Job well done.....

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If President Obama unzipped his body covering and Jesus stepped out, the Republicans and Fox would yell "blasphemer" or they'd turn Atheist! They just won't give him a kind word or nice job, Prez.

Personally I think what the republicans are doing right now is treason.... Wanting to president to fail is wanting the US to fail.

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If President Obama unzipped his body covering and Jesus stepped out, the Republicans and Fox would yell "blasphemer" or they'd turn Atheist! They just won't give him a kind word or nice job, Prez. :thumbup:

You need to expand your reading and education and I say that with all due respect.

You sound like a party person who reads moveon or something. Please talk issues....for what are you giving this President such large kudos ? Are you talking about Libya....I may have agreed with you on this if he had not continued his stretching of the truth early on.

Your reference to Fox by the way is very stereotypical, but perhaps that is your wish.

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Seriously doubt that Jesus will cllimb out of the Obama suit. This is a man that has not respect for the life of the unborn...even those who @ ten weeks after conception have a beating heart of their own, seperate and distinct from their mother. Too bad :cry:

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You need to expand your reading and education and I say that with all due respect.

You sound like a party person who reads moveon or something. Please talk issues....for what are you giving this President such large kudos ? Are you talking about Libya....I may have agreed with you on this if he had not continued his stretching of the truth early on.

Your reference to Fox by the way is very stereotypical, but perhaps that is your wish.

I have posted stats, facts, and everything else I could find to post and it's all been ignored. I post this and THIS is what gets a response???? As to my reading... I have read Rush, Beck, and Bush... (BTW Rush used to be really good until he got crazy and Beck has some good ideas but be sure to check it all because he tends to take liberties). I have watch FOX and well as CNN.... I have googled EVERY e-mail that has been sent to me. I try to read EVERYTHIG so that I can get to the truth. The truth is my future.

When Richieloins posted debt by our presidents I was WOW'd and impressed... Whoa... Mr. Obama spent that much money?? But I had to know where the money went and why. I had to have more answers I found them and posted them and do you know what I found??? NO one really wants to know.

As to what the republicans are doing??? They are walking away from THEIR bills and policies any time Mr. Obama says he likes them. They are deliberately tying his hands!!! This isn't hurting Mr. Obama as much as it's hurting our country. The only people who don't seem to know that they are doing this are people like you!!! Look it up... I'm tired of doing your homework. Am I a party person??? NO! Will I vote for someone who will tank the US to make someone look bad? NO!!!!

As to FOX news.. Are you aware that Canada won't let FOX news in their country because they want REAL news and not lies?

http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/9037-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada.html

As to move on... Nope... I think I've seen it but not much more then that.

I don't care about parties and I hate that they are here... Parties are deviding us and doing more harm then good!!!! I don't have the answers, but this is NOT it.

How are your investments doing???? I didn't get really mad at the republicans until they held us hostage and I watched the market bleed. NO you nor anyone else can blame that on the president!!! They played a dangerious game with our money... with MY money.

Republicans want to take away SS and medicare. I'm taking care of ME! I could care less about a party! Do you think I would vote for someone who wants to take away my SS and medicare?

As to education... I question anyone who thinks all of this is a good idea.

Am I specific enought for you???? :D

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Seriously doubt that Jesus will cllimb out of the Obama suit. This is a man that has not respect for the life of the unborn...even those who @ ten weeks after conception have a beating heart of their own, seperate and distinct from their mother. Too bad :cry:

Get over the gay marriage and abortion thing!!! Time to get back to basics. No one cares that our young boys are dyeing in wars.... and killing people who work in abortion clinics? Stop bringing that crap up every time someone tries to talk about issues!!!

If you are as old as I am, you remember before abortion was legal and you remember the back door clinics. You will not stop abortion... You will only take it back to the alleys!

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If President Obama unzipped his body covering and Jesus stepped out, the Republicans and Fox would yell "blasphemer" or they'd turn Atheist! They just won't give him a kind word or nice job, Prez.

Personally I think what the republicans are doing right now is treason.... Wanting to president to fail is wanting the US to fail.

Wanting socialism to fail will benefit every citizen of America, and the free world.

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Get over the gay marriage and abortion thing!!! Time to get back to basics. No one cares that our young boys are dyeing in wars.... and killing people who work in abortion clinics? Stop bringing that crap up every time someone tries to talk about issues!!!

If you are as old as I am, you remember before abortion was legal and you remember the back door clinics. You will not stop abortion... You will only take it back to the alleys!

Oh wow, retro slogans from the 60's. Have you seen the TV show Mad Men? I think you would love the nostalgia.

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Wanting socialism to fail will benefit every citizen of America, and the free world.

He is agreeing with the republicans and telling them THEY have good ideas and THEY are walking away from THEIR policies.

Sooo What Are YOU talking about????

I don't care who the president is... Mr. Bush used to say "you are either with us, or ou are against us". Well... That still holds true!!!

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I have posted stats, facts, and everything else I could find to post and it's all been ignored. I post this and THIS is what gets a response???? As to my reading... I have read Rush, Beck, and Bush... (BTW Rush used to be really good until he got crazy and Beck has some good ideas but be sure to check it all because he tends to take liberties). I have watch FOX and well as CNN.... I have googled EVERY e-mail that has been sent to me. I try to read EVERYTHIG so that I can get to the truth. The truth is my future.

When Richieloins posted debt by our presidents I was WOW'd and impressed... Whoa... Mr. Obama spent that much money?? But I had to know where the money went and why. I had to have more answers I found them and posted them and do you know what I found??? NO one really wants to know.

As to what the republicans are doing??? They are walking away from THEIR bills and policies any time Mr. Obama says he likes them. They are deliberately tying his hands!!! This isn't hurting Mr. Obama as much as it's hurting our country. The only people who don't seem to know that they are doing this are people like you!!! Look it up... I'm tired of doing your homework. Am I a party person??? NO! Will I vote for someone who will tank the US to make someone look bad? NO!!!!

As to FOX news.. Are you aware that Canada won't let FOX news in their country because they want REAL news and not lies?

http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/9037-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada.html

As to move on... Nope... I think I've seen it but not much more then that.

I don't care about parties and I hate that they are here... Parties are deviding us and doing more harm then good!!!! I don't have the answers, but this is NOT it.

How are your investments doing???? I didn't get really mad at the republicans until they held us hostage and I watched the market bleed. NO you nor anyone else can blame that on the president!!! They played a dangerious game with our money... with MY money.

Republicans want to take away SS and medicare. I'm taking care of ME! I could care less about a party! Do you think I would vote for someone who wants to take away my SS and medicare?

As to education... I question anyone who thinks all of this is a good idea.

Am I specific enought for you???? :D

You do in fact sound very stereotypical.....it makes no difference if you read Rush or Beck...do you believe they represent the Republican party ? Of course you do, because you have told they do.

What did you read of Bush may I ask ?

I am not going to go into your entire note rightnow, but WHERE DID YOU GET THE "Republicans want to take away SS and medicare" ? THAT is pure unadulturated party goobly gook.

Listen, I am not a party guy.....was once many many years ago when I worked for the Dem party but trust me...you are spieling the "company line"

Oh and since a friend of mine travels to Canada a lot and watches various Fox news items...did some looking just to be sure....although I dont watch nor endorse Fox, I know it cannot be as self servng and downright mean as the MSNBC crews...but anyway,

"In 2003, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) rejected a Canadian Cable Telecommunications Association (CCTA) application to bring Fox News to Canada because Fox News U.S. and Global Television were planning to create Fox News Canada, a combination of U.S. and Canadian news. However in 2004, after a Fox U.S. executive said there were no plans to create the combined channel, the CRTC approved an application to bring Fox News to Canada.[79]
Fox News Channel is currently offered by Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV. A notable exception is Vidéotron, Canada's third largest cable company, which has not added Fox News Channel to its lineup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel

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You do in fact sound very stereotypical.....it makes no difference if you read Rush or Beck...do you believe they represent the Republican party ? Of course you do, because you have told they do.

What did you read of Bush may I ask ?

I am not going to go into your entire note rightnow, but WHERE DID YOU GET THE "Republicans want to take away SS and medicare" ? THAT is pure unadulturated party goobly gook.

Listen, I am not a party guy.....was once many many years ago when I worked for the Dem party but trust me...you are spieling the "company line"


http://youtu.be/qqScuGug_6U

"Decision Point"

Funny I read it all and watch it all and when I say something you don't like... You call it the Party Line? I will not longer do your homework!!!

I just finished FDR as well as a very good book written by a young German gentleman who lived during that time and his observations. Interesting read.

Oh... and I have Palin's book to read next. :D

I don't believe you can speak on anything unless you research it all.. I'm sorry if my conclusions don't agree with yours.

PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

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http://youtu.be/qqScuGug_6U

"Decision Point"

Funny I read it all and watch it all and when I say something you don't like... You call it the Party Line? I will not longer do your homework!!!

I just finished FDR as well as a very good book written by a young German gentleman who lived during that time and his observations. Interesting read.

Oh... and I have Palin's book to read next. :D

I don't believe you can speak on anything unless you research it all.. I'm sorry if my conclusions don't agree with yours.

PROVE ME WRONG!!!!

Sorry...no reasoning here for sure...enjoy your health care and the associated costs and they lying and backrooms that got it for you....enjoy the continuing politics being played by a man who swore that would never happen...that and the public debate on health care which didnt happen either..oops he forgot.

Enjoy the reprussions from wasting over a year on the healthcare while he ignored more important things...oh, and all those terrible things from the last admiinistration that he called everyone out on...you know, the Patriot act, GTMO, etc..the ones he extended once he got in. Ignore the massive bail out bill which was and this is from DEMS...a huge giant build up of pork...oh thats right...he demeaned that when he ran and said it would not happen. A wonderful presidency which you seem to feel is just fine and dandy..so enjoy

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Sorry...no reasoning here for sure...enjoy your health care and the associated costs and they lying and backrooms that got it for you....enjoy the continuing politics being played by a man who swore that would never happen...that and the public debate on health care which didnt happen either..oops he forgot.

Enjoy the reprussions from wasting over a year on the healthcare while he ignored more important things...oh, and all those terrible things from the last admiinistration that he called everyone out on...you know, the Patriot act, GTMO, etc..the ones he extended once he got in. Ignore the massive bail out bill which was and this is from DEMS...a huge giant build up of pork...oh thats right...he demeaned that when he ran and said it would not happen. A wonderful presidency which you seem to feel is just fine and dandy..so enjoy


That bail out saved our economy!!!! Don't even think it didn't!!!!

I will agree with you on the Health care! I will hold his feet to the fire an many things! I will agree with you on many things. If you read my threads you will see that.

But the Republicans walking away from their own bills??? PLEASE... We need to hold their feet to the fire as well!!! All of them need to be accountable!!!

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That bail out saved our economy!!!! Don't even think it didn't!!!!

I will agree with you on the Health care! I will hold his feet to the fire an many things! I will agree with you on many things. If you read my threads you will see that.

But the Republicans walking away from their own bills??? PLEASE... We need to hold their feet to the fire as well!!! All of them need to be accountable!!!

It only extended this depression, that's all.

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It only extended this depression, that's all.

The stock market was coming up... Easy to prove. The unemployment numbers were going down. (google it) The quarterly reports were coming in GREAT...OH wait... The debt ceiling debacle blew it ALL out of the water!!!

Suddenly all the good we were going into is stopping and why??? ummmm

Again... PROVE ME WRONG!!!

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Fact is unemployment has gotten worse

Stock market responded to Obama no plans

Food stamps recipients have ballooned

Welfare has expanded

Disability social security is bankrupt

Stock market don't like Obama

Small business don't like Obama

Big business don't like Obama

Left-wing progressives don't like Obama

The good news? Some Muslim and communist nations love Obama.

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Fact is unemployment has gotten worse

Stock market responded to Obama no plans

Food stamps recipients have ballooned

Welfare has expanded

Disability social security is bankrupt

Stock market don't like Obama

Small business don't like Obama

Big business don't like Obama

Left-wing progressives don't like Obama

The good news? Some Muslim and communist nations love Obama.

If you had read the link I posted in aother thread (which I'm sure you didn't becasue you only seem to want to argue and never hit on anything in the links) you might have read this!

"–TARP was authorized when Bush was President (although much of the spending occured in 2009, it was spending that Bush caused, not Obama)
–in economic downturns, you don’t only get a decrease in revenues–you also get an automatic increase in spending (for welfare, food stamps, unemployment insurance) caused not by policy choices made in 2009, but by the act of previously enacted legislation. This would have occured if McCain had been President, and the effect with 9.8% unemployment is actually massive"

Stop blowing smoke!!!! You are just putting out the words and not backing it up with anything!

Prove it wrong!!!

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If you had read the link I posted in aother thread (which I'm sure you didn't becasue you only seem to want to argue and never hit on anything in the links) you might have read this!

"–TARP was authorized when Bush was President (although much of the spending occured in 2009, it was spending that Bush caused, not Obama)
–in economic downturns, you don’t only get a decrease in revenues–you also get an automatic increase in spending (for welfare, food stamps, unemployment insurance) caused not by policy choices made in 2009, but by the act of previously enacted legislation. This would have occured if McCain had been President, and the effect with 9.8% unemployment is actually massive"

Stop blowing smoke!!!! You are just putting out the words and not backing it up with anything!

Prove it wrong!!!
Obama said if we pass the stimulus bill it would put people back to work and unemployment would stay below 8%. He spent one trillion dollars and unemployment expanded and nobody knows where the money went. Do you?

Also, convince me that your not an Obama water carrier.

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Obama said if we pass the –TARP was authorized when Bush was President (although much of the spending occured in 2009, it was spending that Bush caused, not Obama)
–in economic downturns, you don’t only get a decrease in revenues–you also get an automatic increase in spending (for welfare, food stamps, unemployment insurance) caused not by policy choices made in 2009, but by the act of previously enacted legislation. This would have occured if McCain had been President, and the effect with 9.8% unemployment is actually massive
it would put people back to work and unemployment would stay below 8%. He spent one trillion dollars and unemployment expanded and nobody knows where the money went. Do you?

Also, convince me that your not an Obama water carrier.


*laughing* Yep I do... It saved my job... It saved many jobs at CAT where my husband works becasue they supplied some of the companies that got that money, it saved the job of my friend in Ohio who worked for a printing company that supplied one of the companies that got that money! YES!!! I do know where it went!!! I do know the people who were waiting for that money to KEEP their jobs! It was in fact under the Bush adminstration and I thank him for that!!!

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You need to do your own homework. I have been doing all the work and you have shown me nothing!!!

Bottom line... You got nothing!!!! :(

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You need to do your own homework. I have been doing all the work and you have shown me nothing!!!

Bottom line... You got nothing!!!! :(
That is not nice and I think your breaking the rules and attacking me. Please stop attacking me or I will put you on my ignore list.

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That is not nice and I think your breaking the rules and attacking me. Please stop attacking me or I will put you on my ignore list.


Golfer made another funny.... I like that!!! :D

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Golfer made another funny.... I like that!!! :D

I'm not laughing.chilout

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I'm not laughing.chilout


*sigh* You never are.....

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Angiefox10,
I'm new to this blog and find many of the bloggers uneducated and rude but I find you refreshing. I respect how you state your own opinion and back it up with facts. (ya I know, many on the right don't need no stinking facts when 1/2 truths and lies will do nicely).

Keep up the good fight.

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Angiefox10,
I'm new to this blog and find many of the bloggers uneducated and rude but I find you refreshing. I respect how you state your own opinion and back it up with facts. (ya I know, many on the right don't need no stinking facts when 1/2 truths and lies will do nicely).

Keep up the good fight.


Thanks... But no one want to know the truth. I will be happy to read anything they have... but they don't give me anything.

I just want us ALL to hold ALL their feet to the fire!!! For us and for our children.

That being said... I need to get off this as it's just taking my energy away. But thanks anyway.

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Hey Villagegolfer,
Is the little lady attaching you? Please put me on your ignore list. I said please so I hope you don't think I'm attaching you.

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Get over the gay marriage and abortion thing!!! Time to get back to basics. No one cares that our young boys are dyeing in wars.... and killing people who work in abortion clinics? Stop bringing that crap up every time someone tries to talk about issues!!!

If you are as old as I am, you remember before abortion was legal and you remember the back door clinics. You will not stop abortion... You will only take it back to the alleys!
Get over Gay marriage? ...I have never mentioned once on this forum my opinion on that subject...
No one cares about killing people who work in abortion clinics?...Don't believe I have ever supported such a thing, not have I mentioned supporting in on this forum...
No one cares that our young boys are dying in wars?...When did I give the impression that I don't care that our young boys are dying in wars?...
I am always amazed when the "back door clinics" and "alleys" argument comes up. Doubt that 1.2million abortions were being done behind closed doors and in alleys, prior to Roe V Wade...so your point is?

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If President Obama unzipped his body covering and Jesus stepped out, the Republicans and Fox would yell "blasphemer" or they'd turn Atheist! They just won't give him a kind word or nice job, Prez.

Personally I think what the republicans are doing right now is treason.... Wanting to president to fail is wanting the US to fail.

Foolish post IMHO by a starry eyed fan. I emphatically want this President to fail. I want his agenda to fail, and I want his policies to fail. This President's plans are destroying this country. I reject your grasping at straws spin of his disastrous spending and his unbelievable regulatory overreach.

There's not much time to rescue this country from the abyss that Barack Hussein Obama is driving America into with a purpose that is in itself treasonous IMHO.

I want America saved, which is why Obama must fail.

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Foolish post IMHO by a starry eyed fan. I emphatically want this President to fail. I want his agenda to fail, and I want his policies to fail. This President's plans are destroying this country. I reject your grasping at straws spin of his disastrous spending and his unbelievable regulatory overreach.

There's not much time to rescue this country from the abyss that Barack Hussein Obama is driving America into with a purpose that is in itself treasonous IMHO.

I want America saved, which is why Obama must fail.
:BigApplause:
RichieLion- I join you in your sentiment, but I think we are in good company! As an earlier lover of America and proven Patriot once said-
"Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country...I know not what course others may take; but as for me -- give me liberty or give me death!"

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Thanks... But no one want to know the truth. I will be happy to read anything they have... but they don't give me anything.

I just want us ALL to hold ALL their feet to the fire!!! For us and for our children.

That being said... I need to get off this as it's just taking my energy away. But thanks anyway.

I want the truth. I searched the truth. I have the truth.

"The Truth:" Obama is not good for America. 4 more years of Obama would be much worse for America.

Vote Republican. Whatever Republican nominated. Do not vote 3rd party, that is a vote for Obama.

That's the TRUTH.

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*By Carl E. Van Buren

This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the *Czech Republic*as published in the*Prager Zeitung*of 28 April 2010.

“The danger to America is not *Barack Obama*but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. *It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an *Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense*and good judgment *to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

“The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who *is a mere symptom of what ails America . *Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

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Angel the debt that he has racked up should be enough to vote him out he's insane.

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Get over the gay marriage and abortion thing!!! Time to get back to basics. No one cares that our young boys are dyeing in wars.... and killing people who work in abortion clinics? Stop bringing that crap up every time someone tries to talk about issues!!!

If you are as old as I am, you remember before abortion was legal and you remember the back door clinics. You will not stop abortion... You will only take it back to the alleys!

:agree:
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but that right ends when you try to dictate things as personal as sexual orientation and abortion. I always am amazed the repubs, who scream about government interferring in our lives when it comes to money, but don't seem to mind legislation taking away decisions that are clearly not theirs to make. Decisions like the above.

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Seriously doubt that Jesus will cllimb out of the Obama suit. This is a man that has not respect for the life of the unborn...even those who @ ten weeks after conception have a beating heart of their own, seperate and distinct from their mother. Too bad :cry:

...except that, at 10 weeks, it's a one-chamber heart that resembles more a frog's than a human's.

That's the really awful part of the abortion "debate" - people on both sides slanting facts and omitting inconvenient parts of them.

(For the record I would love to see abortion made irrelevant)

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Ignorance is bliss. :(

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...except that, at 10 weeks, it's a one-chamber heart that resembles more a frog's than a human's.

That's the really awful part of the abortion "debate" - people on both sides slanting facts and omitting inconvenient parts of them.

(For the record I would love to see abortion made irrelevant)

If I read your post correctly, and please if I did explain, but seems that it is ok to kill these babies because of the one chamber heart in your mind. WOW....how do all these children with defects and disabilities get to survive ?

[Guest]

Can't wait to hear the reply. I have waited almost three hours.:mornincoffee:

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If I read your post correctly, and please if I did explain, but seems that it is ok to kill these babies because of the one chamber heart in your mind. WOW....how do all these children with defects and disabilities get to survive ?

I rarely trot this out because the abortion debate is SO very overheated.

Equating kids with defects (of which I was one - bi-lateral club feet) with something so undeveloped is showing some level of desperation.

[WARNING - the following is graphic]

Let me tell you - the mess that my ex-wife and I cleaned up from her miscarriage at just over 12 weeks wasn't pleasant in the least. Of course, what we saw was life sized - not blown up 10x with a soft focus to try and sway people's emotions.

[End warning]

I have two daughters (23 & 18) so we know well about the joys of parenting. But the way that some people equate a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus is just something I can't agree with.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can't draw a line as to where it changes - but current restrictions on very late term abortions are certainly in order. I would suspect that concepts like 'viability' and 'sentience' happen on a more individual basis. For that very reason it's difficult at best to make a blanket rule.

Last time I checked, 96% of all abortions happen in the first trimester. That number doesn't get a lot of publicity compared to the vitriol over the comparatively microscopic number of late-term abortions (usually because of defects or endangerments - look up Tay-Sachs to see an example of the former).

Then you get politicians just making stuff up about Planned Parenthood (90%+ of their revenue is abortion based?!?! - more like *3* - and then the politician says his remarks on the floor of the House were "not intended as a true statement").

It's a VERY volatile subject that leans towards more screaming than debating.

That being said, I once heard Rush Limbaugh explain a reason for his opposition that at least I could understand. He said he was opposed to abortion because he believed it was part of an overall attitude that diminished the value of human life. I may not agree with that - but at least I can respect that kind of thought.

[Guest]

I rarely trot this out because the abortion debate is SO very overheated.

Equating kids with defects (of which I was one - bi-lateral club feet) with something so undeveloped is showing some level of desperation.

[WARNING - the following is graphic]

Let me tell you - the mess that my ex-wife and I cleaned up from her miscarriage at just over 12 weeks wasn't pleasant in the least. Of course, what we saw was life sized - not blown up 10x with a soft focus to try and sway people's emotions.

[End warning]

I have two daughters (23 & 18) so we know well about the joys of parenting. But the way that some people equate a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus is just something I can't agree with.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can't draw a line as to where it changes - but current restrictions on very late term abortions are certainly in order. I would suspect that concepts like 'viability' and 'sentience' happen on a more individual basis. For that very reason it's difficult at best to make a blanket rule.

Last time I checked, 96% of all abortions happen in the first trimester. That number doesn't get a lot of publicity compared to the vitriol over the comparatively microscopic number of late-term abortions (usually because of defects or endangerments - look up Tay-Sachs to see an example of the former).

Then you get politicians just making stuff up about Planned Parenthood (90%+ of their revenue is abortion based?!?! - more like *3* - and then the politician says his remarks on the floor of the House were "not intended as a true statement").

It's a VERY volatile subject that leans towards more screaming than debating.

That being said, I once heard Rush Limbaugh explain a reason for his opposition that at least I could understand. He said he was opposed to abortion because he believed it was part of an overall attitude that diminished the value of human life. I may not agree with that - but at least I can respect that kind of thought.

According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States.[20]


So, that means that 4% of babies killed after the first the first trimister?

So, you are calling 2 million souls "microscopic"? Really.

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I rarely trot this out because the abortion debate is SO very overheated.

Equating kids with defects (of which I was one - bi-lateral club feet) with something so undeveloped is showing some level of desperation.

[WARNING - the following is graphic]

Let me tell you - the mess that my ex-wife and I cleaned up from her miscarriage at just over 12 weeks wasn't pleasant in the least. Of course, what we saw was life sized - not blown up 10x with a soft focus to try and sway people's emotions.

[End warning]

I have two daughters (23 & 18) so we know well about the joys of parenting. But the way that some people equate a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus is just something I can't agree with.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can't draw a line as to where it changes - but current restrictions on very late term abortions are certainly in order. I would suspect that concepts like 'viability' and 'sentience' happen on a more individual basis. For that very reason it's difficult at best to make a blanket rule.

Last time I checked, 96% of all abortions happen in the first trimester. That number doesn't get a lot of publicity compared to the vitriol over the comparatively microscopic number of late-term abortions (usually because of defects or endangerments - look up Tay-Sachs to see an example of the former).

Then you get politicians just making stuff up about Planned Parenthood (90%+ of their revenue is abortion based?!?! - more like *3* - and then the politician says his remarks on the floor of the House were "not intended as a true statement").

It's a VERY volatile subject that leans towards more screaming than debating.

That being said, I once heard Rush Limbaugh explain a reason for his opposition that at least I could understand. He said he was opposed to abortion because he believed it was part of an overall attitude that diminished the value of human life. I may not agree with that - but at least I can respect that kind of thought.
djplong~ I am terribly sorry for the loss of your child. My husband and I lost one of ours in much the same manner. It was and still is one of the most painful experiences of our lives. You mention that you cannot necessarily agree with equating a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus. There truly are not many comparison other than one. LIFE! The moment of conception takes a living part pf two seperate and distinct people with a different set of DNA and produces a third seperate and distinct living thing with its own different set of DNA. Viable on its own or not, it is living and growing at a MIRACULOUS rate! This LIFE will continue to grow, develop and mature just as a viable born baby will grow, develop and mature until death takes over. Death could come at anytime, 6years old, 21 years old, 65 years old, or 10 weeks after conception. Life or death, those are the two choices! The question isn't when life begins, the question is- who has the right to end it at anytime.
On another note, some folks believe that humans began as one celled amoebas, without even a one chambered heart, millions of years ago. Where does that leave the blastocyte theory?

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So, that means that 4% of babies killed after the first the first trimister?

So, you are calling 2 million souls "microscopic"? Really.

Incredible reasoning, isn't it?!? What's 2 million souls, give or take a few...
Famous Quote...a person is a person, no matter how small! ~Horton the Elephant

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kudos to you, katzpajamas, that was a very nice post. and sensitive.

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kudos to you, katzpajamas, that was a very nice post. and sensitive.


:agree: It was.

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This post has gotten off topic. If you would like to start a new topic please create a new thread.

Thank you in advance.

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he started it...:oops: sorry :oops: