Shooting Ranges/Concealed Weapons Permits

[GeorgeT]

That is something that most living here do not believe. Just look at the little and not so little towns around us. Florida has a huge un-employed number and it is getting worse. TV is one of the only bright spots in the state as far as work goes. The paper is full of crime against persons in the surround area. How long do you think it will take when the handouts stop before we see a raise in crime against persons in TV? Who has money and valuables and who do criminals think will be the least able to protect themselves? I believe to always be prepared for the worst and never have to use it, instead of never being prepared and caught without protection.

I am glad that you only suffered a $15 lose. It could have been much worse if you had not found your missing purse for a few hours.


That's why I keep my CCW permit up to date.

[Posh 08]

That is something that most living here do not believe. Just look at the little and not so little towns around us. Florida has a huge un-employed number and it is getting worse. TV is one of the only bright spots in the state as far as work goes. The paper is full of crime against persons in the surround area. How long do you think it will take when the handouts stop before we see a raise in crime against persons in TV? Who has money and valuables and who do criminals think will be the least able to protect themselves? I believe to always be prepared for the worst and never have to use it, instead of never being prepared and caught without protection.

I am glad that you only suffered a $15 lose. It could have been much worse if you had not found your missing purse for a few hours.

Better judged by 12 than carried by 6

[Figmo Bohica]

GeorgeT, that is good that you keep your CCW up to date, but, there is always a but, isn't there, do you keep up your skill level with what you are carrying? Do you go out at least once every couple months and do some training, not target practice, but training. For you will react to an emergency the same way that you train. If you take your time, take wonderful careful aim, hit the bullseye everytime, you are shoot before you get yours off. To many people get their CCW and never take any training. All they are is another source for criminals to get weapons.

Look into joining an IDPA, http://www.idpa.com or take some classes on self defense then practice what they teach you, otherwise you are just another victim.

Let me tell you a little story. I use to carry everyday, never left the house without my firearm, don't feel the need for that now, but still do keep up the training thru IDPA. Went to a three gun shoot, pistol, shotgun and rifle. I always carry my pistol in a high raise holster on my right hip under my shirt or jacket. Was gonna look cool for this 3 gun shoot, got me a thigh holster, hung right where my hand rested. Could save time, its a timed event, just grab it, draw and start shooting. Musle memory is something that you can't get away from. At the buzzer, where did my hand go for my pistol, you got it, right to where it always was, my right hip. Not only did I do it once, all four stages, did the same thing and that was after going to a safe area and practicing the draw from the thigh. The only thing that would have happened to me in a right life situation, I would have got shoot. End of story.

[GTTPF]

I am moving to the villages as soon as my home is completed. I like to shoot and was an excellent shot with rifle and shotguns, unfortunatly I can only shoot hand guns now and want to improve. Are there any ranges near TV for very large and regular caliper hand guns? Where are they? I am also interested in getting formal training and carry permit(just to have it) Thanks.

[GeorgeT]

GeorgeT, that is good that you keep your CCW up to date, but, there is always a but, isn't there, do you keep up your skill level with what you are carrying? Do you go out at least once every couple months and do some training, not target practice, but training. For you will react to an emergency the same way that you train. If you take your time, take wonderful careful aim, hit the bullseye everytime, you are shoot before you get yours off. To many people get their CCW and never take any training. All they are is another source for criminals to get weapons.

Look into joining an IDPA, http://www.idpa.com or take some classes on self defense then practice what they teach you, otherwise you are just another victim.

Let me tell you a little story. I use to carry everyday, never left the house without my firearm, don't feel the need for that now, but still do keep up the training thru IDPA. Went to a three gun shoot, pistol, shotgun and rifle. I always carry my pistol in a high raise holster on my right hip under my shirt or jacket. Was gonna look cool for this 3 gun shoot, got me a thigh holster, hung right where my hand rested. Could save time, its a timed event, just grab it, draw and start shooting. Musle memory is something that you can't get away from. At the buzzer, where did my hand go for my pistol, you got it, right to where it always was, my right hip. Not only did I do it once, all four stages, did the same thing and that was after going to a safe area and practicing the draw from the thigh. The only thing that would have happened to me in a right life situation, I would have got shoot. End of story.

You're absolutely correct. I do have training and am a pretty good shot but I don't attend on-going training which I should and will. Besides being responsible it's also a lot of fun. I never carry inside TV but I do sometimes when I'm going to an unsavory area outside of TV.

I don't think any amount of training will prepare you enough for the real thing.

[buggyone]

Totally ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages!!! There is no violent crime in The Villages. There are a few isolated thefts of golf bags, purses, etc from golf carts. You planning to shoot someone if you see them taking your golf bag from your cart?

The most recent violent crime was a domestic about 2 years ago when a lady shot her husband while he was taking a shower one morning. Both were retired LEO's and had pistols at home.

Chances are that if you have a pistol at home, the person you shoot will be one of your family members.

I think you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon inside of a restaurant that serves alcohol. You are not allowed to flash your weapon to show you mean business. If I would see either of those happen, I would call 911 so fast and make sure the person is charged with a crime, it would make their head spin. If they flashed the weapon at me, I would sue for all they had.

[dillywho]

Totally ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages!!! There is no violent crime in The Villages. There are a few isolated thefts of golf bags, purses, etc from golf carts. You planning to shoot someone if you see them taking your golf bag from your cart?

The most recent violent crime was a domestic about 2 years ago when a lady shot her husband while he was taking a shower one morning. Both were retired LEO's and had pistols at home.

Chances are that if you have a pistol at home, the person you shoot will be one of your family members.

I think you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon inside of a restaurant that serves alcohol. You are not allowed to flash your weapon to show you mean business. If I would see either of those happen, I would call 911 so fast and make sure the person is charged with a crime, it would make their head spin. If they flashed the weapon at me, I would sue for all they had.

You would not need to sue if someone "flashed" their weapon at you. Anyone who has a concealed carry permit knows the penalty for such action. This is stressed emphatically during the classes. The rules governing concealed carry are very stringent.....very.

As to no violent crime here, there have been isolated incidents. Is it rampant here? No, but it does occur and as another poster pointed out, it may well get worse. Remember, TV is made up of a number of aging people and are viewed by some as easy targets. One couple was accosted here several years ago as they were returning home one evening and some others were threatened. (The baddies were caught, as best I remember.) Another, a woman was killed and her husband almost killed ("friends" of their daughter who let them in). The daughter's father last I heard will still have nothing to do with her.

I no longer have a gun or a permit but still remember the rules/laws. Right now, I see no need, but I do have an alarm. This is not a gated community (even they have problems, tho) and we are vulnerable. Vigligence is always in order. If you see something that just doesn't look right to you, call law enforcement. They won't have a problem with your doing so.

[billethkid]

Responsible permitted persons who carry know the rules and would not ever even consider "flashing" a gun...that is for the illegal and the movies.

Where one lives does not determine whether to carry or not....just like it does not matter where you live to determine whether to have home insurance or car insurance. You have these insurances hoping you will never have to use them. EXACTLY the same reasons some of us have concealed weapons permits.

To each his own but the demonization of guns in general is based on the media and the make believe, over dramatized situations in the movies and television is totally inaccurate measured against reality.

Guns do not kill people...people kill people. And guns are responsible for killing like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!

btk

[GeorgeT]

Totally ridiculous to carry a pistol in The Villages!!! There is no violent crime in The Villages. There are a few isolated thefts of golf bags, purses, etc from golf carts. You planning to shoot someone if you see them taking your golf bag from your cart?

The most recent violent crime was a domestic about 2 years ago when a lady shot her husband while he was taking a shower one morning. Both were retired LEO's and had pistols at home.

Chances are that if you have a pistol at home, the person you shoot will be one of your family members.

I think you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon inside of a restaurant that serves alcohol. You are not allowed to flash your weapon to show you mean business. If I would see either of those happen, I would call 911 so fast and make sure the person is charged with a crime, it would make their head spin. If they flashed the weapon at me, I would sue for all they had.

Did you even read my post before you sounded off or are you just venting?
Furthermore, your statement about shooting a family member is what is ridiculous. You are generalizing based on what? Never mind, you are already convinced that fire arms should be banned so I won't argue with you. Why waste my time.

[GeorgeT]

You would not need to sue if someone "flashed" their weapon at you. Anyone who has a concealed carry permit knows the penalty for such action. This is stressed emphatically during the classes. The rules governing concealed carry are very stringent.....very.

As to no violent crime here, there have been isolated incidents. Is it rampant here? No, but it does occur and as another poster pointed out, it may well get worse. Remember, TV is made up of a number of aging people and are viewed by some as easy targets. One couple was accosted here several years ago as they were returning home one evening and some others were threatened. (The baddies were caught, as best I remember.) Another, a woman was killed and her husband almost killed ("friends" of their daughter who let them in). The daughter's father last I heard will still have nothing to do with her.

I no longer have a gun or a permit but still remember the rules/laws. Right now, I see no need, but I do have an alarm. This is not a gated community (even they have problems, tho) and we are vulnerable. Vigligence is always in order. If you see something that just doesn't look right to you, call law enforcement. They won't have a problem with your doing so.

Yes I totally agree.

[GeorgeT]

Responsible permitted persons who carry know the rules and would not ever even consider "flashing" a gun...that is for the illegal and the movies.

Where one lives does not determine whether to carry or not....just like it does not matter where you live to determine whether to have home insurance or car insurance. You have these insurances hoping you will never have to use them. EXACTLY the same reasons some of us have concealed weapons permits.

To each his own but the demonization of guns in general is based on the media and the make believe, over dramatized situations in the movies and television is totally inaccurate measured against reality.

Guns do not kill people...people kill people. And guns are responsible for killing like erasers on pencils are responsible for misspelled words!!!!!!

btk

Yes I totally agree.

[Posh 08]

It's sad that those sitting around singing koombaya actually will want someone with a gun to protect them if the need arises.

[BigLew]

Theft at Driving Range....... WOW! Did this thread get Mugged & Hijacked.

shot in the thread ! :police::a040:

[ladydoc]

It's sad that those sitting around singing koombaya actually will want someone with a gun to protect them if the need arises.

Absolutely! Our neighbor in NM hated guns and always teased hubby about his shooting. Well, when she spotted a rattler between her house and the laundry room, who did you think she called and asked to come up the hill WITH his gun?

[villagegolfer]

Did you even read my post before you sounded off or are you just venting?
Furthermore, your statement about shooting a family member is what is ridiculous. You are generalizing based on what? Never mind, you are already convinced that fire arms should be banned so I won't argue with you. Why waste my time.

Why read your post when the answer was just standard talking points. Did anybody stop to think that just having the reputation around the Villages that geezers carry- is enough to be a deterrent to crime?

[Figmo Bohica]

Within the past year Florida passed an Open Carry Lite Law. Florida is NOT an open carry state, but those that have CWL can carry concealed, of course. What was happening is people where calling the police if they saw the weapon print or if the barrel showed under your jacket or shirt or if by chance the wind should blow open your shirt or jacket and someone saw your firearm. The Lite Law took care of that problem. It is still a major crime and will get you in major trouble if you flash your firearm for no other reason that to scare someone. Most likely anyone doing that would NOT be a CWL holder and if they are then their CWL should be revoked post hast with appropriate legal action taken against them.

Florida CWL is not only for firearms. You can carry any weapon concealed, tazer, pepper spray, knife, etc as well as a firearm.

If you carry into an establishment that serves liquor you are not allowed to consume any. If you do and are caught you can and will be proscuted for that offense. It is against the law and your CWL will be revoked.

Everyone thinks that it is so safe here in TV. It is safer here than say downtown Orlando at night. But don't think that bad things can not happen here. Look around at all the small town and large cities around us. Unemployment is high, no jobs, lots of drugs etc. Do not believe that for one minute that when the government handouts stop and food/gas prices go up, that we won't become prime targets. We are old, we have money and things. So don't live in a bubble, don't be scared but take necessary precautions to protect yourself and your loved ones. Learning how to shoot and protect yourself is the same as having auto insurance and home owners insurance. It something that I have that I hope that I will never have to use.

[JimJoe]

I do not have nor want a CCW permit. I am prepared to defend my home.
JJ

[Longrider49]

I have a permit and carry for two simple reasons: I refuse to let myself or my family be helpless vicitms and I refuse to live in fear! It is my right as an american to own firearms. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is so difficult to understand?

[buggyone]

Longrider,

I said I think it is ridiculous to carry a concealed weapon in The Villages. I, personally, think that a handgun at home is stupid but you can do that if you want.

Do you live in The Villages? If so, please tell me how you and your family are helpless victims and how is it that you would live in fear? This is the safest community you can imagine. Women walk safely at 5 a.m. around the streets.

The only violent crime I have heard of in the past 2 years was a lady who shot her husband in the shower. Retired police officers, both of them. Pistol in the house. Opportunity reared it's head when the woman snapped.

Figmo thinks we are very potential targets when the government entitlements are suspended for the surrounding towns. Ladydoc talks about having handguns for shooting rattlesnakes in New Mexico. Both are NOT reasons for handguns but having one in your home is your problem - not mine.

My message is that it is totally ridiculous to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages. If you feel good about having one at home - go ahead. No reason at all for carrying one when out in public in The Villages.

[Vinny]

I know lots of people who thought it would never happen to them until it did. I carry every where because once I leave my house I can end up any where in or out of TV. Has happened many times. Why do I carry all the time you may ask? For the same reason that I buckle up in my car. If I knew when I would be in a car accident I would not drive that day. I carry all the time because if I do not I fall out of the habit or forget my gun when I might need it. I carry because it is my constitutional right to do so. I carry so that those who think guns are evil or unnecessary are a liitle safer when criminals cannot be certain that all their victims are unable to protect themselves. I carry to protect myself, family and those around me. I carry because a criminals do not wait for the cops to arrive.

I have yet to meet an anti gun person willing to put a sign on their lawn stating that they are a proud gun free home. I carry because I would be devastated if anything happened to my family because I was not able to protect them. I carry because I am a man who will not become a defenseless victim. I carry because I do know about guns and can separate the BS from the truth and know that before guns millions died by being hacked to death by swords. I am not naive enough to believe that crime will decrease by preventing good people from owning guns. I also know that criminals do not obey laws so passing even more anti gun laws only affects the good guys.

I carry because no one can assure me that if I surrended my guns the criminals would do likewise. It has been estimated that there are enough guns in the US to give 3 to every person. With so many guns out there, no law is going to do much as that ship has sailed a long time ago. I carry because I know that crime has decreased in States when they allowed their citizens to carry guns. I carry because attacks on tourist and the elderly got so bad that Florida had to do something to allow its elderly citizens to protect themselves and passed a law allowing us to carry and stand our ground and protect our homes. Last but not least I carry because it omce saved me from violence in an area that I considered safe and recently discouraged some young man with his hand on a gun I saw in his pocket from robbing a store right here in TV on 441. If you rely on the Daily Sun to let you know what goes on in TV then you are only partially informed. Hang around gun stores and hear from TV residents why they buy guns. Their stories never make the Daily Sun for various reasons. Sometimes it is merely residents who felt threatened and never reported it or like me, finding a worker in my back yard which has a wall around it, who said he just wanted water even though I had a hose in plain sight in front of my house. Perhaps those of us from urban areas know the dangers and evil out there while others have never been exposed to what can happen to good people and know little of guns but since they do not want them feel that we should not either. It is funny how people so easily allow the government to take away rights or pass restrictive laws when it does not affect them but it is a different story when it affects them. Sure I want no guns and the end of wars and peace on earth but I am not that naive to think it is going to happen in my life time.

[villagegolfer]

An armed society is a polite society.

[GeorgeT]

An armed society is a polite society.

And to complete that quote "Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

[Figmo Bohica]

Myth: Guns are not effective in preventing crime against women

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact: The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller at 1.4 times more likely to receive a serious injury.

Fact: 28.5% of women have a gun in the house.

Fact: 41.7% of women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact: In 1966, the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms training classes to women. Rapes dropped by nearly 90% the following year. ABC News, July 17, 2001

For the complete story please visit Gun Facts Version 5.0
Copyright 2008, Guy Smith www.GunFacts.info and see why we must all protect our 2d Amendment rights.

Further criminals call "Gun Free Zones" target rich environments, for only law abiding citizens will not have a weapon in these area. Criminals don't care and will bring whatever they need into these zones to do whatever criminal activity they want to engage in.

[buggyone]

Before Vinny edited his post last night, he had in it a reason he carries a weapon is because last Christmas time in The Villages a man flashed a concealed gun to get a parking space. The man had a permit and he still did that! He got arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon. He would have been a lot better off if he had not been packing heat!

The shooting 2 years ago was a retired police officer who had a pistol at home and shot her husband. No gun, no shooting - maybe a knife, but who knows?

As I said, if I ever see a person in a bar in The Villages having a drink and they have a pistol concealed, I am calling 911 right away. If I ever see a pistol when someone is talking with me and I feel threatened, I am calling 911.

'Nuff said.

[Figmo Bohica]

buggyone, if you see a pistol and no one has threatened you with it and you call 911, if it is me, I will own everything you have. You had better read the Florida Open Carry Law very carefuly before picking up your phone. Just because it shows does not mean that you have been threatened. I guess that you would have a heart attack in an open carry state like New Mexico where lots of folks carried it out in the open while shopping.

The person who flashed his gun to get a parking space needed to be arrested and charged and quite possibly do a little jail time for threatening someone with a firearm plus answer to a civil law suit. This person should have never been issued a CCW in the first place. When I was an instructor there were several people that I gave the class to that I would not certify as completing the training until they took more classes on safe gun handling and a class on the carry laws.

The person that flashed his firearm could have been shoot if he would have done that to an off duty police officer or someone who had been in law enforcement and is now retired. Because in real life, when an officer sees or hears someone yell "gun" someone is going to get shoot. The man who did that is way behond stupid.

Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to:
avoidance,
deterrence,
and de-escalation.

Now 'Nuff said.

[dillywho]

buggyone, if you see a pistol and no one has threatened you with it and you call 911, if it is me, I will own everything you have. You had better read the Florida Open Carry Law very carefuly before picking up your phone. Just because it shows does not mean that you have been threatened. I guess that you would have a heart attack in an open carry state like New Mexico where lots of folks carried it out in the open while shopping.

The person who flashed his gun to get a parking space needed to be arrested and charged and quite possibly do a little jail time for threatening someone with a firearm plus answer to a civil law suit. This person should have never been issued a CCW in the first place. When I was an instructor there were several people that I gave the class to that I would not certify as completing the training until they took more classes on safe gun handling and a class on the carry laws.

The person that flashed his firearm could have been shoot if he would have done that to an off duty police officer or someone who had been in law enforcement and is now retired. Because in real life, when an officer sees or hears someone yell "gun" someone is going to get shoot. The man who did that is way behond stupid.

Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to:
avoidance,
deterrence,
and de-escalation.

Now 'Nuff said.

Well said.

[dillywho]

I know lots of people who thought it would never happen to them until it did. I carry every where because once I leave my house I can end up any where in or out of TV. Has happened many times. Why do I carry all the time you may ask? For the same reason that I buckle up in my car. If I knew when I would be in a car accident I would not drive that day. I carry all the time because if I do not I fall out of the habit or forget my gun when I might need it. I carry because it is my constitutional right to do so. I carry so that those who think guns are evil or unnecessary are a liitle safer when criminals cannot be certain that all their victims are unable to protect themselves. I carry to protect myself, family and those around me. I carry because a criminals do not wait for the cops to arrive.

I have yet to meet an anti gun person willing to put a sign on their lawn stating that they are a proud gun free home. I carry because I would be devastated if anything happened to my family because I was not able to protect them. I carry because I am a man who will not become a defenseless victim. I carry because I do know about guns and can separate the BS from the truth and know that before guns millions died by being hacked to death by swords. I am not naive enough to believe that crime will decrease by preventing good people from owning guns. I also know that criminals do not obey laws so passing even more anti gun laws only affects the good guys.

I carry because no one can assure me that if I surrended my guns the criminals would do likewise. It has been estimated that there are enough guns in the US to give 3 to every person. With so many guns out there, no law is going to do much as that ship has sailed a long time ago. I carry because I know that crime has decreased in States when they allowed their citizens to carry guns. I carry because attacks on tourist and the elderly got so bad that Florida had to do something to allow its elderly citizens to protect themselves and passed a law allowing us to carry and stand our ground and protect our homes. Last but not least I carry because it omce saved me from violence in an area that I considered safe and recently discouraged some young man with his hand on a gun I saw in his pocket from robbing a store right here in TV on 441. If you rely on the Daily Sun to let you know what goes on in TV then you are only partially informed. Hang around gun stores and hear from TV residents why they buy guns. Their stories never make the Daily Sun for various reasons. Sometimes it is merely residents who felt threatened and never reported it or like me, finding a worker in my back yard which has a wall around it, who said he just wanted water even though I had a hose in plain sight in front of my house. Perhaps those of us from urban areas know the dangers and evil out there while others have never been exposed to what can happen to good people and know little of guns but since they do not want them feel that we should not either. It is funny how people so easily allow the government to take away rights or pass restrictive laws when it does not affect them but it is a different story when it affects them. Sure I want no guns and the end of wars and peace on earth but I am not that naive to think it is going to happen in my life time.

Well thought out and well stated. Thanks.

[villagegolfer]

buggyone, if you see a pistol and no one has threatened you with it and you call 911, if it is me, I will own everything you have. You had better read the Florida Open Carry Law very carefuly before picking up your phone. Just because it shows does not mean that you have been threatened. I guess that you would have a heart attack in an open carry state like New Mexico where lots of folks carried it out in the open while shopping.

The person who flashed his gun to get a parking space needed to be arrested and charged and quite possibly do a little jail time for threatening someone with a firearm plus answer to a civil law suit. This person should have never been issued a CCW in the first place. When I was an instructor there were several people that I gave the class to that I would not certify as completing the training until they took more classes on safe gun handling and a class on the carry laws.

The person that flashed his firearm could have been shoot if he would have done that to an off duty police officer or someone who had been in law enforcement and is now retired. Because in real life, when an officer sees or hears someone yell "gun" someone is going to get shoot. The man who did that is way behond stupid.

Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to:
avoidance,
deterrence,
and de-escalation.

Now 'Nuff said.

:agree:

[bimmertl]

Why read your post when the answer was just standard talking points. Did anybody stop to think that just having the reputation around the Villages that geezers carry- is enough to be a deterrent to crime?

It's reassuring to know that arthritic, hearing and vision impaired individuals with slowed reflexes are armed and among us.

I only used to be concerned with the bad drivers. Oh well.

[Figmo Bohica]

It's reassuring to know that arthritic, hearing and vision impaired individuals with slowed reflexes are armed and among us.

I only used to be concerned with the bad drivers. Oh well.

From what I have seen you have a better chance of getting run over by arthritic, hearing and vision impaired individuals with slowed reflexes, or maybe by one of the contractors who is in a hurry than anything else happening to you. So I would not worry.

[villagegolfer]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44690575/ns/today-today_people/t/chicks-guns-some-million-us-women-pack-heat#


Some 15 million US women pack heat.

Buy the book here:

http://www.amazon.com/Chicks-Guns-Lindsay-McCrum/dp/0865652759?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1317262064&sr=1-1&_encoding=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325

[Wing-nut2]

I've been a firearms instructor at The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center since 1998. Before that in the U. S. Air Force.

We have a house in TV and will be retiring next December. I plan on getting a Florida Instructor Permit when I get there. I'll get to shoot and teach others to shoot and maybe make a few $$ on th side.

Shooting is a skill that you need to keep up. I'll be the first to tell you some people shouldn't have guns. I see it everyday with our students. But, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. So sometimes you need to take care of yourself.

I would like to know if there are any ranges in the area, a gun club maybe? I'd really like a range with a 100 to 500 yard rifle range, but I'm sure that's too much to hope for. I'll take a 100 yard rifle and 25 yard pistol range. Anyone know of anything?

Jim

[Figmo Bohica]

Villagegolfer, ladies are the easiest one to teach to shoot. They "listen" and don't have the DA gene that most guys have. Besides most of them can out shoot most men after a few lessons.

[quirky3]

It's reassuring to know that arthritic, hearing and vision impaired individuals with slowed reflexes are armed and among us.

I only used to be concerned with the bad drivers. Oh well.
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Figmo Bohica]

Want a way to carry concealed and no one will every know. This is one of the best concealed methods that I have found and I have seen lots of them.

http://www.tommysgunpack.com/

Ladies, these also come in designer colors. My wife has one in pink, blue, green, black and purple, made especially for her my Tommy.

[paulandjean]

Time to move on,this is getting old.

[GeorgeT]

It's reassuring to know that arthritic, hearing and vision impaired individuals with slowed reflexes are armed and among us.

I only used to be concerned with the bad drivers. Oh well.

That's funny, but I'd still be way, way more concerned at being killed by a car.
In fact, I not concerned about being killed by a bullet at all. You've probably got a better chance at winning the lottery.

[buggyone]

To show how ***MOD CUT*** the Florida concealed pistol permit is and how easy it is to obtain: A friend of ours in The Villages has her mom and dad living in The Villages, too. Her mom (85 years old) got her concealed pistol permit a few weeks ago so she is packing heat in public in The Villages. The dad (91 years old) has been confined to a wheelchair for many years. Even at home, he keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair. Both the mom and dad are proud of the fact they have a pistol within arms reach in every room in the house.

Once again, the usual persons that get hurt by a pistol at home are family members. It is your right but it is ridiculous to do. No one is welcome at my home if they are carrying a pistol.

[GeorgeT]

To show how ***MOD CUT*** the Florida concealed pistol permit is and how easy it is to obtain: A friend of ours in The Villages has her mom and dad living in The Villages, too. Her mom (85 years old) got her concealed pistol permit a few weeks ago so she is packing heat in public in The Villages. The dad (91 years old) has been confined to a wheelchair for many years. Even at home, he keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair. Both the mom and dad are proud of the fact they have a pistol within arms reach in every room in the house.

Once again, the usual persons that get hurt by a pistol at home are family members. It is your right but it is ridiculous to do. No one is welcome at my home if they are carrying a pistol.

***MOD CUT***

Did you know that in Vermont there are no gun laws, except for the usual federal restrictions, and it's got one of the lowest, if not the lowest crime rates in the country?

Three cheers for the Mom and Pop of your story.

How many 90 year old's still drive and shouldn't. I'd still be way more worried about them then ma and pa barker.

[BigLew]

I have a permit and carry for two simple reasons: I refuse to let myself or my family be helpless vicitms and I refuse to live in fear! It is my right as an american to own firearms. What part of "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is so difficult to understand?

and I thought that was to allow rednecks to wear tank tops! :a040:

[BigLew]

I've been a firearms instructor at The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center since 1998. Before that in the U. S. Air Force.

We have a house in TV and will be retiring next December. I plan on getting a Florida Instructor Permit when I get there. I'll get to shoot and teach others to shoot and maybe make a few $$ on th side.

Shooting is a skill that you need to keep up. I'll be the first to tell you some people shouldn't have guns. I see it everyday with our students. But, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. So sometimes you need to take care of yourself.

I would like to know if there are any ranges in the area, a gun club maybe? I'd really like a range with a 100 to 500 yard rifle range, but I'm sure that's too much to hope for. I'll take a 100 yard rifle and 25 yard pistol range. Anyone know of anything?

Jim

on rt 44 just south of the villages, its called simply 'The Gun Shop and Gun Range'....catchy name! both handgun and rifle, indoor

[tpop1]

Don't own a gun,
Don't plan to get one,
Would never force you to get one,

BUT......

I feel reassured that if at some point I feel I need to get one,
I have that right!!!

Thanks to the protectors of my rights!
_

[GeorgeT]

Don't own a gun,
Don't plan to get one,
Would never force you to get one,

BUT......

I feel reassured that if at some point I feel I need to get one,
I have that right!!!

Thanks to the protectors of my rights!
_

Rights On!

[GeorgeT]

and I thought that was to allow rednecks to wear tank tops! :a040:

That's a good one!!!! Larry The Cable Guy came to mind immediately......

[Shimpy]

Gun threads always get big response. If you don't want one don't buy one. But don't tell those that do that you are right and they are wrong. What makes you an expert? Did you read a few newspapers? I think golf is silly, but I'm wasting my time telling most Villagers that they shouldn't golf, and why should I. What the hell do I care if they play golf? What the hell do you care if I chose to protect myself and my wife.

"It's better to own a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it"

[buggyone]

Shrimpy says, "It's better to own a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."

Well, Shrimpy, do you think it was better that the lady ex-police officer had a gun in the house when she mentally snapped and shot her husband while he was taking a shower? This happened just about 2 years ago in The Villages. There was a several hour standoff before she surrendered. She is now in prison.

[Figmo Bohica]

Let's see buggyone, one shooting in the Villages since it has been established XXXX amount of years ago. There are more than that in New York City in one day and New York City/State have some of the strickest gun laws in the nation. Time to stop harping on the one shooting. No one will change your mind about guns, you are scared and will stay that way until you need someone to come protect you. Did you know that police officers have killed more innocent people in accidental shootings than CCW holders. Check the facts, get educated, I know that you believe in gun control, just change that to people control, just ask Stalin, Hitler and a few other of the dictators around the world how well gun control works for their citizens. Are you starting to get the picture yet? Just wondering.

[Longrider49]

Longrider,

I said I think it is ridiculous to carry a concealed weapon in The Villages. I, personally, think that a handgun at home is stupid but you can do that if you want.

Do you live in The Villages? If so, please tell me how you and your family are helpless victims and how is it that you would live in fear? This is the safest community you can imagine. Women walk safely at 5 a.m. around the streets.

The only violent crime I have heard of in the past 2 years was a lady who shot her husband in the shower. Retired police officers, both of them. Pistol in the house. Opportunity reared it's head when the woman snapped.

Figmo thinks we are very potential targets when the government entitlements are suspended for the surrounding towns. Ladydoc talks about having handguns for shooting rattlesnakes in New Mexico. Both are NOT reasons for handguns but having one in your home is your problem - not mine.

My message is that it is totally ridiculous to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages. If you feel good about having one at home - go ahead. No reason at all for carrying one when out in public in The Villages.

I have a home in TV and one up north. I travel a good bit. You are deluding yourself if you think you are always in a safe area. But perhaps the real issue for you is guns in general, you are opposed to them so you support arguments that say you are less safe in your home if you have a gun etc. etc. NRA has run a column for as long as I can remember (50 years plus) that give real world examples of those that have saved the lives of themselves and their families by use of a firearm. I know that nothing I say will convince you to change your mind so I won't bore you anymore except to remind you that it is my right. You may want to consider that without the second amendment there would be no other rights.

[villagegolfer]

Let's see buggyone, one shooting in the Villages since it has been established XXXX amount of years ago. There are more than that in New York City in one day and New York City/State have some of the strickest gun laws in the nation. Time to stop harping on the one shooting. No one will change your mind about guns, you are scared and will stay that way until you need someone to come protect you. Did you know that police officers have killed more innocent people in accidental shootings than CCW holders. Check the facts, get educated, I know that you believe in gun control, just change that to people control, just ask Stalin, Hitler and a few other of the dictators around the world how well gun control works for their citizens. Are you starting to get the picture yet? Just wondering.

Right on bro, the meek at heart are always against defense and protection until their skinny little necks are in jeopardy .
.

[buggyone]

Figmo,

You are a former military man. Therefore, I quote Col. Sherman T. Potter, "Meadow Muffins".

Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen. You have never lived in a safer place than The Villages. You are not on the Mexican border anymore with drug smugglers and rattlesnakes all around you just itching to smoke or bite you.

Take a chill pill and learn how to relax in this wonderful environment without strapping on your Tex Western gear.

'Nuff said. I am done with this topic.

[GeorgeT]

Figmo,

You are a former military man. Therefore, I quote Col. Sherman T. Potter, "Meadow Muffins".

Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen. You have never lived in a safer place than The Villages. You are not on the Mexican border anymore with drug smugglers and rattlesnakes all around you just itching to smoke or bite you.

Take a chill pill and learn how to relax in this wonderful environment without strapping on your Tex Western gear.

'Nuff said. I am done with this topic.

I believe Vermont is a safer place than TV. I reiterate, there basically are no gun laws in Vermont. That's why it is safe. The bad guys have to assume that everybody has a gun. Anyway, I'm glad you're done with this topic because you're adding nothing but "Meadow Muffins" to it. buggygone!

[Fourpar]

Well put, George T

[villagegolfer]

Figmo,

You are a former military man. Therefore, I quote Col. Sherman T. Potter, "Meadow Muffins".

Conspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen. You have never lived in a safer place than The Villages. You are not on the Mexican border anymore with drug smugglers and rattlesnakes all around you just itching to smoke or bite you.

Take a chill pill and learn how to relax in this wonderful environment without strapping on your Tex Western gear.

'Nuff said. I am done with this topic.
I wish.

[buggyone]

GeorgeT says he believes Vermont is a lot safer than The Villages. I challenge you, GeorgeT, to find a community in Vermont with a similar population to The Villages (approx. 65,000) with the same or lower violent crime rate according to FBI statistics.

Also, the reason I keep coming back to the female former police officer shooting her husband is that I do not know anymore recent violent crime in The Villages. If you know of any other, let me know.

I am not talking of Wildwood, Lady Lake, Fruitland Park, Leesburg, but in The Villages.

I also am not talking of keeping a handgun in your home. I am saying it is ridiculous to carry a concealed handgun while in The VIllages.

[CMANN]

To show how retarded the Florida concealed pistol permit is and how easy it is to obtain: A friend of ours in The Villages has her mom and dad living in The Villages, too. Her mom (85 years old) got her concealed pistol permit a few weeks ago so she is packing heat in public in The Villages. The dad (91 years old) has been confined to a wheelchair for many years. Even at home, he keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair. Both the mom and dad are proud of the fact they have a pistol within arms reach in every room in the house.

Once again, the usual persons that get hurt by a pistol at home are family members. It is your right but it is ridiculous to do. No one is welcome at my home if they are carrying a pistol.

once again you show your ignorance. What does someone's age have to do with whether they should prepare themselves. In order to get their Florida permits they had to meet certain requirements and undergo certain training. They had to show at least a minimum proficiency.

You would take the guns away that something happened you would probably look up reading your hands and say isn't that a shame.

I'm sure that nobody with any gun would want to visit you in the first place and if they did they wouldn't tell you they were carrying a gun.


A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

[CMANN]

Gun threads always get big response. If you don't want one don't buy one. But don't tell those that do that you are right and they are wrong. What makes you an expert? Did you read a few newspapers? I think golf is silly, but I'm wasting my time telling most Villagers that they shouldn't golf, and why should I. What the hell do I care if they play golf? What the hell do you care if I chose to protect myself and my wife.

"It's better to own a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it"

what makes him think he is an expert is that he is a progressive. Progressive believe that they know everything about everything that we should have. If they don't know about it or don't have an opinion about it we definitely shouldn't have it. If they do know about it and have an opinion about it than we definitely shouldn't have.

This may not make sense to you but I believe that it makes sense to them, progressives that is.

. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

[Figmo Bohica]

buggyone, to further educate you and inform you, TEXAS does not allow open carry. Can you believe that!!!!! Texas did for many years then changed their law to only allow concealed carry. There is a movement a foot to change it back to open carry but does not have a lot of political support so might not happen for a while. So I guess I can't strap on my Tex Western gear and take a chill pill, see I don't need one, but I would suggest that you take several.

Personally I don't like open carry. If you are not using the correct retention holster your firearm can be taken away from you. Just try taking a police officers pistol out of his holster, you are likely to remove his belt and pants before getting the weapon out of his holster. Besides, why would I want bad guys to know that I am armed. Best to just keep it secret, that is why its called concealed carry. Just my personal opinion, but where legal to carry open and if you decide you want to, its all right with me.

[GeorgeT]

GeorgeT says he believes Vermont is a lot safer than The Villages. I challenge you, GeorgeT, to find a community in Vermont with a similar population to The Villages (approx. 65,000) with the same or lower violent crime rate according to FBI statistics.

Also, the reason I keep coming back to the female former police officer shooting her husband is that I do not know anymore recent violent crime in The Villages. If you know of any other, let me know.

