Hadley Pool

[caseylou5]

Does anyone know why the nice furniture in the Hadley Pool was replaced? It appeared to be in great shape and very comfortable.

[graciegirl]

Replaced with older more beat up furniture or nice shiny new furniture???

Is the new furniture uncomfortable? My new friends are buying my house right next to the Hadley pool.

[RichieLion]

Lounge chairs seemed to have been changed everywhere. Even at my Bonita Village Pool. The comfortable mesh loungers have been replaced with spanking new vinyl webbing loungers. (no sir, I don't like 'em)

Suggest bringing a good sized towel to lay on the chair while you're sunning for comfort.

[skip0358]

They replaced the furniture at Bonita with white criss/cross vinyl strap. Not really that comfortable in my opinion. Cross pipe support hit lower back & they don't lay flat, some complaints already because there are no arms to help people up. Just my opinion but I think the vinyl might very well stretch in the heat when people like myself a little on the lumpy side sit on them. There's a saying; new is not always better!

[skyguy79]

They replaced the furniture at Bonita with white criss/cross vinyl strap. Not really that comfortable in my opinion. Cross pipe support hit lower back & they don't lay flat, some complaints already because there are no arms to help people up. Just my opinion but I think the vinyl might very well stretch in the heat when people like myself a little on the lumpy side sit on them. There's a saying; new is not always better!I hear what you're saying! The adult pool at the campground in NY where we have been seasonal for years changed their furnature about 5 years ago.

Today,not only can't I use a lounge because of it, but I cannot relax or even sit on anything available at the pool. At first they left me a wooden bench at my request, but at times others would use it and I was SOL. Since then they have removed that bench too! This has caused me to become less interest in swimming and that's regrettable since swimming was the only appreciable form of exercise I'm able to do. I wonder if similar will happen when I finally get a chance to tryout the Hadley pool! http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/smiley_unhappy.gif

So as I read the concerns about the reduction of comfort in the new lounges, I'm reminded that I would be thankful if only I could use and enjoy the lounges like the new ones you're discribing and renew my interest in swimming again. I guess the lounge issue is pretty much relative to ones perspective!

[JenAjd]

Replaced the ones at Amelia as well. To us it looks not as high quality as what they had been having...though the older ones would get in bad shape from use and being in the weather. Personally I liked what was replaced better than the new!

[BigMike]

OK looks like no one really like the new stuff. As a guy who is planning on moving to TV very soon, what happens now? Is there a board or some place where ya'll can go to get better stuff? As I understand the system everyone pays for the up keep of all of the common areas? I could be wrong just thought I would see what happens when everything is not rosy. I know I am married to one that would call someboy in a heart beat!

Thanks for any insight:confused:

[graciegirl]

OK looks like no one really like the new stuff. As a guy who is planning on moving to TV very soon, what happens now? Is there a board or some place where ya'll can go to get better stuff? As I understand the system everyone pays for the up keep of all of the common areas? I could be wrong just thought I would see what happens when everything is not rosy. I know I am married to one that would call someboy in a heart beat!

Thanks for any insight:confused:

The short answer is no. You really must sit or lie upon the new ones until the powers that be do otherwise.

[MelZ]

Pools are run by the VCCD I would contact your VCCD reps and let them know.

[BigMike]

The short answer is no. You really must sit or lie upon the new ones until the powers that be do otherwise.

Thanks for the honest answer! Still a little :confused:

[MelZ]

Pools are run by the VCCD I would contact your VCCD reps and let them know.

I Confirmed with a VCCD rep that they changed the furniture because of the age of the old stuff. VCCD is responsible for the Recreation Centers and Pools.

Send any comments Pro or Con to you local Rep.

[villages07]

"Old Stuff"? .... many of these pools were built in the last 4 years. These were quality chairs with solid frames. I was looking at the lounges in the Sabal Chase pool yesterday.... yes, some of the fabric is getting worn, but, wouldn't it be more cost effective to repair the fabric than replace the whole piece? Especially, when what they are being replaced with is a step back in quality, in my opinion.

I think the vinyl strap chairs look cheaper and are much more uncomfortable. I had read somewhere that the central districts (who manage the amenity budgets) felt the strap chairs would be more economical to repair in the future. OK, I can kind of understand that, but, this wholesale replacement of furniture that is still relatively new puzzles me.

[paulandjean]

No puzzle here. Four years old. Used everyday,365 days a year. Many many times a day. New furniture-sounds good to me.You will get used to it.Maybe I would complain if they did not replace the old furniture. Lighten up.

[graciegirl]

No puzzle here. Four years old. Used everyday,365 days a year. Many many times a day. New furniture-sounds good to me.You will get used to it.Maybe I would complain if they did not replace the old furniture. Lighten up.

The Hadley pool had furniture with a designer label...like Tommy Hilfiger, and it matched the brown colors of the African theme of the that rec center and It was solid material, not strapped material. I loved those chairs.

Oh well. Things wear out. Even me. I hate when that happens.:wave:

[paulandjean]

I never look for designer labels at the pools.Just use the pool. Colors matching never gave it a thought.

[Pookirgirl]

Couldn't care less about the colors or designer names. The main thing here is comfort, design, and above all safety of the product. I have now heard of at least 3 people having accidents on these new lounges. Seemingly they have been tipping. I wasn't there when these accidents occurred but 2 people were seriously injured when their chairs tipped and their heads wound up being whacked on the concrete flooring. I don't know if it was reported but it should have been. Blood was involved.
It's just a shame when price obviously took precidence over quality and safety of the residents who pay the ammenties fees to keep the Villages as beautiful as it is.

[katezbox]

No puzzle here.... Lighten up.

To me the puzzle is why such a negative response? I feel this is something of a pattern...

It appears that folks felt the new stuff was less comfy than the old stuff. Also, that most folks felt the chairs etc. were still in good shape. If it ain't broke, set aside the replacement funds for a later date...

I don't care about a designer label, but do care about comfort and overall appearance.

[skyguy79]

Couldn't care less about the colors or designer names. The main thing here is comfort, design, and above all safety of the product. I have now heard of at least 3 people having accidents on these new lounges. Seemingly they have been tipping. I wasn't there when these accidents occurred but 2 people were seriously injured when their chairs tipped and their heads wound up being whacked on the concrete flooring. I don't know if it was reported but it should have been. Blood was involved.
It's just a shame when price obviously took precidence over quality and safety of the residents who pay the ammenties fees to keep the Villages as beautiful as it is.I smell a lawsuit in the making, and that could cost all district residents! Secondary to the safety issue, this could be a concern worth noting!

[Whalen]

No puzzle here. Four years old. Used everyday,365 days a year. Many many times a day. New furniture-sounds good to me.You will get used to it.Maybe I would complain if they did not replace the old furniture. Lighten up.

To me the puzzle is why such a negative response? I feel this is something of a pattern...

It appears that folks felt the new stuff was less comfy than the old stuff. Also, that most folks felt the chairs etc. were still in good shape. If it ain't broke, set aside the replacement funds for a later date...

I don't care about a designer label, but do care about comfort and overall appearance.

I'm with you Kate.

Also would like to say that there is no way that any of the pools are used continuously...we do have winter here, and there are many days when
no one is at the pools.

Our pool is about 4 years old and the furniture is just fine. Hope they don't replace it with the new stuff!

[graciegirl]

I love to see how things are so nice here. Our daughter is the one that saw the designer label and noted the inset tiles around the edge of the pool fit the African theme.

I enjoy the themes and the attention to detail and the nice things that are in the rec centers.

I am a decorate-y person, but I like comfort and safety too. :wave:

[springfield illinois]

the real question here is ,, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REMOVED ONES? were they sold? traded in? crushed? destroyed? everyone liked them,, the could have been sold to the folks in TV. What do they do with salvage things, do they have a huge garage sale to generate money? or do the employees get to take it home? maybe all that older stuff went to a hunting "" cabin" in Montana?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

New furniture at Duval pool as well - same as described at Hadley, etc..

Bill

[graciegirl]

New furniture at Duval pool as well - same as described at Hadley, etc..

Bill

Bill. People are describing "straps" instead of a solid piece. Are they like the ones that many of us had at the beginning of our outdoor furniture ownership long ago ....straps attached to aluminum tubing?

