Jimmy Carter vs. Barack Obama; way too similar

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Laura Ingraham put together this clip of Obama channeling one of our nations biggest failures as President. The inimitable Jimmy Carter. History has a way of repeating itself, doesn't' it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWAdt07XPgY

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That's scarier than a Steven King movie

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Will this be playing in all 57 states?

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so, are "they" going to keep throwing this $#!+ up against the wall until it sticks?

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so, are "they" going to keep throwing this $#!+ up against the wall until it sticks?

What's a $#!+?

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What's a $#!+?

lol... :cool:

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Laura Ingraham put together this clip of Obama channeling one of our nations biggest failures as President. The inimitable Jimmy Carter. History has a way of repeating itself, doesn't' it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWAdt07XPgY

Jimmy Carter must be very happy. He has finally been replaced as the country's worst president. (This is where the Liberals say "what about Bush?")

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Vote Obama in '12.

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THIS is the man we elected to be our President. A man with NO...NADA...leadership ability or experience and it has shown itself month after month of his Presidency. He has lied on about every issue, including his "landmark" health care bill, something we dont talk about much right now but will be an anchor on this country for many many years, a bill conceived in secrecy and payoffs.

An OPINION piece to be sure, but one that hits the ball out of the park...

"Is Obama a pathological liar?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/24/curl-is-obama-a-pathological-liar/

A piece from the article...

"In the weird world that is Washington, men and women say things daily, hourly, even minutely, that they know deep down are simply not true. Inside the Beltway, we all call those utterances “rhetoric.”

But across the rest of the country, plain ol’ folk call ‘em lies. Bald-faced (even bold-faced) lies. Those folks have a tried-and-true way of determining a lie: If you know what you’re saying is patently false, then it’s a lie. Simple.

And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.

His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies."

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THIS is the man we elected to be our President. A man with NO...NADA...leadership ability or experience and it has shown itself month after month of his Presidency. He has lied on about every issue, including his "landmark" health care bill, something we dont talk about much right now but will be an anchor on this country for many many years, a bill conceived in secrecy and payoffs.

An OPINION piece to be sure, but one that hits the ball out of the park...

"Is Obama a pathological liar?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/24/curl-is-obama-a-pathological-liar/

A piece from the article...

"In the weird world that is Washington, men and women say things daily, hourly, even minutely, that they know deep down are simply not true. Inside the Beltway, we all call those utterances “rhetoric.”

But across the rest of the country, plain ol’ folk call ‘em lies. Bald-faced (even bold-faced) lies. Those folks have a tried-and-true way of determining a lie: If you know what you’re saying is patently false, then it’s a lie. Simple.

And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.

His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies."

a right wing rag. Did they do an article about Bush's lies about WMD that got us into a war that cost thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars? Any "lies" that Obama may be guilty of pale in comparison to those told by the Bush-Chaney gang.

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a right wing rag. Did they do an article about Bush's lies about WMD that got us into a war that cost thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars?

I sure dont know...many did over the years.

Guess we would have to check the old archives to see as it was almost a DECADE ago, ! Just not sure what that little venture would get anybody, but someday bringing up George Bush all the time is going to wear thin.

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I sure dont know...many did over the years.

Guess we would have to check the old archives to see as it was almost a DECADE ago, ! Just not sure what that little venture would get anybody, but someday bringing up George Bush all the time is going to wear thin.

as someone bringing up Jimmy Carter.

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as someone bringing up Jimmy Carter.

Something never change around here.

Criticize this president and if not called a racist, you can count on Bush's name being brought up and the source will be called a right wing rag. These are ALWAYS the response.

Could have been interesting to discuss the CONTENTS of the article but folks like yourself who blindly follow whatever this man says, will never change.

A lost cause. Obama good...everything and everyone else bad. I got it...do not criticize this guy...he is above it no matter what he is telling you and how untrue.

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Something never change around here.

Criticize this president and if not called a racist, you can count on Bush's name being brought up and the source will be called a right wing rag. These are ALWAYS the response.

Could have been interesting to discuss the CONTENTS of the article but folks like yourself who blindly follow whatever this man says, will never change.

A lost cause. Obama good...everything and everyone else bad. I got it...do not criticize this guy...he is above it no matter what he is telling you and how untrue.

blindly follow the man, or support all his positions. Unfortunately there are those like yourself who blindly follow his detractors. Just trying to add a little balance to a forum dominated by those who think anyone who attacks the president is worthy of their support.

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a right wing rag. Did they do an article about Bush's lies about WMD that got us into a war that cost thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars? Any "lies" that Obama may be guilty of pale in comparison to those told by the Bush-Chaney gang.

So, tell us again who voted for the war? You guys tell that worn out lie so much, you think people will start to believe it. Obama is a liar. Plain and simple.

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I sure dont know...many did over the years.

Guess we would have to check the old archives to see as it was almost a DECADE ago, ! Just not sure what that little venture would get anybody, but someday bringing up George Bush all the time is going to wear thin.

Actor is in love, and love means never having to say you're sorry:)

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Actor is in love, and love means never having to say you're sorry:)

remember?

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Something never change around here.

Criticize this president and if not called a racist, you can count on Bush's name being brought up and the source will be called a right wing rag. These are ALWAYS the response.

Could have been interesting to discuss the CONTENTS of the article but folks like yourself who blindly follow whatever this man says, will never change.

A lost cause. Obama good...everything and everyone else bad. I got it...do not criticize this guy...he is above it no matter what he is telling you and how untrue.

how do you discuss Obama's performance in office without bringing up Bush? Obama was left with a bigger mess by his predecessor than any president in modern times except for possibly FDR. Two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts to the wealthiest 1-2 percent, unfunded and politically motivated Medicare Part D- a gift to the pharmaceutical industry- a near total collapse of the credit markets, lowest consumer confidence in a generation, etc. What did you expect Obama to do, wave a wand and make everything good again?

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how do you discuss Obama's performance in office without bringing up Bush? Obama was left with a bigger mess by his predecessor than any president in modern times except for possibly FDR. Two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts to the wealthiest 1-2 percent, unfunded and politically motivated Medicare Part D- a gift to the pharmaceutical industry- a near total collapse of the credit markets, lowest consumer confidence in a generation, etc. What did you expect Obama to do, wave a wand and make everything good again?

We were discussing his lying and lack of leadership !!!!

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We were discussing his lying and lack of leadership !!!!

once you get in office due to changing circumstances or new realities is a lie? Name me a president who hasn't done so. That's a far cry from an outright lie that brought us into a costly war.

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once you get in office due to changing circumstances or new realities is a lie? Name me a president who hasn't done so. That's a far cry from an outright lie that brought us into a costly war.

You are quite the character,...the party must be so proud.

Why dont you discuss each issue...I talked about the lying on the healthcare in my post.....was that a result of changing circumstances ?

I talked about his total VOID of leadership in almost all issues...is that a result of changing circumstances ?

I anticipate how Bush made him lie or Bush took away his leadership or barring that, the Republican party but in no way is it his fault....we understand where you stand on that.....

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You are quite the character,...the party must be so proud.

Why dont you discuss each issue...I talked about the lying on the healthcare in my post.....was that a result of changing circumstances ?

I talked about his total VOID of leadership in almost all issues...is that a result of changing circumstances ?

I anticipate how Bush made him lie or Bush took away his leadership or barring that, the Republican party but in no way is it his fault....we understand where you stand on that.....

I reject the idea that he lied about healthcare. Just because it's in an article that you read in a totally biased publication does not make it so. There was a lot of behind the scenes horse trading in the healthcare debate that neither you nor I are privy to. Political leadership is often exerted behind closed doors. It's easy to take pot shots when all the facts are not available.

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I reject the idea that he lied about healthcare. Just because it's in an article that you read in a totally biased publication does not make it so. There was a lot of behind the scenes horse trading in the healthcare debate that neither you nor I are privy to. Political leadership is often exerted behind closed doors. It's easy to take pot shots when all the facts are not available.

I must have totally misunderstood the OFT REPEATED promise of an open debate on that issue ! I must have misunderstood the "politics will not enter into it" comments. I also misunderstand what even the left wing press acknowledges about the back room deals that he made in order to swing those in HIS PARTY who opposed it.

Then, I misunderstood all the polls that showed the majority of americans to be against it.

You are certainly correct........I have no facts and am way off base here.

