View Full Version : I'm Mad as H*ll and am not going to take it anymore!
Guest
07-31-2011, 01:22 PM
I purposely did not put this in "Political" because not all members have joined that forum.
This is something that most are feeling right now, yes? ....barb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGyVNippvA&feature=player_embedded
Guest
07-31-2011, 01:41 PM
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause::agree::agr ee:
Guest
07-31-2011, 01:44 PM
Wow, couldn't say it better!!!!:BigApplause:
Guest
07-31-2011, 01:46 PM
I purposely did not put this in "Political" because not all members have joined that forum.
This is something that most are feeling right now, yes? ....barb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGyVNippvA&feature=player_embedded
This is the right forum because it has nothing to do with politics, unless you want to admit that politics are at the root of this country's problems. Still this message needs to be in all possible forums.:BigApplause:
Guest
07-31-2011, 02:23 PM
This is the right forum because it has nothing to do with politics, unless you want to admit that politics are at the root of this country's problems. Still this message needs to be in all possible forums.:BigApplause:
He speaks for all of us...for free....far better than those we've "hired" by voting. They mock us as they play their games.
Guest
07-31-2011, 02:30 PM
Enjoy.
http://youtu.be/QMBZDwf9dok
Guest
07-31-2011, 02:36 PM
My thoughts exactly. :thumbup: Now what can we realistically do, other than to never vote for an incumbent .........this is our intention for future elections...............
Guest
07-31-2011, 02:38 PM
I purposely did not put this in "Political" because not all members have joined that forum. This is something that most are feeling right now, yes? ....barb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGyVNippvA&feature=player_embedded
Very powerful video. :thumbup:
Guest
07-31-2011, 03:15 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RowXhSlCEQI/TiX89VkhABI/AAAAAAAAAH4/D4L16fJPKwQ/s200/applause2.gif
Most of this is exactly what common everyday grass-routes Americans, who are being demonized and vilified by being called racists, neo-Klansmen, knuckle-dragging hillbillies and every other nasty undeserved comment under the sun, have been trying to say for more than a few years now! Thanks for the videos!
Guest
07-31-2011, 03:35 PM
The American people rock:thumbup:
Guest
07-31-2011, 03:48 PM
He was much nicer to the parasite politicians than I am. I applaud your constraint!:BigApplause:
Guest
07-31-2011, 04:18 PM
He was much nicer to the parasite politicians than I am. I applaud your constraint!:BigApplause:
"Parasite" is right. Why....WHY are we PAYING these people????
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/25/your-senator-is-probably-a-millionaire/
Guest
07-31-2011, 04:41 PM
AMEN and HALLELUJAH!!!
Guest
07-31-2011, 05:09 PM
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.
Guest
07-31-2011, 05:12 PM
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.
Not the polls that I have seen. I cannot picture Obama bending over backwards for anybody.
Guest
07-31-2011, 06:29 PM
right on!!!!
Guest
07-31-2011, 06:37 PM
Lot of people say things they don't mean when they drink---
do you think
Guest
07-31-2011, 06:39 PM
Great video. :BigApplause::BigApplause:
Guest
07-31-2011, 06:45 PM
Since... I don't know anything about any of this... I will not comment. I would only sound like a dumb blond...
But if I did... I would suggest people google much of what this gentleman said... But then... what do I know??? I'm just a dumb blond... :oops:
Guest
07-31-2011, 08:35 PM
Count me in!! Thanks for sharing -- now let's see what we can do about it!
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:
Guest
08-01-2011, 12:07 AM
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.Given the surplus of histronics and the lack of complete disclosure, it doesn't surprise me that the majority of Americans agree with the president on "this issue," providing that is on what your preception of "this issue" is of course! Under normal circumstances I would agree with you (in part at least) on what you're saying. However, when it becomes necessary to prevent an inevitable derailment of government, comprimise is not always possible. As they say in the Kenny Rogers song, Coward of the County... "Sometimes you gotta fight when you're a man!"
IMHO, the American people spoke loud and clear in the election last November when they overwhelmingly elected Republicans to Congress, and what they were saying to Washington was NOT to allow the derailment of government, but rather to have the courage to fight to keep government from a catastropic future and not comprimise (what you refer to as hostage holding) in that objective, even when under the political atmosphere of fear mongering and charactor assassination.
Is there room for comprimise in this case? There should be! But an increase in US debt of over 3 Trillion over the past couple of years has made comprimise a virtual mission impossible if that debt is to be prevented from escillating to a point of governmental collapse once it grows beyond America's ability to ever recover, and I'm sure none of us want that!
Guest
08-01-2011, 01:57 AM
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.
sammy8duck, how has he bent over backwards? What polls are you reading? What leadership has he provided to resolve this problem? The answer is none. Please look at the facts before you make these statements.
Your "teapartiers" have created, written and passed two bills in the House of Representatives to resolve this issue. Both bills were sent to the Senate controlled by Harry Reid where they were tabled. No vote allowed. He did not want the Senators to have to go on record as opposed so he tabled them and allowed no vote.
How many bills has the Senate passed? NONE. Not their job? Wrong. It is with in their power to take either bill passed by the House and change it, modify, re-write, vote on it and send it back to the house. They have not done that. They just say "I don't like those bills, send us a third one" Again no leadership.
Mr Obama has provided no bill to resolve this problem. Not his job? Wrong again. Any president can create a bill, send it to the house for sponsorship and be voted on. Name one? Obama Care. Created by this president, sponsored by Nancy Polsi and passed by the House, sent to the Senate and passed again. And that bill is the one that helped create this current crisis.
Several presidents have had this same exact problem and all provided the leadership to get it done. Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George Bush. And several had to do it with a House and Senate controlled by the other party.
Our president has provided no leadership to resolve this problem. So far all he has done is criticize those actions taken by others. It's OK to throw stones if you have a better plan, he does not have that right as he has no plan. And if you say he does, I will ask you what it is. So far it is only rhetoric.
Guest
08-01-2011, 02:03 AM
Well the deal has been made so we will all live on happy and rich now. The vote on Monday will finalize the debate.
Guest
08-01-2011, 06:33 AM
There is a giant leadership vacuum in Washington, DC that isn't just one party. Everyone involved in this issue has shown a lack of leadership. Every dollar currently being spent by the government was included in a bill already passed by the Congress. Every dollar! But now, when the debt limit must be raised to accommodate all of that profligate spending, they don't have the courage to pass it. Cowards every one. It's no different than if you and I went on a bender and spent many thousands on our credit cards, then simply refused to make the payment at the end of the month. If we were really mad as hell, we would vote them all out. But we won't - it's never OUR representative's fault. This belongs in Political, for sure.
Guest
08-01-2011, 06:39 AM
Here's a great idea to get rid of them all. Fire everybody.
http://www.americanselect.org/
Guest
08-01-2011, 09:42 AM
There is a giant leadership vacuum in Washington, DC that isn't just one party. Everyone involved in this issue has shown a lack of leadership. Every dollar currently being spent by the government was included in a bill already passed by the Congress. Every dollar! But now, when the debt limit must be raised to accommodate all of that profligate spending, they don't have the courage to pass it. Cowards every one. It's no different than if you and I went on a bender and spent many thousands on our credit cards, then simply refused to make the payment at the end of the month. If we were really mad as hell, we would vote them all out. But we won't - it's never OUR representative's fault. This belongs in Political, for sure.
Oh you are so right on this...a friend and I were talking about this last night and made the same comment as to why things never do change in Washington.....everything is always caused by "someone else".....sort of like the "he did it" who lived in my house when I had children at home. My kids never caused any messes or mischief it was all done by "he did it". :D
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Guest
08-01-2011, 11:34 AM
sammy8duck, how has he bent over backwards? What polls are you reading? What leadership has he provided to resolve this problem? The answer is none. Please look at the facts before you make these statements.
Your "teapartiers" have created, written and passed two bills in the House of Representatives to resolve this issue. Both bills were sent to the Senate controlled by Harry Reid where they were tabled. No vote allowed. He did not want the Senators to have to go on record as opposed so he tabled them and allowed no vote.
How many bills has the Senate passed? NONE. Not their job? Wrong. It is with in their power to take either bill passed by the House and change it, modify, re-write, vote on it and send it back to the house. They have not done that. They just say "I don't like those bills, send us a third one" Again no leadership.
Mr Obama has provided no bill to resolve this problem. Not his job? Wrong again. Any president can create a bill, send it to the house for sponsorship and be voted on. Name one? Obama Care. Created by this president, sponsored by Nancy Polsi and passed by the House, sent to the Senate and passed again. And that bill is the one that helped create this current crisis.
Several presidents have had this same exact problem and all provided the leadership to get it done. Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George Bush. And several had to do it with a House and Senate controlled by the other party.
Our president has provided no leadership to resolve this problem. So far all he has done is criticize those actions taken by others. It's OK to throw stones if you have a better plan, he does not have that right as he has no plan. And if you say he does, I will ask you what it is. So far it is only rhetoric.
The agreements made by all those Presidents were a compromise. Ronald Reagen agreed to raise taxes along with cutting costs. The tea partiers refused to compromise.
Guest
08-01-2011, 12:10 PM
The agreements made by all those Presidents were a compromise. Ronald Reagen agreed to raise taxes along with cutting costs. The tea partiers refused to compromise.
Does it occur to you that "the tea partiers" did what their constituents elected them to do?
If their constituents had wanted otherwise, they would have voted for the ones who absolutely refuse to stop the drunken spending and printing of money out of thin air, digging us further and further into debt and interest payments that are beyond comprehension!
These elected congressmen have a responsibility to do what their constituents tell them to do, NOT what others around the nation want. It would be irresponsible of them to do otherwise!
Guest
08-01-2011, 12:40 PM
Well the deal has been made so we will all live on happy and rich now. The vote on Monday will finalize the debate.Don't bet on it! They may cut back over 3 trillion in spending now, but don't be surprised if new spending exceeding that amount is created in the future resulting in a net increase in spending over the cutback period!
BTW, for those who say vote them all out of office, well that's exactly what the tea partiers did last November in the majority of cases. And now it's still being advocated that those they voted in also be voted out next time, even though they are doing exactly what was expected of them by the citizens that voted them in. What sense does that make?
If your representative, senator or president makes every reasonable and apparant attempt to do what you voted them in to do, then reward them when their re-election comes up. But if they don't, then kick their sorry butts out to the street!
http://www.peeyourpantsforthebrewers.com/images/buttkicked09.jpeg
Note: I was preparing my post while ilovetv's was posted, and I did not see it before making this one!
Guest
08-01-2011, 12:50 PM
Wouldn't it be great if someone in the mainstream media had the guts to run this on the evening news. This guy really hit it on the head.:BigApplause:
Guest
08-01-2011, 12:51 PM
They keep calling for compromise, but how can you have compromise when one side says raise the debt limit and the other side says Do not raise the debt limit......there is no room for compromise........one side has to back down and in the case it was the Republicans.......they caved and I hope they all get voted out.
Guest
08-01-2011, 12:55 PM
They keep calling for compromise, but how can you have compromise when one side says raise the debt limit and the other side says Do not raise the debt limit......there is no room for compromise........one side has to back down and in the case it was the Republicans.......they caved and I hope they all get voted out.But... but... that would be like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire! :22yikes:
Guest
08-01-2011, 01:57 PM
..."Brother against Brother"...Republican vs. Democrat vs. Teapartier... but it's not about North and South anymore, it's East and West...depending upon what side of the "Aisle" your seated on.
These idiots cannot get anything done towards improving the situation we're facing today, for the fighting, bickering, backstabbing and "ME ME ME" inmature mentality that they are famous for...and have been forever.
If this hint of a "Civil War" is not resolved soon it will escalate into...you guessed it...the next Revolutionary War! The American people will be fighting for Independance from their very own government. Sounds pretty damn socialist to me!...if not dictatorial at the least ! Our personal freedoms are being stripped away at an ALARMING rate !
History has a way of repeating itself! This is EXACTLY how and why the Roman Empire fell. 100's of years of this very same thing we are witnessing today, here...resulted in it's collapase in less than a decade.
A decade from "Riches to Ruin"...BUT...it took 100's of years to lay the groundwork.
Guest
08-01-2011, 07:24 PM
From Phil Loper: Here's how many Republicans Senators voted to raise the debt ceiling each time it came up for a vote since 1997.
1997: 55
2002: 31
2003: 50
2004: 50
......2006: 51
2007: 26
2008: 34
2008: 33
Then Barack H. Obama Obama was elected.
2009: 2
2009: 1
2010: 0
Information on the Debt Ceiling....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-debt-ceiling/2011/07/11/gIQA3mPTTI_blog.html
Only one other country in the world has a debt ceiling...
http://crisisjones.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/only-one-democratic-country-besides-america-has-a-debt-ceiling/
For anyone who might be confused.. This isn't a one party country... You don't walk out in the middle of the debate!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/22/obama-debt-ceiling-talks-boehner_n_907502.html
And if you're getting your information from Fox News... You might want to see what Canada has to say about them....
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada
I found this interesting....
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/25/277857/corporations-rich-taxes-debt-disappear/
Comments from a friend of mine who used to live here and now lives in Brazil...
"We are no without our share of government scabs. However, we do have a great government health plan that works well enough that it gave me a $60,000 heart operation after the hospital turned their nose up at the insurance company that Cat stuck us with. The health plan has its flaws but the fact that I can write this kind of puts me on the side of a goverment run health care plan. BTW, people that want next day service buy their own insurance."
John McCains comments....
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&¬e_id=10150343883243417#!/video/video.php?v=819953868820&oid=15704546335&comments
What Nancy Pelosi has to say....
http://youtu.be/ktbG0Xk0O7k
Oh... and about those nasty little rumors regarding Ms. Pelosi....
http://factcheck.org/archives/search-results/?cx=000672474746801930868%3Aa87hh_euyka&cof=FORID%3A11%3BNB%3A1&ie=UTF-8&q=nancy+pelosi+spending&sa=Search#932
More on Nancy....
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=nancy+pelosi&x=46&y=11&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0
A poll of how the people feel regarding this whole debacle!
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-debt-ceiling-pew-poll-20110801,0,5434954.story
As I said in my first comment... It doesn't matter what our opinion is. For crying out loud... do some research. If you disagree, find something to back it up. Maybe we can all learn something here... but not just with an opinion.
But like I said... I'm just a dumb blond... what do I know????
Guest
08-01-2011, 07:26 PM
GaDawg... You are correct!!! Thank you!
Guest
08-01-2011, 07:32 PM
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplaus e::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigAppla use::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:
Guest
08-01-2011, 07:57 PM
(https://www.facebook.com/editnote.php?draft¬e_id=10150343883243417&id=1272466696)
Congress Reform act!
It doesn't matter if you are Democrat, Republican or whatever......, is Congress really in touch with us?
The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.
Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land . .. . all because of public pressure.
I'm asking each person to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
In three days, most people in the United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.
Congressional Reform Act of 2011
1. Term Limits.
12 years only, one of the possible options below.
A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms
2. No Tenure/No Pension.
A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when s/he is out of office.
3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.
4. Congress can purchase its own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the rest of the American people.
7. Congress must abide equally by all laws they impose on the American people.
8. All contracts with past and present Congress are void effective 1/1/12 .
The American people did not make this contract with Congress. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people, then it will only take three days for most people (in the US) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.
LET'S FIX CONGRESS!!! If you agree, pass it on.
Shouldn't this be on Political?
Just askin' :confused:
Guest
08-01-2011, 08:02 PM
Thank you... You are correct...
Also... I found out it was not correct in that our congressmen do pay into SS.
Thank you again! :highfive:
Guest
09-14-2011, 12:29 PM
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.
Yes, the majority of the American people - so say the polls - agree that taxes should be raised on those making over $250,000. The Republicans need to get their act together and eradicate the Tea Party hostage takers. BTW, Reagan raised taxes 8 times. And, who made Grover Norquist the King anyway? I'm a Republican and Reagan would be ashamed of what has happened to his party!
I own a small business and I'm ready to pay back this country for my success in the form of taxes - in addition to all the volunteer work I do. We need to get this country moving again - so Republicans need to stop complaining and start compromising. :spoken:
Guest
09-14-2011, 12:49 PM
Yes, the majority of the American people - so say the polls - agree that taxes should be raised on those making over $250,000. .......
I own a small business and I'm ready to pay back this country for my success in the form of taxes - in addition to all the volunteer work I do. We need to get this country moving again - so Republicans need to stop complaining and start compromising. :spoken:
How about "paying back this country" by offering additional jobs to people in your small business?
To me, it seems that anyone who thinks income earners and small business owners making $250,000 are "rich" and "should pay more" don't know what it costs to employ people.
Guest
09-14-2011, 12:53 PM
Most of those elected in 2010 ran on a platform of stopping spending and no more taxes. They were elected by the people in their home districts. Now you want them to go against what they were elected to do by the people they represent? I disagree.
Congress is set up to be a representative of the people who elect them. And when they go to Washington and do something different, that is wrong. If my congressman runs on a specific platform and I vote for them and they win, I expect them to follow the principals they ran on and vote that way to represent the majority of the people in their district who were the reason they won that election. To go to Washington and do something different is wrong and they should be removed from office.
I completely disagree with the policies of Obama. However I do respect the fact that he told us during the campaign what he was going to do. He told us he was going to redistribute wealth. He told us he wanted to raise taxes. He told us he wanted to pass national health care. I personally do not want any of those things. But he won. To get there and do something different would be wrong. Same with those elected to congress. Do what you say you were going to do when you ran for the office.
Guest
09-14-2011, 02:05 PM
Most of those elected in 2010 ran on a platform of stopping spending and no more taxes. They were elected by the people in their home districts. Now you want them to go against what they were elected to do by the people they represent? I disagree.
Congress is set up to be a representative of the people who elect them. And when they go to Washington and do something different that is wrong. If my congressman runs on a specific platform and I vote for them and they win, I expect them to follow the principals they ran on and vote that way to represent the majority of the people in their district who were the reason they won that election. To go to Washington and do something different is wrong and they should be removed from office.
I completely disagree with the policies of Obama. However I do respect the fact that he told us during the campaign what he was going to do. He told us he was going to redistribute wealth. He told us he wanted to raise taxes. He told us he wanted to pass national health care. I personally do not want any of those things. But he won. Do get there and do something different would be wrong. Same with those elected to congress. Do what you say you were going to do when you ran for the office.
I agree. It's called having integrity.
Guest
09-14-2011, 10:11 PM
This is currently in the 'General Forum'. If discussions turn to political party then it will be moved into the 'Political Forums'. Thank You
Guest
09-15-2011, 08:27 AM
Outrage and demigoguery is easy
Solutions are difficult
The problem is that our representatives are pulled so strongly to the extremes, both left and right, that they cannot come together for common sense solutions for most of us that live near the middle. The extremists vote in the primaries and decide who represents their party, leaving the middle out in the cold.
Guest
09-15-2011, 09:39 AM
Most of those elected in 2010 ran on a platform of stopping spending and no more taxes. They were elected by the people in their home districts. Now you want them to go against what they were elected to do by the people they represent? I disagree.
Congress is set up to be a representative of the people who elect them. And when they go to Washington and do something different, that is wrong. If my congressman runs on a specific platform and I vote for them and they win, I expect them to follow the principals they ran on and vote that way to represent the majority of the people in their district who were the reason they won that election. To go to Washington and do something different is wrong and they should be removed from office.
I completely disagree with the policies of Obama. However I do respect the fact that he told us during the campaign what he was going to do. He told us he was going to redistribute wealth. He told us he wanted to raise taxes. He told us he wanted to pass national health care. I personally do not want any of those things. But he won. To get there and do something different would be wrong. Same with those elected to congress. Do what you say you were going to do when you ran for the office.
BINGO We didn't send them down there to "compromise" We sent them there to vote for OUR principles.
Guest
09-15-2011, 09:49 AM
:bigbow:
I purposely did not put this in "Political" because not all members have joined that forum.
This is something that most are feeling right now, yes? ....barb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGyVNippvA&feature=player_embedded
:bigbow:
Guest
09-15-2011, 09:50 AM
GR8:agree::agree:
Guest
09-17-2011, 08:49 AM
How about "paying back this country" by offering additional jobs to people in your small business?
To me, it seems that anyone who thinks income earners and small business owners making $250,000 are "rich" and "should pay more" don't know what it costs to employ people.
Well, that is a given and all businesses should try to do it. Think what a difference that would make if all business hired at least 1 person. I hired a "long time unemployed" young man two months ago, and we have another new employee starting in two weeks. I have 7 employees and absolutely know what it costs to employ people. Here in New York state it gets very expensive to live, let alone run a business. I have to agree that a $250,000 income doesn't make you rich, but 2010 statistics show that only 4% of people in this country make over $250,000. We are lucky that Rochester hasn't experienced the extreme booms and busts that many parts of the country has, but our major corps - KODAK, B&L and XEROX have still had to downsize. Business is still very good around here and we try to do our part to keep it moving. I will have wonderful help running the company this year while I'm enjoying my new home in The Villages this winter and managing from a distance. :)
Guest
09-17-2011, 10:09 AM
To all posters to this thread...In my view most things have a political bent because so much of our interactions have political implications. Think back on what criteria was used to even up sides for a sand lot game. think back about how you had to approach your employer, spouse, lender, etc all political.
Having said that the dialogue among posters was very civil . In essence most posters agree that our Constitution has been hijacked by idealogues
Most also agree that the Tea Party goal is to force our elected officials to abide by the U.S. Constitution
There was not one thought word or opinion that the gentlement on You Tube said that hasn't been replicated millions and millions of times by American taxpayers/voters.
Where have all the Harry Trumans and Ronald Reagans gone? These were men of character, vision and whowere guardians of our American way of life and our belief in exceptionalism and the exceptional business leaders, scientist, engineers,etc.
Guest
09-17-2011, 01:02 PM
Until you introduced the Tea Party into the conversation. I left the bus then.
Guest
09-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Until you introduced the Tea Party into the conversation. I left the bus then.With the above stated I decided to do a little reading about the Tea Party and learn something for myself instead of reacting to it and running the risk of turning this thread into a political discussion. What I found IMHO was interesting unbiased reading and it did provide information about opposing views on the movement. I feel that fair minded people might also like to read what I found before making any judgements pro or con of their own. So without any opinions given on my part, here's the link to what I've read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
Guest
09-22-2011, 12:32 PM
To all posters to this thread...In my view most things have a political bent because so much of our interactions have political implications. Think back on what criteria was used to even up sides for a sand lot game. think back about how you had to approach your employer, spouse, lender, etc all political.
Having said that the dialogue among posters was very civil . In essence most posters agree that our Constitution has been hijacked by idealogues
Most also agree that the Tea Party goal is to force our elected officials to abide by the U.S. Constitution
There was not one thought word or opinion that the gentlement on You Tube said that hasn't been replicated millions and millions of times by American taxpayers/voters.
Where have all the Harry Trumans and Ronald Reagans gone? These were men of character, vision and whowere guardians of our American way of life and our belief in exceptionalism and the exceptional business leaders, scientist, engineers,etc.
I certainly do NOT agree that the tea party has any goal, leadership or purpose that is reasonable or that benefits the CURRENT situation in our country. They do, however, pour a good cup of, er, tea
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09-22-2011, 09:08 PM
I certainly do NOT agree that the tea party has any goal, leadership or purpose that is reasonable or that benefits the CURRENT situation in our country. They do, however, pour a good cup of, er, tea
:agree:
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09-22-2011, 11:33 PM
Diverse Group with a Unified Message
Tea Partiers detest all things big: big government, big business, big national debt, big taxes. They express hostility toward the elite and outrage that the government has come to the aid of Wall Street while ignoring the plight of Main Street. Most Tea Partiers consider themselves citizen activists who are part of a grassroots movement that is organized from the bottom up—small groups united under a shared ideology. The movement claims no national leader or figurehead.
Read more: History of the Tea Party Movement — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/us/government/tea-party-history.html#ixzz1YkMxN2JH
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09-23-2011, 10:23 AM
I certainly do NOT agree that the tea party has any goal, leadership or purpose that is reasonable or that benefits the CURRENT situation in our country. They do, however, pour a good cup of, er, tea
I agree. In addition, there have been so many documented reports in the media about racist actions of tea party members, it is difficult to believe the almost uniformly white tea partiers are anything other than a racist, right-wing reaction to the election of an African American president.
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09-23-2011, 11:05 AM
I was at the original Tea Party in New England and I never heard of a racist remark by a Tea Party member. I have talked to literally hundreds of members and their conversations evolve taxes, jobs, the economy and electing people that will help us get this country going again after the last disastrous 4 or 5 years. It would be scandalous to wrap all these good people into one package and label them so cruelly.
Guest
09-23-2011, 11:18 AM
I personally am not a fan of the Tea Party movement, but I do not believe any group should ever be painted "or tarred" with one brush. As a Democrat I do not like it when all Democrats are labeled as "liberal wackos" that are unpatriotic and certainly can't be Christians. So I will not resort to labeling another group of people as all being one thing or another. I only wish more people would refrain from name calling. Then maybe we could all act as the grown ups we are and learn to get along. Like it or not we must accept this country is pretty much split down the middle concerning politics. If we don't work together with some give and take on both sides nothing will ever get done.
This is just my opinion. No one has to agree with me but I would like people to accept the fact that I have the right to have my opinions. This is what makes America the free country it is.
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09-23-2011, 11:56 AM
I personally am not a fan of the Tea Party movement, but I do not believe any group should ever be painted "or tarred" with one brush. As a Democrat I do not like it when all Democrats are labeled as "liberal wackos" that are unpatriotic and certainly can't be Christians. So I will not resort to labeling another group of people as all being one thing or another. I only wish more people would refrain from name calling. Then maybe we could all act as the grown ups we are and learn to get along. Like it or not we must accept this country is pretty much split down the middle concerning politics. If we don't work together with some give and take on both sides nothing will ever get done.
This is just my opinion. No one has to agree with me but I would like people to accept the fact that I have the right to have my opinions. This is what makes America the free country it is.
I agree with you. We are split down the middle... I wish we could find the middle and start from there. Find what we agree on and then move on... I don't think I can ever remember in history when we have been this divided and it saddens me.
Guest
09-23-2011, 01:17 PM
No need for all the critics' analyses and labelling and stereotyping....look no further than what T.E.A. stands for in the TEA Party:
TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
Taxed Enough Already does NOT mean "require no taxes".
Taxed Enough Already does NOT mean "no government".
Taxed Enough Already does NOT mean "hate everyone who disagrees with us".
But it DOES mean
"The government already collects enough taxes for what needs to be done"
and
"Live within your means"
Guest
09-23-2011, 02:27 PM
Is every single Tea Party member racist? No, but there sure are a lot of them that are, and the ones that aren't don't seem to mind associating with the racists. The following is an interesting link showing some of the signs the tea party people are showing at some of their meetings and demonstrations. Shameful. http://brotherpeacemaker.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/signs-of-racism-in-the-tea-party/
Senator Rand Paul, one of the tea party favorites, has stated publicly he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights amendment as it pertains to discrimination in business. I recall during the last election receiving many emails from fellow Villagers that were promoting incredible lies about Obama, such as "he's a Muslim - if you vote for him you'll be wearing a burka, etc., etc.," and they all seem to have jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon. It sure looks like racisim to me.
Guest
09-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Is every single Tea Party member racist? No, but there sure are a lot of them that are, and the ones that aren't don't seem to mind associating with the racists. The following is an interesting link showing some of the signs the tea party people are showing at some of their meetings and demonstrations. Shameful. http://brotherpeacemaker.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/signs-of-racism-in-the-tea-party/
Senator Rand Paul, one of the tea party favorites, has stated publicly he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights amendment as it pertains to discrimination in business. I recall during the last election receiving many emails from fellow Villagers that were promoting incredible lies about Obama, such as "he's a Muslim - if you vote for him you'll be wearing a burka, etc., etc.," and they all seem to have jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon. It sure looks like racisim to me.
I disagree with just about everything you posted. These people in the TeaParty are ordinary citizens and I do not like the way the lefties are portraying them. Shameful.
Guest
09-23-2011, 04:43 PM
Is every single Tea Party member racist? No, but there sure are a lot of them that are, and the ones that aren't don't seem to mind associating with the racists. The following is an interesting link showing some of the signs the tea party people are showing at some of their meetings and demonstrations. Shameful. http://brotherpeacemaker.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/signs-of-racism-in-the-tea-party/
Senator Rand Paul, one of the tea party favorites, has stated publicly he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights amendment as it pertains to discrimination in business. I recall during the last election receiving many emails from fellow Villagers that were promoting incredible lies about Obama, such as "he's a Muslim - if you vote for him you'll be wearing a burka, etc., etc.," and they all seem to have jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon. It sure looks like racisim to me.
Another leftist activist trying to paint the whole Tea Party as racist. Liberals have no agenda to point to that can elevate their Party so you try to tear down those who speak the issues that will hasten their defeat at the polls. Well it's not working now and it's not going to work in the future.
All your fallacious rhetoric designed to smear the Tea Party Movement as anything other than the grass roots movement it is, founded to combat the rise of big government, big taxes, and big brother will fail and you will fail.
This shows the desperation of the party you hang with and the smell of your desperation is sweet.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/african-americans-respond-to-claims-of-racism-at-t
Guest
09-23-2011, 04:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM&feature=player_embedded
Guest
09-23-2011, 09:28 PM
WOW! How refreshing! This should be shown on the nightly news!
Guest
09-24-2011, 11:53 AM
Wow, It sure seems a large contingent from other states are chiming in here. I think I'm seeing a more true pattern of the country's thinking...Not looking good for our southern tea partiers...THANK GOD
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