If He Runs; The Next President of the United States.

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This is the man who is going to enthrall the American public like no one has since Ronald Reagan. This outstanding governor of the State Of Texas is a great orator of our American values and will be the President of the U.S. in 2012 if he chooses to accept the nomination.

I've linked a website which has a video of the stirring 20 minute speech this man, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, gave at the Repubican Leadership Conference today, June 18th, in Louisiana.

I'm pretty sure all of our TOTV resident "rooted" liberals will gag and/or attack him or me or both, but I didn't post this thread for them. I've posted it and the link for those who need real "hope" for a real "change".

(I'm kind of liking the sound of "Rick Perry / Michele Bachmann 2012")

http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/18/perry_left_never_going_to_like_us_so_lets_stop_try ing_to_curry_favor_with_them.html

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Given my desire not to vote for any incumbents, I've been quite disappointed with the 'GOP field' so far. With the exception of Romney. I'd really like it if Chris Christie and/or Michael Bloomberg would throw their hats in the ring, but that doesn't look like it will happen.

I'm willing to listen to what Perry has to say. Initially, I thought he was a little too far over the right edge for me, but I'm certainly willing to listen and compare him to Romney on the values and plans they propose. I will be listening for some specifics, not the platitudes that are so often prevalent in political campaigning.


Let's see what happens.

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Dang it, Richie, do I get to be the first long-haired, love-beaded hippie to reply to your posting about Rick Perry?

His problem for the Presidency may be that he is governor of Texas. George W. Bush once held that office and was elected to be President. The link between governor of Texas and President just may turn off voters because a lot of Americans, and no small number of Republican primary voters, reminisce about the last Bush presidency the way they might about, say, once having contracted shingles.

I am not saying Perry is a bad choice - but it will be an uphill battle for him to get the nomination and then to win.

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...His (Perry's) problem for the Presidency may be that he is governor of Texas. George W. Bush once held that office and was elected to be President. The link between governor of Texas and President just may turn off voters because a lot of Americans, and no small number of Republican primary voters, reminisce about the last Bush presidency the way they might about, say, once having contracted shingles.

I am not saying Perry is a bad choice - but it will be an uphill battle for him to get the nomination and then to win.Yeah and before Dubya, there was Lyndon and Ike.

Hey, one out of three ain't too bad!

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Yeah and before Dubya, there was Lyndon and Ike.

Hey, one out of three ain't too bad!

Lyndon?

Johnson or LaRouche? :)

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Yeah and before Dubya, there was Lyndon and Ike.

Hey, one out of three ain't too bad!

I'm hope it's not Johnson and the Great Society you're praising. Please tell me I'm mistaken.

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I'm a republican through and through. I lived in Texas when Bush was governor and Perry was Lt. governor. Neither one of them was any good. Christie or Rubio would get my vote, if either ran. No one on the current GOP slate is exceptionally impressive. I am watching Pawlenty, however. I reiterate that I think Cain could offer a conservative alternative to Obama, but Cain did not show particularly well in the debate this past Monday.

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I'm a republican through and through. I lived in Texas when Bush was governor and Perry was Lt. governor. Neither one of them was any good. Christie or Rubio would get my vote, if either ran. No one on the current GOP slate is exceptionally impressive. I am watching Pawlenty, however. I reiterate that I think Cain could offer a conservative alternative to Obama, but Cain did not show particularly well in the debate this past Monday.

New Jersey voters would not vote for Christie for President by a recent survey, and you say you're not enamored with your governor as a presidential candidate. It's a funny thing.

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Great post Richie. He's one of my favorites. I've had my ears and eyes on Rick Perry for a while now. He's steadfast in his beliefs. Not everybody like him. Some people don't have the American dream. They dream of changing America and taking us further away from the values and conservative beliefs that believe in individual freedoms. That's okay if they think like that. It keeps everyone on their toes. To me it makes our lives all the more precious and makes me more aware of what I am being asked to give up and give away.

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I forgot to say: Power to the people. I think Jesus said that.

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I forgot to say: Power to the people. I think Jesus said that.

So did Progressive Auto Insurance, John Lennon, the Black Panthers, Viet Nam war protesters, The Pakistan Peoples Party, James Brown, Rage Against The Machine & Public Enemy. :yuck:

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I'm hope it's not Johnson and the Great Society you're praising. Please tell me I'm mistaken.You're mistaken. Ike accomplished a whole lot and got very little credit for it.

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You're mistaken. Ike accomplished a whole lot and got very little credit for it.

Whew!; I agree.

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You're mistaken. Ike accomplished a whole lot and got very little credit for it.

VK, We often disagree but this time I am in full agreement with you. Ike had the abilities to see the big picture, do what was right for the US and bring along our allies. He oversaw one of the most prosperous and productive eras in American History and laid the groundwork for Kennedy's famous tax cuts and facing down of the USSR in the Cuban Missile crisis. He rejected the French appeal to go into Vietnam and cautioned against ever becoming involved in a war in SE Asia. We remember him most for his Farewell Address and his caution against the Militatary-Industrial complex.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/dwightdeisenhowerfarewell.html

I urge everyone on this board to take the time to read (and hopefully listen to) these very wise addressed to this nation.

The urge to be careful of the influence of the Military-Industrial complex has been met. It is no longer an overwhelming driver of our economy and is less than half of the GDP in this country that it was in Ike’s time.

He had other cautions for us that we have ignored. The first of these was the danger that public policy could become the policy of a scientific-technological elite. This has come true in the death of tens of millions of people and incalculable expenditures in the blind following of the environmentalist movement.

Another was what he termed the element of time. He urged that, “…you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage.” One can only wonder what he would think of a United States that piles on trillions upon trillions of debt for our grandchildren to deal with.

Again, take the ten minutes to listen to what he said in less than 2,000 words. IMHO, this is the clearest challenge to the American people since the Gettysburg Address.

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And by virtue of the reasoning presented why Perry may not be acceptable....there will never be another black POTUS....eh?

btk

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are pining for, another right wing, born again Republican governor from Texas.

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are pining for, another right wing, born again Republican governor from Texas.

Exactly right!; the fog is finally lifting. Good for you, Actor!

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This is the man who is going to enthrall the American public like no one has since Ronald Reagan. This outstanding governor of the State Of Texas is a great orator of our American values and will be the President of the U.S. in 2012 if he chooses to accept the nomination.

I've linked a website which has a video of the stirring 20 minute speech this man, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, gave at the Repubican Leadership Conference today, June 18th, in Louisiana.

I'm pretty sure all of our TOTV resident "rooted" liberals will gag and/or attack him or me or both, but I didn't post this thread for them. I've posted it and the link for those who need real "hope" for a real "change".

(I'm kind of liking the sound of "Rick Perry / Michele Bachmann 2012")

http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/18/perry_left_never_going_to_like_us_so_lets_stop_try ing_to_curry_favor_with_them.html

He is a Bush Clone. What we don't need is another W in The white house . His Dad was good. He was incompetent.

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As I stated before, the mention of Bush, Texas, Governor, and President is kind of like bringing up shingles contagion being a good thing.

Hopefully, the American voters are smart enough to equate another right wing Texax goobernator as President is a dumb idea.

If Perry dont like how it is done, he can secede from the Union.

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As I stated before, the mention of Bush, Texas, Governor, and President is kind of like bringing up shingles contagion being a good thing.

Hopefully, the American voters are smart enough to equate another right wing Texax goobernator as President is a dumb idea.

If Perry dont like how it is done, he can secede from the Union.

Bugs; on this issue you and JFlynn are a bit clueless, but that's just the kool-aid wearing off, I guess. When the American electorate hear Gov. Perry speak to them, they will know he's the real deal and not a lying piece of........like our current President. Just relax guys and we'll save the country for your grandchildren.

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Bugs; on this issue you and JFlynn are a bit clueless, but that's just the kool-aid wearing off, I guess. When the American electorate hear Gov. Perry speak to them, they will know he's the real deal and not a lying piece of........like our current President. Just relax guys and we'll save the country for your grandchildren.

Every once in a while your anger and hatred come to the fore. It does not become you. :yuck:

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...he's the real deal and not a lying piece of........like our current President....Too bad you're letting your emotions get out in front of an examination of the issues, Richie. If I recall correctly, President Obama won election fair and square, in the democratic process we all value. He's my President for sure. And he's yours too, whether you like it or not. It seems to me that little is gained by vitriolic, vulgar and profane personal attacks.

You'll have a chance to choose someone else for President in 2012. Between now and then I plan on listening to the issues and arguments that prospective candidates set forth justifying their candidacy for the office. I'll be turned off by those who do little else than negative campaigning against their opponents, minimizing any specificity on how they would do things better. I hope you consider a similar position.

As I said before, I'll listen to Governor Perry, to his positions on issues and his plans for the country. If he falls into the same trap as you have in doing little more than criticizing the man who is the fairly elected leader of our country, he'll likely lose any support I might have had very quickly.

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Every once in a while your anger and hatred come to the fore. It does not become you. :yuck:

Anger??; no anger or hatred in my post. You're getting delirious Dale.

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Too bad you're letting your emotions get out in front of an examination of the issues, Richie. If I recall correctly, President Obama won election fair and square, in the democratic process we all value. He's my President for sure. And he's yours too, whether you like it or not. It seems to me that little is gained by vitriolic, vulgar and profane personal attacks.

You'll have a chance to choose someone else for President in 2012. Between now and then I plan on listening to the issues and arguments that prospective candidates set forth justifying their candidacy for the office. I'll be turned off by those who do little else than negative campaigning against their opponents, minimizing any specificity on how they would do things better. I hope you consider a similar position.

As I said before, I'll listen to Governor Perry, to his positions on issues and his plans for the country. If he falls into the same trap as you have in doing little more than criticizing the man who is the fairly elected leader of our country, he'll likely lose any support I might have had very quickly.

Oh please, get off the high horse. I give as much respect, and probably more, to this president as Democrats gave the former president of the U.S. I disagree with this president on most things, and I'll give nobody blind allegiance as you suggest I should do.

If you want a litany of the almost too numerable lies told by this President to the American people, let me know. I definitely can relate them

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So good to read your political comments....Thanks



Too bad you're letting your emotions get out in front of an examination of the issues, Richie. If I recall correctly, President Obama won election fair and square, in the democratic process we all value. He's my President for sure. And he's yours too, whether you like it or not. It seems to me that little is gained by vitriolic, vulgar and profane personal attacks.

You'll have a chance to choose someone else for President in 2012. Between now and then I plan on listening to the issues and arguments that prospective candidates set forth justifying their candidacy for the office. I'll be turned off by those who do little else than negative campaigning against their opponents, minimizing any specificity on how they would do things better. I hope you consider a similar position.

As I said before, I'll listen to Governor Perry, to his positions on issues and his plans for the country. If he falls into the same trap as you have in doing little more than criticizing the man who is the fairly elected leader of our country, he'll likely lose any support I might have had very quickly.

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that I'm through with the TOTV political forum for good this time. When I have to read a comment from a classless fool calling the President a lying pos, I know this forum is a complete waste of time.

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that I'm through with the TOTV political forum for good this time. When I have to read a comment from a classless fool calling the President a lying pos, I know this forum is a complete waste of time.

You can't take it when it's someone you admire. You are quick to defame the people you don't like though, aren't you? (do I have name them?)

You've said as much or worse about people in the government arena than I have. You have a good case of selective outrage.

But, then again; don't go away mad, just go.

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It really doesnt matter who runs on the repub. ticket we cant afford this president anymore he has to go. And doesnt matter who it is I would say it about any one. Save the good old USA. Of course if a repub. does the same as this guy we are lost have to move to -----------------

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:yuck:You can't take it when it's someone you admire. You are quick to defame the people you don't like though, aren't you? (do I have name them?)

You've said as much or worse about people in the government arena than I have. You have a good case of selective outrage.

But, then again; don't go away mad, just go.

That is so despicable and disrespectful I believe you are the pos Richie. I am delirious and also totally done with this political board. Carry on with your hatred. Fortunately, most Americans do not believe what you do. :yuck:

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I have been a registered Republican following the election of JFK. Like most I learned that as a citizen I should always respect the office of President. However, what do you do when the man in office[I] is not deserving of respect. I had no respect for Nixon and hence he was not my president. Likewise i have no respect for Obama and hence he is not my president. And like Nixon, Obama lacks credibility only in Obama's case it stretches across economic and foreign policies failed policies

The thread however is about Rick Perry. From what I can gather Rick Perry's platform fits with mine. And for that matter, so does Michele Bachmann

So I like Richielion's Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann or a combination within

The problem with Perry's campaign is that he may wait too long and not be able to raise enough capital?

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Dale,

Come back, please. The proud, the few, and the lonely bleeding heart liberals need you. That leaves just me and Actor to take on the hordes of conservatives trying to overrun the TOTV forum.

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Dale,

Come back, please. The proud, the few, and the lonely bleeding heart liberals need you. That leaves just me and Actor to take on the hordes of conservatives trying to overrun the TOTV forum.

Tbug I agree with you DaleMN offered some balanced rebuttal and I hate to see him drop out. However, he may have made that claim because he enjoying all that clean air in MN....

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:yuck:

That is so despicable and disrespectful I believe you are the pos Richie. I am delirious and also totally done with this political board. Carry on with your hatred. Fortunately, most Americans do not believe what you do. :yuck:

ha ha ha ha

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Dale,

Come back, please. The proud, the few, and the lonely bleeding heart liberals need you. That leaves just me and Actor to take on the hordes of conservatives trying to overrun the TOTV forum.

Bugs; it seems that Actor and Dale are so enraged that I have the "audacity" (Obama word used on purpose) to criticize their loved one (The One) that both of them have promised to leave and not let the door hit them on the way out.

2 guys who cursed out the former president, who I admire, and they can't take it when the situation is reversed.

It's just too, too delicious and wonderfully ironic.

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Maybe both Actor and Dale should learn the laid back style of The Villages - tempered with a little bit of Johnnie Walker Black Label. Helps me quite a bit when things get too serious.

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Maybe both Actor and Dale should learn the laid back style of The Villages - tempered with a little bit of Johnnie Walker Black Label. Helps me quite a bit when things get too serious.

Excellent point. It's more of a Jim Beam or Benchmark thing with me, but the winding down effect is pretty close, I'm sure.

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Maybe both Actor and Dale should learn the laid back style of The Villages - tempered with a little bit of Johnnie Walker Black Label. Helps me quite a bit when things get too serious.

I'll join you with a JWBlack. After all, if it was good enough for Churchill, it's good enough for me.

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I'm laying 50 to 1 that Rick Perry will not be the next President of the United States (as proposed by Richie in the title and his continuing rants).

Any takers? If not, why not just shut up and get on to more important discussions?

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Pompous

1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious:

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I'm laying 50 to 1 that Rick Perry will not be the next President of the United States (as proposed by Richie in the title and his continuing rants).

Any takers? If not, why not just shut up and get on to more important discussions?

At 50 to 1, I'll put up $100. Still game VK?

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Well guys from where I sit based on Obama's continuing dismissal performance the America voter would accept Brisol Palin as presidency rather than continue down this road to perdition:pepper2:

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... and Levi Johnson as the VP.

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I'm laying 50 to 1 that Rick Perry will not be the next President of the United States (as proposed by Richie in the title and his continuing rants).

Any takers? If not, why not just shut up and get on to more important discussions?

Do yourself a favor BK, and check out Texas' economic status. It'll blow your socks off how flush Texas is compared to the rest of the country. Gov. Perry has a lot to crow about when the campaign starts.

He'll be making stating his case in opposition of an economic failure of a President who claims he has nothing to do with the economy; it's still Bush's fault; the Republicans are stymying his efforts; the dog ate his homework; and he can't find a pen to sign anything.

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Do yourself a favor BK, and check out Texas' economic status. It'll blow your socks off how flush Texas is compared to the rest of the country....Yep, Texas has a state budget that's under water to the tune of about $20 billion in 2012 alone. I'll await Perry's plan on how to deal with that little problem without soliciting a lot of money from the federal government. Whether he does or doesn't, Texas is a long way from providing bragging rights for being "flush". A pattern of continuing to spend even when it's known that such spending is unaffordable and unsustainable isn't the greatest entry on the resumé of one running for President.

But like I said, I'll wait to see what Perry has to say when he begins to campaign for POTUS...that's IF he runs for President.

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Yep, Texas has a state budget that's under water to the tune of about $20 billion in 2012 alone. I'll await Perry's plan on how to deal with that little problem without soliciting a lot of money from the federal government. Whether he does or doesn't, Texas is a long way from providing bragging rights for being "flush". A pattern of continuing to spend even when it's known that such spending is unaffordable and unsustainable isn't the greatest entry on the resumé of one running for President.

But like I said, I'll wait to see what Perry has to say when he begins to campaign for POTUS...that's IF he runs for President.

Compared to other states Texas is in great shape. Liberal bastions like NY, Rl, CA and IL can only dream of having such a business uptick and similar liabilities. Credit should be given as credit is due.

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/050710-opinion-editorial-compared-other-states-lone-star-shines-strong

http://urbangrounds.com/2011/05/texas-jobs/

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/13/news/economy/california_texas_economy.fortune/index.htm

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43525

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I took you up on your offered wager. Are you going to reply?

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Compared to other states Texas is in great shape. Liberal bastions like NY, Rl, CA and IL can only dream of having such a business uptick and similar liabilities. Credit should be given as credit is due.

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/050710-opinion-editorial-compared-other-states-lone-star-shines-strong

http://urbangrounds.com/2011/05/texas-jobs/

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/13/news/economy/california_texas_economy.fortune/index.htm

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43525

Not so fast.... This became longer than planned...
Let's respect the personal strain running for office plays on the candidate and their family. I respect our current president and his predecessor. We live in difficult times. We need to support our leaders and not hope for our country's demise for political gain.

Everyone protects their vested interest and turf to protect. The congressmen from Iowa supports tax subsidies for ethanol. The senator from Michigan supported the auto loans. I don't see this guy or this party supporting my vested interests. His interests are big oil and big business. Big tax cuts for loss of services such as public safety, cutting tsunami warnings to folks on the coast need to be well thought out. Federal funding leads to cuts in your state and community. Hopefully we might learn more about his positions.

Jon Huntsman might be a better choice as he has more varied background as both a governor and ambassador. Perry has no experience in foreign policy.

I wouldn't quote Americans for Prosperity...FAR Right wing Koch funded anti-union mouthpiece. But I did find something later in this post. Not as bad as saying there are 57 states.
I think both George W and his mentoring student as VP, Rick Perry come across like something out of a John Wayne movie. You know the image of chopping wood and cutting brush on the ranch in Crawford. So the western boots are part of his image. Ok. His choice.
Texas was once an agrarian state. Today 6 of the largest 25 cities in the country are in Texas. Houston, Dallas, SanAntonio,Ft Worth, El Paso... From what I've read there is a technology center near Austin. Dell makes PCs in Red Rock. Petrochemical plants abound in Houston. I still envision miles of nothing from SanAntonio to ElPaso.

I really didn't know much about him other than he replaced GWB. Perry was a Texas A&M grad and was in the Air Force. After leaving the military worked in the cotton business with his father. He was elected to the Texas House as a Democrat. He was Al Gore's Texas campaign manager in the 88 primary. He switched parties in 89.Re won the Agriculture Commissioner seat, ran and won as the 1st Republican VP in 98. We succeeded GWB in 2000.
In 2010 he wrote a book called Fed Up! (didn't read it) in which he takes issue with the 16th Amendment which allows Congress to levy an income tax. He talks about state's' rights and keeping the money in the pocket of the taxpayer. He vehemently opposes gay rights and recognition of same sex marriages. He is pro life. He signed a bill that pregnant girls under 18 who decide on an abortion must notify their parents. He also believes that intelligent design should be taught alongside evolution. He supports the death penalty as Texas carried out 200 executions while he has been governor.He does not believe in climate change.He opposes greenhouse gas regulation. He did collaborate with T. Boone Pickens for alternative wind energy. I guess T.Boone has had a change of heart since. (It doesn't mean I disagree with all of these positions.)

He is a man of Christian faith. Two recent events were a state prayer service for rain in April. Since then fires in Texas and the southwest have worsened. He (Perry) tried. The Big Guy didn't intervene. Maybe it is climate change. Perry has also proposed and will host a Governor's prayer service this fall. Are these events sincere or to draw attention to himself and his campaign? GW relied on prayer and divine guidance too. I am not discounting this, but you need a plan of action and good advisors. Move quickly and decisively. Think Katrina and 911.
So Perry has been governor of Texas for 10 years. 26 years as a politician holding office since 1984. State rep, Ltnt. Gov, Agriculture Commissioner, and now Governor. He is the longest serving current governor in the nation. Another Texan, LBJ was a politician longer. So he's a lifer. For a party that wants less government that is a long time to be in government.
Some more stats...
The May Texas unemployment rate in May was 8%. Prior it was 7.7%. PA was 7.4, IL 8.9, NY 7.9,RI 10.9, MI 10.3. Texas ranked 23rd. Is that fantastic? Source Bureau of Labor Statistics http://www.bls.gov/lau/

On the AFP site he accepts the Boot Up Texas award in Minneapolis. He mentions some new online thing at the 2:30 mark in the video.Have any of you ever heard of Tweeter? Must be a teleprompter error. :) Maybe that Texas drawl? Or clueless. Who came up with that award? Why accept it in Minnesota? Why didn't they edit a gaffe?

25.4 % of state residents in Texas have a BA or higher, US average 27.5%, percent of population below poverty level in Texas 17.1%, US 14.3 (2009 stats) US Census Bureau This sounds like quite a few poor without much going for them.

How is Texas getting jobs? Port traffic, trade with Latin America, Oil and energy sector growth, and taxpayer funded incentives and subsidies to reel in businesses from other states. Two of the funds are the Texas Enterprise Fund
$412 million and $320 million with the Texas Emerging Technology Fund. Even if things are big in Texas that is a load of money. Maybe it was a good move. The question is will those businesses relocate again when the incentives run out?
One of his points of pride is job growth in Texas. Massachusetts had a higher rate.
More importantly, what kind of jobs are we talking about? Well Texas is tied with Mississippi with the largest percentage of workers on minimum wage. In 2007 Texas had 221,000 folks earning $7.25 an hour. Three years later 550,000 folks fit in that category. I know it is a big state, but that is a big jump.
A recent article in the WSJ praised Texas for job growth.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576375480710070472.html It didn't mention that the 2010 median hourly earnings per hour was $11.20 an hour while the US national average was $12.50.
As far as the budget being so great in Texas, he used the 2009 Recovery Act money to balance the budget. Not roads and infrastructure, money to schools, etc. At the same time he was touting no recovery act money and no government bailouts. Actually he didn't by himself. The legislature had to approve. We are talking about a $6.6 billion shortfall in 2010-2011 bailed out by $6.4 billion from the Recovery Act. They still have a $9.1 billion rainy day fund.

What do I think of him? He is a conservative Republican. Pro business. Not pro environment. No help for the average worker. Look how many folks earn low wages in Texas. It is tied for last place with Mississippi. Are these numbers distorted from low paying farm jobs? Or are adults trying to live on a wage of $1100 a month? Think of your adult children having a family with that kind of income. Imagine if their chid gets ill. Texas has one of the lowest rates of health insurance coverage. In 2007 the state of Texas ranked 50th in the nation with 25% of the population uninsured.The national average is 16%. Stats from Texas Medial Association.

Rick Perry should hide parts of his record. He better have good spin doctor. He will need them with the holes in his record. He runs a diverse state with climatic and environmental issues. Yet he stands behind big corporations at the expense of the average person. Hold your breath near the refineries. His state has a huge hispanic community. I know he proclaims no tax increases and less government. Yet he took the Recovery Act money. As a 51 year old male he has been in government over half of his life.
Regarding immigrants, what is the track record of controlling borders under his stewardship as governor?
I like the idea of less government waste and better efficiency. I want to see business flourish and folks keep decent paying jobs. I want to see affordable health insurance.
Maybe someone can shed light on how we would fund our country including our military with collecting income tax. Would there be a national sales tax and big business would pay their part through corporate tax?

American demographics have changed with an influx of Hispanics outnumbering the black population. White Americans are or close to being the minority. We don't see this living in a retirement community. The GOP better adapt or be left behind. A bad economy helps their chances. That is their best hope for 2012.

Finally, why do folks who want less government run if they don't like it? Then have to hire staff if elected. That creates more government.

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Way too much verbiage to seriously address. My short answer is I disagree with most all your assessments and your predictions. It's the Democrats who are out of touch, and that will become evident really quickly.

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Short and to the point, Richie. Blame the Democrats. Why not?

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Short and to the point, Richie. Blame the Democrats. Why not?

When in doubt, stick to the classics:)

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mitchbr47, I applaud you for the homework you did in creating this post. It was a lot of work and there is a great deal to agree with as well as a great deal to disagree with. You put so much out that I feel like I’m trying to contend with a broadside from the USS Missouri.

Let me start with your statement that Governor Perry is, “Not pro environment.” Have you ever met anyone who is anti environment, standing for polluted water, dirty air, the spreading of carcinogens, etc.? I have not and am sure neither you nor Governor Perry is in favor of this either. Is there climate change? Yes. Is it anthropogenic in nature? We do not know.

I realize that there are greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, cause many people who believe we are experiencing global warming and that it in particular. I also realize that there are many intelligent scientists that do not buy into this idea.

I can provide many sources that question the idea of anthropogenic global warming, but suggest we go with the metrics to prove or dispute this theory:

1. Myth, global polar sea ice is vanishing. Fact, global sea ice is essentially unchanged so long as we have been able to measure it. The opening of the Northwest Passage is nothing new. The Chinese under the leadership of Admiral Cheng Ho mapped the NW passages as well as the Atlantic coast of much of North and South America during the 15th Century.
2. Myth, global temperatures have been rising as a result of increased CO2. Fact, global temperatures decreased from the ‘40s to the ‘70s provoking concerns about a coming ice age, they then rose through the mid ‘90s provoking our current scare about AGW. In the last few years they have begun to fall again.
3. Myth, sea levels are rising and soon the sea will flood Manhattan, Shanghai and all major coastal cities. Fact, sea level is still rising but at a rate much slower than that observed in the last 500 years. Sea level is expected to rise in an interglacial period. We need to be truly concerned not with the rise of sea level, but with its fall. That would be the beginning of a new glacial period with solid sheets of ice 3 miles thick lying over the American Midwest.


http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpging new

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Way too much verbiage to seriously address. My short answer is I disagree with most all your assessments and your predictions. It's the Democrats who are out of touch, and that will become evident really quickly.Nothing like avoiding any specificity in favor of general broadbrush soundbite type analysis.

If that's the way you want to make your voting choices, Richie, I hope you're offset by others who think about who they'll vote for and why somewhat more deeply. The whole concept of simply declaring ones self of one political ideology or another doesn't seem to have served the country well in recent elections.

We've elected people who have said and promised things across a wide array of the political spectrum in the last twenty years or so. Only one that I can think of has delivered much of what was promised. But none of them have provided any kind of leadership that has re-galvanized the American spirit.

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Nothing like avoiding any specificity in favor of general broadbrush soundbite type analysis.

If that's the way you want to make your voting choices, Richie, I hope you're offset by others who think about who they'll vote for and why somewhat more deeply. The whole concept of simply declaring ones self of one political ideology or another doesn't seem to have served the country well in recent elections.

We've elected people who have said and promised things across a wide array of the political spectrum in the last twenty years or so. Only one that I can think of has delivered much of what was promised. But none of them have provided any kind of leadership that has re-galvanized the American spirit.


Again, you on your high horse. You are one self righteous piece of work.

I didn't delve into all the aspects of that humongous post because there was so much mis-information and wrong headed thinking in it, in my opinion, that I thought it ridiculous to try to debate every point made, if you must know the truth, and I just didn't have the motivation to attempt it.

BBQ took a great stab at that leviathan post and I commend him and agree with the environmental points he made, but I didn't want to take all the time necessary to answer and locate and post pertinent site links to back up what I say, all to have it be dismissed by those on their high horse, anyway.

The posts back and forth with Bugs was humor between friends. Take a chill pill big guy. It had nothing to do with anything serious. Just some common, run of the mill silliness.

And as far as your personal insulting comments alluding to a supposed lack of scholarship in my conclusions and my political ideology, I think you can take your overblown sense of superiority and "shove it". You get my drift?