13 Golf Cart Operators Cited

[Bogie Shooter]

As reported in the Daily Sun Saturday Aug 19. Lt. Nehemiah Wolfe(Sumter County sherriffs office) reported 175 citations in the Sumter county portion of TV in a recent 30 day period. That included 13 for golf cart operators for violations such as no vehicle registration - meaning that the golf operator had modified the cart to exceed the manufacturer's top speed of 19 MPH, which makes it a vehicle that must be registered and operated by a licensed and insured driver.
Wolfe went on to say, enforcement efforts had specifically been intensified in the villages of St. Charles, Pennecamp and Buttonwood, where complains had been received and traffic incidents had been reported.

[graciegirl]

As reported in the Daily Sun Saturday Aug 19. Lt. Nehemiah Wolfe(Sumter County sherriffs office) reported 175 citations in the Sumter county portion of TV in a recent 30 day period. That included 13 for golf cart operators for violations such as no vehicle registration - meaning that the golf operator had modified the cart to exceed the manufacturer's top speed of 19 MPH, which makes it a vehicle that must be registered and operated by a licensed and insured driver.
Wolfe went on to say, enforcement efforts had specifically been intensified in the villages of St. Charles, Pennecamp and Buttonwood, where complains had been received and traffic incidents had been reported.

And that is where the deaths occurred in golf cart accidents too.

[memason]

As reported in the Daily Sun Saturday Aug 19. Lt. Nehemiah Wolfe(Sumter County sherriffs office) reported 175 citations in the Sumter county portion of TV in a recent 30 day period. That included 13 for golf cart operators for violations such as no vehicle registration - meaning that the golf operator had modified the cart to exceed the manufacturer's top speed of 19 MPH, which makes it a vehicle that must be registered and operated by a licensed and insured driver.
Wolfe went on to say, enforcement efforts had specifically been intensified in the villages of St. Charles, Pennecamp and Buttonwood, where complains had been received and traffic incidents had been reported.


I live in St. Charles and have seen no evidence of increased enforcement. But, those three villages comprise a large area, so they could have been anywhere... I did see them with a speed trap on Morse Blvd., just north of 466 a couple weeks ago. They had a couple carts pulled over. Luckily, I was in my electric cart, which shuts itself down at 22mph.. :D

Thanks for the heads up Bogie....

[LivingLarge]

And that is where the deaths occurred in golf cart accidents too.

Deaths? Oh my!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Thanks for the info, Bogie!

Bill :)

[BigLew]

As reported in the Daily Sun Saturday Aug 19. Lt. Nehemiah Wolfe(Sumter County sherriffs office) reported 175 citations in the Sumter county portion of TV in a recent 30 day period. That included 13 for golf cart operators for violations such as no vehicle registration

with only 13 citations out of 175 (about 7%) it stands out that the biggest problem is the car traffic. I can believe it! people seem to have forgotten that they have turn signals- you ARE supposed to signal when LEAVING a traffic circle or making any other turn, and there are such things as speed limits, the limit in the villages on non posted roads is 25mph. The list goes on...


as a wise man once said "There is no sanity Clause" :D

[Bob45]

I did see them with a speed trap on Morse Blvd., just north of 466 a couple weeks ago. They had a couple carts pulled over. Luckily, I was in my electric cart, which shuts itself down at 22mph.. ....

memason,
Were the carts that were pulled over on the cart trail or the street? I didn't think you could get a ticket on the cart paths.
Thanks,
Bob

[EdV]

The multi-modal paths are not owned by the county. But Florida laws allow a deed restricted community to turn over traffic enforcement of their private roads to the sheriff�s department. But to my knowledge, TV has not done this for the multi-modal paths. So the citations to golf carts would have occurred on the county owned roads in TV.

[logdog]

Morse Blvd north of 466 has cart lanes, not multimodal paths, which are subject to all the rules of the road. I saw a couple of speed traps out there last month.

[Barefoot]

The multi-modal paths are not owned by the county. But Florida laws allow a deed restricted community to turn over traffic enforcement of their private roads to the sheriff�s department. But to my knowledge, TV has not done this for the multi-modal paths. So the citations to golf carts would have occurred on the county owned roads in TV.

I've seen motorcycle cops on the golf cart paths with radar, obviously clocking drivers.

[tpop1]

I was getting into my parked cart at Ace hardware on 466 a couple of days ago.

Around the corner, into the lot and up the side of Ace sped a cart & then an unmaked police car with flashing lights whipped around the corner and stopped him.

Both were moving fast for the area but that was a ticket, for sure!

[LittleDog]

This may be a little off topic but I was just wondering. If I have a street legal cart that can go 25mph can I drive that speed on the multi modal paths without getting a ticket? I realize there are people that go that speed with souped up carts which is illegal but if my cart can legally go that speed on the street is it OK to drive that speed on the paths?

John

[paulandjean]

A motorcycle cop on the golf cart path with radar. Seems they should be on the roads slowing down all the trucks. Truck traffic speeding,I think is the big problem in the villages. I just do not get it,Golf carts and 22 mph.

[cybermuda]

knowing my luck I would have been ticketed last week for going too slow, while pushing my wife up the hill out of the tunnel...

[dillywho]

A motorcycle cop on the golf cart path with radar. Seems they should be on the roads slowing down all the trucks. Truck traffic speeding,I think is the big problem in the villages. I just do not get it,Golf carts and 22 mph.

Trust me, it's not just the trucks. There are very few cars that even slow up for the roundabouts, much less to 20 as posted. When driving down Buena Vista, El Camino Real, etc. go the 35 that's posted and see how many cars come flying around you and disappear pronto. All you see is the rearend very briefly. I don't know what part of "retirement community" they don't understand. Just leave home earlier...it's not rocket science. This is one reason I like the 4-way stop on CR 101 now. Before they put that up, cars were driving like they were still on 466. With all the cross traffic from the businesses there, that's just way too fast. :22yikes:

One thing that Lt. Wolfe told us in one of our meetings where he was the guest speaker, is that if you are cited for your illegal cart, not only do you pay the fine but you have to make a trip to Bushnell to go before the judge and explain to him why you are driving an unregistered vehicle. As stated in some of the other posts, unless they are street legal and licensed, the legal speed is 20 or less. It's a safety factor. An ordinary cart has far less control and can tip over easily.

As for them doing radar on the cart paths, it could be that they are considering making some changes to the enforcement.

Just sayin'....

[logdog]

This may be a little off topic but I was just wondering. If I have a street legal cart that can go 25mph can I drive that speed on the multi modal paths without getting a ticket? I realize there are people that go that speed with souped up carts which is illegal but if my cart can legally go that speed on the street is it OK to drive that speed on the paths?

John

There are no speed limits on the multi-modal paths so you can go 25 mph. But then there isn't anyone ticketing on the paths since they are private property. If someone was doing something really unsafe on the paths, I suppose they could be cited for reckless driving/endangerment or some such thing.

In the cart lanes, the speed limit is the street posted limit which is usually 30 mph. Non street legal carts going over 20 mph aren't getting speeding tickets. They are ticketed as being unregistered vehicles which carries a much higher fine ($375 was the last number I heard) and a court appearance. Not sure what, if anything, would happen if a street legal went more than 25 mph.

[Shimpy]

Trust me, it's not just the trucks. There are very few cars that even slow up for the roundabouts, much less to 20 as posted. When driving down Buena Vista, El Camino Real, etc. go the 35 that's posted and see how many cars come flying around you and disappear pronto. All you see is the rearend very briefly. I don't know what part of "retirement community" they don't understand. Just leave home earlier...it's not rocket science. This is one reason I like the 4-way stop on CR 101 now. Before they put that up, cars were driving like they were still on 466. With all the cross traffic from the businesses there, that's just way too fast. :22yikes:

One thing that Lt. Wolfe told us in one of our meetings where he was the guest speaker, is that if you are cited for your illegal cart, not only do you pay the fine but you have to make a trip to Bushnell to go before the judge and explain to him why you are driving an unregistered vehicle. As stated in some of the other posts, unless they are street legal and licensed, the legal speed is 20 or less. It's a safety factor. An ordinary cart has far less control and can tip over easily.

As for them doing radar on the cart paths, it could be that they are considering making some changes to the enforcement.

Just sayin'....

I find it hard to believe my cart is safe at 20mph, but unsafe at 22mph.
The extra 2 mph translates to a very very slow walking speed. I realize they have to set a limit somewhere for the law, but telling us it is for our safety is ridiculous. As far a tipping over, even at 15 mph you could tip over on a tight curve if you are too dumb to slow down. Like another poster said, concentrate their time on construction trucks, especially food vendors in the southern end of TV flying from one job to another.
Also, about a week ago while doing 21mph on St Charles, I was passed by a bicycle. Now that is not a license vehicle so why is it legal for him to go faster than me, and to cross highways that I can't?

[RichieLion]

You want common sense, or the law. Don't be silly now, Shimpy.

[runnermi]

people seem to have forgotten that they have turn signals- you ARE supposed to signal when LEAVING a traffic circle or making any other turn,

Perhaps turn signals were an option that year and the buyer choose to opt out? :1rotfl:

[missypie]

I have this vision of an old guy speeding in his golf cart and getting pulled over for speeding while my own kids are flying down the interstate at 80 mph and never being pulled over

[Posh 08]

Hmmmm, seems the speeding trucks/cars issue is one I need to look at real hard on my visit.

[GeorgeT]

Hmmmm, seems the speeding trucks/cars issue is one I need to look at real hard on my visit.

When driving on the main roads in TV in my car I set the cruise control to the posted speed limit whether it be 30 or 35. More cars pass me then trucks.

It's really funny when the same speeding drivers get on 466 and go 35-40 instead of the posted limit of 45.

[hedoman]

So these 175 citations were in August? When NOBODY is there? C'mon how about doing it in February??? What a goldmine for the county....

[GeorgeT]

So these 175 citations were in August? When NOBODY is there? C'mon how about doing it in February??? What a goldmine for the county....

Hey! I'm here!

[cybermuda]

Regular carts are limited to 20 mph, but they don't have a speedometer

1) I know mine goes faster downhill - could I be booked for speeding if I have done nothing to modify my cart or disable the limiter?

2) suppose I put on over-size wheels - I assume that would increase my top speed, but would that count as an illegal modification?

[Cliff]

Sumter County has a big change coming for us as of 1 Jan 12. Unless posted lower or higher than 25mph, all streets within the Villages will automatically be lowered to 20mph. That would mean that automobiles and trucks will be unable to pass a golf cart using that street and traveling at 19 or 20 mph. It certainly would not be a problem for an officer to cite an auto driver who is passing three or four carts on a residential street. Obviously this would have no affect on streets posted at 10, 15, 30 or 35mph. Wonderful idea and I can hardly wait for the change to take place. This information recently appeared in the Daily Sun.

[boobear51751]

That sure is not enough enforcement. We have had two deaths in less than 30 days. As a resident for over 6 years the law enforcment officer's need to step up ticketing golf cart people more. Things have really gotten worse in the last 6 years. I am a past driving instructor and know the difference between 20 mph and 30 mph by sight (without reading a meter) and am here to tell you 19 is very seldom adheard to. Not only that, STOP signs and turning signals mean next to nothing to most villagers. Must be you newbee's think the rest of us are mind readers and know what you are thinking and so you don't need to use your turning signals. Watch those circles and learn to drive them correctly or stay off of them.

[Cliff]

My God BooBear, you act as if you have been here forever. Six years is a drop in the bucket for some of us. If you had been fighting the speeders for 11 or 12 years and failing in every attempt to get the speed limits lowered, then you may feel good about this news as I do. I live on the "speed road" in the Village of Glenbrook. You want to see cars, trucks and golf carts speeding, come on over to my street.

[getdul981]

Nail 'em all!!! My wife and I were coming down St. Charles one evening after dark and a cart pulled out to pass 3 or 4 carts in a row. We were in front and could not have been going over 21 mph.(That's as fast as it will go) This cart passed us all and had to be doing at least 30 mph. It was not a street legal either, because I could hear the gasoline engine when he went by. It was a custom '57 Chevy, bright red in color and turned down Pennecamp Dr. Be careful out there folks.

[Bogie Shooter]

It was also mentioned in the article I referenced in my post, that the Sumter county sheriffs department would be adding 4 additional road patrol officers.

[billethkid]

The more tickets the better. The more officers = more tickets:BigApplause:
And the more they increase ticketing of infractions by golf carts the better too.


In my humble opinion trucks are not the problem. Yes they do contribute to the problem. The problem is the residents who think the rules/laws are for everybody but them.

I would also encourage law enforcement to implement zero tolerance, hence if you are exceeding the speed limit, hopefully you will be ticketed.

I have not been able to figure what the hurry is for retired people!?!?!?


Book 'em Wolf!!!

btk

[villagegolfer]

Nail 'em all!!! My wife and I were coming down St. Charles one evening after dark and a cart pulled out to pass 3 or 4 carts in a row. We were in front and could not have been going over 21 mph.(That's as fast as it will go) This cart passed us all and had to be doing at least 30 mph. It was not a street legal either, because I could hear the gasoline engine when he went by. It was a custom '57 Chevy, bright red in color and turned down Pennecamp Dr. Be careful out there folks.

Hey, that guy passed me too, and I was going 25 mph.:D

[getdul981]

Hey, that guy passed me too, and I was going 25 mph.:D

I could only estimate.

[runnermi]

Must be you newbee's think the rest of us are mind readers and know what you are thinking and so you don't need to use your turning signals. Watch those circles and learn to drive them correctly or stay off of them.

Well, everyone knows, ahem, that it is must only be newbees who don't use their turn signals. Long time Villagers would never think of doing something silly like that. :throwtomatoes:

[paulandjean]

Sorry to disagree, Its the long time "villagers" who do not use turn signals,or do not stop at the stop signs.

[rubicon]

I find it hard to believe my cart is safe at 20mph, but unsafe at 22mph.
The extra 2 mph translates to a very very slow walking speed. I realize they have to set a limit somewhere for the law, but telling us it is for our safety is ridiculous. As far a tipping over, even at 15 mph you could tip over on a tight curve if you are too dumb to slow down. Like another poster said, concentrate their time on construction trucks, especially food vendors in the southern end of TV flying from one job to another.
Also, about a week ago while doing 21mph on St Charles, I was passed by a bicycle. Now that is not a license vehicle so why is it legal for him to go faster than me, and to cross highways that I can't?

I agree with you and believe common sense ought to trump here. the two deaths mentioned here did not occur because of speed. In fact spped isn't the cause in most of these accident. TV has greatly expanded and will require people to travel greater distances. I have no problem with the 19mph on cartpaths. However we have many residents who are traveling below 15mph and backing up traffic. So every time I hear that guy must have passed me at 30mph or over I question that guess. Its more likely that the person being passed is under 15mph and it seems to them that a 19mph seems like 30mph. Frankly I grin and bear it because I don't want to pass anyone.

I know i am wrong but why do I feel like this citation are just plain exercises in harassment???????????????

[rhondac]

When we moved here 7 years ago, everyone was so friendly!! Most folks waved, gave a nod or at least smiled......no one was rushing around......what is the hurry??? I am in the historic area (which we LOVE) and unfortunately I think the friendly tradition has died off. I am going to start to wave to others again and see what kind of response I get. :D Slow down, enjoy the beauty that abounds and be friendly! :wave:

[LivingLarge]

Well, everyone knows, ahem, that it is must only be newbees who don't use their turn signals. Long time Villagers would never think of doing something silly like that. :throwtomatoes:

The number of newbies will be going down as build out nears. That should solve the problem (yeah right!).

[railroadman]

The reason police do very little patrolling, these days? Patrolling does not pay anything!

[runnermi]

The number of newbies will be going down as build out nears. That should solve the problem (yeah right!).
My point exactly! :1rotfl:

[zcaveman]

This may be a little off topic but I was just wondering. If I have a street legal cart that can go 25mph can I drive that speed on the multi modal paths without getting a ticket? I realize there are people that go that speed with souped up carts which is illegal but if my cart can legally go that speed on the street is it OK to drive that speed on the paths?

John

Since MOST carts only go 19 and you have walkers, joggers and bicyclists on the multinodal path, I think it would be kind of dangerous and reckless to go 25 on the multinodal paths.

[BigLew]

Nail 'em all!!! My wife and I were coming down St. Charles one evening after dark and a cart pulled out to pass 3 or 4 carts in a row. We were in front and could not have been going over 21 mph.(That's as fast as it will go) This cart passed us all and had to be doing at least 30 mph. It was not a street legal either, because I could hear the gasoline engine when he went by. It was a custom '57 Chevy, bright red in color and turned down Pennecamp Dr. Be careful out there folks.

I've pulled out at 20 and passed 2 or 3 carts....of course they were golf course rentals doing 10...:crap2:

[hedoman]

I've pulled out at 20 and passed 2 or 3 carts....of course they were golf course rentals doing 10...:crap2:

That would've been me last month in the loaner cart, a real slow boat to China.... I DID wave everyone around and slowed down so they could pass safely. EVERYBODY waved "thank you" as they went by.

Now I must ask for a definitive answer to:

"Can law enforcement issue citations on multi modal paths which are considered private property?"

Are citations given only on shared streets such as Morse north of 466?

[hedoman]

Hey! I'm here!

You know what I mean.... August vs February population wise...Man I love summers in TV.....sooooo much less congestion everywhere.....



:thumbup: :highfive: :thumbup:

[GeorgeT]

That would've been me last month in the loaner cart, a real slow boat to China.... I DID wave everyone around and slowed down so they could pass safely. EVERYBODY waved "thank you" as they went by.

Now I must ask for a definitive answer to:

"Can law enforcement issue citations on multi modal paths which are considered private property?"

Are citations given only on shared streets such as Morse north of 466?

hedoman,

I would say that you cannot be ticketed on a cart path just as you can't be ticketed on the golf course for being a bad "driver" get it....driver...golf course..ha,ha. Sorry I just woke up and my sense of humor hasn't yet!

You can only be ticketed on public roads.

[mrdills]

Has anyone tried to stop a golf cart doing 20 MPH, good luck, I don't want to be around. :22yikes:

[GeorgeT]

Has anyone tried to stop a golf cart doing 20 MPH, good luck, I don't want to be around. :22yikes:

Mine goes 21mph max and I stop all the time! Stopping really fast may be an issue but that's why you need to be aware of your environment and expect the unexpected. If say a tree limb falls in front of you or a car comes at you I think that you will stop even quicker.:boom:

[buggyone]

Now for that definitive answer:

You can only be ticketed by the police in your golf golf cart if you are on a public street. The multi-modal trails are NOT public streets. On public streets, the speed limit for non-street legal carts is 20 mph.

[skip0358]

If a trap is on a path and your going over 20 mph u may not get a speeding ticket but u can get an unregistered motor vehicle ticket. Whose going to argue with the officer and tell him he can't I've been passed on paths and my cart is legal 20MPH.

[rubicon]

If a trap is on a path and your going over 20 mph u may not get a speeding ticket but u can get an unregistered motor vehicle ticket. Whose going to argue with the officer and tell him he can't I've been passed on paths and my cart is legal 20MPH.

I agree. How else can you explain police golf carts patrolling the cart paths. I am still trying to get the connection between "your retired" and so "why are you in a hurry"???? Beside which how does one define "in a hurry" I mean while I wait for my wife to get ready for a night out she says that to me too"Why are you rushing me what's the hurry" My response is OK I read war and peace again while you get ready:D

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree. How else can you explain police golf carts patrolling the cart paths. I am still trying to get the connection between "your retired" and so "why are you in a hurry"???? Beside which how does one define "in a hurry" I mean while I wait for my wife to get ready for a night out she says that to me too"Why are you rushing me what's the hurry" My response is OK I read war and peace again while you get ready:D

How many people have seen police patrolling cart paths.......where they have no jurisdiction??

[chacam]

From the VCCDD Minutes:

Valerie Fuchs, District Counsel, advised the Board that Florida Statute Chapter 190 does not provide the District with law enforcement authority. Ms. Fuchs stated jurisdiction for law enforcement of the streets, highways and roads is vested within the counties or cities in which the roads lie, which for District 3 is held by the Sumter County Sheriff�s Office (SCSO). In response to the question raised whether the SCSO could assist the District by enforcing speeding violations that occur on the multimodal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard, Ms. Fuchs advised, because the multi-modal paths do not meet the definition under Florida Statute Chapter 316 as a road, street or highway, the SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property. Valerie Fuchs further stated the District cannot enter into an Interlocal Agreement with the SCSO to provide for the law enforcement of those multi-modal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard because the District does not have law enforcement ability to grant to the SCSO. Ms. Fuchs advised the District does have the
authority to place control mechanisms such as speed bumps or humps along the multi-modal paths to control speed if it so chose to do so.

[Bogie Shooter]

From the VCCDD Minutes:

Valerie Fuchs, District Counsel, advised the Board that Florida Statute Chapter 190 does not provide the District with law enforcement authority. Ms. Fuchs stated jurisdiction for law enforcement of the streets, highways and roads is vested within the counties or cities in which the roads lie, which for District 3 is held by the Sumter County Sheriff�s Office (SCSO). In response to the question raised whether the SCSO could assist the District by enforcing speeding violations that occur on the multimodal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard, Ms. Fuchs advised, because the multi-modal paths do not meet the definition under Florida Statute Chapter 316 as a road, street or highway, the SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property. Valerie Fuchs further stated the District cannot enter into an Interlocal Agreement with the SCSO to provide for the law enforcement of those multi-modal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard because the District does not have law enforcement ability to grant to the SCSO. Ms. Fuchs advised the District does have the
authority to place control mechanisms such as speed bumps or humps along the multi-modal paths to control speed if it so chose to do so.

Thank you for posting. It cannot be any plainer than that.

[Snowbirdtobe]

From the VCCDD Minutes:

Valerie Fuchs, District Counsel, advised the Board that Florida Statute Chapter 190 does not provide the District with law enforcement authority. Ms. Fuchs stated jurisdiction for law enforcement of the streets, highways and roads is vested within the counties or cities in which the roads lie, which for District 3 is held by the Sumter County Sheriff�s Office (SCSO). In response to the question raised whether the SCSO could assist the District by enforcing speeding violations that occur on the multimodal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard, Ms. Fuchs advised, because the multi-modal paths do not meet the definition under Florida Statute Chapter 316 as a road, street or highway, the SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property. Valerie Fuchs further stated the District cannot enter into an Interlocal Agreement with the SCSO to provide for the law enforcement of those multi-modal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard because the District does not have law enforcement ability to grant to the SCSO. Ms. Fuchs advised the District does have the
authority to place control mechanisms such as speed bumps or humps along the multi-modal paths to control speed if it so chose to do so.

I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.

The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order.

Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders.

Ban speeders from the golf reservation system.

If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.

[GeorgeT]

I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.

The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order.

Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders.

Ban speeders from the golf reservation system.

If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.

Wow, pretty drastic stuff.

[skip0358]

If they have no law enforcement juristiction why does the sherrifs golf cart ride them and why do they get called for an accident ?

[Shimpy]

I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.

The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order.

Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders.

Ban speeders from the golf reservation system.

If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.

Lets really crack down on outlaws that are driving 22 mph in a golf cart. I suggest pull all law enforcement officers that are on patrol for red light runners and school zone speeders, and use them to patrol the streets looking for fast golf carts. If we assign priorities we don't really need officers covering armed robbery and rape when we have golf carts flying around at 22 mph. We also could have the SWAT team members doing a more meaningful job watching golf carts. Seriously now, how much harm is done by a golf cart driving 2 mph over the limit? Does it endanger you? Does it bother you that he passes you? Would someone please give me a good answer. I'd hate to call the police because my home is being broken into and have a response delay because the cop was hiding behind a tree looking for a fast golf cart. A lot of people have it in their head that once a law is written that it is the way it should be. What if the law said that golf carts could go 25mph? Now going 22 mph wouldn't be a problem would it? Perfectly safe now.

[LivingLarge]

Lets really crack down on outlaws that are driving 22 mph in a golf cart. I suggest pull all law enforcement officers that are on patrol for red light runners and school zone speeders, and use them to patrol the streets looking for fast golf carts. If we assign priorities we don't really need officers covering armed robbery and rape when we have golf carts flying around at 22 mph. We also could have the SWAT team members doing a more meaningful job watching golf carts. Seriously now, how much harm is done by a golf cart driving 2 mph over the limit? Does it endanger you? Does it bother you that he passes you? Would someone please give me a good answer. I'd hate to call the police because my home is being broken into and have a response delay because the cop was hiding behind a tree looking for a fast golf cart. A lot of people have it in their head that once a law is written that it is the way it should be. What if the law said that golf carts could go 25mph? Now going 22 mph wouldn't be a problem would it? Perfectly safe now.

Oh Oh, can of worms. But I know someone who would say "Ditto".

[Bogie Shooter]

If they have no law enforcement juristiction why does the sherrifs golf cart ride them and why do they get called for an accident ?

I assume the accident happened on a county owned road, why wouldn't the sheriff be called?
Where is this sheriffs golf cart riding the multi-model path?

[Bogie Shooter]

I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.Who is going to do this and how is it going to be paid for? What if they never cross a county road?The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order. Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders. This is similiar to a prostitution sting....great idea?Ban speeders from the golf reservation system. What about tennis or pickle ball players, or line dancers, water polo players? If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.Not a good idea either.

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[Challenger]

I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

[skip0358]

Has been seen on Morse Blvd GC trail also by Sea Breeze and coming south on Buenna Vista fron LSL.

[dillywho]

Maybe I'm not looking at all of this right, don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have opinions like everyone else on here. Here goes...

It seems to me that the speeding issue comes down to what's happening in many areas of society today and it's the "me, me, me" attitude. Whatever I want to do no matter if there may be consequences to others. It's the same with the rude parking issues in the squares. Who cares if you get blocked in...you're where I want to park. My cart's nicer than yours so I deserve the whole space. And on and on it goes. Are there always bad consequences? Of course not, but sometimes they are bad. This place is supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment...not just a select few. It seems to be getting more and more the latter, unfortunately. I thought most of us came here to enjoy life and get away from the proverbial "rat race", not bring it along. As far as getting passed by faster carts....happens all the time to us. I don't really care because I don't have to be anywhere first. Go for it. I get there when I get there at my little 19.6.

If the speed is set to 25, then you will have those that have to go 30. Set it to 30 and they will have to go 35. The same thing happens on the highways and roads all the time. Speed limit is 35 - go 45+; speed limit 70 - go 80+; speed limit 85 - go 100, etc.

Why?

BTW, if you do have an accident with your golf cart on the paths, are you saying you don't think SCSO should be called since they don't have any jurisdiction on the paths anyway? How would that affect an insurance claim?

[Shirleevee]

I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

I saw the Golf Cart Sheriff twice, once at the V.A. Clinic and once ...opps can't recall, I took a picture of the cart.

[hedoman]

hedoman,

I would say that you cannot be ticketed on a cart path just as you can't be ticketed on the golf course for being a bad "driver" get it....driver...golf course..ha,ha. Sorry I just woke up and my sense of humor hasn't yet!

You can only be ticketed on public roads.

George,
You crack me up! Is that like beer on the golf course? Don't "drink and drive"

ROTFL

[GeorgeT]

George,
You crack me up! Is that like beer on the golf course? Don't "drink and drive"

ROTFL

Wow! You get up earlier then me!

I can hardly drive when I don't drink imagine if I did drink and drive. I have a tee time later today and was thinking about using a designated driver!

I hope people know what we're talking about otherwise I'm in trouble!

:icon_wink:

[GeorgeT]

Maybe I'm not looking at all of this right, don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have opinions like everyone else on here. Here goes...

It seems to me that the speeding issue comes down to what's happening in many areas of society today and it's the "me, me, me" attitude. Whatever I want to do no matter if there may be consequences to others. It's the same with the rude parking issues in the squares. Who cares if you get blocked in...you're where I want to park. My cart's nicer than yours so I deserve the whole space. And on and on it goes. Are there always bad consequences? Of course not, but sometimes they are bad. This place is supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment...not just a select few. It seems to be getting more and more the latter, unfortunately. I thought most of us came here to enjoy life and get away from the proverbial "rat race", not bring it along. As far as getting passed by faster carts....happens all the time to us. I don't really care because I don't have to be anywhere first. Go for it. I get there when I get there at my little 19.6.

If the speed is set to 25, then you will have those that have to go 30. Set it to 30 and they will have to go 35. The same thing happens on the highways and roads all the time. Speed limit is 35 - go 45+; speed limit 70 - go 80+; speed limit 85 - go 100, etc.

Why?

BTW, if you do have an accident with your golf cart on the paths, are you saying you don't think SCSO should be called since they don't have any jurisdiction on the paths anyway? How would that affect an insurance claim?

Dilly,

You're right. People are people and this place is a mix of all types. People pass me and I pass people sometimes too. (my cart isn't modified) I'll only pass someone if it's safe and they are going less than say 15-16mph mostly just because it's easier to drive with the pedal to the metal. Yesterday I had an exception. I forgot about a 9:12 tee time and was very, very late. I passed someone who was going about 15mph on the trail and yelled as I passed "Sorry, I'm in a hurry". I got a dirty look and deserved it but as they say "poop happens". So no matter how nice of a guy I think I am while driving my cart I screwed up yesterday. The funny thing was that when I arrived at the clubhouse I was actually a day early cause my tee time was for today! I'll make up for it today by leaving early and letting someone pass me to balance out the world again.:police:

[LivingLarge]

Dilly,

You're right. People are people and this place is a mix of all types. People pass me and I pass people sometimes too. (my cart isn't modified) I'll only pass someone if it's safe and they are going less than say 15-16mph mostly just because it's easier to drive with the pedal to the metal. Yesterday I had an exception. I forgot about a 9:12 tee time and was very, very late. I passed someone who was going about 15mph on the trail and yelled as I passed "Sorry, I'm in a hurry". I got a dirty look and deserved it but as they say "poop happens". So no matter how nice of a guy I think I am while driving my cart I screwed up yesterday. The funny thing was that when I arrived at the clubhouse I was actually a day early cause my tee time was for today! I'll make up for it today by leaving early and letting someone pass me to balance out the world again.:police:

Why would you get a dirty look? I would think that, just like in a car, it's perfectly fine to pass someone. No?

[tpop1]

:agree:Maybe I'm not looking at all of this right, don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have opinions like everyone else on here. Here goes...

It seems to me that the speeding issue comes down to what's happening in many areas of society today and it's the "me, me, me" attitude. Whatever I want to do no matter if there may be consequences to others. It's the same with the rude parking issues in the squares. Who cares if you get blocked in...you're where I want to park. My cart's nicer than yours so I deserve the whole space. And on and on it goes. Are there always bad consequences? Of course not, but sometimes they are bad. This place is supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment...not just a select few. It seems to be getting more and more the latter, unfortunately. I thought most of us came here to enjoy life and get away from the proverbial "rat race", not bring it along. As far as getting passed by faster carts....happens all the time to us. I don't really care because I don't have to be anywhere first. Go for it. I get there when I get there at my little 19.6.

If the speed is set to 25, then you will have those that have to go 30. Set it to 30 and they will have to go 35. The same thing happens on the highways and roads all the time. Speed limit is 35 - go 45+; speed limit 70 - go 80+; speed limit 85 - go 100, etc.

Why?

BTW, if you do have an accident with your golf cart on the paths, are you saying you don't think SCSO should be called since they don't have any jurisdiction on the paths anyway? How would that affect an insurance claim?

:agree:

The speed limit is 20 MPG, go 20 MPH.

[Barefoot]

I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

Yes, I've seen police on MM paths with motorcycles.

[getdul981]

I've done it and everyone does it, but I have been told that it is illegal to cross the solid white line on the streets in order to pass someone.

[GeorgeT]

I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

Ahhhhhh....It's the ones that you don't see.

[clekr]

I have seen a Sumter County deputy in a cart on the MM near Arnold Palmer. About a year ago. He was heading south.

[mrfixit]

....Have seen SUMTER Sheriff Cart with RAY-GUN in "Caroline" Postal Station.......then....their cohorts in cars waiting in "Coconut Cove" Rec Center driveway

[rubicon]

On the way to the course this AM I came upon a golf cart going 11-12 MPH, I passed at 16-17 mph and saw the look on the driver's face that read "this guy is passing me overe 30 mph:D

On the way back home I came upon two more carts going 11-12mph. One driver just pulled over and let me go by at 16-17mph. However when I got the the next cart she just went truckin along until I found a clear flat and straight portion of the cart path to pass again 16-17 mph.

I could not see one car in my travels this AM that exceeded 19 mph

[Bogie Shooter]

....Have seen SUMTER Sheriff Cart with RAY-GUN in "Caroline" Postal Station.......then....their cohorts in cars waiting in "Coconut Cove" Rec Center driveway

Were they checking people on the street??

[LivingLarge]

On the way to the course this AM I came upon a golf cart going 11-12 MPH, I passed at 16-17 mph and saw the look on the driver's face that read "this guy is passing me overe 30 mph:D

On the way back home I came upon two more carts going 11-12mph. One driver just pulled over and let me go by at 16-17mph. However when I got the the next cart she just went truckin along until I found a clear flat and straight portion of the cart path to pass again 16-17 mph.

I could not see one car in my travels this AM that exceeded 19 mph

As Albert said "It's all relative"

[GeorgeT]

I have seen a Sumter County deputy in a cart on the MM near Arnold Palmer. About a year ago. He was heading south.

I think I saw that one too except that he was heading north and he had Elvis pulled over!

[Bogie Shooter]

I think I saw that one too except that he was heading north and he had Elvis pulled over!

There are a lot of Elvis impersonators in TV.:coolsmiley:

[villagegolfer]

There are a lot of Elvis impersonators in TV.:coolsmiley:

Wow, isn't this place cool???? :beer3:

[GeorgeT]

Wow, isn't this place cool???? :beer3:

"Thank you....Thank you very much."

E.

[villagegolfer]

"Thank you....Thank you very much."

E.

:eclipsee_gold_cup: All the good ones left us too early.

[gatherer47]

During last Friday's torrential rain,I was going home on Morse traveling south in my cart.You couldn't see two feet in front of you and the thunder and lightning were all around.Naturally I had to proceed at a much slower rate than usual.There were many cars also going the same direction.The next thing I know a golf cart pulls out on Morse Boulevard to pass me.I thought to myself does this guy value his life so little that he just has to get where he's going in such a hurry?I was dumbstruck.I have seen this kind of compulsion to get where you are going quickly and damn the consequences far too often.It's been almost a week and I'm still irked.

[Russ_Boston]

Personally I think we do need to make sure that REAL cart speeders are stopped but 22 is too tight IMHO.

I love how everyone is being so polite to everyone all of a sudden - maybe it was me!

[Pturner]

Personally I think we do need to make sure that REAL cart speeders are stopped but 22 is too tight IMHO.

I love how everyone is being so polite to everyone all of a sudden - maybe it was me!

I agree.

Russ, it's so nice to see you! Skyguy can change his signature now.

[new peeps]

Russ, Good to see your back.:BigApplause:

[duffysmom]

Welcome home Russ, you were missed.

[JohnFromMaine]

When we moved here 7 years ago, everyone was so friendly!! Most folks waved, gave a nod or at least smiled......no one was rushing around......what is the hurry??? I am in the historic area (which we LOVE) and unfortunately I think the friendly tradition has died off. I am going to start to wave to others again and see what kind of response I get. :D Slow down, enjoy the beauty that abounds and be friendly! :wave:

:wave:
As a former sailboater, I always waved while out sailing, even at the :censored: power boaters.
I'm with you! :agree:
:wave:

[JohnFromMaine]

I have seen a Sumter County deputy in a cart on the MM near Arnold Palmer. About a year ago. He was heading south.

No doubt looking for a donut shop? :pepper2: :22yikes:
:oops: Sorry, couldn't resist. :rolleyes:

[downeaster]

Personally I think we do need to make sure that REAL cart speeders are stopped but 22 is too tight IMHO.

I love how everyone is being so polite to everyone all of a sudden - maybe it was me!

Golf carts are not stopped for speeding at 22 MPH in a 25 MPH zone, Russ. They are stopped because their cart is modified to exceed 20 MPH. Any cart capable of exceeding 20 MPH must be registered as a motor vehicle. Here is a good read on this subject http://www2.fiu.edu/~ehs/safety_policies/policies_golf_cart_fla_statute.htm

A (an?) LSV must not be capable of speeds exceeding 25 MPH and must be registered. A gas cart cannot be registered as a LSV as an LSV must be electric.

BTW, good to have you back.

[JohnFromMaine]

Personally I think we do need to make sure that REAL cart speeders are stopped but 22 is too tight IMHO.

I love how everyone is being so polite to everyone all of a sudden - maybe it was me!

I've always heard that the police give you 10 MPH over the speed limit on the highways and have passed many a speed trap doing that and not been stopped (Knock on wood.). When in England a couple of years ago I was told that they give you 10% over the speed limit.

My cart can squeeze out 22 MPH on a flat (According to my Garmin.) and I think that 2 MPH is hardly a huge difference. As someone said earlier here, most can walk faster than that. The county issues a ticket for the cart being unregistered simply because it's a higher fine. Some politician decided that, I'm sure.

What they should do is ticket for speeding and require that the vehicle either be made street legal and registered or "unmodified" and have the vehicle owner show proof of compliance to the county within a specified time frame. All at the cart owner's expense, including the speeding fine.

[buggyone]

Bottom line is when you are on a public street or road in your golf cart - do not go faster than 20 mph. If you do not have a speedometer and want one installed, it is not a bad idea at all to do so.

Same thing goes for drinking a beer in your golf cart on a public road. It is against the law - do not do it.

[LivingLarge]

They are stopped because their cart is modified to exceed 20 MPH. Any cart capable of exceeding 20 MPH must be registered as a motor vehicle.

That's County revenue raising 101. Still say they have much more important things to worry about. Who do you think gets some of the REGISTERED money? Not to mention the citation itself. Always, always, follow the money.

Yes, I know it's the law. But there are literally 100's of laws on the books that are not enforced to the letter. Most of these lightly enforced laws do not bring any cash into the county.

[dillywho]

Seems better to raise revenue through tickets than to raise taxes. Works for me.

[Russ_Boston]

Don't flatter yourself, we have a new ADMIN. They are doing an excellent job. But I did miss your posts, Russ.:beer3:

A new admin, yes.

In your opinion is the new admin doing something that is fostering a new attitude? If so I'd love to hear it. Or is he deleting some posts or something? If so then that's a good thing.

But just the fact that you say "Don't flatter yourself" is the reason I went away in the first place. Is that any way to address another poster? Isn't that what i meant last week when I said it is getting too personal? You just proved it once again.

I knew I shouldn't have let in and posted again. I'll just go back to lurking so I can gather info like in the past. But post again?

[Indydealmaker]

A new admin, yes.

In your opinion is the new admin doing something that is fostering a new attitude? If so I'd love to hear it. Or is he deleting some posts or something? If so then that's a good thing.

But just the fact that you say "Don't flatter yourself" is the reason I went away in the first place. Is that any way to address another poster? Isn't that what i meant last week when I said it is getting too personal? You just proved it once again.

I knew I shouldn't have let in and posted again. I'll just go back to lurking so I can gather info like in the past. But post again?

Russ, I think he was joking. He did say he missed your posts. Most posting here are just regular TVers, not wordsmiths. Sometimes the written word does not come out quite as intended. Hang around.

[eweissenbach]

A new admin, yes.

In your opinion is the new admin doing something that is fostering a new attitude? If so I'd love to hear it. Or is he deleting some posts or something? If so then that's a good thing.

But just the fact that you say "Don't flatter yourself" is the reason I went away in the first place. Is that any way to address another poster? Isn't that what i meant last week when I said it is getting too personal? You just proved it once again.

I knew I shouldn't have let in and posted again. I'll just go back to lurking so I can gather info like in the past. But post again?

The new admin did post some intention to be tougher on trolls and disagreeable posters. I too miss your insights, but to be honest, it seems you are being a little oversensitive to the above post. that did not seem to me to rise to the level of insulting, given his statement that he missed your posts. jmho Ed

[GeorgeT]

Please, lets get back on subject.

I think more carts should be cited for overcroudedness than going 2-4 mph over the speed limit. Some carts I've seen look like the little car in the circus where 10 clowns will get out. Only we're not dealing with clowns (well maybe the driver) but mostly very small children.

[villagegolfer]

A new admin, yes.

In your opinion is the new admin doing something that is fostering a new attitude? If so I'd love to hear it. Or is he deleting some posts or something? If so then that's a good thing.

But just the fact that you say "Don't flatter yourself" is the reason I went away in the first place. Is that any way to address another poster? Isn't that what i meant last week when I said it is getting too personal? You just proved it once again.

I knew I shouldn't have let in and posted again. I'll just go back to lurking so I can gather info like in the past. But post again?

Russ, you are right. I meant it to be funny but I guess it didn't come out right.
Sorry.

[villagegolfer]

The new admin did post some intention to be tougher on trolls and disagreeable posters. I too miss your insights, but to be honest, it seems you are being a little oversensitive to the above post. that did not seem to me to rise to the level of insulting, given his statement that he missed your posts. jmho Ed

Thank you for the kind words. I guess I'll have to go back and read my posts again before I click on the "Submit Reply" button. I also had the toasting beer icon too.

[Russ_Boston]

My last word on the subject of being civil. The easiest way is to not call anyone out personally. Some jokes don't come out well in written form. If we stick to the subject then things are usually fine. As far as being too sensitive to the post you'd have to have walked in my shoes over the past 4 years on this board. I normally have a very thick skin and I'm one of the most patient people you would ever meet. But I had some PM's that were borderline theatening (remember, because of my openness most people can figure out where I live). I took these PM's very seriously. It's just not worth it.

But this is a good topic so let's not turn this into a 'Russ' drama production.

I'll hang around in a much more limited fashion than before.

Now back to golf cart speeding topic...

I'm getting a speedometer in my cart!!


PS> VG and I have spoken via PM and everything is well. I was too harsh.

[mrsanborn]

Please explain to this novice how these carts are going over 20mph. From what I have read on the spec sheets from the different manufacturers, 15mph seems to be the max norm for gas carts and 19mph for the electrics. I am very curious because in about 4 weeks my next purchase will be a cart.

[memason]

My last word on the subject of being civil. The easiest way is to not call anyone out personally. Some jokes don't come out well in written form. If we stick to the subject then things are usually fine. As far as being too sensitive to the post you'd have to have walked in my shoes over the past 4 years on this board. I normally have a very thick skin and I'm one of the most patient people you would ever meet. But I had some PM's that were borderline theatening (remember, because of my openness most people can figure out where I live). I took these PM's very seriously. It's just not worth it.

But this is a good topic so let's not turn this into a 'Russ' drama production.

I'll hang around in a much more limited fashion than before.

Now back to golf cart speeding topic...

I'm getting a speedometer in my cart!!


PS> VG and I have spoken via PM and everything is well. I was too harsh.

Just my thoughts on cart speedometers.... If you are stopped for going a little over the limit and have a speedometer installed, it'll be pretty hard to plead ignorance as in... "Sorry, I don't have a speedometer on this cart and I haven't modified anything ?????"

I use SPEEDVIEW on my Android phone to check speed once in a while... I have not modified my cart in any way, but I have hit 28mph, going downhill with the wind at my back. On the level, it runs at about 22mph. Then there's my electric cart that refuses to go more than 20mph via electronics.

Just another perspective on speedometers....

[villagegolfer]

Please explain to this novice how these carts are going over 20mph. From what I have read on the spec sheets from the different manufacturers, 15mph seems to be the max norm for gas carts and 19mph for the electrics. I am very curious because in about 4 weeks my next purchase will be a cart.

The governors can be adjusted. I have a speedometer on my cart and I really like it. It has an odometer too, which comes in handy to check my gas milage and it has a trip mode which I like, too.

[faithfulfrank]

This might seem obvious, but I have also checked my golfcart speed very easily using my GPS. It seems to be quite accurate.
This might be a solution for some who may not wish to go through the hassle/cost of installing a speedometer.

Frank

[zcaveman]

Just my thoughts on cart speedometers.... If you are stopped for going a little over the limit and have a speedometer installed, it'll be pretty hard to plead ignorance as in... "Sorry, I don't have a speedometer on this cart and I haven't modified anything ?????"

Just another perspective on speedometers....

I like that one. I think I will take my GPS on the next few rides to see what I am actually doing.

Occasionally the Marion County police put a radar board up so you can check your speed. I have not seen one lately so a GPS test is the next best thing.

[BigLew]

This might seem obvious, but I have also checked my golfcart speed very easily using my GPS. It seems to be quite accurate.
This might be a solution for some who may not wish to go through the hassle/cost of installing a speedometer.

Frank

as others have also said, this an easy way to check your speed. I had a new motor installed a couple of years ago to improve my torque on hills, so I can maintain my 19mph uphill and believe me if someone is going 12 mph in front of me I will pass them. I don't see why, if I am going the legal limit, someone should be upset by that. Again, while for some reason, people like to 'rag' on cart drivers, during the same period, when the 13 citations were issued to carts 162 citations were issued to CARS

[Shimpy]

I like that one. I think I will take my GPS on the next few rides to see what I am actually doing.

Occasionally the Marion County police put a radar board up so you can check your speed. I have not seen one lately so a GPS test is the next best thing.

Those radar devices are usually pretty accurate except the one I drove past on Rolling Acres road about 6 weeks ago in my car doing 37 and it said 90.

[Posh 08]

Those radar devices are usually pretty accurate except the one I drove past on Rolling Acres road about 6 weeks ago in my car doing 37 and it said 90.

Ouch.

[blaZen]

Yikes!......I may have to start placing beer in a Sonic cup:boxing2:

[hedoman]

Wow! You get up earlier then me!

I can hardly drive when I don't drink imagine if I did drink and drive. I have a tee time later today and was thinking about using a designated driver!

I hope people know what we're talking about otherwise I'm in trouble!

:icon_wink:

GT,

Betcha I go to bed earlier...... My designated driver is Titlelist or Ping....:icon_wink: