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Guest
08-02-2011, 09:30 AM
This nothing to do with the debt but when people are elected to any office. Two people should be elected to any position . The first elected will be given 90 days to prove his worth if they dont produce they get fired and you put the second person in place. You know they will try there best because the other guy got fired. Who would police this process havent got that far.By the way no benifits for guys that dont make it. The way it works now we are stuck with these lossers for a number years and then the damage is done. If they not cutting it get em out

Guest
08-03-2011, 03:13 AM
When are you running!? Sure wish they could pass this law in Congress but I'm sure that will never happen!






This nothing to do with the debt but when people are elected to any office. Two people should be elected to any position . The first elected will be given 90 days to prove his worth if they dont produce they get fired and you put the second person in place. You know they will try there best because the other guy got fired. Who would police this process havent got that far.By the way no benifits for guys that dont make it. The way it works now we are stuck with these lossers for a number years and then the damage is done. If they not cutting it get em out

Guest
08-03-2011, 06:12 PM
From this Congress?? Don't expect the impossible.

Guest
08-03-2011, 06:39 PM
Expect Congress to vote for limits on the number of terms they can stay in those sweet, profitable jobs? Not possible.

"Term limits" done by us, simply not re-electing ANYONE...yeah, that's possible.

NEVER, EVER VOTE FOR AN INCJMBENT!

Guest
08-03-2011, 07:02 PM
Expect Congress to vote for limits on the number of terms they can stay in those sweet, profitable jobs? Not possible.

"Term limits" done by us, simply not re-electing ANYONE...yeah, that's possible.

NEVER, EVER VOTE FOR AN INCJMBENT!

VK...you always say NEVER vote for an incumbent !!!!

Many of your posts hint at your vote for President Obama....mentioning that you need to assess the opponent, etc.

Would you consider NOT voting for President in the very likely event that you do not like his opponent or do you waive your rule ?

Guest
08-03-2011, 08:04 PM
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

-- Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006



The level of hypocrisy is amazing.

Guest
08-04-2011, 04:33 AM
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

-- Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006



The level of hypocrisy is amazing.

Thank you. There is so much that on this forum and in the news is never discussed. Instead we talk about nut fringes or something like that.

Guest
08-04-2011, 06:32 AM
Let's not forget that, in the middle of that (between 2006 and now), proposals to increase revenues (allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire) were torpedoed last year.

Interesting that the cuts expired two years after the end of Bush's last possible time in office. Not saying there's a conspiracy - but if they'd expired BEFORE the GOP/TeaParty took back the house, do you think they all would have been kept? Certainly not the rates for those making $250K and up.

Once Obama lost THAT fight, my personal opinion is that the Republicans smelled blood in the water and he (the President) didn't have a chance in the debt-ceiling fight. Not when the debt ceiling was slated to be hit just months later.

Guest
08-04-2011, 09:21 AM
Thank you. There is so much that on this forum and in the news is never discussed. Instead we talk about nut fringes or something like that.

You could write a book about things Obama has said that was just a lie or half-truth but is never called out for it because the media is infatuated with this empty suit.

Look how they cover-up for Joe Biden. Dan Quale gets persecuted for one word and Biden can call regular citizens "terrorists".

Guest
08-04-2011, 02:45 PM
You could write a book about things Obama has said that was just a lie or half-truth but is never called out for it because the media is infatuated with this empty suit.

Look how they cover-up for Joe Biden. Dan Quale gets persecuted for one word and Biden can call regular citizens "terrorists".OK, you and Bucco don't like President Obama and won't vote for him. Got it!

Now, how do you feel about the people who actually spend the money, make the laws, create the regulations, and set the tone for how this country is governed...the 535 members of the U.S. Congress?

These are the people that by far have done the most damage to the U.S. economy and our reputation. As of this afternoon, the financial markets seem to agree. After watching the agonizing incompetence in Washington for the last month or so, the markets have de-valued all the stocks and bonds held in American's investment and savings accounts by about 10% in less than two weeks. That amount of lost wealth is a multiple of the amount that might have been paid if taxes on the wealthiest Americans were increased, unjustified corporate tax benefits eliminated and the tax code re-written. But one caucus and one political party refused to even discuss these possibilities.

Corporations are profitable and awash with cash. Individuals, those that have jobs at least, are in similar shape, with personal debt down and savings accounts up. But the corporations aren't investing and the individuals aren't spending. The growth of U.S. GDP is edging towards zero. There is nothing on the horizon that suggests that U.S. economic activity will do anything other than continue to loll around zero growth. That will lead us fairly certainly into a double-dip recession.

It's pretty clear that the Republicans will argue that this can be fixed by the private sector, even though it's not happening. And the Democrats will argue that more stimulus is needed, even though we can't afford it. Looks like another stalemate.

Why are corporations and individuals so unwilling to spend? The answer is quite clear--they have no confidence in the stability of the factors that effect the U.S. economy. Those things--interest rates, tax rates, regulations, new laws effecting business--are all in control of the Congress.

Oh, I'm sorry, I erred a little in what I said above. There's one segment of the U.S. population who are spending like there's no tomorrow--the wealthiest 1-2%. Their recent spending on luxury goods, fancy cars, jewelry and travel are at record levels. The retailers and companies who sell that stuff are also having record years financially. Is there something wrong with this picture? Wanna see how the "job creators" are living? Read this....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/business/sales-of-luxury-goods-are-recovering-strongly.html?_r=1&hpw

And where is our Congress? On a five-week vacation. They left without agreeing on funding the FAA, throwing tens of thousands out of work, bollixing up air travel and foregoing over a billion dollars in tax revenues until they get back, do their vacation show-and-tells, and maybe begin to do the people's work again.

Guest
08-04-2011, 05:58 PM
OK, you and Bucco don't like President Obama and won't vote for him. Got it!

Now, how do you feel about the people who actually spend the money, make the laws, create the regulations, and set the tone for how this country is governed...the 535 members of the U.S. Congress?

These are the people that by far have done the most damage to the U.S. economy and our reputation. As of this afternoon, the financial markets seem to agree. After watching the agonizing incompetence in Washington for the last month or so, the markets have de-valued all the stocks and bonds held in American's investment and savings accounts by about 10% in less than two weeks. That amount of lost wealth is a multiple of the amount that might have been paid if taxes on the wealthiest Americans were increased, unjustified corporate tax benefits eliminated and the tax code re-written. But one caucus and one political party refused to even discuss these possibilities.

Corporations are profitable and awash with cash. Individuals, those that have jobs at least, are in similar shape, with personal debt down and savings accounts up. But the corporations aren't investing and the individuals aren't spending. The growth of U.S. GDP is edging towards zero. There is nothing on the horizon that suggests that U.S. economic activity will do anything other than continue to loll around zero growth. That will lead us fairly certainly into a double-dip recession.

It's pretty clear that the Republicans will argue that this can be fixed by the private sector, even though it's not happening. And the Democrats will argue that more stimulus is needed, even though we can't afford it. Looks like another stalemate.

Why are corporations and individuals so unwilling to spend? The answer is quite clear--they have no confidence in the stability of the factors that effect the U.S. economy. Those things--interest rates, tax rates, regulations, new laws effecting business--are all in control of the Congress.

Oh, I'm sorry, I erred a little in what I said above. There's one segment of the U.S. population who are spending like there's no tomorrow--the wealthiest 1-2%. Their recent spending on luxury goods, fancy cars, jewelry and travel are at record levels. The retailers and companies who sell that stuff are also having record years financially. Is there something wrong with this picture? Wanna see how the "job creators" are living? Read this....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/business/sales-of-luxury-goods-are-recovering-strongly.html?_r=1&hpw

And where is our Congress? On a five-week vacation. They left without agreeing on funding the FAA, throwing tens of thousands out of work, bollixing up air travel and foregoing over a billion dollars in tax revenues until they get back, do their vacation show-and-tells, and maybe begin to do the people's work again.

To be clear...I make no excuses for those idiots in congress of either party and never ever have. I was responding to the continuing lying and deceit from this WH before, during and after the crisis. It just seems to be tolerated for some unknown reason.

Could he have made a difference...dont know..would have been nice to have a President who tried and he DID NOT, despite what the party hacks tell you. His life is just one after another like this but no call from anyone !

There is NO excuse for congress and I am offering none and while you continue with the class warfare talk..which amazes me...instead of the politically correct statements...help your fellow man, etc....lets get real...lets actually decide who is getting a FREE ride and paying nothing...lets talk about WHO IS PAYING the tab. I am not rich, not even in the ball park...I give to charity and want to help anyone who needs it but now I am shutting down...seeing too much fraud, and to your point...nobody in congress will do anything about it....I am now past the point where my heart will open because folks get on here or otherwise preach the class warfare. I am tired of the politically correct.

Read about the doggone fight over the airport stuff....funding being withheld for all because one party called the other on their doggone fat being built in and the elongaged and extended use of money well beyond the original intention. If it doesnt start with these battles, where do we start ? Dont tell me how small that cut would be...MAKE IT..then another, etc. Instead of all the class warfare talk lets get busy.

Guest
08-04-2011, 06:07 PM
To be clear...I make no excuses for those idiots in congress of either party and never ever have. I was responding to the continuing lying and deceit from this WH before, during and after the crisis. It just seems to be tolerated for some unknown reason.

Could he have made a difference...dont know..would have been nice to have a President who tried and he DID NOT, despite what the party hacks tell you. His life is just one after another like this but no call from anyone !

There is NO excuse for congress and I am offering none and while you continue with the class warfare talk..which amazes me...instead of the politically correct statements...help your fellow man, etc....lets get real...lets actually decide who is getting a FREE ride and paying nothing...lets talk about WHO IS PAYING the tab. I am not rich, not even in the ball park...I give to charity and want to help anyone who needs it but now I am shutting down...seeing too much fraud, and to your point...nobody in congress will do anything about it....I am now past the point where my heart will open because folks get on here or otherwise preach the class warfare. I am tired of the politically correct.

Read about the doggone fight over the airport stuff....funding being withheld for all because one party called the other on their doggone fat being built in and the elongaged and extended use of money well beyond the original intention. If it doesnt start with these battles, where do we start ? Dont tell me how small that cut would be...MAKE IT..then another, etc. Instead of all the class warfare talk lets get busy.There's no one in Washington in elected office who has earned the right to be returned to that position in the next election. Will a whole new group be better...who knows? But it's pretty clear that the group that's there now can't be called "government"...not even remotely.

Guest
08-04-2011, 08:41 PM
There's no one in Washington in elected office who has earned the right to be returned to that position in the next election. Will a whole new group be better...who knows? But it's pretty clear that the group that's there now can't be called "government"...not even remotely.

I think that many that won this last election will be our hope. We need to elect more Tea Party people to our congress.