Obama's new target..."Congress"....

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if the so called partisan loggerhead(s) are the current excuse for not being able to get things done....why did he not breeze through all the things he wanted when it was all Dem controlled???

I truly believe he thinks he is a catalyst, a thinker, a talker, a promiser and that it is up to everyone else to do something. I further believe he really feels he has addressed an issue/problem when he speaks about it...then he is done. What else could one conclude when most of what he says or promises just hits the floor when he leaves the microphone or the teleprompter stops scrolling.

He cannot assess leadership since he has never lead.

This is not bashing, it just happens to be the as-is persona/capability (or not) of the man. He talked his way into the WH...I guess in some fashion they all do, but some do deliver on SOME of what they talked about. Obama's can point to multi billion $$$$ stimulous programs and Obama care...one of which did not work and the other will not work.

Just listen as he puts "congress" between him and getting the job done...

btk

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(U.S. socialist presidential candidate)

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But,under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Ladies and gentlemen, it is happening right now, and within a few short years, we will be worse off then Europe.

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(U.S. socialist presidential candidate)

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But,under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Ladies and gentlemen, it is happening right now, and within a few short years, we will be worse off then Europe.

Hope I live long enough to see it happen. :icon_wink:

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Hope I live long enough to see it happen. :icon_wink:

So you admit to being a communist? Explains alot.:ohdear:

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Wow, Vgolfer I love the way you get from being a socialist nation to calling a guy a communist. No commonality,no link,no proof so what. If you say it it must be true.

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Wow, Vgolfer I love the way you get from being a socialist nation to calling a guy a communist. No commonality,no link,no proof so what. If you say it it must be true.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

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I hate calling anybody anything, but I would prefer "collectivist". The difference is the socialists believe in equality of result. Libertarians believe in equality of opportunity. That is how this country was founded and how it has prospered.

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..One nation UNDER CORPORATION, With LIBERTY AND JUSTICE for those who can afford it.... "talked his way into the white house", Much better than stealing it through phony vote counts,or buying your way in...Get real

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President Barack Hussein Obama---A Democrat speaks inane rubbish.

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Wow, Vgolfer I love the way you get from being a socialist nation to calling a guy a communist. No commonality,no link,no proof so what. If you say it it must be true.

DaleMN said Hope I live long enough to see it happen. In response to this nation is being turned into socialism. Maybe I'm wrong but socialism is kinda like communism? I get these " ism's" confused sometimes. My bad.:sad:

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Well there is a difference. Marx said that socialisim ("dictatorship of the proletariat") was the path towards communism. Communism being a classless, stateless society. Neither seems particularly attractive to me. As I have said, this is equlaity of result. I am all for equality of opportunity.

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As I have said he is trying to create a dictatorship. Get the people scared then give away the bank and get the people on your side then discredit the other governing bobies and presto you gotem. I hope this dosent happen. We the people cant be that dum.

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Yea, I'm a democrat...And proud of it...For all the tea party,racist,zealots think of what you preach.."What would Jesus do?"....Somehow I don't believe we will be sitting out this election, like we did the last one..Gonna be fun so all I say is, Bring it! For the fool that commented on insanity,I suggest he learn to spell and take a good look in the mirror..Gloves off folks..

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As I have said he is trying to create a dictatorship. Get the people scared then give away the bank and get the people on your side then discredit the other governing bobies and presto you gotem. I hope this dosent happen. We the people cant be that dum.

Never let a good crisis go to waste. That is Obama's motto.

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For the fool that commented on insanity,I suggest he learn to spell and take a good look in the mirror..Gloves off folks..

He didn't mean "insane"...he said "inane" which means "one who lacks sense or substance".:popcorn:

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Yea, I'm a democrat...And proud of it...For all the tea party,racist,zealots think of what you preach.."What would Jesus do?"....Somehow I don't believe we will be sitting out this election, like we did the last one..Gonna be fun so all I say is, Bring it! For the fool that commented on insanity,I suggest he learn to spell and take a good look in the mirror..Gloves off folks..

:ohdear: Who is the fool now???:crap2:

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Yea, I'm a democrat...And proud of it...For all the tea party,racist,zealots think of what you preach.."What would Jesus do?"....Somehow I don't believe we will be sitting out this election, like we did the last one..Gonna be fun so all I say is, Bring it! For the fool that commented on insanity,I suggest he learn to spell and take a good look in the mirror..Gloves off folks..

Talk about zealots..........very aggressive verbiage; gloves off?........really?..............and how about your use of vile insults because you disagree?...............a little self examination is in order.

You might like to try to express yourself with less anger. You'll last longer.

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One common trait I see around here is that most conservatives will attack politicians or other public figures. Liberals cannot control their rage at people who disagree with them, therefore they attack fellow posters. I'm not saying that conservatives don't attack, but it is usually in self-defense.

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Inane...No substance...Not the way I remember it...

I did notice that almost all the threads and topics on this political forum have been "hijacked" by a very few, extremists. they appear to have no room for reality as perceived by others (difference of opinion). I see the same tired rhetoriic and talking points the tea party uses continuously, God,Guns, no government..Hate inspired talk by a few misguided individuals,that are willing to destroy this country, just to make Obama a one term president. I've seen it first hand by neighbors with some really disgusting attempts at humor, all of it racist and hateful..As a Vietnam vet,I can say, "They" have the same color blood as us..BTW, the democratic party is alive and well in the Villages.

We are becoming a nation of two trades...Burger flippers and warriors..We can kill, bomb,better than anyone, some out of necessity..On the other hand when someone mentions giving a helping hand to feed and educate, You say oh no, we can't have big government..We need to buy hundreds of planes(F22 raptors) at a tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and THEY DON'T FLY. OH BUT WAIT,WE CAN'T LOOK AT DEFENSE SPENDING,THAT'S OFF LIMITS..RUBBISH. How many of you patriots have held a firearm in harms way and stood a post? I have, and it's a lonely existence, but one to learn from. For the tea party I say look at history, look at the COPPERHEADS..the last attempt to undermine a country, and they nearly did..(Dems too). Learn from histoy, look for common ground, and demonstrate a willingness to consider the other side's opinion...finally, "Of course FASCISM will arrive in this country, it will be disguised as PATRIOTISM".......Huey Long

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Inane...No substance...Not the way I remember it...

I did notice that almost all the threads and topics on this political forum have been "hijacked" by a very few, extremists. they appear to have no room for reality as perceived by others (difference of opinion). I see the same tired rhetoriic and talking points the tea party uses continuously, God,Guns, no government..Hate inspired talk by a few misguided individuals,that are willing to destroy this country, just to make Obama a one term president. I've seen it first hand by neighbors with some really disgusting attempts at humor, all of it racist and hateful..As a Vietnam vet,I can say, "They" have the same color blood as us..BTW, the democratic party is alive and well in the Villages.

We are becoming a nation of two trades...Burger flippers and warriors..We can kill, bomb,better than anyone, some out of necessity..On the other hand when someone mentions giving a helping hand to feed and educate, You say oh no, we can't have big government..We need to buy hundreds of planes(F22 raptors) at a tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and THEY DON'T FLY. OH BUT WAIT,WE CAN'T LOOK AT DEFENSE SPENDING,THAT'S OFF LIMITS..RUBBISH. How many of you patriots have held a firearm in harms way and stood a post? I have, and it's a lonely existence, but one to learn from. For the tea party I say look at history, look at the COPPERHEADS..the last attempt to undermine a country, and they nearly did..(Dems too). Learn from histoy, look for common ground, and demonstrate a willingness to consider the other side's opinion...finally, "Of course FASCISM will arrive in this country, it will be disguised as PATRIOTISM".......Huey Long
inane(adj.) lacking sense and substance. Describes the current occupier of the White House rather aptly, don't ya think?;)

I would be very careful about boasting about being a Vet around here. You might be very surprised and humbled by the credentials of some posters here.:crap2:

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I'm not going to address all your rambling and ranting HRP, except to say that for some reason you have this all turned around in your mind.

For we conservatives it the 2 political parties who have lost their way, and most particularly the Democrat Party you are enamored of. The Tea Party only came into existence because of the vast federal overreach of our government and our lives. The Tea Party didn't form a "political party" per se, but seeks to transform the Republican Party, which is far closer in ideals, into a party to again represent the people who make this country great and to get off their backs as much as possible.

If you read your own post you will see you have a hate and anger evident in almost every sentence and then you are the one "to throw stones".

You should be able to share your ideas without the wholesale attacks on all of those who you have a difference of opinion with. It quite unbecoming.

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Who would you guys like me to forward the racist/hateful email I get from "some of your tea party villagers to?

I certainly hope there was no implied threat with that notice of my need to "be careful"...I don't think so pal...

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Who would you guys like me to forward the racist/hateful email I get from "some of your tea party villagers to?

I certainly hope there was no implied threat with that notice of my need to "be careful"...I don't think so pal...

Where did I say "be careful"? "implied threat"?;.......A little paranoid?

Racist hate mail from Villagers? Why would anyone send you racist hate mail; particularly Villagers?

A little fanciful, in my opinion.

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Inane...No substance...Not the way I remember it...

I did notice that almost all the threads and topics on this political forum have been "hijacked" by a very few, extremists. they appear to have no room for reality as perceived by others (difference of opinion). I see the same tired rhetoriic and talking points the tea party uses continuously, God,Guns, no government..Hate inspired talk by a few misguided individuals,that are willing to destroy this country, just to make Obama a one term president. I've seen it first hand by neighbors with some really disgusting attempts at humor, all of it racist and hateful..As a Vietnam vet,I can say, "They" have the same color blood as us..BTW, the democratic party is alive and well in the Villages.

We are becoming a nation of two trades...Burger flippers and warriors..We can kill, bomb,better than anyone, some out of necessity..On the other hand when someone mentions giving a helping hand to feed and educate, You say oh no, we can't have big government..We need to buy hundreds of planes(F22 raptors) at a tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and THEY DON'T FLY. OH BUT WAIT,WE CAN'T LOOK AT DEFENSE SPENDING,THAT'S OFF LIMITS..RUBBISH. How many of you patriots have held a firearm in harms way and stood a post? I have, and it's a lonely existence, but one to learn from. For the tea party I say look at history, look at the COPPERHEADS..the last attempt to undermine a country, and they nearly did..(Dems too). Learn from histoy, look for common ground, and demonstrate a willingness to consider the other side's opinion...finally, "Of course FASCISM will arrive in this country, it will be disguised as PATRIOTISM".......Huey Long


More stereotyping...? 3 of my 4 brothers-in-law are vets, one of which is still a Lieutenant Commander in the United States Navy. 4 of my 5 nephews are vets, one is still making a career of it and another was Army Airbornne in the Kuwait fight. His job was to crawl thru the desert at night with razor wire in his hand. His mom, my sister, has been an RN in the Army Reserves for the last 20 years. When her two sons were in the Middle East, she was called up to go also! ALL OF THESE ARE STRONG TEA PARTY SUPPORTERS! ...so, hrp01, what exactly is your point?

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I think he was referring to my post about being careful:

I would be very careful about boasting about being a Vet around here. You might be very surprised and humbled by the credentials of some posters here.
My comment was to inform you in a nice way that your not the only Vet here in this forum and that other vets may have credentials that may humble your boasting.
It was in no way a threat. Are we paranoid today?

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As usual,you guys did not address one point of my post...You chose to make it personal..I do believe the tea party is racially motivated and like I said,I have had several emails from friends, yes in the villages, that are tea party members or supporters, and they are inundated with raciall hatred. All points I mentioned about looking for common ground and looking for the other's opinion, military waste, corporate corruption,did you not read that, or is that not on your agenda or one of your talking points? And yes I'll address illegal immigration and welfare reform, both direly needed..How's that for common ground?

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The Tea Party is a reaction to taxes and the direction of this country. Race is not on their agenda. Racism or prejudice has been around for a long time and it involves all political parties. The democrats were heavily involved with the Ku Klux Klan. West Virginia democrat Senator Robert Byrd was an organizer for the Klan.
Do you remember the e-mails going around about Clarence Thomas? How about Condoleezza Rice? Does that make the democrats racist?

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Who would you guys like me to forward the racist/hateful email I get from "some of your tea party villagers to?

I certainly hope there was no implied threat with that notice of my need to "be careful"...I don't think so pal...

Report those emails to the administrator...forward them to him. There is no call for that kind of behavior on anyone's part.

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As usual,you guys did not address one point of my post...You chose to make it personal..I do believe the tea party is racially motivated and like I said,I have had several emails from friends, yes in the villages, that are tea party members or supporters, and they are inundated with raciall hatred. All points I mentioned about looking for common ground and looking for the other's opinion, military waste, corporate corruption,did you not read that, or is that not on your agenda or one of your talking points? And yes I'll address illegal immigration and welfare reform, both direly needed..How's that for common ground?


More bigotted blanket statements about the Tea Party? Aren't you accusing them of what you indeed are doing here?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigot_(disambiguation)A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different political views, ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.

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you are right about the comments made in the past about Rice and Thomas..No room for either in my opinion...But like I said,not one response to any of the points...still sticking to the topic talking points spewed by the tea party..No room for any common ground anywhere, one term,no matter what the cost/damage to our country...

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you are right about the comments made in the past about Rice and Thomas..No room for either in my opinion...But like I said,not one response to any of the points...still sticking to the topic talking points spewed by the tea party..No room for any common ground anywhere, one term,no matter what the cost/damage to our country...

You're the one who comes on this forum and starts libeling everyone in sight and treating all with contempt, and now you want us to respond to your hateful rantings?

Really? Most people turn their backs on someone who speaks as angrily as you do.

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Or says what you don't want to hear...Or admit...libel,I don't think so..Just one person's opinion based on actual first hand knowledge from the representatives of your party I have encountered...

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You're the one who comes on this forum and starts libeling everyone in sight and treating all with contempt, and now you want us to respond to your hateful rantings?

Really? Most people turn their backs on someone who speaks as angrily as you do.

A new adversary emerges???? :cus:

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You're the one who comes on this forum and starts libeling everyone in sight and treating all with contempt, and now you want us to respond to your hateful rantings?

Really? Most people turn their backs on someone who speaks as angrily as you do.