[JenAjd]

Bill. People are discribing "straps" instead of a solid piece. Are they like the ones that many of us had at the beginning of our outdoor furniture ownership long ago ....straps attached to aluminum tubing?

To me the straps look like they're attached more to PVC tubing than aluminum.. Flimsey...as are the chair-side tables etc.

[KittyKat]

A lady from the Village of Bonita sat next to me at the most recent POA meeting. Janet Tutt was there and this lady asked Janet if she was aware that 2 people had been seriously hurt after falling off the new lounge chairs. She said she was aware, that they had recently consulted with Disney World & ordered the same chairs that Disney was using. No mention was made of the type of chairs(vinyl straps). Janet said that they thought the armless chaises, which are lower, would be easier for people with joint problems to get in & out of. I believe she said that they were reviewing this decision. My 84yo mother went to the pool late this afternoon and told me that they had replaced all the chaises with the ones I described. Like others, I hate these kind of chairs. They just replace the furniture about 2 years ago. I can't believe they needed to be replaced. Mom & I like chaises with arms as it makes it easier for us to get up as we both have had knee replacements and are on the "plus" side. The other furniture was classy-looking. I am definitely going to follow up on this with Janet or the Recreation Dept.:024:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Bill. People are describing "straps" instead of a solid piece. Are they like the ones that many of us had at the beginning of our outdoor furniture ownership long ago ....straps attached to aluminum tubing?

Yes, there are both horizontal and vertical straps, interwoven with one another (like the top on a pie). Frankly, the straps seemed pretty thick to me, as well as being maybe 1.5"-2" wide. It was a heavy solid vinyl, not the old-timey woven webbing kind of stuff - seemed kinda rubbery. The framing is aluminum, not plastic, and more than likely the surface is powdercoated (in white) - seemed to be pretty heavy gauge aluminum.....again, not like the bare aluminum frames we all remember. Bracing between parts of the frame are welded, not screwed/riveted together - you can easily see the welds. Overall, the stuff looked real substantial to me. Now how long the strapping will hold up in the FL sun remains to be seen! Again, I can only speak to what I saw at the Duval Pool today.

The mystery to me is how in the world it will be possible to replace any of the strapping if it does deteriorate. It seemed like each piece was wrapped around the side of the frame about three wraps on each end - no screws or rivets holding it in place. How you could do that on one end is easy to figure. How can it be done on both ends...........there's the mystery! Only thing I can figure is that it was done by machine and that the strapping had enough stretch in it to remain taut.

Bill :)

[ilovetv]

A lady from the Village of Bonita sat next to me at the most recent POA meeting. Janet Tutt was there and this lady asked Janet if she was aware that 2 people had been seriously hurt after falling off the new lounge chairs. She said she was aware, that they had recently consulted with Disney World & ordered the same chairs that Disney was using.:024:

They consulted with DisneyWorld about chairs ordered the same chairs that Disney was using?

How about consulting The Villages residents and ordering the same chairs they had been using and that were safe, comfortable and durable with rigorous daily use?!?!?

[skip0358]

I had similar chairs up north but with arms. Heavy duty strapping in white. Over time because of suntan lotion, oils and sitting in the sun they turned yellowish brown and would not come clean. So I assume the same will happen to these. We're all getting older and more fragile. There are grab rails everywhere. Why someone would think chaise lounges without arms would be a good idea is beyond me. The chises do tip & if you try and get the braces out of your lower back by moving up the foot end starts to come up.Not the greatest of ideas. More money down the drain.

[jblum315]

I think they put the better furniture at the family pools

[paulandjean]

I checked out the new furniture at Hadley pool.Great. Had no problem with it. Seems like nice clean and safe furniture. Not sure how someone could get hurt on this. Maybe to many cocktails at the poolside. Like I said "Lighten UP", everything is fine. Thank You for the new furniture.

[graciegirl]

They consulted with DisneyWorld about chairs ordered the same chairs that Disney was using?

How about consulting The Villages residents and ordering the same chairs they had been using and that were safe, comfortable and durable with rigorous daily use?!?!?

The purchasers from TV have enormous clout and they can buy great deals in bulk and they do. They probably buy from the people Disney does. I would rather have them consult Disney who has tremendous knowlege about how things wear with droves of people using them, then us. One of the things I love about the things in TV is the high quality and the perfect style. They know what they are doing.

To me, it is another example of their business acumen. They painted the Odell Center each Spring of the three years we have lived next to it. All of it. The covers for the shuffleboard, the storage house for the pickleball paddles, the shelterhouse. The rec center itself. They regularly trim and deweed the planting areas. They take really good care of stuff. They replace things when they get shabby. THAT is what I have tried to do in the spaces I have occupied and the number one reason I chose The Villages to live. It is clean and VERY well maintained.

I know that I have heard that Spanish Springs was designed by Disney Designers. They may know the people who run Disney. The end result is spectacular.

Better than consulting one of our neighbors who has the whole danged family of trolls in her back yard. AND the bending over lady. She doesn't do computers or I wouldn't say this. DON'T tell her I said this. It was mean.

[jblum315]

Every time my picky daughter visits she says it's nicer than most resort hotels

[jdsl1998]

I'm thinking they thought the change was a good thing... I have bought several things I thought were great in a store only to get home and be disappointed in the actual use of the product. In fact, I have a whole closet full of such items up north....Dang it! I went to Hadley yesterday and they are not so bad. No, they are not as comfy as the last set but perhaps when we get the next set the knowledge learned from these will bring great comfort to all of us! I don't come for the chairs for the most part. It is still a wonderful place to be.
I still enjoy the pool and all the Hadley-ites.

[RichieLion]

The problem is the loungers are very light and lower than the old mesh loungers and you now don't have chair arms to help you get up. So you plant your hands on the edge of the seat area and if you're not careful, or don't have good balance, you can flip the chair over.

If you slightly "non-mobile" you need someone to help you rise from the chair.

[graciegirl]

The problem is the loungers are very light and lower than the old mesh loungers and you now don't have chair arms to help you get up. So you plant your hands on the edge of the seat area and if you're not careful, or don't have good balance, you can flip the chair over.

If you slightly "non-mobile" you need someone to help you rise from the chair.

Well that isn't good being that most of us are not as graceful as we used to be.

[swimdawg]

I checked out the new furniture at Hadley pool.Great. Had no problem with it. Seems like nice clean and safe furniture. Not sure how someone could get hurt on this. Maybe to many cocktails at the poolside. Like I said "Lighten UP", everything is fine. Thank You for the new furniture.

I have no point of reference except for the experience I had while my parents lived in Del Webb's Sun City West, AZ. The furniture around the pool was "top shelf" in the beginning. During the 20 some years they were there, those chairs and lounges were NEVER replaced once. What was once "top shelf" certainly looked pretty darn shabby after several years. It's nice that I'm going to be living in a place where the owners keep an eye on everything and keep it up...rather than letting things look old and shabby.

[BOMBERO]

I checked out the new furniture at Hadley pool.Great. Had no problem with it. Seems like nice clean and safe furniture. Not sure how someone could get hurt on this. Maybe to many cocktails at the poolside. Like I said "Lighten UP", everything is fine. Thank You for the new furniture.

Lighten up and Thank You.

You know what they say: "some people would BITCH if you hung them with a new rope."

[LittleDog]

Just got back from the Poinciana pool and the furniture there is the original furniture. I was expecting to see the new and "impoved" furniture.

John

[Bill-n-Brillo]

The "original" style pool furniture is in place at the St. James pool - just got back from there a bit ago.

Bill :)

[Talk Host]

People are not "bitching because they are being hanged with an old rope." People have opinions and they have the right to express them. Just because they live in The Villages doesn't mean they've given up their right to express opinions. Village residents are still human beings and can voice their opinions about what they like and dislike.

Some people like the new furniture. Others find it to be a problem. The pools are not a "gift" from the Villages. They are paid for by the amenity fees. People have the right to have an opinion.

I don't subscribe to the premise that "if the Villages decides it's good for me, then by God I'm gonna accept it regardless of how I might feel." Everybody paid a lot of money to live here.

That's my opinion.

[kandj]

People are not "bitching because they are being hanged with an old rope." People have opinions and they have the right to express them. Just because they live in The Villages doesn't mean they've given up their right to express opinions. Village residents are still human beings and can voice their opinions about what they like and dislike.

Some people like the new furniture. Others find it to be a problem. The pools are not a "gift" from the Villages. They are paid for by the amenity fees. People have the right to have an opinion.

I don't subscribe to the premise that "if the Villages decides it's good for me, then by God I'm gonna accept it regardless of how I might feel." Everybody paid a lot of money to live here.

That's my opinion.

:agree: Everyone should be entitled to voice their opinions without feeling like they will be belittled because they chose to share how they feel!

[Tweety Bird]

Replaced the ones at Amelia as well. To us it looks not as high quality as what they had been having...though the older ones would get in bad shape from use and being in the weather. Personally I liked what was replaced better than the new!

I agree. These new ones look cheap and I don't like them as well as the other ones. I like the arms on the older ones.

[Tweety Bird]

A lady from the Village of Bonita sat next to me at the most recent POA meeting. Janet Tutt was there and this lady asked Janet if she was aware that 2 people had been seriously hurt after falling off the new lounge chairs. She said she was aware, that they had recently consulted with Disney World & ordered the same chairs that Disney was using. No mention was made of the type of chairs(vinyl straps). Janet said that they thought the armless chaises, which are lower, would be easier for people with joint problems to get in & out of. I believe she said that they were reviewing this decision. My 84yo mother went to the pool late this afternoon and told me that they had replaced all the chaises with the ones I described. Like others, I hate these kind of chairs. They just replace the furniture about 2 years ago. I can't believe they needed to be replaced. Mom & I like chaises with arms as it makes it easier for us to get up as we both have had knee replacements and are on the "plus" side. The other furniture was classy-looking. I am definitely going to follow up on this with Janet or the Recreation Dept.:024:

I'm anxious to see what you come up with. Don't we get any input on these things?

[BOMBERO]

People are not "bitching because they are being hanged with an old rope." People have opinions and they have the right to express them. Just because they live in The Villages doesn't mean they've given up their right to express opinions. Village residents are still human beings and can voice their opinions about what they like and dislike.

Some people like the new furniture. Others find it to be a problem. The pools are not a "gift" from the Villages. They are paid for by the amenity fees. People have the right to have an opinion.

I don't subscribe to the premise that "if the Villages decides it's good for me, then by God I'm gonna accept it regardless of how I might feel." Everybody paid a lot of money to live here.

That's my opinion.

You know what they say about opinions.

[springfield illinois]

They might work at disney ,,,,,,,we we are not built like minney or micky....more like goofy or dumbo!,,,
I still want to know where the old ones are being kept!!!

[katezbox]

Lighten up and Thank You.

You know what they say: "some people would BITCH if you hung them with a new rope."

Bombero,

Actually I think ALL people would bitch about being hung - regardless of the age of the rope.

Paulandjean seems to have a habit of snarky posts. Why be mean? Why not just say I like the new chairs and give your reasons? We all know that Gracie is a lovely person - why so sarcastic to her?

I agree that it is great to have the place updated as needed, but most of these chairs didn't need to be replaced (in many of the opinions above). If the district uses it's capital replacement fund to buy things that don't need replacing (yet), won't that mean that there is less $$ left for other projects?

k

[Talk Host]

You know what they say about opinions.


Yes, but sadly, this saying reduces opinions to a very low level of comparison. Opinions are great. Our country was founded on opinions. The Villages was based on the opinions of a few visionaries.

JLK

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by tpop1 on 10/20/10.

Marginalizing other peoples' viewpoints!

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I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
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“Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you.” -Frank Barron

I agree that marginalizing one point of view seems to be happening with frequency lately.

I will not ne drawn into any argument with anyone as "I agree that we disagree".

[katezbox]

Originally Posted by tpop1 on 10/20/10.

Marginalizing other peoples' viewpoints!

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I have been a member of this board for 2 years now and have gained valuable insights on many subjects; insights based on input from you, the contributors. I’ve experienced great restaurants, golf cart service, plumbers, etc. by taking your recommendations.

Recently I have been feeling that contributors’ inputs are increasingly being minimized based on other poster s’ “world views.”

I highly doubt that a person would put information on this board about treatment in a restaurant, or how they feel about the church they attend, just for sport.

