Obama speech (someone had to start it!)

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Allowing him the benefit of any doubt...and assume everything he proposed is passed as proposed...and works as proposed...with benefits raining down on those intended as proposed...

why didn't he do it a year ago?

why didn't he do it when the dems had both houses of congress?

Now the doubt! Because it is time to start campaigning. That is exactly the speech making tone he used when he was wooing the followers during his stump/promise speeches of 2008. I do not believe the same folks will buy the same smoke again.

And when he says it will be 100% paid for....doesn't that have a familiar ring? Sounds exactly like when he said his health care plan was not going to add "one single dime to the deficit"?

What he has earned and going for/against him are the promises and proposed solutions too many times before with no end result.

Yes and this one has the usual Obama urgency....pass this bill right away...just how many times did he say it last night?

Conclusion (for me anyway)...same-oh-same-oh Obama approach...

My measure of him and anybody else in charge....promises kept VS promises made...enough said!!!

btk

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I hear ya. Spending money to save money does not look like the way we fix our budget. However, I would like to see details on how it is paid for that He keep saying. No doubt what he proposes will create a lot of jobs, but again, where is the money to pay for it come from.

He is the best convincing speaker in my life time.

I have one request: Breakdown where the money is coming from i.e.:

1. This Program canceled:
2. This Program reduced:
3. This Program would increase revenue without increasing taxes.


I keep hearing so many promises without any details witch equates to BLA BLA BLA.

I am sick of hidden agenda from both parties.

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I said it before during a crisis the people will buy anything.

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"I keep hearing so many promises without any details witch equates to BLA BLA BLA."

Did it ride in on a broom or did you mean which?

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I was at the square dancing to Rocky and the Rollers.:a040:

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"I keep hearing so many promises without any details witch equates to BLA BLA BLA."

Did it ride in on a broom or did you mean which?
LOL
Problem with spell check is you have TWO spell the word wrong to find it.

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The thing I got out of the speech is what BTK said about his repeating "You got to pass this right away" over and over (was he trying for the Pavlovian effect?). I guess he means like ObamaCare; "don't try to analyze this, just pass it"

He went on about Social Security. Really?; why did he cut $500 Billion from it then?

He never addressed the Free Market Economy. He made little mention about the myriad regulations strangling business growth in this country. He took credit for some small steps toward reform, but then went into his rhetoric about not making Americans choose jobs over safety. Straw man issue; those are not the regulations strangling business. The feds have imposed new regulations and rules making it hard to do business in this country. Everything from guitars to health care to the internet and dozens more.

He mentioned the cost offsets for this program but didn't provide them. He's calling for new federal spending. Yeah, that's worked real well so far, hasn't it.

There's more, but finally the President never mentioned energy exploration as any kind of solution to our nation's troubles. Focusing on this could reduce energy costs, provide jobs and generate hundreds of billions of dollars. What did he do instead? He focused on "tax loopholes" of the energy companies. Good grief!!

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I didn't see the speech. It was my poker night.

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buggyone...whether you won or lost at poker you were ahead!!!!!

btk

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Paid for?

Tax those making $250,000 and above......you know how he said it, so blah blah blah.

Cut it from the Military. The cheap way, by turning it over to that stupid commission, who if cannot come to an agreement, military cuts become automatic.

This president......little "p" is nothing but a script on a teleprompter. If the teleprompter had malfunctioned, we would have seen the real president. Lost!

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I am sure I was.

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Great speech. Now lets pass it and get on with the business of the country.

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Paid for?

Tax those making $250,000 and above......you know how he said it, so blah blah blah.

Cut it from the Military. The cheap way, by turning it over to that stupid commission, who if cannot come to an agreement, military cuts become automatic.

This president......little "p" is nothing but a script on a teleprompter. If the teleprompter had malfunctioned, we would have seen the real president. Lost!
:agree::agree::beer3:

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Of someone dawdling about jobs.

Citing the plight of millions of struggling Americans whose wishes for jobs Obama ignored for most of the 961 days he's been in office while chasing shinier healthcare and financial reforms, Obama said it was time that Congress stop blaming others. He said it was time members take responsibility for their inaction and halt their phony partisan games and political circus acts that pervade Washington culture.

Because the Americans Obama hasn't been listening to are really hurting now. And -- who's....

....counting? -- but it's only 424 days until Nov. 6, 2012. No plan yet to pay for Obama's ideas. But he wants immediate passage of his American Jobs Act anyway.

Read the whole thing here:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/obama-jobs-speech-congress-bad-news-polls-.html

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looking at the speech again here are the people it will help....teachers,police and firemen,construction workers,unemployed,small business,big business and finally most tax payers. Should he have done this earlier,yes,is it political,yes,will it be enough,I dont know. The country needs help desperately and unless some of you have an alternate plan to help all these people stop the nonsense and get out of the way.

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Oh sure, lets try to spend our way out of unemployment. It worked so good the last time. Just keep adding to our deficit. Lets keep adding to our great, great grandchildren's burden.

Forest Gump said it best STUPID IS WHAT STUPID DOES.

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Oh sure, lets try to spend our way out of unemployment. It worked so good the last time. Just keep adding to our deficit. Lets keep adding to our great, great grandchildren's burden.

Forest Gump said it best STUPID IS WHAT STUPID DOES.

Instead of bashing what s the solution? Why d folks in this forum assign blame to a recession? Factors are more complicated that who is in office.

I think they (the past administration and the current) vastly underestimated the depth of the recession. It is a global recession.
We didn't spend enough or was appropriated without stipulations. For example Perry and the Texas legislature used the funds that he didn't want to pay off the state debt. Wasn't he the one hemming and hawing about not taking the money, then changed his mind?

Business needs to invest in America. Middle class spending is the catalyst to growth. Growth is limited when folks live from paycheck to paycheck. If your children have a job ask them when they last had a raise. Wages are stagnant. Some things need to be done on a federal level like building dams, repairing infrastructure, national security, etc..

I prefer this quote :My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." Great movie, especially the music.

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there is that standard village g response. Just bash the bad guy but present no solutions to the problems. Typical.

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there is that standard village g response. Just bash the bad guy but present no solutions to the problems. Typical.

Plenty of solutions. Lift the heavy restrictions of oil drilling. Lift the burdens of excessive taxes. Obama seems to hate business, why, he never had a real job in the private sector. He surrounds himself with Ivy League eggheads who nobody would hire but the government.

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VG,you really don't like smart people do you? Is mediocrity your mantra?

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Some of us still remember when the $750 billion stimulus program was supposed to keep unemployment below 7%...that was year one. Not only did it not work, unemployment rose and stayed there. And there are almost no accounts of where the money went and why did it not work.

A very good solution that continues to not ever make it to the table is to change the tax rates for corporations creating an incentive for them to invest in their facilities here in the USA. Reduce the taxes on profits to be expatriated back to the USA...make it zero. What is there to lose? Nothing because there is nothing being collected on those off shore earnings, being kept off shore to avoid the taxes. What is there to gain? Upwards to trillions of dollars bottled up in off shore investments that could be brought home to be invested in America.

Such an action would be pro big business which this president and administration have proven the are not.

And how about the hypocracy of having Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE who is chairman of a jobs committee reporting directly to Obama. His company paid ZERO taxes in 2010!!!!!!! He is relocating the headquarters and research and development of the medical imaging business to China. Yup classic of the kind of people that Obama surrounds himself with.

The solutions are many...but do not involve the government's heavy involvement. Why should they let the business experts of the country? The WH including Obama, the WH staff, both houses of congress is full to the brim with people who are not qualified to run a lemon aid stand. But they think they should run the country and business....what a joke.

Until such time as American companies return to investing in America, there will only be another bail out....another stimulus...Mark your calendars for one year from today and let's ask ourselves how is the new plan working.
Remember when we spent twice as much as is being proposed...unemployment went up. And it will again unless and until Obama turns pro business.

What happened from the original stimulus to the renewable energy effort?
Nothing. Obama here again is an impediment to one of the largest job growth opportunities in our life time, the end result of which will be hundreds of thousands of jobs created AND reduced dependence on foreign oil.
I say again...the solutions are easy. Now let's hear from the Obama supporter why they think their man is not pursuing the obvious solutions.....and continues to promote.....SPENDING as the answer to everything.
I anxiously await to be enlightened!!

btk

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Instead of bashing what s the solution? Why d folks in this forum assign blame to a recession? Factors are more complicated that who is in office.

I think they (the past administration and the current) vastly underestimated the depth of the recession. It is a global recession.
We didn't spend enough or was appropriated without stipulations. For example Perry and the Texas legislature used the funds that he didn't want to pay off the state debt. Wasn't he the one hemming and hawing about not taking the money, then changed his mind?

Business needs to invest in America. Middle class spending is the catalyst to growth. Growth is limited when folks live from paycheck to paycheck. If your children have a job ask them when they last had a raise. Wages are stagnant. Some things need to be done on a federal level like building dams, repairing infrastructure, national security, etc..

I prefer this quote :My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." Great movie, especially the music.

I think if you look back at my post I pointed to a couple of problems with his speech that included what he "didn't say". Those are some of my suggested solutions that you claim were not presented.

Private business needs to be unleashed. The Free Market needs relief from onerous regulations. That will get the engine running again,

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VG,you really don't like smart people do you? Is mediocrity your mantra?

We need smart people who understand business and are less interested in social engineering. The latter is all he's got.

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VG,you really don't like smart people do you? Is mediocrity your mantra?

I love smart people, all my friends are smart. If you can settle for mediocrity then you must be proud of the regime in the White House.:0000000000luvmyhors

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Plenty of solutions. Lift the heavy restrictions of oil drilling. Lift the burdens of excessive taxes. Obama seems to hate business, why, he never had a real job in the private sector. He surrounds himself with Ivy League eggheads who nobody would hire but the government.

As RR would say, "There you go again.":laugh:
I guess he would be too liberal by today's standards.
I think you are listening to Michelle Bachman sound bytes again. That is your perogative. However....
How about these Ivy League eggheads?
Notice how folks with an education are discredited?
•Shaun Donovan, Harvard, HUD-managing director Prudential Mortgage Capital
•Ken Salazar University of Michigan Interior Secretary-one of the first Hispanic senators, partner with family farm, owned a Dairy Queen
•Steven Chu, UC-Berkley Energy Secretary-headed research lab at AT&T Bell Laboratories, operated a radio station
•Hillary Clinton, Wellesley College, Yale Sec. of State- lawyer
•John Bryson, Stanford, Yale Commerce Secretary nominee-chairman CEO of Edison International
•Eric Holder, Columbia Attorney General-itigation partner at the law firm Covington & Burling
•Lack Lew, Office of Management and Budget-CEO of Citi Global Wealth Management and later Citi Alternative Investments
•Robert Gates, Indiana Univerity, Georgetown former Secretary of State, CIA for sure, president of Texas A&M....
The list goes on. 67% of his 22 cabinet members have private sector /business experience if the definition includes consulting or private legal practice.
Research the sound bytes.

For those who want fewer EPA restrictions I'm sure you can get a great price on property adjacent to the Yellowstone River in Montana.

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Actually, I don’t think Obama even understands why his first stimulus program failed. There is no evidence that he has progressed beyond his mindless “spending equals stimulus” mantra. The man has not the most elementary grasp of economics. He is like a medieval doctor who continues to bleed a dying patient, convinced that he is applying the right remedy, and if he just draws a little more blood the patient will recover. Or, to transition to a different metaphor, he is like a dog who can whistle but only knows one tune; so, no matter what the occasion, the tune he knows is the one you will hear.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/09/more-leeches.php

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Billethkid~ Whatever office you are running for, you've got my vote after reading your solution to bring business back home. It's a win-win.:a040:

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Great speech...Lots of good REPUBLICAN ideas came to the forefront..Oh wait.Obama said it, that means it's no good now...Hi boys see you run this forum too...You certainly get around...

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Great speech...Lots of good REPUBLICAN ideas came to the forefront..Oh wait.Obama said it, that means it's no good now...Hi boys see you run this forum too...You certainly get around...

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Great speech...Lots of good REPUBLICAN ideas came to the forefront..Oh wait.Obama said it, that means it's no good now...Hi boys see you run this forum too...You certainly get around...

I am really concerned about you. Honestly, there must be a help hotline that you can call and somebody will talk to you. We Villagers like to look out for each other. Are you a Villager?

Please, help is just a phone call away.

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You bet I'm a villager..Don't be concerned, I'm fine...I appreciate your concern though...Just pay close attention in the next elections and you will be surprised as to what the real majority of this country thinks, not just your small world..

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You bet I'm a villager..Don't be concerned, I'm fine...I appreciate your concern though...Just pay close attention in the next elections and you will be surprised as to what the real majority of this country thinks, not just your small world..

I am glad that you are all right. Takes a load off my mind. I will pay more attention to this next election. I feel bad that I am in a small world, but I try to expand myself by coming here on the internet and conversing with my betters.
Man, isn't it great to be uplifted to a higher plateau.
Thank-you man.


Now, about this socialist, Obama?

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My pleasure...I hope you've seen the light and it's really OK for you to come on over to the winning side..We are an equal opportunity party..

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My pleasure...I hope you've seen the light and it's really OK for you to come on over to the winning side..We are an equal opportunity party..

What are you going to win? Do you not understand deficits and joblessness? What is wrong with you??????"?

