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What do think of Gingrich and Cain pres and vise pres or Paul and Cain pres and vise pres. would be interesting to see what people say and dont state different names just the two that I state. Kind of a survey

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I'll take Paul/Cain please. No surprise I'm sure as Paul is much more firmly Pro Life than Gingrich in my opinion.

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I'll take Paul/Cain please. No surprise I'm sure as Paul is much more firmly Pro Life than Gingrich in my opinion.Given all the challenges that face our current President and whoever follows him, why should their beliefs on pro-life or pro-choice be at all meaningful in choosing who will serve in the most powerful political position on the planet?

Personally, given the choices presented, I'd pick Gingrich and Cain. Gingrich has much greater capability and experience in manipulating the Washington "system" and Cain has some awfully good economic ideas which might find their way into legislation. I won't ask and I don't care how either of them feel on the question of pro-life or pro-choice.

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Given all the challenges that face our current President and whoever follows him, why should their beliefs on pro-life or pro-choice be at all meaningful in choosing who will serve in the most powerful political position on the planet?


Because even the most powerful will someday answer to God. Most of what i have read about Him is that He will not bless a nation who does not protect the most innocent life among them. I'm pretty sure we are already feeling the affect of His withholding of the blessings...Not that He is destroying our nation, but I think He could be standing back and allowing us to suffer the consequences of our actions. Like any loving father would do.

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Vise President? How about Vice President? Spelling does count when trying to make a point.

The right choice is President Obama - Vice President Joe Biden.

'Nuff said.

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:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:Vise President? How about Vice President? Spelling does count when trying to make a point.

The right choice is President Obama - Vice President Joe Biden.

'Nuff said.

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Given all the challenges that face our current President and whoever follows him, why should their beliefs on pro-life or pro-choice be at all meaningful in choosing who will serve in the most powerful political position on the planet?

Personally, given the choices presented, I'd pick Gingrich and Cain. Gingrich has much greater capability and experience in manipulating the Washington "system" and Cain has some awfully good economic ideas which might find their way into legislation. I won't ask and I don't care how either of them feel on the question of pro-life or pro-choice.

VK, I fully agree with you on this. I do not expect a 'perfect' candidate - one that agrees with all my beliefs. A friend of mine, Joel Hunter of Northland Church in Orlando, said that as Christians we must look first for competency in our leaders. He has also stated that evangelicals direct too much of their attention below the waistline and too little on dealing with this nation's and the world's crushing problems such as poverty and illiteracy.

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VK, I fully agree with you on this. I do not expect a 'perfect' candidate - one that agrees with all my beliefs. A friend of mine, Joel Hunter of Northland Church in Orlando, said that as Christians we must look first for competency in our leaders. He has also stated that evangelicals direct too much of their attention below the waistline and too little on dealing with this nation's and the world's crushing problems such as poverty and illiteracy.

If you are implying that I expect a perfect candidate, I never said that. I only said pro-life. Not sure what is meant by "below the waist" either. I also think we need a president who deals with crushing problems such as poverty, illiteracy, and disregard for the sanctity of life. Jesus said that we would have the poor with us always, so when we see some one in need and we fullfill that need, we did it as unto Him. As a fellow Christian, I am sure that you can agree.

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Vise President? How about Vice President? Spelling does count when trying to make a point.

The right choice is President Obama - Vice President Joe Biden.

'Nuff said.

You're not even trying anymore, buddy. This is very disappointing.

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Katz: Hypothetically speaking, does that mean you would support the pro-life candidate with (for example) no good jobs plan over a pro-choice candidate who had a viable plan to get us back to 3% unemployment?

[Yes, I have a reason for asking]

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Because even the most powerful will someday answer to God. Most of what i have read about Him is that He will not bless a nation who does not protect the most innocent life among them. I'm pretty sure we are already feeling the affect of His withholding of the blessings...Not that He is destroying our nation, but I think He could be standing back and allowing us to suffer the consequences of our actions. Like any loving father would do.

Let the powerful answer to God then...they don't need you intervening. You are starting to sound like a 9-11 conspiracy theorist in that we brought this on ourselves. OH PLEASE!!

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Well, most of the civilized countries have lived high off the hog for a long time with borrowed money with no real intentions of paying it back. I do believe in Karma and what goes around-comes around. I also believe in what you reap- you sow. I also believe that the rewards of hard work and maybe a little sacrifice, will pay a reward.

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Katz: Hypothetically speaking, does that mean you would support the pro-life candidate with (for example) no good jobs plan over a pro-choice candidate who had a viable plan to get us back to 3% unemployment?

[Yes, I have a reason for asking]

Personally, I think one of our nation's problems is that as a voting electorate, we tend to focus on one particular problem (like "It's the economy, Stupid.") that we expect the President to get under the hood and fix/replace the nuts and bolts, when in reality no single person--even the one in the oval office--has the power and ability to reverse all our specific trends and tasks.

I think we as a whole forget that the President is to be our leader, and his leadership must be visionary leadership.

An effective visionary leader leads his constituents toward a vision.....a vision they may not necessarily see for themselves. (MLK is a great example...his vision of people being judged by the content of their character instead of color.)

An effective visionary leader leads people to a new way of thinking and a mindset that has a goal they did not think possible before. I would say that our current Congress and President are totally resigned to us being unable to get out of debt, and that national bankruptcy is inevitable. To me, that is a kind of slavery that we are being led into, while many others just scream for the politicians to just "Charge it!" and "Print more money!" because they expect more and more for "free". But we who work and know what it is to pay INTEREST on a loan, with little or none of the principle ever being paid down, know that we have little chance of getting out of this kind of slavery of debt.

A true, effective leader must first and foremost be trustworthy and ethical, and trustworthiness begins in the home and in their past jobs as the boss. That's where many of the candidates for prez and veep are lacking and covering up hoping nobody will lift the rug and look.

An example of the kind of leader I want to see is this example below. This is also the type of boss I would love to have had at least once in my life:

"Mitt Romney was faced with a crisis in July 1996. The 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner in Romney's new venture capital firm, Bain Capital, had disappeared. As it turned out, she had attended a rave party in New York City and had become high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was.

Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to try to find Gay's daughter.

Romney set up a command center in a conference room at the LaGuardia Marriott just outside Manhattan. He hired a private detective firm to assist with the search and established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the New York City Police Department, but he still wasn't satisfied. He raced through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York. He asked them to help his company find their friend's missing daughter.

The company's accounting firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and its law firm, put up posters on street poles with a photo of the missing teenager. Cashiers at Duane Reade Pharmacies, which was owned by Bain Capital, put fliers in the bag of each shopper.

Romney and others from the Bain Capital posse trudged through every part of New York, even scouring Central Park, and talked with everyone they could - prostitutes, drug addicts - anyone who may have seen her. They also made rounds at the local nightclubs at 3 a.m., hoping someone somewhere could identify her.

The same day the Romney team came to New York, the hunt made the evening news. Television cameras showed photos of the girl and video of investment banker types prowling through Central Park.

The next day, a teenage boy she was with phoned in. He asked if there was a reward. But the boy got nervous and quickly hung up. Luckily, the police traced the call to a home in Montville Township, N.J.

Gay's daughter, when they found her in the basement of that home, was shivering through detox after a massive dose of ecstasy. Doctors later told Gay that he was indeed fortunate - his daughter probably would not have lasted another day.

"It was the most amazing thing, and I'll never forget this to the day I die," Gay says, adding of Romney's intervention, "I'm not sure we would have gotten her back without him."

It is often during a crisis that we gain insight into a person's real character. Romney's action demonstrated leadership, loyalty, and selflessness - attributes that Americans just might like to see in a president of the United States."

http://archive.newsmax.com/romney/

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Let the powerful answer to God then...they don't need you intervening. You are starting to sound like a 9-11 conspiracy theorist in that we brought this on ourselves. OH PLEASE!!

What I said was in answer to someone elses question. You have taken it completely out of context. I am not intervening on behalf of the powerful nor can I. You attribute to much power to me. thanks but not thanks. You might want to go back and read the question posed to me by Village Kahuna earlier in the thread...