You keep this up and I may join you in promoting him to King, and will defend him on every issue as you do. Obviously, I unlike you, thought he was fallible ! And here he is just misunderstood !

You make a very serious misjudgement when you keep saying and insinuating that everyone who criticizes your hero is a Republican, or a Bush lover..I suppose that makes you feel comfortable but I can assure you from my perspective it isnt close.

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Yes, Obama is hated by members of all parties. He is a socialist who does not really care about the working stiff. Where are all the jobs?

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I must have totally misunderstood the OFT REPEATED promise of an open debate on that issue ! I must have misunderstood the "politics will not enter into it" comments. I also misunderstand what even the left wing press acknowledges about the back room deals that he made in order to swing those in HIS PARTY who opposed it.

Then, I misunderstood all the polls that showed the majority of americans to be against it.

You are certainly correct........I have no facts and am way off base here.

You keep this up and I may join you in promoting him to King, and will defend him on every issue as you do. Obviously, I unlike you, thought he was fallible ! And here he is just misunderstood !

You make a very serious misjudgement when you keep saying and insinuating that everyone who criticizes your hero is a Republican, or a Bush lover..I suppose that makes you feel comfortable but I can assure you from my perspective it isnt close.

a great deal that Obama made backroom political deals to push through a law that gives healthcare coverage to uninsured citizens, prohibits insurance companies from excluding beneficiaries based on pre-existing conditions, etc, and lowers the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years-CBO estimate-. If you only support programs that did not involve backroom deals, that leaves very little legislation that you support. BTW, LBJ had to twist a lot of arms and make backroom political deals to get Medicare approved. Are you on Medicare? Also, read up a little on how Bush pushed through Medicare Part D in the middle of the night, and the deals that were made to get that approved.

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Yes, Obama is hated by members of all parties. He is a socialist who does not really care about the working stiff. Where are all the jobs?

what a socialist is? You know it's very difficult not to get personal on this forum when you are faced with posters like you.

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what a socialist is? You know it's very difficult not to get personal on this forum when you are faced with moronic posters like yourself.

Typical left-leaning party responses. Berate the people that do not agree with you. I have read many threads here and you are the most insulting individual here. You would be banned on many forums. You are disrespectful.

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a great deal that Obama made backroom political deals to push through a law that gives healthcare coverage to uninsured citizens, prohibits insurance companies from excluding beneficiaries based on pre-existing conditions, etc, and lowers the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years-CBO estimate-. If you only support programs that did not involve backroom deals, that leaves very little legislation that you support. BTW, LBJ had to twist a lot of arms and make backroom political deals to get Medicare approved. Are you on Medicare? Also, read up a little on how Bush pushed through Medicare Part D in the middle of the night, and the deals that were made to get that approved.

YEP....because he had to do what he did...paying off folks simply because straight up he didnt have the votes for this total trainwreck of a bill EVEN AMONG HIS OWN PARTY. This bill, and you can write it down, is going to be an albatross around all our necks for some time. Yep, also because it was the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he said over and over again that he would do, AND he did despite most americans being opposed. We see a bit of the irony as people are backing away in droves even those who originally supported him on it.

And please cease and desist on the Bush rhetoric. I am not, nor ever been a Bush supporter and you actually weaken and cheapen everything you say when you say that stuff. You sound like lad on the playground with the constant harping on Bush. He has been gone for over THREE YEARS and if you mean to say that Obama can lie about issues because Bush did, then we have a far more serious problem AND THAT IS WHAT YOU IMPLY....by always saying Bush did it...or something to that affect.

I have been criticizing this man...Obama....since well before he was even the candidate so it is not sour grapes. Search just this forum and you will find that to be the truth so this is not some party hack. He never had what it takes to fill this job and he is gettting worse. I am not a "johnny come lately" and jumping on the pile on Obama..I called him not capable before he was even a serious threat for the candidacy.

This is not a referendum on Bush...it is on Obama.....he has been in the Oval office for over 3 years now. He has not surpised me on bit on how he has acted. He never had any leadership positions, had no leadership skills and has never done much in his life but TALK. He is a very smart man and very articulate but he had none of his own ideas and floats around trying to satisfy folks.

He had many chances to show leadership and we have mentioned the health bill...that was one. He chose TO IGNORE the majority of americans who opposed it...he chose TO IGNORE the majority of politicians, even in his own party, who opposed it. He chose TO IGNORE the chance to have a viable public debate on the subject.

Again, understand, I am not posting here to set up 2012...I have been posting anti Obama on here, as I said WELL BEFORE he was even the candidate...when it looked like Clinton would be the nominee.

I invite you to read about this President...read his autobiographies (TWO of them and they even differ)...read about his time in Chicago.what he said..what he did (most times different)...WHO he was associated with at the time which is what made up the man.

His non decisive positions on things will not surprise anyone who has read his background

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Typical left-leaning party responses. Berate the people that do not agree with you. I have read many threads here and you are the most insulting individual here. You would be banned on many forums. You are disrespectful.

on this forum a long time ago, and it was not my doing. I'll make a deal with you, I won't respond to a thing you post anymore. It won't be difficult since nothing you've posted to date is worthy of a serious response.

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YEP....because he had to do what he did...paying off folks simply because straight up he didnt have the votes for this total trainwreck of a bill EVEN AMONG HIS OWN PARTY. This bill, and you can write it down, is going to be an albatross around all our necks for some time. Yep, also because it was the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he said over and over again that he would do, AND he did despite most americans being opposed. We see a bit of the irony as people are backing away in droves even those who originally supported him on it.

And please cease and desist on the Bush rhetoric. I am not, nor ever been a Bush supporter and you actually weaken and cheapen everything you say when you say that stuff. You sound like lad on the playground with the constant harping on Bush. He has been gone for over THREE YEARS and if you mean to say that Obama can lie about issues because Bush did, then we have a far more serious problem AND THAT IS WHAT YOU IMPLY....by always saying Bush did it...or something to that affect.

I have been criticizing this man...Obama....since well before he was even the candidate so it is not sour grapes. Search just this forum and you will find that to be the truth so this is not some party hack. He never had what it takes to fill this job and he is gettting worse. I am not a "johnny come lately" and jumping on the pile on Obama..I called him not capable before he was even a serious threat for the candidacy.

This is not a referendum on Bush...it is on Obama.....he has been in the Oval office for over 3 years now. He has not surpised me on bit on how he has acted. He never had any leadership positions, had no leadership skills and has never done much in his life but TALK. He is a very smart man and very articulate but he had none of his own ideas and floats around trying to satisfy folks.

He had many chances to show leadership and we have mentioned the health bill...that was one. He chose TO IGNORE the majority of americans who opposed it...he chose TO IGNORE the majority of politicians, even in his own party, who opposed it. He chose TO IGNORE the chance to have a viable public debate on the subject.

Again, understand, I am not posting here to set up 2012...I have been posting anti Obama on here, as I said WELL BEFORE he was even the candidate...when it looked like Clinton would be the nominee.

I invite you to read about this President...read his autobiographies (TWO of them and they even differ)...read about his time in Chicago.what he said..what he did (most times different)...WHO he was associated with at the time which is what made up the man.

His non decisive positions on things will not surprise anyone who has read his background

points and are certainly entitled to your feelings about the president. BTW, by bringing up Bush and his failures as a leader, I feel that I am pointing out the hypocrisy that runs rampant on this forum. They are quick to identify things about Obama that they were only too happy to ignore in previous administrations. One thing you have to admit. It takes courage to push through legislation that as you indicate most Americans were opposed to. How many political leaders have we had that would stick their fingers in the air, and base every decision on what was at the moment the popular thing to do? BTW, Obama's healthcare bill, as you know, is pretty much the same as the one advocated by then Governor Romney who may very well be his opponent in 2012. I'll be curious to see how Mitt Romney explains this in the campaign.

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lol... :cool:

What's lol?:D

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points and are certainly entitled to your feelings about the president. BTW, by bringing up Bush and his failures as a leader, I feel that I am pointing out the hypocrisy that runs rampant on this forum. They are quick to identify things about Obama that they were only too happy to ignore in previous administrations. One thing you have to admit. It takes courage to push through legislation that as you indicate most Americans were opposed to. How many political leaders have we had that would stick their fingers in the air, and base every decision on what was at the moment the popular thing to do? BTW, Obama's healthcare bill, as you know, is pretty much the same as the one advocated by then Governor Romney who may very well be his opponent in 2012. I'll be curious to see how Mitt Romney explains this in the campaign.


"It takes courage to push through legislation that as you indicate most Americans were opposed to."

You keep reading what you posted above and tell me what is wrong with THAT picture.

There were differences between Obama's and Romney's....the most glaring to me is one was a STATE law and the other for the ENTIRE COUNTRY...that is a HUGE difference,

But as you said..it takes guts to push something through that Amerians did not want !

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"It takes courage to push through legislation that as you indicate most Americans were opposed to."

You keep reading what you posted above and tell me what is wrong with THAT picture.

There were differences between Obama's and Romney's....the most glaring to me is one was a STATE law and the other for the ENTIRE COUNTRY...that is a HUGE difference,

But as you said..it takes guts to push something through that Amerians did not want !

sometimes things that appear unpopular to begin with, end up being very successful. Up until the 1980's and even beyond that, it was the goal of most Republicans, especially RR, to kill Medicare. Now Medicare is hugely popular. And yes, Romney will have a difficult time explaining why a program he pushed through in Mass is not a good thing for the rest of the country.

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OK...got a deal. I bet your not that arrogant in person. I bet you hide behind that computer like a coward. Yup, that is what I bet.

guy. Oops, I promised not to respond to you. My bad.

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guy. Oops, I promised not to respond to you. My bad.

don't go around calling people morons and stupid. I think we all should try to "talk" to people here like your actually looking that person in their eyes.

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don't go around calling people morons and stupid. I think we all should try to "talk" to people here like your actually looking that person in their eyes.

we can all use a little more civility on this forum. I'll be the first to admit that I'm guilty of overreacting.

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1-Mitt Romney is not a viable option for the presidential candidacy for any person who is truly a conservative.
2~Medicare is hugely popular?!?! With whom is it popular and for what reason do the "whom's" think that it is popular? My mother-in-law has blood work done every month with the bill being over $200 and Medicare only pays the lab $11. She is of the generation that was happy to go with the "Medicare in my future" plan/social experiment. However, she is not far gone enough to wonder how the lab can afford to remain in operation with that piddly reimbursement. A physician friend of mine lost close to 20% of his annual revenue at his family practice office just because of reductions in reimbursement. How can he afford to take on anymore Medicare patients! He is not an extravagant man either! Also, I have paid into the Medicare system all my working life, but I would have preferred to been able to keep my money and tried my own "XXX in my future" plan/experiment. But that freedom to choose was taken from me long before I ever got my first job. Anyway, I am a little confused how the blanket statement can be made about the popularity of Medicare...."cool:

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What's lol?:D

LMAO...:cool:

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1-Mitt Romney is not a viable option for the presidential candidacy for any person who is truly a conservative.
2~Medicare is hugely popular?!?! With whom is it popular and for what reason do the "whom's" think that it is popular? My mother-in-law has blood work done every month with the bill being over $200 and Medicare only pays the lab $11. She is of the generation that was happy to go with the "Medicare in my future" plan/social experiment. However, she is not far gone enough to wonder how the lab can afford to remain in operation with that piddly reimbursement. A physician friend of mine lost close to 20% of his annual revenue at his family practice office just because of reductions in reimbursement. How can he afford to take on anymore Medicare patients! He is not an extravagant man either! Also, I have paid into the Medicare system all my working life, but I would have preferred to been able to keep my money and tried my own "XXX in my future" plan/experiment. But that freedom to choose was taken from me long before I ever got my first job. Anyway, I am a little confused how the blanket statement can be made about the popularity of Medicare...."cool:

when politicians talk about cutting Medicare. Seniors go through the roof.

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Katz: Here's an ugly secret that not too many people know. Insurance companies pay a FRACTION of what "Joe off the street" pays for every medical procedure. They negotiate with the hospitals and clinics to get the best rate possible which is an enormous discount from the "list price". Medicare, as far as I know, sets their price largely based on what those negotiated rates are.

For a continuing problem I had, each ER visit would "cost" $2500 or more (typically 2-4 attack per year). My insurance company paid nowhere near that. When the same thing hit me in Montreal while on vacation, I saw the FULL 'retail' bill was $550. (I paid $50 and my insurance paid the rest)

I learned about these 'negotiated rates' while working at Boston's Beth Israel Hospital. Just to give you an idea of what was going on - in the mid 1990s, as everyone is complaining about rising insurance rates, most insurance companies were lowering what they paid the hospital for inpatient admissions. We HAD been getting $1600/day and the next year many companies came in at $1200/day (looked suspiciously like collusion).

Yes - they paid by the day NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES YOU HAD DONE OE HOW MANY!!!

So the insurance companies were hiking their rates while paying us less. Guess where the extra money went. (Hint: The people who own the insurance company)

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Katz: Here's an ugly secret that not too many people know. Insurance companies pay a FRACTION of what "Joe off the street" pays for every medical procedure. They negotiate with the hospitals and clinics to get the best rate possible which is an enormous discount from the "list price". Medicare, as far as I know, sets their price largely based on what those negotiated rates are.

For a continuing problem I had, each ER visit would "cost" $2500 or more (typically 2-4 attack per year). My insurance company paid nowhere near that. When the same thing hit me in Montreal while on vacation, I saw the FULL 'retail' bill was $550. (I paid $50 and my insurance paid the rest)

I learned about these 'negotiated rates' while working at Boston's Beth Israel Hospital. Just to give you an idea of what was going on - in the mid 1990s, as everyone is complaining about rising insurance rates, most insurance companies were lowering what they paid the hospital for inpatient admissions. We HAD been getting $1600/day and the next year many companies came in at $1200/day (looked suspiciously like collusion).

Yes - they paid by the day NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES YOU HAD DONE OE HOW MANY!!!

So the insurance companies were hiking their rates while paying us less. Guess where the extra money went. (Hint: The people who own the insurance company)



Where do I start...? :posting: I have worked in the healthcare field for 36 years, been an x-ray, CT, and MRI technologist, director of an outpatient imaging center, and currently manage 40 employees in the departments of CT, MRI, Ultrasound, Nuclear Medicine and PET/CT. For the last 10 years I have overseen budgets in the millions and ensured patient satisfaction in numerous settings.
Having said that, I feel I have laid some ground work to be able to speak with a smidgen of authority and experience on certain matters...First of all I think that you have it backwards about who sets the price. Medicare sets the price that they are going to pay, no questions asked. We take a beating on the reimbursement that they give. If we only got what CMS (Medicare) deems proper, we would never be able to afford the purchase let along maintenance of the cutting edge technology that we use to SAVE lives.
It is set up that we should charge for what we use even tho CMS is not going to reimburse. Every several years, CMS will take these charges into account and MAYBE change their minds and pay us a little more. So Medicare sets the bar and we cannot negotiate that reimbursement. On the other hand, hospitals and insurance companies negotiate in and attempt to keep cost down by "bulk purchasing". The average CMS reimbursement for an MRI without IV contrast is about $250. The charge is about $2500 and the average payment made by insurance companies is $1600.
The average MRI scanner costs approx 2million dollars and maintnance fee is about $15,000-20,000/month. The average MRI tech (highly skilled, intelligent person-it's not just a video game we are playing) makes about $28/hr with approx $7/hr for benefits. A scan without contrast takes 45minutes so the facility can do about 20 exams/day...are you getting the drift? Insurance companies are the big bad horrible greedy companies that are still helping us out to be able to afford to help the American population prolong their happy lives.
Montreal? Dare we ever compare what goes on in the USA with what goes on in Canada in the healthcare arena?!?! I live in the Detroit/Toledo area, and as of 10 years ago there are more MRI scanners in my town than in the whole of Canada. We could and still can get a person in TODAY for the same exam that would have a waiting time of 6months to one year in Canada! I know, because we serve the overflow of Canadians that can afford to come here to have life savings measures done in a timely manner. You might have to just trust me on these facts...again, I refer to my experience, but you be the judge.
PAY BY THE DAY NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE...Yes this is another CMS mandated reimbursement protocol. It is called a DRG=Diagnosis related group. That means that is Mr. Jones comes into the hospital to have his Gall bladder removed and happens to mention that he has been having some neurological problems, like vertigo, ...guess what...His doctor decides that he needs an MRI to check for an acoustic neuroma. So, we bring him down and take the scan-Free of Charge! These free exams can take up about 15% of our workday, so go back and do the math to see the money we lose per day per month per year, etc,etc,etc.
It gets even better...with the advent of ObamaCare, the amount we are going to be paid as of July 1, 2011, will be determined by our HCAHPS Satisfaction scores! In order to get paid the full amount, 99% of the people surveyed need to answer ALWAYS to the questions that they are asked. (In the case of Mr. Jones, he could potentially complain that he had to wait til the evening to have his MRI. An MRI that could have waited until he recovered from his GB surgery and he could have returned @ his convenience). In the case of the university hospital that I work at, it has been nationally determined that if you come to our facility, you have TWICE the chance of surviving vs any other university hospital in the nation! That is the ULTIMATE SATISFACTION as far as I can tell...
Tell me what survey you have ever filled out in which you gave the place in question perfect scores across the board.
Our politicians made these rules. Maybe we should pay them according to their satisfaction ratings...hmmm, pretty sure it isn't anywhere near 99%. Think of the money we could save! We may have found a way to put a dent in the current deficit in DC!
Off my soap box for now...Oh, I failed to mention that if we provide a service to a person who has no insurance but doesn't qualify for Medicaid/Medicare, and we charged them something less than the CMS rate, it is considered Medicare fraud!...Ok, I'm done for now. :cool:

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I'm not being sarcastic with this question.. Do you have any insight on how Medicare determines what prices they'll pay? I know in some cases it seems like it comes "out of a hat" but I beleive there is a review of SOME kind.

The "more MRI scanners in City X than Canada" isn't nearly as true as it used to be. The count for Canada is 222 as of June 2010 and the US has 7950 as of July 2010 (latest figures from NumberOf.net). Canada has 1/10th our population so a more accurate, adjusted comparison would say 222 to about 800. Now, other surveys say that doctors who own their own MRIs order 4 times as many MRIs as doctors who don't, but there's controversy in how those numbers were attained.

Don't get me started on DRG days... How a doctor handled my grandmother concerning DRG days should have been criminal - but that's a story for another time.

But more than anything else, let me say a sincere THANK YOU for taking the time to write what you did.

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the subject of the thread was Obama VS Carter ....not ones opinion of the credibility or not of the media involved. What we used to call a "lateral arabesque" ....a more polite way of stating BS!!!!!

How about an opinion on the subject presented....Obama VS Carter.

In my humble opinion, on the subject of the thread, Obama makes Carter look good!! Carter was a wishy washy, take no risks and offend no one president....and acted that way. And there were times one felt some of what he did was for the good of the country.

Obama is a wishy washy, takes no risks and offend none president...but TALKS as if he isn't/wasn't. And there is nothing we have seen this president do that is for the good of the country.

Subject....CARTER VS OBAMA!!!!

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Carter was ineffective and weak. Obama is very dangerous. Bailouts, Obamacare etc. is shaping the USA's future.

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the subject of the thread was Obama VS Carter ....not ones opinion of the credibility or not of the media involved. What we used to call a "lateral arabesque" ....a more polite way of stating BS!!!!!

How about an opinion on the subject presented....Obama VS Carter.

In my humble opinion, on the subject of the thread, Obama makes Carter look good!! Carter was a wishy washy, take no risks and offend no one president....and acted that way. And there were times one felt some of what he did was for the good of the country.

Obama is a wishy washy, takes no risks and offend none president...but TALKS as if he isn't/wasn't. And there is nothing we have seen this president do that is for the good of the country.

Subject....CARTER VS OBAMA!!!!

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who ordered the strike that took out Bin Laden? Former defense secretary Bob Gates, a Republican appointed to the cabinet by President Bush, called Obama's decision to go into Pakistan and get Bin Laden the gutsiest decision he's ever seen by any president. Is that the wishy washy,take no risk president you are refering to?

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Clandestine missions are carried out every day that the public will never be privy to. If the mission had failed the public might never know. So, there really was no risk. Although it would have been nice if Clinton had given an order when they had him in their sites. Then 9-11 would never have happened.

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Clandestine missions are carried out every day that the public will never be privy to. If the mission had failed the public might never know. So, there really was no risk. Although it would have been nice if Clinton had given an order when they had him in their sites. Then 9-11 would never have happened.

these decisions and how these missions are carried out than the former Secretary of Defense? Seems logical to me.

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these decisions and how these missions are carried out than the former Secretary of Defense? Seems logical to me.

I'm telling you that if the mission failed, nobody would have known. I know for a fact that many things happen in the military that stays in the military. Do you really think the mainstream media would dig into their idol's failures?

I'm willing to bet that if it was a failure and it became known, he would blame someone else, like he does with all his failures.

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I'm telling you that if the mission failed, nobody would have known. I know for a fact that many things happen in the military that stays in the military. Do you really think the mainstream media would dig into their idol's failures?

I'm willing to bet that if it was a failure and it became known, he would blame someone else, like he does with all his failures.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't give the President any credit for getting Bin Laden. You remind me of another conservative poster who was clearly mad that Obama, and not Bush, was the one who got him.

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I'm not surprised that you wouldn't give the President any credit for getting Bin Laden. You remind me of another conservative poster who was clearly mad that Obama, and not Bush, was the one who got him.

I'm not mad at anybody. Just telling you the facts. The Navy SEALs are the only ones's who should take credit. Bush didn't get Sadamm. The Army did.

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I'm not mad at anybody. Just telling you the facts. The Navy SEALs are the only ones's who should take credit. Bush didn't get Sadamm. The Army did.

main point. Former Secretary Gates, a Republican appointee and one of the most respected men in Washington- by both sides of the aisle-called Obama's decision to stage the raid the gutsiest decision he's ever seen by any American President. You seem to think that this praise is somehow not valid, reasoning that there was no political risk to Obama since the raids' failure would never have been reported. I say that Gates knows a hell of a lot more than you or me, or anyone else posting here, and this is good enough for me. Your assertion that the media would never have reported on a failed raid is absolute BS.

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I don't understand why you are all picking on Obama. He kept his promises of "hope" and " change". He just didn't define it to me "hope the changes I made don't continue to spiral the economy downward any farther" Suddenly Greece is looking like a wealthy country next to us. Atta way Barack! Thank God you had the foresight to add Biden on your team

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main point. Former Secretary Gates, a Republican appointee and one of the most respected men in Washington- by both sides of the aisle-called Obama's decision to stage the raid the gutsiest decision he's ever seen by any American President. You seem to think that this praise is somehow not valid, reasoning that there was no political risk to Obama since the raids' failure would never have been reported. I say that Gates knows a hell of a lot more than you or me, or anyone else posting here, and this is good enough for me. Your assertion that the media would never have reported on a failed raid is absolute BS.

If you remember, a little less than two years ago
this administration actually charged and attempted to court-martial 3 Navy Seals from Seal Team Six when
a terrorist suspect, whom they captured, complained they had punched him during the take down and bloodied
his nose. This administration further commented how brutal they were. The left were calling them Nazi's and
Baby Killers. Now all of a sudden, the very brave men they vilified are now heroes?
Seems Obama needed a boost in his ratings and his waterboy, Gates, contributed.

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If you remember, a little less than two years ago
this administration actually charged and attempted to court-martial 3 Navy Seals from Seal Team Six when
a terrorist suspect, whom they captured, complained they had punched him during the take down and bloodied
his nose. This administration further commented how brutal they were. The left were calling them Nazi's and
Baby Killers. Now all of a sudden, the very brave men they vilified are now heroes?
Seems Obama needed a boost in his ratings and his waterboy, Gates, contributed.

What next Obama hires Jane Fonda to entertain the troops and visit military hospitals

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If you remember, a little less than two years ago
this administration actually charged and attempted to court-martial 3 Navy Seals from Seal Team Six when
a terrorist suspect, whom they captured, complained they had punched him during the take down and bloodied
his nose. This administration further commented how brutal they were. The left were calling them Nazi's and
Baby Killers. Now all of a sudden, the very brave men they vilified are now heroes?
Seems Obama needed a boost in his ratings and his waterboy, Gates, contributed.

and you know it. Do me and everyone else here a favor, and admit to the fact that you despise the President, and under no circumstances will you give him credit for anything he does. You remind me of the loonies on the left who were calling Bush and Chaney war criminals. Neither you nor them are capable of any rational, objective thinking.

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and you know it. Do me and everyone else here a favor, and admit to the fact that you despise the President, and under no circumstances will you give him credit for anything he does. You remind me of the loonies on the left who were calling Bush and Chaney war criminals. Neither you nor them are capable of any rational, objective thinking.

When I show you the hypocrisy of this administration, you refuse to see. I guess love is blind.
Obama is the one who wanted to bring Bin Laden to court one minute and then flip flops and wants to kill him the next, when his ratings get low.
He is against wars and then bombs innocent Libyan citizens.

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When I show you the hypocrisy of this administration, you refuse to see. I guess love is blind.
Obama is the one who wanted to bring Bin Laden to court one minute and then flip flops and wants to kill him the next, when his ratings get low.
He is against wars and then bombs innocent Libyan citizens.

advocated killing Bin Laden. You conservatives hate the fact that it was Obama, and not Bush, who got the job done. Why can't you admit that you hate the man and will never give him any credit for anything. At least then, we'll all know where you stand and the source of your animus to all things proposed by this President. And don't say it's because he's a socialist, because any thoughtful person knows that that is far from the truth.

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advocated killing Bin Laden. You conservatives hate the fact that it was Obama, and not Bush, who got the job done. Why can't you admit that you hate the man and will never give him any credit for anything. At least then, we'll all know where you stand and the source of your animus to all things proposed by this President. And don't say it's because he's a socialist, because any thoughtful person knows that that is far from the truth.

Just his liberal progressive philosophy. Oh, is that another name for socialism?

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advocated killing Bin Laden. You conservatives hate the fact that it was Obama, and not Bush, who got the job done. Why can't you admit that you hate the man and will never give him any credit for anything. At least then, we'll all know where you stand and the source of your animus to all things proposed by this President. And don't say it's because he's a socialist, because any thoughtful person knows that that is far from the truth.

All I know after reviewing is that the constant here is that you pretty much totally IGNORE what critiques are made of this President..you NEVER respond to facts presented and continually want to talk party politics or Bush.

I have heard no poster say that they disagree with everything this President has done, but it appears that you think all he does is correct, or you would not ignore what folks say and respond with parties and Bush !

Maybe you dont realize you are doing it, but ...wow.....

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All I know after reviewing is that the constant here is that you pretty much totally IGNORE what critiques are made of this President..you NEVER respond to facts presented and continually want to talk party politics or Bush.

I have heard no poster say that they disagree with everything this President has done, but it appears that you think all he does is correct, or you would not ignore what folks say and respond with parties and Bush !

Maybe you dont realize you are doing it, but ...wow.....

wrong. There are things about Obama I don't like, and will admit that he has made mistakes. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend him from the blind hatred and lunacy prevalent on this forum.

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All I know after reviewing is that the constant here is that you pretty much totally IGNORE what critiques are made of this President..you NEVER respond to facts presented and continually want to talk party politics or Bush.

I have heard no poster say that they disagree with everything this President has done, but it appears that you think all he does is correct, or you would not ignore what folks say and respond with parties and Bush !

Maybe you dont realize you are doing it, but ...wow.....

Listen to Rags 123 Actor. He seems to be very observant bystander.

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wrong. There are things about Obama I don't like, and will admit that he has made mistakes. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend him from the blind hatred and lunacy prevalent on this forum.

I dont want to get into it with you again, but have you heard about the press conference today where for about 10 minutes Carney ducked questions on what plan does the President have and finally admitted he HAS NONE !!!

NO PLAN by the President of the US on a serious budget crisis only a threat of a veto...and that threat given right after calling for compromise.

Look this guy has been all his life and continues to be...it is his way or the highway and yet you defend him.

It is not mistakes that are scary..nobody is perfect...it is the total open lying and lack of leadership. Read the polls...folks are running from this guy in droves. This morning on Morning Joe, former rep Ford who always supports him...this morning he expressed his displeasure on how he is handling this.

I dont care if Mickey Mouse runs against this guy..he must be defeated.

You can call me the regular names..racist, Bushie, far right nut case...whatever....none of that fits...READ ABOUT THIS MAN...READ HIS BACKGROUND..INVESTIGATE THINGS HE HAS SAID AND NOT DONE....Do what nobody in the media did in 2008

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wrong. There are things about Obama I don't like, and will admit that he has made mistakes. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend him from the blind hatred and lunacy prevalent on this forum.

Really?; well that's interesting if true. There are mistakes that you feel this President has made? You've never in any posting ever indicated this that I remember. Not even in your previous persona. Please refresh my memory.

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Really?; well that's interesting if true. There are mistakes that you feel this President has made? You've never in any posting ever indicated this that I remember. Not even in your previous persona. Please refresh my memory.

posted that I was very upset when he came out in favor of Israel retreating to pre-1967 borders. I also am willing to admit that the stimulus plan failed to do what he said it would. I also agree with other posters who complained about the backroom deals he made to get his healthcare plan through, although I think a lot of that had to do with the culture of Washington, and how legislation gets enacted there. Happy now? I've now found fault with the president three more times than you ever have with any Republican. And I have no idea what you are mean when you refer to my previous persona.

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I dont want to get into it with you again, but have you heard about the press conference today where for about 10 minutes Carney ducked questions on what plan does the President have and finally admitted he HAS NONE !!!

NO PLAN by the President of the US on a serious budget crisis only a threat of a veto...and that threat given right after calling for compromise.

Look this guy has been all his life and continues to be...it is his way or the highway and yet you defend him.

It is not mistakes that are scary..nobody is perfect...it is the total open lying and lack of leadership. Read the polls...folks are running from this guy in droves. This morning on Morning Joe, former rep Ford who always supports him...this morning he expressed his displeasure on how he is handling this.

I dont care if Mickey Mouse runs against this guy..he must be defeated.

You can call me the regular names..racist, Bushie, far right nut case...whatever....none of that fits...READ ABOUT THIS MAN...READ HIS BACKGROUND..INVESTIGATE THINGS HE HAS SAID AND NOT DONE....Do what nobody in the media did in 2008

missed something. The latest polls I've seen on the debt ceiling issue show that by a wide margin, people blame the Republicans in the House for the continuing stalemate. People want politicians in Washington who are willing to compromise. I listened to the president's speech last night and he laid out a fairly reasonable plan. Apparently not to your liking. I think your emotions are interfering with your thinking here.

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posted that I was very upset when he came out in favor of Israel retreating to pre-1967 borders. I also am willing to admit that the stimulus plan failed to do what he said it would. I also agree with other posters who complained about the backroom deals he made to get his healthcare plan through, although I think a lot of that had to do with the culture of Washington, and how legislation gets enacted there. Happy now? I've now found fault with the president three more times than you ever have with any Republican. And I have no idea what you are mean when you refer to my previous persona.

Well, it serves no purpose to criticize those out of power. I have to agree with your assessment of things Obama has done in a wrongheaded way and am surprised by your candor, frankly.

I have criticized Bush often, but not since he's been out of office. He's been exemplary in his conduct since leaving office and Clinton doesn't do near as well, and Carter is an absolute disgrace, to this day.

I absolutely have no love for John McCain and swore I wouldn't vote for him in 2008; but in the end I did because I had no choice because I knew the Marxist that was running against him, even thought McCain is a RINO or a flip-flopper in the first order at best.

You seem to write like someone I know. It's very reminiscent. I could be wrong.

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Well, it serves no purpose to criticize those out of power. I have to agree with your assessment of things Obama has done in a wrongheaded way and am surprised by your candor, frankly.

I have criticized Bush often, but not since he's been out of office. He's been exemplary in his conduct since leaving office and Clinton doesn't do near as well, and Carter is an absolute disgrace, to this day.

I absolutely have no love for John McCain and swore I wouldn't vote for him in 2008; but in the end I did because I had no choice because I knew the Marxist that was running against him, even thought McCain is a RINO or a flip-flopper in the first order at best.

You seem to write like someone I know. It's very reminiscent. I could be wrong.

Carter is my least favorite president ever. I voted for Bush in 2004, because I did not like Kerry. I agree with you about Bush's behavior since he left office, and think he's a good guy who never should have been president. BTW, I also think Obama made a huge mistake when he took office by not focusing all his energies on jobs, not healthcare. He mistakenly thought that his stimulus plan would get the economy growing again, and he was wrong.

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Carter is my least favorite president ever. I voted for Bush in 2004, because I did not like Kerry. I agree with you about Bush's behavior since he left office, and think he's a good guy who never should have been president. BTW, I also think Obama made a huge mistake when he took office by not focusing all his energies on jobs, not healthcare. He mistakenly thought that his stimulus plan would get the economy growing again, and he was wrong.

Holy moly!!! Jekyll and Hyde?

I voted for Bush only because I did not want Gore or Kerry for President.
I was disappointed in his fiscal irresponsibility. I also agree that Obama should have focused on Jobs and not healthcare. But I do not understand your constant defending of Obama.

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missed something. The latest polls I've seen on the debt ceiling issue show that by a wide margin, people blame the Republicans in the House for the continuing stalemate. People want politicians in Washington who are willing to compromise. I listened to the president's speech last night and he laid out a fairly reasonable plan. Apparently not to your liking. I think your emotions are interfering with your thinking here.


I for one would be interested to hear those specifics that you heard. Seem the Presidential press secy is not even aware of a plan that is actually written down.

Please share...SPECIFICS please,not his usual generalities !

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Holy moly!!! Jekyll and Hyde?

I voted for Bush only because I did not want Gore or Kerry for President.
I was disappointed in his fiscal irresponsibility. I also agree that Obama should have focused on Jobs and not healthcare. But I do not understand your constant defending of Obama.

agenda but am willing to find fault with Obama or any other Democrat when it is warranted. It's easy for me to defend the President when he is attacked by a bunch of intolerant, hatemongers which unfortunately some of his critics are. I remember all too clearly the birth certificate issue, and the charges that he's really a Muslim, he's a terrorist, he's hates America,etc. It's shameful really, and there's nothing you can say to me to get me to believe that many of his detractors don't feel this way.

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agenda but am willing to find fault with Obama or any other Democrat when it is warranted. It's easy for me to defend the President when he is attacked by a bunch of intolerant, hatemongers which unfortunately some of his critics are. I remember all too clearly the birth certificate issue, and the charges that he's really a Muslim, he's a terrorist, he's hates America,etc. It's shameful really, and there's nothing you can say to me to get me to believe that many of his detractors don't feel this way.

This is very predictable and a great example....

You are asked to detail exactly what the Presidents plan is, and you can only say that you agree with the Democratic PARTY agenda. Thats it.

Secondly, it is inevitable that when you criticize this President, you will be charged with being intolerant, hate monger...then you go to the race issue,,,,,it is totally inevitable.

I might add, that you forget that our previous president was called so much more in so much more graphic language, but I suppose that was just fine,

Again, and I have experienced this first hand...crticize the President and you will NOT hear about the issues or specifics....BUT YOU WILL HEAR how you are a racist, a hatemonger and any other personal issues that can be thought of.

You make everyones case on this one....very very very typical.

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This is very predictable and a great example....

You are asked to detail exactly what the Presidents plan is, and you can only say that you agree with the Democratic PARTY agenda. Thats it.

Secondly, it is inevitable that when you criticize this President, you will be charged with being intolerant, hate monger...then you go to the race issue,,,,,it is totally inevitable.

I might add, that you forget that our previous president was called so much more in so much more graphic language, but I suppose that was just fine,

Again, and I have experienced this first hand...crticize the President and you will NOT hear about the issues or specifics....BUT YOU WILL HEAR how you are a racist, a hatemonger and any other personal issues that can be thought of.

You make everyones case on this one....very very very typical.

in detail every aspect of our budget and where cuts should and shouldn't be made, as you seem to think you are. . I know enough that I don't want to see Medicare turned into a voucher program as Rep. Ryan advocates. I also know that Sen. Reid's plan has more cuts in spending than Boehner's plan, because it includes more cuts in our bloated defense budget. I also know that I'd rather see the wealthiest 1-2 percent pay some additional taxes than to see us cut Pell grants , healthcare services to the needy, etc. And no, it is not inevitable that when you criticize the president you will be called a racist and a hatemonger. When you question where he was born, his religion, his love of country, then yes I believe those are hateful and many on the right are guilty of this. Questioning him on legitimate issues is fine. Got it now, or is this too complicated for you?

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Actor, nobody will take you serious when you throw sticks and stones at everybody. Why do you always feel the need to insult everybody who does not agree with you?

in kind.

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"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."


Overuse, don't ya think?

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"ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."


overuse, don't ya think?

yes!

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yes!

I agree. If you were talking face to face with a person, you would think very, very hard before you ridiculed him. There is a chance that you might get a swollen eye or worse.
Anyways, I feel that it takes a coward to do it behind a computer, where you can feel safe and secure, while you are demeaning other people. Just saying, that's all.

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I agree. If you were talking face to face with a person, you would think very, very hard before you ridiculed him. There is a chance that you might get a swollen eye or worse.
Anyways, I feel that it takes a coward to do it behind a computer, where you can feel safe and secure, while you are demeaning other people. Just saying, that's all.

and insulted on this forum more times than I can count. We all get carried away, and say things in the heat of the moment that we later regret.

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Almost sounds like a pre election participant....

anonymity is the most efficient amplifier!!!

btk

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and insulted on this forum more times than I can count. We all get carried away, and say things in the heat of the moment that we later regret.

Yes, your right, of course. It is human nature to strike back when you feel like you have been attacked. I am as guilty as anyone. Sometimes I walk away and come back later when I calm down.

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Yes, your right, of course. It is human nature to strike back when you feel like you have been attacked. I am as guilty as anyone. Sometimes I walk away and come back later when I calm down.

or hurt someone's feelings, I am genuinely remorseful.

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or hurt someone's feelings, I am genuinely remorseful.

Apology accepted. I also apologize. OK Lets have a group hug.:D

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Vote Obama in '12.

DaleMN

Not being disrespectful to you but trying to understand, you do not know who the Republican nominee will be, you do not know how much worst our country will be in 2012 but you say vote Obama 2012, what do you want more of from Obama, are you happy with the mood, direction of the country, economy, etc? Again just trying to understand.

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I just have to weigh in with the attached article from CBS News at the time that George W. Bush left office.
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"President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.

Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

Recent one term presidents also had higher ratings than Mr. Bush. His father George H.W. Bush had an end-of-term rating of 54 percent, while Jimmy Carter's rating was 44 percent."

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At the present day, I believe the Obama approval rating is 41%. It is not high by any means but a heck of a lot higher than GW Bush's final rating.

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I just have to weigh in with the attached article from CBS News at the time that George W. Bush left office.
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"President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.

Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

Recent one term presidents also had higher ratings than Mr. Bush. His father George H.W. Bush had an end-of-term rating of 54 percent, while Jimmy Carter's rating was 44 percent."

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At the present day, I believe the Obama approval rating is 41%. It is not high by any means but a heck of a lot higher than GW Bush's final rating.
I do not know how they conducted the poll, but I think Carter's rating would be closer to 5% at the most.

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Where do I start...? I have worked in the healthcare field for 36 years, been an x-ray, CT, and MRI technologist, director of an outpatient imaging center, and currently manage 40 employees in the departments of CT, MRI, Ultrasound, Nuclear Medicine and PET/CT. For the last 10 years I have overseen budgets in the millions and ensured patient satisfaction in numerous settings.
Having said that, I feel I have laid some ground work to be able to speak with a smidgen of authority and experience on certain matters...

First of all I think that you have it backwards about who sets the price. Medicare sets the price that they are going to pay, no questions asked. We take a beating on the reimbursement that they give. If we only got what CMS (Medicare) deems proper, we would never be able to afford the purchase let along maintenance of the cutting edge technology that we use to SAVE lives.

It is set up that we should charge for what we use even tho CMS is not going to reimburse. .......

........Off my soap box for now...Oh, I failed to mention that if we provide a service to a person who has no insurance but doesn't qualify for Medicaid/Medicare, and we charged them something less than the CMS rate, it is considered Medicare fraud!...Ok, I'm done for now. :cool:

This, quoted above by KatzPajamas, would be why:

"Canada has one of the lowest rates of MRI scanning machines per capita in the developed world, with 6 MRI scanners per million people, compared to 40.1 in Japan, 14.4 in Switzerland and 26.6 in the United States. Pittsburgh alone has more MRI machines than all of Canada..........


MRI scans have become an essential diagnostic imaging tool, revealing problems that aren’t detectable by other more common tests such as x-rays and ultrasounds.

Also, MRI scans have the advantage of avoiding the ionizing radiation that’s used in other radiology tests such as X-rays, computed tomography (CT) scans and positron emission (PET) scans. ....

The social safety net that is Canada’s health care system was designed to ensure everyone is able to access necessary exams. But what do you do when you simply can’t wait the typical 12 to 18 months’ delay for your MRI scan?...."

http://www.bcliving.ca/self/mri-scans-waiting-public-health-care-vs-paying-private-mri-clinic

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DaleMN

Not being disrespectful to you but trying to understand, you do not know who the Republican nominee will be, you do not know how much worst our country will be in 2012 but you say vote Obama 2012, what do you want more of from Obama, are you happy with the mood, direction of the country, economy, etc? Again just trying to understand.

Plain and simple. I am a lifelong Democrat and in the 12 presidential elections that I have been eligible to vote in I have yet to find a Republican candidate that I would vote for.
As far as the mood, direction of the country and the economy, no I am not entirely happy but I firmly believe I would be even less happy if McCain were now in the White House.

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Plain and simple. I am a lifelong Democrat and in the 12 presidential elections that I have been eligible to vote in I have yet to find a Republican candidate that I would vote for.
As far as the mood, direction of the country and the economy, no I am not entirely happy but I firmly believe I would be even less happy if McCain were now in the White House.

What could he have done to damage this country more that the Obama Administration?

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What could he have done to damage this country more that the Obama Administration?

Suspend his Presidency to figure out how to fix the economy????? :(

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is the guy who ran on Hope and Change. Now everybody has no hope and the change went from bad to worst.:22yikes:

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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/08/heading-for-jimmy-territory.php

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Suspend his Presidency to figure out how to fix the economy????? :(

Huh?????? (the question was "what would of McCain done than would have been worse for the economy?)

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I think that McCain would have been a bad President but at least Jimmy Carters title as Nations Worse would have been safe.

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Don't forget (as many of you seem to have done) that GW Bush exited his last term with an approval rating of 21%. Jimmy Carter had an approval rating of 44%. Bill Clinton had 65% approval rating. President Obama has an approval rating of 41% right now. Kind of strange how a President that was impeached had an approval rating much higher than George W. Bush. Well, it just seems that figures show George W. Bush was truly the worst modern President.

Why not compare those approval ratings and figure out who American voters thought was the worst modern President? Oh, for anyone who cannot do the math - it is GW Bush.

Carter - exit approval rating of 44%.
George W. Bush - exit approval rating of 21%.
President Obama - current approval rating of 41%.

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Don't forget (as many of you seem to have done) that GW Bush exited his last term with an approval rating of 21%. Jimmy Carter had an approval rating of 44%. Bill Clinton had 65% approval rating. President Obama has an approval rating of 41% right now. Kind of strange how a President that was impeached had an approval rating much higher than George W. Bush. Well, it just seems that figures show George W. Bush was truly the worst modern President.

Why not compare those approval ratings and figure out who American voters thought was the worst modern President? Oh, for anyone who cannot do the math - it is GW Bush.

Carter - exit approval rating of 44%.
George W. Bush - exit approval rating of 21%.
President Obama - current approval rating of 41%.

Nice try, but a lame spin. Under Carter the country was in a malaise and people were in distress that has only been topped by the total incompetence of the present resident of the WH. Remember the "misery index"?; remember the flags outside the gas station to tell you when it was OK for you to buy gas?

GW's presidency ended with 5.7% unemployment and a AAA Credit rating. I do the math just fine.

Question unanswered: How would McCain have been worse? I know why no one has answered, but I'm having fun.

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Nice try, my friend, but you did get your figures wrong. Unemployment was at 7.8% when Bush left office. As for the downgrading of the credit rating, there is no one but the Tea Party Republicans to blame that on. Americans have seen what happened and the Tea Party Republicans are going to find themselves in deep yougurt next times they come up for re-election.

Richie, we were frustrated at gas lines and high mortgage rates. However, some of us did really good with long term CDs with interest rates of 18%.

You just have to look at the exit approval rates. GW Bush had the lowest approval rating in history. Jimmy Carter was more than double his approval rating.

Would McCain have done better or worse? If Palin had not been his VP candidate, we might have known the answer. Even though you admire Palin, you have to admit she was the main reason the Republicans failed in 2008.

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As for the downgrading of the credit rating, there is no one but the Tea Party Republicans to blame that on.

Talk about getting things wrong, that's about as far from the truth as one can get.

Fact: S&P said if cut cap and balance was passed they would not downgrade our credit rating.

Fact: The "Tea Party Republications" PASSED IT.

Fact: The DEMOCRATS in the Senate wouldn't even let it come up for a vote.

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Would McCain have done better or worse? If Palin had not been his VP candidate, we might have known the answer. Even though you admire Palin, you have to admit she was the main reason the Republicans failed in 2008.

Never has the American public been as foolish as this, if what you say is true about the election being lost because of Gov. Sarah Palin, who has more love of God and Country and the free market economy that President Barack Hussein Obama has in his entire body; his entire family and his entire administration.

President Barack Hussein Obama who didn't even grow up in this country, but in exotic foreign locales; spent his entire adult life in academia and Democrat controlled cities, and has never had a real job producing anything, or managing anything. This has resulted in an economic policy that is rooted in grandiose ideas and not in market economics.

It should now be obvious to even the most casual observer that the election of 2008 was the most catastrophic use of the American vote in the history of this country.

Sarah Palin was the reason we got this destroyer of the American Dream for a President? People were really that uniformed and susceptible to the left wing progressive mainstream media who were so threatened by this force of nature who espouses all the ideas and values that made this country the best in the world?

People get what they deserve.

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Nice try, my friend, but you did get your figures wrong. Unemployment was at 7.8% when Bush left office. As for the downgrading of the credit rating, there is no one but the Tea Party Republicans to blame that on. Americans have seen what happened and the Tea Party Republicans are going to find themselves in deep yougurt next times they come up for re-election.

Richie, we were frustrated at gas lines and high mortgage rates. However, some of us did really good with long term CDs with interest rates of 18%.

You just have to look at the exit approval rates. GW Bush had the lowest approval rating in history. Jimmy Carter was more than double his approval rating.

Would McCain have done better or worse? If Palin had not been his VP candidate, we might have known the answer. Even though you admire Palin, you have to admit she was the main reason the Republicans failed in 2008.

No offense, but I have never seen a more fact challenged post in my life. You must find other sources for information.

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Here are the statistics:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113770/Bush-Presidency-Closes-34-Approval-61-Disapproval.aspx

Face it, Bush was NOT a good president.

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Here are the statistics:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113770/Bush-Presidency-Closes-34-Approval-61-Disapproval.aspx

Face it, Bush was NOT a good president.

If Bush was not a good president, how would you categorize Barack Hussein Obama? I would say that Obama would be labeled a terrible president at best.

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I put in the link to the 22% approval rating of George W. Bush when he exited office. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml.

I really like the way all the uber-conservatives include President Obama's full name - in an obvious way to show it is not a mainstream American name - and therefore he must be against America. As for Obama growing up in exotic, foreign locales, he was a child when he lived in Indonesia and returned to Hawaii when he was a 5th grader, I believe. That is a terrible thing?

RichieLion writes that President Obama never had a real job producing anything. So what? I do not remember from my Constitutional Law classes that was a requirement for becoming President. He is the duly elected President of the United States and was elected by a majority of the voters.

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If Bush was not a good president, how would you categorize Barack Hussein Obama? I would say that Obama would be labeled a terrible president at best.

Let's see:

1. Got us into the war in Iraq - Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Watch the movie "Fair Game" - the story of the White House outing of the CIA agent. How much has that cost us?

2. Financial meltdown of 2008 - Whose watch did that occur under? We are still suffering from the effects of that.

I would categorize Bush as a terrible president.

As far as Obama, thanks to the Tea Party split in the Republican party, he will have five more years left to determine how good he is.

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Let's see:

1. Got us into the war in Iraq - Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Watch the movie "Fair Game" - the story of the White House outing of the CIA agent. How much has that cost us?

2. Financial meltdown of 2008 - Whose watch did that occur under? We are still suffering from the effects of that.

I would categorize Bush as a terrible president.

As far as Obama, thanks to the Tea Party split in the Republican party, he will have five more years left to determine how good he is.

1. Give me the list of all who voted to war.

2. Barney Frank and his cohorts, the democrat congress, is the blame.

3.Thanks to the Tea Party, Obama will be history after one disastrous term and maybe USA will find fiscal responsibility, again.

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None of the lefties could argue my points. Just more Bush bashing. Well you liberals, Bush has been busy honoring the troops and supporting worthy charitable causes for the last 3 years, while the "The One" has been digging the hole deeper and deeper and deeper. Try convincing anyone outside the choir you sing in that Obama is preferable. Lots of luck with that.

Here's a story from the notoriously right wing rag, The Los Angeles Times (sarcasm alert), about his rating dropping so much his true believers can't suppress it. You boys better call the LA Times and tell them all about GW.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-approval-20110814,0,2481281.story

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I put in the link to the 22% approval rating of George W. Bush when he exited office. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml.

I really like the way all the uber-conservatives include President Obama's full name - in an obvious way to show it is not a mainstream American name - and therefore he must be against America. As for Obama growing up in exotic, foreign locales, he was a child when he lived in Indonesia and returned to Hawaii when he was a 5th grader, I believe. That is a terrible thing?

RichieLion writes that President Obama never had a real job producing anything. So what? I do not remember from my Constitutional Law classes that was a requirement for becoming President. He is the duly elected President of the United States and was elected by a majority of the voters.

I don't need a poll on an ex-president's approval rating at the end of his term to decide whether he was a "good" president, and I don't think most other people do, either.

All I know is that if I were a small business owner of a growing chain of hot dog stands, and if I were hiring a business manager for it, I wouldn't hire Obama to run it and expect to make enough money to pay any wages to anyone, much less make a profit.

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in addition, where would you put the telepromters in a hot dog stand??:D

btk

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He could scribble notes on the palm of his hand (with mustard) like Sarah Palin.

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He could scribble notes on the palm of his hand (with mustard) like Sarah Palin.

Did she do it in all 57 states? :D

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Who pardoned a turkey in a YouTube video while others were being slaughtered in the background?

Who quit her elected post as governor?

Who hired a ghostwriter and is laughing all the way to the bank after duping uber-conservatives into buying the books?

Who is a very savvy business person and has parlayed her persona into millions? :cryin2:

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Who calls the Marine Corps "Corpse"?

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Who calls the Marine Corps "Corpse"?

Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

I remember when you said the exact same thing about President Bush.

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

Yea right. I can imagine the fun the media would have had if Bush said that? Leno would have used that in his monologue for weeks.

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

If he had ever actually spent time with the good men and women of the USMC, he'd have heard it pronounced right.

He's an outsider looking in.

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." —on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"The Cambridge police acted stupidly." —commenting on a white police officer's arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home in Cambridge, Mass., at a news conference, July 22, 2009

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers (Watch video clip)

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

"You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman

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Michelle Bachmann, a big Elvis fan, wished Elvis a Happy Birthday today during her campaigning in South Carolina. She repeated it several times. Only thing today was the anniversary of Elvis' death.

Well, at least she did not say Elvis Costello

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Michelle Bachmann, a big Elvis fan, wished Elvis a Happy Birthday today during her campaigning in South Carolina. She repeated it several times. Only thing today was the anniversary of Elvis' death.

Well, at least she did not say Elvis Costello

I hope she don't repeat it in all 57 states.:D

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also the quotes from the great Joe Biden, to the man in the wheelchair..."Stand up Chuck and let them see you!" and after the signing of ObamaCare bill when he stated..."this is a big F-in deal!" So happy that he could catch a few zzz's during one of the President's lovely afternoon speeches. Who could forget the squirt gun/super soaker fights on the White House lawn with that crazy kid Rahm Emmanuel! :cool:

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Even with all the misquotes and gaffes being given - the main topic of this thread was that President Jimmy Carter was being touted as the worst President and that Obama was making him look good.

Once again, look at George W. Bush's approval rating when he left office. It was 22%. Jimmy Carter had a 45% approval rating when he left office. The conclusion is simple (as is George W. Bush) - George W. Bush was the worst President in US history.

'Nuff said - case closed.

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Even with all the misquotes and gaffes being given - the main topic of this thread was that President Jimmy Carter was being touted as the worst President and that Obama was making him look good.

Once again, look at George W. Bush's approval rating when he left office. It was 22%. Jimmy Carter had a 45% approval rating when he left office. The conclusion is simple (as is George W. Bush) - George W. Bush was the worst President in US history.

'Nuff said - case closed.

Hate to upset you with FACTS, but according to Gallup....Bush had an approval rating of 34%, and Carter had an approval rating of 34% also.

It should also be noted that Harry Truman was in the low 30's when he left office but is not now considered a bad president.

Time will tell...it always does. So, for me the "case" is not closed for years unless you are simply a party person and it suits your need. I am for sure, anti Obama, but NEVER would make the kind of comparisons being made here.

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Hate to upset you with FACTS, but according to Gallup....Bush had an approval rating of 34%, and Carter had an approval rating of 34% also.

It should also be noted that Harry Truman was in the low 30's when he left office but is not now considered a bad president.

Time will tell...it always does. So, for me the "case" is not closed for years unless you are simply a party person and it suits your need. I am for sure, anti Obama, but NEVER would make the kind of comparisons being made here.

I agree. Usually, a person's performance is rated alot different once history has had time to judge. Over 30 years have passed since Carter left office, and he is still rated the worst President in history, barring known.

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Obama knows he's slipping bad and that's why he's out on his taxpayer paid $1.1 Million Dollar "Magical Misery Tour" bus tour to all the parts of the country where he is losing his support. I can't say more than that or all you liberals will say I have a racist streak, so I'll let the politicians and pundits say it. Everyone can add it up for themselves.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/17/top_black_dem_were_supportive_of_the_president_but _were_getting_tired.html

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/90241/obama-election-2012-working-class-kerry

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Obama knows he's slipping bad and that's why he's out on his taxpayer paid $1.1 Million Dollar "Magical Misery Tour" bus tour to all the parts of the country where he is losing his support. I can't say more than that or all you liberals will say I have a racist streak, so I'll let the politicians and pundits say it. Everyone can add it up for themselves.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/17/top_black_dem_were_supportive_of_the_president_but _were_getting_tired.html

http://www.tnr.comarticle/politics/90241/obama-election-2012-working-class-kerry

RICHIE....I am about as anti Obama as anyone...been touting his weakness since before he was the candidate, and then he appeared not to have a chance against Secy Clinton...he got the nod and won the election. Remember there are a lot of hard core voters who because of many issues will vote for him NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS OR WHAT HE DOES.

Those groups are very large and will be bussed to polling places, etc. In order for anyone to defeat the current President...

1. The Republican party has to be very careful not to shoot themselves in the foot. Those in that party who have divergent views better use their head and realize that a NON VOTE...or any kind of inside bickering they will get 4 more years.

2. There has to be a turnout. 2008 reminded us of what happens when we are not happy with either candidate. As I said, there are votes he has in his pocket no matter what he does or says.

3. He has a ton of money, and while I think he is a failure as a President, he is not a failure as a campaigner (fact is he has been doing that since the inaugration)

Bottom line is NO MATTER if the unemployment is high...NO MATTER what is happening, there must be togetherness and attendance on election day.

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At this point, no matter how the lame stream media tries to spin it, he's in deep doo-doo; in my opinion, of course.
But, maybe the movie being made (free campaign video) of Rambo Obama jumping the fortress walls and beating Bin Laden in brutal hand to hand combat and then holding his severed head up so the Qaeda loyalists are demoralized, will give his campaign a boost when it's released in Oct. 2012

It'll probably look similar to this.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/wakytimes/68ad0706-7fea-4fd4-887f-ac9240ce8627Large.jpg

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Richie, have the waitress pour you another bar brand bourbon while you re-check your facts.

The President does not have a $1.1 million bus tour. The $1.1 million is the cost of the bus. Top secret stuff on it.

However, do not get your conservative feathers ruffled about this. There is a second identical bus that will be for the use of the Republican candidate - and they also get Secret Service protection - the same as the President.:eek:

The picture is from Clash of the Titans and is Harry Hamlin? Dang, another synapse just sparked on that one.

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At this point, no matter how the lame stream media tries to spin it...It'll probably look similar to this.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/wakytimes/68ad0706-7fea-4fd4-887f-ac9240ce8627Large.jpg

:22yikes: lol...thanks Lion