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www.usdayofrage.org not a good thing

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www.usdayofrage.org not a good thing

I am not particularly enamored of the word "rage". However, I am in favor of non-violent demonstrations of the frustration of the nation with its government. I think it is about time Washington and Wall Street knew how the nation feels right now.

Perhaps Day of Citizens' Total Disgust would be a better title.

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www.usdayofrage.org not a good thing

This is the leftist socialist anarchist factions at work again. They gleefully have had London in flames, and they're flushed with "success" and are going on a road show.

Whenever you want to see true violence, it always comes from the left. This is going to cost the taxpayers many millions of dollars to combat if it gets the traction the organizers hope.

These anarchists, coupled with our entitlement class of citizens who love a good riot and group protest to satisfy and enable their desire to take what they want from the producers in this country, will bring the changing America into focus, for those who go along to get along.

OK, you liberals, this may finally the "Change" of which we were foretold. Enjoy.

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I am not particularly enamored of the word "rage". However, I am in favor of non-violent demonstrations of the frustration of the nation with its government. I think it is about time Washington and Wall Street knew how the nation feels right now.

Perhaps Day of Citizens' Total Disgust would be a better title.

I agree. But something tells me from looking at the website and also the Oct. 11 one that they want more of a London rioting/burning approach (like hauling out big-screen televisions saying, "we're getting our taxes back" as I saw on the news the other night).

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Who is this group DDoug? The only information I can find ties them to the Service Employees International Union and former ACORN head Wade Rathke.

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This is the leftist socialist anarchist factions at work again. They gleefully have had London in flames, and they're flushed with "success" and are going on a road show.

Whenever you want to see true violence, it always comes from the left. This is going to cost the taxpayers many millions of dollars to combat if it gets the traction the organizers hope.

These anarchists, coupled with our entitlement class of citizens who love a good riot and group protest to satisfy and enable their desire to take what they want from the producers in this country, will bring the changing America into focus, for those who go along to get along.

OK, you liberals, this may finally the "Change" of which we were foretold. Enjoy.

Forgive me Rich!! I am sometimes very blonde! I had no idea! Never heard of any of the organizations that support them!! Mea culpa, mea culpa!! I really hate being a dumb blonde sometimes!! Please, can I still be a friend???:oops:

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The only one that I have heard of is The Hacker Group Anonymous that has been in the news lately. They alledgedly hacked into several Law Enforcement sites for the arrests of some of their members. They could actually do more harm to the country that the protestors occupying Wall Street if they crashed the computers on Wall Street.

The SEIU and ACORN as a pair to draw to. Nothing good will come of this.

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I had the 'privilege' of being in the UK when London went up in flames. I was very worried for my stepson's girlfriend who lives in the borough of Enfield - the one the scumbags went to after the riot in Tottenham because there were more upscale shops in Enfield, two boroughs north.

Note that it was a PEACEFUL demonstration in Tottenham (in response to the police shooting and killing an alleged gang member - who shot at the cops and, well, guns are 100% illegal in the UK so....). The scumbags saw this and apparently used Facebook and Twitter to organize a flash mob there and thus, the riots started.

I was lucky enough to get in touch with Traci (who may end up being my stepdaughter-in-law) to make sure she and her kids were ok.

During the course of our travels around Scotland there were a LOT of Brits, Scots and Londoners on holiday who spoke to us envying the way that Americans are allowed to defend themselves.

The riots appear to be a turning point in the opinions of UK citizens. They have had ENOUGH of bending over and 'taking' it while the MPs "mollycoddle" people who don't DO anything like, oh, say, umm, "work". The crap about "getting my taxes back"? Those thugs don't PAY taxes (except for VAT - and that doesn't begin to cover all the benefits they get in public housing and other welfare payments). I noticed one thing we could emulate here. With less than a week passing since the riots started, they had already arrested, arraigned, tried, convicted and SENTENCED some of the offenders! UK PM Cameron said the courts were going to stay open 24/7 to deal with all this.

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I had the 'privilege' of being in the UK when London went up in flames. I was very worried for my stepson's girlfriend who lives in the borough of Enfield - the one the scumbags went to after the riot in Tottenham because there were more upscale shops in Enfield, two boroughs north.

Note that it was a PEACEFUL demonstration in Tottenham (in response to the police shooting and killing an alleged gang member - who shot at the cops and, well, guns are 100% illegal in the UK so....). The scumbags saw this and apparently used Facebook and Twitter to organize a flash mob there and thus, the riots started.

I was lucky enough to get in touch with Traci (who may end up being my stepdaughter-in-law) to make sure she and her kids were ok.

During the course of our travels around Scotland there were a LOT of Brits, Scots and Londoners on holiday who spoke to us envying the way that Americans are allowed to defend themselves.

The riots appear to be a turning point in the opinions of UK citizens. They have had ENOUGH of bending over and 'taking' it while the MPs "mollycoddle" people who don't DO anything like, oh, say, umm, "work". The crap about "getting my taxes back"? Those thugs don't PAY taxes (except for VAT - and that doesn't begin to cover all the benefits they get in public housing and other welfare payments). I noticed one thing we could emulate here. With less than a week passing since the riots started, they had already arrested, arraigned, tried, convicted and SENTENCED some of the offenders! UK PM Cameron said the courts were going to stay open 24/7 to deal with all this.

I'm glad you and your family are okay. I can't imagine being caught up in the rioting. It is a real pitiful shame.

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I had the 'privilege' of being in the UK when London went up in flames. I was very worried for my stepson's girlfriend who lives in the borough of Enfield .........
Note that it was a PEACEFUL demonstration in Tottenham (in response to the police shooting and killing an alleged gang member - who shot at the cops and, well, guns are 100% illegal in the UK so....). The scumbags saw this and apparently used Facebook and Twitter to organize a flash mob there and thus, the riots started..........

During the course of our travels around Scotland there were a LOT of Brits, Scots and Londoners on holiday who spoke to us envying the way that Americans are allowed to defend themselves.

The riots appear to be a turning point in the opinions of UK citizens. They have had ENOUGH of bending over and 'taking' it while the MPs "mollycoddle" people who don't DO anything like, oh, say, umm, "work". The crap about "getting my taxes back"? Those thugs don't PAY taxes (except for VAT - and that doesn't begin to cover all the benefits they get in public housing and other welfare payments). I noticed one thing we could emulate here. With less than a week passing since the riots started, they had already arrested, arraigned, tried, convicted and SENTENCED some of the offenders! UK PM Cameron said the courts were going to stay open 24/7 to deal with all this.

I appreciate your first-hand account and observations.

However, do you really think that the "coalition" of Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and all the race baiters would validate and embrace anything remotely "conservative" mentioned about the British above, like supporting citizens bearing arms to defend themselves, and swift justice in courts kept running 24/7????? NO WAY!!!!

The fact that U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder did absolutely nothing about the billie club thumping, white-hate yelling black panther intimidating voters at the polling place in Phila. in Nov. 2008 tells us all we need to know about what kind of "justice" this administration and democrats want.

The "justice" they want is spelled R-E-P-A-R-A-T-I-O-N-S taken out of us whities. Period.

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I don't think I could agree on the time of day with Waters, Jackson-Lee, Jackson and their ilk. If they told me the sky was blue, I'd look up.

One interesting discussion I got into, when I mentioned that I was from New Hampshire where we have the "Castle Doctrine", was about things that aren't normally weapons in the UK.

You can have a cricket bat. No problem there. If a burglar with a knife breaks into your house - you can NOT run to another room to retrieve it and use it as a weapon. THAT is illegal! The same holds true if you ran to the kitchen to et a knife or even a rolling pin or frying pan.

But wait - here comes the LOONEY part... *If* the item is ALREADY in the room you're in (sometimes they specify "within arm's reach") you CAN use the "casual object" as a weapon. But if you have to go a few feet to GET it - you CAN'T!

Now - changing subjects. Reparations? Poppycock! *BUT* - tell you what. I *might* agree to "reparations" ONCE. In exchange, *ALL* forms of Affirmative Action, quotas, points systems, preferential treatments, set-asides, etc - ALL OF THEM - are wiped off the books with an ammendment making them UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Just my opinion...

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RichieLion - you are both right and wrong in your posting. You are right about mob violence and the looting that goes along with rioting. However, you are wrong about "true violence always coming from the left". Take a look back in history to the mob violence of the up and coming Nazi party in Germany in the 1930s.

Anyhow, some good has come from some mass protests. Communism was taken down in Eastern Europe; the US got out of Vietnam; civil rights were brought about in America.

Of course, I do not go along with mob violence, though. I am sure the NYPD will see that any protests are handled properly.

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RichieLion - you are both right and wrong in your posting. You are right about mob violence and the looting that goes along with rioting. However, you are wrong about "true violence always coming from the left". Take a look back in history to the mob violence of the up and coming Nazi party in Germany in the 1930s.

Anyhow, some good has come from some mass protests. Communism was taken down in Eastern Europe; the US got out of Vietnam; civil rights were brought about in America.

Of course, I do not go along with mob violence, though. I am sure the NYPD will see that any protests are handled properly.

I always thought that Hitler was a left-wing socialist.

Sure we got out of VietNam and thousands of our South Vietnam friends were butchered.Nothing to be proud of in my opinion.

Civil rights? Evolution of society would have naturally brought rights to everyone. We wasted trillions on The Great Society. That's progress?

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Unfortunately, Nazism was right-winged national socialism...right or left, right or wrong-I think we all know how tragically it turned out. As for the riots that started things off, these riots were staged! Started by agents of the Nazi party who went into an area to pretend to be natives who wanted Hitler to come and help retore peace. Reminds me more of the tactics of our liberal Potentate at numerous town hall meetings...planned soft questions and answers for everyone!

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Unfortunately, Nazism was right-winged national socialism...right or left, right or wrong-I think we all know how tragically it turned out. As for the riots that started things off, these riots were staged! Started by agents of the Nazi party who went into an area to pretend to be natives who wanted Hitler to come and help retore peace. Reminds me more of the tactics of our liberal Potentate at numerous town hall meetings...planned soft questions and answers for everyone!

Katz, May I recommend Shirer's Monumental 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'. Shirer was a radio journalist in Berlin during the period of Hitler's rise to power. This book will clear up the all-too-common misconception that the Nazi's were in any way right wing. They fought desperately with the Communists to see who could claim the left wing. Since you're not watching TV, you might as well read a good book. :smiley:

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Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

2. The US should never have been involved in Vietnam. It was a civil war. It cost over 58,000 American lives - all wasted.

3. The Civil Rights in America would have naturally evolved? Just like it evolved in South Africa? There would have been another Civil War in the US. Would you want that?

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Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

2. The US should never have been involved in Vietnam. It was a civil war. It cost over 58,000 American lives - all wasted.

3. The Civil Rights in America would have naturally evolved? Just like it evolved in South Africa? There would have been another Civil War in the US. Would you want that?
Yes, the left wing cowards wasted the American lives. Most of the coward protesters were draft dodgers who were only concerned with their lives, not the soldiers, not our friends , South VietNam.
When the war ended the coward hippies cut their hair, took a shower, put on a suit and made their fortune on Wall Street. Hipocrites, every one of them.
And what the heck has South Africa got to do with America?????
Nazi's were left-wingers!!!

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Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

Yep...as unfortunate as it seems to those of us that proclaim to be Right-wing...Yep. The Nazis were pro-Christian (albiet it their perverse rendition of it), anti-communist, anti-Marxist, anti-atheist and anti-labor leaders--that sounds right-wing to me!
But that is where the comparison ends-in label only. Thank God!
However, thanks BBQMan for the suggested reading about the Third Reich. I hope I can come back and refute this post :cool:

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Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.



Bugs - Anton Drexler and Karl Harrer founded both the German Workers Party and the Political Workers Union. Harrer was to resign from the German Workers Party in 1920 and vanished from the political scene. Dexler attempted to throw Hitler out of the National Socialist German Worker's Party in 1921 but failed and became irrelevant although used as a propaganda tool as late as 1937. The idea of Hitler's political ideas being formed by these two is farfetched at best. Hitler used them just as he used President Paul von Hindenberg in his rise to power.

William L. Shirer lived through and reported on the events in Germany during Hitler's rise to power. He reported on the aftermath of the Reichstag fire, he was present for Kristallnacht and continued his reporting for the invasions of France, Norway, etc. He knew the main players as the drama played out. I know of no other historian that approaches his firsthand knowledge of events involving the Third Reich.

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BBQMan-

First, you seem to be addressing your post to "Bugs". I am "buggyone".

2nd - you seem to be knowledgable about William Shirer and he did get his material for Rise and Fall of the Third Reich from wartime papers and documents. Excellent author, too. It is a shame he was blacklisted because he was named in a Communist pamphlet - Red Channels: The Report of Communist Influence in Radio and Television is an anti-Communist tract published in the United States at the height of the Red Scare.


3rd - Scholars everywhere will agree that the Nazis were right-wing extremeists - and hopefully we will never see their kind again. Just because their name has National Democratic Socialist in the title, do not get the idea it is a liberal idea. You could call a pig an opera star on all the billboards and it still could not sing. The actions count - not a name.

Your postings are always interesting and polite without name calling. Village Golfer seems to have a problem with facts, though. It is not right just to put down information and say it is "right because I say so".

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Village Golfer -

I do not know what you are talking about. Please do not harass me or I will have to ask the Admin to intercede.

Thank you.

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Village Golfer -

I do not know what you are talking about. Please do not harass me or I will have to ask the Admin to intercede.

Thank you.

He who lives in glass houses...

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Topic of thread - "Website to look at" chilout

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www.usdayofrage.org not a good thingThat day might be fun to watch, but the rage would be mis-directed. Wall Street is the epitome of the entrepreneurial private sector business that conservatives say is the answer to just about any problem we face--healthcare, privatizing Social Security, etc.

While I have the highest regard for the private sector and Wall Street, I think we need to be very careful on the degree of trust we place in that critically important element of the private sector. Wall Street is very smart, very creative, very entrepreneurial, very profit-oriented, and very short-term in their perspective. They want to make lots of money, make it fast, and make it while putting as little of their capital at risk as possible.

Wall Street is NOT the private sector answer to long-term structural financial problems. The non-financial elements of the private sector will be the engine that revs up to improve our financial health. But that sector of our economy can only operate effectively if it's provided with an economic environment that's predictable, doesn't tax profits at too high a rate, and regulates only the necessary elements of the economy with a consistent, non-political, non-ideological and light hand.

Those are the responsibilities of government. If there will be a "day of rage", it should be directed at government, both federal and state--not Wall Street!