Time seems right for Gov. Rick Perry.

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Figmo in another thread is skeptical about supporting a candidate from Texas. Meaning no disrespect, I think that opinion which I have heard from others, is short sighted.

Gov. Perry has a great story, comes from a solid All-American family with values to match, and seems to have been bred and nurtured to take on this job while all the while doing all the right things.

Unlike our inexperienced current President who was raised in exotic locales outside the U.S. and spent all his life in academia and in Democrat controlled cities, Gov. Perry was born and raised in the heartland of America and spent his life loving God and country.

The clincher for me in the upcoming elections is that Gov. Perry, unlike almost every other contender, has a charisma and ability to translate his goal of a return to American greatness that has not been on display in this country for a long, long time. I relish a debate between this man and Obama.

Take the time to read this excellent article from the U.K.'s Telegraph that tells the story better than I can. Leave it to the Brits to have a headline that's a little regrettable when it concerns U.S. government, but they have their own traditions and sense of drama.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8694278/Rick-Perry-the-Paint-Creek-boy-who-would-be-king.html

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Perry is a better choice than lots of the other GOPs but I am not sure if an evangelical is what we should want as President. Remember, the President is a secular leader and not a spiritural leader of the country.

What is am really enjoying, however, is the sniping between Michelle Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty. Shows a big fracture in the uber-conservatives.

Well, I guess it will be easier to read about politics on the forum with an ice-cold Yeungling in my hand.

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Now we disagree Richie. I feel he is to radical. We need a level head for a change.

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I like Perry because he is deeply rooted in this nation and its people and what made us a great nation: humble roots, work ethic and common sense, and knowing what the status of "bankruptcy" brings when trying to "help" the less fortunate all around us. (How can a bankrupt enterprise HIRE and pay people?!!?!??)

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Perry is a better choice than lots of the other GOPs but I am not sure if an evangelical is what we should want as President. Remember, the President is a secular leader and not a spiritural leader of the country.

What is am really enjoying, however, is the sniping between Michelle Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty. Shows a big fracture in the uber-conservatives.

Well, I guess it will be easier to read about politics on the forum with an ice-cold Yeungling in my hand.

I hear you Buggy, and we'll have to discuss this in more detail with that aforementioned Yeungling. I'm sure we will :thumbup:

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Now we disagree Richie. I feel he is to radical. We need a level head for a change.

There's nothing radical about Gov. Perry unless you consider his love for God and country to be radical. He believes in private business creating jobs, and in people picking themselves up by their own bootstraps and working for their own future.

I have no fear of a true believer in the Judeo-Christian values that formed the basis for our Constitution, which is the second greatest work of written greatness in the history of man. The first being the Bible itself.

A President who believes in a power greater than himself can't be a bad thing.

Tell me what you think is radical about Gov. Perry.

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Figmo in another thread is skeptical about supporting a candidate from Texas. Meaning no disrespect, I think that opinion which I have heard from others, is short sighted.

Gov. Perry has a great story, comes from a solid All-American family with values to match, and seems to have been bred and nurtured to take on this job while all the while doing all the right things.

Unlike our inexperienced current President who was raised in exotic locales outside the U.S. and spent all his life in academia and in Democrat controlled cities, Gov. Perry was born and raised in the heartland of America and spent his life loving God and country.

The clincher for me in the upcoming elections is that Gov. Perry, unlike almost every other contender, has a charisma and ability to translate his goal of a return to American greatness that has not been on display in this country for a long, long time. I relish a debate between this man and Obama.

Take the time to read this excellent article from the U.K.'s Telegraph that tells the story better than I can. Leave it to the Brits to have a headline that's a little regrettable when it concerns U.S. government, but they have their own traditions and sense of drama.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8694278/Rick-Perry-the-Paint-Creek-boy-who-would-be-king.html

Richielion: Now that Perry has committed to run be ready for the the opposition to dig up dirt.

I just read a story in WSJ concerning Gov Rick Perry's inititative for job creation called the "The Emerging Techonolgy Fund" with charges of cronisms.
Perry would be best to explain what some are calling an appearance of impropriety.

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Okay, Rubicon and Richie, here goes with the first dirt on Rick Perry - and he might want to secede after trying to explain how this creates jobs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-welcomed-chinese-firm-despite-security-concern/2011/08/10/gIQAAu80EJ_story.html?hpid=z1

Just the beginning, guys. I am sure the (dare I say it) the liberal press will find a lot more.

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I watched and listened to Rick Perry's speech when he announced his run for the presidency. I was very impressed with his passion, his ability to smoothly deliver a speech, and what seemed to me to be a genuine love of country.

I also mentioned to my wife that it was refreshing to see someone (fill in blank) not have to keep flipping his head back and forth like he was watching a tennis match, and was able to look his crowd in the eyes.

This is going to be interesting. I haven't seen this much chrisma since Reagan. Poor Romney. The contrast is going to be telling.

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Okay, Rubicon and Richie, here goes with the first dirt on Rick Perry - and he might want to secede after trying to explain how this creates jobs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-welcomed-chinese-firm-despite-security-concern/2011/08/10/gIQAAu80EJ_story.html?hpid=z1

Just the beginning, guys. I am sure the (dare I say it) the liberal press will find a lot more.

Funny how the liberal press can dig up dirt when it conveniences them. If they had done their job during the last presidential election, we would not have this sorry excuse of a president called Barack Hussein Obama.

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"While Perry focused on Huawei’s ability to create jobs in a sluggish economy, national security experts in both the George W. Bush and Obama administrations had concluded that the global telecom giant poses a potential cybersecurity risk to U.S. military and businesses. Three times since 2008, a U.S. government security panel has blocked Huawei from acquiring or partnering with U.S. companies because of concerns that secrets could be leaked to China’s government or military."

Question:

Is the Texas or any other governor supposed to take on the role and responsibilities of the CIA before making agreements with foreign businesses to come to his state??

It says above that "national security experts....had concluded....". If it took national security experts to find this out, why is a state governor to blame for the findings of "experts"??

I doubt this holds water.

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"While Perry focused on Huawei’s ability to create jobs in a sluggish economy, national security experts in both the George W. Bush and Obama administrations had concluded that the global telecom giant poses a potential cybersecurity risk to U.S. military and businesses. Three times since 2008, a U.S. government security panel has blocked Huawei from acquiring or partnering with U.S. companies because of concerns that secrets could be leaked to China’s government or military."

Question:

Is the Texas or any other governor supposed to take on the role and responsibilities of the CIA before making agreements with foreign businesses to come to his state??

It says above that "national security experts....had concluded....". If it took national security experts to find this out, why is a state governor to blame for the findings of "experts"??

I doubt this holds water.

Well stated but if you are the opposition based on today's mores' truth and fact are supercede by a desire to destroy.

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Okay, Rubicon and Richie, here goes with the first dirt on Rick Perry - and he might want to secede after trying to explain how this creates jobs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-welcomed-chinese-firm-despite-security-concern/2011/08/10/gIQAAu80EJ_story.html?hpid=z1

Just the beginning, guys. I am sure the (dare I say it) the liberal press will find a lot more.

Wait........(guffaw)........wait...........(snicke r).........wait.......are you......(hmmph)............pointing to a criticism by former President George W. Bush as your source for trouble with a Chinese owned firm opening up for business in Texas.........you.........citing G.W.?..................this is too good, Buggy.......I need a glass of water.:)

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Go for that glass of bar brand bourbon, my friend. If a former president is critical of a fellow Republican it cannot be a good thing.

Mighty sad day when a Texas governor is proud to have a Chinese mega-firm in Texas.

Well, there will be a lot more coming on Flip-Flop Perry. He will not be the GOP candidate for president. Too much baggage.

Writing of Reagan having charisma is too far reaching. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Of course, he could deliver a good speech. In order to be a good politician, a person has to be a good speaker. You will not find a stutterer holding public office. Of course, when George W Bush did not have a prepared speech on his teleprompter, he did stammer a whole lot.

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Isn't this the guy who threatened to secede from the union? that's a gret American alright. When the times get tough run!!!!!!

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Go for that glass of bar brand bourbon, my friend. If a former president is critical of a fellow Republican it cannot be a good thing.

Mighty sad day when a Texas governor is proud to have a Chinese mega-firm in Texas.

Well, there will be a lot more coming on Flip-Flop Perry. He will not be the GOP candidate for president. Too much baggage.

Writing of Reagan having charisma is too far reaching. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Of course, he could deliver a good speech. In order to be a good politician, a person has to be a good speaker. You will not find a stutterer holding public office. Of course, when George W Bush did not have a prepared speech on his teleprompter, he did stammer a whole lot.

Reagan ran the biggest state in the union. Obama was a community organizer. Obama cannot say anything without his speech writers and his teleprompter.

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Go for that glass of bar brand bourbon, my friend. If a former president is critical of a fellow Republican it cannot be a good thing.

Mighty sad day when a Texas governor is proud to have a Chinese mega-firm in Texas.

Well, there will be a lot more coming on Flip-Flop Perry. He will not be the GOP candidate for president. Too much baggage.

Writing of Reagan having charisma is too far reaching. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Of course, he could deliver a good speech. In order to be a good politician, a person has to be a good speaker. You will not find a stutterer holding public office. Of course, when George W Bush did not have a prepared speech on his teleprompter, he did stammer a whole lot.

Stuttering??? You want to see a video of Hussein Obama without his teleprompter? He is the king of stuttering!!! LOL

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Go for that glass of bar brand bourbon, my friend. If a former president is critical of a fellow Republican it cannot be a good thing.

Mighty sad day when a Texas governor is proud to have a Chinese mega-firm in Texas.

Well, there will be a lot more coming on Flip-Flop Perry. He will not be the GOP candidate for president. Too much baggage.

Writing of Reagan having charisma is too far reaching. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Of course, he could deliver a good speech. In order to be a good politician, a person has to be a good speaker. You will not find a stutterer holding public office. Of course, when George W Bush did not have a prepared speech on his teleprompter, he did stammer a whole lot.

That is a Chinese firm opening up shop in the U.S. and providing American jobs, I think. You have a problem with Americans working for multi-national companies operating in the U.S.?

You gotta do better than that, good buddy:)

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Isn't this the guy who threatened to secede from the union? that's a gret American alright. When the times get tough run!!!!!!

Only for people who follow left wing propaganda and don't look at the facts of the story, is this a "real" issue.

A faction of the Texas Legislature, in a protest over Federal oversight, declared themselves willing to secede from the U.S. in a states rights issue.

When asked about this, Gov. Rick Perry said he could understand their anger over this federal oversight issue and see their point. He stopped short of endorsing secession.

I have no problem (REPEAT) I have no problem with a President who thinks that the federal government in too far immersed in the state's business, and by extension, in the people's business.

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I have no problem (REPEAT) I have no problem with a President who thinks that the federal government in too far immersed in the state's business, and by extension, in the people's business. :thumbup:

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I think everyone needs to slow down and research Perry if you don't think he is radical. He is more anti than pro on so many levels it is scary. Just because he fits into your small box of beliefs, try to consider the 250 million people that will not be welcome in that box. If you support Perry, your forgetting about the poor, the old, minorities, gay etc. etc. etc. I'm just saying. I support the things Perry stands for, but I also understand that the United States is made up of more than just Wealthy White Men. I am a Wealthy White Straight Man, but I just can't kick someone to the curb when they fall short of my accomplishments. I always refer my mind back to the Sermon on the Mount before condemning.

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I think everyone needs to slow down and research Perry if you don't think he is radical. He is more anti than pro on so many levels it is scary. Just because he fits into your small box of beliefs, try to consider the 250 million people that will not be welcome in that box. If you support Perry, your forgetting about the poor, the old, minorities, gay etc. etc. etc. I'm just saying. I support the things Perry stands for, but I also understand that the United States is made up of more than just Wealthy White Men. I am a Wealthy White Straight Man, but I just can't kick someone to the curb when they fall short of my accomplishments. I always refer my mind back to the Sermon on the Mount before condemning.

I would not sound the alarm bell just yet. Do you really think our present President represents all 320 million of us? What about the millions and millions of citizens that cannot find jobs because of Obama's policies? He is destroying our economy and that cannot be good for all of us.

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I think everyone needs to slow down and research Perry if you don't think he is radical. He is more anti than pro on so many levels it is scary. Just because he fits into your small box of beliefs, try to consider the 250 million people that will not be welcome in that box. If you support Perry, your forgetting about the poor, the old, minorities, gay etc. etc. etc. I'm just saying. I support the things Perry stands for, but I also understand that the United States is made up of more than just Wealthy White Men. I am a Wealthy White Straight Man, but I just can't kick someone to the curb when they fall short of my accomplishments. I always refer my mind back to the Sermon on the Mount before condemning.

Me thinks you're the one who needs to do some research and resist relying on your emotions like you do. We already have the most radical President in history in the White House.

You're a wealthy white straight man? Mozel tov!! Please don't indulge your guilt over that to demand that all people in the same "agony" surrender all their hard earned resources to prop up a failed entitlement culture that doesn't even address your "guilt" but makes a mockery of it.

How about donating your time to enable and encourage others to get off their slacker butts and work and labor to capture their own dream, where they will gain the same sense of satisfaction of reaping what they sow; just as you did. That will be much more satisfying than to just believe the government has a right to as much of your hard earned cash as they want to spread around for purposes that have nothing to do with your ideals.

You can still always just give your money to your dearest charity if you still have a need to do so.

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[QUOTE=RichieLion;382193]Me thinks you're the one who needs to do some research and resist relying on your emotions like you do. We already have the most radical President in history in the White House.

OK we agree with this statement, so what I am asking is not to go from far left radical to far right radical. Lets get someone elected that will work for the majority of Americans.

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I would not sound the alarm bell just yet. Do you really think our present President represents all 320 million of us? What about the millions and millions of citizens that cannot find jobs because of Obama's policies? He is destroying our economy and that cannot be good for all of us.

Your Right Villagegolfer, but to go to the extreme in the other direction does no good for the country, it only makes the other side mad. Lets elect someone to help the majority. I think the hard right is just as crazy as the hard left. Mitt stands in the middle and has a chance of winning. If we put all our money and energy into a Bachmann or Perry, we are just reelecting Obama for 4 more years.

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Taken from an article from:

The American Dream
Waking People Up And Getting Them To Realize That The American Dream Is Quickly Becoming The American Nightmare




The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president....

#1 Rick Perry is a "big government" politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore's campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year....

•  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

•  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

•  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

Rick Perry has a record that should make all Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents cringe.

He is not the "conservative Republican" that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of "RINOs" (Republicans in name only).

If Rick Perry becomes president, he will probably be very similar to George W. Bush. He will explode the size of the U.S. government and U.S. government debt, he will find sneaky ways to raise taxes, he will do nothing about the Federal Reserve or corruption in our financial system and he will push the agenda of the globalists at every turn.

Look, the truth is that another four years of Barack Obama would be a complete and total nightmare.

But so would four years of Rick Perry.

For the complete article here is the link http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president

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Look, the truth is that another four years of Barack Obama would be a complete and total nightmare.

But so would four years of Rick Perry.

For the complete article here is the link http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president

What he said.
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Once conservatives learn more about Perry, they will flee him in droves.
Just a few issues:
1988- He was Democratic State campaign manager for Al gore.
He was elected to Texas legislature as a democrat.
He supported instate tuition for illegal immigrants.
He issued an executive order requiring all 6th grade girls to be vaccinated for HPV with gardasil.. VERY controversial and opposed by conservatives:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/04/rick_perrys_gardasil_problem_110089.html
He now when he decides to run for president he admits he made a mistake on it.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/15/rick-perry-admits-mistake-on-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-decision/

It is claimed his record of job creation was the result of high oil prices and federal stimulus money.
Texas debt per citizen is very high.
And there are many other issues conservatives will not like on his record.
The shine on the new guy in town will dull rapidly.

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Too bad Obama wasn't investigated like you guys did Perry!!!! We wouldn't be in this mess, now.

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Too bad Obama wasn't investigated like you guys did Perry!!!! We wouldn't be in this mess, now.

He was looked at enough to uncover all kinds of dirt, but they elected him anyway. :mad:

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He was looked at enough to uncover all kinds of dirt, but they elected him anyway. :mad:

They pretty much kept the dirt to themselves. When Palin was picked by McCain to run with him, they sent thousands of investigative reporters to Alaska. If they did one tenth the job on Obama that they did to Palin, Obama would be just one unpleasant memory today.

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The Main Stream Media never once questioned anything about Obama. They questioned McCain on his birth in the Canal Zone. But he was considered a "Natural Born Citizen" because both his parents were US citizens and were ordered there by the US Government. According to the United States Constitution, anyone not born of two US citizens, exception, those that were there at the time the Constitution was adopted, are not considered "Natural Born Citizens." I don't see any media or court questions Obama's status as a "Natural Born Citizen." I do believe that he is a US citizen, but not a "Natural Born Citizen."

Having sais all that, he is the President, until something else happens, or 2012 gets him kick out of office. So until that time, we must work on defeating his agenda by keeping a close watch on our elected representatives and letting them know that if they don't do our wishes and do things that we want, they will be looking for another job come the next election, and mean it.

What usually happens, is that we, here in Florida, think that the Senator from Nevada is terrible and would not vote for him, but the folks in Nevada think that Harry Boy walks on water and is the best thing since toast, and Nevada folks think that our Senator stinks and is the worst thing in the world. We think just the opposite and that is why these crooks keep getting voted back into office.

So who is really fooled? Why, We the People.

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FIGMO, The statements made in the article are very damming and may well be correct. However, I am bothered by the lack of credible sources for them. Yes, he was a Democrat and that we all know and most of us forgive for being an idealistic youth. Churchill is quoted as saying, "A man of 21 who is not a socialist has no heart - a man of thirty who is not a capitalist has no brain." (And yes, I know this has been attributed to others and written in different forms).

Can you point me to the sources used?

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Just passing on the article that I found. All sources that the writter used I have passed on. I use to think that Perry was doing it right, but the more I find out the more I believe that he is just another party hack.

The Trans-Texas Highway is a good example. Not many in Texas want it, but the NAFTA folks do as well as the NWO folks. Perry has been a support of the TTH for a long time.

That would be enough for me not to vote for him.