With all that's been going on lately....

[angiefox10]

A 15 year old girl holds hands with her 1 year old son. People call her a slut, no one knows she was raped at 13. People call another Guy fat. No one knows he has a serious disease causing him to be overweight . People call an old man ugly. No one knew he had a serious injury to his face while fighting for our country in the war.


Think before you judge.....

[Trish Crocker]

I agree..it's way too easy to make a judgement without knowing the facts.

[IAMDMRAE]

I hate to admit it but you make some good points. There are exceptions to the rules. Just not that many.

[skyguy79]

A 15 year old girl holds hands with her 1 year old son. People call her a slut, no one knows she was raped at 13. People call another Guy fat. No one knows he has a serious disease causing him to be overweight . People call an old man ugly. No one knew he had a serious injury to his face while fighting for our country in the war.


Think before you judge.....
You're 'right on' Angie, and as for the second one, it's more that disease per se that can be a contributing factor in weight problems. I know, because I fit into that catagory on both the name calling and the cause! However, I must say that those I've met in person or confided in about my problem, have been nothing but wonderful to me despite it! Must be that TV friendlyness that's talked about... so far at least!

[momesu]

? OK and this has what to do with anything we might care about?

I hope you are not serious.....if you are I'm sorry.

[RichieLion]

Years ago, a nice fellow who ran the shipping & receiving dept. of a gear company my trucking company did a lot of business with was often teased about the awful toupee he wore. I never did participate in that, since his was an important account of my company and it's not my thing to mock people like that, but I admit, I didn't stick up for him either.

Well, I found out later on after he was absent from his post for a while, that he was fighting cancer and that was the cause of his condition and he tried to maintain his dignity as best he could. He didn't live much longer after his absence from work. I never forgot this, and even though I never once participated in the "jokes", I still felt guilty for a long time.

[angiefox10]

? OK and this has what to do with anything we might care about?

Hi Big Lew... I posted this because there were some people coming on and posting mean spirited posts for no reason and making quick judgments. It is a reminder to all (including me) to be careful of what you post as it can be hurtful.

Clearly this doesn't apply to you, so not to worry....

Hey Skyguy79... Remember that trick you taught me??? I found just the place to use it! :highfive:

[angiefox10]

Years ago, a nice fellow who ran the shipping & receiving dept. of a gear company my trucking company did a lot of business with was often teased about the awful toupee he wore. I never did participate in that, since his was an important account of my company and it's not my thing to mock people like that, but I admit, I didn't stick up for him either.

Well, I found out later on after he was absent from his post for a while, that he was fighting cancer and that was the cause of his condition and he tried to maintain his dignity as best he could. He didn't live much longer after his absence from work. I never forgot this, and even though I never once participated in the "jokes", I still felt guilty for a long time.

Thanks... That was powerful!

[skyguy79]

Hi Big Lew... I posted this because there were some people coming on and posting mean spirited posts for no reason and making quick judgments. It is a reminder to all (including me) to be careful of what you post as it can be hurtful.

Clearly this doesn't apply to you, so not to worry....

Hey Skyguy79... Remember that trick you taught me??? I found just the place to use it! :highfive:Unfortunately I've forgotten. PM me a reminder!

[jeffy]

Thank you for the great post. I loved it.

"think before you judge" is a great way to live your life.

jeffy

[gmcneill]

Hi Big Lew... I posted this because there were some people coming on and posting mean spirited posts for no reason and making quick judgments. It is a reminder to all (including me) to be careful of what you post as it can be hurtful.

Clearly this doesn't apply to you, so not to worry....

Hey Skyguy79... Remember that trick you taught me??? I found just the place to use it! :highfive:

Angie: remember last month when I posted that you are one of the TOTVers whom I would prefer to not cross? The above post is an example why.
You said a lot w/out saying much. Well done.

[angiefox10]

Angie: remember last month when I posted that you are one of the TOTVers whom I would prefer to not cross? The above post is an example why.
You said a lot w/out saying much. Well done.

But I was being kind.... :D

[jebartle]

We could all learn from your story!



Years ago, a nice fellow who ran the shipping & receiving dept. of a gear company my trucking company did a lot of business with was often teased about the awful toupee he wore. I never did participate in that, since his was an important account of my company and it's not my thing to mock people like that, but I admit, I didn't stick up for him either.

Well, I found out later on after he was absent from his post for a while, that he was fighting cancer and that was the cause of his condition and he tried to maintain his dignity as best he could. He didn't live much longer after his absence from work. I never forgot this, and even though I never once participated in the "jokes", I still felt guilty for a long time.

[salpal]

I read a story once where the writer was in a hospital waiting room and was annoyed at a bunch of rowdy children. The writer choose not to say anything but the longer it went on, the more impatient he became. Finally, a man came into the waiting room and whispered to him:

"I'm sorry my children have been so noisy. Their Mother just died and I am trying to figure out how to tell them."

[BigLew]

Hi Big Lew... I posted this because there were some people coming on and posting mean spirited posts for no reason and making quick judgments. It is a reminder to all (including me) to be careful of what you post as it can be hurtful.

Clearly this doesn't apply to you, so not to worry....

Hey Skyguy79... Remember that trick you taught me??? I found just the place to use it! :highfive:

especially when you are using snide comments! Skyguy when you find out the trick reevaluate angie's comments above and see if I'm not right.
As it was you were all quick to judge me after I questioned the appearance of an otherwise meaningless standalone post, angie = let she without sin cast the first comment chiloutchilout

[golf4me]

The old owners would have warned or banned someone for less than what was written on this thread.

[RichieLion]

Is it just that I'm kind of dense, sometimes? I have no idea what's behind all the bottled up hostility that's underlying in this thread.

[skyguy79]

Hi Big Lew... I posted this because there were some people coming on and posting mean spirited posts for no reason and making quick judgments. It is a reminder to all (including me) to be careful of what you post as it can be hurtful.

Clearly this doesn't apply to you, so not to worry....

Hey Skyguy79... Remember that trick you taught me??? I found just the place to use it! :highfive:

Unfortunately I've forgotten. PM me a reminder!

especially when you are using snide comments! Skyguy when you find out the trick reevaluate angie's comments above and see if I'm not right.
As it was you were all quick to judge me after I questioned the appearance of an otherwise meaningless standalone post, angie = let she without sin cast the first comment chiloutchiloutBigLew, when I first read Angie's post, my thought was that this comment doesn't sound like Angie.

I then posed the "trick" question to her via PM for clearification. When I received a response explaining, I found out that it was not actually a trick she was referring to, but rather my earlier suggestion made to all, that if one does not like the posting of another and it bothers them, they can alway use the "ignore" feature of the site. When I made it I had just "ignored" someone because they in my opinion fit into that catagory.

Now I can't speak for her, but from what she stated to me in the 3 PM's we shared, it is my sincere belief that this was simply an attempt at humor gone wrong and that she had not intended on hurting you. Also, I'm not sure that the "trick" question was part of what was directed at you or part of that attempt at humor... or if it was a separate statement telling me that she found the place where where she could place an "ignore" on someone. If it was the latter, it probably should have been made in an unrelated post or in a PM.

I hope Angie will will make an appropriate respond about this (if she hasn't while I'm preparing this response) and explain for herself!

[skyguy79]

Is it just that I'm kind of dense, sometimes? I have no idea what's behind all the bottled up hostility that's underlying in this thread.Richie, I'm going to prepare and send you a PM with my opinion about this because I believe that at this point, public discussion would only serve to regenerate the discourse that's gone on and make things even worse!

[angiefox10]

It was truly all meant in humor. I was making light of the first post and joking to Skyguy79. I would NEVER say or do anything to harm anyone on this thread.... That being said... I am also leaving this forum. I have met some wonderful people here and I also am on FB if you want to be friends. Thanks for the good times. I truly mean it! :thumbup:

[angiefox10]

One more thing... I'm sorry if I hurt anyone... and be kind....

[RichieLion]

It was truly all meant in humor. I was making light of the first post and joking to Skyguy79. I would NEVER say or do anything to harm anyone on this thread.... That being said... I am also leaving this forum. I have met some wonderful people here and I also am on FB if you want to be friends. Thanks for the good times. I truly mean it! :thumbup:

Angie, please don't go because of one little bump in the road. Your posts are always fun and interesting and whatever has just happened will pass. Maybe, just take a break and then come back with your light hearted but well thought out posts. I hope you will, and if you don't I will be one who misses reading you.

[PylutDood]

...ya'll done gone and dunnit now !!!

I've been on this forum for a few months now and as a rule I stay out of "Testy" threads but...

Since I have been on the forum I've had one...ONE "Be My Friend" request and it was from Angie. (no, I'am not "pouting" I'am going to make a point).

I'am going to go and find my friend. I'am going to apologize to her FOR
AND ON BEHALF of those that do not seem to be able to themselves. I'am going to do my best to convince them to return if they so desire.

There has been a LOTS of very nice people I have greatly enjoyed communicating with via this wonderful forum.

For the VERY FEW...that seem to have a "Burr under their blanket" need to get up and walk away from the computer when they feel that way.

I'am going to go and find my friend, then we're going to find Gracie and anybody else we can !

PylutDood ( wondering why cant we ALL be friends) Dave

[skyguy79]

Angie, please don't go because of one little bump in the road. Your posts are always fun and interesting and whatever has just happened will pass. Maybe, just take a break and then come back with your light hearted but well thought out posts. I hope you will, and if you don't I will be one who misses reading you.http://s.onlineshoes.com/images/bl_logo_metoo.gif

[PylutDood]

...but have you ever noticed how close the name "Angie" is to...Angel ?

Just one little, teeny weeny letter off but close enough.

Same thing with "Gracie". Awfully close to Grace...as in

"And the Lord rained down His grace and mercy and His people were restored".

Just drop the "I" (you know, as in the ME ME ME attitude of some people) and there you go. You have "Grace". I ask, do you deserve Grace?

No we dont but are truly blessed with her presence and we truly miss her without it.

Same thing with Angie...errr...I mean Angel.

PylutDood (has left the pulpit) Dave

[Pturner]

To me, TOTV has been such a warm and welcoming place, where lively debate and disagreement take place but people are mostly nice to each other in the open Forums, if not always in the opt-in Poli forum, although there are some good people there.

Please, please everyone: posting comments that simply put someone down is not nice. Not naming who is being dissed-- but making it very clear who by coded reference-- doesn't make it any nicer.

Similarly, putting down an entire class of posters (i.e., frequent posters or long-time posters or new posters), is another form of bigotry, is it not? We can't all be that bad.

Let's express our opinions about topics, without making unkind remarks about each other. This is what has always separated TOTV from other discussion boards. We can do this.

My squirt gun is aimed at the reset button. Please help me push it. The codes are:


Start fresh
Forgive and forget. (Give those of us you dislike a second chance.)
If you've left: return, forgive, reset. (Russ? GG? Others?) Please help us squirt down the code words on the reset button.

Please?

Oh dear,
I had posted this an another forum and see that it would apply here too. Please help with the reset. OK?

[2BNTV]

One more thing... I'm sorry if I hurt anyone... and be kind....

Angie: Please don't go. We just became friends and I think you are witty and funny. I know you wouldn't hurt anyone.

I'm begging you, please, please stay.

My mom always use to say, "it doesn't cost nothing ot be nice", and you are. :)

[SALYBOW]

? OK and this has what to do with anything we might care about?

I am trying to figure out what exactly you meant by this. It could not possibly be what it sounds like to me. No one would say anything that callous. Help me here please.

[FMF Doc]

? OK and this has what to do with anything we might care about?

OK and YOUR post has what to do with anything the rest of us might care about?

You want we should submit all posts to you to see if you approve or not?

[gmcneill]

especially when you are using snide comments! Skyguy when you find out the trick reevaluate angie's comments above and see if I'm not right.
As it was you were all quick to judge me after I questioned the appearance of an otherwise meaningless standalone post, angie = let she without sin cast the first comment chiloutchilout

BigLew: I do not intend to further inflame the issue, but I also inferred a very negative connotation from your initial post. The post struck me as being blatantly contrarian to Angie's message in particular, and to the recent wishes to return to civility expressed by many posters.

You state above that you questioned the appearance of an otherwise meaningless standalone post. OK, I accept your word at face value and I APOLOGIZE for my poor behavior by complimenting Angie for her response to you. My apology is sincere.

An observation: if your question was posed a bit less pointedly, maybe written something along the lines of, "I don't quite understand your message, Angie. Would you clarify your intent?", I know that I would have interpreted your intonation differently. I presume that Angie and others would've also.

Angie: I agree with other posters...no quitting just because you hit a bump in the road. So you're not perfect..oh well. None of us will blow your cover to Oren (I recall that Oren stated sometime in the past that he is married to you...if not OOOPS! Sorry). Dust yourself off and get back here right now! If not, we will miss your humor and your various Betty Boop avatars!

PTurner: Your reset idea is the perfect solution. A reset could serve as a re-callibration of TOTV as we collectively learn and grow from the pains of the past few weeks.

One thing that sets TOTV apart from most other forums is that its 18000 or so members- posters and lurkers all- have one unifying thing in common: almost all of us want to live here and all of us have a deep interest in what goes on here.

Consequently, TOTV creates a familial connection between and among its members. The strength of that connection often grows into lasting friendships through meet & greets, crispers monthly reunions, and social activities.

I concur with sentiments of other posters in the other current and kind of related post: Let's get everyone back, push reset for all of the dark, bad, and negative recent occurrences, and move forward.

Reset...another word for a "do-over" which is what my non-golfer friends call a mulligan...mulligan, the perfect word for TOTV.

I call a muilligan...anyone else?

[jojo]

Well said. :BigApplause:

[BigLew]

OK and YOUR post has what to do with anything the rest of us might care about?

You want we should submit all posts to you to see if you approve or not?

now aren't you ashamed for judging? you along with the rest of the self-righteous corps have proved to be the model for the type of behavior she was posting about....shame on you!

my response had only to do with the non-contextual properties of the post...how quickly I was flamed by the poster and others talking of banning etc.
be fruitful and multiply unto thyself...but not in those words!
chilout

PS I would love a mulligan with Angie but not some of you other judgmental flamers!

[Oren L Miller]

? OK and this has what to do with anything we might care about?

I do not understand why you had to make your post. Angie tries to be funny. Ever comedian I have ever heard has jokes and comments that fly and some that don't. At best she was reminding us all to be nice to others. Obviously, you didn't get that. Why couldn't you just be nice? My mother taught me at a young age if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. You might try that. At least consider being nice to other people. It might make you feel good about yourself. TV is supposed to be the friendliest city in the world. Making comments like "ok and this has to do with anything" is not nice. It isn't responsible. It isn't polite. It isn't endearing. It isn't considerate. Never miss a good chance to shut up: Will Rogers. If you don't have something nice to say - just be quiet: My mother. You don't need to insult others to feel good about yourself - Do you? :censored:

[FMF Doc]

now aren't you ashamed for judging? you along with the rest of the self-righteous corps have proved to be the model for the type of behavior she was posting about....shame on you!

my response had only to do with the non-contextual properties of the post...how quickly I was flamed by the poster and others talking of banning etc.
be fruitful and multiply unto thyself...but not in those words!
chilout

PS I would love a mulligan with Angie but not some of you other judgmental flamers!

Judging? I just asked you two questions.

Toodles.

[Oren L Miller]

Please come back. :thumbup:

[RichieLion]

now aren't you ashamed for judging? you along with the rest of the self-righteous corps have proved to be the model for the type of behavior she was posting about....shame on you!

my response had only to do with the non-contextual properties of the post...how quickly I was flamed by the poster and others talking of banning etc.
be fruitful and multiply unto thyself...but not in those words!
chilout

PS I would love a mulligan with Angie but not some of you other judgmental flamers!

It's bugging me that I have no idea what you're talking about in this thread. I can't figure out why you are furious with everybody. I guess it's really not important in the scheme of things, but...........gee.

[TOTV Team]

One post pruned and deleted from this thread and others addressed privately.

[duffysmom]

Admin my sincere thanks....:BigApplause:

[gmcneill]

One post pruned and deleted from this thread and others addressed privately.

Not knowing what it is that you did, I thank you none the less.

I am surprised, though, that you did not edit or outright delete a post that told people to...how can I delicately say this...go fish themselves. At least that is how I interpreted the remark.

[Oren L Miller]

Admin my sincere thanks....:BigApplause:

:agree:

[sunflower3630]

Once again, thank you Admin.

I am heartbroken at the hurt feelings that have been experienced the past several days. How can we lose such wonderful posters as Gracie, Angie and Russ? Please, you three, please come back. Believe me, there are hundreds of us out here in cyberspace who love you and want you back!! Let's just ignore the negativity and hopefully it will go away.

[eweissenbach]

It's bugging me that I have no idea what you're talking about in this thread. I can't figure out why you are furious with everybody. I guess it's really not important in the scheme of things, but...........gee.

I'm with you on this one Richie. A lot of anger over nothing!

[eweissenbach]

I have never understood, nor will I ever understand why some people find it necessary to make snide comments about another person's post. Read it if you must, comment upon it if you have something substantive to add, and if you don't follow it or think it is beneath your contempt - move on. As I have posted before, it is very easy to be misunderstood or misinterpreted on a message board. Nuance and context are not always readily evident in a brief written statement, especially if the writer is attempting satire or irony.

[KittyKat]

I have never understood, nor will I ever understand why some people find it necessary to make snide comments about another person's post. Read it if you must, comment upon it if you have something substantive to add, and if you don't follow it or think it is beneath your contempt - move on. As I have posted before, it is very easy to be misunderstood or misinterpreted on a message board. Nuance and context are not always readily evident in a brief written statement, especially if the writer is attempting satire or irony.

I agree. If BigLew didn't understand or like the thread he could have just moved on to the next thread. Why post something snotty? Like Thumper said, "My mother said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."

[ilovetv]

A 15 year old girl holds hands with her 1 year old son. People call her a slut, no one knows she was raped at 13. People call another Guy fat. No one knows he has a serious disease causing him to be overweight . People call an old man ugly. No one knew he had a serious injury to his face while fighting for our country in the war.

Think before you judge.....



From the first time I read this post, I wondered why you did not state the problem, but instead spoke in parables.

The lack of context makes this very hard to understand.

I wondered, "Did somebody here call a 15 year old girl and slut? Did somebody here call a guy "fat"? Did somebody call a war-injured veteran "ugly"? It all sounds pretty nasty.

[golf4me]

I don't think this is the post that people were upset by, I love tv.

[GeorgeT]

From the first time I read this post, I wondered why you did not state the problem, but instead spoke in parables.

The lack of context makes this very hard to understand.

I wondered, "Did somebody here call a 15 year old girl and slut? Did somebody here call a guy "fat"? Did somebody call a war-injured veteran "ugly"? It all sounds pretty nasty.

It's obvious (at least to me) what angie is talking about. There are many judgmental people on this earth. Some attack individually and some attack in packs. To me, the ones that attack in packs are worse because they feed off of each other and then back each other up to make the attacked person feel worthless and/or angry. It's not a good feeling to be in the position to have to defend yourself against the pack.
If someone says something inappropriate and it's to an individual then it's up to that individual to respond, instead the whole pack attacks and the the thread loses it's meaning then nobody knows what the fight is about anymore. There are a lot of very intelligent people on this site and just as many who love to hear themselves talk while saying nothing. These people tend to fuel the fire.

[Jim Straz]

It's obvious (at least to me) what angie is talking about. There are many judgmental people on this earth. Some attack individually and some attack in packs. To me, the ones that attack in packs are worse because they feed off of each other and then back each other up to make the attacked person feel worthless and/or angry. It's not a good feeling to be in the position to have to defend yourself against the pack.
If someone says something inappropriate and it's to an individual then it's up to that individual to respond, instead the whole pack attacks and the the thread loses it's meaning then nobody knows what the fight is about anymore. There are a lot of very intelligent people on this site and just as many who love to hear themselves talk while saying nothing. These people tend to fuel the fire.
Amen! I think there's the possibility, however remote, that if 50 people on this forum put their arms out a window on a rainy day only about 38 of them would agree their arms even got wet. Just a thought!

[l2ridehd]

Hummmmmmmmmm, maybe some folks should be banned to the political forum where hate and discontent abound. Punishment here could be your banned to political and have to make 100 posts before you can return. :D

Pturner, Richie, a few others, all good and sound non judgmental input.

Angie, hurry back, we miss you. Same for Russ and Gracie.

[BigLew]

From the first time I read this post, I wondered why you did not state the problem, but instead spoke in parables.

The lack of context makes this very hard to understand.

I wondered, "Did somebody here call a 15 year old girl and slut? Did somebody here call a guy "fat"? Did somebody call a war-injured veteran "ugly"? It all sounds pretty nasty.

Exactly right!

[TOTV Team]

This thread is now closed. We will be addressing privately some concerns with users.