I am not talking of Wildwood, Lady Lake, Fruitland Park, Leesburg, but in The Villages.

I also am not talking of keeping a handgun in your home. I am saying it is ridiculous to carry a concealed handgun while in The VIllages.

I didn't say a lot safer I said safer. Oh wait, you said in a previous post that you were done with this subject. Is this from another buggygone?

[buggyone]

No, GeorgeT, it is the same buggyone. If you said that Vermont is "safer" than The Villages instead of "a lot safer", that is fine with me. I still challenge you to find a similar sized Vermont community (around 65,000) with the same or a lower FBI violent crime statistic than The Villages

Once again, I am not talking surrounding areas to The Villages.

Thank you.

[ladydoc]

Not that I suggest this is a offense that would justify a shooting (just in case anyone misunderstands this post) we recently had an incident on our block where someone went into a neighbor's yard and stole her brass nozzles and fittings. Why, who knows? They also tried to remove the electrical surge protector on the meter. That is not a good thing. This neighbor is not home all day, so we are not sure that made a difference.

[USSGompers]

My ex shot me with a .38 and I spent 6 months in the hospital. He backed me in a corner. I was only 20 years old and lucky to be alive. Since then I have become very familiar with guns and have much respect for them. I am not afraid or cowering in a corner.

While living in Orlando and working for Pizza Hut, I was violently robbed twice. One gunman cocked the revolver back as it was pointed to my head. Since then I have gotten my CWL. I will not be a victim any longer. The bad people are out there, especially during the holidays. I remember what my boss told us at Pizza Hut, "Watch your back. Robbers have kids that need presents, too".

My hubby and I have several guns in our home, ready to go. I will not flash my gun to get a parking spot but if you jump me, I feel better being able to protect myself.

We both got our licenses at the gun range on State Road 44. They have classes there, usually monthly.

[buggyone]

Very strange to say the least, Ladydoc. It would take an awful lot of brass nozzles to be worth anything as scrap metal.

[Jack88]

I am not a talker so I do not post on forums; except this one and this topic. I am a resident of The Villages and I have a CWFL. I have read 7 pages of threats and insults to residents who choose to carry concealed. We will carry to protect ourselves and our families and also the "I'll turn you in so fast it will make your head spin" people. Two words come to mind 'home invasion'. Current court trial just ended in Cheshire, Connecticut. Great and safe neighborhood. Wife, two daughters dead. It doesn't take much for two or three down and out losers to plan a 'bust in the front door' just to rob the people at home and then have that escalate into something much more horrific. My outside storm/screen door is locked morning, afternoon and night. If the bell rings, I answer the door armed. Most homes in TV do not have outer doors. Very easy to push their way in and take control of you and your home. I refuse to be a victim or let my wife be a victim of some loser (s) out on a crime spree. For those of you who do not care for guns, that is your prerogative. Just keep in mind that concealed carry residents are the GG's not the BG's. We have had our training, we range shoot to keep up our skills and we have the cleanest of backgrounds. I, as well as many other license holders are Veterans. WE are NOT the bad Guy's.

[buggyone]

Wow, Jack, is all I can say. The Villages is a safest place to live and you live in fear every day of home invasions. I can understand keeping your front door locked but certainly cannot understand being paranoid enough to come to the front door with your gun when the doorbell rings.

To my knowledge, the only home invasion that ever happened in The Villages was several years ago when a 19 year old was living at home and got mixed up with some drug dealers in Ocala. It was a drug deal gone bad and was not a random crime.

I actually feel pity for you and the fear you live in constantly. Your post tells me why you have a gun in your home but did not address my question of why is it necessary to carry a concealed weapon while in The Villages. Why do you feel that you have to be armed while out on a daily basis in The Villages? There has been no violent person on person crime on the streets that I know about. You certainly would not pull your gun on someone taking your golf bag from your cart.

[GeorgeT]

I am not a talker so I do not post on forums; except this one and this topic. I am a resident of The Villages and I have a CWFL. I have read 7 pages of threats and insults to residents who choose to carry concealed. We will carry to protect ourselves and our families and also the "I'll turn you in so fast it will make your head spin" people. Two words come to mind 'home invasion'. Current court trial just ended in Cheshire, Connecticut. Great and safe neighborhood. Wife, two daughters dead. It doesn't take much for two or three down and out losers to plan a 'bust in the front door' just to rob the people at home and then have that escalate into something much more horrific. My outside storm/screen door is locked morning, afternoon and night. If the bell rings, I answer the door armed. Most homes in TV do not have outer doors. Very easy to push their way in and take control of you and your home. I refuse to be a victim or let my wife be a victim of some loser (s) out on a crime spree. For those of you who do not care for guns, that is your prerogative. Just keep in mind that concealed carry residents are the GG's not the BG's. We have had our training, we range shoot to keep up our skills and we have the cleanest of backgrounds. I, as well as many other license holders are Veterans. WE are NOT the bad Guy's.

Well said Jack. It doesn't matter where you live or how safe it is, there is always the potential for bad things to happen.

[villagegolfer]

Wow, Jack, is all I can say. The Villages is a safest place to live and you live in fear every day of home invasions. I can understand keeping your front door locked but certainly cannot understand being paranoid enough to come to the front door with your gun when the doorbell rings.

To my knowledge, the only home invasion that ever happened in The Villages was several years ago when a 19 year old was living at home and got mixed up with some drug dealers in Ocala. It was a drug deal gone bad and was not a random crime.

I actually feel pity for you and the fear you live in constantly. Your post tells me why you have a gun in your home but did not address my question of why is it necessary to carry a concealed weapon while in The Villages. Why do you feel that you have to be armed while out on a daily basis in The Villages? There has been no violent person on person crime on the streets that I know about. You certainly would not pull your gun on someone taking your golf bag from your cart.
It is his right to have protection. Did you know that the Japanese could have invaded our country and land on our shores? When asked why they didn't, the Japanese high command said that there was too many people in the USA that are armed. I often wonder if the citizens of Cambodia, where millions were killed or imprisoned when we deserted them when we pulled out, would have fared better if they were armed.

An armed society is a polite society.

[Posh 08]

Very strange to say the least, Ladydoc. It would take an awful lot of brass nozzles to be worth anything as scrap metal.

The newest crime is stealing metals, it adds up quickly. There are lots of scrap yards now. Copper wire, pipe, fittings, anything metal.

[Wing-nut2]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb15/wingnut-2/ole0.jpg



I like this picture.

[JimJoe]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb15/wingnut-2/ole0.jpg

I like this picture.

Would that be Photoshopped?

[Wing-nut2]

No. Found it on Yahoo.

Jim

[Jack88]

Wow, Jack, is all I can say. The Villages is a safest place to live and you live in fear every day of home invasions. I can understand keeping your front door locked but certainly cannot understand being paranoid enough to come to the front door with your gun when the doorbell rings.

To my knowledge, the only home invasion that ever happened in The Villages was several years ago when a 19 year old was living at home and got mixed up with some drug dealers in Ocala. It was a drug deal gone bad and was not a random crime.

I actually feel pity for you and the fear you live in constantly. Your post tells me why you have a gun in your home but did not address my question of why is it necessary to carry a concealed weapon while in The Villages. Why do you feel that you have to be armed while out on a daily basis in The Villages? There has been no violent person on person crime on the streets that I know about. You certainly would not pull your gun on someone taking your golf bag from your cart.

Buggyone, Please no not pity me, understand me. I do not live in fear because I know I can protect myself and those I love. I go to my locked door armed as I carry with an ankle holster. You will never see it, don't worry, but if needed it is at the ready. As for carrying in TV, the squares are open to the public. That should answer your question. If a couple of loons want to try something on the night I am coming out of a late movie with my wife, I will have protection.
PS: I'm sure that family in Connecticut never thought it could happen to them.

[Shimpy]

Shrimpy says, "It's better to own a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."

Well, Shrimpy, do you think it was better that the lady ex-police officer had a gun in the house when she mentally snapped and shot her husband while he was taking a shower? This happened just about 2 years ago in The Villages. There was a several hour standoff before she surrendered. She is now in prison.

How often does something like that happen? If she couldn't use a gun she'd have used a knive. Should we not own knives? I'm sure you wouldn't want to give up your kitchen knives because you can relate to them. I am certain you know little about guns. Guns are nothing but tools as are knives or hammers. It takes proper training to get proficient with them. If we follow your way of thinking we'd better give up our cars because we could die of a heart attack and kill several pedestrians.

[Figmo Bohica]

buggyone, after some research, here is the law on that fellow that flashed his gun to get a parking spot. If the law was applied and it should have been, he is now doing 3 years mandatory sentence with NO chance of patrol. That is according to the Florida Statute on flashing even an unloaded firearm.

[buggyone]

Thank you, Figmo, for your research. That person did have a Florida concealed weapon permit - and he still flashed his pistol as a "warning" to the other dude. You and the others have said all have taken classes and know what to do and yet one of the permit holders commits assault with a deadly weapon. Yes, he will go to prison but there are also others who might have gone further than he did and draw down on the other dude and actually shoot him over a parking space or stealing golf clubs from a cart or whatever.

[Wing-nut2]

What happened to the picture???

[Posh 08]

What happened to the picture???

i still see it

[downeaster]

Buggyone, Please no not pity me, understand me. I do not live in fear because I know I can protect myself and those I love. I go to my locked door armed as I carry with an ankle holster. You will never see it, don't worry, but if needed it is at the ready. As for carrying in TV, the squares are open to the public. That should answer your question. If a couple of loons want to try something on the night I am coming out of a late movie with my wife, I will have protection.
PS: I'm sure that family in Connecticut never thought it could happen to them.

Your interesting posts are quite revealing, Jack, but leave me with questions.

Do you "carry" in an ankle holster while in the house or do you strap it on when the doorbell rings?

Do you answer the door with weapon in hand?

Have you considered one of those peep hole things so you can see who is at the door?

If you use your weapon on a "couple of loons" while coming out of the theater what protection do other theater patrons have from stray bullets?

Do your friends know you meet them at the door with your weapon "ready"?

[villagegolfer]

Thank you, Figmo, for your research. That person did have a Florida concealed weapon permit - and he still flashed his pistol as a "warning" to the other dude. You and the others have said all have taken classes and know what to do and yet one of the permit holders commits assault with a deadly weapon. Yes, he will go to prison but there are also others who might have gone further than he did and draw down on the other dude and actually shoot him over a parking space or stealing golf clubs from a cart or whatever.

Should we enact laws on might haves?

[Longrider49]

Interesting this thread started as a question regarding shooting ranges and permits. The thread was hijacked early on. FWIW, I am a member of another forum that has a section entitled the gun enthusiast that discusses much of what has been said here but includes the caveat "no anti gun rants here". I am as much a defender of the 1st amendment as anyone you'll likely encounter. However, it would be nice to discuss these issues by those of us that are pro second amendment without having to filter out the "static" offered up by the antis. Just food for thought.

[buggyone]

VillageGolfer, no where in my posts have I suggested that there should be laws against handgun ownership nor laws against carrying handguns with a proper permit.

I have stated only that it is ridiculous to carry a handgun in The Villages. I did state that I will be observant for illegal display of a gun in public but not accidental display.

I did ask if any of the gun carriers would use them against a thief they saw taking golf clubs from their cart and got no reply on that question.

I got no reply from the poster who claimed that Vermont was as safe as The Villages and that I would like to see comparable FBI violent crime statistics to back up his claim.

I did say that the only violent crime in the past 2 years I know of involved someone with a permit to carry a weapon...and an assault with deadly weapon charge against another person who flashed his gun for a parking space...and he also had a permit to carry. So much for the fallacy of all the permit carriers being good guys.

Anything else I can answer for you?

[Jack88]

Your interesting posts are quite revealing, Jack, but leave me with questions.

Do you "carry" in an ankle holster while in the house or do you strap it on when the doorbell rings?

Do you answer the door with weapon in hand?

Have you considered one of those peep hole things so you can see who is at the door?

If you use your weapon on a "couple of loons" while coming out of the theater what protection do other theater patrons have from stray bullets?

Do your friends know you meet them at the door with your weapon "ready"?

Your questions to me are dripping with sarcasm but be that as it may, please read the following and educate yourself.......

A DOZEN THINGS PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CONCEALED WEAPONS LICENSE HOLDERS.


1) We don't carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don't walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don't get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don't hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
2) We don't think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren't hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don't take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don't believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.
3) We are less likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.
4) We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.
5) Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well-made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.
6) We do not believe in the concept of "accidental discharges". There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun "going off" was the result of negligence on somebody's part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.
7) Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times when an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the outline of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel the need to take action. Please recognize that it's very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don't generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like "there's a guy running around in the store with a gun" or even simply "I saw a man with a gun in the store" could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.
8) The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe or obey "gun-free zone" laws. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.
9) Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.
10) The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don't believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe "gun free zones". Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.


11) Those with concealed carry permits are quite likely the most conspicuously law-abiding people you will encounter. In the majority of states with a permit system, the permit holder has voluntarily submitted himself or herself to a background check involving local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies. Most often, fingerprints have also been taken and submitted for examination. You can be assured that we are not criminals carrying under the shield of the law. Multiple levels of government have concurred that we have followed the law. In addition, we have spent a great deal of funds on training, equipment, and the permit process. We are not eager to jeopardize any of that through misconduct - we are well aware that if we misbehave we can lose every last penny of that investment, as well as our very freedom.
12) We would NEVER use our weapons unless it is absolutely necessary in order to save an innocent life

[GeorgeT]

VillageGolfer, no where in my posts have I suggested that there should be laws against handgun ownership nor laws against carrying handguns with a proper permit.

I have stated only that it is ridiculous to carry a handgun in The Villages. I did state that I will be observant for illegal display of a gun in public but not accidental display.

I did ask if any of the gun carriers would use them against a thief they saw taking golf clubs from their cart and got no reply on that question.

I got no reply from the poster who claimed that Vermont was as safe as The Villages and that I would like to see comparable FBI violent crime statistics to back up his claim.

I did say that the only violent crime in the past 2 years I know of involved someone with a permit to carry a weapon...and an assault with deadly weapon charge against another person who flashed his gun for a parking space...and he also had a permit to carry. So much for the fallacy of all the permit carriers being good guys.

Anything else I can answer for you?

buggy, I decided not to respond to your request for me to back up this claim because it's irrelevant to this discussion. If it makes you feel better then I coincide. All I'll say is I lived in VT for the past 27 years and just about everybody owns a firearm and the bad guys know it, that is what keeps the crime rate low in the entire state. Why don't you stop with the tunnel vision and look at the big picture. Like another poster said, a firearm is nothing but a tool. If some one wants to do you harm there are many tools that will do the job. Look at some motorcycle gangs, they carry ball peen hammers and sharpened screw drivers because they are "legal" and don't require permits. If our second amendment is screwed with then only the bad guys will have firearms. In the United Kingdom, the majority of police officers do not carry firearms. How do you think that would fly over here?

Also if a person with a permit shoots someone in self defense here in the USA they are still in for the legal ride of their life at the cost of about 75K for their defense so you can bet they will think twice before pulling the trigger or at least should. I'll also say that not everyone who owns a firearm is responsible enough to give their firearm the respect it deserves but that also holds true for people who drive a car.

[Maxman]

One of the reasons that we are moving from Maryland to Florida is the acceptance of the principles written in the 2nd amendment. Here in the Baltimore metro area violent crime with guns is rampant, but we have some of the strictest gun control laws in the United States.

I don't know if I will get a CCP, but I am secure in that the person, who means me harm, does not know weather I am carrying or not. That is an effective deterrent I can live with.

[CMANN]

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday

[Figmo Bohica]

To the gentleman who carrys his pistol in an ankle holster. That is the worst place to carry a firearm. Have you every tried to draw it in a hurry? There is no way to get your firearm out in an emergency without bending over, pulling your pants leg up and getting back up to a standing position. If you don't believe me, find a place that does force on force training and try to out draw anyone who carrys it in a holster or pocket. You will never win. But if you feel safe carrying that way it is your choice, but you really need to think about where your are carrying your protection.

An example: You open your door, you are faced with someone who pulls a knife and pushing their way into your home. Now what you have to do, is bend over, lift your pants leg and then try to get your gun out while they are stabbing or beating you. Ain't never gonna happen. An ankle holster is only a good place to carry a back up gun (BUG) when you can open carry.

I want to address some thought to the ladies who might be reading this thread. I encourage you to get your CCW. Not that you have to own a gun or even carry one. Criminals are not the sharpest knifes in the drawer, but they are also not stupid. They look at numbers and if the number of permits to ladies for CCW in Florida is high and the permits in another state are low, where do you think that they will go to commit their crimes against women. My wife will be getting her Florida permit shortly and she never carries. She likes to shoot, knows how to shoot and would protect herself in our home, but she does not feel she needs to carry in public, she has me. LOL

I am also willing to give a class to any group here in the Villages about Protection In The Home that does not include owning or using a firearm. There are lots of things that you can do, but might not have thought of to protect yourself in your home. I will also give the same class for those that own firearms if desired. I will offer my time and expertise for free. Just contact me, I would like to have at least 15 to 20 if not more for these classes.

[faithfulfrank]

Jack88,

Excellent post.

[Posh 08]

To the gentleman who carrys his pistol in an ankle holster. That is the worst place to carry a firearm. Have you every tried to draw it in a hurry? There is no way to get your firearm out in an emergency without bending over, pulling your pants leg up and getting back up to a standing position. If you don't believe me, find a place that does force on force training and try to out draw anyone who carrys it in a holster or pocket. You will never win. But if you feel safe carrying that way it is your choice, but you really need to think about where your are carrying your protection.

An example: You open your door, you are faced with someone who pulls a knife and pushing their way into your home. Now what you have to do, is bend over, lift your pants leg and then try to get your gun out while they are stabbing or beating you. Ain't never gonna happen. An ankle holster is only a good place to carry a back up gun (BUG) when you can open carry.

I want to address some thought to the ladies who might be reading this thread. I encourage you to get your CCW. Not that you have to own a gun or even carry one. Criminals are not the sharpest knifes in the drawer, but they are also not stupid. They look at numbers and if the number of permits to ladies for CCW in Florida is high and the permits in another state are low, where do you think that they will go to commit their crimes against women. My wife will be getting her Florida permit shortly and she never carries. She likes to shoot, knows how to shoot and would protect herself in our home, but she does not feel she needs to carry in public, she has me. LOL

I am also willing to give a class to any group here in the Villages about Protection In The Home that does not include owning or using a firearm. There are lots of things that you can do, but might not have thought of to protect yourself in your home. I will also give the same class for those that own firearms if desired. I will offer my time and expertise for free. Just contact me, I would like to have at least 15 to 20 if not more for these classes.

I'm in, if I'm there.

[Jack88]

To the gentleman who carrys his pistol in an ankle holster. That is the worst place to carry a firearm. Have you every tried to draw it in a hurry? There is no way to get your firearm out in an emergency without bending over, pulling your pants leg up and getting back up to a standing position. If you don't believe me, find a place that does force on force training and try to out draw anyone who carrys it in a holster or pocket. You will never win. But if you feel safe carrying that way it is your choice, but you really need to think about where your are carrying your protection.

An example: You open your door, you are faced with someone who pulls a knife and pushing their way into your home. Now what you have to do, is bend over, lift your pants leg and then try to get your gun out while they are stabbing or beating you. Ain't never gonna happen. An ankle holster is only a good place to carry a back up gun (BUG) when you can open carry.

I want to address some thought to the ladies who might be reading this thread. I encourage you to get your CCW. Not that you have to own a gun or even carry one. Criminals are not the sharpest knifes in the drawer, but they are also not stupid. They look at numbers and if the number of permits to ladies for CCW in Florida is high and the permits in another state are low, where do you think that they will go to commit their crimes against women. My wife will be getting her Florida permit shortly and she never carries. She likes to shoot, knows how to shoot and would protect herself in our home, but she does not feel she needs to carry in public, she has me. LOL

I am also willing to give a class to any group here in the Villages about Protection In The Home that does not include owning or using a firearm. There are lots of things that you can do, but might not have thought of to protect yourself in your home. I will also give the same class for those that own firearms if desired. I will offer my time and expertise for free. Just contact me, I would like to have at least 15 to 20 if not more for these classes.

Thanks Figmo, I appreciate your concern. As I mentioned earlier I have installed a storm/screen door which is locked morning, day and night just for that reason. It gives me a few seconds to slam the front door shut or at the very least reach for my weapon if the BG tries to break down the door while I am standing there. Chances are if the BG sees the outer door is locked he will move on. I also have an XD Springfield .45 at home which I do not carry. I like the comfort of the ankle carry and also the deep concealment. No chance of printing. I do however practice holstering and re-holstering which is just as important.
Question: Would any of these naysayers answer their doorbell at 11:00pm without the benefit of a barrier between them and the unknown visitor?

PS: Thank you Faithful Frank!

[Figmo Bohica]

Question: Would any of these naysayers answer their doorbell at 11:00pm without the benefit of a barrier between them and the unknown visitor?

PS: Thank you Faithful Frank!

I would not be willing to wager money on that bet. As I think there would be a few that would without thinking twice about it.

[Posh 08]

Thanks Figmo, I appreciate your concern. As I mentioned earlier I have installed a storm/screen door which is locked morning, day and night just for that reason. It gives me a few seconds to slam the front door shut or at the very least reach for my weapon if the BG tries to break down the door while I am standing there. Chances are if the BG sees the outer door is locked he will move on. I also have an XD Springfield .45 at home which I do not carry. I like the comfort of the ankle carry and also the deep concealment. No chance of printing. I do however practice holstering and re-holstering which is just as important.
Question: Would any of these naysayers answer their doorbell at 11:00pm without the benefit of a barrier between them and the unknown visitor?

PS: Thank you Faithful Frank!

I'd never answer the door at that hour. I never open my door to a stranger, just ask them what want.

[buggyone]

3) We are less likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.


Jack, I am sure that MOST of the gun carry permit holders are "good guys" BUT the two incidents that happened (lady shooting her husband and guy showing his weapon to get a parking space) WERE BOTH gun carry permit holders. One was even former LEO.

[villagegolfer]

3) We are less likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or "rage" incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.


Jack, I am sure that MOST of the gun carry permit holders are "good guys" BUT the two incidents that happened (lady shooting her husband and guy showing his weapon to get a parking space) WERE BOTH gun carry permit holders. One was even former LEO.

Two incidences in a city of 80,000 in how many years? That is your case? LOL

[buggyone]

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

[villagegolfer]

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

Not really. People, even evil, not too bright people, know that there are many gun owners here in Florida. They also know that many gun owners live here in the Villages. It is that deterrent that keeps us safe. An armed society is a polite society.

[Pat_RI]

I just wish ammo wasn't so damn expensive or short on supply.

[CMANN]

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

you are constantly saying that there is no "NEED" to carry a pistol in the villages. Please define need?

I've only carried my firearm twice in the villages. Both times it was because I was going outside the villages at night. There is no way that I can get my firearm outside of the villages without carrying in the villages.

Back to what I said before, please define need.



If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

[Vinny]

Before Vinny edited his post last night, he had in it a reason he carries a weapon is because last Christmas time in The Villages a man flashed a concealed gun to get a parking space. The man had a permit and he still did that! He got arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon. He would have been a lot better off if he had not been packing heat!

The shooting 2 years ago was a retired police officer who had a pistol at home and shot her husband. No gun, no shooting - maybe a knife, but who knows?

As I said, if I ever see a person in a bar in The Villages having a drink and they have a pistol concealed, I am calling 911 right away. If I ever see a pistol when someone is talking with me and I feel threatened, I am calling 911.

'Nuff said.

Before you waste a police officer's time you might want to read the concealed carry laws in Florida. You can drink and carry a gun in Florida. No law against it. The law does not allow you to carry in a bar or in the bar area of a restaurant. Says nothing about not drinking. It is perfectly legal to sit down at a table in a resturant and eat and drink. Despite this you would be truly amazed at the very low percentage of gun problems caused by licensed concealed carriers.

Doctors kill over 200,000 people a year compared to 13,000 gun deaths and yet no one wants to ban doctors. The reason is that they save many more lives than they take. The same is true of guns and all it takes is a desire to ferret out the truth to learn that. Your logic also escapes me. No car - no car accidents. Let's ban cars to solve the car accident problem rather then deal with the root causes.

You obviously like your first amendment rights. I also like that amendment and the second one too. Just please do not let your fears infringe on my rights. The new law about accidental showing of your concealed gun was to protect us from overzealous people. The kind one typically finds who turns in their neighbor for putting a single gnome on their lawn. The law is very strict. 3 year mandatory prison term with no parole allowed for showing a concealed carry gun in a rude, careless or angry manner. At least now we are not making felons out of good people due to a gust of wind and an anti gun activist eager to turn them in.

In case you missed them, here are just a few articles I know of about concealed carry holders defending themselves. Nationwide 13 accredited surveys showed that there was between 800,000 and 2.5 million incidents of a civilian using a gun for self defense per year. You never read about that though. Only the accidental, or more properly called, negligent discharges of weapons by people unfamiliar with the basic safety rules for gun handling or mass shootings in schools by bad guys who disregarded all the no gun signs and laws. Unfortunately the victims of these shooters obeyed the laws anti gun people favor and were defenseless to shoot back. By now with so many people with guns you would think schools would at least teach gun safety the same way they teach sex ed, drugs, internet safety, etc. Guns do not just go off. Some has to be careless and squeeze the trigger while loaded and totally ignore all the features that let you know that the gun is loaded. Any way here is just three I know of off the top of my head:

St Petersburg, FL – Retired banker Hall Palmer heard a noise and got up to investigate. As soon as he opened the door, the 70-year-old was face-to-face with a man dressed in all black and armed with a pistol. The suspect ordered Palmer to sit on the bed. He wanted the PIN for a bank card he’d found downstairs. Palmer said the card was expired, but he could give him some money. The suspect bound Palmer’s hands with twine, led him downstairs and found his billfold. The suspect then bound Palmer’s feet, gagged his mouth and went outside. But he’d underestimated his victim. Palmer wriggled free and retrieved his late father’s .38-cal. Colt Army Special revolver. When the suspect returned, Palmer fired a shot, causing him to flee. The suspect had been carrying a pillow; Palmer wonders if it was intended to muffle the sound of his execution. , The Armed Citizen/St. Petersburg Times, 01/20/2011

Lakeland FL – Denard Joe was stopped in his car at an intersection when a man wearing a red bandana tapped on the window and pointed a gun at him. Joe, a Florida concealed weapons permit holder, drew a handgun and opened fire through the window, striking his assailant twice in the chest. The carjacker, who had just been released from prison, ran a short distance and died. – The Armed Citizen/Lakeland Ledger, 04/06/2011

Daytona Beach, FL – Charles Place was walking in a restaurant parking lot when a man snuck up behind him, grabbed him and reached for his wallet. Unfortunately for the suspect, the 83-year-old man was in no mood to become a victim. Police said he resisted and was knocked to the ground. That’s when Place drew his .25-cal. semi-automatic handgun, for which he has a permit to carry. He showed his assailant the gun and demanded to be left alone. The suspect fled but was followed by a witness who helped police make the arrest. The Armed Citizen/Daytona Beach News Journal, 09/26/10

Personally I was surrounded by three drugged out men many years ago with broken bottles and a tire iron in the parking lot of my office building demanding money. A very safe place I thought but I always went armed so I merely showed my gun and they left quickly. Had I not been armed because it was a safe place it would not have turned out well for me as they were high on something that made them mean.

It happens a lot but we just do not read about it much. And remember that good people do not want to kill. It is a difficult thing to do and if you were one of the many brave men who fought in combat you would know this. We carry guns because we refuse to be victims. In this world there are sheep and sheep dogs and I'd rather protect the herd than wait to be slaughtered.

[Vinny]

you are constantly saying that there is no "NEED" to carry a pistol in the villages. Please define need?

I've only carried my firearm twice in the villages. Both times it was because I was going outside the villages at night. There is no way that I can get my firearm outside of the villages without carrying in the villages.

Back to what I said before, please define need.



If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

I just carry all the time for the very reason you mentioned. I never know where I will end up. Just the other day we ended up in Orlando unplanned. I carry my gun for the same reason I buckle up to just drive a few blocks.

[graciegirl]

:sigh:

[MelZ]

:BigApplause::BigApplause:I just carry all the time for the very reason you mentioned. I never know where I will end up. Just the other day we ended up in Orlando unplanned. I carry my gun for the same reason I buckle up to just drive a few blocks.

[downeaster]

I just carry all the time for the very reason you mentioned. I never know where I will end up. Just the other day we ended up in Orlando unplanned. I carry my gun for the same reason I buckle up to just drive a few blocks.

I have two questions.

How do you keep your firearm concealed? I would think it would be difficult wearing light clothing.

Under what circumstances would you use your firearm?

[Figmo Bohica]

I have two questions.

How do you keep your firearm concealed? I would think it would be difficult wearing light clothing.

Under what circumstances would you use your firearm?

To carry concealed in warm weather, google Tommy Gun packs. They look like fanny packs and come in a varity of colors, sizes and configerations. Besides, what tourist in Florida don't have fanny packs. :a20: I am old, I look like a tourist, what a cover right. Also with some of the pocket pistols that are available today, they fit in your pocket in a pocket holster, leave no print and are easy to get to if needed.

I would only use my firearm to protect myself, my loved one or someone who was being violently attacked in my presense. Otherwise, if I or my family are not in danger, I would back away from the situation, grab that wonderful invention call the cell phone, call 911 and let the professionals handle the situation. Now on the other hand if you are smashing in my door or window at night and attempting to gain entry to my home, you are placing yourself in extreme danger. Besides being ankle chewed by my mini doxie, you would have to face my enraged wife for messing up her window/door and brother, let me tell you that is one thing that you would want to avoid at all costs.

[downeaster]

To carry concealed in warm weather, google Tommy Gun packs. They look like fanny packs and come in a varity of colors, sizes and configerations. Besides, what tourist in Florida don't have fanny packs. :a20: I am old, I look like a tourist, what a cover right. Also with some of the pocket pistols that are available today, they fit in your pocket in a pocket holster, leave no print and are easy to get to if needed.

I would only use my firearm to protect myself, my loved one or someone who was being violently attacked in my presense. Otherwise, if I or my family are not in danger, I would back away from the situation, grab that wonderful invention call the cell phone, call 911 and let the professionals handle the situation. Now on the other hand if you are smashing in my door or window at night and attempting to gain entry to my home, you are placing yourself in extreme danger. Besides being ankle chewed by my mini doxie, you would have to face my enraged wife for messing up her window/door and brother, let me tell you that is one thing that you would want to avoid at all costs.

My questions were directed at carrying. Keeping a firearm in the home is another subject.

I had a permit to carry, concealed as well as open, years ago. I never carried when not "working". When the need no longer existed I surrendered my right to carry.

I keep a firearm in my home as I feel it is prudent.

BTW, the closest I have come to using it was when the doorbell rang and my wife yelled "there is a naked man at the door". It was about 8:00 AM on a Saturday. By the time I got to the door a young man, totally nude, was walking away from our front door. Police apprehended him and determined he was stoned and probably thinking he was going for a shower. It wasn't in The Villages but it was a nice neighborhood.

[CMANN]

My questions were directed at carrying. Keeping a firearm in the home is another subject.

I had a permit to carry, concealed as well as open, years ago. I never carried when not "working". When the need no longer existed I surrendered my right to carry.

I keep a firearm in my home as I feel it is prudent.

BTW, the closest I have come to using it was when the doorbell rang and my wife yelled "there is a naked man at the door". It was about 8:00 AM on a Saturday. By the time I got to the door a young man, totally nude, was walking away from our front door. Police apprehended him and determined he was stoned and probably thinking he was going for a shower. It wasn't in The Villages but it was a nice neighborhood.

in regards to how to carry think carefully about Fannie Pack carry, take care.
Then he picks a great with the exception that fanny packs designed for guns are usually larger than the standard Fannie pack. The standard Fannie pack is more difficult to access. Another problem with fanny packs is that most of the time police officers and many civilians will know that you're carrying a gun. How you ask? Next time you see somebody with a fanny pack which by the way they are generally a style look for an imprint of a wallet in his back pocket. Think to yourself, why would we have that fanny pack. You would be surprised how common this giveaway is seen.

Myself, I put my Smith & Wesson snubnosed 38 into a purposely designed pocket holster and stick it in my right front pocket. It does not imprint so that people would see it. It works for shorts and slacks. A reminder though no matter where you carry a concealed pistol it should be in a holster designed for that purpose. I have heard of cases where people have carried a pistol in their pocket and got the trigger caught in their car keys. Very embarrassing.

Just some thoughts.

[samanthagal]

I have heard of cases where people have carried a pistol in their pocket and got the trigger type in their car keys. Very embarrassing.



Not to mention painful :a20:

[jack_pine]

Man, talk about not being able to stay on the op's question. Why doesn't someone start a pro/anti gun thread. For one, I have read these threads on many forums and there is nothing to see, move along.

Then I can get the answer to the original question. I think I have only heard one range mentioned and the rifle is indoor. Is there only one range close and none that are outdoor?

I would think Florida would have a better selection of ranges. I shoot a lot but have my own range at my Wisconsin cabin. If we decide to move there I wna to make sure there are ranges close by. That is one of my missions for our LSV in January.

[MelZ]

Man, talk about not being able to stay on the op's question. Why doesn't someone start a pro/anti gun thread. For one, I have read these threads on many forums and there is nothing to see, move along.

Then I can get the answer to the original question. I think I have only heard one range mentioned and the rifle is indoor. Is there only one range close and none that are outdoor?

I would think Florida would have a better selection of ranges. I shoot a lot but have my own range at my Wisconsin cabin. If we decide to move there I wna to make sure there are ranges close by. That is one of my missions for our LSV in January.

There are two public indoor ranges near TV and outdoor Public Range at the Ocala national Forest. There are two private clubs with ranges in the area.

[jack_pine]

There are two public indoor ranges near TV and outdoor Public Range at the Ocala national Forest. There are two private clubs with ranges in the area.

Thank you.

[courtyard]

The free range in Ocala Forest has only six stations, and they are always full. And it's a long drive up there.

The private club in Eustis may suit your needs and is 40 minutes away.

The indoor closer range I have not been to yet but they said you can only shoot rifles one day a week and no black powder at all.

[Shimpy]

The free range in Ocala Forest has only six stations, and they are always full. And it's a long drive up there.

The private club in Eustis may suit your needs and is 40 minutes away.

The indoor closer range I have not been to yet but they said you can only shoot rifles one day a week and no black powder at all.

Who would want to shoot a rifle at an indoor range? Other than a private underground tunnel (100 yds) that we used to test loads for benchrest guns in S. Fla., indoor ranges are way too short for any meaningful shooting.

[courtyard]

Hello Shimpy.

I agree.
I think that a rifle range should be out doors and at least 200 meters.
But sometimes you must take what you can get.
That indoor range is the closest.
If we could convince the powers that be to start a range here, I would be a happy fella. Put a Mauser in the ole golf bag and off we go.

Courtyard

[CaptJohn]

indoor ranges are way too short for any meaningful shooting.

Plus you miss the fun of adjusting for windage! I agree with your 200 meters/yards minimum.
My club has 300 yards and a range not far from here in Mississippi has 1000 yards but with lots of yellow flies in the summer! Shot for my DCM there. Anybody got a swamp available? Surely there are some swamps left in Florida!

[jbdlfan]

Thank you, Village Golfer. You are right. You proved my point. 2 incidents in a city of 80,000 in 2 years is extremely tiny. The Villages IS the safest place you could live in. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages. One of those incidents even happened at their home. Basically, 1 incident in 2 years. There is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I am not saying to ban it from being legal to carry a pistol nor to ban handguns. That is up to each person, of course.

I am saying there is no need to carry a pistol in The Villages.

I can't deliver the screen shot, but I find it interesting when you look at the crime statistics for The Villages in Lake County versus The Villages in Sumter County. You can go and see for your self. https://www.crimereports.com/
Crime seems to stop at the county line. Weird?!?!?!?!
I guess all the criminals in The Villages live North of 466 and in or around 441!