Presidential Vacations

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:confused:Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Mr. Obama has taken more vacations than any other president in recent history?

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:confused:Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Mr. Obama has taken more vacations than any other president in recent history?


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President Obama’s Vacation Days


January 11, 2010

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Q: Has President Obama taken more vacation time than his predecessors?
A:According to one count, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton spent less time on "vacation."


However, I think ALL of them need to get their BUTTS back to their desks and fix this mess!!!!

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No one in Washington is asking me what I think!

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No one in Washington is asking me what I think!


...maybe they should! When a person is hired to do a job that he fails to do, he is usually fired. Not sure why that cannot happen to an elected official who is elected to do a job that he fails to do...

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It is just you, I am sorry to say.

As of August 19, 2011, President Obama has spent 61 vacation days away from the White House thus far in his term.

George Walker Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, the presidential retreat, during his two terms as president. George Walker Bush also spent 490 days at his ranch in Crawford. That totals to 977 days away from the White House. It is 2.67 years of an 8 year term away from "the office".

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It is just you, I am sorry to say.

As of August 19, 2011, President Obama has spent 61 vacation days away from the White House thus far in his term.

George Walker Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, the presidential retreat, during his two terms as president. George Walker Bush also spent 490 days at his ranch in Crawford. That totals to 977 days away from the White House. It is 2.67 years of an 8 year term away from "the office".

How about we talk about the cost of the vacations. GW used to travel to his own private residence or an existing government facility to unwind. Obama spends our money to stay in $5 thousand dollar a night resorts while utilizing 2 separate jets; and he and his wife arrive only a couple of hours apart. I don't think there's been any president who's lavished anywhere near as much of our money on himself and his family as this one in 2 1/2 years. Prove me wrong, I dare ya.

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It is just you, I am sorry to say.

As of August 19, 2011, President Obama has spent 61 vacation days away from the White House thus far in his term.

George Walker Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, the presidential retreat, during his two terms as president. George Walker Bush also spent 490 days at his ranch in Crawford. That totals to 977 days away from the White House. It is 2.67 years of an 8 year term away from "the office".

Yea, but when they spend time at their own residence it saves us taxpayers money. Tell us again how much it cost the taxpayers for the Obama's to take all these luxurious trips? How about Barack Hussein Obama Misery tour bus that cost millions of taxpayers dollars and was made in Canada. How about the fact that the taxpayers paid for the bus to be used for campaigning?

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Yea, but when they spend time at their own residence it saves us taxpayers money. Tell us again how much it cost the taxpayers for the Obama's to take all these luxurious trips? How about Barack Hussein Obama Misery tour bus that cost millions of taxpayers dollars and was made in Canada. How about the fact that the taxpayers paid for the bus to be used for campaigning?

i was advised by the head mechanic of the secret service motor pool fleet of suburbans that the buses were ordered this past april because it would be cheaper to own them rather than rent them whenever they are needed...the temporary security fixes to rentals were not as cost effective as permanently installing the security on vehicles they own.

the buses are available to any govt official that the secret service deems appropriate, elected, appointed, visiting, etc. there are many officials who need and utilize the security of the secret service besides the potus. the primary reasons for the purchase were communications and security - not really for the pres' campaigning.

and he further told me that when the buses are not in use for touring or other transportation reason[s], they are equipped to serve as mobile command centers to be used wherever needed when an emergency should occur. for that reason, they will be outfitted with the new feature of being able to communicate with anyone/anywhere as soon as the technology is available.

i have no reason to doubt the sincerity of my informer - he is family! :thumbup:

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I have less problem with his "vacation" than I do with his spending the entire time of his presidency campaigning for the next term. I see that as a big part of the problem. I, for one, don't want to see a next term.

The whole of Washington needs to forego vacations until the job is done! In the private sector, vacations were always denied when there was a heavy workload. Why should government be any different? They're supposed to work for "us" so we should have the say as to when they can go on vacation.

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How about we talk about the cost of the vacations. GW used to travel to his own private residence or an existing government facility to unwind. Obama spends our money to stay in $5 thousand dollar a night resorts while utilizing 2 separate jets; and he and his wife arrive only a couple of hours apart. I don't think there's been any president who's lavished anywhere near as much of our money on himself and his family as this one in 2 1/2 years. Prove me wrong, I dare ya.

:agree:

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the thread was how many days not how much. Some of you do not like the answers so lets change the subject to anything that condemns the President like busses and cost. Total garbage if I may say.

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Yea, but when they spend time at their own residence it saves us taxpayers money. Tell us again how much it cost the taxpayers for the Obama's to take all these luxurious trips? How about Barack Hussein Obama Misery tour bus that cost millions of taxpayers dollars and was made in Canada. How about the fact that the taxpayers paid for the bus to be used for campaigning?

There were 2 of these "tour buses" ordered by the Secret Service. The second one is designated for the GOP candidate's use. Here is the NY Post article (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/canucklehead_obama_bus_ted_gyztvw89k5MyKNS4B7Qp7O) . The last paragraph briefly mentions that there were 2 buses ordered by the Secret Service last July. The cost of each bus was 1.1 million.

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the thread was how many days not how much. Some of you do not like the answers so lets change the subject to anything that condemns the President like busses and cost. Total garbage if I may say.

Of course!

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the thread was how many days not how much. Some of you do not like the answers so lets change the subject to anything that condemns the President like busses and cost. Total garbage if I may say.

Yea, taxpayer's money is total garbage. I wish I had more garbage to pay my bills instead of wasting it on government expenditures. Garbage is the President using taxpayer's money for campaigning. We are going down the tubes and Barack Hussein Obama is hob-nobing with the rich and famous on Martha's Vineyard.
What is that about the emperor playing the fiddle while the country burns.

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the thread was how many days not how much. Some of you do not like the answers so lets change the subject to anything that condemns the President like busses and cost. Total garbage if I may say.

Don't like that while the country is going down the economic crapper and the government is scrambling for revenue that I mentioned that this President spends our money so lavishly on himself and his family that it would make a dictator blush? I'm so sorry.

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Yea, taxpayer's money is total garbage. I wish I had more garbage to pay my bills instead of wasting it on government expenditures. Garbage is the President using taxpayer's money for campaigning. We are going down the tubes and Barack Hussein Obama is hob-nobing with the rich and famous on Martha's Vineyard.
What is that about the emperor playing the fiddle while the country burns.

There will be another hobnobber in the area. Mr.Willard Mitt Romney will be in nearby Edgartown, Mass. for a $2,500 plate fundraiser on the 27th. Same island. Anyone attending? Does that also count as hob nabbing with the rich? He has the right to campaign anywhere he wants. Does he pay the bill for Secret Service protection?
Who the *#&!! wants a president named Willard? Wasn't that the name of a 70s horror movie about a rat? His nomination could be the sequel.:smiley:
Once elected all politicians are hypocrites with reelection as their primary goal. Both sides.

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There will be another hobnobber in the area. Mr.Willard Mitt Romney will be in nearby Edgartown, Mass. for a $2,500 plate fundraiser on the 27th. Same island. Anyone attending? Does that also count as hob nabbing with the rich? He has the right to campaign anywhere he wants. Does he pay the bill for Secret Service protection?
Who the *#&!! wants a president named Willard? Wasn't that the name of a 70s horror movie about a rat? His nomination could be the sequel.:smiley:
Once elected all politicians are hypocrites with reelection as their primary goal. Both sides.

Go ahead, and let it all out. It's good to unload once in a while. Sip a cool glass of water slowly and breathe easy. I hope you're feeling better now.

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I always felt better when Bush was on vacation and away from the capital. He was better at cutting brush then anything else....

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I always felt better when Bush was on vacation and away from the capital. He was better at cutting brush then anything else....

I wish Barack Hussein Obama would take a permanent vacation.

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I have less problem with his "vacation" than I do with his spending the entire time of his presidency campaigning for the next term. I see that as a big part of the problem. I, for one, don't want to see a next term.

The whole of Washington needs to forego vacations until the job is done! In the private sector, vacations were always denied when there was a heavy workload. Why should government be any different? They're supposed to work for "us" so we should have the say as to when they can go on vacation.


:BigApplause:

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I wish Barack Hussein Obama would take a permanent vacation.

Just out of curiosity, how did you feel when liberals were saying the exact same thing about Bush?

What I'm getting at is.. Whatever happened to the "lose gracefully and take the 'we'll get 'em next time' attitude"?

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Just out of curiosity, how did you feel when liberals were saying the exact same thing about Bush?

What I'm getting at is.. Whatever happened to the "lose gracefully and take the 'we'll get 'em next time' attitude"?

Bush wasn't really on vacation, he was looking for those darn "weapons of mass destruction".

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Just out of curiosity, how did you feel when liberals were saying the exact same thing about Bush?

What I'm getting at is.. Whatever happened to the "lose gracefully and take the 'we'll get 'em next time' attitude"?

Although I was not much of a Bush supporter (I actually voted against Gore and Kerry) I still have an 8 year residue from that crowd.

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Bush wasn't really on vacation, he was looking for those darn "weapons of mass destruction".

Yes, the ones that :Dall the liberals voted on too.

[Guest]

How about a little humor to start the week?

Obama gives a speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1m5LNn2gh8k

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Just out of curiosity, how did you feel when liberals were saying the exact same thing about Bush?

What I'm getting at is.. Whatever happened to the "lose gracefully and take the 'we'll get 'em next time' attitude"?

Is that how the liberals acted when Bush defeated Gore, and then defeated Kerry? Are we conservative supposed to be above the partisan shenanigans of the left?

There was never a president who was treated as vile as former President Bush, and it continues to this very day.

Spare me the sermon, DJ.

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Yea, and when you criticise the Annointed One they will play their tired old race card toentice silence.

I guess the hatred of Bush by the left was legitimate because he is white?

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Yea, and when you criticise the Annointed One they will play their tired old race card toentice silence.

I guess the hatred of Bush by the left was legitimate because he is white?

Oh boy... is this really where you want to go with this ???

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Yea, and when you criticise the Annointed One they will play their tired old race card toentice silence.

I guess the hatred of Bush by the left was legitimate because he is white?

There is only one person on this forum who talks about hate and that is you. I did not like Bush because I believe that he was manipulated to a certain degree by Chaney and/or his other advisers. His father screwed up by not going after Saddam (for the life of me I can't remember his last name, can you help me out there) and he manufactured a reason for going after him. My dislike for him still does not rise to the level of contempt that you show for President Obama.

Come election time, I will vote for who I believe is the best candidate. To be honest, I hope that the Democrats pick someone else other than Obama though that will probably not happen.

Do us all a favor, though, keep the race card out of this. It really diminishes any point that you are trying to make.

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iaudit, agree with you wholeheartedly.

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Is that how the liberals acted when Bush defeated Gore, and then defeated Kerry? Are we conservative supposed to be above the partisan shenanigans of the left?

There was never a president who was treated as vile as former President Bush, and it continues to this very day.

Spare me the sermon, DJ.

Obama is getting it today. Just like Bush got it before. I really thought we had sunk to a new low when the media show anti-Bush protestors with Bush-as-Hitler signs. Today it's Obama-as-Hitler signs.

Same crap, just a different set of losers.

When I was at some public meetings in my town, I took some pride in that the conservatives were VERY polite while the liberals presented their case - yet when the conservatives talked, the liberals were rude, interrupting and actually "booed" ordinary citizens giving their opinion on the subject (a highway project proposed for our town).

Now I see the most vile, disgusting and unabashedly racist crap coming from uber-conservatives. Those NOT on the lunatic fringe aren't much better. Limbaugh's criticism of Clinton "back in the day" was nothing like what I hear from him about Obama.

Yeah, I defended Bush from the "idiot" and "trained monkey" comments before 2008. After all, you don't get certified to fly jets (whether or not they were obsolete - doesn't matter) if you're a trained monkey.

I'd hoped that conservatives would be more gracious and "above" the kind of tactics the liberals used when Bush was in - but I was wrong.

To be honest, I don't know how much worse the hyper-partisanship can get - but I know I'm going to find out.

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There is only one person on this forum who talks about hate and that is you. I did not like Bush because I believe that he was manipulated to a certain degree by Chaney and/or his other advisers. His father screwed up by not going after Saddam (for the life of me I can't remember his last name, can you help me out there) and he manufactured a reason for going after him. My dislike for him still does not rise to the level of contempt that you show for President Obama.

Come election time, I will vote for who I believe is the best candidate. To be honest, I hope that the Democrats pick someone else other than Obama though that will probably not happen.

Do us all a favor, though, keep the race card out of this. It really diminishes any point that you are trying to make.

How many times must I say this: I do not hate Obama, I hate his policies. Is that hard for you to understand???? I never hated Carter but I despised the way he acted as commander in chief. If I was ever to hate someone, it would be someone who has no responsibility and just shoots his mouth off like Chris Mathews or Bill Maher.
Ok?

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Obama is getting it today. Just like Bush got it before. I really thought we had sunk to a new low when the media show anti-Bush protestors with Bush-as-Hitler signs. Today it's Obama-as-Hitler signs.

Same crap, just a different set of losers.

When I was at some public meetings in my town, I took some pride in that the conservatives were VERY polite while the liberals presented their case - yet when the conservatives talked, the liberals were rude, interrupting and actually "booed" ordinary citizens giving their opinion on the subject (a highway project proposed for our town).

Now I see the most vile, disgusting and unabashedly racist crap coming from uber-conservatives. Those NOT on the lunatic fringe aren't much better. Limbaugh's criticism of Clinton "back in the day" was nothing like what I hear from him about Obama.

Yeah, I defended Bush from the "idiot" and "trained monkey" comments before 2008. After all, you don't get certified to fly jets (whether or not they were obsolete - doesn't matter) if you're a trained monkey.

I'd hoped that conservatives would be more gracious and "above" the kind of tactics the liberals used when Bush was in - but I was wrong.

To be honest, I don't know how much worse the hyper-partisanship can get - but I know I'm going to find out.

Show examples of this racist crap. You are no better then the ulta-left-wing progressives when you make an unsubstantiated statement like that. If anything, conservatives go out of their way to avoid the racist crap that you liberals use so liberally.

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Obama is getting it today. Just like Bush got it before. I really thought we had sunk to a new low when the media show anti-Bush protestors with Bush-as-Hitler signs. Today it's Obama-as-Hitler signs.

Same crap, just a different set of losers.

When I was at some public meetings in my town, I took some pride in that the conservatives were VERY polite while the liberals presented their case - yet when the conservatives talked, the liberals were rude, interrupting and actually "booed" ordinary citizens giving their opinion on the subject (a highway project proposed for our town).

Now I see the most vile, disgusting and unabashedly racist crap coming from uber-conservatives. Those NOT on the lunatic fringe aren't much better. Limbaugh's criticism of Clinton "back in the day" was nothing like what I hear from him about Obama.

Yeah, I defended Bush from the "idiot" and "trained monkey" comments before 2008. After all, you don't get certified to fly jets (whether or not they were obsolete - doesn't matter) if you're a trained monkey.

I'd hoped that conservatives would be more gracious and "above" the kind of tactics the liberals used when Bush was in - but I was wrong.

To be honest, I don't know how much worse the hyper-partisanship can get - but I know I'm going to find out.

I would very much appreciate it if you could link us to some of the "...most vile, disgusting and unabashedly racist crap coming from uber-conservatives."

Not saying it has not happened but I am not seeing what you are describing and would like to know where it is coming from.

Thanks

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I would very much appreciate it if you could link us to some of the "...most vile, disgusting and unabashedly racist crap coming from uber-conservatives."

Not saying it has not happened but I am not seeing what you are describing and would like to know where it is coming from.

Thanks

These liberals are trying to rewrite history to try and suggest that Obama is treated with a disrespect, and even a hatred, never shown a President before, and it's unadulterated nonsense, and I won't take it without pointing out their disingenuousness, or even worse, their outright lying.

This President is treated with kid gloves compared to the malice that was shown the good man who was George W. Bush, who by the way, is still the recipient of their enmity.

The only mention of racism I've seen on this forum is from Obama supporter's using the race card when, as is usually the case, they have no valid counter argument. It's Obama's socialist progressive policies and disrespect for the greatness that is America that are abhorrent, and nothing else.

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Waynenet,
You are so correct. These people are just looking for reasons to hate this president. If we can't hate him because he takes more vacations than past presidents then lets change it to the costs per vacation because there probably isn't any research done on that one so I can't be PROVEN to be a close minded moron.

Here is the problem: George Bush was the captain of the Titanic. Just after we hit the iceberg he handed the keys over to President Obama and jumped in a lifeboat. Now people are screaming mad at Obama because we're taking on water.

I guess people just need someone to blame all their problems on. I guess he's an easy target. After all, he isn't one of us...... he's probably not a Christian. He's probably not even an American and we all know he's........ you know, ...............................black.

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It's clear when people on this blog use the term "annointed one", or they refer to our president as "Barack Hussain Obama" you know where they're getting their news. They're like robots.

Guys, I know it's easy to go to Fox News and let them tell you what to think and say but it's not best for you or the country. Try reading a paper sometime. If you struggle with the printed word try watching CNN. Just because it's not Fox doesn't mean it's automatically liberal like Fox would like you to believe.

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Waynenet,
You are so correct. These people are just looking for reasons to hate this president. If we can't hate him because he takes more vacations than past presidents then lets change it to the costs per vacation because there probably isn't any research done on that one so I can't be PROVEN to be a close minded moron.

Here is the problem: George Bush was the captain of the Titanic. Just after we hit the iceberg he handed the keys over to President Obama and jumped in a lifeboat. Now people are screaming mad at Obama because we're taking on water.

I guess people just need someone to blame all their problems on. I guess he's an easy target. After all, he isn't one of us...... he's probably not a Christian. He's probably not even an American and we all know he's........ you know, ...............................black.

The thread was about vacations. The problem with Obama's vacations are twofild: first he takes them when his total focus should be on solving serious national problems. Secondly when he takes one he has an enormous entourage, private cooks, etc costing taxpayers millions and millions of dollars.

Turning to this race issue liberals need to invent a new reason as to why people do not have confidence in Obama like his inability to understand economic and foreign policy. Remember Obama is half white so if the racist thing could stick (its an excuse for his poor performance) then racist would only half not like him. Liberals this issue is getting really old and tiring. I would vote for Thomas Sowell in a New York second because he is both intelligent , possess common sense and would promote the greater good

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Rubicon,
You are incorrect. The thread was not about vacations but rather the number of vacations. The author of the thread was thinking that our President was taking more vacations than past Presidents. Once that idea (promoted by Fox News by the way) was debunked then someone else tried to change it to the costs of vacations.

Thomas Sowell? How convient, I don't believe he's running for president. Guess you're off the hook on that one.

Now about the racist issue. It's very difficult to prove racism now a days because it's not as "out in the open in the south" as it once was but there are clues. How about the Tea ****** issue that President Obama was not born in America? Did the tea ****** folks ever question McCain about his citizenship? How about George Bush? What about the question of his being a Christian or not? Why do you think so many (including some on this blog) refer to our president as Barrack Hussain Obama?

Now I don't expect you to answer those questions honestly but I am simply sharing how I see things.

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Rubicon,
You are incorrect. The thread was not about vacations but rather the number of vacations. The author of the thread was thinking that our President was taking more vacations than past Presidents. Once that idea (promoted by Fox News by the way) was debunked then someone else tried to change it to the costs of vacations.

Thomas Sowell? How convient, I don't believe he's running for president. Guess you're off the hook on that one.

Now about the racist issue. It's very difficult to prove racism now a days because it's not as "out in the open in the south" as it once was but there are clues. How about the Tea ****** issue that President Obama was not born in America? Did the tea ****** folks ever question McCain about his citizenship? How about George Bush? What about the question of his being a Christian or not? Why do you think so many (including some on this blog) refer to our president as Barrack Hussain Obama?

Now I don't expect you to answer those questions honestly but I am simply sharing how I see things.

Did you know that when you refer to The Tea party as "**********" you are being derogatory? Did you know that "our president" insisted on using his middle name HUSSEIN at his swearing in as President although the press refused to call him that during the campaign?
Tell me about Obama's vacations, like spending millions to take his wife to New York for a day. How many exotic vacations did President Bush take while in office. He had the decency to go to his own home and carry on business.

While the USA burns, Obama fiddles.

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You want examples? I'll give you examples.

A republican women's group with Obama's face on a donkey pictured on a food stamp with watermelons, fried chicken, ribs and more: http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

The Marietta GA bar owner selling Obama-as-a-monkey t-shirts and sees "nothing racist" about it: http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/05/newsflash-southern-redneck-sells-racist.html

Hiw about saying that Obama is the next Hitler, Mao and Stalin all in one with some of the most ridiculous claims and demagoguery I've ever seen: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17624/the-most-racist-antiobama-pitch-you-will-ever-see-operation-black-storm

"Republicanmarket" has a booth at the GOP convention selling racist pins: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/stick-a-pin-in-it.html

Someone in New Jersey thought it was a good idea to distribute leaflets to people's homes - up to 4,000 of them (this would probvably be the lunatic fringe - no named organization came out for this one): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/racist-anti-obama-fliers_n_128862.html

This is what I found in a fraction of a second.

Now, I don't have access to the video libraries that I've seen on cable where people were marching around with the Obama-face-on-Hitler signs, etc. But it's not hard AT ALL to find this stuff.

You all saw it (as did I) when the liberals did it to Bush - but you haven't seen any of it when the conservatives do it to Obama?

And to villagegolfer in particular - it's one thing to ask me for examples of what I'm talking about, like Bucco did, and I'm happy to explain as soon as I have time. But you just assumed I couldn't back it up and proceeded to name-calling. You kind of jumped the gun there. Heck, I disagree with RichieLion a LOT but it's quite civil.

..and about the "you liberals"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and simply believe you don't know me very well and haven't read too deep into my posts. Explain to me how I'm one of those "liberals" when:

- I support a flat tax.
- I support 2nd Ammendment AMONG OTHERS. Although I don't own a gun anymore, my wife does and I believe it is the right of every law-abiding American to defend themselves.
- I support limits on welfare
- I support enforcement of our immigration laws.
- I support vouchers in school choice programs.
- I support free speech, even (and sometime ESPECIALLY) if it's not Politically Correct.
- Although I support gay marriage, I also believe that no church should be forced to perorm such a ceremony if it goes against their religious dogma.

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

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You want examples? I'll give you examples.

A republican women's group with Obama's face on a donkey pictured on a food stamp with watermelons, fried chicken, ribs and more: http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

The Marietta GA bar owner selling Obama-as-a-monkey t-shirts and sees "nothing racist" about it: http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/05/newsflash-southern-redneck-sells-racist.html

Hiw about saying that Obama is the next Hitler, Mao and Stalin all in one with some of the most ridiculous claims and demagoguery I've ever seen: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17624/the-most-racist-antiobama-pitch-you-will-ever-see-operation-black-storm

"Republicanmarket" has a booth at the GOP convention selling racist pins: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/stick-a-pin-in-it.html

Someone in New Jersey thought it was a good idea to distribute leaflets to people's homes - up to 4,000 of them (this would probvably be the lunatic fringe - no named organization came out for this one): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/racist-anti-obama-fliers_n_128862.html

This is what I found in a fraction of a second.

Now, I don't have access to the video libraries that I've seen on cable where people were marching around with the Obama-face-on-Hitler signs, etc. But it's not hard AT ALL to find this stuff.

You all saw it (as did I) when the liberals did it to Bush - but you haven't seen any of it when the conservatives do it to Obama?

And to villagegolfer in particular - it's one thing to ask me for examples of what I'm talking about, like Bucco did, and I'm happy to explain as soon as I have time. But you just assumed I couldn't back it up and proceeded to name-calling. You kind of jumped the gun there. Heck, I disagree with RichieLion a LOT but it's quite civil.

..and about the "you liberals"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and simply believe you don't know me very well and haven't read too deep into my posts. Explain to me how I'm one of those "liberals" when:

- I support a flat tax.
- I support 2nd Ammendment AMONG OTHERS. Although I don't own a gun anymore, my wife does and I believe it is the right of every law-abiding American to defend themselves.
- I support limits on welfare
- I support enforcement of our immigration laws.
- I support vouchers in school choice programs.
- I support free speech, even (and sometime ESPECIALLY) if it's not Politically Correct.
- Although I support gay marriage, I also believe that no church should be forced to perorm such a ceremony if it goes against their religious dogma.

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

What a bunch of boloney. You can go anywhere on the internet and get that stuff from both sides of the aisle. Just show me where there is there is any racism. You hate Fox news. Show me where they have portrayed Barry in a bad light.
Sir, I do not know you very well, but I see you many times defending Obama and liberals so I assumed you were one of them. If you are not, then I apologize.

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You want examples? I'll give you examples.

A republican women's group with Obama's face on a donkey pictured on a food stamp with watermelons, fried chicken, ribs and more: http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

The Marietta GA bar owner selling Obama-as-a-monkey t-shirts and sees "nothing racist" about it: http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/05/newsflash-southern-redneck-sells-racist.html

Hiw about saying that Obama is the next Hitler, Mao and Stalin all in one with some of the most ridiculous claims and demagoguery I've ever seen: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17624/the-most-racist-antiobama-pitch-you-will-ever-see-operation-black-storm

"Republicanmarket" has a booth at the GOP convention selling racist pins: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/stick-a-pin-in-it.html

Someone in New Jersey thought it was a good idea to distribute leaflets to people's homes - up to 4,000 of them (this would probvably be the lunatic fringe - no named organization came out for this one): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/racist-anti-obama-fliers_n_128862.html

This is what I found in a fraction of a second.

Now, I don't have access to the video libraries that I've seen on cable where people were marching around with the Obama-face-on-Hitler signs, etc. But it's not hard AT ALL to find this stuff.

You all saw it (as did I) when the liberals did it to Bush - but you haven't seen any of it when the conservatives do it to Obama?

And to villagegolfer in particular - it's one thing to ask me for examples of what I'm talking about, like Bucco did, and I'm happy to explain as soon as I have time. But you just assumed I couldn't back it up and proceeded to name-calling. You kind of jumped the gun there. Heck, I disagree with RichieLion a LOT but it's quite civil.

..and about the "you liberals"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and simply believe you don't know me very well and haven't read too deep into my posts. Explain to me how I'm one of those "liberals" when:

- I support a flat tax.
- I support 2nd Ammendment AMONG OTHERS. Although I don't own a gun anymore, my wife does and I believe it is the right of every law-abiding American to defend themselves.
- I support limits on welfare
- I support enforcement of our immigration laws.
- I support vouchers in school choice programs.
- I support free speech, even (and sometime ESPECIALLY) if it's not Politically Correct.
- Although I support gay marriage, I also believe that no church should be forced to perorm such a ceremony if it goes against their religious dogma.

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

:BigApplause:You are the same kind of liberal I am, except I have to add that I support the death penalty.....

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Villagegolfer,
Typical republican diversionary tactic. If you have no facts or logic to back up an argument so you switch gears. You crack me up. Come on, man up. Stick to the subject.

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What a bunch of boloney. You can go anywhere on the internet and get that stuff from both sides of the aisle. Just show me where there is there is any racism. You hate Fox news. Show me where they have portrayed Barry in a bad light.
Sir, I do not know you very well, but I see you many times defending Obama and liberals so I assumed you were one of them. If you are not, then I apologize.

First of all, I find it curious and not even sure why that all of your examples are PRE ELECTION in 2008...not saying there have not been any since, but find it curious !

Secondly, I cannot think of a campaign for President that did not make fun of the "roots" of the participant, whether it be because they were from Texas, Tenn, Florida or whatever.

To your point, you sure can get the hate from both sides on this wonderful internet and it WAS THAT WAY BEFORE OBAMA,...and sadly will continue well after him.

I abhor racism and always have.....I am, however being totally made insensitive to it as it has become not only a pure one way street, but since President Obama became a serious candidate a oft used charge. On this forum during the election campaign I was called names you just would not believe by PM because I opposed this President. I never once mentioned or alluded to race, but my opposition was based on race according to those people.

Heard Maxine Waters, a member of our United States Congress today, telling the Tea Parties to "go to hell".....gee, I consider that as bad or worse when you consider the wish and the source !!!!

I opposed and still do President Obama because of his background and training...his questionable associates and his total and complete lack of understanding of this job....and since elected his complete lack of understanding why he got elected. His misreprentations and...to be kind...misstatements...NONE HAVE TO DO WITH RACE !!

With all due respect, your post appealed to that part of us that I truely object to....pushing the buttons that will cause the most emotion. Those who are truely racist dont care...yet you will find no fault with Rep Waters saying what she said.

I suppose I am more upset with your post since you give such credence to such small reports (AND people) and ignore others. For me the race card is so overdone and so overused to put people on some kind of guilt trip.

Thanks for your response...I appreciate the links....

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First of all, I find it curious and not even sure why that all of your examples are PRE ELECTION in 2008...not saying there have not been any since, but find it curious !

Secondly, I cannot think of a campaign for President that did not make fun of the "roots" of the participant, whether it be because they were from Texas, Tenn, Florida or whatever.

To your point, you sure can get the hate from both sides on this wonderful internet and it WAS THAT WAY BEFORE OBAMA,...and sadly will continue well after him.

I abhor racism and always have.....I am, however being totally made insensitive to it as it has become not only a pure one way street, but since President Obama became a serious candidate a oft used charge. On this forum during the election campaign I was called names you just would not believe by PM because I opposed this President. I never once mentioned or alluded to race, but my opposition was based on race according to those people.

Heard Maxine Waters, a member of our United States Congress today, telling the Tea Parties to "go to hell".....gee, I consider that as bad or worse when you consider the wish and the source !!!!

I opposed and still do President Obama because of his background and training...his questionable associates and his total and complete lack of understanding of this job....and since elected his complete lack of understanding why he got elected. His misreprentations and...to be kind...misstatements...NONE HAVE TO DO WITH RACE !!

With all due respect, your post appealed to that part of us that I truely object to....pushing the buttons that will cause the most emotion. Those who are truely racist dont care...yet you will find no fault with Rep Waters saying what she said.

I suppose I am more upset with your post since you give such credence to such small reports (AND people) and ignore others. For me the race card is so overdone and so overused to put people on some kind of guilt trip.

Thanks for your response...I appreciate the links....

Do you have me confused with someone else, because you have my quote in your post.

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Do you have me confused with someone else, because you have my quote in your post.

I am sorry....can you please explain what is in my post that is YOUR quote ????


Thank you

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I am sorry....can you please explain what is in my post that is YOUR quote ????


Thank you

You have my quote in your post. Were you addressing me???

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You have my quote in your post. Were you addressing me???

MY......BUCCO's post does not have any quotes of you or by you !!!!!

You said that I had a quote of yours in my post....that is not true !!!!!

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MY......BUCCO's post does not have any quotes of you or by you !!!!!

You said that I had a quote of yours in my post....that is not true !!!!!

Bucco, look at post #45. I think you were addressing djplong and quoted the anointed one, AKA villagegolfer.

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My apologies to VILLAGEGOLFER and thank you to IAUDIT for making it clear to me.in

While the main content of my post was to DJPLONG, which I think he will recognize, I suppose I should have made a link to anythings said by VILLAGEGOLFER !!

In any case,sorry for the confusion

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You want examples? I'll give you examples.

A republican women's group with Obama's face on a donkey pictured on a food stamp with watermelons, fried chicken, ribs and more: http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

The Marietta GA bar owner selling Obama-as-a-monkey t-shirts and sees "nothing racist" about it: http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/05/newsflash-southern-redneck-sells-racist.html

Hiw about saying that Obama is the next Hitler, Mao and Stalin all in one with some of the most ridiculous claims and demagoguery I've ever seen: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17624/the-most-racist-antiobama-pitch-you-will-ever-see-operation-black-storm

"Republicanmarket" has a booth at the GOP convention selling racist pins: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/stick-a-pin-in-it.html

Someone in New Jersey thought it was a good idea to distribute leaflets to people's homes - up to 4,000 of them (this would probvably be the lunatic fringe - no named organization came out for this one): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/racist-anti-obama-fliers_n_128862.html

This is what I found in a fraction of a second.

Now, I don't have access to the video libraries that I've seen on cable where people were marching around with the Obama-face-on-Hitler signs, etc. But it's not hard AT ALL to find this stuff.

You all saw it (as did I) when the liberals did it to Bush - but you haven't seen any of it when the conservatives do it to Obama?

And to villagegolfer in particular - it's one thing to ask me for examples of what I'm talking about, like Bucco did, and I'm happy to explain as soon as I have time. But you just assumed I couldn't back it up and proceeded to name-calling. You kind of jumped the gun there. Heck, I disagree with RichieLion a LOT but it's quite civil.

..and about the "you liberals"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and simply believe you don't know me very well and haven't read too deep into my posts. Explain to me how I'm one of those "liberals" when:

- I support a flat tax.
- I support 2nd Ammendment AMONG OTHERS. Although I don't own a gun anymore, my wife does and I believe it is the right of every law-abiding American to defend themselves.
- I support limits on welfare
- I support enforcement of our immigration laws.
- I support vouchers in school choice programs.
- I support free speech, even (and sometime ESPECIALLY) if it's not Politically Correct.
- Although I support gay marriage, I also believe that no church should be forced to perorm such a ceremony if it goes against their religious dogma.

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.



PLEASE BE PATIENT and check post 45 as while it may show it as a response to VILLAGEGOLFER, it was in fact a reply to your note.

Sorry

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..and about the "you liberals"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and simply believe you don't know me very well and haven't read too deep into my posts. Explain to me how I'm one of those "liberals" when:

- I support a flat tax.
- I support 2nd Ammendment AMONG OTHERS. Although I don't own a gun anymore, my wife does and I believe it is the right of every law-abiding American to defend themselves.
- I support limits on welfare
- I support enforcement of our immigration laws.
- I support vouchers in school choice programs.
- I support free speech, even (and sometime ESPECIALLY) if it's not Politically Correct.
- Although I support gay marriage, I also believe that no church should be forced to perorm such a ceremony if it goes against their religious dogma.

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.


:agree:

I agree with more then this... But I particularly agree with this.

I think the confusion may come in with freethinkers. You want us to fit in a pigeon hole and we don't... We won't agree with each other either.. We are freethinkers!! We think for ourselves! We REALLY don't fit party lines!!!

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Bucco, look at post #45. I think you were addressing djplong and quoted the anointed one, AKA villagegolfer.

Your a riot, but we all know that The Annointed one is the liberal Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Seoreto. Suspected illegal alien.:D

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What a bunch of boloney. You can go anywhere on the internet and get that stuff from both sides of the aisle. Just show me where there is there is any racism. You hate Fox news. Show me where they have portrayed Barry in a bad light.
Sir, I do not know you very well, but I see you many times defending Obama and liberals so I assumed you were one of them. If you are not, then I apologize.

Then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sincerely.

I'm far more middle-of-the-road. The thing I detest most is the double-standard. It gets my dander up to see people treating Obama the same way the left treated Bush. There are the same problems and NEITHER side, as they are currently constructed, is able to function anymore - it's ALL partisan politics, the good of the country be damned.

And that's what I see - a *lot* of double standard.

I will admit, given current circumstances, I defend Obama a lot more. But I also defended Boehner until he caved to the Tea Party when he had a 3-1 ratio in spending cuts (including the sacred cows) to tax increases.

By the same token, I will not resort to calling Tea Partiers "Tea *******" (although if there was a REAL out there moonbat, I might be tempted - and by that, one who makes even crazier statements that Bachmann or O'Donnell)

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Heard Maxine Waters, a member of our United States Congress today, telling the Tea Parties to "go to hell".....gee, I consider that as bad or worse when you consider the wish and the source !!!!


I only heard about Waters yesterday evening. Didn't see any tape, but if the reports are to be believed, she showed her true colors.

Again, it's the hyper-partisanship. Never mind that the Tea Party started off at least with some VERY real concerns that really DO need to be part of the debate.

But, to be honest, I've never been a fan of hers (or most Democrats).

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I only heard about Waters yesterday evening. Didn't see any tape, but if the reports are to be believed, she showed her true colors.

Again, it's the hyper-partisanship. Never mind that the Tea Party started off at least with some VERY real concerns that really DO need to be part of the debate.

But, to be honest, I've never been a fan of hers (or most Democrats).

Reports are true for sure on Waters.

In any case, I agree there is hyper-partisanship on both sides and in many different degrees. I will ignore that you just had to give the Tea Party a shot in your post...you just cannot resist :) Not a supporter of the Tea Party in its entirety at all...just question the value of your comment in discussing Waters.

My problem and what gets to me is the constant race issue, which seems to be completely onesided and used only when "cornered". It never seems to be race with the Congressional Black Caucus....theiir agenda seems to be blessed. Perhaps we need a CONSTITUTIONAL CAUCUS or a CAUCASIAN CAUCUS or even a NOCHEATING ON YOUR SPOUSE CAUCUS.

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Being an indepenent thinker I believe that our current president is a US citizen, but is not eligible, according to the US Constitution to be president. You must be a "natural born citizen" not a "native born citizen." According to Obama's own book his father was NOT an US citizen, but his mother was, making him a "native born citizen" not a "natural born citizen." But....... see link below

Wikipedi link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution has this has never been qustion before and most courts have rejected this arguement about his citizenship.

Settle this question then lets argue about the rest of the state of the union.

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Reports are true for sure on Waters.

In any case, I agree there is hyper-partisanship on both sides and in many different degrees. I will ignore that you just had to give the Tea Party a shot in your post...you just cannot resist :) Not a supporter of the Tea Party in its entirety at all...just question the value of your comment in discussing Waters.

My problem and what gets to me is the constant race issue, which seems to be completely onesided and used only when "cornered". It never seems to be race with the Congressional Black Caucus....theiir agenda seems to be blessed. Perhaps we need a CONSTITUTIONAL CAUCUS or a CAUCASIAN CAUCUS or even a NOCHEATING ON YOUR SPOUSE CAUCUS.

Wasn't a dig at the Tea Party at all. If I'm going to take a dig at them, it's going to be that they were freshman telling the seniors what to do and threw a temper tantrum any time that they didn't get 100% their own way. Even when the debt debacle was over, he said he got 98% of what he wanted. The Tea Partiers who insisted on absolutely no taxes (let's table the debate on the value of that) said "we're a minority that refuses to let anything at all pass and we're willing to default the country to get our way".

Personally I think the Tea Party started out with real grass-roots concerns - there was a lot of disorganization which is *natural* in a situation like that. But I think a good percentage of the Tea Party has been hijacked by idealogues who put re-election over national good. I heard, during the back and forth, some politicians and pundits actualyy SAY that they COULD NOT vote for the "Grand Compromise" because they would lose their jobs in 2012.

They put their jobs ahead of something where they would have had the overwhelming share of the 'win' in the negotiations and would have made a better 'down payment' on the deficit than what we got.

Remember - the Tea Partiers were a MINORITY of a Party that had a slim majority in ONE branch of the legislature.

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Wasn't a dig at the Tea Party at all. If I'm going to take a dig at them, it's going to be that they were freshman telling the seniors what to do and threw a temper tantrum any time that they didn't get 100% their own way. Even when the debt debacle was over, he said he got 98% of what he wanted. The Tea Partiers who insisted on absolutely no taxes (let's table the debate on the value of that) said "we're a minority that refuses to let anything at all pass and we're willing to default the country to get our way".

Personally I think the Tea Party started out with real grass-roots concerns - there was a lot of disorganization which is *natural* in a situation like that. But I think a good percentage of the Tea Party has been hijacked by idealogues who put re-election over national good. I heard, during the back and forth, some politicians and pundits actualyy SAY that they COULD NOT vote for the "Grand Compromise" because they would lose their jobs in 2012.

They put their jobs ahead of something where they would have had the overwhelming share of the 'win' in the negotiations and would have made a better 'down payment' on the deficit than what we got.

Remember - the Tea Partiers were a MINORITY of a Party that had a slim majority in ONE branch of the legislature.

Sorry if I didnt make clear the thinking on my post..it was NOT on the Tea Party but that is how you responded which is fine..your call

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Wasn't a dig at the Tea Party at all. If I'm going to take a dig at them, it's going to be that they were freshman telling the seniors what to do and threw a temper tantrum any time that they didn't get 100% their own way. Even when the debt debacle was over, he said he got 98% of what he wanted. The Tea Partiers who insisted on absolutely no taxes (let's table the debate on the value of that) said "we're a minority that refuses to let anything at all pass and we're willing to default the country to get our way".

Personally I think the Tea Party started out with real grass-roots concerns - there was a lot of disorganization which is *natural* in a situation like that. But I think a good percentage of the Tea Party has been hijacked by idealogues who put re-election over national good. I heard, during the back and forth, some politicians and pundits actualyy SAY that they COULD NOT vote for the "Grand Compromise" because they would lose their jobs in 2012.

They put their jobs ahead of something where they would have had the overwhelming share of the 'win' in the negotiations and would have made a better 'down payment' on the deficit than what we got.

Remember - the Tea Partiers were a MINORITY of a Party that had a slim majority in ONE branch of the legislature.
You crack me up. You say it wasn't a dig at the Tea Party and then proceed a whole post on digging them. The Tea Party wants to shrink government. Like an obese human, the way to shrink size is limiting the calories(money).

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You want examples? I'll give you examples.

A republican women's group with Obama's face on a donkey pictured on a food stamp with watermelons, fried chicken, ribs and more: http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html

The Marietta GA bar owner selling Obama-as-a-monkey t-shirts and sees "nothing racist" about it: http://www.barackoblogger.com/2008/05/newsflash-southern-redneck-sells-racist.html

Hiw about saying that Obama is the next Hitler, Mao and Stalin all in one with some of the most ridiculous claims and demagoguery I've ever seen: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17624/the-most-racist-antiobama-pitch-you-will-ever-see-operation-black-storm

"Republicanmarket" has a booth at the GOP convention selling racist pins: http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/stick-a-pin-in-it.html

Someone in New Jersey thought it was a good idea to distribute leaflets to people's homes - up to 4,000 of them (this would probvably be the lunatic fringe - no named organization came out for this one): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/racist-anti-obama-fliers_n_128862.html

This is what I found in a fraction of a second.

Now, I don't have access to the video libraries that I've seen on cable where people were marching around with the Obama-face-on-Hitler signs, etc. But it's not hard AT ALL to find this stuff.

You all saw it (as did I) when the liberals did it to Bush - but you haven't seen any of it when the conservatives do it to Obama?

And to villagegolfer in particular - it's one thing to ask me for examples of what I'm talking about, like Bucco did, and I'm happy to explain as soon as I have time. But you just assumed I couldn't back it up and proceeded to name-calling. You kind of jumped the gun there. Heck, I disagree with RichieLion a LOT but it's quite civil.

..and about the "you liberals"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and simply believe you don't know me very well and haven't read too deep into my posts. Explain to me how I'm one of those "liberals" when:

- I support a flat tax.
- I support 2nd Ammendment AMONG OTHERS. Although I don't own a gun anymore, my wife does and I believe it is the right of every law-abiding American to defend themselves.
- I support limits on welfare
- I support enforcement of our immigration laws.
- I support vouchers in school choice programs.
- I support free speech, even (and sometime ESPECIALLY) if it's not Politically Correct.
- Although I support gay marriage, I also believe that no church should be forced to perorm such a ceremony if it goes against their religious dogma.

I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

Two people show up at a white power rally and it gets a disportionate sound bite. Lindsey wears a plunging neckline to court and we are forced 24/7 coverage for months.......Millions of people have fair and balanced exhanges day after day and no one notices.

Once again Thomas Sowell is someone with whom I agree while Jessee jackson and for that matter Jesses James leave me flat. I laugh with Jon Dailey but Bill Maher totally annoys me. Barack Obama annoys me not because he is black/white but because he is incompetent. But the reality of that fact is just too much for liberals to accept and so they default to their state of denial like they do with so many other issues.