Casey Anthony trial or mistrial?

[jebartle]

Judge Perry is tough.....Not sure Biaz is the attorney for this case, might be above his little head! Guess Chaney Mason will keep him straight!....The ole boy is fascinated with this case....Seems like a no-brain-er for me, Casey obviously wanted to party and unfortunately little Caley suffered the horrific decision of chloroform....Casey also cannot tell the truth....I also think that Cindy and George are also victims, they obviously loved their grand-child...Sure glad I'm not on the jury....Was sure that TV was on the short list of jury selection...

[nitakk]

I am loving the way Judge Perry is handling things so far. He's keeping things moving along, yet being sympathetic to potential jurors who would have a hardship serving on this trial. He also seems to have a great sense of humor, but I wouldn't want to be the attorney who challenges him - here come da judge!!
Wish we could save the taxpayers some money on this one and Casey just take a plea of life with no parole. Let her spend her days with women who miss their children terribly and they will make her life hell.
Anybody know if cameras are going to be allowed in the trial itself, not just jury selection?

[Bogie Shooter]

I am just getting very tired of hearing about it 24 hours a day.

[Freeda]

I think that they will convict her, and that because of the evidence of the duct tape on or near the remains, which can only indicate premeditation of Caley's death, (ie, not just some tragic accident, where Casey had intended, with chloroform, to sedate but not to kill) she will get the death penalty, unless some sort of defense such as diminished capacity can save her from the death penalty. And yes, it is a shame if for nothing other than the parents of Casey, who are suffering such a double tragedy, that some plea agreement couldn't be worked out.

[Tbugs]

It has been on-going for so long now. Haven't they fried her yet?

[golfnut]

and the state of FLA (which is you and I if you are a resident of FLA) has spent millions of $ so far and the case hasn't even made it to trial, how many more millions of $ will ultimately be spent, something is very wrong with this picture....gn

[LittleDog]

I wonder how many proposals of marriage she's gotten so far? :confused:

John

[Barefoot]

I am just getting very tired of hearing about it 24 hours a day.

I am currently in Canada, and we're not getting any Casey Anthony coverage here. I don't even get Nancy Grace (a fact that pleases Fireboy immensely). Is there a good on-line source for Florida news? I know I could google Casey Anthony, but a billion sites would come up. I'd rather ask the TOTVers here for a site they recommend.

[islandgal]

Bare -
Perhaps orlandosentinal.com,CNN.com/casey or http://www.cayleedaily.com which I just found in search (maybe TMI!)

[mfp509]

Two local tv stations carry live stream of the jury selection and will be carrying the trial live.

www.wesh.com
www.wftv.com

Either 8:30 or 9:00 this morning will be the start of today's proceedings of jury selection. They still want the opening statements to start on Tuesday May 17th.

[graciegirl]

I am currently in Canada, and we're not getting any Casey Anthony coverage here. I don't even get Nancy Grace (a fact that pleases Fireboy immensely). Is there a good on-line source for Florida news? I know I could google Casey Anthony, but a billion sites would come up. I'd rather ask the TOTVers here for a site they recommend.

It is being followed on CourtTV in real time. Helene is giving us reports up here in Cincinnati.

[BigLew]

I am just getting very tired of hearing about it 24 hours a day.

who really cares what happens to this brainless twit? I guess it must be watched by the fans of "Real Wives" :icon_bored:

[jebartle]

I'm sure that cases like this occur all over the nation but THIS ONE is the media's "baby" and they are not giving it up! They keep comparing to OJ case but it isn't even close!....Orange County is paying the price for this "twit" and I couldn't agree more with "bogie shooter" and "golfnut"....I'm sure glad that they didn't pick jurors from TV....How can anyone NOT form an opinion about this case with all the media coverage!

[redwitch]

I've never understood the media hype about cases like this. News that a child is missing, yes. News that the body has been found and an arrest made, yes. The continuous, non-stop assault, NO. How can anyone get a fair trial with coverage like this?

Personally, I still think the death was accidental. My theory (and it is strictly a theory) is that Casey chlorofomred her daughter so she could go out. The duct tape was probably put on to keep the toddler quiet until she fell completely asleep. Sadly, too much chloroform was given, the little one died and Casey panicked. Ugly, yes. Tragic, most definitely. Murder warranting the death penalty, I don't think so. The prosecutor may regret hanging everything on first degree murder - barring public/juror outrage, it may be hard to prove this was deliberate.

In the meantime, several fortunes are being spent to try this case. Money that could be used to help other children, people in need. Thiis makes me very angry. If the media had let the case drop, this case would cost half of what it is costing and there would be no need to go to several counties to find jurors.

[golfnut]

chloroform, duct tape, accidental death, all in the same post....? really redwitch, something wrong with this picture....gn

[graciegirl]

I've never understood the media hype about cases like this. News that a child is missing, yes. News that the body has been found and an arrest made, yes. The continuous, non-stop assault, NO. How can anyone get a fair trial with coverage like this?

Personally, I still think the death was accidental. My theory (and it is strictly a theory) is that Casey chlorofomred her daughter so she could go out. The duct tape was probably put on to keep the toddler quiet until she fell completely asleep. Sadly, too much chloroform was given, the little one died and Casey panicked. Ugly, yes. Tragic, most definitely. Murder warranting the death penalty, I don't think so. The prosecutor may regret hanging everything on first degree murder - barring public/juror outrage, it may be hard to prove this was deliberate.

In the meantime, several fortunes are being spent to try this case. Money that could be used to help other children, people in need. Thiis makes me very angry. If the media had let the case drop, this case would cost half of what it is costing and there would be no need to go to several counties to find jurors.

I agree with you in part, Red. But journalists have a quota too. It is the American way. It is their job to find news or they have no job.

Even if she didn't mean to kill her, what normal person would sedate and tape their own child?

I have to add that the reason I am drawn to the details is that my heart fell in love with that precious, sparkling, sweet, smart and beautiful little girl who is no more, due to the selfishness of her mother. So many people would have loved to raise her, including her own grandmother, who I don't like either...but Caley Marie Anthony still speaks to me from her grave.

[redwitch]

Gracie, I think I'm one of the very few who truly feels sorry for Casey Anthony. She never wanted to have a baby. She was told she would be disowned if she had an abortion or gave the baby up for adoption. The grandparents tried to force Casey to raise her child, I guess thinking that she would ultimately bond with her child. I've seen the results of a child raised by someone who didn't want the child. The results are not pretty and usually end in child neglect and abuse.

I can easily see Casey thinking she wanted to go out but knew that her parents would have a fit if she left and would refuse to babysit Caley. So, a little bit of chloroform, some tape to keep her quiet (or maybe to keep Caley from spitting up the chloroform?) and out the door to play. I just don't see it as premeditated murder.

I think Casey saw her daughter as a doll and something to play with when it was convenient, especially if Caley would shine attention on Casey. However, when it came to be a parent and sacrifice for her child, it was not going to happen. Casey was too immature and selfish to be a parent.

As to the media, there were a lot of other stories that could have been better covered than this drek. Casey Anthony has gotten more coverage here than the death of bin Laden, the flooding in Mississippi and Louisiana, the tornadoes in Alabama. The only thing that's come close in the news is Will and Kate's wedding -- something I also don't see as being that newsworthy. But Casey's coverage is just wrong!

[graciegirl]

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[Bill-n-Brillo]

:popcorn:

Bill

[dillywho]

I know that I am in the minority, but I'm far from convinced that she caused her death...accidental or otherwise. Too many things just don't add up. That being said, I do think she knows something. I don't think she's the only one that knows the real story, either.

I think FL law stinks in that a person can be tried (if you can call the circus that this has been from the get-go that) in the media instead of a court of law. What happened to "presumed innocent until proven guilty" and tried "by a jury of one's peers"? Where are these "peers"? I just have more questions than answers.

How can a medical examiner declare her death a homicide but could not determine how she died from the examination? Where's the possibility of accident? They don't know who was doing the reseach on the computer in the Anthony household....could have been anyone of them or none of them. Why have people that were both close and not close to Casey said that she was a good, loving mother? All that the media dwells on is the party Casey. They've already had to admit that all the party pictures were not from that timeframe but some much earlier.

If her guilt is so apparent, why are there so many high-profile lawyers still involved? Why are they staying if she's guilty and the money's run out?

Yes, Caylee was a beautiful child but is she any more precious or her life any more valuable than Haleigh Cummings who was not as pretty? Or is it because Haleigh was not from as affluent a family as Caylee? None of her family was a nurse or former police officer that lived in a nice middle-class neighborhood. All of her family seems to be into the drug scene. Misty Crosslin's story is far from believable. Where's all the hype and concern there? Maybe she's involved...maybe not. The attitude toward that little girl just seems to be, "who really cares?"

Back to this case: I've wondered from the first why on earth people were allowed to yell, scream, trespass, throw things, etc. at the Anthony's all hours of the day and night. Is there not a law in FL about disturbing the peace? For crying out loud, look at all the hoopla about music after 9:00 here! You can't party loud, but you can do those things?

Like I said, I have very many questions. The ones here are only a few.

[Pturner]

I haven't followed the case, so I guess for me, it's a miss-trial. :boom:

[graciegirl]

I know that I am in the minority, but I'm far from convinced that she caused her death...accidental or otherwise. Too many things just don't add up. That being said, I do think she knows something. I don't think she's the only one that knows the real story, either.

I think FL law stinks in that a person can be tried (if you can call the circus that this has been from the get-go that) in the media instead of a court of law. What happened to "presumed innocent until proven guilty" and tried "by a jury of one's peers"? Where are these "peers"? I just have more questions than answers.

How can a medical examiner declare her death a homicide but could not determine how she died from the examination? Where's the possibility of accident? They don't know who was doing the reseach on the computer in the Anthony household....could have been anyone of them or none of them. Why have people that were both close and not close to Casey said that she was a good, loving mother? All that the media dwells on is the party Casey. They've already had to admit that all the party pictures were not from that timeframe but some much earlier.

If her guilt is so apparent, why are there so many high-profile lawyers still involved? Why are they staying if she's guilty and the money's run out?

Yes, Caylee was a beautiful child but is she any more precious or her life any more valuable than Haleigh Cummings who was not as pretty? Or is it because Haleigh was not from as affluent a family as Caylee? None of her family was a nurse or former police officer that lived in a nice middle-class neighborhood. All of her family seems to be into the drug scene. Misty Crosslin's story is far from believable. Where's all the hype and concern there? Maybe she's involved...maybe not. The attitude toward that little girl just seems to be, "who really cares?"

Back to this case: I've wondered from the first why on earth people were allowed to yell, scream, trespass, throw things, etc. at the Anthony's all hours of the day and night. Is there not a law in FL about disturbing the peace? For crying out loud, look at all the hoopla about music after 9:00 here! You can't party loud, but you can do those things?

Like I said, I have very many questions. The ones here are only a few.

Haleigh Cummings is no less precious. It seems that Florida is a state with a lot of childrens untimely deaths. I have often wondered why so many.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I haven't followed the case, so I guess for me, it's a miss-trial. :boom:

You can open for gracie when she goes out on her stand-up comedy tour................. :1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

[Barefoot]

Wish we could save the taxpayers some money on this one and Casey just take a plea of life with no parole. Let her spend her days with women who miss their children terribly and they will make her life hell.

:agree: Only a very evil person would use chloroform and duct tape on a child so she could enjoy an evening of drinking and dancing with friends.

[graciegirl]

:agree: Only a very evil person would use chloroform and duct tape on a child so she could enjoy an evening of drinking and dancing with friends.

I absolutely agree.

And...although I wish I could, I just can't get it out of my mind. She was so beautiful and so was her child. She could have had a lovely life. She MUST be a sociopath. But even so...she does NOT deserve to be out of a cage...ever.

[GatorFan]

I agree with you Redwitch. State's Attorney should have offered a plea.

[Pturner]

Gracie, I think I'm one of the very few who truly feels sorry for Casey Anthony. She never wanted to have a baby. She was told she would be disowned if she had an abortion or gave the baby up for adoption. The grandparents tried to force Casey to raise her child, I guess thinking that she would ultimately bond with her child. I've seen the results of a child raised by someone who didn't want the child. The results are not pretty and usually end in child neglect and abuse.

I can easily see Casey thinking she wanted to go out but knew that her parents would have a fit if she left and would refuse to babysit Caley. So, a little bit of chloroform, some tape to keep her quiet (or maybe to keep Caley from spitting up the chloroform?) and out the door to play. I just don't see it as premeditated murder.

I think Casey saw her daughter as a doll and something to play with when it was convenient, especially if Caley would shine attention on Casey. However, when it came to be a parent and sacrifice for her child, it was not going to happen. Casey was too immature and selfish to be a parent.

As to the media, there were a lot of other stories that could have been better covered than this drek. Casey Anthony has gotten more coverage here than the death of bin Laden, the flooding in Mississippi and Louisiana, the tornadoes in Alabama. The only thing that's come close in the news is Will and Kate's wedding -- something I also don't see as being that newsworthy. But Casey's coverage is just wrong!

But Red, it does seem from your posts in this thread that you have followed the detailed coverage. Am I wrong? The fact that people follow the trial and discuss it is exactly why it gets so much coverage.

I know enough about the case to know that it's tawdry and voyeuristic. I might even have a leg to stand on if I complained about the coverage because I put my money where my mouth is on stories like this. I don't read, listen to or watch them.

But if we do, can we really complain about the coverage?

[redwitch]

I followed the case before it was a case -- just a cute little girl missing, then Casey's claims, then the arrest and some of the accusations. That's probably why it sticks in my mind so much that Casey didn't want to have a baby, let alone keep it and that the grandparents didn't want to raise the baby while forcing Casey to do so. (Hope that makes sense!)

A lot of my comments are not so much about what is on the news but rather comments from friends, etc. about what is happening and my general knowledge of the law (30 years working for attorneys rubs off whether I want it to or not lol). Nowadays, I change to another news station when Casey trial news comes on unless I'm very interested in an upcoming story. So, I think I can complain about the media and it's over coverage of this case.

Heck, I'm still trying to get over the fact that Florida allows papers to publish the names of people and television to totally convict someone arrested for a crime (misdemeanor or felony), possible guilt or innocence be damned. Even OJ had a fairer trial in the news than Casey has gotten.

[golfnut]

quote redwitch, "a little bit of chloroform, some tape to keep her quiet", all for a night of dancing and drinking, only 2 things left at this point, death penalty or life in prison without parole....gn

[JenAjd]

I followed the case before it was a case -- just a cute little girl missing, then Casey's claims, then the arrest and some of the accusations. That's probably why it sticks in my mind so much that Casey didn't want to have a baby, let alone keep it and that the grandparents didn't want to raise the baby while forcing Casey to do so. (Hope that makes sense!)

A lot of my comments are not so much about what is on the news but rather comments from friends, etc. about what is happening and my general knowledge of the law (30 years working for attorneys rubs off whether I want it to or not lol). Nowadays, I change to another news station when Casey trial news comes on unless I'm very interested in an upcoming story. So, I think I can complain about the media and it's over coverage of this case.

Heck, I'm still trying to get over the fact that Florida allows papers to publish the names of people and television to totally convict someone arrested for a crime (misdemeanor or felony), possible guilt or innocence be damned. Even OJ had a fairer trial in the news than Casey has gotten.

AMEN to that Red!!! I'm sick to death of any of the news we get here in FL...it's all crime and more crime. Last year WESH had a deal where people could e-mail them to tell them what they'd rather view. Well people did and the rebuttel was...."we understand you don't want to hear this stuff but you people are "entitled" to know what's going on" (my words). So they really weren't interested. In my opinion it's all about ratings and who can "one-up" the other and get the better "scoop".

[golfnut]

whoa is me, poor poor Casey, you've got to be kiddding, Caley would have been starting school in the fall, but then she won't be able to do that because her mother didn't want her, not sure what 30 years of working for attorneys has to do with this case, ah yes poor Casey, right Casey is the victim here...............gn

[katezbox]

I think that this case is a series of tragedies - and will also admit that Nancy Grace makes me ill, so I have only peripherally followed it.

The first tragedy is the Caylee was not given up for adoption. She would be starting school and she would be with a family that loved her, wanted her and treasured her. Casey's parents were irresponsible in forcing Casey to keep that child. Parenting is the toughest job in the world - and that is for those of us who wanted a family.

The second is that (presumably) her mother chloroformed her to get her to sleep. And that Casey is such a liar that it is hard to believe her at all.

There are also some really questionable issues here..

First of all, the duct tape. I think it is may have been used by Casey (and maybe George) to back up the story of "kidnapping." Has anything been said that the tape was definitely used while Caylee was alive?

Second, George and Cindy - their stories change with the wind also...

Thirdly, the body in the trunk. If Casey did such detailed research on chloroform, why would she not have planned how to dispose of the body? It seems that the body in the trunk is more consistent with accidental death from too much chloroform than with premeditated murder.

I think Casey is guilty of many things - but not premeditated murder....

[Taj44]

That's my sense too - she was in way over her head with the parenting issues, and possibly there was some sort of accident as a result of what Casey did, and Caylee died as a result of negligence. But with all of Casey's lies, I expect no one will ever know the true story. Casey should either have never had the child, or else should have put her up for adoption. What a tragedy - so many lives ruined.

[rubicon]

I wonder how many proposals of marriage she's gotten so far? :confused:

John

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jblum315]

She'll get even more once she's in a max security prison

[CTgolfer]

I believe the prosecution's theory is that she used chloroform and duct tape to keep the child quiet so she could go out dancing and partying. I haven't followed the trial too closely, but early on with Cindy Anthony on the stand, the defense pointed out that Cindy received six phone calls at work from Casey on June 16th in a 15 minute period around 4pm.... something that was not normal for Casey to do. I have not heard any more about this, but if this is fact, in my opinion, this could be the timeframe when something happened to the child. This would put the timeframe of the "incident" way before dancing and partying at night.

[golfnut]

rw, how does 30 years of working for an attorney help you analyze this case versus the rest of us...........gn

[nitakk]

Am I the only one that is leaning towards the pre-mediatated murder? Even if she did chloroform that little girl to party, which I don't think happened by the testimony so far, when you duct tape around and around and around her mouth - doesn't that sound like murder to you? It wasn't just a little piece of duct tape - we saw the pictures today and it was a lot. I think she was tired of it all - her daughter, her mother and being a grown-up with responsibilities. She put her little girl out with chloroform and suffocated her, on purpose. According to the news tonight, her "illness" today is suspect, too. She has seen all these pictures before and could have asked not to be present for today's proceedings with the gruesome pictures. She chose to be there to cry all day before the jury to try to gain sympathy. She ain't getting none from me.

[graciegirl]

HUH? . Has there been some posts deleted? Who worked in an attorneys office? Who said that about proposals of marriage? I reread this thread twice...what is missing?

[Freeda]

There are two threads on the Anthony trial; maybe people are thinking of something posted on the other thread.

[golfnut]

come on gg, you reread the post twice, reread again post #28 for rw's comment on working 30 years for an attorney, and post #7 for the comment on marriage proposals, you must have reread the post early in the morning b4 coffee....gn

[Pturner]

gg, reread post #28 for rw's comment on working 30 tears for an attorney....gn

I'm gonna cry, cry, cry, cry
96 tears.
:sing:

Sorry Golfnut, couldn't resist.

[rubicon]

On HLN they were discussing the Anthony case. A female prosecutor said that there is testimony that Casey while sleeping with her boyfriend was disturbed by Casey and left with her cam back alone and went back to bed. this happened twice and she did not take her to her parents house. The prosecutor ask "where did she take her?"

[golfnut]

good catch Pt, i fixed it, now it's up to GG to figure out what the heck we're talking about....gn

[golfnut]

rubicon, i'm having trouble understanding what you're saying, is it just me....gn

[graciegirl]

good catch Pt, i fixed it, now it's up to GG to figure out what the heck we're talking about....gn

Golfnut. I am stressed but in a good way...waiting for our house to be inspected....We got multiple offers after only nine days on the market. I am almost too superstitious to mention it.

Please say a little prayer this goes alright on Friday.........

I am so tired and so excited and so worried and have sieved through so many things...........

Oh...here comes Tony with his whistle...took it off topic again.

[skyguy79]

Oh...here comes Tony with his whistle...took it off topic again.
(Tony)http://th210.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/Ronnies_Pets/smileys%20emoticons/th_blower.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/image/whistle%20blower/Ronnies_Pets/smileys%20emoticons/blower.gif?o=22)

Well, you almost got it right Gracie! :wave:

[PennBF]

In order to educate ones self it is interesting to look at the definition of
"Dissociative Disorders"..Before reaching a quick judgement all possibilities
should be looked at and studied. :024: