New rules chip away at homeowners' rights

[The Shadow]

Associations will soon be able to block access to a development's amenities — the pool, community room or tennis court, for example — for any violation of a community law or rule. If owners paint houses the wrong color or tenants leave lawns untended, they could be cut off from their community perks following a board hearing.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-florida-hoa-law-20110624,0,6278773.story

[chuckster]

Since we aren't hoa's or condo assn's this is important because...........:popcorn:

[The Shadow]

Bill 530
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0530/BillText/c3/HTML

[ilovetv]

Bill 530
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0530/BillText/c3/HTML

Reading that, everyone ought to be able to see how legislators waste their time and our money to make sure more lawyers need to be hired, and more state bureaucrats have something to pretend they're working on.

[Tbugs]

Sounds good to me. Have to keep the place looking good - even if you are a landlord.

[Larry Wilson]

Agree with tbugs. I see more and more yards full of weeds. If this will make people take care of their yards, I'm all for it.

[angiefox10]

We want to live there because of the rules... Don't forget what it looks like outside of The Villages. Do you really want to go back?:clap2::clap2:

[ilovetv]

Reading that, everyone ought to be able to see how legislators waste their time and our money to make sure more lawyers need to be hired, and more state bureaucrats have something to pretend they're working on.

I need to clarify my post above. I like the rules too, because we have lived in neighborhoods where even with reasonable rules and restrictions, some homeowners absolutely refuse to comply with simple, low-cost rules that keep the place looking clean and not trashed with outlandish paint colors, gaudy driveway paint colors and junky yard ornaments. There are always neighbors who refuse to grow up enough to, for example, keep their trash in the garage until the night of pickup, or put it out in appropriate bagging or containers. It's like "You're not gonna tell ME what to do..." (like a 10-year-old kid told to take out the trash before taking off on his bike).

My previous post was a reaction to the endless legalese legislators belabor to put into such bills, to require something like a lien for non-payment of HOA fees.

TV is as beautiful as it is BECAUSE of the rules we have.

[Figmo Bohica]

We live in a county where there are no restrictions. We have what we call "Auto Scaping." Looking forward to living in a place where I DO NOT see weeds growing up through old cars, trash piled higher then the house and bring with people who take pride in where they live.

[graciegirl]

Shadow. I don't see where this has much to do with The Villages.

[Pturner]

Does the new law apply to TV, since we are governed by a CDD, not an HOA?

[mulligan]

Gracie, if you stood up and sang the star spangled banner, shadow would find something negative to say about it.

[The Shadow]

Gracie, if you stood up and sang the star spangled banner, shadow would find something negative to say about it.

I am sorry, I think I was the one singing and you are the ones finding it negative.

[zcaveman]

Shadow. I don't see where this has much to do with The Villages.

Recently the CDDs have been given the authority to fine people for not obeying the declarations.

I think that is a good thing. I have already seen residents in my village remove some statues, etc that were not in the deed restrictions. I assume they got fined or were told of the fines.

All The Shadow is doing is mentioning something that was in the newspaper. Maybe a warning to some of the people in TV that are not paying their amenity fees, etc.

As my father always said, it is always best to be forewarned.

Z

[kentucky blue]

Agree with tbugs. I see more and more yards full of weeds. If this will make people take care of their yards, I'm all for it.

Not only did i check all the homes on my cul-de-sac,i walked our entire Village, and did not find one home, that did not show the signs of pride of ownership.

[brostholder]

The title of the post is "New Rules Chip Away at Homeowners Rights". In my opinion, just the opposite is true. Before I moved to The Villages, I received my docs which told me very clearly what the rules were. When I purchased my CYY I was agreeing to follow the rules. If someone else chooses to ignore the rules, I am in favor of them losing their amenities until they do choose to follow the rules that they agreed to when they purchased. It is a powerful tool to get people to live up to their obligations.

[Russ_Boston]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-florida-hoa-law-20110624,0,6278773.story

Thanks for the good news Shadow. Not sure you thought it was good (your title of "chips away at homeowners rights" kind of says how you feel) but thanks.

[The Shadow]

Shadow. I don't see where this has much to do with The Villages.

Neighbors are more than the guy next door. Spruce Creek and Stone Crest are neighbors that have an affect on the property value of the area both have HOA.

[chuckster]

Now that's a stretch............... However I do agree with rules/covenants such as in tv to maintain properties.:popcorn:

[Bogie Shooter]

Neighbors are more than the guy next door. Spruce Creek and Stone Crest are neighbors that have an affect on the property value of the area both have HOA.

The Villages would survive with little change in property values if Spruce Creek & Stone Crest would disappear.

[Russ_Boston]

The Villages would survive with little change in property values if Spruce Creek & Stone Crest would disappear.

Our values might actually increase with less competition:)

[The Shadow]

Our values might actually increase with less competition:)

Russ,
I understand what you are getting at but I do not think TV has any true competition as far as what it has to offer. Competition in price, yes but you get what you pay for. In TV pre owned homes, the last I heard were sell at about 100/mo. Not the case with the neighbors.

[Donna]

:agree: TV is a beautiful place to live, our obligations as owners, keep TV looking like paradise!! I have no complaints!!
I stay here part time, and my property remains maintained all year long...Imagine if these rules weren't in place, and people left for any length of time...OMG, it would look like a war zone...

Not only did i check all the homes on my cul-de-sac,i walked our entire Village, and did not find one home, that did not show the signs of pride of ownership.

[cabo35]

Who could the nom de plume "Shadow" be cover for. Hmmmmm......stealth Villages bashing under the banner of contrived shocking revelation? Gratuitous negative attacks on Morse and his family by sinister, anonymous innuendo cloaked in all the subtlety of a sledgehammer? A clear bias to perpetuate negative criticism?

Hmmmmm could it be.......... a columnist for the Orlando Sentinel?

Idle hands of the devil's workshop?

A self ordained champion of truth, Justice and the American way.....and the conscious of The Villages?

A clandestine Lake Weir operative?

A disgruntled Spruce Creek or Stone Crester?

Yes, yes.........it's getting clearer.........I believe I have it.

Go GG..........I believe you have it. I think I got it from you ......and your insightful posts, that is.

Go Shadow.......how dull would life be without pessimistic, contrarian views to fire up the glass half fullers.....like me.

Like most Villagers, I spent my working years fighting the battles that were necessary. I raised my family and served my country. I am content to read a "good news" newspaper and dismiss any input that does not please me. I accept that the developer is not perfect, but he has done significantly more good than evil. Just look around you. All indications suggest that he will keep that balance in the future, the naysayers and pessimists notwithstanding..

At this stage of life, I have earned the right, and am content, to dismiss circumstances that irritate me. Compared to traumatic life's experiences we have all suffered and endured....they are ships that pass in the night and are not really important. Health is important. Happiness is important. Love is important. I consider myself fortunate to be able to bounce out of bed in the morining....and take on whatever wonderful adventure The Villages lifestyle has in store. I actually have compassion for those who take vicarious comfort by bringing unsolicited clouds and rain into the lives of others. I do respect their right to do so as long as subscription is voluntary.

Have a good day in The Villages.

[The Shadow]

Would this be an instrument of rule enforcement that could be utilized to good advantage in TV?

A New Hampshire apartment complex is mandating that residents submit pet DNA samples.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-27/us/new.hampshire.dog.dna_1_biopet-vet-lab-pooprints-dna-analysis?_s=PM:US

[katezbox]

Would this be an instrument of rule enforcement that could be utilized to good advantage in TV?


http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-27/us/new.hampshire.dog.dna_1_biopet-vet-lab-pooprints-dna-analysis?_s=PM:US

This is an apartment complex - you can't force people from homes they own. And in New Hampshire, arguable the most libertarian on the NE states - with a motto "Live Free or Die", I am thinking this won't "live" for long.

Shadow we could worry about every little thing that could affect the value of our property. Or we could just go with the flow and enjoy life. I opt for the latter.

k

[BobKat1]

The New Hampshire apartment complex story = Tempest in a teapot and soon forgotten....IMHO of course.

[Trish Crocker]

As a realtor for the past 20 years, I have had many clients that absolutely refuse to live in a condo or neighborhood that has an association because they can't stand the thought of living by 'rules'. In my opinion, that is their right, if you don't want to abide by the bylaws, DON'T buy there!! If you purchase a home in an area that has any type of association rules, you, by purchasing, have agreed to live with them. It really annoys me when someone knowingly buys into an area with restrictions then complains about them!! I'm looking forward to living in an area that has people who care about their neighborhood.

[BobKat1]

As a realtor for the past 20 years, I have had many clients that absolutely refuse to live in a condo or neighborhood that has an association because they can't stand the thought of living by 'rules'. In my opinion, that is their right, if you don't want to abide by the bylaws, DON'T buy there!! If you purchase a home in an area that has any type of association rules, you, by purchasing, have agreed to live with them. It really annoys me when someone knowingly buys into an area with restrictions then complains about them!! I'm looking forward to living in an area that has people who care about their neighborhood.

Well said.

[katezbox]

As a realtor for the past 20 years, I have had many clients that absolutely refuse to live in a condo or neighborhood that has an association because they can't stand the thought of living by 'rules'. In my opinion, that is their right, if you don't want to abide by the bylaws, DON'T buy there!! If you purchase a home in an area that has any type of association rules, you, by purchasing, have agreed to live with them. It really annoys me when someone knowingly buys into an area with restrictions then complains about them!! I'm looking forward to living in an area that has people who care about their neighborhood.

:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[duffysmom]

Shadow, come out of the dark and into the light and have a beautiful day in The Villages.:thumbup:

[Challenger]

As a realtor for the past 20 years, I have had many clients that absolutely refuse to live in a condo or neighborhood that has an association because they can't stand the thought of living by 'rules'. In my opinion, that is their right, if you don't want to abide by the bylaws, DON'T buy there!! If you purchase a home in an area that has any type of association rules, you, by purchasing, have agreed to live with them. It really annoys me when someone knowingly buys into an area with restrictions then complains about them!! I'm looking forward to living in an area that has people who care about their neighborhood.

well said. "Good fences make good neighbors" from Mending Wall by Robert Frost. ------"Good rules make good neighborhoods" from Experience by Challenger

[The Shadow]

Shadow, come out of the dark and into the light and have a beautiful day in The Villages.:thumbup:

You can not have a shadow in the dark, the brighter the light the more defined the shadow.

Tell Duffy I said Hi. :doggie: