Osama Bin Laden is killed

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I've been waiting for a long time for this.... And to think the community organizer with no experience was able to pull this off.

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I've been waiting for a long time for this.... And to think the community organizer with no experience was able to pull this off.
Don't you think that maybe the U.S. intelligence agencies and U.S. military had maybe just a little to do with this?

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cologal :1rotfl:

How the heck have you been? I haven't been around much lately and I haven't seen posts by you when I have looked in on ToTV.

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USA! USA!
You can run but you cannot hide!

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something that all americans on all sides can agree upon! we are all glad he has been killed! not for vengeance, but for some small justice.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc&sns=fb

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I just heard on NBC that the special ops team that did the deed was made up of Navy Seals. There were no Americans injured or killed during the operation.

Xavier

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It took almost all of 10 years to finally track this blot on humanity down and send him to his maker, but the vigilance of the armed forces of the U.S. prevailed as we always knew they would.

In all fairness The President of the U.S. is the Commander-In-Chief, and as such, gets credit for having the right people in the right place at the right time. I'm partisan, but I'm not a hypocrite. I would have applauded the former president, and I applaud this one. It's a great day for America and for all Americans.

I know I will be criticizing him again real soon, but not today.

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One nation, under God, indivisible... with Liberty and Justice for all! We should all remember this more often!

President Obama rocks! Our armed forces and special ops rock!

One more piece of evil gone from this Earth. :clap2:

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Both sides can revel in the death of this evil, evil man.
But when my wife told me he was buried at sea my first thought was "oh, oh, there will be 'deathers' heard from soon" and isn't that a sad state of affairs considering this great accomplishment for the USA (note that I did not say Obama). I hope I am wrong, but keep an eye on it.

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Great Day, and the President as Commander in Chief gets to take credit to allow the operation to go on. Navy SEALS are the best. Worked with some during my Navy days. Absolute BEST warriors.

Only issue for me is the news that "He was given a proper Muslim burial", and at sea to avoid a shrine being built etc. The issue is that I hope it was shark infested waters, and that he was "buried" naked and bleeding.

Too rough, sorry, still can't get the vision of those poor people jumping to their deaths from the burning towers out of my head.

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Perhaps here is what was last in Osama's last thoughts.

Just sayin......

http://www.sealswcc.com/seal-default.aspx

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Great Day, and the President as Commander in Chief gets to take credit to allow the operation to go on. Navy SEALS are the best. Worked with some during my Navy days. Absolute BEST warriors.



Awesome Warriors! Spent three years at Little Creek, VA.

Xavier

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I love America and I love our military especially the Navy. My Dad a retired Navy man still has vision and tenacity. Still waters run deep. The job took a decade but we took care of business.

Thank you for a job well done. God bless America!

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Both sides can revel in the death of this evil, evil man.
But when my wife told me he was buried at sea my first thought was "oh, oh, there will be 'deathers' heard from soon" and isn't that a sad state of affairs considering this great accomplishment for the USA (note that I did not say Obama). I hope I am wrong, but keep an eye on it.

We need pictures and we need them real soon. The American people will be demanding that, for the same reason we go to view the deceased at a wake. We need to see with our own eyes for true closure. Without that, what you fear will become reality.

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We need pictures and we need them real soon. The American people will be demanding that, for the same reason we go to view the deceased at a wake. We need to see with our own eyes for true closure. Without that, what you fear will become reality.

It's already started. A site on the web claimed the photos of him with a hole in his head were really not him. Damn I wish we could all get together.

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Just in....DNA evidence proves with 99.9% certainty that it was, in fact, bin Laden.

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We need pictures and we need them real soon. The American people will be demanding that, for the same reason we go to view the deceased at a wake. We need to see with our own eyes for true closure. Without that, what you fear will become reality.

True closure?

I am beginning to form the opinion that a viewing is not a great thing. I am leaning more toward a memorial ceremony with a picture of me in a good light.

