Poll: 7 in 10 say Obama has not helped economy

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Gee, I would have thought that it would be 9 in 10.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20114996-503544.html

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But, he has helped in many other ways.

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But, he has helped in many other ways.

I don't know of other ways, but millions of people are suffering because they are not working. I am assuming that many are already stopped getting unemployment checks. Home values are still going down and people's Financial portfolios are headed south, too.

Most people vote their wallets.

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I don't know of other ways, but millions of people are suffering because they are not working. I am assuming that many are already stopped getting unemployment checks. Home values are still going down and people's Financial portfolios are headed south, too.

Most people vote their wallets.

Maybe Christie will announce hes running at 1 PM today. We don't need him as bad now since Romney has overtaken the Texas Freak boy, but I would like to see him run.

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Maybe Christie will announce hes running at 1 PM today. We don't need him as bad now since Romney has overtaken the Texas Freak boy, but I would like to see him run.

If he runs and says something you don't like, what will be his knickname?

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Looks like he is not running.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/chris-christie-not-running-for-president-in-2012-source-says/2011/10/04/gIQAGdIvKL_blog.html

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But, he has helped in many other ways.

Since you said, "he has helped in many other ways."

Since you used "many".

Please provide 3 examples. Not opinions. EXAMPLES!

thanks

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If he runs and says something you don't like, what will be his knickname?

What????

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Looks like he is not running.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/chris-christie-not-running-for-president-in-2012-source-says/2011/10/04/gIQAGdIvKL_blog.html

But like I said, since Romney is blowing Freak Boy out of the park, we don't need Christie. Now what do you have to say about my choice in Romney?

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What????

You seem to like knicknames.

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Since you said, "he has helped in many other ways."

Since you used "many".

Please provide 3 examples. Not opinions. EXAMPLES!

thanks

If you can't come up with at least three favorable things that Obama has done in his term, then I would suggest you google it. I am learning not to open myself up to personal attacks from the 6 PAC, so I can't say anything favorable about any Democrats. Sorry, but Google is a great search engine and may help you out.

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Romney has tons of executive experience. He took charge of the Olympics and saved it. He is a successful business man. We need a man or woman that will run government as a business not a welfare state. We need departments streamlined and many of them eliminated. Captain Zero would not stand a chance against Romney. Heck even a lame debater like McCain was holding his ground against Obama.
We need somebody who will encourage Congress to stop the spending and loosen the regulations that are killing businesses. We need someone who will encourage growth- not threaten it. We need someone who will not play the tired old class warfare baloney. Obama gives hope for free stuff, Romney will encourage growth so everybody can make money to feed our families and grow.

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Romney has tons of executive experience. He took charge of the Olympics and saved it. He is a successful business man. We need a man or woman that will run government as a business not a welfare state. We need departments streamlined and many of them eliminated. Captain Zero would not stand a chance against Romney. Heck even a lame debater like McCain was holding his ground against Obama.
We need somebody who will encourage Congress to stop the spending and loosen the regulations that are killing businesses. We need someone who will encourage growth- not threaten it. We need someone who will not play the tired old class warfare baloney. Obama gives hope for free stuff, Romney will encourage growth so everybody can make money to feed our families and grow.

I knew if I waited long enough you would say something that would not make me want to throw up. LOL No Offense. :bigbow:

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But, he has helped in many other ways.


Would you kindly elaborate on how exactly Obama "has helped in many other ways"? I ask this because I am truly trying to find something positive coming out of the White House. I will tell you this, I have given up on Congress irrespective of party affliation this band of 535 continues to show little interest in the taxpayer and much interest in lobbyist and big money people with whom they trade information (some would call insider trading) so that they can mutually build up their coffers.

Its why fraud and abuse in plans and programs continued to be ignored and why pols ignore federal/state employees who double dip at the expense of taxpayers who are forced to pay double taxation. And why the ethics Committee is a sham. It expalins why memebers of both political affilaitions and at the White House or in Congress can travel the worls in luxury and call it business necessary for the people

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I just love it when I hear conservative Republicans and Tea Partyers talk of fraud and abuse of government programs. Why do they forget the governor of Florida, Rick Scott?

We all know when Scott was CEO of Columbia/HCA, the hospital consortium was fined around $1.7 BILLION for Medicare fraud and abuse. Scott stepped down as CEO and said he knew nothing. What kind of CEO knows nothing of the fraud going on under his nose?

Also, IF "even a lame debater like McCain was holding his own against Obama", why did the Republicans lose in 2008? Oh, it must have been the Tea Party supported person in the VP slot - Ms. Sarah Palin of Wasilla, Alaska.

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I just love it when I hear conservative Republicans and Tea Partners talk of fraud and abuse of government programs. Why do they forget the governor of Florida, Rick Scott?

We all know when Scott was CEO of Columbia/HCA, the hospital consortium was fined around $1.7 BILLION for Medicare fraud and abuse. Scott stepped down as CEO and said he knew nothing. What kind of CEO knows nothing of the fraud going on under his nose?

Also, IF "even a lame debater like McCain was holding his own against Obama," why did the Republicans lose in 2008? Oh, it must have been the Tea Party supported person in the VP slot - Ms. Sarah Palin of Weasel, Alaska.
I see you enjoy rehashing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Palin gave him a boost and he probably received thousands of votes because people were afraid Joe "gaffe a minute" Biden might be second in line to the President.
The Republicans lost because of the economy just like Obuma will lose because of the economy. When they all realize what a mistake Obama has been for our country, he will be gone. Obuma will probably take 90% of the black vote and some fringe groups, but anybody with half a brain will not vote for him again.

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I knew if I waited long enough you would say something that would not make me want to throw up. LOL No Offense. :bigbow:

Yea, well no offense to you but I have had to run to the bathroom after........ I can't say it because it would be directly attacking a poster. Did you learn nothing from your sabbatical from TOTV?

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You failed (again) to mention anything about Republican Rick Scott.

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You failed (again) to mention anything about Republican Rick Scott.

Rick Scott seems to me to be a very good man. I have been here less then a year so the gossip from his past is unknown to me. I would definitely vote for him.

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Anyways, back on subject. 70% of people say that Obama has not helped the economy. I would say that the 3 out of the 10 were probably government employees or just union hacks. What say you?

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Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke says the economic recovery "is close to faltering" and the central bank is prepared to take further steps to support it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/bernanke-economic-recovery-close-faltering-14663873


The election cannot get here fast enough!!!!!!!

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I just love it when I hear conservative Republicans and Tea Partyers talk of fraud and abuse of government programs. Why do they forget the governor of Florida, Rick Scott?

We all know when Scott was CEO of Columbia/HCA, the hospital consortium was fined around $1.7 BILLION for Medicare fraud and abuse. Scott stepped down as CEO and said he knew nothing. What kind of CEO knows nothing of the fraud going on under his nose?

Also, IF "even a lame debater like McCain was holding his own against Obama", why did the Republicans lose in 2008? Oh, it must have been the Tea Party supported person in the VP slot - Ms. Sarah Palin of Wasilla, Alaska.

Buggy, the Florida voters knew the stories about Scott you're talking about before his election and decided he was the man they wanted to vote for, and they did, and he won.

What makes you think anyone cares more about it now?

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If you can't come up with at least three favorable things that Obama has done in his term, then I would suggest you google it. I am learning not to open myself up to personal attacks from the 6 PAC, so I can't say anything favorable about any Democrats. Sorry, but Google is a great search engine and may help you out.

Amazing!

Not even ONE example. That's what I figured.:icon_bored:

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Anyways, back on subject. 70% of people say that Obama has not helped the economy. I would say that the 3 out of the 10 were probably government employees or just union hacks. What say you?

Your right, he has not helped the economy, but he has been so inspirational in many other areas. Yea for Obama.

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Buggy, the Florida voters knew the stories about Scott you're talking about before his election and decided he was the man they wanted to vote for, and they did, and he won.

What makes you think anyone cares more about it now?

Hey, did you see Mitt today? I went down there late but I picked up a magnetic bumper sticker and a couple of buttons.

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Yea, well no offense to you but I have had to run to the bathroom after........ I can't say it because it would be directly attacking a poster. Did you learn nothing from your sabbatical from TOTV?

That was not meant to be a personal attack.

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Romney has tons of executive experience. He took charge of the Olympics and saved it. He is a successful business man. We need a man or woman that will run government as a business not a welfare state. We need departments streamlined and many of them eliminated. Captain Zero would not stand a chance against Romney. Heck even a lame debater like McCain was holding his ground against Obama.
We need somebody who will encourage Congress to stop the spending and loosen the regulations that are killing businesses. We need someone who will encourage growth- not threaten it. We need someone who will not play the tired old class warfare baloney. Obama gives hope for free stuff, Romney will encourage growth so everybody can make money to feed our families and grow.

Waiting for Godot???? :cus:

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That was not meant to be a personal attack.

I knew if I waited long enough you would say something that would not make me want to throw up. LOL No Offense.

Yea right!!!!!

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[QUOTE=villagegolfer;402276]Yea right!!!!![/QUOTE

I am crushed that you a fellow republican can feel that way about me. :sad:

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Amazing!

Not even ONE example. That's what I figured.:icon_bored:

I told you in the post that I am not allowed by the 6 PAC to post anything positive about Obama in this forum. Sorry. You will have to Google it.

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Gee, I would have thought that it would be 9 in 10.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20114996-503544.html

3 out of 10 are not of this world.

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One of the best charts I have seen:

http://minx.cc/?post=322086

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...would John McCain have done any better?

McCain, had he been elected, would have faced two years of a Democratic Congress. Almost certainly the same backbiting, nasty, ideological stalemate would have resulted with even less legislation than Obama was able to get passed. Even now, McCain would have a Republican House on his side, but he's still be checkmated by the Democratic Senate.

Fiscally things might even be worse because whatever sorts of stimulus legislation McCain might have come up with would almost certainly not have been passed. That would have resulted in even more disastrous economic conditions, higher unemployment and lowered confidence and expectations by both employers and employees than we're seeing now.

From a military point-of-view, we would almost certainly still be operating at elevated troop levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if not even more places in the world. Continued and expanded use of our military was a fundamental plank in the McCain campaign.

I think the conclusion to be reached here is that our system of government is broken. It makes little difference who the President is when the Congress is so hogtied by ideology that no decisions for the good of the country are being made. We simply don't have an operating government right now, and we haven't had one for some time.

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...would John McCain have done any better?

McCain, had he been elected, would have faced two years of a Democratic Congress. Almost certainly the same backbiting, nasty, ideological stalemate would have resulted with even less legislation than Obama was able to get passed. Even now, McCain would have a Republican House on his side, but he's still be checkmated by the Democratic Senate.

Fiscally things might even be worse because whatever sorts of stimulus legislation McCain might have come up with would almost certainly not have been passed. That would have resulted in even more disastrous economic conditions, higher unemployment and lowered confidence and expectations by both employers and employees than we're seeing now.

From a military point-of-view, we would almost certainly still be operating at elevated troop levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if not even more places in the world. Continued and expanded use of our military was a fundamental plank in the McCain campaign.

I think the conclusion to be reached here is that our system of government is broken. It makes little difference who the President is when the Congress is so hogtied by ideology that no decisions for the good of the country are being made. We simply don't have an operating government right now, and we haven't had one for some time.

One big difference, McCain would not have pushed ObamaCare down our throats scaring the daylights out of businesses.

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One big difference, McCain would not have pushed ObamaCare down our throats scaring the daylights out of businesses.

Besides the absence of the hated ObamaCare scheme being shoved down the throat of America in the dark of the night, I don't believe McCain would have doubled down on the "stimulus"; or boxed in our energy producers, while also expanding business choking federal regulations, and at the same time promising future tax hikes on business like Obama has done, either. All of which has strangled our economy.

It's strange to be trying to guess what would have happened in another time line. I always did like science fiction, though.

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One big difference, McCain would not have pushed ObamaCare down our throats scaring the daylights out of businesses.

Naw....he would just have started another war or two. :cus:

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Naw....he would just have started another war or two. :cus:

Like Libya?:cus:

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Since you said, "he has helped in many other ways."

Since you used "many".

Please provide 3 examples. Not opinions. EXAMPLES!

thanks



1. Dow is hovering around 11,000. Day Obama was sworn in it was ~8600.
2. Osama Bin Laden is no longer with us. 8 years, Bush couldn't find him.
3. Expanded stem cell research.

And, in case you might have missed it.......

* Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
* Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled
* Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women
* Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
* Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court
* Increased funding available for student loans
* Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs
* Sonia Sotomayor appointed to the Supreme Court

..... and many, many more.

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...would John McCain have done any better?

McCain, had he been elected, would have faced two years of a Democratic Congress. Almost certainly the same backbiting, nasty, ideological stalemate would have resulted with even less legislation than Obama was able to get passed. Even now, McCain would have a Republican House on his side, but he's still be checkmated by the Democratic Senate.

Fiscally things might even be worse because whatever sorts of stimulus legislation McCain might have come up with would almost certainly not have been passed. That would have resulted in even more disastrous economic conditions, higher unemployment and lowered confidence and expectations by both employers and employees than we're seeing now.

From a military point-of-view, we would almost certainly still be operating at elevated troop levels in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if not even more places in the world. Continued and expanded use of our military was a fundamental plank in the McCain campaign.

I think the conclusion to be reached here is that our system of government is broken. It makes little difference who the President is when the Congress is so hogtied by ideology that no decisions for the good of the country are being made. We simply don't have an operating government right now, and we haven't had one for some time.

VK In all due respect most times you reason well but for all the reasons cited previously by others I beleive your premise here is flawed. Beside I believe Obama's foreign policies are going to come back to haunt us. For example while I appauld his use of drones I believe we would have learned valuable information from high profiles like bin laden and anwar al- Awlaki had we captured rather than killed them that would have yielded greater benefits .
You and others may well disagree with my comments and I would understand

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1. Dow is hovering around 11,000. Day Obama was sworn in it was ~8600.
2. Osama Bin Laden is no longer with us. 8 years, Bush couldn't find him.
3. Expanded stem cell research.

And, in case you might have missed it.......

* Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
* Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled
* Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women
* Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
* Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court
* Increased funding available for student loans
* Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs
* Sonia Sotomayor appointed to the Supreme Court

..... and many, many more.

:bigbow: :bigbow: That should get "their" ire up. Thanks. :cus:

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1. Dow is hovering around 11,000. Day Obama was sworn in it was ~8600.
2. Osama Bin Laden is no longer with us. 8 years, Bush couldn't find him.
3. Expanded stem cell research.

And, in case you might have missed it.......

* Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts
* Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled
* Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women
* Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees
* Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court
* Increased funding available for student loans
* Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs
* Sonia Sotomayor appointed to the Supreme Court

..... and many, many more.

You call those achievements?:sing:

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and please add the following to the list:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/darn-tooting-obama-brags-about-hhs-reg-catholic-bishops-call-attack-liberty

And then calculate for me how the total list adds up to how many of his promises made in 2007. And then please provide the impact each of the list has made on the economy and creating new jobs....and energy independence>

I anxiously await the revelation(s).

btk