Family Pools

[dsnrbec]

This is the first time my grandchildren have visited since warm weather and we were very disappointed at our experience at our nearest family pool. The rules seemed a little excessive and those in charge seemed to be a little overly agressive. We have little ones and were told that no pool toys were allowed. Really? In a family pool where children are expected? No one was really rude but rather extremely "eager" to make sure no rubber duckies escaped into the water. I'm a little confused and wonder if others could explain the reasons for such strictness. I understand the need for rules but small children with age appropriate toys should be tolerated IMHO.

[graciegirl]

Some toys are allowed. Noodles are for sure but not other floating devices. I know someone will tell us what is allowed and not allowed.

I guess they have to see that rules are enforced or they will be removed from their position. I know at Hadley the neighbors granddaughters, college age, were not allowed to have those things you lie on and float around on.

The weeks around Spring break we have the most guests and I guess the staff has been directed to see that rules are followed.

Helene and I are there frequently and the staff knows us, but we are asked for our ID almost every time.

I know this will vary from pool to pool, some staff members are more meticulous than others.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is the first time my grandchildren have visited since warm weather and we were very disappointed at our experience at our nearest family pool. The rules seemed a little excessive and those in charge seemed to be a little overly agressive. We have little ones and were told that no pool toys were allowed. Really? In a family pool where children are expected? No one was really rude but rather extremely "eager" to make sure no rubber duckies escaped into the water. I'm a little confused and wonder if others could explain the reasons for such strictness. I understand the need for rules but small children with age appropriate toys should be tolerated IMHO.

The rules are the rules. They are spelled out in the telephone book and somewhere on the recreation web site (I could not find them). Trouble might be what is "age appropriate", what age or what is appropriate. Solves a lot of confusion if the items are predefined what can be taken into the pools.
My grandkids easily adapted to the rules and have fun with the noodles we always take with us.
Also, not sure what you mean by "should be tolerated" by whom?

[jchase]

:agree:

[graciegirl]

Rubber duckies were not tolerated? I think water pistols aren't allowed.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Here are the rules - from www.districtgov.org. See the 4th page of the document, lower RH corner, for the family pool info:

http://www.districtgov.org/images/RecGuide.pdf

Bill :)

[ilovetv]

Here are the rules - from www.districtgov.org. See the 4th page of the document, lower RH corner, for the family pool info:
http://www.districtgov.org/images/RecGuide.pdf
Bill :)

These sound like reasonable rules to me, considering all the ruckus and aggravation I've seen for years at other pools outside of TV. Many parents today want NO rules for the "little darlings" who might become scarred for life if told the word "no".

Throwing things and playing catch and running after them makes life miserable for adults trying to relax at a pool.....like when you're lying on a lounge chair napping, and you get hit in the chest or face with a soggy tennis ball...and the parent says "you have no right to correct MY child". Monster in the making.

"Family Pools:
• It is requested that children 36 months of age and younger wear protective rubber pants.
• Running, horseplay and throwing of any objects in the pool or deck area is prohibited.
• Noodles, unbreakable masks, goggles, and small plastic buckets are the only items allowed in the pool.
• Please encourage small guests to take bathroom breaks. • Approved life vests are permitted. Infant and toddler floatation devices are allowed with adult supervision."

[dsnrbec]

If I wanted to swim during a busy family week, I would make sure to go to an adult pool if I didn't want to be bothered by children playing. Running around and horseplay are quite a bit different than small children (ages 2 and 5) using pool toys. They can't swim and don't much care for noodles so that leaves them with nothing much to do in the water. Just saying.

[Bosoxfan]

:BigApplause:These sound like reasonable rules to me, considering all the ruckus and aggravation I've seen for years at other pools outside of TV. Many parents today want NO rules for the "little darlings" who might become scarred for life if told the word "no".

Throwing things and playing catch and running after them makes life miserable for adults trying to relax at a pool.....like when you're lying on a lounge chair napping, and you get hit in the chest or face with a soggy tennis ball...and the parent says "you have no right to correct MY child". Monster in the making.

"Family Pools:
• It is requested that children 36 months of age and younger wear protective rubber pants.
• Running, horseplay and throwing of any objects in the pool or deck area is prohibited.
• Noodles, unbreakable masks, goggles, and small plastic buckets are the only items allowed in the pool.
• Please encourage small guests to take bathroom breaks. • Approved life vests are permitted. Infant and toddler floatation devices are allowed with adult supervision."

[graciegirl]

If I wanted to swim during a busy family week, I would make sure to go to an adult pool if I didn't want to be bothered by children playing. Running around and horseplay are quite a bit different than small children (ages 2 and 5) using pool toys. They can't swim and don't much care for noodles so that leaves them with nothing much to do in the water. Just saying.

Please tell us what kind of pool toys did your little ones bring and could not use? If you can be specific it would be a help to the rest of us so we can prepare the little ones in our respective families.

[skyguy79]

The Morse organization has done a lot of right things in their planning of The Villages, but they may have fallen a little short in the planning of family pool areas.

In the camp ground we have been seasonal for years here in NY, they have an adult pool thats for 21 year olds and older. Right next to is is a separately fenced in area that has a wading pool with a fountain in the middle for the little ones where they can bring in their rubber duckies without any problems. The little ones have a blast in there. What parents have frequently done is bring their kiddies to that pool and the parents take turns going over to the heated adult pool while one stays with and supervises the kid(s).

Perhaps this family pool concern would be a non-issue today if they had thought when planning of doing similarly at the family pools in TV. Could it still be done; is there enough room to add it? I don't know the answers or if it would even be feasible, but it would be nice if they could!

[GeorgeT]

This seems like a good time to vent about people leaving their shoes by the railing used to access the neighborhood pools. I generally need to help my 90 year old Mother into the pool and all these shoes by the railing are a safety hazard. We have to step over them to get her into the pool. Please leave your shoes by your chair or buy the ones that you can wear into the pool.

Thanks.

[graciegirl]

The Morse organization has done a lot of right things in their planning of The Villages, but they may have fallen a little short in the planning of family pool areas.

In the camp ground we have been seasonal for years here in NY, they have an adult pool thats for 21 year olds and older. Right next to is is a separately fenced in area that has a wading pool with a fountain in the middle for the little ones where they can bring in their rubber duckies without any problems. The little ones have a blast in there. What parents have frequently done is bring their kiddies to that pool and the parents take turns going over to the heated adult pool while one stays with and supervises the kid(s).

Perhaps this family pool concern would be a non-issue today if they had thought when planning of doing similarly at the family pools in TV. Could it still be done; is there enough room to add it? I don't know the answers or if it would even be feasible, but it would be nice if they could!


I think...

That the planning was to make everything the best for us the residents with accommodations made for our infrequent guests. Children under the age of 19 can only visit up to 30 days per year.

So...all the pools are really adult pools, no life guards ever and no little baby pools. The ones at the rec center can have young guests but they must be accompanied by the adults.

[Bogie Shooter]

Please tell us what kind of pool toys did your little ones bring and could not use? If you can be specific it would be a help to the rest of us so we can prepare the little ones in our respective families.

Perhaps the better approach would be to look at what is allowed, rather than what was not allowed. See Bill's post above for link.

[redwitch]

I'm trying to imagine bringing my 2 YO grandson to a family pool during spring break. He wants his floating Mickey, a bucket (allowed) and at least one other bath toy. He'll be wearing his floaties (allowed) and I'll have his small inner tube (allowed). I'll have my noodle chair (allowed) and a couple of noodles (also allowed). My daughter will have another noodle chair (allowed). Another family brings their two grandchildren and 3 toys for each grandchild. And so on and so forth. That means every family is probably bringing at least 3 allowed items. That's going to make for quite a bit of things in the pool (besides the people). Now, imagine if other toys were allowed as well.

I understand your frustration but I also understand the reason for these rules. We all want to enjoy the pool and it really wouldn't be much fun if we constantly had to dodge toys (and kids don't put one toy away when they're ready to play with the next -- they would all be in the pool with them).

And I totally agree that a few wading pools next to the deeper family pools would be a truly great thing.

[skyguy79]

I think...

That the planning was to make everything the best for us the residents with accomadations made for our infrequent guests. Children under the age of 19 can only visit up to 30 days per year.

So...all the pools are really adult pools, no life guards ever and no little baby pools. The ones at the rec center can have young guests but they must be accompanied by the adults.Based on the reasoning of what you've stated I have to ask... if the Charter School can be provided by The Villages as a benefit to those who serve The Villages directly or through businesses within The Villages, then what would be the problem with The Villages providing a wading pool at a comparatively insignifant expense, in at least two neighborhood centers (one located strategicly in the northern section and another in the southern section of The Villages) where TV residents would have the option of bringing their little grandchildren without rubber duckey restrictions? Seems to me to be a no brainer win-win idea for both grandparents and users of family pools!
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[graciegirl]

Based on the reasoning of what you've stated I have to ask... if the Charter School can be provided by The Villages as a benefit to those who serve The Villages directly or through businesses within The Villages, then what would be the problem with The Villages providing a wading pool at a comparatively insignifant expense, in at least two neighborhood centers (one located strategicly in the northern section and another in the southern section of The Villages) where TV residents would have the option of bringing their little grandchildren without rubber duckey restrictions? Seems to me to be a no brainer win-win idea for both grandparents and users of family pools!
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Skyguy.

I think that those are good ideas, but it isn't gonna happen because this is not a voting form of government.

I haven't ever heard from my grandchildren or anyone else that their kids didn't have a great time at the pools the way they are. If we allowed everyone's good ideas then we would need slides and than...........life guards and.........on and on.

And then our amenity fees would be much more than the $135 that it is now.

[JenAjd]

We were doing a cart-ride on Easter Sunday and stopped by Fishhawk to just take a look. The day being hot and nice, had alot of families at this pool. The employee that was there chatted with us saying there were approx. 65 people in the pool and around it (it looked quite crowded to me) but 120 is the max and when that number comes up..then people are turned away. IF all the children at this pool had had toys (even one) it could have seemed excessive. Personally I stay away from the family pools when it's this busy. I think even some of the neighborhood pools can be this way as well. I do alot of pool-walking so try to go at a "quieter" time (late in the day or early in the day) to be comfortable. IMO I've seen some very polite families at the pools and I've also observed some who seem to take the pool over without consideration of others. But that can transcend into any activity here in T.V.

I don't have toddler grands...but can see a real need for a real children's pool area. At the family pools it isn't shallow enough for young kids. Maybe a petition should be made to the Morse's to see what could be done re: this.

[GeorgeT]

Skyguy.

I think that those are good ideas, but it isn't gonna happen because this is not a voting form of government.

I haven't ever heard from my grandchildren or anyone else that their kids didn't have a great time at the pools the way they are. If we allowed everyone's good ideas then we would need slides and than...........life guards and.........on and on.

And then our amenity fees would be much more than the $135 that it is now.

:agree:

Damm, when I was a kid we had to swim in a crappy lake with a stick for a toy. My heart bleeds for the child that can't have his rubber ducky. Jeezz!

LET IT GO!

:spoken:

[skyguy79]

Skyguy.

I think that those are good ideas, but it isn't gonna happen because this is not a voting form of government.

I haven't ever heard from my grandchildren or anyone else that their kids didn't have a great time at the pools the way they are. If we allowed everyone's good ideas then we would need slides and than...........life guards and.........on and on.

And then our amenity fees would be much more than the $135 that it is now.I'll "allow" that one to "slide" before we need "life guards" here on TOTV! :duck: :1rotfl:
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[Bogie Shooter]

Skyguy.

I think that those are good ideas, but it isn't gonna happen because this is not a voting form of government.

I haven't ever heard from my grandchildren or anyone else that their kids didn't have a great time at the pools the way they are. If we allowed everyone's good ideas then we would need slides and than...........life guards and.........on and on.

And then our amenity fees would be much more than the $135 that it is now.

Gotta agree with Gracie.
Come on, this is a retirement community. My grandkids have enjoyed the pools with the rules in place.
Any grandkids can sacrifice the fact that they cannot ride a big float in the pool. And why would we build wading pools that would not be used all that much. Go to any of the pools on non-holiday dates and count how many people/toddlers are in the pool.

[ilovetv]

I'm trying to imagine bringing my 2 YO grandson to a family pool during spring break. He wants his floating Mickey, a bucket (allowed) and at least one other bath toy. He'll be wearing his floaties (allowed) and I'll have.......
(and kids don't put one toy away when they're ready to play with the next -- they would all be in the pool with them).

And I totally agree that a few wading pools next to the deeper family pools would be a truly great thing.

Exactly.

Also, a big problem I've seen over the years in private club pools outside TV is that ANY floating small object, like a squishy ball, tennis ball, rubber duckie, etc. inevitably gets grabbed by boys between ages 5 & 18 who will run across the deck, whipping it like a missile at their buddies in or out of the water, or playing catch while falling/jumping into the water off the pool deck.

I have brothers and grown sons, and have seen for decades that throwing a ball or something like it is some kind of an irresistible, primordial urge to them. (!?!?!?!?@@#????!????!!)

We always went after our kids to stop them from annoying other pool users, but many parents do not.....as if everything their kids do is "cute" or worthy of others' praise.

I also remember taking my toddlers to pools....and separate wading pools...and the older boys would grab noodles and WHIP them on the surface of the water, taking out their aggression or purposely intimidating....or just being immature as they are.

Taking toddlers to a non-wading pool is anything but "fun". Our preschoolers played and played in the portable wading pools we used to set up on the deck or in the back yard. There, we could watch them without dealing with older kids to discipline....which their parents wouldn't tolerate anyway.

[Tbugs]

After reading these posts, I am glad I only go to a Neighborhood (adult) pool where the youngest person is 30 years old.

No way would I support wading pools. What a waste of money that would be - and like Gracie says (she always is so smart), our amenity fee would certainly increase if we had things like wading pools, lifeguards, etc.

[angela1990]

I understand everyone has a different point of view and you can't ever make everyone happy. When my grandchildren are here (both under 2) I have a little wading pool I purchased in Walmart. The little ones love it and I do too, because I have all the convenience of home while they are amused in the pool. The older grandchilren (5, 7 and 9) love the family pool with their noodles. They also love having mommy and daddy paying more attention to them then the little ones. Everyone is happy.

[katezbox]

When my children were little, an elderly relative wanted us to come visit her in Sun City, AZ. She never married, had no children and was an only child. She thought a great trip would be a lengthy car ride with two kids under the age of 5 to visit the Grand canyon, Lake Meade, etc. At the time, in Sun City, only a couple of the pools were open to children at all - and then only for a limited time during the day.

I think the Morse family has done a great job with the pools and rules. If children were allowed to live in TV, I would support the wading pool idea...but they aren't. Nothing stops grandparents from blowing up an inflatable pool in their yards for the littlest ones.

Also, in addition to the comments on number of toys, etc, rubber duckies, boats, etc can take on water. That means they can provide a lovely place to grow bacteria and then introduce it into a pool.

If folks think the rules are too restrictive, mention them in your survey next year or start a petition... We have a chuckle here that my daughter who has been out in the work world for quite some time as an adult, must go to the family pool as she is only 29!

k

[Ohiogirl]

the family pools (at least the ones I've been to) have the same wide shallow steps as the adult pools - makes a great area to sit with the truly little ones. I see no need to build separate wading pools.

And really, no one seems to squawk if kids are playing responsibly with a couple of diving or floating toys. I certainly wouldn't complain unless they were annoying someone - and if they are, there's someone at the desk in the rec center to handle it if needed. I'd probably tell the kids to keep them on the other side of the pool from any little ones on the steps, if they seem to be bothered, but that's about it.

It is pretty unreasonable to expect boys above about age 5 to play with a plastic bucket (unless they're throwing it)!

[katezbox]

the family pools (at least the ones I've been to) have the same wide shallow steps as the adult pools - makes a great area to sit with the truly little ones. I see no need to build separate wading pools.

And really, no one seems to squawk if kids are playing responsibly with a couple of diving or floating toys. I certainly wouldn't complain unless they were annoying someone - and if they are, there's someone at the desk in the rec center to handle it if needed. I'd probably tell the kids to keep them on the other side of the pool from any little ones on the steps, if they seem to be bothered, but that's about it.

It is pretty unreasonable to expect boys above about age 5 to play with a plastic bucket (unless they're throwing it)!

Ohiogirl,

The rules are there for a reason. We really don't get to pick and choose.

Floating and diving toys are not allowed. If boys over 5 need something else to play with - when they have a whole pool to use - then maybe they shouldn't be at the pool.

k

[dsnrbec]

Since someone asked in a previous post, the children had 3 or 4 small floating toys (no larger than a tennis ball) and we were asked to remove them from the pool. As I understand it, there are no toys allowed except for a plastic bucket. I'm all for rules -- they are part of what makes TV a great place to live for everyone. My only point to the original post was that this particular rule didn't make a lot of sense to me. Some have brought up good points that I hadn't originally considered. I surely wouldn't want my grandchildren to annoy anyone else but I do want them to love visiting me here!

[Bogie Shooter]

Since someone asked in a previous post, the children had 3 or 4 small floating toys (no larger than a tennis ball) and we were asked to remove them from the pool. As I understand it, there are no toys allowed except for a plastic bucket. I'm all for rules -- they are part of what makes TV a great place to live for everyone. My only point to the original post was that this particular rule didn't make a lot of sense to me. Some have brought up good points that I hadn't originally considered. I surely wouldn't want my grandchildren to annoy anyone else but I do want them to love visiting me here!

They will, regardless if they do or do not have their floating toys in the pool

[katezbox]

They will, regardless if they do or do not have there floating toys in the pool

Absolutely agree!

[Boudicca]

My family similarly had an unpleasant experience this Sunday at Fishhawk family pool. Baby toys were taken from toddlers by the guard (the "no toy rule", despite there being no such rule posted at the pool). I understand now, that rules are listed elsewhere. My disappointment was additionally aimed at the only family in the pool who complained to the guard. Prior to this family's arrival, the other 61 of us had watched children happily playing with their harmless pool toys (and I mean FOAM toys, or baloon like beach balls) This one family gathered in a corner of the pool, and vocally decided things were not to THEIR liking. We had observed the most senior lady of the group, apparently being very fearful of splashing. (new hair do). Perhaps that family would have been happier in the adult pool, where presumably there would be no splashing. Not content to glower at the children (in a childrens' pool no less), they issued a formal complaint. We then heard the relief attendant, declare "well, I like a challenge" That apparently appeased them, because they left the pool..... My 14 year old grand-daughter's comment, "Well, this is not my idea of America's friendliest home town".... out of the mouths of babes..... We have since officially complained over the way the entire fracas was handled. Not so happy grandma.

[bluedog103]

• Noodles, unbreakable masks, goggles, and small plastic buckets are the only items allowed in the pool.
• Please encourage small guests to take bathroom breaks. • Approved life vests are permitted. Infant and toddler floatation devices are allowed with adult supervision."

How large can that small bucket be? What if the bucket is shaped like a duck?
Can the toddler flotation device look like a duck?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, rules are rules are rules etc.
Sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

[katezbox]

My family similarly had an unpleasant experience this Sunday at Fishhawk family pool. Baby toys were taken from toddlers by the guard (the "no toy rule", despite there being no such rule posted at the pool). I understand now, that rules are listed elsewhere. My disappointment was additionally aimed at the only family in the pool who complained to the guard. Prior to this family's arrival, the other 61 of us had watched children happily playing with their harmless pool toys (and I mean FOAM toys, or baloon like beach balls) This one family gathered in a corner of the pool, and vocally decided things were not to THEIR liking. We had observed the most senior lady of the group, apparently being very fearful of splashing. (new hair do). Perhaps that family would have been happier in the adult pool, where presumably there would be no splashing. Not content to glower at the children (in a childrens' pool no less), they issued a formal complaint. We then heard the relief attendant, declare "well, I like a challenge" That apparently appeased them, because they left the pool..... My 14 year old grand-daughter's comment, "Well, this is not my idea of America's friendliest home town".... out of the mouths of babes..... We have since officially complained over the way the entire fracas was handled. Not so happy grandma.

I am sorry that you had this experience, and that the attendant was not able to adhere to the rules without causing offense...that is something of a thankless job. But, to be fair, it is not a children's pool.

[graciegirl]

My family similarly had an unpleasant experience this Sunday at Fishhawk family pool. Baby toys were taken from toddlers by the guard (the "no toy rule", despite there being no such rule posted at the pool). I understand now, that rules are listed elsewhere. My disappointment was additionally aimed at the only family in the pool who complained to the guard. Prior to this family's arrival, the other 61 of us had watched children happily playing with their harmless pool toys (and I mean FOAM toys, or baloon like beach balls) This one family gathered in a corner of the pool, and vocally decided things were not to THEIR liking. We had observed the most senior lady of the group, apparently being very fearful of splashing. (new hair do). Perhaps that family would have been happier in the adult pool, where presumably there would be no splashing. Not content to glower at the children (in a childrens' pool no less), they issued a formal complaint. We then heard the relief attendant, declare "well, I like a challenge" That apparently appeased them, because they left the pool..... My 14 year old grand-daughter's comment, "Well, this is not my idea of America's friendliest home town".... out of the mouths of babes..... We have since officially complained over the way the entire fracas was handled. Not so happy grandma.

Were the toys really "taken" from the toddlers in the sense they were removed from their hands or physically removed from the pool??? Or were the parents asked to not put them in the pool.

[bluedog103]

I am sorry that you had this experience, and that the attendant was not able to adhere to the rules without causing offense...that is something of a thankless job. But, to be fair, it is not a children's pool.

You're right, Fishhawk isn't a childrens pool but it is a family pool. To me, "family pool" implies that children may be there. Children are not small adults. They do children things.
My wife and I like to go to Fishhawk sometimes because there are families there, kids and all. Kind of like the real world.
One afternoon there were about a half dozen kids there having fun. Nothing especially rowdy, nothing really loud. In comes in an old grouch and proceeds to sit by us. He immediately began glaring at the kids and complaining to anyone withing earshot. I tried to be ignore him but finally got tired of listening to him. I asked him why he didn't go to a neighborhood pool if kids bothered him that much. Now he glared at me, as if I cared, and went stomping off.
Good riddance.

[dillywho]

Many established rules do not always make sense or may seem ridiculous to some in many areas, not just this pool discussion. Seems like a lot of problems could be avoided if people would be more proactive rather than reactive.

This could be a teaching lesson for everyone from the children to the staff charged with rules compliance. Kids need to learn that there are boundaries (or rules, if you will) in many aspects of life and everything is not always what we would like or are in agreement with. I know that as a teenager especially, I thought many of my mother's rules were totally off the wall when she actually had some really sound reasons for establishing and enforcing them. Did I always get a detailed explanation of them? No. Did I have to abide by them even if I didn't agree or like? Absolutely.

Maybe a flyer could be handed out to residents when they pick up their guest passes regarding do's and don'ts for use of the amenities with reference to where to find a more detailed ruling of each. Some are already pretty much spelled out on the sheet containing the cards.

[graciegirl]

That was a great post Dillywho. I reread my posts on this thread and I think I came off sounding antichild when in truth I love little ones, enjoy being with them and watching other peoples and was a kindergarten teacher for decades, my happiest job.

My point is that none of us would be disappointed so badly if we knew what to expect, the big ones and the little ones. Sometimes the rules do chafe, but when we have a LOT of company in TV such as this holiday time, than the rules are probably more closely enforced. Pool toys lying around can trip seniors, of course they would be clumsy and older than me, but they could. When we go to a family pool, we go with the expectation that it will be loud and busy and smaller humans will be making quick and unexpected movements. I see people playing a lot with kids and talking to them and carrying them. I never really saw anyone not having a good time, big or little. Grandparents were lavishing attention on their little folks and the little ones were smiling back. I know, if I had a small grandchild, I would want to get them the biggest soaker I could find and have a fleet of rubber duckies for them. I am sorry if I sounded uncaring. My college age grandchildren want to discuss political philosophy. What fun is that???

A flyer with the passes is a wonderful idea.

[ddan32162]

I agree "rules are rules" and that the attendants are held accountable during their watches. However, last summer my grandson (10 yrs. old) was using a mask, snorkel and rubber flippers, and was told he couldn't use them (other than the mask). It does seem a little extreme at times. I suppose that's why people have private pools installed.

:sigh:

[dillywho]

That was a great post Dillywho. I reread my posts on this thread and I think I came off sounding antichild when in truth I love little ones, enjoy being with them and watching other peoples and was a kindergarten teacher for decades, my happiest job.

My point is that none of us would be disappointed so badly if we knew what to expect, the big ones and the little ones. Sometimes the rules do chafe, but when we have a LOT of company in TV such as this holiday time, than the rules are probably more closely enforced. Pool toys lying around can trip seniors, of course they would be clumsy and older than me, but they could. When we go to a family pool, we go with the expectation that it will be loud and busy and smaller humans will be making quick and unexpected movements. I see people playing a lot with kids and talking to them and carrying them. I never really saw anyone not having a good time, big or little. Grandparents were lavishing attention on their little folks and the little ones were smiling back. I know, if I had a small grandchild, I would want to get them the biggest soaker I could find and have a fleet of rubber duckies for them. I am sorry if I sounded uncaring. My college age grandchildren want to discuss political philosophy. What fun is that???

A flyer with the passes is a wonderful idea.

Thanks, Gracie. I, too, love the little ones and know for a fact that you do.

My point is/was that you can teach them that when there are rules, they are to be observed. This doesn't mean that you don't love them...quite the contrary. Children are going to love their grandparents even if they don't let them have what they want. They will still love them even when they don't get to drive the golf cart, play on the billiards tables, take any items they desire to the pool, etc. It's up to us to guide our youth to be good, caring, and responsible adults. We can do that and still have great, memorable times together.:clap2:

[nitehawk]

Why can't I take my scuba gear to the neighborhood pool -- why can't my grandchildren bring there kayak to the family pool (it is not the children's pool) - - why why why --- maybe we could have a priority membership for a chrildrens pool you can buy for an additional $500 per year,--- maybe grandma and grandpa could take the children to the beach---sorry there are rules there too.

[DaleMN]

Why can't I take my scuba gear to the neighborhood pool -- why can't my grandchildren bring there kayak to the family pool (it is not the children's pool) - - why why why --- maybe we could have a priority membership for a chrildrens pool you can buy for an additional $500 per year,--- maybe grandma and grandpa could take the children to the beach---sorry there are rules there too.

Agree fully.:BigApplause:

[jblum315]

At least we have pools where children are allowed. My kids other grandmother had a condo in Hallendale (FL) where no kids were allowed in the 4-ft deep pool at all. Fortunately there was a beach just yards away.

[katezbox]

You're right, Fishhawk isn't a childrens pool but it is a family pool. To me, "family pool" implies that children may be there. Children are not small adults. They do children things.
My wife and I like to go to Fishhawk sometimes because there are families there, kids and all. Kind of like the real world.
One afternoon there were about a half dozen kids there having fun. Nothing especially rowdy, nothing really loud. In comes in an old grouch and proceeds to sit by us. He immediately began glaring at the kids and complaining to anyone withing earshot. I tried to be ignore him but finally got tired of listening to him. I asked him why he didn't go to a neighborhood pool if kids bothered him that much. Now he glared at me, as if I cared, and went stomping off.
Good riddance.

Bluedog,

I don't disagree with you that children are children - or that one reason to go to the family pools is to enjoy the pure joy that they bring.

I do agree with Dilly - the rules are there for a reason, and whether we agree or think they are silly and arbitrary, they are still the rules. They are a great way to teach our children that there are boundaries. Just as we tell them that, as much fun as it might be to ride on the back of the golf cart, or to drive that golf cart - it is not allowed.

Children need boundaries and limits to grow up responsibly. If they see the adults in their life breaking the rules - then how do they learn?

If you don't like the current rules, lobby to get them changed - be proactive. Neither being a grumpy old sourpuss around kids being kids nor ignoring the rules is justified...

[memason]

What's ironic, is that the only ones who complain about the rules are the adults! I took my Grandkids [ages 9 and 5] to the pool and they were promptly told they could not take the pool toys into the pool. So, they [Grandkids] put the toys back in the bag, popped on their goggles and had a great time in the pool. The only ones, who were "mildly" upset by the rules, were my Son and DIL.... They got over it pretty quickly, but they did grumble a little.

Bottomline: Kids don't care. They are the ones most affected by the rules and they couldn't care less. They just want to spend time with you.

[Russ_Boston]

What's ironic, is that the only ones who complain about the rules are the adults! I took my Grandkids [ages 9 and 5] to the pool and they were promptly told they could not take the pool toys into the pool. So, they [Grandkids] put the toys back in the bag, popped on their goggles and had a great time in the pool. The only ones, who were "mildly" upset by the rules, were my Son and DIL.... They got over it pretty quickly, but they did grumble a little.

Bottomline: Kids don't care. They are the ones most affected by the rules and they couldn't care less. They just want to spend time with you.

Great post and so correct IMO.

Remember when we were kids and our parents said we couldn't get to the ballpark or something. What did we do? We rolled a few pair of old socks together and played something we called sockball. Just use your arm as a bat and the socks as the ball. You could play in the street or the driveway and have all the fun you could handle. I'm sure many of you did as well.

Kids will find a way to have fun.

[Barefoot]

Maybe a petition should be made to the Morse's to see what could be done re: this.

No petition necessary ..... this is why we have an Annual Survey. If enough people request a change via the Survey, the developers will certainly consider it. I personally feel the pool situation is fine as is. I think having an adult pool plus a family pool in every neighbourhood is genius.

[skyguy79]

No petition necessary ..... this is why we have an Annual Survey. If enough people request a change via the Survey, the developers will certainly consider it. I personally feel the pool situation is fine as is. I think having an adult pool plus a family pool in every neighbourhood is genius.I believe that you're absolutely right that things are "fine as they are." However, "fine as they are" is not a "dead end street" and can usually have room for "but can be improved" added to it. Kiddie pools are not a necessity in TV, but neither are bird cages, spas, pools and other luxuries many of us add to our homes! Just saying!

[Russ_Boston]

Kiddie pools are not a necessity in TV, but neither are bird cages, spas, pools and other luxuries many of us add to our homes! Just saying!

But choices we make to our homes only require the decision of the homeowners (assuming ARC approval). Doesn't hurt to put your thoughts into the survey, that's why they do it. But I would bet the family pools situation will remain status quo.

[Bogie Shooter]

This to will pass.......

[skyguy79]

But choices we make to our homes only require the decision of the homeowners (assuming ARC approval). True, but I don't see any relevancy to the point I was making in it's full or partial context!

[Russ_Boston]

True, but I don't see any relevancy to the point I was making in it's full or partial context!

My point was that you were saying those things we add to our homes are not necessities and neither is a kiddie pool. But WE as homeowners can easily decide to add these non necessities while it would take a large majority of homeowners to override the current pool situation.

Maybe you could restate your point? I don't see how what we do with our homes has any baring on what the developer does with the pools.

I guess I just didn't get your point.

[Pturner]

Thanks, Gracie. I, too, love the little ones and know for a fact that you do.

My point is/was that you can teach them that when there are rules, they are to be observed. This doesn't mean that you don't love them...quite the contrary. Children are going to love their grandparents even if they don't let them have what they want. They will still love them even when they don't get to drive the golf cart, play on the billiards tables, take any items they desire to the pool, etc. It's up to us to guide our youth to be good, caring, and responsible adults. We can do that and still have great, memorable times together.:clap2:

Beautifully said!

[Barefoot]

I believe that you're absolutely right that things are "fine as they are." However, "fine as they are" is not a "dead end street" and can usually have room for "but can be improved" added to it. Kiddie pools are not a necessity in TV, but neither are bird cages, spas, pools and other luxuries many of us add to our homes! Just saying!

My point was that you were saying those things we add to our homes are not necessities and neither is a kiddie pool. But WE as homeowners can easily decide to add these non necessities while it would take a large majority of homeowners to override the current pool situation.

Maybe you could restate your point? I don't see how what we do with our homes has any baring on what the developer does with the pools.

I guess I just didn't get your point.

Sorry Skyguy, but like Russ, I think I missed the connection. The Developer would presumably be called upon to pay for Kiddie Pools if the majority of people wanted them. Whereas home improvemements (like birdcages) are individual expenses made by the home owner.

[Ohiogirl]

I'm guessing that most of you who think the "no toys" rule is just fine do not have grandsons between 5 and 18. The annual survey is a nice place to input your ideas, but who will really care about this unless they have grandchildren (and particularly boys) in the above age range. I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring.

But why not have a few (maybe every 4th one) family pools designated as "family activity pools" where you are allowed certain toys and maybe even have volleyball games for teens and parents and grandparents during the busy periods? Those with little kids can go to the other pools. Those adults who don't want to be splashed should go to the adult pools anyway (IMHO).

[GeorgeT]

But choices we make to our homes only require the decision of the homeowners (assuming ARC approval). Doesn't hurt to put your thoughts into the survey, that's why they do it. But I would bet the family pools situation will remain status quo.

Apples and oranges.

[memason]

I'm guessing that most of you who think the "no toys" rule is just fine do not have grandsons between 5 and 18. The annual survey is a nice place to input your ideas, but who will really care about this unless they have grandchildren (and particularly boys) in the above age range. I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring.

But why not have a few (maybe every 4th one) family pools designated as "family activity pools" where you are allowed certain toys and maybe even have volleyball games for teens and parents and grandparents during the busy periods? Those with little kids can go to the other pools. Those adults who don't want to be splashed should go to the adult pools anyway (IMHO).

As I indicated in my previous post, my Grandsons are 5 and 9. They couldn't give a rip about the restriction on pool toys. They still had a good time. If I explained the contents of this thread to them they would say "whatever Grandpa....lets go for a drive in the golf cart!" :D

Just saying... I don't think the kids care. I know mine didn't.

[Bogie Shooter]

As I indicated in my previous post, my Grandsons are 5 and 9. They couldn't give a rip about the restriction on pool toys. They still had a good time. If I explained the contents of this thread to them they would say "whatever Grandpa....lets go for a drive in the golf cart!" :D

Just saying... I don't think the kids care. I know mine didn't.

Nor do mine, eight of them under 12.

[skyguy79]

My point was that you were saying those things we add to our homes are not necessities and neither is a kiddie pool. But WE as homeowners can easily decide to add these non necessities while it would take a large majority of homeowners to override the current pool situation.

Maybe you could restate your point? I don't see how what we do with our homes has any baring on what the developer does with the pools.

I guess I just didn't get your point.Russ, I think you're reading more into this than what I actually stated. However, I'll try and restate my point, but I'll be doing it without bringing in anything else that preceeded the statement you reacted to...

My main point is that "just because the family pools are fine as they are, that does not mean that there is no room for improvement."

The rest of the post was secondary and made to in effect state that a kiddies pool is no less a good thing than the bird cages, etc. What it was not was a negative against those personal items. Perhaps I could have worded this latter item better, but I guess I'm not smart enought to know how then and I still don't know how I could have made it better even now!

One final statement to all... I don't think that I generally feel any different about the family pools than most who have expressed themselves on this thread. I consider those pools to be a positive thing for everyone, even as they currently are, but they're just not for me, and that's for personal reasons only.

When I brought up the idea of kiddies pools, I was just trying to share an idea that I've seen or experienced and thought it was a positive idea that warranted my sharing. We can differ in opinion about it, but I do hope people took it for what it was intended... food for thought!

[SALYBOW]

When we were at the family pool the kids had a small, soft ball which they were tossing back and forth. That is a no-no. He said it is pretty much like, "if it is fun...you can't do it." From his mouth to God's ears!

[Ohiogirl]

When we were at the family pool the kids had a small, soft ball which they were tossing back and forth. That is a no-no. He said it is pretty much like, "if it is fun...you can't do it." From his mouth to God's ears!


Agreed. Memason - a day or two without pool toys is fine, but longer . . . is boring.

[GeorgeT]

[QUOTE=Ohiogirl;350176]I'm guessing that most of you who think the "no toys" rule is just fine do not have grandsons between 5 and 18. The annual survey is a nice place to input your ideas, but who will really care about this unless they have grandchildren (and particularly boys) in the above age range. I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring.

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't have grand children between 5 and 18.

[Snowbirdtobe]

Many people in TV don't have children. My grandchildren are under 5.

[skyguy79]

I'm guessing that most of you who think the "no toys" rule is just fine do not have grandsons between 5 and 18. The annual survey is a nice place to input your ideas, but who will really care about this unless they have grandchildren (and particularly boys) in the above age range. I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring.

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't have grand children between 5 and 18.Ohiogirl is not hard pressed and needs look no further since I have no grandchildren of any age... and I do care. If I didn't I wouldn't have bothered to have presented the idea of a separate kiddies pool.

I do think the rules are just fine as they are, but I wouldn't have any problem with making a comment on a survey if I read some safe & reasonable suggestion(s) on this forum to make an improvement to the family pool rules... providing those suggestions didn't provide an annoyance to the other adults there w/o children. Remember that it's a "Family" pool, not just a "Kids" pool and a family can be a family of adults without kids! i.e family with adults under 30!

[GeorgeT]

Ohiogirl is not hard pressed and needs look no further since I have no grandchildren of any age... and I do care. If I didn't I wouldn't have bothered to have presented the idea of a separate kiddies pool.

I do think the rules are just fine as they are, but I wouldn't have any problem with making a comment on a survey if I read some safe & reasonable suggestion(s) on this forum to make an improvement to the family pool rules... providing those suggestions didn't provide an annoyance to the other adults there w/o children. Remember that it's a "Family" pool, not just a "Kids" pool and a family can be a family of adults without kids! i.e family with adults under 30!

I respectfully either disagree with or don't understand just about everything you say.

[Ohiogirl]

He's possibly means that you cannot take your adult children (under 30) to the adult pools. Maybe they're trying to keep the "not quite out of the nest yet" kids out. It does seem a little ridiculous to me that our childless adult professional (or not professional) children of 27 or so have to go to the family pool.

That's another pool rule I'd like to see tweaked - change the age to 25. Does anyone know why they chose 30?

[LI SNOWBIRD]

I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring.

If they find it boring then perhaps they should take advantage of other activities.
:clap2:

[skyguy79]

I respectfully either disagree with or don't understand just about everything you say.George, I appreciate what you said and take it as constructive. I've reviewed what I've written and have tried to see what or where the problem might be, but I can't. Beyond that it's near impossible for me to adequately respond to this any further since I don't know specifically what you think you might disagree with, nor can I read what I've written through your eyes. So let me just simply say, without jumping into the deep end, (pun intended) that I care about the kids while equally caring about ALL users of the pools!

[skyguy79]

I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring. If they find it boring then perhaps they should take advantage of other activities.
:clap2::thumbup:

He's possibly means that you cannot take your adult children (under 30) to the adult pools. Maybe they're trying to keep the "not quite out of the nest yet" kids out. It does seem a little ridiculous to me that our childless adult professional (or not professional) children of 27 or so have to go to the family pool.

That's another pool rule I'd like to see tweaked - change the age to 25. Does anyone know why they chose 30?:thumbup:

[memason]

George, I appreciate what you said and take it as constructive. I've reviewed what I've written and have tried to see what or where the problem might be, but I can't. Beyond that it's near impossible for me to adequately respond to this any further since I don't know specifically what you think you might disagree with, nor can I read what I've written through your eyes. So let me just simply say, without jumping into the deep end, (pun intended) that I care about the kids while equally caring about ALL users of the pools!

ha ha ha... have you ever considered running for political office ???

[GeorgeT]

ha ha ha... have you ever considered running for political office ???

Yep, I guess that's what it is. I don't understand politicians either!:BigApplause:

[oceangirl]

As I indicated in my previous post, my Grandsons are 5 and 9. They couldn't give a rip about the restriction on pool toys. They still had a good time. If I explained the contents of this thread to them they would say "whatever Grandpa....lets go for a drive in the golf cart!" :D

Just saying... I don't think the kids care. I know mine didn't.

:thumbup: couldn't agree with you more. My grandsons ages 10 and 12 would still have fun in the pool. And would be ready to move on to a drive in the golf cart. My three grandchildren are excitied to come visit us when the weather is cold up north. I get so much enjoyment just knowing they are having fun. I just want to move into our beautiful new home in Buttonwood.
and just thank our lucky stars we are in a wonderful place called The Villages
Too many other big problems to worry about. Right?:ho:

[BookBarb]

We haven't moved to TV yet, but will be there before long. We have 2 grandchildren, 4 year old boy and 2 year old girl. As long as someone is interacting with them in a pool, they have a blast. They do not need "toy". floats, snorkeling equipment, etc to have fun. The rules, in my opinion, are no more restrictive than any public or private pool. They, too, have rules about running, horseplay, throwing things, and other unsafe practices. Adults have to realize they are children, and children need to learn what is acceptable in different situations and locations.
We are looking forward to our upcoming move.

[mrfixit]

We haven't moved to TV yet, but will be there before long. We have 2 grandchildren, 4 year old boy and 2 year old girl. As long as someone is interacting with them in a pool, they have a blast. They do not need "toy". floats, snorkeling equipment, etc to have fun. The rules, in my opinion, are no more restrictive than any public or private pool. They, too, have rules about running, horseplay, throwing things, and other unsafe practices. Adults have to realize they are children, and children need to learn what is acceptable in different situations and locations.
We are looking forward to our upcoming move.

THANK YOU...well said. IMHO the rules are there for the benefit of ALL. My narrow mind believes that not being able to take pool floats and other items into the pools is a GOOD thing. Think about it, pool floats obstruct vision. How bad would you feel if some child was needing help but no one saw them because the line of vision was obstructed.

[kandj]

[QUOTE=Ohiogirl;350176]I'm guessing that most of you who think the "no toys" rule is just fine do not have grandsons between 5 and 18. The annual survey is a nice place to input your ideas, but who will really care about this unless they have grandchildren (and particularly boys) in the above age range. I think most kids from 8-18 would think our family pools are boring.

I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't have grand children between 5 and 18.

My grandkids are 22 mos to not yet born (due in 9/2011)! If the kids think our pools are boring, then someone in the family should spring for tickets to somewhere like "wet and wild"! When my kids were of the age that were bored by normal pools, hubs took our kids and the neice/nephew there. He will probably take the grandkids there too!

[bkcunningham1]

We just experienced the family pools. I love our visitors with children; but I am glad they have made it safely back home and we are now able to return to the adult pools. The family pools were packed to standing room only capacity. There is barely room for the people, let alone toys. Parents were worse than the kids, IMHO. One day, there was a group of adults and children standing in a circle in the shallow end of the pool playing monkey in the middle tossing a ball. It got out of hand. One father was running and jumping cannonball style into the pool full of people with his three sons. Please, whatever happened to commonsense and common courtesy?

[ilovetv]

"One father was running and jumping cannonball style into the pool full of people with his three sons."

And did they whip him a ball while in the air after jumping off the pool side and before making sure he cannonball splashed everyone else there?

Or how about doing some no-hands "sailor" dives (diving head first with hands firmly at their sides) into 5-foot deep water? Guys like this are the norm in too many situations now and that's why more safety rules are added.

[JenAjd]

I was at a family pool one day awhile back and a family came down. The dad proceeded to dive in the pool after which I pointed to the sign and said "they don't want you diving due to it being dangerous!" He responded with "Oh, I know!" and did it again... My thought is....do it then and suffer whatever the consequences! I've known of more than one person who has had neck injuries and worse from doing such things! It's just crazy how people don't think that rules apply to them....just everyone else!

[bkcunningham1]

It was really eye-opening, frustrating and sort of sad for me to see adults act so irresponsible. I would remind my niece and nephew to be careful not to splash and I'd quietly remind them to watch out around the younger kids. It was disheartening to see adults behave as if they have no concern for others. Worse than that, they were setting that example for their children. Sad.

[skyguy79]

Or how about doing some no-hands "sailor" dives (diving head first with hands firmly at their sides) into 5-foot deep water? Guys like this are the norm in too many situations now and that's why more safety rules are added.Just a short story to demonstrate the danger of acting like the guy your talking about!

When I was a teenager I was at a pool and did what I'll call an upside down cannon ball... arms in same position as regular cannon ball but entering the water head first. I had done this same dive many times prior, but one time I forgot to pull out of it as soon as I hit the water and smacked my head on the concrete bottom of the pool. (no wise cracks please) The pool wasn't just 5 feet deep but 7 feet. Left a good mark on my forehead and it was the last time I ever did it!

Now not too long before this happened we had a kid in our small town that got hit on the forehead with an ice sickle that fell from his home roof top, didn't get medical attention and died the next morning. But in my case I was too young and too stupid to learn from his death and didn't say anything to anyone. I had trouble sleeping that night because I started worring about if I would make it until morning.

[whartonjelly]

My friend in college was taking a class as a phys ed major , where she was in a swimming pool with others. One of the students drowned right in front of the teacher. No one saw her struggle. They apparently did not teach the buddy system that I was taught as a child.

I also once had to climb up on a picnic table to scream at some young mothers who were chit chatting. A baby was at the bottom of the kiddie pool! I was behind a fence. I agree with the interacting of the little ones for their own saftey.

[K9-Lovers]

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad227/kaytee_13/Icons/Emoticons/crazy/sleep.gifGlad you did ..... make it to morning, that is. :laugh:

[skyguy79]

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad227/kaytee_13/Icons/Emoticons/crazy/sleep.gifGlad you did ..... make it to morning, that is. :laugh:Thanks... mee too!!! Just think about it. If I didn't I'd be know as GhostMan today here on TOTV! :1rotfl: