and when you get older . . .

[kofficer]

My husband and I are just wondering what everyone plans to do when they are in their 80s, and should probably no longer drive, how are you going to get to doctors and shopping, etc. Do you plan to just slow down and putt putt in your golf cart where you want to go, or like some of the other communities we are looking at which offer regular, scheduled buses or van service to the various shopping centers and grocery stores, is there any thing like that in the Villages?

How about cab service, is that readily available?

LeeoTampa

[Tbugs]

What the heck do you mean, "slow down and putt putt in your golf cart?" :loco: Are you going to be retired and speed everywhere? Most of the streets here are 35 mph and strictly enforced. Sidestreets are 25 mph and enforced. Speeding fines are very expensive. Golf carts go 20 mph (legally - and enforced on the streets). Speeding fine on a golf cart is just as expensive as in a car.

I am way far south of being 80. I know how to drive my car just fine - BUT I prefer to drive my golf cart to places in The Villages. I live up by the Glenview Country Club and am 15 minutes by golf cart to Spanish Springs and to Lake Sumter Landing. I go to the grocery store,bank, church, restaurants, Walmart, Beall's, Belk, rec. centers, down to 466A and Colony Square, and all the golf course including over to Orange Blossom in the historic section - all by golf cart. It is so much more enjoyable than by car and so much cheaper.

I do have to use my car when I go to a doctor appt up on 466 or in Leesburg, of course. I use my car to drive to restaurants outside The Villages or to Orlando or my beach days with friends.

Yes, there is a Village taxi service. Only shuttle bus I know of is from Freedom Pointe for their residents - the independent and assisted living facility.

[bluedog103]

What the heck do you mean, "slow down and putt putt in your golf cart?" :loco: Are you going to be retired and speed everywhere? Most of the streets here are 35 mph and strictly enforced. Sidestreets are 25 mph and enforced. Speeding fines are very expensive. Golf carts go 20 mph (legally - and enforced on the streets). Speeding fine on a golf cart is just as expensive
I don't know about the northern areas but in our 'hood in St. Charles the speed limit is 15mph. It's not enforced very well but that's what the signs say. Even the enforcement in the 35 mph zones is spotty. Just try to cruise down Buena Vista at 35 mph and see how often you're passed. I think they blitz an area from time to time but most often I see no enforcement at all.
I don't think golf carts are often cited for speeding higher than 20 mph. I'm pretty sure those who get tickets are cited for driving an unregistered motor vehicle since vehicles capable of speeds in excess of 20 mph are required to be registered.

[kofficer]

It was an honest question. A lot of people as they get older can't drive anymore, I have no idea what shape we will be in, hopefully not among that group. (It think my husband is worried he won't be able to drive and will have to ride with his wife, me). Just because a person can still get around in a golf cart, doesn't always mean you should, and my question was to see if they was any kind of "service" provided for those people who needed it. Apparently, the answer is NO. It won't change our minds about what we want to do, which is join you all as soon as we can get our house sold here in Tampa in the next year, but personally I think it is a service that is probably overlooked.

We're about to make our 4th trip to the villages, so I already know what the traffic is like, both summer and winter and how fast I see the golf carts on the paths and crossing the streets without looking, and our experience has been on the streets, if we do the speed limit, the people behind us are having fits with us, not to mention just deciding to cross over you in the turnabouts to get in a different lane without signalling. Driving in the Villages is not one of the "friendliest" parts of the Villages. This will be the first time we will be trying the "golf cart" life, so it should be an interesting trip. We have a rental in August for two weeks and we're very much looking forward to getting a chance to try out some of the facilities while we are there.

Thanks for your answers.

[ilovetv]

"Just putt putt in your golf cart"????? The privately-owned golf carts we all have hardly "putt putt" around. We hop in and GO. It's far easier to go by golf cart and park than with a car.

[billybye]

There is no reason to stop driving a car until you are unable. My mother in law (who lives with us) is 90 and still drives when needed - not at night though. You can drive at whatever age you are still ok, you will know when or some one will tell you when you should think about it.
As far as golf cards speeding around. I thought my cart was too slow because everyone was passing me. Had it checked and it does 22 mph, faster than limit.
Like was said - almost everyhing is accessible my golf cart here in TV.
Also you probably shouldn't drive a golf cart if sight and sound are a problem, or your reflexes are bad. See some of those also

[skip0358]

Most everything you need is right here in TV. There's a shuttle to the airport, buses to the casinos,buses to the cruise ports. You can go to the doctors,hospitals, movies and most stores and resteraunts, church etc via
golf cart. I have seen a taxi or two but don't need them so I don't call. I'm not there yet but I don't feel 80 is to old to be driving my golf cart.I sure hope to find out as I'm sure most other people here feel the same way. As for those that pass you oh well let them they're in a hurry for some reason. don't let it bother you. I haven't seen any old people yet:crap2:

[memason]

I believe your question is perfectly legit. As we age, we all wonder how we will get around...to the shops, grocery store, doctors, etc. In most US cities this is a huge issue for older Americans. I this country, if you do not or cannot drive, you're in real trouble.

I personally believe living in TV could extend your driving abilities by a few years, albeit in a golf cart. Certainly, it would depend upon your health and eyesight, but could drive well into your 90's...my opinion.

As for traffic...it's no worse here than in Tampa. In Tampa, people run stop signs and turn right on red lights, right in front of you; same as anywhere else, including TV. Roundabouts are something that most people have never had the pleasure of navigating, before moving to TV. But the speed limit is 20 in the roundabouts, so it's unlikely anyone is going to get terribly injured in a crash, should it happen.

Hope you have fun driving around in the golf cart...that's what makes TV so much fun...

[kentucky blue]

. I'm not there yet but I don't feel 80 is to old to be driving my golf cart.I sure hope to find out as I'm sure most other people here feel the same way. As for those that pass you oh well let them they're in a hurry for some reason. don't let it bother you. I haven't seen any old people yet:crap2:

Having a home in TV and meeting new friends daily, the only thing i know about old age is what i read.I know,growing old is mandatory, but luckliy, growing up is totally optional.But i do realize most of the numbers in my "black book" have M.D. after them, and "getting lucky," now means finding my golf cart in the TV parking lot.:pepper2::gc:

[rjm1cc]

My husband and I are just wondering what everyone plans to do when they are in their 80s, and should probably no longer drive, how are you going to get to doctors and shopping, etc. Do you plan to just slow down and putt putt in your golf cart where you want to go, or like some of the other communities we are looking at which offer regular, scheduled buses or van service to the various shopping centers and grocery stores, is there any thing like that in the Villages?

How about cab service, is that readily available?

LeeoTampa
This is a good question. The basic question is as you get older or your health changes for the worst what services can you find. Do grocery stores deliver, can you find household help, caregiver etc.? Rather important question if you do not plan on moving to an assisted residence.

[rubicon]

It was an honest question. A lot of people as they get older can't drive anymore, I have no idea what shape we will be in, hopefully not among that group. (It think my husband is worried he won't be able to drive and will have to ride with his wife, me). Just because a person can still get around in a golf cart, doesn't always mean you should, and my question was to see if they was any kind of "service" provided for those people who needed it. Apparently, the answer is NO. It won't change our minds about what we want to do, which is join you all as soon as we can get our house sold here in Tampa in the next year, but personally I think it is a service that is probably overlooked.

We're about to make our 4th trip to the villages, so I already know what the traffic is like, both summer and winter and how fast I see the golf carts on the paths and crossing the streets without looking, and our experience has been on the streets, if we do the speed limit, the people behind us are having fits with us, not to mention just deciding to cross over you in the turnabouts to get in a different lane without signalling. Driving in the Villages is not one of the "friendliest" parts of the Villages. This will be the first time we will be trying the "golf cart" life, so it should be an interesting trip. We have a rental in August for two weeks and we're very much looking forward to getting a chance to try out some of the facilities while we are there.

Thanks for your answers.

It was an honest question nd the answer begins with depends. It depends on how healthy you are at 80. I played golf with two 81 year old guys that shot in the low 70's and I have played golf with guys 60 or younger who huffed and puffed around the course.

Some folks who are not driving cars should also not be allowed to drive a golf cart. I have lived in big cities and I am as defensive a driver here as I did there.

I have heard some folks say that one of the benefits of moving here is that when they can't drive their cars they still have their carts.

Good luck with your move here. My brother had two friends who just moved up from the Tampa area.

[Pturner]

My husband and I are just wondering what everyone plans to do when they are in their 80s, and should probably no longer drive, how are you going to get to doctors and shopping, etc. Do you plan to just slow down and putt putt in your golf cart where you want to go, or like some of the other communities we are looking at which offer regular, scheduled buses or van service to the various shopping centers and grocery stores, is there any thing like that in the Villages?

How about cab service, is that readily available?

LeeoTampa

Kofficer, you raise a good question. It seems that this is not an easy thing to plan for in advance. None of us really knows at what age we will lose our mobility, or whether when we do, we will have more extensive personal care needs.

Some people no doubt move back to be near family or move to assisted living when mobility becomes an issue, but TVers do have other options. Cab service is certainly available; and I suspect it would be relatively easy to hire a part-time driver. There are plenty of medical professionals in the area for those who might need to hire a personal nurse or caregiver. Shopping, dining and medical care are all close by in TV.

There are probably other communities with more formal mobility arrangements, but they might not offer as many opportunities as TV does to keep seniors active, mobile and healthy.

It is something to think about, but for me it would not be something to worry about. Options are available.

[kofficer]

Thanks. I tend to be the over-thinker in the family, and when my husband brought this up, I just figured I'd pose the question, and I'm the first to agree with TV's other options. Believe me, we keep trying to find something that even begins to compare to TV. We just can't find the activities and ability to do those things you have been wanting to do all your life and never had the time. We can't wait until we can actually make the move. Finally getting the house up for sale in the next few months. Probably will buy whenever we find the right house after we sell, and use for weekends till we can actually come up full time. We rented a place for the month of August, will spend our vacation week 8/6-14, and then the weekends so we can really enjoy the lifestyle. We did our lifestyle in the Winter, and we want to try out pools, etc. this time. Meet more people, etc.

Thanks everyone for your input.

[KittyKat]

My husband and I are just wondering what everyone plans to do when they are in their 80s, and should probably no longer drive, how are you going to get to doctors and shopping, etc. Do you plan to just slow down and putt putt in your golf cart where you want to go, or like some of the other communities we are looking at which offer regular, scheduled buses or van service to the various shopping centers and grocery stores, is there any thing like that in the Villages?

How about cab service, is that readily available?

I, too, like to plan way ahead. Good for you! When we moved here 4 yrs ago I was 54 and my mother was 81. She preferred to let me drive because of the roundabouts; would occasionally drive to Wal-Mart or the beauty school until 2 yrs ago when she turned in front of a STREET-LEGAL :swear: coming across 466 on Morse Blvd (she had been waiting to turn west on 466, several cars passed, she started to finish her turn and suddenly there the cart was & T-boned the passenger side..luckily no one was hurt). She turned in her keys. Now she just drives the cart to the pool. I believe there is a bus service because my neighbor down the street has Parkinson's and I saw a special bus go by every week for awhile. We have several new assisted-living places, one on 466 & one on 301 but like another poster said if you are healthy then staying here, where there are more activities, is a better idea. So I would start here and go from there. P.S. I lived in Tampa on Hillsborough Ave just north of St Joe's, where I worked from 1983-85.

[CMANN]

I'll get around in my golf cart. If I need to be in a hurry, I'll call 911.

C

[jblum315]

My young nephew's wife came to NY from Germany and did not get a driver's license until she had been here about 11 years. During that time they lived in White Plains, were raising young children, and she went everywhere (work, doctors, groceries etc.) by cab. She said it cost $3000 a year but that driving a car would have cost more (may be true -don't know). Cabs much cheaper here than in WP and readily available. Go figure,

[Boomer]

Good morning, kofficer,

I understand your thoughts completely. You have asked an important question. TV is unique and its golf cart accessibility is quite wonderful, but the availability of transportation when it is time to turn over the keys is something to think about. I am glad you asked. And when I saw your question, I remembered this.......

Here on TOTV, every once in awhile, topics turn to the accidents and near-accidents there in TV. Golf carts and cars can be a dangerous and even deadly mix. There is a lot of confusion in the roundabouts it seems. And you are always going to have those drivers with short fuses and a sense of entitlement -- just like everywhere else.

My guess is that there is another contributory factor to those driving problems in TV. And that factor may be in a larger percentage than it is elsewhere.

I know that many here have already faced those circumstances in life where the child must become the parent and the parent must become the child. There is nothing easy about doing that, from either perspective.

I wrote somewhere once in one of these threads about the real struggle we had with Mr. Boomer's dear father and the Oldsmobile keys.

Mr. Boomer, Sr. was strongly independent and his mind was sharp, but his body was betraying him. Throw in that old saying that we use in our family, "You can always tell a German, but you can't tell him much," and it will give you some idea of what we went through. And I know that so many of you can relate.

He had some vision problems that had developed that he neglected to tell anybody about right away.

When we found out, the first question was, "Why are you still driving?"

His answer to us, "I can see shapes."

Well, the vision problem was corrected and so he kept driving.

But then he developed peripheral neuropathy. That is a condition that diabetics can develop and it can cause them to lose feeling in their feet. There were times when he could not distinguish the brake pedal from the gas pedal. And there were accidents. One involved the wall between the garage and the house. No one was sitting on the family room couch at the time or the accident could have been deadly.

The car keys are a symbol of freedom, whether we are 16 or 85. When I first got mine, I found many reasons to carry that key ring in my hand, swinging it around for the world to see. (You know you did, too.)

To have to take the freedom of the car keys away is not fun.

And I am afraid that sometimes, for those like Mr. Boomer, Sr., the perception of driving a golf cart is that you can just do it forever, whether you can feel your feet or see should make no difference whatsoever. And my guess is that fewer adult kids think about or want to think about wrestling for the golf cart keys.

So please watch out for each other there in TV. Because my guess is that when the kids visit, they are not coming to wrestle for the keys. They are there to have fun, too.

Boomer

[ssmith]

I know there has been some discussion about this in the past; but I wonder if there is a real need for volunteers to drive for errands or doctor appts. I know someone mentioned the liability issue/law suit issue sooo one would need to be very careful about this sort of thing. I had kicked this issue around since I know someone here in Indiana that is in his mid 80's and he told me he keeps busy by driving the "old" poeple for errands (he was talking about those in their 90's) (BTW he also does their yard work...all as ministry) I know that one would have to be extremely careful about such an endeavor/ministry or maybe business....but the people in TV are soooo friendly. I wonder if neighbors could co-op together and take care of each other that way....just some thoughts. Sorry to ramble.

I have also wondered this same thing about the aging issue. My mother, like Boomers father, was a problem and threw one big "hissy fit" when we had to take her keys away....she was just getting into toooo many accidents and hiding it from us and blaming it on others....(she was paranoid with dimentia). We had to have the police remove her from her apartment since she had a gun and was bothering others. Definitley not the Walton's.

I had also thought that I would rather chance it by moving to TV, not knowing what the future holds, and taking it from there. No one is promised health or even tomorrow. I would rather be there and enjoy some good years and flex if things changed. If nothing else one could move back to family knowing that you had some good years there.

[kofficer]

Very well said, Mr. Boomer, and I thank you. My husband is diabetic, and usually he is not the one to think ahead so much, but I think he is concerned about what "if" in this case. I'm sure we will figure it out, and I also know that we will give up our keys to our transportation way before we give up living in our own home, that, we will be very German about.

Lee and Richard in Tampa (for not too much longer)

[kofficer]

and to S. Smith and others, very good answers, and we too, will take our chances. There are companies that do this kind of thing, obviously, as other communities have regular "runs", so I guess when enough of us get to the age of needing this kind of "service", it may be offered. As we just turned 65, I don't think we are planning on needing this kind of thing for some time yet . . . just thinking ahead.

[2BNTV]

My husband and I are just wondering what everyone plans to do when they are in their 80s, and should probably no longer drive, how are you going to get to doctors and shopping, etc. Do you plan to just slow down and putt putt in your golf cart where you want to go, or like some of the other communities we are looking at which offer regular, scheduled buses or van service to the various shopping centers and grocery stores, is there any thing like that in the Villages?

How about cab service, is that readily available?

LeeoTampa

kofficer:

It is very smart of you to think ahead but as we all know, we don't have total control over our health. All we can do is try and stay as healthy as possible by going to the doctor as needed and hope for the best. I personally have a concern for my vision as I am a type 2 diabetic who's mother had macular degeneration.

My father had vision problems and when he got older, he constantly hit something, (parking meters and other cars when parking). One time, I was in the car with him and a cat ran into the road and he never saw it. At that point, the car keys needed to be taken away before he killed someone. Unfortunately, he felt that his independence was stripped and he lost the will to live.

I will depend on the friends I have and if that is not an option, I will cab it assuming I can not drive a cart safely either. I remember reading of some communitites that were built to offer help to senior citizens for their needs.

Maybe a "Get a Ride" club could be formed to facilitate people with help getting to the doctors.

My mother fought with all her strength to be independent as she did not want to go to a nursing home. She succeeded. Only time will tell when one needs to use that option.

Best Wishes for future health.

[2 Oldcrabs]

We have friends who are in their mid 70's and just moved "back home" after 14 years in TV. They moved to an independent living facility that allows them to enter the nursing home part of the facility at no added cost. They felt the need to be near their children, but did not want to burden them. TV has an independent facility, but it appears to be expensive. We have no children to "go back to" and have some of your same concern. When we get to TV and get settled in, we will begin to look into independent living facilites. We like to plan for the future.

[caseylou5]

My husband and I are just wondering what everyone plans to do when they are in their 80s, and should probably no longer drive, how are you going to get to doctors and shopping, etc. Do you plan to just slow down and putt putt in your golf cart where you want to go, or like some of the other communities we are looking at which offer regular, scheduled buses or van service to the various shopping centers and grocery stores, is there any thing like that in the Villages?

How about cab service, is that readily available?

LeeoTampa

I guess we can just adopt a young 70 year old who can drive!

[ssmith]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[2BNTV]

I guess we can just adopt a young 70 year old who can drive!


caseylou:


:1rotfl:

I'm under 70. Will you adopt me? :)

[kofficer]

any you are right in the same mind set we are. No children. Two half sisters and a niece. I don't want to burden them, if I can help it. We have health issues, that will get us at some point . . . the very last thing I want is to be in a Nursing Home in Florida, and this State is not interested seeing about helping people stay in their homes instead of going to one. But I'm not ready to leave yet, either (in Tampa right now). We are cruisers and 3 night a week bowlers, and ball room dancers and gym rats, among other things, and I think the Villages will keep us young longer than anywhere else. So, we'll cross our fingers and let the future be what it is, and handle it when it comes, I guess. There comes a point where you over-think things, and it keeps you from enjoying your life.

Richard and Lee in Tampa.

[Boomer]

I have learned that there is a taxi service that I think is owned by The Villages. I believe this is in addition to the airport shuttle.

It seems like there would be others in the area. Sounds like a business opportunity for someone to set up (outside TV) a small fleet and all necessary insurances, background checks, and testing to provide such a service to TV residents. Should be room for competition even -- especially eventually.

As TV grows and the residents grow older so will the need for drivers.

I have wondered, too, if there are continuum-of-care communities in proximity to TV though not connected.

Seems like there are niches to be filled. That is a large aging population in TV so the ratio of need could become out of proportion to what would be provided directly by TV-owned entities only.

But what do I know. A rainy afternoon just changed my plans so here I sit on TOTV, just thinking out loud.

Boomer (might someday be Miss Daisy Boomer)

[TomW]

In addressing the original question, there are several transportation and living arrangement possibilties in The Villages as one loses the ability to operate various vehicles and needs to get to doctors as well as other more fun things in life. There are certainly taxis but we find that we travel to entertainments and dining with neighbors. The are also private people who will drive you short distances economically. Then there are are county services. When and if you reach the point you are no longer mobile, then there are other living arrangements here for your as well.

[downeaster]

Reaching 80 may not mean one is less able to drive. However, exiting the car at one's destination can become time consuming.

[barb1191]

I do believe that there is a shuttle that travels around the town squares and strip malls for a very small fee which I think is under $1. Golf carts are the most popular form of transportation, and please know that at 80 yrs old doesn't mean you're stuck; not here in TV, for sure. They're all ages who are very active here and there is no age/class distinction of any kind as age is merely a number.

My neighbor is 80+ and never drove a vehicle, yet she putts all over TV in her golf cart (doesn't play golf) and is so very independent and living alone and always has a smile on her face.

One sets their own pace as to socializing, also with the abundance of activities that never "break the bank." I recall being told that there's a 90 yr old man that teaches roller-blading!!!!