A person’s perceptions are very real to them despite what anyone else feels about their experiences at a location.

In fact I have seen the opinions of three posters, with essentially the same experience at one of the local restaurants, be marginalized by several posters because they did not experience it themselves and because they like the establishment.

I find it funny that some establishments (does Too Jays come to mind?) rarely get bad reviews here. Must be something to it?

I will continue to take your views into consideration when dining, purchasing, praying; any time I spend my time or money. You have yet to lead me wrong.
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__________________
“Never take a person's dignity: it is worth everything to them, and nothing to you.” -Frank Barron

I agree that marginalizing one point of view seems to be happening with frequency lately.

I will not ne drawn into any argument with anyone as "I agree that we disagree".


Smart words from two Nutmeggers!

[paulandjean]

I gave the facts. I cannot have a opinion. Maybe because it is not the same as yours. Maybe if you understand what "Lighten UP" means, you would not take things so serious.

[katezbox]

I gave the facts. I cannot have a opinion. Maybe because it is not the same as yours. Maybe if you understand what "Lighten UP" means, you would not take things so serious.

p&j - you gave your opinion about when new chairs were needed, whether designer labels made sense and you told folks who felt otherwise to "lighten up." Believe it or not, I was acquainted with the term "lighten up" before you defined ti for me... Perhaps, I should define "snarky" for you - oops - think I just showed you an example!

I respect your opinion - but I don't respect your comments to Gracie (and others)....

[paulandjean]

Thank you so much for repecting my opinion. That means so much to me.

[katezbox]

Thank you so much for repecting my opinion. That means so much to me.

Bazinga!

[KittyKat]

I found out that the Recreation Dept does the purchasing of the pool furniture so I just sent them an email about our opinions of the new pool furniture. I also asked them what criteria they used in deciding when to replace same and in the future could they place some samples at the pools and give us a way to rate them before they buy them enmasse? I referenced this site, hope that is OK; nothing on here that they shouldn't be able to read.:024:

[KittyKat]

Received a phonecall this afternoon from John/Recreation Dept Director in reply to my email. He stated that they have had so many problems with the fabric-type material not holding up to Florida's weather so they decided to go with the type of furniture we now have. I told him that people had suggested another color besides white because it is already looking dirty and he said he would keep that in mind the next time.:024:

[josephine71]

Pools are run by the VCCD I would contact your VCCD reps and let them know.

I grew up in Beooklyn also and then moved to Rockland County Normady Villages..Where did you live in Brooklyn and Rockland county?

Josephine

[josephine71]

I gre up in Brooklyn also Williamburg then I moved to Rockland County Normady Village where did you live in Brooklyn and then in Rockland county....

[graciegirl]

I haven't seen them with my own eyes and have to rely on all of you to tell us about things that are happening since we are off campus.

I have had only good experiences with the choices so far, and that is the reason I was questioning .

I am sorry if I offended anyone.

[tudacee]

I haven't seen them with my own eyes and have to rely on all of you to tell us about things that are happening since we are off campus.

I have had only good experiences with the choices so far, and that is the reason I was questioning .

I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Gracie..you could never offend anyone. I always enjoy your comments.

[skyguy79]

I haven't seen them with my own eyes and have to rely on all of you to tell us about things that are happening since we are off campus.

I have had only good experiences with the choices so far, and that is the reason I was questioning .

I am sorry if I offended anyone.I haven't heard of anyone being offended, but I've caught wind of new lounge chairs being somewhat disgruntled with the comments going around.

Don't worry though! I've threatend them that if they didn't keep their whining to themselves, all us TV heavyweights will come down hard on them! http://th213.photobucket.com/albums/cc283/mKBy09/Emoticons%20and%20GIFs/th_WAHA.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/image/laugh%20smiley/mKBy09/Emoticons%20and%20GIFs/WAHA.gif?o=101)

[katezbox]

I haven't seen them with my own eyes and have to rely on all of you to tell us about things that are happening since we are off campus.

I have had only good experiences with the choices so far, and that is the reason I was questioning .

I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Gracie,

I am sure that Henry (if he thinks hard enough) might, just might, remember a time that you offended someone. On second thought, probably not....

k

PS - you always say I am smart - so I must therefore be right about this....