It will become a reality, because the reality is that some of us trust the government and some of us do not.

I have no reason to think that this is a scam.

But I have heard and read some tall tales on here and heard some urban legends. Some people want to believe preposterous things and I am not sure why. Some people like to stir the pot. Some people like to hate.

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True closure?

I am beginning to form the opinion that a viewing is not a great thing. I am leaning more toward a memorial ceremony with a picture of me in a good light.

It will become a reality, because the reality is that some of us trust the government and some of us do not.

I have no reason to think that this is a scam.

But I have heard and read some tall tales on here and heard some urban legends. Some people want to believe preposterous things and I am not sure why. Some people like to stir the pot. Some people like to hate.

Can someone give me an amen?

AMEN.

Xavier

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True closure?

I am beginning to form the opinion that a viewing is not a great thing. I am leaning more toward a memorial ceremony with a picture of me in a good light.

It will become a reality, because the reality is that some of us trust the government and some of us do not.

I have no reason to think that this is a scam.

But I have heard and read some tall tales on here and heard some urban legends. Some people want to believe preposterous things and I am not sure why. Some people like to stir the pot. Some people like to hate.

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true closure?

I am beginning to form the opinion that a viewing is not a great thing. I am leaning more toward a memorial ceremony with a picture of me in a good light.

It will become a reality, because the reality is that some of us trust the government and some of us do not.

I have no reason to think that this is a scam.

But i have heard and read some tall tales on here and heard some urban legends. Some people want to believe preposterous things and i am not sure why. Some people like to stir the pot. Some people like to hate.

amen

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I'm thankful Obama continued Bush's policy at Getmo. That's where the intel came from that lead to OBL's demise. Good thing he didn't close it like he promised.

Some how I knew Obama would get the credit instead of the Seals that risked their lives to take him out.

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I'm thankful Obama continued Bush's policy at Getmo. That's where the intel came from that lead to OBL's demise. Good thing he didn't close it like he promised.

Some how I knew Obama would get the credit instead of the Seals that risked their lives to take him out.

credit to our men and women in uniform. Where do you get the nonsense you post here?

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dk: He's getting credit for giving the operation the 'go' sign.

From what I just heard on MSNBC radio while out at lunch:

- DNA just in, 100% sure.
- CIA facial recognition software - 95% sure.
- The military is in possession of a picture of Osama's body. They and the president are contemplating whether or not to release it.

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I love the Obama Rocks comment. As a whole, the group that actually did the work is JSOC. The very ones that were so harshly criticized right here on this forum (along with Bush) for their “interrogation” techniques that were used to get intel on people like OBL and probably OBL himself.

Since 9/11, the JSOC units and their task forces have become the U.S. government's most effective and lethal weapon against terrorists and their networks, drawing plenty of unwanted, and occasionally unflattering, attention to themselves in the process.
JSOC costs the country more than $1 billion annually. The command has its critics, but it has escaped significant congressional scrutiny and has operated largely with impunity since 9/11. Some of its interrogators and operators were involved in torture and rendition, and the line between its intelligence-gathering activities and the CIA's has been blurred.

One of Obama’s “election war cries” was to close Guantanamo Bay and even prosecute those who engaged in such harsh tactics at Guantanamo.

Now Obama Rocks? I think I’m going to be sick. The only thing Obama did is give the word go and probably had to read that off his teleprompter.

The thing that truly rocks is our Military and the people in it. I give ZERO credit to Obama except for the fact he didn’t close Guantanamo or cut funding for JSOC.

Ok, I won't critire Obama for the rest of the day... no week. Happy now?

I'm happy that OBL will rot in Hell for all eternaty and I'm happy for our Military.. another feather in their cap.

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dk,your response is unbelievable. You have won. I will no longer respond to any of your posts. Your hatred for the man will not allow any impartiality toward him. It has nothing to do with his policies or beliefs, you hate the man. There is NOTHING he can do that will change your mind. It's too bad.

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I love the Obama Rocks comment. As a whole, the group that actually did the work is JSOC. The very ones that were so harshly criticized right here on this forum (along with Bush) for their “interrogation” techniques that were used to get intel on people like OBL and probably OBL himself.



One of Obama’s “election war cries” was to close Guantanamo Bay and even prosecute those who engaged in such harsh tactics at Guantanamo.

Now Obama Rocks? I think I’m going to be sick. The only thing Obama did is give the word go and probably had to read that off his teleprompter.

The thing that truly rocks is our Military and the people in it. I give ZERO credit to Obama except for the fact he didn’t close Guantanamo or cut funding for JSOC.

Ok, I won't critire Obama for the rest of the day... no week. Happy now?

I'm happy that OBL will rot in Hell for all eternaty and I'm happy for our Military.. another feather in their cap.

Something just isn't right. Too much aggression and hatred. Maybe you are working too hard. Dude, you need to take some me time and just relax. I wouldn't be running any machinery.

Xavier

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I love the Obama Rocks comment. As a whole, the group that actually did the work is JSOC. The very ones that were so harshly criticized right here on this forum (along with Bush) for their “interrogation” techniques that were used to get intel on people like OBL and probably OBL himself.



One of Obama’s “election war cries” was to close Guantanamo Bay and even prosecute those who engaged in such harsh tactics at Guantanamo.

Now Obama Rocks? I think I’m going to be sick. The only thing Obama did is give the word go and probably had to read that off his teleprompter.

The thing that truly rocks is our Military and the people in it. I give ZERO credit to Obama except for the fact he didn’t close Guantanamo or cut funding for JSOC.

Ok, I won't critire Obama for the rest of the day... no week. Happy now?

I'm happy that OBL will rot in Hell for all eternaty and I'm happy for our Military.. another feather in their cap.

As ever, real klassy.

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The last two posts criticizing DKLASSEN are a bit confusing.

While the President is in the office when this takes place and should and will get credit, everything that DKLASSEN says is correct. He has continued ALL the policies he decried during the campaign, and that continuation led to this plan of attack. That can not be denied, can it ?

This does not take away from any credit, but to look at this in total isolation is somewhat short sighted and totally political.

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I'm thankful Obama continued Bush's policy at Getmo. That's where the intel came from that lead to OBL's demise. Good thing he didn't close it like he promised.

Some how I knew Obama would get the credit instead of the Seals that risked their lives to take him out.

I'm also glad that the President had enough sense, once in office, to continue GW Bush's terrorist strategies and utilize the redefined defense and national security intelligence protocols developed during his administration.

Another of the President's decisions I'm thankful for, like you D, is his decision to renege on his pledge to close Guantanamo as he promised those who voted for him, and keep this facility open which reportedly resulted in the intel that led to locating bin Laden's whereabouts.

The President did in his initial address last night use the word "I" a lot in reporting the assassination, much like Bill Clinton always did in speaking to the press. It a foible they both share because of their self centered personalities. It would have been more statesman-like if he was a little more humble, as Reagan and Bush would have been, but that's a minor issue in this story.

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The last two posts criticizing DKLASSEN are a bit confusing.

While the President is in the office when this takes place and should and will get credit, everything that DKLASSEN says is correct. He has continued ALL the policies he decried during the campaign, and that continuation led to this plan of attack. That can not be denied, can it ?

This does not take away from any credit, but to look at this in total isolation is somewhat short sighted and totally political.

First off, :welcome: to TOTV. If you haven't already, you'll find this place just loaded with useful information and wonderful people. That is, in the non-Political portion of this site! The political thread is a place where people never change anyone else's opinion and continually try by banging their head against a concrete wall. Quite fun if you're into that. I don't normally hang around here, but I've been bored lately and have been doing my best not to let the 6 or 7 regular right-wingers take themselves too seriously. They need a little stirring up to keep them from eating their young.

To your first question: Yes, that can be denied since you didn't support your very broad statement. You used the word ALL and we all know that's totally false.

Your referrence to "...is somewhat short sighted and totally political." Duh, Political Forum!

Enjoy yourself and don't take this place too seriously. I now return you to your regular programming. Or is that deprogramming? :thumbup:

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The last two posts criticizing DKLASSEN are a bit confusing.

While the President is in the office when this takes place and should and will get credit, everything that DKLASSEN says is correct. He has continued ALL the policies he decried during the campaign, and that continuation led to this plan of attack. That can not be denied, can it ?

This does not take away from any credit, but to look at this in total isolation is somewhat short sighted and totally political.

It's the hatred that klassy spews...paraphrasing 'all Obama did was give the order and then probably from a teleprompter'....he always has to work in his hatred.

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Obama is the POTUS and it happened under his watch....he had to give the final OK as commander in chief...we all know that.

Congrats are in order for the JSOC team and their intel sources that made it happen.

My only criticism is, and I would say this regardless who was POTUS...in his speech last night it was not necessary for him to to declare it happened "under my direction". All warm blooded thinking people on the planet recognize he is commander in chief and the role a POTUS plays in such an event of world wide impact. I choose to chalk that type commentary off to his advisors that did not serve him well in that regard...and his inexperience as a leader knowing he gets the credit without having to advertize as such.

We also know in this day and age of possible mistakes and mis-representation that those in the responsible positions in the chain of command would have some validation beyond a reasonable doubt to support the deed claimed.

And in my opinion we owed Bin Laden or the lunatics that support and follow him, muslim or other wise any respect to dispense with the body in accordance to muslim belief.....that is somewhat of a distortion for an individual who is central to killing as many Americans as possible...men, women and children. Hence the immediate burial at sea is at best kind of hokey. Again Obama's advisors would/should know exactly how the skeptical world we live in would react to such closure (which for many it just will not be) and it does not matter whether there is an R or D after your name to think that way.

It is by it's very nature political fodder....like it or not.

When Huseein's sons were killed they were very mindful to have available photos to alay the naysayers.

I think it was a mistake to not maximize the visual proof for the world! Screw the honoring of the muslim practice of how they treat their dead....this man did not and certainly does not warrant such "honor".

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Oh give me a break DaleMN

Interesting that for years, Bush, Chaney, Palin, Bachmann, The Tea Party, etc, etc, etc, have taken a pounding right in these very forums. They’ve been called war criminals, liars and racists among many other things.

When the shoes on the other foot some folks just can’t seem to deal with it. How predictable, anyone who has a differing opinion is deemed a hater. Typical ploy from the left in an attempt to shut down anyone who doesn't agree with them.

So let’s get back to the facts. Exactly what did Obama do to facilitate or organize the capture of OBL besides giving the ok?

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Lassen, get back to your newspapers (whatever right wing rag that you read). Ossama was not captured. He was killed. You wanted to get back to the facts in your last post. Ossama was killed. You said captured.

It is C H E N E Y and not C H A N E Y. Even the right wing fishwrappers spell the names right. Speaking of Dick Cheney, he received 5 draft deferments and testified before Congress that "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." A liar, war criminal, and racist? Let the record speak for itself. I do not see racist in his background.

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Why do some people think giving the OK was so easy,no big deal,nothing to worry about. DK,did you ever think of the consequences if the mission failed? 40 Americans were sent in. What if they were killed instead? What would have been the reaction if the mission was a failure? This was not as easy as some of you are saying. He made the decision and should be applauded for it not demeaned.

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What would have been the reaction if the mission was a failure?

Blame Bush?

Bugs, that sounds a bit hateful to me. You know what I meant in my post.

I do give Obama credit for carrying on Bush's policies and I'm glad he did.

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Why do some people think giving the OK was so easy,no big deal,nothing to worry about. DK,did you ever think of the consequences if the mission failed? 40 Americans were sent in. What if they were killed instead? What would have been the reaction if the mission was a failure? This was not as easy as some of you are saying. He made the decision and should be applauded for it not demeaned.

Bravo

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Be back in a few. Have to go off line. Tornado warning...close.

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Take cover from that tornado and be careful.

Lassen, I am not even going to waste electrons in responding to your ridiculous postings anymore. It is like talking to a 3 year old who has their mind set on one thing only.

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those that are a doubting "Thomas"..... We still hear of Elvis sightings, Right?



We need pictures and we need them real soon. The American people will be demanding that, for the same reason we go to view the deceased at a wake. We need to see with our own eyes for true closure. Without that, what you fear will become reality.

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I understand and don't blame you. I feel the same way when conversing with Liberals sometimes. I guess it's best to just let it pass.

Kind of like the nasty tornadic supercell that just rolled by my front yard. Sheesh!

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Oh give me a break DaleMN

Interesting that for years, Bush, Chaney, Palin, Bachmann, The Tea Party, etc, etc, etc, have taken a pounding right in these very forums. They’ve been called war criminals, liars and racists among many other things.

When the shoes on the other foot some folks just can’t seem to deal with it. How predictable, anyone who has a differing opinion is deemed a hater. Typical ploy from the left in an attempt to shut down anyone who doesn't agree with them.

So let’s get back to the facts. Exactly what did Obama do to facilitate or organize the capture of OBL besides giving the ok?

Obama the credit he deserves/

http://blog.syracuse.com/entertainment/2011/05/rush_limbaugh_said_president_o.html

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Not sure if you were listening to his whole show or not but it was no credit... if you heard his entire (very sarcastic) commentary... but nice try. Did you watch the video on that page?

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Not sure if you were listening to his whole show or not but it was no credit... if you heard his entire (very sarcastic) commentary... but nice try.

show?? I wouldn't waste five minutes of my time on that SOB. I saw that story while looking on a newspaper website, and didn't watch the video. Not surprised if he were in fact being sarcastic. People all over the country are thrilled about this operation, and people like you and Limbaugh are too biased to give credit where credit is due. I for one can't wait to see Obama's poll numbers after this event.

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So you tout Limbaugh's praise, don't listen to his show or even the video that was on the very page you linked to?

Sorry, I have to do it again. :1rotfl:

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just listened to Obama speech again. In his 9 minute 23 second speech he said I 9 times...I can report,I directed,I was briefed,I met with,I determined,and some others. All this he said" I" too much is just garbage,another way to deflect the outstanding job he did.You guys are reaching for straws. By the way if you listen to the speech try and count the times he said WE as in all of us as in a team. Some of you posters out there better hope that independents dont read your stuff because they will vote Obama without a doubt.

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I wouldn't waste five minutes of my time on that SOB.

Careful now, sounds a little dare I say hateful. I thought hate speech was reserved only for us Conservatives?

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Lassen,

Those tornados are downright scary. I have been very close to them in Iowa and Kansas. Glad you made it through okay.

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Thanks. It was close although it never dropped one. The larger question is why I have a two thousand dollar camera sitting in my office and I'm out shooting pictures with my iPhone. :shocked:

I love to take weather photos.

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I understand and don't blame you. I feel the same way when conversing with Liberals sometimes. I guess it's best to just let it pass.

Kind of like the nasty tornadic supercell that just rolled by my front yard. Sheesh!

It's all part of their strategy. Earlier they were saying the same thing about me, but I understand their game. That's why they need talking points from their leaders sent out in mass.

http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/summary-of-saul-alinskys-rules-for.html

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It's all part of their strategy. Earlier they were saying the same thing about me, but I understand their game. That's why they need talking points from their leaders sent out in mass.

http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/summary-of-saul-alinskys-rules-for.html


Liberals and talking points :1rotfl::1rotfl:

And then you prove your point proving a link to a conservative blog using the old Saul Alinsky talking points from the election.

Now that is funny!!!!!!!

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the opposite strategy that Bush employed in going after OBL. When we had him cornered in Tora Bora, Bush turned the operation over to the Afghanis, rather than using US commandos, fearing casulties, etc. Obama on the other hand, could have bombed OBL's compound, but chose instead a riskier strategy that had a higher chance of failure and casulties. I guess that's what you call real leadership.

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the opposite strategy that Bush employed in going after OBL. When we had him cornered in Tora Bora, Bush turned the operation over to the Afghanis, rather than using US commandos, fearing casulties, etc. Obama on the other hand, could have bombed OBL's compound, but chose instead a riskier strategy that had a higher chance of failure and casulties. I guess that's what you call real leadership.

I am not sure about the leadership issue, but it was a wise decision on Obama's part and probably based on the intelligence that the fewer that knew the better chances of accomplishing the mission. Someone is dirty in the Pakastani set up. Someone knew that OBL or someone who was hiding from someone lived there. That is the reason that we can't clean up the drug business in the U.S. Someone is on the take and someone is looking the other way.

It is something you learn in junior high, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

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Liberals and talking points :1rotfl::1rotfl:

And then you prove your point proving a link to a conservative blog using the old Saul Alinsky talking points from the election.

Now that is funny!!!!!!!

For stepping right up and proving the point.

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I will offer that he made a good "decision". The leadership absolutely, no doubt came from the military and JSOC.

...a good decision does not ordain or imply leadership...leadership is not a one time or some time quality...it is earned by continuous risk involved performance as a leader. Qualities almost absent in politics in general and in the 535 in Washington in specific!!

Obama gets the credit for the action taken. Now let's see him continue to do that in his day to day performance as POTUS.

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For stepping right up and proving the point.

I must be missing the talking points in my post! Mind pointing them out to me?

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Billy, listening is part of leadership. He listened to the military,he listened to JSOC. But in the end the decision his and only his good or bad. There were no guarentees. Like others here you are selling the man short because you do not like him. There can be no other reason.

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Contrary to your interpretation, I am not selling the man short because I do not like him. You said that not me.

As I have posted many times including long before Obama became POTUS, I am a very intense performance oriented, results oriented person. Improvements with measurable results. Liking him has nothing to do with it. I know that doesn't fit the persistent need by too many for the old R or D yardstick.

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PS I did give him credit for making the decision and stated a hope for more of it in the future!!

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The thing I think I give him the most credit for is all the flack he took from his own base for not closing Guantanamo Bay. Most politicians are VERY guilty of pandering to their base. Obama campaigned on closing GITMO and it never happened. Many Democrats and Independets called him out on it. Now hindsight is 20/20 and I think we can say it's pretty obvious WHY Obama did that. But for those who say that Obama practices whatever the polls preach, this is certainly a case demonstrating the opposite.

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The following article points out why/how politician's partisan pandering causes flip flopping their positions:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/05/03/intellectual-dishonesty-of-na%0Ancy-pelosi/

Hence no credibility.

I think the last paragraph is significant as it points out the destructive nature of rigid partisan yard sticks. Especially the following statement in that paragraph:

"It underscores the degree to which partisanship can ravage people’s fair-mindedness and, in the process, make them look like fools and hacks."

This partisan obsession and the desperate need to measure everything against an R or a D yardstick has over taken the disgusting, linguine spined, hollow, don't do what is right...political correctness!!

Nothing is sacred in politics...except re-election.

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Are you really sure he's dead. Lies have come down the pike before, where is his head. Election is coming .

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Are you really sure he's dead. Lies have come down the pike before, where is his head. Election is coming .

I am.

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Are you really sure he's dead. Lies have come down the pike before, where is his head. Election is coming .

I am.

Me too.

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Are you really sure he's dead. Lies have come down the pike before, where is his head. Election is coming .

Was going to say something smart at the risk of being called a communist again.
But yes, I am sure he is dead.