War on Tea Party & Republicans

[Guest]

Speaking of TeaPartiers and Republicans, Jimmy Hoffa says "Let's take these sons of b*****s out!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_ son_of_bitches_out.html

Then Obama says that he is proud of him!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/obama_says_he_is_proud_of_hoffa.html

...If this isn't reminiscient of Nazi Germany, I don't know what is?

[Guest]

Nazi Germany? What are you talking about? Are you equating Obama with Hitler? The unions are the brownshirts? The guy might not be a good President but ...

[Guest]

Nazi Germany? What are you talking about? Are you equating Obama with Hitler? The unions are the brownshirts? The guy might not be a good President but ...

Yes, yes and yes. Obama has his brownshirts. Where you been?

[Guest]

Nazi parallel or not, what do you think of this President and his friends and their idea of working together?

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Nazi Germany? What are you talking about? Are you equating Obama with Hitler? The unions are the brownshirts? The guy might not be a good President but ...

Haven't you been listening?

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Typical TeaParty propaganda technique of demonizing by association with a hated name.

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Typical TeaParty propaganda technique of demonizing by association with a hated name.

The head of my union, The Teamsters. did in fact call for the President to recognize that he has an army waiting, and that army was organized labor and that this army will on command "Take this son's of bi*ches out!!, referring to the Tea Party. I'm a little ashamed of my former union at this moment. Propaganda??; heck no, it the God's honest truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ehnCz-n_WyQ

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More thuggery.

Nothing new from that crowd.

It's good for non-union workers to see how their President views them.

[Guest]

I really never realized how radical and far right some of you were. I will not hit the ignore button because I do want to know what the enemy is spouting but in all honesty I cannot tolerate anyone who will say that a man who has been President for 3 years compares in any way to the worst dictator in history. To make this comparison shows a hatred beyond anything rational. I can only hope that true Americans see the evil in this comparison.

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Well something has to be done. Its not as if there are no Democrats in the Tea Party and I am sure there must be a few Union members also. I do not accept that we are as far apart as our fearless leaders in the congress, the senate and even the white house try to portray. It is becoming one big arm wrestling contest between the parties and the price is a big loss no matter which arm breaks first. Realistic compromise is a must. I don't want everything the Tea Party is DEMANDING, but we sure as &^% can't survive forever the way the money is running out of Washington.
Wait a minute, the weather is keeping us from getting on the road, so I have a few more thinks to voice here.
Would it not work if each party started putting money back like say:::::
Cut programs that each side wants, one at a time measured in dollars.
Call them temporary cuts, and put a startup time on them being when the economy can afford them again.


Now if that don't work, take 5 % or whatever it takes from every government program until we get right again.

Balancing a budget should be so easy and I say it would be if everyone in Washington pulled their greedy hands out of the till.

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I really never realized how radical and far right some of you were. I will not hit the ignore button because I do want to know what the enemy is spouting but in all honesty I cannot tolerate anyone who will say that a man who has been President for 3 years compares in any way to the worst dictator in history. To make this comparison shows a hatred beyond anything rational. I can only hope that true Americans see the evil in this comparison.

This rhetoric has been used by both sides far to often. I used to use this same type of speech until I talked about it with a Jewish friend of mine. We should all hope that the brown shirts NEVER return.

That being said we will not get anywhere if both sides continue to use such inflammatory speech. The point could have been made without the hate speech.

[Guest]

Yes, yes and yes. Obama has his brownshirts. Where you been?

Trying to be an American, supporting our President instead of hoping he will fail (and therefore, the country) and comparing him to an evil man in history. :cus:

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The union leader is merely following suit with the current administration...WORDS....backed by nothing....no reality....no capability....and mostly NO INTENT!!!

btk

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just watched the ENTIRE Hoffa speech not the EDITED Fox version. I thought it was a great speech. He is right on. Republicans have been at "war" with the unions for years basically trying to get rid of them(see Wisconsin and Minnesota)and a union leader responds in kind and some people dont like it. Too bad.

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just watched the ENTIRE Hoffa speech not the EDITED Fox version. I thought it was a great speech. He is right on. Republicans have been at "war" with the unions for years basically trying to get rid of them(see Wisconsin and Minnesota)and a union leader responds in kind and some people dont like it. Too bad.

Please provide link of any Tea Party leader using anything close to Hoffa's violent rhetoric. Just one will do.

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Please provide link of any Tea Party leader using anything close to Hoffa's violent rhetoric. Just one will do.

U R kidding right? It might be hard to find but at least one comes to mind during the healthcare debate. Should we mention the gun crosshairs on Palin's website?

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http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/can-someone-show-me-proof-of-tea-party-violence/question-934215/

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I really never realized how radical and far right some of you were. I will not hit the ignore button because I do want to know what the enemy is spouting but in all honesty I cannot tolerate anyone who will say that a man who has been President for 3 years compares in any way to the worst dictator in history. To make this comparison shows a hatred beyond anything rational. I can only hope that true Americans see the evil in this comparison.

:agree: Just not sure if it is hatred or pure ignorance or wanting to be inflamatory..

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U R kidding right? It might be hard to find but at least one comes to mind during the healthcare debate. Should we mention the gun crosshairs on Palin's website?

Rejected. Sarah Palin didn't call for violence, even once or ever implied. You're spinning the meaning behind a political strategy map.

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http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/can-someone-show-me-proof-of-tea-party-violence/question-934215/

Rejected. This shows a confusing struggle between people in a crowd with no clear explanation for what's going on. This is not a video of a Tea Party leader declaring his followers ready to "take the son's of bi*ches out". Not even close. Next!!!................

We all know there is no evidence whatsoever of a Tea Party leader advocating violence.

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:agree: Just not sure if it is hatred or pure ignorance or wanting to be inflamatory..

Oh great, now the lefties are calling the Tea Party stupid. Talk about being uncivil!!!

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DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz avoids question.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/06/showdown_on_fox__friends_wasserman_schultz_avoids_ hoffa_question.html

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However, we do know of the admitted democrat infiltration of Tea Party Rallies to try to make those in attendance look like radicals.

Ah I know, somebody is going to say something like just give me one example of democrats infiltration, blah blah blah.

Ok
http://olehgirl.com/?p=3117

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Wasserman Schultz flat out refused to condemn Hoffman's words. BUT, she was one of the first in line to point fingers when Senator Gabrielle Giffords was shot and six people were killed in Arizona in January. It doesn't make sense to me.

"It's our responsibility, whether we're Democrats or Republicans, whether we agree or disagree, to remember we're Americans first, and that words have an impact," Wasserman Schultz said. "We don't know when the words we've chosen will send someone whose psyche is frayed to begin with, over the edge...

"Maybe we can all come together and push the shock jocks and the media, who pride themselves in whipping people into a frenzy on both sides, not to do that anymore," she said.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-01-09/news/fl-giffords-wasserman-schultz-reactio20110109_1_debbie-wasserman-schultz-d-weston-shooting-rampage

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Rejected. Sarah Palin didn't call for violence, even once or ever implied. You're spinning the meaning behind a political strategy map.

Its all in the eye of the beholder......

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Its all in the eye of the beholder......

That is old news. It was pointed out with old footage that both parties use that crosshairs analogy. Nothing there.

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I hope no one in the administration apologizes for Hoffa. Its time for the Dems to show some guts and stop cowtowing to the REpubs or the Tea Party when they complain. Hoffa is right,it is a war but as he says a war at the voting booth something Fox edited out of his speech.
And while we are at apologies....I would like one.....I am still a union paying member and was called a brownshirt by a poster because of my union affiliation. That is an insult to my intelligence and to my allegiance to this country,and one that I fought for I might add.

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Wasn't it TeaParty darling Palin who keeps telling her followers to "reload" and then posted telescopic cross hairs on Congressional candidates - or was it only their districts?

Pure hate from the TeaParty and now more hatred from Republicans referring to their President as an equal to Hitler.

No sense of decency.

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I hope no one in the administration apologizes for Hoffa. Its time for the Dems to show some guts and stop cowtowing to the REpubs or the Tea Party when they complain. Hoffa is right,it is a war but as he says a war at the voting booth something Fox edited out of his speech.
And while we are at apologies....I would like one.....I am still a union paying member and was called a brownshirt by a poster because of my union affiliation. That is an insult to my intelligence and to my allegiance to this country,and one that I fought for I might add.

If a Tea Party leader called on his followers to "take these son's of bi*ches out", he or she would be crucified in the press and you know it. To defend this is patently hypocritical. He should be denounced by for his call to violence by any fair minded American. Only the staunchest radical would approve this violent rhetoric.

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Wasn't it TeaParty darling Palin who keeps telling her followers to "reload" and then posted telescopic cross hairs on Congressional candidates - or was it only their districts?

Pure hate from the TeaParty and now more hatred from Republicans referring to their President as an equal to Hitler.

No sense of decency.

Wow, I can't see your face when you typed this but it must have been one with pure delight.
Speaking of hatred, didn't Barry Obuma tell his fellow democrats to "take us out"? Didn't Barry Obama tell them that if they showed up with knives, we'll show up with guns?
During the town hall meeting protests of the summer of 2009, Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told Democrat Senators, “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”

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FOX always does a good job of editing their clips, don't they? Very good propaganda technique. Well, FOX is always good at riling their viewers with half-truths. Good reason to call it FOX NOISE. Personally, I do not look at FOX NOISE, CNN, MSNBC or any of them. Just talking heads spouting nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum.

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FOX always does a good job of editing their clips, don't they? Very good propaganda technique. Well, FOX is always good at riling their viewers with half-truths. Good reason to call it FOX NOISE. Personally, I do not look at FOX NOISE, CNN, MSNBC or any of them. Just talking heads spouting nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum.

What? No cute nicknames for CNN or MSNBC? I think Fox News treats Barry Hussein Obama fair, don't you?;)

[Guest]

FOX always does a good job of editing their clips, don't they? Very good propaganda technique. Well, FOX is always good at riling their viewers with half-truths. Good reason to call it FOX NOISE. Personally, I do not look at FOX NOISE, CNN, MSNBC or any of them. Just talking heads spouting nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum.

Editing??; what salient points did the editing down of the video to it's raw meaning eliminate? Did Jimmy Hoffa Jr. say something poignant that was edited out? Please elucidate.

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P.S.: When did the Tea Party declare war on workers, as Jimmy Hoffa Jr. says?? The Tea Party movement is for lower taxes, decreased spending, government accountability and less Federal interference in their lives. How did that translate into a war on workers? Just curious.

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Bottom line here comes down to one fundamental and not so subtle issue. What we dealing with is simply an idealogical fight. Its huge and the winner will determine our destiny. Do we want a government/union controlled economy or do we want pro business growth economy.

As a side note what concerns me about Jimmy Hoffa's statements is that they are coming from the head of an organization that has been reputed to be mob connected or controlled and with a history of violence. So some may take his threats literally. Jimmy Hoffa is also incorrect in that the Tea Party isn't wishing Obama's failure. On the contrary they have been fighting for issues that will help the economy grow and hence aid Obama

[Guest]

so Richie,you admit the speech was edited. Why? Because as I stated earlier the "war" is at the voting booth. This is what Fox edited. They are so dishonest it makes me sick.
As for the tea party being anti-labor if an organization is anti-union as the tea party is then I think they are anti-labor. Just look at what happened in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

[Guest]

Hey, Richie, heard another joke today.

Q: What's the difference between a liberal and a puppy?

A: A puppy stops whining after it grows up. :jester:

[Guest]

so Richie,you admit the speech was edited. Why? Because as I stated earlier the "war" is at the voting booth. This is what Fox edited. They are so dishonest it makes me sick.
As for the tea party being anti-labor if an organization is anti-union as the tea party is then I think they are anti-labor. Just look at what happened in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

How do you explain all the Tea Partiers that I know who are also Teamsters?

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What do you call a basement full of liberals?
A whine cellar. :laugh:

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What do you call a basement full of liberals?
A whine cellar. :laugh:

LOL good one.

Q: What is the only thing worse than an incompetent liberal President?

A: A competent liberal President.

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Q: How do liberal brain cells die?

A: Lonely.

[Guest]

LOL good one.

Q: What is the only thing worse than an incompetent liberal President?

A: A competent liberal President.

Laughed out loud in a room all by myself on that one!
Good thing there is no such thing as competent liberal anything:laugh:

[Guest]

How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
Let George Bush fix it! It’s his fault it’s dark anyway!
:laugh:

[Guest]

a better light bulb joke...
How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
Let George Bush fix it! It’s his fault it’s dark anyway!
:laugh:

I heard it took 10 liberals to change a light bulb.

9 liberals who denied it was dark and one liberal to call a republican to change the bulb.

[Guest]

Katz,

Your attempt at humor was hateful. Please cease and desist from it. Your attempt was not appreciated.

[Guest]

Katz,

Your attempt at humor was hateful. Please cease and desist from it. Your attempt was not appreciated.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

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Katz,

Just to let you know, I have reported your post to the Administrator.

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:loco::loco::loco:Katz,

Your attempt at humor was hateful. Please cease and desist from it. Your attempt was not appreciated.

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That is old news. It was pointed out with old footage that both parties use that crosshairs analogy. Nothing there.

There you are again.....tit for tat is your answer.

So who said.... "I want xxxx armed and dangerous!"
"Don't retreat Reload"
"2nd amendment solution"

Give me both a Repub and a Democrat......


Waiting.

[Guest]

Katz,

Your attempt at humor was hateful. Please cease and desist from it. Your attempt was not appreciated.

Do you know what you sound like? :censored:

[Guest]

When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, it is always the one who got hit that yelps the loudest...

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There you are again.....tit for tat is your answer.

So who said.... "I want xxxx armed and dangerous!"
"Don't retreat Reload"
"2nd amendment solution"

Give me both a Repub and a Democrat......


Waiting.

Obama has used more inflammatory language then any other sitting President in history. He is embarrassing. A president should act and talk in a dignified manner, not like some street thug!!!:cus:

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I read all the post here and it sounds like I`m listening to Congress, no wonder we can`t get anything done, its ok to disagree, but why do you all have to be so disagreeable. We can`t seem to come together on solving our problems. Your not a democrate, your not a republican, you are an American, start acting like one. Its sad to see that the only time we come together as one is when something like 9-11 happens.

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I read all the post here and it sounds like I`m listening to Congress, no wonder we can`t get anything done, its ok to disagree, but why do you all have to be so disagreeable. We can`t seem to come together on solving our problems. Your not a democrate, your not a republican, you are an American, start acting like one. Its sad to see that the only time we come together as one is when something like 9-11 happens.

You are right. Ready? Let us now have a group hug. Ahhhh I feel better now. Good night.:0000000000luvmyhors

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I read all the post here and it sounds like I`m listening to Congress, no wonder we can`t get anything done, its ok to disagree, but why do you all have to be so disagreeable. We can`t seem to come together on solving our problems. Your not a democrate, your not a republican, you are an American, start acting like one. Its sad to see that the only time we come together as one is when something like 9-11 happens.

Well said, but right wingers are not known for their flexibility.....they live in a black and white world while most of us can see lots of shades of gray...

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Well said, but right wingers are not known for their flexibility.....they live in a black and white world while most of us can see lots of shades of gray...

Well, the financial ledgers are in black and white and most responsible people can see alot of red, as in debt. Conservative are more flexible then liberals because we try, and usually succeed, in solving problems without the help of the government.

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How do you explain all the Tea Partiers that I know who are also Teamsters?

that is the problem when you do not have a right to work state. People have to be in the union whether they want to or not.

Does that explain it for you?

[Guest]

Has anyone read Hoffa's entire speech, not just heard a soundbite?
I didn't get that tone when I read it. He is talking about getting out the vote.

Here it is....
Here is a transcript of Hoffa’s entire speech on Monday:

“Are there any Teamsters in the house? This is Motown, but today, this is union town. We are union, we are workers. That is the message that we send today, and that is the message that we send to America.

There is a war on workers. You see it everywhere: It is in the unemployment, it is in the Tea Party, it is in the people that fight what we believe in. And we see the war in Wisconsin where they try to take collective bargaining from our public employees. We took two senate seats back, we are taking Wisconsin back.

That’s number one. Number two, in Ohio, we are fighting a battle there with regard to taking away collective bargaining. We will beat SB5. We’ve got a million signatures. We are going to win in Ohio — that is our number two. And in Michigan, they are thinking about right to work. It ain’t going to happen in Michigan. No way.

We have to keep an eye on the battle we face — a war on workers. And you see it everywhere there is the Tea Party. And you know there is only one way to beat and win that war.

The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what, they’ve got a war, they’ve got a war with us and there is only going to be one winner. It is going to be the workers of Michigan and America – we are going to win that war. All the way.

But it starts with your involvement, it starts with next November. We’ve got a bunch of people there that don’t’ want the president to succeed, and they are called the Tea Party – the people who don’t want him to do anything right and he is working hard for us.

President Obama is frustrated by what’s going on. Well, guess what, we’ve got the vote. And the answer to what we say is, we remember in November. We will beat the Tea Party and give this country back to workers and America. We can do it together.”

We’ve also got to talk about jobs. I get so tired about people who …(inaudible) these big corporations that send our jobs to Mexico, they send our jobs to China, and they’ve got the audacity to say ‘where are the jobs?’


Well I’ve got news for you. It’s time to bring those jobs back to America and bring America back to work. That’s what we’ve got to do.

We are going to hear from President Obama in a few minutes, and I am so glad that he has come to Michigan because this is where he sees the real America. He looks out on this army of people and you know what I say? President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. President Obama, we want one thing: Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs…(The crowd joins the chant.)

That’s what we are going to tell America…..When he sees what we are doing here, he will be inspired, but he needs help. And you know what? Everybody here has got a vote. If we go back, we keep the eye on the prize, lets take these sons-of-bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.”

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so Richie,you admit the speech was edited. Why? Because as I stated earlier the "war" is at the voting booth. This is what Fox edited. They are so dishonest it makes me sick.
As for the tea party being anti-labor if an organization is anti-union as the tea party is then I think they are anti-labor. Just look at what happened in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

They edited out the rah-rah-rah, we union workers are the backbone of this country, and we won't be taken lightly; blah, blah, blah. OK I'm good with that, but it's wasn't that newsworthy a bit of rhetoric. What was newsworthy was the union president offering violence on behest of the President, if he would only ask.

Pretty good summation; don't you think?

We really had to hear the whole speech, just for the one line that makes you sit up and say "What the h*ll did he just say???"

[Guest]

Katz,

Your attempt at humor was hateful. Please cease and desist from it. Your attempt was not appreciated.

C'mon, you laughed at the "it's Bush's fault it's dark anyway joke"; c'mon Buggy, I know you did.

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President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march.


What does this mean? Is he saying that the union is Obama's army? Obama is supposed to be representing every American worker, no? I have never seen a President be so polarizing in my life!!!

[Guest]

Well, the financial ledgers are in black and white and most responsible people can see alot of red, as in debt. Conservative are more flexible then liberals because we try, and usually succeed, in solving problems without the help of the government.
:bigbow:

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What does this mean? Is he saying that the union is Obama's army? Obama is supposed to be representing every American worker, no? I have never seen a President be so polarizing in my life!!!

Your gravity fails....and negativity won't pull you through. :cus:

[Guest]

Obama has used more inflammatory language then any other sitting President in history. He is embarrassing. A president should act and talk in a dignified manner, not like some street thug!!!:cus:

I gave you quotes.....you give me rhetoric. How about Joe Wilson and the inflammous "You Lie" was that civil?

Were any of the quotes I post civil? I think not.

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:bigbow:

Drivel

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I gave you quotes.....you give me rhetoric. How about Joe Wilson and the inflammous "You Lie" was that civil?

Were any of the quotes I post civil? I think not.

"Bring a gun to knife fight"

"Argue with neigbors, get in their face"

" I don't want to quell anger...I'm angry!"

"Gearing up for a fight"

"Hit back twice as hard"

Care to view the videos?

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06/12/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric/

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Your gravity fails....and negativity won't pull you through. :cus:

Drivel

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I think Hoffa said what many Americans are thinking. We are at war,a war at the voting booths against the repubs and the tea party who seem to favor big business over working people and hate everything that is not white,straight and fundamentalist christian.

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comments in-line:

Wasn't it TeaParty darling Palin who keeps telling her followers to "reload" and then posted telescopic cross hairs on Congressional candidates - or was it only their districts?
...and didn't obama refer to "straight shooters" in his detroit speech?

Pure hate from the TeaParty and now more hatred from Republicans referring to their President as an equal to Hitler.
...anyone who would consider obama to be a dictator is seriously mistaken! dictators make decisions and do not rule by committee!

No sense of decency.

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And doesn't one have to wonder WHO comprises the 75% that are not happy with the direction the country is taking.

Or the 70%++ that are not happy with Obama's handling of the economy.

Polls I know are about as effective as some of the "chaffe" that is discharged in this forum.

White? Straight? Christian? What do any of these labels have to do with non accomplishment by politicians (or anybody else in a position of responsibility?
Absolutely nothing.

btk

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I think Hoffa said what many Americans are thinking. We are at war,a war at the voting booths against the repubs and the tea party who seem to favor big business over working people and hate everything that is not white,straight and fundamentalist christian.

You are wrong. Most Americans are wondering why their neighbors are not working. Most Americans are tired of the government telling them that the government knows best, therefore the government will control Healthcare. Most Americans are tired of government spending and wondering if their meager social security checks will cease because the government has been robbing it for years.Most people are wondering why the government has made up it's mind about man-made Global Warming when the science says it isn't happening. Most Americans are wondering why the government keeps hiring more and more people to the Federal payroll when we are borrowing 40% of every dollar we spend.

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You are wrong. Most Americans are wondering why their neighbors are not working. Most Americans are tired of the government telling them that the government knows best, therefore the government will control Healthcare. Most Americans are tired of government spending and wondering if their meager social security checks will cease because the government has been robbing it for years.Most people are wondering why the government has made up it's mind about man-made Global Warming when the science says it isn't happening. Most Americans are wondering why the government keeps hiring more and more people to the Federal payroll when we are borrowing 40% of every dollar we spend.

Drivel :cus:

[Guest]

Village golfer...I beg to disagree and do think that you are wrong in your assessment.

[Guest]

Village golfer...

Waynet..you can beg all you want but my assessment is verified by all the recent polls.
William Shakespeare said:

"I would challenge to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!"

I am not flaming you but I know you are smarter then, this post"I beg to disagree and do think that you are wrong in your assessment."

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no it isn't. Even though Obamas ratings are very low,Congress ratings are even lower. I do think most intelligent Americans are catching on to the game of NO that the repubs are playing and that the tea party might not be the answer because both of their approval ratings are down and sinking fast. Of course being the anti-intellectual that you are this may be too much for you to comprehend.

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I think Hoffa said what many Americans are thinking. We are at war,a war at the voting booths against the repubs and the tea party who seem to favor big business over working people and hate everything that is not white,straight and fundamentalist christian.

As a Christian and a Tea Party supporter, I am very offended by your hateful statement about me. I do not hate everything that is not white, straight and fundamentalist christian. To hate in such a manner, I would be in direct and total opposition to what my Savior teaches.

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no it isn't. Even though Obamas ratings are very low,Congress ratings are even lower. I do think most intelligent Americans are catching on to the game of NO that the repubs are playing and that the tea party might not be the answer because both of their approval ratings are down and sinking fast. Of course being the anti-intellectual that you are this may be too much for you to comprehend.


Are you flaming me? I haven't seen anything from you that would qualify as a world scholar. But I could be wrong. You might be incognito and are here just to play with us. I bet that behind those feeble posts of your lurks a genius.;)

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Katz,
You don't hate them I'm sure...But...You refuse to coexist and live by the mantra "live and let ,live"..Tea Party Mantra "my way or the hiway"...

And..."Obama out no matter how much it hurts our country as the end justifies the means....."

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It is a very difficult battle when, seemingly the only resource is that which is seen and heard in the media or partisan talking points.

Keep it simple....just measure, whoever, promises made VS promises kept and the results obtained. The results + or - will speak for itself. Precisely why it is never addressed by the media.

btk

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"Bring a gun to knife fight"

"Argue with neigbors, get in their face"

" I don't want to quell anger...I'm angry!"

"Gearing up for a fight"

"Hit back twice as hard"

Care to view the videos?

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06/12/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric/

The problem here is the use of the word "VIOLENT"

To say that is quote " I don't want to quell anger...I'm angry!"
is just plain silly.

[Guest]

The problem here is the use of the word "VIOLENT"

To say that is quote " I don't want to quell anger...I'm angry!"
is just plain silly.

??????????????????????????????? No idea where your coming from.

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All of you grow up this is way we are in such a mess in the country.

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Folks,
I do not usually venture into the Political forum much....I view it as a rough neighborhood in an otherwise wonderful town......BUT, it seems that some Moderator intervention is sadly needed.

Again, we need to remind everyone that this political forum exists to intelligently, RESPECTFULLY discuss current political topics.

Discuss the topic, not each other. Stop the name calling, rude, childlike posts or risk infractions, time outs, and possible banning. Folks that resort to such tactics only make themselves look foolish and bring disgrace to the whole forum and perhaps even The Villages.

We Moderators have been asked by many of you to give the Political forum a bit more leeway......and we have tried to do so, but if folks cannot behave themselves then we will be forced to intervene more often.....something we would rather not do.

Basically, play nice in the sandbox or risk being removed from the playground.:ohdear:

Frank

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Folks,
I do not usually venture into the Political forum much....I view it as a rough neighborhood in an otherwise wonderful town......BUT, it seems that some Moderator intervention is sadly needed.

Again, we need to remind everyone that this political forum exists to intelligently, RESPECTFULLY discuss current political topics.

Discuss the topic, not each other. Stop the name calling, rude, childlike posts or risk infractions, time outs, and possible banning. Folks that resort to such tactics only make themselves look foolish and bring disgrace to the whole forum and perhaps even The Villages.

We Moderators have been asked by many of you to give the Political forum a bit more leeway......and we have tried to do so, but if folks cannot behave themselves then we will be forced to intervene more often.....something we would rather not do.

Basically, play nice in the sandbox or risk being removed from the playground.:ohdear:

Frank

Well.....I thought I'd go out with a BANG.....but I guess I will just quietly gather my toys and find another playground. One last...:cus:

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??????????????????????????????? No idea where your coming from.

When I posted some statements by Republicans I found offensive you came back with a video and some statement proported to be violent. Just look at your post.

My comment was if you considered that statement to be VIOLENT it was just plain silly.

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I guess my posts weren't as bad as Ritchie thought..Vg in timeout,now who is going to jump in and be Ritchie's go to guy?

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I guess my posts weren't as bad as Ritchie thought..Vg in timeout,now who is going to jump in and be Ritchie's go to guy?

You still can't resist getting personal. It'll bite you eventually.

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I guess my posts weren't as bad as Ritchie thought..Vg in timeout,now who is going to jump in and be Ritchie's go to guy?

Totally uncalled for and that post is no better than person you referred to. I've read most of Ritchie's posts and he does not need any go to guy. He is quite capable of making good arguments to support his position. The political forum has deteriorated in the past two months but hopefully those kind of days are a thing of the past.

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I continue to object to the allegations and intents that continue to tar the political forum with a stigma based on the few that may not be in time with the step others think they SHOULD be.
The beauty of the 1st Amendment is that we are allowed to say what we think without having to pass muster with those who constantly believe they are above it all and based on their belief or opinion or desire to call others on the carpet.

How about determining the character and quality of what gets said and done based on the majority for a change. There will always be a minority contingent in any quorum. When one wants to disparage content how about being specific about who or what ya don't like? When all gets said and done the complainers position is just another opinion....right or wrong....just like those they tend to rail against.

Politics and any related positions are controversial and turbulent. Thank GOD some of us have an ability to sort the wheat from the chaffe and not dwell upon the minority, low percentage participation bombastic verbalization!!

btk

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How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
Let George Bush fix it! It’s his fault it’s dark anyway!
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:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Katz your getting to be so funny...good for you

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Totally uncalled for and that post is no better than person you referred to. I've read most of Ritchie's posts and he does not need any go to guy. He is quite capable of making good arguments to support his position. The political forum has deteriorated in the past two months but hopefully those kind of days are a thing of the past.

Please play nice in the sandbox and stay on the topic at hand.:ohdear:

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Speaking of TeaPartiers and Republicans, Jimmy Hoffa says "Let's take these sons of b*****s out!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_ son_of_bitches_out.html

Then Obama says that he is proud of him!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/obama_says_he_is_proud_of_hoffa.html

...If this isn't reminiscient of Nazi Germany, I don't know what is?

Yes, I think there is a concerted effort to smudge the Tea Party out just like they do to every preconceived threat to their agenda. The Democratic party knows what they are doing.

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vg..Please google the term "copperheads"..This was a splinter group that darned near wrecked this country during Lincoln's term..They were Pro slavery and from the north mostly..They went the way of the dinosauers thankfully...BTW..they were democrats!

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I guess my posts weren't as bad as Ritchie thought..Vg in timeout,now who is going to jump in and be Ritchie's go to guy?


Totally uncalled for and that post is no better than person you referred to. I've read most of Ritchie's posts and he does not need any go to guy. He is quite capable of making good arguments to support his position. The political forum has deteriorated in the past two months but hopefully those kind of days are a thing of the past.
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What part of the Moderator's memo did you guys not understand? He said to be respectful and to discuss the topic not each other.

I am going to try harder, what say you?:ohdear:

Wow, alot goes on when you go away for the day.

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vg..Please google the term "copperheads"..This was a splinter group that darned near wrecked this country during Lincoln's term..They were Pro slavery and from the north mostly..They went the way of the dinosauers thankfully...BTW..they were democrats!

OK; thanks for the Civil War reference. Interesting and minor, in terms of historical significance, story about a pro slavery faction of northerners who wanted an immediate peace settlement with the Confederacy.

This is relevant to this dialogue....................how?

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History repeats itself many times over and yet we always have fallen back to a two party system..I was trying to show an example of an extremist group and what almost happened..These typically have been extremist in their views and have not lasted..There are many examples of splinter groups but only a few that have caused this much damage...Like I said before,I have been to tea party meetings a couple of years ago when it was getting started in Pennsylvania and it started out with great ideas..I think it has been overtaken by extremists and a lot of racial hatred..Personally I'm not on a crusade to eliminate racism,it's way above my pay grade,but I don't want the country to be driven to the stone age by a few with their private agenda.

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History repeats itself many times over and yet we always have fallen back to a two party system..I was trying to show an example of an extremist group and what almost happened..These typically have been extremist in their views and have not lasted..There are many examples of splinter groups but only a few that have caused this much damage...Like I said before,I have been to tea party meetings a couple of years ago when it was getting started in Pennsylvania and it started out with great ideas..I think it has been overtaken by extremists and a lot of racial hatred..Personally I'm not on a crusade to eliminate racism,it's way above my pay grade,but I don't want the country to be driven to the stone age by a few with their private agenda.

The Copperheads compared to the Tea Party? Why didn't you go all the way and say the Klu Klux Klan? Entirely ridiculous. Your perceptions of the Tea Party is unadulterated lies and nonsense. There's no truth to any of it. End of story.

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Ritchie...You calling me a liar???got news for you pal..I've seen it FIRST HAND...If you choose to bury your head in the sand that's on you...

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I was involved with the Tea Party up north in New England and there was no trace of so-called racism. Just a bunch of nice people who are concerned for America's future. That's all.

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vg you are talking about the majority of the Tea Party members and activity.
hrp is talking about the minority which may contain some members/attitudes that are not in line.

It is the old 80-20 at work....and it is unfortunate that people tend to use the minority incidents as the template for the rest of the organization. Usually because it suits their personal purpose/intent.

Like the media they will attempt to force looking at the world through a straw. They would say the entire world is gray if the were looking at the side of an elephant through a straw!!!! Unfortunately!!

The majority in the tea party, just like the R's and the D's want to do what is right to fix the country.

btk

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The Copperheads compared to the Tea Party? Why didn't you go all the way and say the Klu Klux Klan? Entirely ridiculous. Your perceptions of the Tea Party is unadulterated lies and nonsense. There's no truth to any of it. End of story.

Here is where the difference gets highlighted rather than understood.

Are Tea Party folks racists? NO, but if one was a racist looking for a Party to join, it would most likely be the Tea Party.

Are Republicans all like Ebeneser Scrooge? NO, but if you are stingy and tight, then the Republican Party is the best choice for you.

Are Democrats responsible for all free handouts? NO, but if you support giving it away free, then the Democratic Party is your best shot.

Unfortunately, stereo typing by category is much quicker than looking at individuals and issues one by one.

And thats all I got to say about that.

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vg you are talking about the majority of the Tea Party members and activity.
hrp is talking about the minority which may contain some members/attitudes that are not in line.

It is the old 80-20 at work....and it is unfortunate that people tend to use the minority incidents as the template for the rest of the organization. Usually because it suits their personal purpose/intent.

Like the media they will attempt to force looking at the world through a straw. They would say the entire world is gray if the were looking at the side of an elephant through a straw!!!! Unfortunately!!

The majority in the tea party, just like the R's and the D's want to do what is right to fix the country.

btk

Much water gone under the bridge but I was there for the original Tea Party protest with my homemade sign standing inside a round-a-bout. I talked with dozens of people that unforgettable day. Like any organization after it has been around for awhile, it will attract the undesirables. They will be out in droves in the coming months and we are always looking for the infiltrators and identifying them.

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Ritchie...You calling me a liar???got news for you pal..I've seen it FIRST HAND...If you choose to bury your head in the sand that's on you...

It's either a lie to bolster you ridiculous comments, or you know some crappy people. Either way, your take on what ever it is you consider "tea party" people is ludicrous.

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vill 2...Amen

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Here is where the difference gets highlighted rather than understood.

Are Tea Party folks racists? NO, but if one was a racist looking for a Party to join, it would most likely be the Tea Party.

Are Republicans all like Ebeneser Scrooge? NO, but if you are stingy and tight, then the Republican Party is the best choice for you.

Are Democrats responsible for all free handouts? NO, but if you support giving it away free, then the Democratic Party is your best shot.

Unfortunately, stereo typing by category is much quicker than looking at individuals and issues one by one.

And thats all I got to say about that.

Yeah, great. Why didn't you say,

"If you're a Communist and want to crush the capitalist system, the Democrats would be the Party you would join".

"If you're a guy who wants to exploit the minorities by race baiting, the Democrats would be the Party for you"

"If you're a guy who wants to change the country from within by overpopulating the country with non-America loving illegals, the Democrat Party would be the Party for you.

I got a million of them. All of them as ridiculous as anything you can say.

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Ritchie...I doubt you would call me a liar to my face....and it is quite obvious you are the poster boy for the tea party movement..Good Luck in that pal..

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Ritchie...I doubt you would call me a liar to my face....and it is quite obvious you are the poster boy for the tea party movement..Good Luck in that pal..

Anytime, pal. Obviously you don't know me very well.

By the way; I've never been to a Tea Party rally and never went to any kind of meeting. The Tea Party's goals are inline with mine and that's all there is too it. You want to taint an organization by pointing to a couple of oddities, and that's your game. I can do the same thing to you leftists (don't be giving me that "I'm a conservative" stuff; because nothing in your posts alludes to that)

You talk like nobody else observes what's going on and rely on you to give them the skinny. Well, think again.

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Yeah, great. Why didn't you say,

"If you're a Communist and want to crush the capitalist system, the Democrats would be the Party you would join".

"If you're a guy who wants to exploit the minorities by race baiting, the Democrats would be the Party for you"

"If you're a guy who wants to change the country from within by overpopulating the country with non-America loving illegals, the Democrat Party would be the Party for you.

I got a million of them. All of them as ridiculous as anything you can say.

:boom::ho:

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ritchie...You trying to come off as some type of enforcer? I don't see that as a chance in hell of happening..BTW I don't give a rat's a_ _ what you think of my politics..I'm honest and that is far more than I can say for YOU...

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Remember yesterday?

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I refuse to stand by idoly and let anyone question my character...Especially him..

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Well, everybody can obviously do what he or she pleases, but I for one, am going to do my best and avoid being baited anymore. They will bait you to say things and then they will tell the moderator that you being personal. Seen it happen thousands of times in the heat of the discussion.

That all I will say on this subject. I'm out here. Good day for golf, after my workout.

CHEERS

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good luck on your game..I'm playing at 4

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Yeah, great. Why didn't you say,

"If you're a Communist and want to crush the capitalist system, the Democrats would be the Party you would join".

"If you're a guy who wants to exploit the minorities by race baiting, the Democrats would be the Party for you"

"If you're a guy who wants to change the country from within by overpopulating the country with non-America loving illegals, the Democrat Party would be the Party for you.

I got a million of them. All of them as ridiculous as anything you can say.

Those would be good additions, but there all true. I was just trying to point out that Republicans and the Tea Party has lots of bigots and racists. Not all, but a lot and the Democrats being a raciest is very uncommon. Ya know I'm right on this one.

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ritchie...You trying to come off as some type of enforcer? I don't see that as a chance in hell of happening..BTW I don't give a rat's a_ _ what you think of my politics..I'm honest and that is far more than I can say for YOU...

I have watched him enforce on here to the point that most just leave. Relentless with sarcasm until the average person becomes so upset they quit being part of the TOTV. I have left and even changed my login ID and this time, I just don't argue as it is pointless. A perfect agitator, so I have decided to join with a handshake and a beer and laugh at it all. Not a bad person, simply enjoys the battle over how to upset the other person the most. Get this, I support most of what he posts in for its content, but do know the sting of his hateful sarcasm, so I just keep quite. No offense to either party.

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Those would be good additions, but there all true. I was just trying to point out that Republicans and the Tea Party has lots of bigots and racists. Not all, but a lot and the Democrats being a raciest is very uncommon. Ya know I'm right on this one.

Nonsense, I would be willing to bet the Democrat Party is loaded with people you would consider racist. I can make a case the Vice President of your party is a closet racist.

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ritchie...You trying to come off as some type of enforcer? I don't see that as a chance in hell of happening..BTW I don't give a rat's a_ _ what you think of my politics..I'm honest and that is far more than I can say for YOU...

Enforcer?; where the heck does that come from. You have always come after me and attacked me. I have only responded to your uncalled for attacks.

My mistake is entertaining your unstable anger issues. I can't even understand your position most of the time in your rambling diatribes, and you seem to think you make sense.

If you think you can bully me, you're sadly mistaken.

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I think that they are jealous because most of them (the left) are inarticulate and rely mostly on old party line crapola. Keep up the good work Richie.

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Villager 2 -
Hey, I would be careful of how I talk to a former Teamster, a guy who works out on weights on a regular basis, and can put back bar brand bourbons with no effects at all - and has a great sense of humor.

He hasn't gotten a hole-in-one yet, though.

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Villager 2 -
Hey, I would be careful of how I talk to a former Teamster, a guy who works out on weights on a regular basis, and can put back bar brand bourbons with no effects at all - and has a great sense of humor.

He hasn't gotten a hole-in-one yet, though.

I know I'm letting myself get upset with the jerk du jour, and I don't mean VillagerII, even though he's surprising me, as I thought we'd come to an understanding.

The fact that you're defending me is a little embarrassing to me. You shouldn't have to do that, but you know I appreciate it.

Thanks friend, I owe you again.

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I thought he was giving you a shot on your choice of bourbons.:a040:

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I thought he was giving you a shot on your choice of bourbons.:a040:

Hey, if the well bourbon is good, I'm good. The top shelf is a little pricey for this retirees taste. Fixed income and all, you know. Where I go they know me and give me an excellent pour, so even better.

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Hey, if the well bourbon is good, I'm good. The top shelf is a little pricey for this retirees taste. Fixed income and all, you know. Where I go they know me and give me an excellent pour, so even better.

Hey, it is the results that matter.

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And the scenery is excellent is as excellent as the bourbon and the Yeungling.

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And the scenery is excellent is as excellent as the bourbon and the Yeungling.

"Standing on the corner, watching all the girls go by"

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Hey, if the well bourbon is good, I'm good. The top shelf is a little pricey for this retirees taste. Fixed income and all, you know. Where I go they know me and give me an excellent pour, so even better.

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of the top shelf can cost as much as my weekly allowance. I might go for a Makers or Dickel, but not the top shelf please.

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Nothing better than a little Crown Royal...

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Nothing better than a little Crown Royal...

I don't think that is a Bourbon, but blended.

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It is a blend..Must be from My liberal side...Canadian too..I think..very smooth

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Many years ago I was a big fan of Old GrandDad.

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old granddad(sp)..Was my parents favorite...

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I'm kinda fond of "Jim" myself, but I'm not too fussy and if anyone wants to buy me a shot of Knob Creek, I always happy to accept.

The thing is, bourbon and I get along so well. It treats me really fine now, and never leaves me feeling poorly later. Can't say that about too many things.