I know that I already have...:popcorn:

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Take note of the number of posts of the new entrant.
I smell chum on the water and hear trolling.
They always seem to have the same method of stirring the pot. Must not be anything for them to watch on the tube.
Then there are the folks who return with a new ID to do some taunting.


btk

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You're right about the number of posts...I have QUIETLY been observing this forum for awhile and see it permeated with the same rhetoric over and over..Time for the other side to open our mouths a little..We have been quiet for too long and screwed up the mid term elections as a result...NO MORE

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You're right about the number of posts...I have QUIETLY been observing this forum for awhile and see it permeated with the same rhetoric over and over..Time for the other side to open our mouths a little..We have been quiet for too long and screwed up the mid term elections as a result...NO MORE

Ho hum, The country is in a mess because of the Hopey Changey thing and we are going broke. Time to get a real leader in the White House, so please vote against Obama? Will you at least consider voting against Obama and vote for America?

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You're right about the number of posts...I have QUIETLY been observing this forum for awhile and see it permeated with the same rhetoric over and over..Time for the other side to open our mouths a little..We have been quiet for too long and screwed up the mid term elections as a result...NO MORE

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?????????????????

I suspect that we have a troll. Do not feed him and he might go away.

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village golfer, no I'm not a troll...Just tired of listening to the diatribe spewed by you and your cronies...I am seriously considering a Republican, but not a chance in Hades I'll vote for a George Bush clone or one of the right wingers fronting for your party right now...If you put a moderate up there I'll vote for him/her..I'm not a lover of Obama but certainly not ready to step back to the stone age either...Alll INCUMBENTS OUT...how about that? Do that for three elections and we'll impose term limits and at the same time do away with professional/corrupt politicians in love with the corporate world and not looking out for constituent's best interest...

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village golfer, no I'm not a troll...Just tired of listening to the diatribe spewed by you and your cronies...I am seriously considering a Republican, but not a chance in Hades I'll vote for a George Bush clone or one of the right wingers fronting for your party right now...If you put a moderate up there I'll vote for him/her..I'm not a lover of Obama but certainly not ready to step back to the stone age either...Alll INCUMBENTS OUT...how about that? Do that for three elections and we'll impose term limits and at the same time do away with professional/corrupt politicians in love with the corporate world and not looking out for constituent's best interest...

I have never said who I will vote for in 2012. You can speculate at will, but I will announce my candidate in the near future. Can Bubba Clinton run again? If not, I nominate Monica Lewinsky, and Bubba can run as Vice President, is that legal?

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He would definitely get my vote...:super:

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Interesting tactic. Say nothing interesting, and nobody knows what to add to that. hmmmmm..............

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Interesting tactic. Say nothing interesting, and nobody knows what to add to that. hmmmmm..............

Who are you addressing? :undecided:

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Who are you addressing? :undecided:

Not you. Our new very angry poster is constantly saying things that make me think, What???????????? it's hard to comment on nonsense and the nonsense is getting deep in here.

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Not you. Our new very angry poster is constantly saying things that make me think, What???????????? it hard to comment on nonsense and the nonsense is getting deep in here.

Oh wow, I guess I was having another brain fart.

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Only here are you able to make such insignificant, but hateful comments which offend many people; their thoughts, their ideologies= and are allowed to continue and continue. Like President Obama, I too have been a community activist in my time, it was always people like you...loud and shrill...who
frightened me. As 'elders' we certainly don't look like role models when people
like you voice discontent, hatred, other-invested ideas. For me, I still remember that Sarah Palin could see Russia from Alaska. "We" are the government, and "we" are in this together for solutions, not divisiveness.

I wanted to steer clear of the Political Board as I've read your comments,
this is my first and last one here. I will however, I'm sure, cancel your vote,
so spew away.

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You can consider these the words of a paranoid.

How long will it be before there are so many complaints that the Political forum is a totally hateful place. That it is a place where right-wing radicals and Republicans say disgusting things about our President and our government and the kind Democrats and liberals who try to carry on a peaceful informative dialogue in this forum. I'm sorry, that's already happening. While, how long before these goodtime liberals start complaining to the sponsors? How long before there is pressure from sponsors to shut down the file and disgusting political forum because they do not want their product associated with such vitriol.

That would certainly stop like minded people from having intelligent political discussion with each other in the villages. It would not stop it but it would seriously cut down the free exchange of ideas and information.

Think it can't happen? Read the rules for radicals by Saul Alinsky.

As I said in the beginning, just some thoughts from a paranoid.

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Only here are you able to make such insignificant, but hateful comments which offend many people; their thoughts, their ideologies= and are allowed to continue and continue. Like President Obama, I too have been a community activist in my time, it was always people like you...loud and shrill...who
frightened me. As 'elders' we certainly don't look like role models when people
like you voice discontent, hatred, other-invested ideas. For me, I still remember that Sarah Palin could see Russia from Alaska. "We" are the government, and "we" are in this together for solutions, not divisiveness.

I wanted to steer clear of the Political Board as I've read your comments,
this is my first and last one here. I will however, I'm sure, cancel your vote,
so spew away.

Wow, you sure have alot of anger. I betcha you feel better now?

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I feel better...Look out here they come..How long do you think this country will allow this foolishness to continue?..Like I said,it's just starting..We'll fix the problems,with or without you..Either bi-partisan COOPERATION or a NEW set of congressmen..Your choice.

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I feel better...Look out here they come..How long do you think this country will allow this foolishness to continue?..Like I said,it's just starting..We'll fix the problems,with or without you..Either bi-partisan COOPERATION or a NEW set of congressmen..Your choice.

The addition of your hate filled posts won't change the world and won't change this forum. All the hate spewers like you eventually self destructed, and if you continue, so will you.

You don't seem to be able to give your opinion without insults and personal attacks, and that will seal your fate, in time.

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Ritchie,send a search party out at once...I mean really,why not try and find a life...

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The addition of your hate filled posts won't change the world and won't change this forum. All the hate spewers like you eventually self destructed, and if you continue, so will you.

You don't seem to be able to give your opinion without insults and personal attacks, and that will seal your fate, in time.

Liberals are almost always more aggressive than conservatives here, as liberals insist on the last word,insist on continuing debate long after it has become tiresome, and repeat complaints after they have been rejected. That could represent an attempt to waste an opponent's time or a refusal to recognize that there are legitimate reasons to reject liberal viewpoints.

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Liberals are almost always more aggressive than conservatives here, as liberals insist on the last word,insist on continuing debate long after it has become tiresome, and repeat complaints after they have been rejected. That could represent an attempt to waste an opponent's time or a refusal to recognize that there are legitimate reasons to reject liberal viewpoints.

Not even close. I am a conservative, but will say that by far the most aggressive are the Right Wing Folks.

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(U.S. socialist presidential candidate)

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But,under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Ladies and gentlemen, it is happening right now, and within a few short years, we will be worse off then Europe.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.:22yikes:

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Not even close. I am a conservative, but will say that by far the most aggressive are the Right Wing Folks.

Maybe, have you gone back and read any of the archives from 2008?

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The sky is falling, the sky is falling.:22yikes:

See, nothing but ridicule, but it is expected.:ohdear:

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Maybe, have you gone back and read any of the archives from 2008?

I was right in the thick of this site in 2008. Your right, it was a battle, thats why I would like to see more debate this year than the one line insults. Help me out with that would you.

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Not even close. I am a conservative, but will say that by far the most aggressive are the Right Wing Folks.

Really? I know you have been reading the posts of our new and very angry poster. You can really say that after reading them?

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Ritchie,send a search party out at once...I mean really,why not try and find a life...

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Really? I know you have been reading the posts of our new and very angry poster. You can really say that after reading them?

Yes, but long term is what I mean. He will cool down and be ok in a month or so.

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When I sail on a ship of fools,I don't expect calm weather...

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Truman wasn't into name calling he just alluded to the fact that if your in the kitchen there will be heat and if ya don't like it the door swings both ways.

This way there is no character assassination which seems to be so necessary to some!!!!! A trait that is usually displayed in anonymous encounters.

btk

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Truman wasn't into name calling he just alluded to the fact that if your in the kitchen there will be heat and if ya don't like it the door swings both ways.

This way there is no character assassination which seems to be so necessary to some!!!!! A trait that is usually displayed in anonymous encounters.

btk

Yea, over-reliance on mockery rather than logical argument.;)

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Look in a mirror, Village Golfer.

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Look in a mirror, Village Golfer.

Your wrong Bugsy, I have campaigned here to stop attacks, mockery is a liberal trait, it is almost as bad as liberal whining , which we all know your aware of.;)

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Your wrong Bugsy, I have campaigned here to stop attacks, mockery is a liberal trait, it is almost as bad as liberal whining , which we all know your aware of.;)

Actually, in all honesty, you've done your fair share of mocking posts yourself. Not that I disagree with the ultimate point you're making very often, but mocking it is. We all do it to some degree.

My mocking of some posts I consider laughable or silly or self serving are more rooted in sarcasm (as long as I'm amused and not angry), because that's MY style.

Mocking doesn't always have to be mean and the recipient might even understand and appreciate the humor. Didn't you and your friends go at each other when you were kids?

The thing is not to overtly insult the other person. It's sometimes a fine line and that's why some are overly sensitive to the mocking, but that's how I see it this day, Sept. 12th 2011.......Back to you Chet

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Ah, who cares. I'm leaving for golf in a minute then football tonite -Miami vs New England Patriots. Life is good. Maybe mockery was the wrong word belittling a fellow poster? Bye.

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Ah, who cares. I'm leaving for golf in a minute then football tonite -Miami vs New England Patriots. Life is good. Maybe mockery was the wrong word belittling a fellow poster? Bye.

Enjoy the round and the game. It's gonna be a lovely evening and I'll be out and about with the guys. I would have liked to catch the Tea Party Debate just for the hell of it, but there's too much to do that's more fun. I guess I'll catch up with the debate in the print and online media manana.

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Enjoy the round and the game. It's gonna be a lovely evening and I'll be out and about with the guys. I would have liked to catch the Tea Party Debate just for the hell of it, but there's too much to do that's more fun. I guess I'll catch up with the debate in the print and online media manana.

Richie- do you go to the TOTV lunches at Crispers?

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Richie- do you go to the TOTV lunches at Crispers?

No, I haven't. I may be wrong, but I don't think there are too many political posters at those affairs. I'm not really a one trick pony and do post on other categories, but I'm not sure I'd really fit in.

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No, I haven't. I may be wrong, but I don't think there are too many political posters at those affairs. I'm not really a one trick pony and do post on other categories, but I'm not sure I'd really fit in.

I have only been to 2 and there were a wide range of folks and it was kind of fun. Bill and Brillo will be there and I have to thank Bill for all his help. I think you would fit in fine...no political talk there as far as I could tell. Just nice conversations.

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if the so called partisan loggerhead(s) are the current excuse for not being able to get things done....why did he not breeze through all the things he wanted when it was all Dem controlled???

I truly believe he thinks he is a catalyst, a thinker, a talker, a promiser and that it is up to everyone else to do something. I further believe he really feels he has addressed an issue/problem when he speaks about it...then he is done. What else could one conclude when most of what he says or promises just hits the floor when he leaves the microphone or the teleprompter stops scrolling.

He cannot assess leadership since he has never lead.

This is not bashing, it just happens to be the as-is persona/capability (or not) of the man. He talked his way into the WH...I guess in some fashion they all do, but some do deliver on SOME of what they talked about. Obama's can point to multi billion $$$$ stimulous programs and Obama care...one of which did not work and the other will not work.

Just listen as he puts "congress" between him and getting the job done...

btk

billiethekid: Quite an intelligent summary and should have provided a basis for some good discussion but all I read for the next 8 pages was "is so, Is not, Is so, Is not, Is so, Is not. If I am correct the breakdown began with the first claim of racism. How some folks can make a logical jump from disagreement to acts of racism is a mystery. So as an American of Italian descent I'll find this instructive and the next time I hear some one say they do not like a tomato meat sauce on their pasta I am gong to know they despise Italians....I am just going to know OMG!

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Rubicon,We can all just bury our heads in the sand and pretend racism does not exist..I know for a fact and have seen it in writing through private e-mails from several neighbors and friends of mine in the Villages and they are outspoken tea party members..I believe that is what is currently driving the hate towards Obama along with his stance on corporations...

That said,I don't think he's a great leader either and I hope this election doesn't end like the last one,"lesser of the two evils".

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Racism will be here for eternity, it is human nature. It is a minority and isn't worth spending the time to talk about it. Remember, it was not very long ago that e-mails and posters of George Bush looking like a monkey were everywhere. If they put pictures of Obama looking like that would it be racist, or are they saying he is stupid like I presume the liberals thought Bush was?

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Racism will be here for eternity, it is human nature. It is a minority and isn't worth spending the time to talk about it. Remember, it was not very long ago that e-mails and posters of George Bush looking like a monkey were everywhere. If they put pictures of Obama looking like that would it be racist, or are they saying he is stupid like I presume the liberals thought Bush was?

let's be careful that we do not let the liberal progressive left label things as racism that are not. You say that racism will be here for eternity. Are you sure that you mean racism or perhaps you mean discrimination. I agree with you that if you mean discrimination it will in fact be here for ever. People discriminate every day. Some people like Chevrolets some people like Fords. Some people like roast beef some people like none.

Is it racism if you think that black inner-city culture is not as good as traditional Anglo-Saxon white culture? Is that racism? If you state that there are more black criminals in our jails which have beens to be true. Is that racism or just an observation of the facts. I think we have to be very careful as to what we call racism. People have been playing the race bating game for too long.

Culturalism is not racism.

Just some thoughts

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let's be careful that we do not let the liberal progressive left label things as racism that are not. You say that racism will be here for eternity. Are you sure that you mean racism or perhaps you mean discrimination. I agree with you that if you mean discrimination it will in fact be here for ever. People discriminate every day. Some people like Chevrolets some people like Fords. Some people like roast beef sub people like none.

Is it racism if you think that black inner-city culture is not as good as traditional Anglo-Saxon white culture? Is that racism? If you state that there are more black criminals in our jails which have beens to be true. Is that racism or just an observation of the facts. I think we have to be very careful as to what we call racism. People have been playing the race bating game for too long.

Culturalism is not racism.

Just some thoughts
You have some great thoughts. Perhaps, the liberals constant repetition of the word "racism" has entered our subconsciousness. Brainwashing?

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Those that question that racism is rampant...Maybe you ought to look up the term CULTURAL RELATIVITY... Putting yourself in someone elses shoes....

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Those that question that racism is rampant...Maybe you ought to look up the term CULTURAL RELATIVITY... Putting yourself in someone elses shoes....

So that everyone will understand what you are talking about and possibly supply some very good insight as to your way of thinking and the way of thinking of uber Liberals, Progressives and those of similar stripe, I am including the following link.

http://cultural-relativism.com/

Truth is not relative. Truth is.

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if the so called partisan loggerhead(s) are the current excuse for not being able to get things done....why did he not breeze through all the things he wanted when it was all Dem controlled???

I truly believe he thinks he is a catalyst, a thinker, a talker, a promiser and that it is up to everyone else to do something. I further believe he really feels he has addressed an issue/problem when he speaks about it...then he is done. What else could one conclude when most of what he says or promises just hits the floor when he leaves the microphone or the teleprompter stops scrolling.

He cannot assess leadership since he has never lead.

This is not bashing, it just happens to be the as-is persona/capability (or not) of the man. He talked his way into the WH...I guess in some fashion they all do, but some do deliver on SOME of what they talked about. Obama's can point to multi billion $$$$ stimulous programs and Obama care...one of which did not work and the other will not work.

Just listen as he puts "congress" between him and getting the job done...

btk

:agree:

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Just say no..that's the mantra..What exactly do the Republicans propose? I know the plan of our reps, Rubio and Nugent, more subsidies to greedy corporations such as Exon...ALL INCUMBENTS OUT

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Just say no..that's the mantra..What exactly do the Republicans propose? I know the plan of our reps, Rubio and Nugent, more subsidies to greedy corporations such as Exon...ALL INCUMBENTS OUT

Subsidies from Republicans OR Bailouts/Stimulus from Democrats...6 of one OR half dozen of the other?

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I certainly do hope those with their "racist intent" magnifying glass have the presence of mind and opinion to sort out what the term racist really means AND a commentary about a person who is criticized for not doing the job....who happens to be black!!!

Look up racism in the dictionary first, then the word racist (because if you look racist first it refers to racism).

btk

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BTK..If you are talking of me, it is based on FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE..I got the e-mails from several local tea party activists..A fellow poster stated that at the town square an official representative of the tea party,manning a table for the organization, was making statements that absolutely were racist..Yea I know the difference and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it untrue...

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BTK..If you are talking of me, it is based on FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE..I got the e-mails from several local tea party activists..A fellow poster stated that at the town square an official representative of the tea party,manning a table for the organization, was making statements that absolutely were racist..Yea I know the difference and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it untrue...

So a few e-mails and one questionable statement from a bias individual at town square is what you have? Tea Party people are your uncle, your neighbor, your barber, your butcher etc. Your party hate line will not influence the most respectable Party the USA has had in decades.

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Congressman Walsh in dc...poster child for the tea party ...I guess we just have different values..I'm not buyin it...

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What would it be about a guy who somehow gets all the people who are racists to open up about their feelings and freely admit their rabid racism to this one individual?

I've gone through life and conversed with thousands of people, i guess, and the subject doesn't seem to come up. It's a puzzlement.

Well, I guess I won't dwell on it, as it seems an absurd thing, and it's best to just ignore the whole issue.

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What would it be about a guy who somehow gets all the people who are racists to open up about their feelings and freely admit their rabid racism to this one individual?

I've gone through life and conversed with thousands of people, i guess, and the subject doesn't seem to come up. It's a puzzlement.

Well, I guess I won't dwell on it, as it seems an absurd thing, and it's best to just ignore the whole issue.

I had to read that 3 times for it to sink in. Yes, what kind of guy would it be for someone to blurt out their inner feelings like some sort of exorcism. Seems this individual would have a talent that Geraldo Rivera would be envious of. Unless this talented individual was a figment of some liberal's imagination?

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you people lose the point entirely...I can't cure the racism,that's on them that believe in it..What concerns me is that is to some, driving their decisions...solely.....It comes in subtle ways and is not sought out..If you are a "regular kind of guy from a similar ,working with our hands,background" then it is easily brought out...Especially from the south and midwest it seems,that is where I encountered it..In Pa at the original meetings I attended,it was not at the forefront and I can truthfully say I never witnessed it as a "decider". There they actually were on the right track but because of the two party system, and the newness of the tp, their candidate was of low quality and finished dead last. I see them currently,as extremists with a "my way or the hiway attitude" as recently demonstrated in congress,and tacidly condoning racial bigotry.

proud dem "moonbat"...name given by in house tea party activists

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you people lose the point entirely...I can't cure the racism,that's on them that believe in it..What concerns me is that is to some, driving their decisions...solely.....It comes in subtle ways and is not sought out..If you are a "regular kind of guy from a similar ,working with our hands,background" then it is easily brought out...Especially from the south and midwest it seems,that is where I encountered it..In Pa at the original meetings I attended,it was not at the forefront and I can truthfully say I never witnessed it as a "decider". There they actually were on the right track but because of the two party system, and the newness of the tp, their candidate was of low quality and finished dead last. I see them currently,as extremists with a "my way or the hiway attitude" as recently demonstrated in congress,and tacidly condoning racial bigotry.

proud dem "moonbat"...name given by in house tea party activists

If I am reading this correctly, you are saying that the Tea Party condones racial bigotry? That absurd to say the least. Show us the proof.

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I said TACIDLY......by omission..They should speak out publicly against the e-mails and representative's comments that are so rampant...I have deleted several and they DID NOT ORIGINATE from my neighbors..Their was a LARGE DISTRIBUTION LIST..The tea party ought to get off the kick of one term....AT ANY COST...It's like saying the sky is blue..We all know it exists but how do you PROVE it...I've seen it, one other poster was subjected to it publicly,by THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, and yet you refuse to admit it exists at all...That is tacid approval!

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I said TACIDLY......by omission..They should speak out publicly against the e-mails and representative's comments that are so rampant...I have deleted several and they DID NOT ORIGINATE from my neighbors..Their was a LARGE DISTRIBUTION LIST..The tea party ought to get off the kick of one term....AT ANY COST...It's like saying the sky is blue..We all know it exists but how do you PROVE it...I've seen it, one other poster was subjected to it publicly,by THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, and yet you refuse to admit it exists at all...That is tacid approval!

I really have a hard time following you. Racism is not on the Tea Party agenda. Period.

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Then they ought to admit it exists and denounce it...LOUDLY

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Then they ought to admit it exists and denounce it...LOUDLY

Your not listening to me. Stop watching MSNBC and you might awaken.

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I'm think I'm beginning to get a handle on this. The progenitor of this observance of racism in all things around him is one of those who, if you disagree with what he believes to be true; the deviance from those opinions must be of a malicious nature. This phantom "maliciousness" is interpreted by him into racism when the subject is the President.

Hence, anyone who disagrees with him where it concerns the President must be, by his definition, a racist.

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I watch fox the same amt..and they are just "talking heads" to me...Of course racism is not on the Tea party's agenda...That would be stupid..The membership however, I've seen many, and I fear this is what is driving a lot of these people in their decision making...Never saw MSNBC or any other news org make any racism charges, Just seen it from some of the membership I know...And it is solely driving the ones I know as they have absolutely no interest in politics in general,just get him out...The only place I heard it was from a member of the black caucus on the floor, and it wasn't given any real merit..Grass roots drives everything..Without the support of the people,they cannot accomplish their goals..The grass roots I have met have questionable agendas....And the tea party refuses to admit it exists and denounce it...I think it will rear it's ugly head in the next election and I fear this will be the dirtiest election we will see in our lifetime...Lines are drawn in the sand and their is refusal to work together..

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I watch fox the same amt..and they are just "talking heads" to me...Of course racism is not on the Tea party's agenda...That would be stupid..The membership however, I've seen many, and I fear this is what is driving a lot of these people in their decision making...Never saw MSNBC or any other news org make any racism charges, Just seen it from some of the membership I know...And it is solely driving the ones I know as they have absolutely no interest in politics in general,just get him out...The only place I heard it was from a member of the black caucus on the floor, and it wasn't given any real merit..Grass roots drives everything..Without the support of the people,they cannot accomplish their goals..The grass roots I have met have questionable agendas....And the tea party refuses to admit it exists and denounce it...I think it will rear it's ugly head in the next election and I fear this will be the dirtiest election we will see in our lifetime...Lines are drawn in the sand and their is refusal to work together..


If racism is so firmly and quietly rooted into the foundation of the Tea Party, could you please explain to us these fine strong supporters of the Tea Party movement?
http://www.urbancure.org/advisors.asp

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how many are from the south...florida...??? the state that will carry the next election.

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HELLO!?!?!...Tea Party Racism?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CLPhz0DHM

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As a party, the Tea Party does not advocate racism.

I am sure that the majority of African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, and any other group besides some caucasians will not vote for Tea Party supported candidates. All of the groups that are "minority" are going to vote Democrat - along a great majority of non-minority voters.

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You could be right or, you could be wrong. I think minorities are waking up to the fact that the liberal form of government is only a form of slavery/non-freedom/dependency on the government/loss of dignity for their people. Only time will tell...

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Must be the latest talking points issued are to drum away that the tea party followers/supporters are racist. They are racist like Obama was to bring hope and change....no more business as usual...yadda....yadda...yadda;;More business as usual:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918,0,3951633.column?page=1

I cant' wait to hear the party line on this one.

btk

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Time to remove all the R's AND D's AND Business as Usual's. We need people like all of us who are sick and tired of being feed the same old BS. People who have experience living on a balanced budget for 30+ years! I personally have been Taxed Enough Already!