Warning Villagers

[jebartle]

They walk among us....This story was relayed to the "ole boy" during a round of golf yesterday.....His cart partner (A REALLY REALLY BIG GUY) had an "encounter of a third kind", while driving down Morse Blvd in his STREET legal golf cart, a car came by and "threw-up" a string of expletives, and told him to get his "@#$% - @#$%!!!! golf cart off the road....Well this REALLY REALLY BIG GUY telling this story with a smile, decided to follow this guy into the SL square, parked next to him, picked him up off the ground, and asked for an apology, which he was given immediately, put the man down and drove away....Why oh why, when it comes to road rage and some forums on TOTV, do we feel a sense of security??? to speak our mind, right or wrong, assuming that there would be no consequence for these decisions!!! The old golden rule comes to mind for me!

[Talk Host]

The "big guy" who followed and picked up the shouter would be guilty of assault, assuming his story is true. The "big guy" could go to the "big house." :sing:

Shouting remarks out a car window is not a crime.

Having said all that, I did exactly the same thing to a kid on a bicycle about 30 years ago. He swore at my family and me as we sat at a red light. You should have seen the look on his face when I got out of the car and dragged him off the bike and made him apologize. I'll bet he never did that again. I'm glad I didn't get arrested

[RayB]

They walk among us....This story was relayed to the "ole boy" during a round of golf yesterday.....His cart partner (A REALLY REALLY BIG GUY) had an "encounter of a third kind", while driving down Morse Blvd in his STREET legal golf cart, a car came by and "threw-up" a string of expletives, and told him to get his "@#$% - @#$%!!!! golf cart off the road....Well this REALLY REALLY BIG GUY telling this story with a smile, decided to follow this guy into the SL square, parked next to him, picked him up off the ground, and asked for an apology, which he was given immediately, put the man down and drove away....Why oh why, when it comes to road rage and some forums on TOTV, do we feel a sense of security??? to speak our mind, right or wrong, assuming that there would be no consequence for these decisions!!! The old golden rule comes to mind for me!

It seems to me that both parties in this story are to be condemned. The guy had no right to admonish the cart driver regardless if he thought the cart driver was wrong. The cart driver had no right to follow the individual and physically intimate the fellow into an apology. Of the two wrongs, it is my thought the physical intimidation was the worst of the two.

[memason]

Interesting story.... I'll bet the REALLY, REALLY BIG GUY could be charged with assault in a court of law. Don't know, just saying.

Not sure which is the most ill advised behavior...shouting the expletives or following the shouter to the square and confronting him.

I'm keeping my headphone on! You can yell at me all you want...I'll smile, wave and continue on my oblivious way, assuming you were telling me to have a nice ##$%#* day .... :loco:

[2BNTV]

They walk among us....This story was relayed to the "ole boy" during a round of golf yesterday.....His cart partner (A REALLY REALLY BIG GUY) had an "encounter of a third kind", while driving down Morse Blvd in his STREET legal golf cart, a car came by and "threw-up" a string of expletives, and told him to get his "@#$% - @#$%!!!! golf cart off the road....Well this REALLY REALLY BIG GUY telling this story with a smile, decided to follow this guy into the SL square, parked next to him, picked him up off the ground, and asked for an apology, which he was given immediately, put the man down and drove away....Why oh why, when it comes to road rage and some forums on TOTV, do we feel a sense of security??? to speak our mind, right or wrong, assuming that there would be no consequence for these decisions!!! The old golden rule comes to mind for me!

Interesting story because you never know who you are dealing with if someone develops "road rage". It seems like common sense if you are offending someone, there could be a reaction. It's always best to not gert invovled in these type of scenarios. It always saddens me that some of these incidents can turn out to be deadly.

I can't speak of other people but when I am on TOTV, I try to be respectful of other people's point of view and do my best to not offend anyone. I personally get upset if I didn't state what I was trying to say clearly and it results in a misunderstanding.

I believe in the saying, "I agree that we disagree" and not get into any arguments with anyone. You can't be in an argument if one party decides not to participate. If I do something that is wrong, I would be the first to apologize.

It don't cost nothing to be nice. :)

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Fortunately, the REALLY REALLY BIG GUY kept his cool. Sounds like that situation could have easily spiraled out of control. What if the person(s) in the car had a weapon?

I usually let Sandy handle those kinds of situations for us........... :1rotfl:

Bill :)

[ilovetv]

Road rage is road rage, regardless of whether the drivers are driving an automobile or a golf cart on the road. Both are dangerous if they snap and explode uncontrollably.

I, too, like the swift, direct dealing with the jerk, but it is too dangerous now. If the jerk is drunk and carrying a weapon, it's all over....for innocent bystanders too.

[gmcneill]

After considering both sides of the situation and also the opinions/observations of the posters so far-I support 95% of what the big guy did.
Can't condone the physical touching- sticks/stones vs. words hurting me and all- but the foul-mouthed driver needed a lesson in decorum.

It's obvious that the foul-mouthed driver had no intention of demonstarting concern or providing assistance to a cart driver who might made a left at Albuquerque and unintentionally ended up on a roadway.

W/out getting all philosophical here, of all the available civilized behavior options, the foul-mouthed driver instead chose to rant at a fellow human being who was not causing any harm to anyone other than a slight inconvenience bc the cart was traveling slower than the car.

Such uncivilized behavior that goes unchallenged often continues. And there can be but generally not always a risk in challenging such behavior. If I was a big guy, I probably would not be too worried about retaliation by an obvious bully; I figure that my size and demeanor would deterrent enough.

I say to the big guy, thanks!! for challenging the behavior, but please keep hands off unless the situation truly warrants it. I wouldn't want the bad things happen to a good guy. To the driver, I say quit being a punk and a bully and start following jebartle's reminder about the Golden Rule.

As for me, I will continue to follow/observe the Golden Rule as does jebartle but I will also continue to challenge poor behavior in whatever appropriate but legal manner works for me.

[Bill & Carolyn]

Obviously we're not in Texas. It wouldn't matter how big the 'big guy' was if the other guy had a gun.

I used to get angry about that sort of stuff, but not anymore. I refuse to allow someone else to control my emotions that way. I just assign them a certain number of 'jerk points', laugh, and go on my way. Of course, if they threaten my wife all bets are off. I don't much care what people say to or about me, my wife is a different matter entirely.

[memason]

... I usually let Sandy handle those kinds of situations for us........... :1rotfl:

Bill :)

Finally, someone with a little common sense!

oh yeah, while we're at it . . .:popcorn:

[graciegirl]

Finally, someone with a little common sense!

oh yeah, while we're at it . . .:popcorn:

I have met Sandy Brillo and she could handle it...even if she is kinda small....and really sweet too. (ARE you SURE, Bill?)

I am glad someone is there to defend them.

AS for me...WHERE AM I when all this stuff happens??? Here I am, several years past 21 and people don't shout obscenities at me. They may mutter them, but I keep my hearers on low.

[islandgal]

jebartle -
I am curious. Does the BIG GUY know if the car driver was a Villages resident?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Finally, someone with a little common sense!

oh yeah, while we're at it . . .:popcorn:

I have met Sandy Brillo and she could handle it...even if she is kinda small....and really sweet too. (ARE you SURE, Bill?)


I'm STILL laughing out loud at both your comments! :1rotfl:

Bill

[Indydealmaker]

Philosophically, if more people expected to be held accountable for their actions, maybe we would find ourselves back in the "ole days" when people actually cared for others.

[BaylorBear]

Philosophically, if more people expected to be held accountable for their actions, maybe we would find ourselves back in the "ole days" when people actually cared for others.

:BigApplause: ... and by the way, please don't make Texas sound like everyone here is packing!

[jblum315]

Having said all that, I did exactly the same thing to a kid on a bicycle about 30 years ago. He swore at my family and me as we sat at a red light. You should have seen the look on his face when I got out of the car and dragged him off the bike and made him apologize. I'll bet he never did that again. I'm glad I didn't get arrested[/QUOTE]

I did that to a (9??)year-old kid once. He rode his bike right into my car. I grabbed his bike and threw it in the back of my station wagon. I said I"m taking your bike to your house - now if you don't want to tell me where your house is, I'll just take your bike. He told me, I had words with his mother, end of story.

[Dirigo]

The "big guy" who followed and picked up the shouter would be guilty of assault, assuming his story is true. The "big guy" could go to the "big house." :sing:

TH,

Just a nit I need to pick.

Assault is the threat of physical violence against another. Battery *is* physical violence against another person.

No one has the right to put their uninvited, unwelcome hand(s) on another person.

Dirigo

[Talk Host]

More nits to pick. Today, while some states continue to separate the two crimes of assault and battery, many have combined both under one single assault statute.
In the state of Florida the statute says: An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

Could be that the "big guy" is guilty of "Assault and Battery." Two for one.

JLK

TH,

Just a nit I need to pick.

Assault is the threat of physical violence against another. Battery *is* physical violence against another person.

No one has the right to put their uninvited, unwelcome hand(s) on another person.

Dirigo

[jebartle]

You mean there is a difference between a Village Jerk or an Outside Village Jerk!.....tee hee!



jebartle -
I am curious. Does the BIG GUY know if the car driver was a Villages resident?

[handyman]

I have to commend Big guy,I think Big Mouth might think twice before ruining some one elses day...............life IS like a box of crackerjacks,you never know what your gonna get!

[Barefoot]

I did that to a (9??)year-old kid once. He rode his bike right into my car. I grabbed his bike and threw it in the back of my station wagon. I said I"m taking your bike to your house - now if you don't want to tell me where your house is, I'll just take your bike. He told me, I had words with his mother, end of story.

Good for you jblum!

I'm not so sure about the wisdom of following a car and confronting the driver. It could have turned really ugly.

[mac9]

If the guy that cussed big guy out had a license to carry a concealed weapon, big guy could have been shot as he had threatened the cusser with bodily harm. Just not a smart move at all.

[robertj1954]

We hear many stories on the golf course. I take many with a large grain of salt, but do enjoy a good story, especially those about an Ace that missed by inches!

Road Rage is a phenomenon that has been around forever, but due to the escalation that results in death or injury we hear about it more often. Taking a breath and dismissing the insult is the best response to road rage, avoiding the escalation and more serious consequences that result when two hot headed individuals meet in public.

If you do allow yourself to respond badly to a road rage incident keep this in mind:

1. You or your family be harmed, a lot of people carry guns today!

2. You could be arrested and read about your bad behavior in the
Daily Sun the following morning! :o Plan on Anger Management School :swear: instead of a golf day.

3. Sued in civil court for damages. Not to many jurors will understand your side of the story. Is it worth it?

[Tbugs]

Two things about this story.

First, I doubt it really happened.

Secondly, if it did happen, the Really Big Guy was an idiot. If some dude came up to me and threatened me like that, I would have called 911 and had his Really Big Butt thrown in the slammer. If he did happen to have a weapon, even longer time in the slammer. Oh yeah, big time lawsuit, too.

[rubicon]

Keep in mind that battery can be no less than taking one finger and poking it at someone (i.e un ivited touching) Assault is a verbal form that leaves one to believe they are in harms way based on whatthe person said. We all have read the horror stories that ended with tragedy. In Minnesota a guy followed a woman several miles to her home and when she opened the door he threw battery acid in her face. I too ignore hot heads while on a roadway or cartpath. I do believe this story. I also witnessed a si milar even at Publix, Southern Trace. A guy in a Cadillac SRX apparently cut off some very big guy in a golf cart in front of the store. The golf cart driver jumped out of his cart yelling expletives that actually hurt my ears and tried to pull the Cadillac driver out of his car to beat him. Thankfully the testerone leveled off quickly and they both were on their way. One final thought when I do run into a hot head what helps me is I try and imagine or guess what IQ they hold becuase intelligent people know how to roll when events don't go their way. In ottherwords they think first then react responsibly. I adomonished my kids to "don't get mad, don't get even..get ahead

[ajdeck]

Obviously we're not in Texas. It wouldn't matter how big the 'big guy' was if the other guy had a gun.

I used to get angry about that sort of stuff, but not anymore. I refuse to allow someone else to control my emotions that way. I just assign them a certain number of 'jerk points', laugh, and go on my way. Of course, if they threaten my wife all bets are off. I don't much care what people say to or about me, my wife is a different matter entirely.


Now that is the real "cool" thing to do. That is also my believe, life is too short and just wish all would realize what they have and how lucky you are to even be here.

Glad someone has a the right thinking.

aj

[Barefoot]

One final thought when I do run into a hot head what helps me is I try and imagine or guess what IQ they hold becuase intelligent people know how to roll when events don't go their way. In other words they think first then react responsibly. I admonished my kids to "don't get mad, don't get even..get ahead

Wise words from Rubicon.

[downeaster]

Obviously we're not in Texas. It wouldn't matter how big the 'big guy' was if the other guy had a gun.

I used to get angry about that sort of stuff, but not anymore. I refuse to allow someone else to control my emotions that way. I just assign them a certain number of 'jerk points', laugh, and go on my way. n my wife all bets are off. I don't much care what people say to or about me, my wife is a different matter entirely.

I like you style, B&C. Had occasion to apply your system today. I assigned 10 jerk points to a youngish lady in a golf cart causing a dangerous situation. I must admit I did advise her "That was not wise" and she got the message as she managed to run a red light a moment later, probably to avoid me.

[handyman]

I'm just say'n............ where do you folks conceal these weapons,when your wearing shorts and a golf T

[Pturner]

Apparently, neither Road Rager nor REALLY, REALLY BIG GUY knows about the TV Girls Posse. They'd better watch their step (and mouth).

:popcorn:

P.S., Bill, thanks again for the popcorn. Sandy, welcome to the posse.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Apparently, neither Road Rager nor REALLY, REALLY BIG GUY knows about the TV Girls Posse. They'd better watch their step (and mouth).

:popcorn:

P.S., Bill, thanks again for the popcorn. Sandy, welcome to the posse.

You're most welcome - always willing to share! :wave:

I'll tell Sandy that she's "been tapped" to join up! She'll get a chuckle.

Bill :)

[silvertoken]

All I can say is, does Tourette come to mind. I'm not saying this is the case but it sure would be a huge mistake if it was. People of the medical profession know what I mean.

[thistrucksforyou]

what if,,what if,,,,what if,,,,,MAN UP !

[uujudy]

I'm just say'n............ where do you folks conceal these weapons,when your wearing shorts and a golf T

Gun racks on the golf carts. :jester:

[mrfixit]

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[silvertoken]

Being the senior I am I look at my watch and give them the time, I enjoy the puzzled looks I get.

[BUC]

I'm a really Big guy 6'7" and about 275 Lbs and I learned a long time ago to not let things bother me. I'd never want to assault someone just for yelling at me. I would do whatever I had to protecting my wife or any member of my immeadiate family. Some may think I'm a Wimp but I consider it learning from prior mistakes.

[graciegirl]

It is interesting to me as an observer of human behavior that this thread has had so many and varied responses. Some want to fight, some are puzzled about the yelling and the lifting, some are posturing, some are worried, some are not worried and some are just knowing that this kinda stuff doesn't happen much in TV.

And Pturner is right as she always is. We have the posse and the new inductee, Sandy Brillo, to look out for us. Bill will stand on the sidelines munching popcorn.

All is good. Don't worry, be happy. The end of the world did NOT happen, so we have this day to enjoy.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

...... And Pturner is right as she always is. We have the posse and the new inductee, Sandy Brillo, to look out for us. Bill will stand on the sidelines munching popcorn. ......

:popcorn:

Bill :wave:

[Dirigo]

Being the senior I am I look at my watch and give them the time, I enjoy the puzzled looks I get.

Brilliant! Excellent advice!

Thanks...

[jebartle]

Now I know, if this should happen to me, I will look at my watch, assign IQ and jerk points, but more importantly, call SANDY!!!!..

You guys make me giggle!!!!!

[uujudy]

Being the senior I am I look at my watch and give them the time, I enjoy the puzzled looks I get.

Hahahahaha! I LOVE this!

[2BNTV]

Gracie, Pturner and Bill:

You guys are a hoot. :)

Silvertoken:

Thanks for the great advice.