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My pleasure...I hope you've seen the light and it's really OK for you to come on over to the winning side..We are an equal opportunity party..

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village golfer,
what we win is Action...not a do nothing congress with but one agenda item,,,Get him out at any cost..Corporations are sitting on vast sums of money, refusing to invest due to political turmoil, even though they pay for all sides but the republicans are much friendlier..When the elections are over then the usual corporate greed will kick in and work will increase...With a republican it will be overseas, with the dems plan the incentive will be here...Yes I do understand deficits, and I understand how George Bush Squandered billions in SURPLUS so he could "reward " his uber rich cronies and corporations. How he attacked the wrong country and paid the bill throuh defecit spending. Don't even get me started with Cheney and his corrupt government contracts with Halliburton...

By-partisan approval of the jobs act will jumpstart this by letting the corporations know status quo will no longer prevail.The tea party will have none of it..they are sticking to their talking points.Walsh and Bachman would not even attend the speech. Clearly demonstrating to the world we are a divided nation. If that's what you seek, so be it. Roosevelt fought the same battle coming out of the depression and Truman fought the same do nothing congress and guess who won?

A free market is not a free market when anti trust laws are not enforced...When was the last time you saw a gas war like we did as kids?

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village golfer,
what we win is Action...not a do nothing congress with but one agenda item,,,Get him out at any cost..Corporations are sitting on vast sums of money, refusing to invest due to political turmoil, even though they pay for all sides but the republicans are much friendlier..When the elections are over then the usual corporate greed will kick in and work will increase...With a republican it will be overseas, with the dems plan the incentive will be here...Yes I do understand deficits, and I understand how George Bush Squandered billions in SURPLUS so he could "reward " his uber rich cronies and corporations. How he attacked the wrong country and paid the bill throuh defecit spending. Don't even get me started with Cheney and his corrupt government contracts with Halliburton...

By-partisan approval of the jobs act will jumpstart this by letting the corporations know status quo will no longer prevail.The tea party will have none of it..they are sticking to their talking points.Walsh and Bachman would not even attend the speech. Clearly demonstrating to the world we are a divided nation. If that's what you seek, so be it. Roosevelt fought the same battle coming out of the depression and Truman fought the same do nothing congress and guess who won?

A free market is not a free market when anti trust laws are not enforced...When was the last time you saw a gas war like we did as kids?

The "Jobs Bill" isn't even written yet and that's your panacea? Just his words got you all this excited and the bill isn't even written. No one has seen it, yet. Senior White House advisor Valerie Jarrett admits this.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/10/valerie_jarrett_no_jobs_bill_yet_the_president_is_ going_to_draft_the_legislation.html

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Just say no ritchie..Stick to the party mantra..."at any cost"...You showed them

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RR said,
"The "Jobs Bill" isn't even written yet and that's your panacea? Just his words got you all this excited and the bill isn't even written. No one has seen it, yet. Senior White House advisor Valerie Jarrett admits this."
RR
As usual you take a small part of the statements, twist them,and then try a personal attack..So tea partiesh of you...And I guess, by omission, You agree with everything else I said...Your days of bullying this forum are over..I will speak up and others will join..We'll try and not confuse you too much with the true facts.Try to keep up..Now pls go find some news article somewhere and cut/paste it to show your literary might..Why not try just thinking for yourself and interpreting the info, of course you will have to actually read it first, without distorting facts?

BTW legislation is written by the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.

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RR said,
"The "Jobs Bill" isn't even written yet and that's your panacea? Just his words got you all this excited and the bill isn't even written. No one has seen it, yet. Senior White House advisor Valerie Jarrett admits this."
RR
As usual you take a small part of the statements, twist them,and then try a personal attack..So tea partiesh of you...And I guess, by omission, You agree with everything else I said...Your days of bullying this forum are over..I will speak up and others will join..We'll try and not confuse you too much with the true facts.Try to keep up..Now pls go find some news article somewhere and cut/paste it to show your literary might..Why not try just thinking for yourself and interpreting the info, of course you will have to actually read it first, without distorting facts?

BTW legislation is written by the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.

Hey: I am a conservative but I do lean left on certain issues, and I get beat up all the time when I voice a left leaning opinion, so beware, you are entering the forbidden zone with your democratic posts. Just a friendly notice. The 6 pac in here are all folks I would love to have as a next door neighbor, but they will attack like a pride of lions on an antelope so be careful. Read their posts as if you were their friend and you can see they are right a lot of the time, but read them as if they are a right wing extremist and you will see that also.
POINT: Even the Golfer is a proud American and the winner of the first place Trolling Award, so see them as they are and debate their opinions and for your own stress reduction, please don't try to out insult them. YOU WILL FALL SHORT. Even as a conservative, they have had my eyes bugged out and my blood preasure over 160/105 several times.:boxing2:

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Villager 2,
I believe there are left leaning lurkers here..they too will get fed up with the political status quo and refuse to allow these few to hijack this forum to spew their rhetoric..My bp has been off the charts a couple of times,and I definitely realize I'm outnumbered(here)..What I can't comprehend is how a group of "intelligent" folks such as these are,can be so closed minded and single goal oriented to not allow clear thinking...To not see the absolute falacy of their thinking...It's truly frightening that this exists..The far right has done a remarkable job, in Florida ,but they lost in 08 and will do so again in 2012..It's a shame as with a good centrist republican,they could run away with this election, instead the few choose to bully their way to having far right wing, extremists, represent the GOP .What would Lincoln think?

Anyways, I'll try to tone it down but the "gang of six" controlling these forums now will have their hands full..

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Villager 2,
I believe there are left leaning lurkers here..they too will get fed up with the political status quo and refuse to allow these few to hijack this forum to spew their rhetoric..My bp has been off the charts a couple of times,and I definitely realize I'm outnumbered(here)..What I can't comprehend is how a group of "intelligent" folks such as these are,can be so closed minded and single goal oriented to not allow clear thinking...To not see the absolute falacy of their thinking...It's truly frightening that this exists..The far right has done a remarkable job, in Florida ,but they lost in 08 and will do so again in 2012..It's a shame as with a good centrist republican,they could run away with this election, instead the few choose to bully their way to having far right wing, extremists, represent the GOP .What would Lincoln think?

Anyways, I'll try to tone it down but the "gang of six" controlling these forums now will have their hands full..

LOL I feel ya. I have been there and done that. I have left the board late in the day deciding to become a far left democrat just for spite, but by morning, I am back on the double yellow line right down the middle. I guess I am so close to being a centrist, the political wind could blow me to the left or the right with little effort. That said, I do firmly believe we need someone that will bring down the spending spree we have been on for about 6 or 7 years.

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RR said,
"The "Jobs Bill" isn't even written yet and that's your panacea? Just his words got you all this excited and the bill isn't even written. No one has seen it, yet. Senior White House advisor Valerie Jarrett admits this."
RR
As usual you take a small part of the statements, twist them,and then try a personal attack..So tea partiesh of you...And I guess, by omission, You agree with everything else I said...Your days of bullying this forum are over..I will speak up and others will join..We'll try and not confuse you too much with the true facts.Try to keep up..Now pls go find some news article somewhere and cut/paste it to show your literary might..Why not try just thinking for yourself and interpreting the info, of course you will have to actually read it first, without distorting facts?

BTW legislation is written by the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.

I commented on the only part of your post that was important. Without a bill how can you be supporting it. All I can figure is you just swallow anything Obama says, no matter what. Your love for the President is obvious, but I give blind allegiance to no one. I want facts and figures. I guess that's not important to you.

Then again we're treated to another unbalanced diatribe where all you have are insults and hateful speech. You must be a lovely person. All I've seen is unbalanced aggression where the words you use to describe me, describe you to a tee. You will self destruct like all the other "non-thinking insult spewing haters of anyone they disagree with" posters who've appeared and disappeared on this forum.

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Hey: I am a conservative but I do lean left on certain issues, and I get beat up all the time when I voice a left leaning opinion, so beware, you are entering the forbidden zone with your democratic posts. Just a friendly notice. The 6 pac in here are all folks I would love to have as a next door neighbor, but they will attack like a pride of lions on an antelope so be careful. Read their posts as if you were their friend and you can see they are right a lot of the time, but read them as if they are a right wing extremist and you will see that also.
POINT: Even the Golfer is a proud American and the winner of the first place Trolling Award, so see them as they are and debate their opinions and for your own stress reduction, please don't try to out insult them. YOU WILL FALL SHORT. Even as a conservative, they have had my eyes bugged out and my blood preasure over 160/105 several times.:boxing2:

Every day I lose more and more respect for you. You always go to name calling because you are void of reasonable thought or issues. You are nothing here.

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Every day I lose more and more respect for you. You always go to name calling because you are void of reasonable thought or issues. You are nothing here.

LOL :boxing2::eclipsee_gold_cup::1rotfl:

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LOL :boxing2::eclipsee_gold_cup::1rotfl:

I rest my case.;)