let me try to explain why people want to take their dogs with them everywhere.

Your dog shows you a reflection of the best part of yourself. The part of you that you wish everyone could see and acknowledge.

When you spend time with a dog who knows you well, and whom you know well, there is a strong connection between the two of you. The two of you can communicate with each other with a quick glance, with the sound of your breath, or the tap of a finger or paw. It is a language only you two share.

When your dog is having fun, you can feel it in your heart. It is very fulfilling to bring joy and pleasure to a dog, because they express their feelings so openly.

Most dogs like meeting new people and other dogs because they are very social beings and love interaction.

If a dog loves you, there is no place they would rather be than with you. And seeing their disappointment when they know you are leaving them behind tugs at your heart.

If these are things you don't understand, or cannot comprehend, then you might consider spending time getting to really know the heart, emotions and intelligent mind of a dog. Until that connection is something you have experienced, it will be impossible for you to understand.

K-9, that is beautiful and really nails it. I love the joy in dogs' eyes when they comprehend they're not being left at home, but will be able to be with their humans.

I could really relate to Dee's story about her sheepdog.

Of course I would never take my dogs to the square when it is crowded. I wouldn't lock my dogs in the car on a hot day. I wouldn't walk my dogs on the hot pavement. However I think that taking my dogs to the Square on a night that isn't busy is a treat for me, and a treat for them. I always carry my little dog 10 (lbs) if there are people around. My 70 lb dog, Lolli Pop, is so busy getting and giving love, there is always a line-up to pat her.

Isn't it wonderful seeing all the ponds full of water and all the wildlife splashing around? Gotta love The Villages, it is so pretty.

[duffysmom]

Let me try to explain why people want to take their dogs with them everywhere.

Your dog shows you a reflection of the best part of yourself. The part of you that you wish everyone could see and acknowledge.

When you spend time with a dog who knows you well, and whom you know well, there is a strong connection between the two of you. The two of you can communicate with each other with a quick glance, with the sound of your breath, or the tap of a finger or paw. It is a language only you two share.

When your dog is having fun, you can feel it in your heart. It is very fulfilling to bring joy and pleasure to a dog, because they express their feelings so openly.

Most dogs like meeting new people and other dogs because they are very social beings and love interaction.

If a dog loves you, there is no place they would rather be than with you. And seeing their disappointment when they know you are leaving them behind tugs at your heart.

If these are things you don't understand, or cannot comprehend, then you might consider spending time getting to really know the heart, emotions and intelligent mind of a dog. Until that connection is something you have experienced, it will be impossible for you to understand.

I loved everything K9 and Red had to say. My Duffy rides to Market Square in the cart and he doesn't leave the cart ever. In the past we couldn't walk two steps without Duffy being loved on by strangers which was lovely but like Dee I don't like crowds. What this tells me is that people love the doggies on the Squares.:clap2: I've never seen a dog misbehave but I have witnessed two fist fights.chilout

[Tbugs]

DuffysMom - You have actually witnessed two fist fights at the town squares? Were they persons of Villages age (okay, seniors) or were they younger people?

I have seen drunks down there a couple of times but no fighting.

Amazing, isn't it?

[whartonjelly]

We enjoyed the town squares so much. The dogs are welcome, they are conversation starters and make people at ease that are usually up tight.

I have dreamed for years about walking our dogs in TV. We will certainly clean up after them.

It is part of the Dream.:welcome:

[Pturner]

Let me try to explain why people want to take their dogs with them everywhere.

Your dog shows you a reflection of the best part of yourself. The part of you that you wish everyone could see and acknowledge.

When you spend time with a dog who knows you well, and whom you know well, there is a strong connection between the two of you. The two of you can communicate with each other with a quick glance, with the sound of your breath, or the tap of a finger or paw. It is a language only you two share.

When your dog is having fun, you can feel it in your heart. It is very fulfilling to bring joy and pleasure to a dog, because they express their feelings so openly.

Most dogs like meeting new people and other dogs because they are very social beings and love interaction.

If a dog loves you, there is no place they would rather be than with you. And seeing their disappointment when they know you are leaving them behind tugs at your heart.

If these are things you don't understand, or cannot comprehend, then you might consider spending time getting to really know the heart, emotions and intelligent mind of a dog. Until that connection is something you have experienced, it will be impossible for you to understand.

What a heart-warming post. That's it exactly. The love, bond and trust between us and our dogs is hard to explain, and probably even harder to imagine for those who haven't experienced it.

I've always been a little in awe of it actually-- the fact that there can be that much intellectual and emotional connection across two species.

[katezbox]

We enjoyed the town squares so much. The dogs are welcome, they are conversation starters and make people at ease that are usually up tight.

I have dreamed for years about walking our dogs in TV. We will certainly clean up after them.

It is part of the Dream.:welcome:

Wow - what a lovely post. We hope to welcome you soon..

[graciegirl]

Let me try to explain why people want to take their dogs with them everywhere.

Your dog shows you a reflection of the best part of yourself. The part of you that you wish everyone could see and acknowledge.

When you spend time with a dog who knows you well, and whom you know well, there is a strong connection between the two of you. The two of you can communicate with each other with a quick glance, with the sound of your breath, or the tap of a finger or paw. It is a language only you two share.

When your dog is having fun, you can feel it in your heart. It is very fulfilling to bring joy and pleasure to a dog, because they express their feelings so openly.

Most dogs like meeting new people and other dogs because they are very social beings and love interaction.

If a dog loves you, there is no place they would rather be than with you. And seeing their disappointment when they know you are leaving them behind tugs at your heart.

If these are things you don't understand, or cannot comprehend, then you might consider spending time getting to really know the heart, emotions and intelligent mind of a dog. Until that connection is something you have experienced, it will be impossible for you to understand.

I have printed this, folded it, and put it in my main cookbook. That is where I tuck in things that are important to me.

I know my children will cherish my cookbook.

[josephine71]

I think some of you need to get a life...You are going to far...I bet some of you didn't take your children with you where ever you went you found baby sitters to take care of them so you could go and have a good time..I know a dog or a puppy or a cat and I have had many or any other kind of animal can be a joy in your life and I had 2 dogs also wish I loved but I didn't take them every where I went some of you are going to far with this....I said I wasn't going to post any more about dogs in the square but when I see posts like this I have to say something...I was never a member on here and I signed on a while ago to see what it was all about now I see and I don't think I would like to be a member of Talk of the Village...I still say dogs don't belong at the square,and I don't blame the dogs I blame the owners...

[redwitch]

I think some of you need to get a life...You are going to far...I bet some of you didn't take your children with you where ever you went you found baby sitters to take care of them so you could go and have a good time..I know a dog or a puppy or a cat and I have had many or any other kind of animal can be a joy in your life and I had 2 dogs also wish I loved but I didn't take them every where I went some of you are going to far with this....I said I wasn't going to post any more about dogs in the square but when I see posts like this I have to say something...I was never a member on here and I signed on a while ago to see what it was all about now I see and I don't think I would like to be a member of Talk of the Village...I still say dogs don't belong at the square,and I don't blame the dogs I blame the owners...

What a mean, judgmental post. Some dare disagree with you and that makes TOTV something you don't want to belong to. Because some feel their dogs and cats are more than just pets mean they need to get a life? Um, they have a life and part of their life is their pet.

Fine, you don't like dogs at the squares. I do and, apparently, so do enough people that they are allowed. If enough folks complained, I'm willing to bet that a no-pet policy would be implemented by the powers that be. So, rather than be gracious about the fact that the majority disagree with you and find the good in TOTV (of which there is a tremendous amount), you decide to put it and the posters here down.

Nothing personal, but I doubt if you'll be missed and I sincerely hope you don't use the wisdom posted here to your advantage.

[josephine71]

I am sure there are alot of people who agree with me about dogs at the square but they are not on this site or they wish not to say anything...and I really dont care that I wouldn't be missed ....Like I said I love dogs but I wouldn't take them to the square where there were lots of people I am sorry that most of you don't agree with me about this issue but that is your choice..

[graciegirl]

I am sure there are alot of people who agree with me about dogs at the square but they are not on this site or they wish not to say anything...and I really dont care that I wouldn't be missed ....Like I said I love dogs but I wouldn't take them to the square where there were lots of people I am sorry that most of you don't agree with me about this issue but that is your choice..

Josephine.

Now that you see how a lot of posters here feel about dogs on the squares,maybe we can find something to post about with you that you enjoy.

What are the five things in The Villages that you like most?

Which village is your favorite and why?

What do you look forward doing here in The Villages?

Do you enjoy Bingo or cards, or do you like golf?

I see you posted about your high school in Brooklyn.

What part of high school did you like best?

What decade did you graduate? We love going back and remembering things here.

Gracie. Class of '57
Cheerleader emeritus.

[ceejay]

"Like I said before I will never win because there are to many dog lovers I feel they don't belong in the square and this will be my last remark on dogs .... It makes me think that people love dogs more then they love people and thats alright ....I love dogs but I love people more...."

Once again...your words.

[Uptown Girl]

Josephine.

Now that you see how a lot of posters here feel about dogs on the squares,maybe we can find something to post about with you that you enjoy.

What are the five things in The Villages that you like most?

Which village is your favorite and why?

What do you look forward doing here in The Villages?

Do you enjoy Bingo or cards, or do you like golf?

I see you posted about your high school in Brooklyn.

What part of high school did you like best?

What decade did you graduate? We love going back and remembering things here.

Gracie. Class of '57
Cheerleader emeritus.

That's the spirit!

[vj1213]

Ok, I wasn't going to post either, but I am one of those dog lovers that take my dog with me (maybe not everywhere) When the square is overly crowded I don't take him or we just walk on the outer perimeter of the square. I don't take him when it's too hot. He is a little yorkie so I can also carry him. He is 10 1/2 years old, and he has been going with me since the day I got him. He has traveled coast to coast, probably flown and stayed in more hotels than most humans. He is truly a part of our family, and when I'm working or out he sits in the window and watches for my return.
But just like with most other issues, everyone will never agree. I personally love seeing the dogs at the square, but most of the places I have lived have all been pet friendly communities. I do understand some of the concerns, but just because I don't enjoy something or disagree with something, it is not going to prevent me from going out and enjoying life.
I really don't think dogs will be banned from the square, I work in the sales center and people bring their dogs in there all the time. We have dog treats in all the drawers to share with our little furry friends.
Oh, and yes I did take my kids with me and now my grandkids!

[KathieI]

Some very good posts here and some very "snarky"....
No one LOVES their dogs more than I.... when I'm with them, I give them top quality time and they are spoiled rotten. But I happen to agree, I don't really like dogs at the squares ESPECIALLY when the square is very crowded and some people choose to bring them on leashes... There have been a few times where I have almost fallen on my ARSE.... because some human had their dog on a very long leash and was about 5 or 6 feet away from where they were standing. I literally became unglued with the owner when I realized what I was tripping over. This is extremely dangerous and unfortunately, some owners are absurd. There are others, however, that bring their dogs on leashes and in carts, and I love chatting with them and petting them (after I ascertain that they won't bite, of course)....

I believe there is a time and place for our wonderful animals and I wouldn't ever bring the 2 brats to the square because I know that I wouldn't have them under control (nor do I bring them to the doggie park for the same reason.)

This is just my humble opinion.

[swimdawg]

Have a nice day, Josephine. Enjoy your warmth and sunshine. It's snowing here in Western New York.:cold:

[josephine71]

Thank you for your reply , thats is all that I am trying to tell dog lovers I don't mean any harm to them they are sweet animals and they do give you love...So please don't attack me for expressing my thoughts on dogs at the square...I wish you all a good day....

[Bill-n-Brillo]

:popcorn:

Bill :)

[jgbama]

Thank you for your reply , thats is all that I am trying to tell dog lovers I don't mean any harm to them they are sweet animals and they do give you love...So please don't attack me for expressing my thoughts on dogs at the square...I wish you all a good day....

Emotions do run high sometimes, especially when it comes to our pets. Inconsiderate owners are as frustrating as golfers who don't repair their ball marks on greens or rake the sand bunkers, but that's another topic! :duck:

The times we are down, there appears to be a lot of locals (non-Villagers) with dogs. I wonder if they may be more the problem of being inconsiderate, especially young owners. IMO, with the life experiences we "Villages-age-group" have, we tend to understand more the need to be considerate of not just our pets, but our fellow man as well. To me that is what makes TV "Florida's Friendliest Hometown". Everytime I hear the jingle when I go to TV website, it soothes me like a "bourbon and branch water", and makes my wife and I want to be there as soon as we can!!

I guess it is was my upbringing, but I'm a "hugger" as I feel it expresses my respect and feelings to my friends better than a hand shake. So to Josephine I send a b-i-g HUG for expressing your feelings on this topic. And, don't you dare stop visiting TOTV.

[skyguy79]

:popcorn:

Bill :)
Bill, you must have quite of a supply of pop corn in your home! :p

I have printed this, folded it, and put it in my main cookbook. That is where I tuck in things that are important to me.

I know my children will cherish my cookbook.Gracie, Gracie, Gracie! Are you subtly suggesting that you think those lovable little puppy dogs look so cute that you could just eat them up? :1rotfl:

I think some of you need to get a life...You are going to far...I bet some of you didn't take your children with you where ever you went you found baby sitters to take care of them so you could go and have a good time.Josephine, first I think you have a lovely name. My mothers name was also Josephine.

Now, let me say that I think similarly as you do about pets being brought to the squares, mostly when it's busy or crowded. If you've read all my posts you'd know that. However, do you really think it's necessary to tell people to get a life? I'm sure they all have a happy life. (or at least hope they do) How can you not living in TV? After all, they are just expressing their personal opinions and that's not any different that what you've stated you're doing in another of your posts.

I'm not you, but if I were, I would just apologize for that comment, enjoy the forum and what it has to offer, then simply move on, live... and let live!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Bill, you must have quite of a supply of pop corn in your home! :p.........

Got some more poppin' right now! :)

Bill

[skyguy79]

I guess it is was my upbringing, but I'm a "hugger" as I feel it expresses my respect and feelings to my friends better than a hand shake. So to Josephine I send a b-i-g HUG for expressing your feelings on this topic. And, don't you dare stop visiting TOTV.Ooh.... Graciegirls is just gonna Loooooove you! http://th241.photobucket.com/albums/ff114/CarolineMans/June%20Albumn/th_smileyhugs.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/image/hugs%20smiley/CarolineMans/June%20Albumn/smileyhugs.gif?o=14) <<< Graciegirl (not me) and you! :1rotfl:

[jgbama]

Ooh.... Graciegirls is just gonna Loooooove you! <<< Graciegirl (not me) and you! :1rotfl:

Well, that's okay with me. As a matter of fact she and I have just became "officially" friends. As you can imagine. . . :2excited:!!!!!!!!!!!!! My first friend on TOTV!!

[josephine71]

Thank you....

[katezbox]

Thank you....

Josephine,

As I was following this thread, I have found it difficult to keep up with your posts - because you comment without quoting. If you would, please click the quote button on the bottom right of a post you wish to comment on. It makes for much easier reading.

k

[Tbugs]

Sunday, April 3 -

I just returned from Spanish Springs square from seeing Norman Lee and the Boondock Saints. Good show as always.

However, during the Electric Slide dance, an unsupervised child around 2 years old was trying to dance with the crowd, got right in back of a dancing woman, the woman did not notice the child, stepped backward and both the child and 60-ish woman went down on the cement square. Luckily, neither were hurt - but the woman was very upset at the child's parent who came running up.

Several dogs were present at the square - not in the dancing area - and all dogs were on short leashes or held in arms or in carriers.

Parents, please do not let your children go to the dance area by themselves!

[westcoast]

Lots of people here have dogs, not too many have kids. Must have
been guests.

[jack_pine]

Hey all. Have Read most threads here. We are in early investigation phase. Snow birding,,, then???

Question..... I have read all of the pet threads. Some love them some, not so much. We currently have 4 (know the restrictions).

We are responsible owners and cognizant of others concerns. Much as we try to get them to go at home before a walk, it doesn't always work. Are folks there upset when a pet goes in the grass and it is picked up at once? I here people say to make sure they go at home, really?

Anyway, just thought we would ask for our virgin post...........

[Pturner]

Hey all. Have Read most threads here. We are in early investigation phase. Snow birding,,, then???

Question..... I have read all of the pet threads. Some love them some, not so much. We currently have 4 (know the restrictions).

We are responsible owners and cognizant of others concerns. Much as we try to get them to go at home before a walk, it doesn't always work. Are folks there upset when a pet goes in the grass and it is picked up at once? I here people say to make sure they go at home, really?

Anyway, just thought we would ask for our virgin post...........

Jack Pine,
:welcome: Glad you have joined us here on TOTV. I can't speak for everyone, but I can assure you if your dog pooped in my yard and you picked it up, I'd wave and say hi and come pet your dogs if you let me.

[jack_pine]

Jack Pine,
:welcome: Glad you have joined us here on TOTV. I can't speak for everyone, but I can assure you if your dog pooped in my yard and you picked it up, I'd wave and say hi and come pet your dogs if you let me.

Thanks, as much as we try, it has something to do with the wiggly walking motion that seems to get their systems going.

We are on 5 acres here and have cottage on 80 acres in Wisconsin so it's not an issue here.

We are looking at doing a week there soon to explore. The whole pet atmosphere thing is key for us.

Thanks for replying............

[Tbugs]

Yes, the little child was granddaughter of some Villages resident most likely.

Although, there are quite a few people from outside The Villages who come to the entertainment on a regular basis. As you know, you do not have to be a Villages resident to enjoy our excellent entertainment on the squares. In fact, Lake Weir Living and a Del Webb community nearby both advertise that fact for moving to their communities.

[whartonjelly]

Josephine,

As I was following this thread, I have found it difficult to keep up with your posts - because you comment without quoting. If you would, please click the quote button on the bottom right of a post you wish to comment on. It makes for much easier reading.

k

Holly cow, I have been on since 07 and did not know this. Thanks!

[K9-Lovers]

Jack Pine,

Welcome to TOTV. :welcome:

Many people don't realize that in the wild, dogs mark the perimeter of their large territories by leaving urine and feces. Male dogs especially, will save urine for marking, never completely emptying their bladders.

All dogs have "anal glands" which leave a scent on feces just as it leaves the anus. This scent is the reason dogs like to smell each others droppings. The scent gives information about the dog's health, age, gender, and other info. That's also why dogs want to smell each others hind quarters -- to gather information.

Because of the strong instinct to "mark" it is natural for a dog to urinate and defacate during a walk. And like you said, walking gets things moving -- for dogs and humans!

Some people are offended by a dog using their yard, even if you clean it up! So we walk our dogs in the "common areas" rather than walking them down the streets in our neighborhood. Some examples of common areas are the rec centers, grassy areas next to main streets where there are no houses, parks, mail stops, etc. Always pick up droppings with a plastic bag, then take the bag home to be thrown in your own trash.

We've not encountered one person who was upset by our dogs. Quite the opposite -- most people want to greet and pet them and say hello to us. Come see for yourself -- you and your dogs will love it here.

[Indydealmaker]

Sunday, April 3 -

I just returned from Spanish Springs square from seeing Norman Lee and the Boondock Saints. Good show as always.

However, during the Electric Slide dance, an unsupervised child around 2 years old was trying to dance with the crowd, got right in back of a dancing woman, the woman did not notice the child, stepped backward and both the child and 60-ish woman went down on the cement square. Luckily, neither were hurt - but the woman was very upset at the child's parent who came running up.

Several dogs were present at the square - not in the dancing area - and all dogs were on short leashes or held in arms or in carriers.

Parents, please do not let your children go to the dance area by themselves!
Possibly a DUI (dancing under the influence).
I wonder who had the right of way?
Just thinking out loud.

[jack_pine]

Jack Pine,

Welcome to TOTV. :welcome:

Many people don't realize that in the wild, dogs mark the perimeter of their large territories by leaving urine and feces. Male dogs especially, will save urine for marking, never completely emptying their bladders.

All dogs have "anal glands" which leave a scent on feces just as it leaves the anus. This scent is the reason dogs like to smell each others droppings. The scent gives information about the dog's health, age, gender, and other info. That's also why dogs want to smell each others hind quarters -- to gather information.

Because of the strong instinct to "mark" it is natural for a dog to urinate and defacate during a walk. And like you said, walking gets things moving -- for dogs and humans!

Some people are offended by a dog using their yard, even if you clean it up! So we walk our dogs in the "common areas" rather than walking them down the streets in our neighborhood. Some examples of common areas are the rec centers, grassy areas next to main streets where there are no houses, parks, mail stops, etc. Always pick up droppings with a plastic bag, then take the bag home to be thrown in your own trash.

We've not encountered one person who was upset by our dogs. Quite the opposite -- most people want to greet and pet them and say hello to us. Come see for yourself -- you and your dogs will love it here.

Thanks, got it. that kind of gets to my point.

Doing the "duty" walk we would certainly do it in approved areas. However, when we want to go on a long exercise walk with the pups, stuff may happen. Your response (no offense intended) Is what I have heard and have some concerns about. i.e. Have them do it at home or in common areas. Would try, but sometimes...

Sorry, just trying to get the "feel" of TV.

Looking forward to our visits. Now, can I get a really fast cart?? (kidding)

[katezbox]

Thanks, got it. that kind of gets to my point.

Doing the "duty" walk we would certainly do it in approved areas. However, when we want to go on a long exercise walk with the pups, stuff may happen. Your response (no offense intended) Is what I have heard and have some concerns about. i.e. Have them do it at home or in common areas. Would try, but sometimes...

Sorry, just trying to get the "feel" of TV.

Looking forward to our visits. Now, can I get a really fast cart?? (kidding)

Jack, Welcome... I do not have K-9s extensive knowledge of our furry friends, nor PT's writing ability, but here is how I see it.

We walk our doggy around the yard first thing in the a.m. to let him relieve himself. We then walk to a large common area near a pond. here he lets all the other doggies know that "Finley wuz here" just as K9 describes. By doing this he is less likely to need to marinate in someone's lawn. he loves to walk along the curbing at the edge of the road, but has been trained not to stray onto others' property. We use a 6 foot loose leash to walk him.

Is there ever a time that need gets the better of him to either urinate or defecate? I'm sure there is, but cannot remember a time lately. However, he is no longer a pup, but still young. We need to make allowances for the older doggies - like us stuff doesn't work the way it used to.

Most people will understand. Some will not. Others will not train their dogs to respect others property by giving them ample time "to go" in designated areas. I think that those who don't understand are often a factor of those pet owners who don't care, and it sounds to me as if you do care so not to worry.

k

[jack_pine]

Jack, Welcome... I do not have K-9s extensive knowledge of our furry friends, nor PT's writing ability, but here is how I see it.

We walk our doggy around the yard first thing in the a.m. to let him relieve himself. We then walk to a large common area near a pond. here he lets all the other doggies know that "Finley wuz here" just as K9 describes. By doing this he is less likely to need to marinate in someone's lawn. he loves to walk along the curbing at the edge of the road, but has been trained not to stray onto others' property. We use a 6 foot loose leash to walk him.

Is there ever a time that need gets the better of him to either urinate or defecate? I'm sure there is, but cannot remember a time lately. However, he is no longer a pup, but still young. We need to make allowances for the older doggies - like us stuff doesn't work the way it used to.

Most people will understand. Some will not. Others will not train their dogs to respect others property by giving them ample time "to go" in designated areas. I think that those who don't understand are often a factor of those pet owners who don't care, and it sounds to me as if you do care so not to worry.

k

thanks..........

[redwitch]

Folks, just a suggestion -- if you're going to walk your dogs in common areas, please get some baby wipes and clean their paws when you get home. There have been a few cases of foot cancer in dogs and the theory is that it was probably caused by all the chemicals being used, especially by TV crews (most personal yards don't use quite as strong chemicals).

[whartonjelly]

Folks, just a suggestion -- if you're going to walk your dogs in common areas, please get some baby wipes and clean their paws when you get home. There have been a few cases of foot cancer in dogs and the theory is that it was probably caused by all the chemicals being used, especially by TV crews (most personal yards don't use quite as strong chemicals).

I have never thought of that. Still not in TV but when that time comes we will bring Minnie and Gracie our Cavachons !:thumbup:

[Schaumburger]

I have never thought of that. Still not in TV but when that time comes we will bring Minnie and Gracie our Cavachons !:thumbup:

Is the Cavachon the name for the puppies that are born from one parent a Bichon Frise and the other parent a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel? Bet Minnie and Gracie are cute! Do you have photos you can post?

[Reefer]

Of course people should clean up after their pets, anything else is disgusting!!!

One reason we purchased in TV was that we loved seeing the dogs everywhere! My husband has been working in Canada for the past month. He arrives here Thursday. He just called to ask me "Can we take our two dogs to the Square on Thursday night"? So we'll be there with our little dog "Biggins" and our 70 pound "Lolli Pop"!

We are not dog owners...are there REALLY that many dogs around? It may be a deciding factor in a purchase there as we near retirement in 5 years. Not that we don't like dogs, just not lovers of them as it seems folks post on here are. Just wondering...

[memason]

We are not dog owners...are there REALLY that many dogs around? It may be a deciding factor in a purchase there as we near retirement in 5 years. Not that we don't like dogs, just not lovers of them as it seems folks post on here are. Just wondering...

I don't perceive there to be any more pets here than any other city I have lived. In fact, there were far more dogs in Germany...everywhere. Dogs are allowed in restaurants, shopping malls, churches...just about anywhere, except a grocery store.

Just my perception...

[vj1213]

I was told by my vet one time, when I mentioned that my little yorkie stopped so often to pee...
"Oh, don't worry he is just sending out "pee-mail" :D so of course all the sniffing he must be reading his "pee-mail" :D

[GOJODO]

Gee....
We are allergic to perfume.... so please don't wear any.

We love animals and really miss our babes. Our lab died 2 days before we moved, so now we usually stop and pet any animal in the square (after asking permission)

However, not picking up after your pet is just inconsiderate, we always carried bags attached to their leads. Our Millie never failed to leave a deposit and never missed a step in the process. Had to be quick to catch the fall out.:duck:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I don't perceive there to be any more pets here than any other city I have lived...........

Ditto.

Bill

[skyguy79]

I was told by my vet one time, when I mentioned that my little yorkie stopped so often to pee...
"Oh, don't worry he is just sending out "pee-mail" :D so of course all the sniffing he must be reading his "pee-mail" :DOMG, I can just see it now! The Villages set up a pee-mail station near our mail stations that's just for the doggies.

In the near vinicity of our mailboxes there would be rows of pee-boxes built for canines where there would be card activated door on the front and include washable and removable artificial grass for the floor inside.

The doggies would be issued an electronic pee-door medallion equipped similar to our gate cards but smaller that matched up to the individually assigned boxs. The medallion would hung on their collar along with their license and contact ID's.

On each box there would be a grated top that other pooches can hop onto to leave their personalized pee-messages for the box holder to later sniff out.
http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/dog3.gif
Additionally, poop-boxes could also.....
http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad149/Deafbhoy2/loldog.gif

[rubicon]

One poster asked if there really are that many dogs here? I do not know how to reply because it depends on your attitude towards pets. I suspect that the pet population is growing as rapidly as the human population. I have lived here 5 years. This last year I have heard more dogs bark and bark longer from my lanai than the previous four years combined. I have seen more dogs walked, carried. pushed in a carriage than the previous 4 years. And I have been invited to more homes and greeted by dogs this last year than the previous four. Again a personal disclosure is required. I am afraid of dogs but only four kinds, big, litttle, alive and dead. So from my personal point of view there are too many dogs in TV. Also without burdening you with the why, suffice to say I come by my bias honestly. This is a personal view and one that does not imply or infer there is a right or wrong.

[katezbox]

One poster asked if there really are that many dogs here? I do not know how to reply because it depends on your attitude towards pets. I suspect that the pet population is growing as rapidly as the human population. I have lived here 5 years. This last year I have heard more dogs bark and bark longer from my lanai than the previous four years combined. I have seen more dogs walked, carried. pushed in a carriage than the previous 4 years. And I have been invited to more homes and greeted by dogs this last year than the previous four. Again a personal disclosure is required. I am afraid of dogs but only four kinds, big, litttle, alive and dead. So from my personal point of view there are too many dogs in TV. Also without burdening you with the why, suffice to say I come by my bias honestly. This is a personal view and one that does not imply or infer there is a right or wrong.

Rubicon,

Thank you for such an honest post. I feel the same way about snakes!

I don't know if we are more "dog lovers" than elsewhere - but I do wonder if, for those of us empty nesters, our pets have helped us to fill a void.

k

[rubicon]

Katezbox...this special relationship you address is exactly why I remain passive and neutral. Just don't be offended if when your approaching me I immediately pivot and go in the opposite direction. I have been known to throw my wife in front of me as a barrier. Yep she still loves me. See we have a special relationship and so she remains passive and neutral:D

[Reefer]

I have lived here 5 years. This last year I have heard more dogs bark and bark longer from my lanai than the previous four years combined. I have seen more dogs walked, carried. pushed in a carriage than the previous 4 years. And I have been invited to more homes and greeted by dogs this last year than the previous four. Again a personal disclosure is required. I am afraid of dogs but only four kinds, big, litttle, alive and dead. So from my personal point of view there are too many dogs in TV. Also without burdening you with the why, suffice to say I come by my bias honestly. This is a personal view and one that does not imply or infer there is a right or wrong.

As non-dog owners, I think this is what we notice more here at home too. We have dogs barking and it seems the owners don't hear them and sometimes it can go on and on and it drive us nuts. (yes we have spoke to them, called the town etc) Looking at how close some homes are in TV and how close one lanai is to the next, we are a little concerned that we will run into the same thing but closer to the problem. Just saying...

[mrfixit]

You need to control the critters. Example .....Tuesday night aat Lake Sumter Landing...I am sitting on white bench on sidewalk with the better half directly in front of Pooters' display tent... Some one in wheelchair going South...Big man with big dog can not wait for wheel chair person to safely pass so he steps on my foot to squeeze by...his dog behind him on leash tries to squeeze by.......dogs wagging tail knocks my drink off the arm of the bench and the dog then pauses just long enough to stick his nose in my wife's drink which was in her hand.... Grow up you inconsiderate people. The ruined 5.50 worth of drinks did not bother me......but .....the lard a88 with the dog should consider himself lucky that there were ladies and children nearby.....or maybe there would have been a boogity-shoe going on in the street ( naw the juice wasn't worth the squeeze ).....The nice man in the wheel chair did apologize......Said........:"I am truly sorry that fat a88 was in such a hurry,,, (and offered to replace our drinks) then he said..." slobs are slobs and some slobs bring their big dogs to the squares."

[graciegirl]

Rubicon, I respect your honest post. Many are afraid of dogs for a lot of reasons.

I am afraid of some breeds, such as Pit bulls. That isn't their real name, but I can't think of it.

I enjoy dogs, I don't own one.

When traveling in Paris some years ago, I was chatting with the cab driver.
We had met and chatted with some very polite school children in our walks and noticed how quietly the dogs would lie next to their owners in outdoor restaurants.

I asked him Why did he think that the dogs and children in Paris were so well behaved.

He said. "We beat them".

(Perhaps I did not translate well, he surely meant that children and dogs brought up correctly did better.)

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Gracie, your comedy just gets better and better every day!! :clap2:

Bill :)

[katezbox]

You need to control the critters. Example .....Tuesday night aat Lake Sumter Landing...I am sitting on white bench on sidewalk with the better half directly in front of Pooters' display tent... Some one in wheelchair going South...Big man with big dog can not wait for wheel chair person to safely pass so he steps on my foot to squeeze by...his dog behind him on leash tries to squeeze by.......dogs wagging tail knocks my drink off the arm of the bench and the dog then pauses just long enough to stick his nose in my wife's drink which was in her hand.... Grow up you inconsiderate people. The ruined 5.50 worth of drinks did not bother me......but .....the lard a88 with the dog should consider himself lucky that there were ladies and children nearby.....or maybe there would have been a boogity-shoe going on in the street ( naw the juice wasn't worth the squeeze ).....The nice man in the wheel chair did apologize......Said........:"I am truly sorry that fat a88 was in such a hurry,,, (and offered to replace our drinks) then he said..." slobs are slobs and some slobs bring their big dogs to the squares."

Mr Fixit - The kindly man in the wheel chair got it exactly right! (IMHO) There are jerks in this world - and some own pets. Those pet-owning jerks give the rest of us pet owners aggro too!

The TOTV people with doggies who bring them to the squares who have posted here all agree that crowded nights are not a good choice - unless the pooch can be carried or you stay in your cart.

Kate

(who, if Finley did this to you, would have offered to replace the drinks and given you a heartfelt apology)

[The Great Fumar]

I don't perceive there to be any more pets here than any other city I have lived. In fact, there were far more dogs in Germany...everywhere. Dogs are allowed in restaurants, shopping malls, churches...just about anywhere, except a grocery store.

Just my perception...

Sounds like a case of your PERCEIVER not working properly.You can have that fixed at Mayo's .....thats sam mayo's in Bellview........
fumar:highfive:

[katezbox]

Sounds like a case of your PERCEIVER not working properly.You can have that fixed at Mayo's .....thats sam mayo's in Bellview........
fumar:highfive:

Where have you been? Been expecting a Fumar-ism for days now!:MOJE_whot::clap2::duck:

[graciegirl]

I was waiting for Fumar too.

If you haven't met Fumar, his bark is worse than his bite.

But....I'm not sure of that.:ho:

He has published a Canine Cookbook, but the ingredients..........

[graciegirl]

Sounds like a case of your PERCEIVER not working properly.You can have that fixed at Mayo's .....thats sam mayo's in Bellview........
fumar:highfive:

bump

[skyguy79]

Sounds like a case of your PERCEIVER not working properly.You can have that fixed at Mayo's .....thats sam mayo's in Bellview........
fumar:highfive:OK, as a relatively new resident to TV, I don't know what sam mayo's is! I couldn't find anything on a Google search and didn't even find anything that would help in the Google ads after doing the searches! :shocked:

[memason]

Sounds like a case of your PERCEIVER not working properly.You can have that fixed at Mayo's .....thats sam mayo's in Bellview........
fumar:highfive:

You might be right.... I've been to Sam's before, but the PERCEIVER adjustment is a painful process ...and expensive! :1rotfl:

This thread has really gone to the DOGS . . .

over and out . . .

[Boomer]

Where have you been? Been expecting a Fumar-ism for days now!:MOJE_whot::clap2::duck:


I was waiting for Fumar too.

If you haven't met Fumar, his bark is worse than his bite.

But....I'm not sure of that.:ho:

He has published a Canine Cookbook, but the ingredients..........


Well, girls, your comments here might explain something. I just knew I had been hearing singing off in the distance. I have been hearing it for quite a while now......

Oh where? Oh where has our Fumar gone? Oh where? Oh where could he be-e-e-e-e???.......

And I thought maybe I was imagining things. But now, I feel so much better knowing the singing could have been you two.

And about that Canine Cookbook mentioned, it was a stir-fry cookbook, titled "Wok Your Dog."

My guess is that being a savvy guy, Fumar knew he could not sell very many copies of "Wok Your Dog" on vendors' nights at the squares -- no matter how delightful the cover -- no matter that he would personally autograph each and every copy sold. Savvy Fumar surely knew that, no matter what, TV would not be the best place to market his book.

So maybe Fumar has been away on a book-signing tour.

Boomer

[katezbox]

Well, girls, your comments here might explain something. I just knew I had been hearing singing off in the distance. I have been hearing it for quite a while now......

Oh where? Oh where has our Fumar gone? Oh where? Oh where could he be-e-e-e-e???.......

And I thought maybe I was imagining things. But now, I feel so much better knowing the singing could have been you two.

And about that Canine Cookbook mentioned, it was a stir-fry cookbook, titled "Wok Your Dog."

My guess is that being a savvy guy, Fumar knew he could not sell very many copies of "Wok Your Dog" on vendors' nights at the squares -- no matter how delightful the cover -- no matter that he would personally autograph each and every copy sold. Savvy Fumar surely knew that, no matter what, TV would not be the best place to market his book.

So maybe Fumar has been away on a book-signing tour.

Boomer

Being on the road that long has to have been really ruff on him - unless, of course, he is barking mad and drooling...:duck:

[skyguy79]

Being on the road that long has to have been really ruff on him - unless, of course, he is barking mad and drooling...:duck:You make it sound like he's about to be put down. I think the Admins kind of frown on that kind though. http://th492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/croatoan5376/Emoticons/th_smiley_emoticons_kings_nosmile.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/image/frown%20smiley/croatoan5376/Emoticons/smiley_emoticons_kings_nosmile.gif?o=26) http://th492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/croatoan5376/Emoticons/th_smiley_emoticons_ostern2_nosmile.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/image/frown%20smiley/croatoan5376/Emoticons/smiley_emoticons_ostern2_nosmile.gif?o=32)

[Pturner]

I thought maybe he was off getting his rabies shots. If you were a dog, wouldn't you bite Fumar?

[Boomer]

Being on the road that long has to have been really ruff on him - unless, of course, he is barking mad and drooling...:duck:

Ohdearohdearohdearohdear....

Oh my goodness, Kate, you could be right. A book tour like that would be a "ruff" trip, indeed....

From B&N to B&N -- all the time thinking, "Where have all the Borders gone?"

Getting up way too early in the morning to spar with all those local talk show hosts.

Fighting his way through hordes of picket sign wielding naysayers.

Selling that book would not have been easy. Sure sounds "ruff" to me.

But now that I think about what you said about drooling madness after such a grueling trip, I really don't think we need to worry about The Great Fumar.

Something tells me that he knows all about getting a leg up on the competition.

Boomer

[katezbox]

Ohdearohdearohdearohdear....

I really don't think we need to worry about The Great Fumar.

Something tells me that he knows all about getting a leg up on the competition.

Boomer

I bow to far superior wit....:ho::ho::ho:

[Pturner]

Yea, he'd probably collar the market.

[katezbox]

Yea, he'd probably collar the market.

:MOJE_whot::BigApplause::boom:

[ndominesey]

I love my dog, I don't love your dog. I leave my dog at home and do not take her to the Square. My dog has NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARES. In fact NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I have seen many cute foo foo yummy yummy dogs carried around by owners who really seem not to understand; I also see LARGE Dogs at the Square and I can only conclude that their owners must be space cadets. Be serious! Your Dog creates a tripping hazard when walked among the crowd. DOGS HAVE NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. WHEN YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPPY GOES PEE PEE DO YOU BRING THE LYSOL AND CLEAN IT UP? NO. Do the flower beds around the Square need your cute little dogs PEE PEE? NO! Yes I love my dog. My dog is part of MY FAMILY and I am not ignorant to the point of dragging her around a crowded Square endangering other folks who may not feel as I do about my cute little lovable foo foo member of my family. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

[red tail]

I love my dog, I don't love your dog. I leave my dog at home and do not take her to the Square. My dog has NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARES. In fact NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I have seen many cute foo foo yummy yummy dogs carried around by owners who really seem not to understand; I also see LARGE Dogs at the Square and I can only conclude that their owners must be space cadets. Be serious! Your Dog creates a tripping hazard when walked among the crowd. DOGS HAVE NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. WHEN YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPPY GOES PEE PEE DO YOU BRING THE LYSOL AND CLEAN IT UP? NO. Do the flower beds around the Square need your cute little dogs PEE PEE? NO! Yes I love my dog. My dog is part of MY FAMILY and I am not ignorant to the point of dragging her around a crowded Square endangering other folks who may not feel as I do about my cute little lovable foo foo member of my family. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

i hope you dont live here!!

[paulandjean]

I love my dog, I don't love your dog. I leave my dog at home and do not take her to the Square. My dog has NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARES. In fact NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I have seen many cute foo foo yummy yummy dogs carried around by owners who really seem not to understand; I also see LARGE Dogs at the Square and I can only conclude that their owners must be space cadets. Be serious! Your Dog creates a tripping hazard when walked among the crowd. DOGS HAVE NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. WHEN YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPPY GOES PEE PEE DO YOU BRING THE LYSOL AND CLEAN IT UP? NO. Do the flower beds around the Square need your cute little dogs PEE PEE? NO! Yes I love my dog. My dog is part of MY FAMILY and I am not ignorant to the point of dragging her around a crowded Square endangering other folks who may not feel as I do about my cute little lovable foo foo member of my family. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

I agree, You could not have expained it any better.

[Bogie Shooter]

After 164 posts................we get to start over.

[Patty55]

:wave:WHATEVER:wave:

[shcisamax]

What would TOTV be if not for a never ending poop/pee thread?

[Barefoot]

I love my dog, I don't love your dog. I leave my dog at home and do not take her to the Square. My dog has NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARES. In fact NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I have seen many cute foo foo yummy yummy dogs carried around by owners who really seem not to understand; I also see LARGE Dogs at the Square and I can only conclude that their owners must be space cadets. Be serious! Your Dog creates a tripping hazard when walked among the crowd. DOGS HAVE NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. WHEN YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPPY GOES PEE PEE DO YOU BRING THE LYSOL AND CLEAN IT UP? NO. Do the flower beds around the Square need your cute little dogs PEE PEE? NO! Yes I love my dog. My dog is part of MY FAMILY and I am not ignorant to the point of dragging her around a crowded Square endangering other folks who may not feel as I do about my cute little lovable foo foo member of my family. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

I thought this old thread was done after 164 posts, but obviously not. OK, here we go. :popcorn:

Most dog owners are seniors who are pretty sensible about making decisions. In my humble opinion, as long as dogs are permitted at the Town Squares, it is up to individual owners to decide what is humane for their pets and what is appropriate for the setting.

[graciegirl]

I love my dog, I don't love your dog. I leave my dog at home and do not take her to the Square. My dog has NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARES. In fact NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I have seen many cute foo foo yummy yummy dogs carried around by owners who really seem not to understand; I also see LARGE Dogs at the Square and I can only conclude that their owners must be space cadets. Be serious! Your Dog creates a tripping hazard when walked among the crowd. DOGS HAVE NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. WHEN YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPPY GOES PEE PEE DO YOU BRING THE LYSOL AND CLEAN IT UP? NO. Do the flower beds around the Square need your cute little dogs PEE PEE? NO! Yes I love my dog. My dog is part of MY FAMILY and I am not ignorant to the point of dragging her around a crowded Square endangering other folks who may not feel as I do about my cute little lovable foo foo member of my family. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

Boy Howdy.

and um welcome to TOTV

[Patty55]

I thought this old thread was done after 164 posts, but obviously not. OK, here we go. :popcorn:

Most dog owners are seniors who are pretty sensible about making decisions. In my humble opinion, as long as dogs are permitted at the Town Squares, it is up to individual owners to decide what is humane for their pets and what is appropriate for the setting.

AND I would like to add they should be properly dressed.

[shcisamax]

I love my dog, I don't love your dog. I leave my dog at home and do not take her to the Square. My dog has NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARES. In fact NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I have seen many cute foo foo yummy yummy dogs carried around by owners who really seem not to understand; I also see LARGE Dogs at the Square and I can only conclude that their owners must be space cadets. Be serious! Your Dog creates a tripping hazard when walked among the crowd. DOGS HAVE NO BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. WHEN YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPPY GOES PEE PEE DO YOU BRING THE LYSOL AND CLEAN IT UP? NO. Do the flower beds around the Square need your cute little dogs PEE PEE? NO! Yes I love my dog. My dog is part of MY FAMILY and I am not ignorant to the point of dragging her around a crowded Square endangering other folks who may not feel as I do about my cute little lovable foo foo member of my family. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

Seriously? Legal action? That is just ridiculous. :22yikes:

[Patty55]

Seriously? Legal action? That is just ridiculous. :22yikes:

NO, legal action was only for LEASED DOGS, not leashed. We're all good, I own mine outright. I don't believe in leasing dogs.

[Ron52]

One of the many nice things of TV's, is it is dog friendly. Don't judge all dogs by their owners.

[Patty55]

One of the many nice things of TV's, is it is dog friendly. Don't judge all dogs by their owners.

This is so true, my dog:doggie:feels the same way.

[Barefoot]

NO DOG HAS BUSINESS AT THE SQUARE. I encourage anyone who trips over someone's leased or otherwise dog to initiate legal action. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

I'm curious .... how do you feel about small children at the Squares? (Owned, not leased). They've been known to get underfoot and trip up a senior or two. Should they also be banned?

[skyguy79]

I think it's time for the Moderator to close this thread. It's run it's course a lot longer than several that were closed much sooner!

[NotGolfer]

I think it's time for the Moderator to close this thread. It's run it's course a lot longer than several that were closed much sooner!

Amen! PLUS...small children and animals aren't created equal. My dog isn't my "fur-baby". My children's annimals aren't my "grand-pets"! Please Moderator close this thread!

[Patty55]

I'm curious .... how do you feel about small children at the Squares? (Owned, not leased). They've been known to get underfoot and trip up a senior or two. Should they also be banned?

I don't have any small children, don't have any large children either. I think if they are leased you need to address this in the lease agreement.

[graciegirl]

You girls are making me spit wine on my keyboard.

[shcisamax]

Actually, I have had several old folks who can't negotiate the squares very well either because they have balance issues for one reason or another and they have stepped on my foot or stumbled into me. Guess they should be left home too. I think I need to have an attorney on retainer for the horrors I have experienced.