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[Guest]

This article condemns the GOP for trying to block democrat voters from the polls. I read it and feel they are simply trying to have voters be more qualified to vote. Two specifically that caught my eye are blocking felons and people without proper ID. I see that as a good thing. What am I missing?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830


Well, my dog is done doing his thing, so back to bed for me. See y'all tomorrow.

[Guest]

This article condemns the GOP for trying to block democrat voters from the polls. I read it and feel they are simply trying to have voters be more qualified to vote. Two specifically that caught my eye are blocking felons and people without proper ID. I see that as a good thing. What am I missing?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830


Well, my dog is done doing his thing, so back to bed for me. See y'all tomorrow.

Villager II~ I read as much of the linked article as I could possibly stomach. I really don't think you are missing a thing. I agree with you!

[Guest]

What you may be missing is the fact that Ari Berman, the author of
the Rolling Stone article, was a member of JournoList - an email group of approximately 400 progressive and socialist journalists, academics and new media activists who were caught discussing how to shape the news to advance Barack Obama's campaign and agenda and stop Sarah Palin, John McCain and the Republican Party. Many of Obama's staff and appointments were also on the email list. In the above description, the word "jounalist" is used loosely.

[Guest]

This article condemns the GOP for trying to block democrat voters from the polls. I read it and feel they are simply trying to have voters be more qualified to vote. Two specifically that caught my eye are blocking felons and people without proper ID. I see that as a good thing. What am I missing?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830


Well, my dog is done doing his thing, so back to bed for me. See y'all tomorrow.

Didn't read the link......I never do cuz they are always slanted towards the posters point of view. But what you are probably missing is that voting is a right and the GOP is continually attempting to make it more difficult to excercise that right. It is a well known fact that low voter turn-out favors the GOP. So what better way to lower turn-out than to put up roadblocks. :cus:

[Guest]

Dale, if you don't, or as you said, "never do" read the links, how can you comment or contribute intelligently to the discussion the poster is offering?

[Guest]

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[Guest]

Dale, if you don't, or as you said, "never do" read the links, how can you comment or contribute intelligently to the discussion the poster is offering?

I can always comment, how intelligent that comment is is for the reader to determine. Those on the right would say I'm not very intelligent at all. :cus:

[Guest]

I can always comment, how intelligent that comment is is for the reader to determine. Those on the right would say I'm not very intelligent at all. :cus:
Not going to comment with that one.:cus:

What about Acorn harassing the voters at the booths?

[Guest]

I can always comment, how intelligent that comment is is for the reader to determine. Those on the right would say I'm not very intelligent at all. :cus:

Maybe the ones who comment on your intelligence aren't taking the time to read your entire posts. Without reading (or listening) to what someone is saying, it isn't really intelligent to comment on their views. If someone doesn't read and then comments, IMHO, their comments should be disregarded.

[Guest]

Maybe the ones who comment on your intelligence aren't taking the time to read your entire posts. Without reading (or listening) to what someone is saying, it isn't really intelligent to comment on their views. If someone doesn't read and then comments, IMHO, their comments should be disregarded.

Most of his posts are one sentence long. And usually short ones.

[Guest]

Didn't read the link......I never do cuz they are always slanted towards the posters point of view. But what you are probably missing is that voting is a right and the GOP is continually attempting to make it more difficult to excercise that right. It is a well known fact that low voter turn-out favors the GOP. So what better way to lower turn-out than to put up roadblocks. :cus:

Even without reading the link, I think you should be able to answer a really simple question.

You know that there are many times in your life you have to present proper identification in order to process a transaction, of some kind, for goods or services.

Do you think in order to vote in an American election that you should be required to show the proper identification to prove you have that privilege?

Because that is the crux of the article.

[Guest]

Maybe the ones who comment on your intelligence aren't taking the time to read your entire posts. Without reading (or listening) to what someone is saying, it isn't really intelligent to comment on their views. If someone doesn't read and then comments, IMHO, their comments should be disregarded.

Please disregard this post. :cus:

[Guest]

There are restrictions on all rights..
Free Speech.. fire in a crowded theatre; threats; slander
2nd Amendment gun rights; loaded; permits; automatic weapons
etc
If I need to present an ID to get a gun permit, why shouldn't I have to present an ID to vote?

[Guest]

Even without reading the link, I think you should be able to answer a really simple question.

You know that there are many times in your life you have to present proper identification in order to process a transaction, of some kind, for goods or services.

Do you think in order to vote in an American election that you should be required to show the proper identification to prove you have that privilege?

Because that is the crux of the article.

I don't disagree with the premise. However, in Wisconsin for example you must have a photo ID. Many low income and elderly people do not have photo ID's. The State has a program to provide them free but the Governor has instructed the department that issues the ID's to NOT let that program be known unless asked. They also closed several agencies that issure the ID's in Democratic leaning geographic areas. I think this is an example of putting up roadblocks to voting and the motivation certainly isn't to prevent felon or others ineligible to vote from voting. Do you dismiss this as being untrue? :cus:

[Guest]

See villagegolfer......more than one sentance. :cus:

[Guest]

I Positively believe in proper identification to vote. Too much fraud. That's how Kennedy won.

[Guest]

I don't disagree with the premise. However, in Wisconsin for example you must have a photo ID. Many low income and elderly people do not have photo ID's. The State has a program to provide them free but the Governor has instructed the department that issues the ID's to NOT let that program be known unless asked. They also closed several agencies that issure the ID's in Democratic leaning geographic areas. I think this is an example of putting up roadblocks to voting and the motivation certainly isn't to prevent felon or others ineligible to vote from voting. Do you dismiss this as being untrue? :cus:

Dale, low income and elderly people have to have the proper ID to receive Social Security benefits and/or other benefits from other government agencies. It is the same ID that is required to vote.

Wisconsin is one of seven states that I could find which will, or are currently, requiring what would be considered "strict photo ID" to vote. Seven others require photo ID but have exceptions.

And if I may ask, who is this "they" you are talking about? "They also closed several agencies..." The state legislators?
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16602

[Guest]

I Positively believe in proper identification to vote. Too much fraud. That's how Kennedy won.

I am going to have to leave the site for a few days and take a look at myself very closely. I have agreed with you three times in three days. Now I'm scarred.

[Guest]

I am going to have to leave the site for a few days and take a look at myself very closely. I have agreed with you three times in three days. Now I'm scarred.

Are you scarred or scared. I'm both sometimes in this forum. lol jk

[Guest]

JimJoe, just where in the 2d Amendment does it way you can't not own a fully automatic weapon?

Anyone can own a fullly automatic weapon. Here's all you have to do.

1. To be transferrable for private ownership, it must have been made before May 19, 1986.
2. You must live in one of the civilized states that permit machinegun ownership.
3. Individual ownership does require a law enforcement signature, vertifying there is no state or local law that would prohibit ownership. It may be signed by the Chief of Police, Sheriff where you reside, or The Head of the State Police or a District Attorney. It IS NOT a permission slip ! They MUST review your application and sign it unless they supply you a lawful reason for non-ownership. The best reason to state on the transfer is INVESTMENT.
4. You pay in advance for the machinegun and the serial number is listed on the form.
5. After LE sign off, your Class 3 dealer signs it, you attach 2 Passport photos and 2 sets of FBI finger-print cards and your $ 200 .
6. You wait an average of 3 months from then to get approval.
7. Approval for transfer comes back to the dealer and he calls you to come & get your machinegun.
8. The exception to the LE signature is IF you have an LLC or Corporation to register the machinegun to, a LE signature is not required. These are faster and get done in 30 to 45 days.

Basically, if you can pass a NICS check and are in a legal state, you are all set.

Hope that solves some of the mystery about machineguns !

Is it worth the hassle, not for me, besides who can afford the ammunition need to feed one of these at todays cost.

[Guest]

Are you scarred or scared. I'm both sometimes in this forum. lol jk

Darn spell check nows nothing about gramaerer.

[Guest]

JimJoe, just where in the 2d Amendment does it way you can't not own a fully automatic weapon?

Anyone can own a fullly automatic weapon. Here's all you have to do.

1. To be transferrable for private ownership, it must have been made before May 19, 1986.
2. You must live in one of the civilized states that permit machinegun ownership.
3. Individual ownership does require a law enforcement signature, vertifying there is no state or local law that would prohibit ownership. It may be signed by the Chief of Police, Sheriff where you reside, or The Head of the State Police or a District Attorney. It IS NOT a permission slip ! They MUST review your application and sign it unless they supply you a lawful reason for non-ownership. The best reason to state on the transfer is INVESTMENT.
4. You pay in advance for the machinegun and the serial number is listed on the form.
5. After LE sign off, your Class 3 dealer signs it, you attach 2 Passport photos and 2 sets of FBI finger-print cards and your $ 200 .
6. You wait an average of 3 months from then to get approval.
7. Approval for transfer comes back to the dealer and he calls you to come & get your machinegun.
8. The exception to the LE signature is IF you have an LLC or Corporation to register the machinegun to, a LE signature is not required. These are faster and get done in 30 to 45 days.

Basically, if you can pass a NICS check and are in a legal state, you are all set.

Hope that solves some of the mystery about machineguns !

Is it worth the hassle, not for me, besides who can afford the ammunition need to feed one of these at todays cost.

Did I say you could not own automatic weapons or have free speech. etc..
No.. I said there are reasonable regulations just like voter ID laws.. to make sure the exercise of our rights do not infringe upon the rights of others.

[Guest]

Dale, low income and elderly people have to have the proper ID to receive Social Security benefits and/or other benefits from other government agencies. It is the same ID that is required to vote.

Wisconsin is one of seven states that I could find which will, or are currently, requiring what would be considered "strict photo ID" to vote. Seven others require photo ID but have exceptions.

And if I may ask, who is this "they" you are talking about? "They also closed several agencies..." The state legislators?
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16602

Isn't that something......I've always wondered who "they" are? They say this, they say that....it's a term so often used without knowledge of who "they" really are. In this case, it is the Scott Walker administration. :cus:

[Guest]

I don't disagree with the premise. However, in Wisconsin for example you must have a photo ID. Many low income and elderly people do not have photo ID's. The State has a program to provide them free but the Governor has instructed the department that issues the ID's to NOT let that program be known unless asked. They also closed several agencies that issure the ID's in Democratic leaning geographic areas. I think this is an example of putting up roadblocks to voting and the motivation certainly isn't to prevent felon or others ineligible to vote from voting. Do you dismiss this as being untrue? :cus:

And the point is.................? I am certain that Dems believe that they can skirt many voting rules by ignorning the photo ID issue. Otherwise, they would have the likes of ACORN, black panthers, ACLU volunteers, hollywood stars George Soros Jesse jackson and many others promoting the photo ID rule including Steve Speilberg making a video free promo for the Dems.

In reality the so called poor folks for some reason at at any given time have to produce a photo ID card to garner entitlements. Please let's get real here


I also believe that they need to make adjustments to the elctoral college. Presently popular votes mean a candidate wins all of the State's electoral votes. I believe a candidate is entitled to the electoral votes for any district he/she win within a state. this has the effect of making it more of a grass root inititative

[Guest]

And the point is.................? I am certain that Dems believe that they can skirt many voting rules by ignorning the photo ID issue. Otherwise, they would have the likes of ACORN, black panthers, ACLU volunteers, hollywood stars George Soros Jesse jackson and many others promoting the photo ID rule including Steve Speilberg making a video free promo for the Dems.

In reality the so called poor folks for some reason at at any given time have to produce a photo ID card to garner entitlements. Please let's get real here


I also believe that they need to make adjustments to the elctoral college. Presently popular votes mean a candidate wins all of the State's electoral votes. I believe a candidate is entitled to the electoral votes for any district he/she win within a state. this has the effect of making it more of a grass root inititative

The point is Republicans will do just about anything to try to avoid a level playing field. :cus:

[Guest]

The point is Republicans will do just about anything to try to avoid a level playing field. :cus:

What a laugh. Republicans have never had a level playing field. Lamestream media has seen to that.:cool:

[Guest]

It has always been to the advantage of the Republican party to have as few people voting as possible. It is no coincidence that the voter suppression laws are being passed in red states and I do include Wisconsin in that group.

It was a Republican idea to mandate voting machines with no paper trail and no access to the computer program code by election boards or anyone else.

[Guest]

The point is Republicans will do just about anything to try to avoid a level playing field. :cus:

Well I guess we could hire Acorn thugs to suppress the votes. Oh no, the Democrats do that!!!! Where is my head????

[Guest]

What a laugh. Republicans have never had a level playing field. Lamestream media has seen to that.:cool:

I agree that the media is left of center. I think that it has something to do with the fact that they read and write books. The Republicans are countering that slant. They have given us Sean, Rush, and Fox News. Who needs books when you have "Fair and Balanced".

[Guest]

I agree that the media is left of center. I think that it has something to do with the fact that they read and write books. The Republicans are countering that slant. They have given us Sean, Rush, and Fox News. Who needs books when you have "Fair and Balanced".

They read and write books? Oh, I see now, all republicans are cavemen without the capacity to read and write.Yea, that makes sense.chilout

[Guest]

Let's make this discussion generic. Do you agree or disagree that what is of paramount importance is that the country establishes a voting system that cannot be manipulative at least to a point where we really have one vote per citizen, an alive one at that. We criticize third world countries for their rigged voting systems and ours is not much better.

Perhaps if some are against a photo ID we could go the way of Iraq and dip voters thumbs in hard to wash ink to identify that they have already voted.

having said that do you agree or disagree that a candidate should be entitled to district's electoral votes he/she earned rather than handing over the enteire state votes to a single candidate?

I want to be proud and confident in our voting system and will agree to changes such as the photo ID that protect its legitimacy. I also agree that a candidate is entitled to the electoral votes for the district he/she wins because its more grass roots.

[Guest]

Let's make this discussion generic. Do you agree or disagree that what is of paramount importance is that the country establishes a voting system that cannot be manipulative at least to a point where we really have one vote per citizen, an alive one at that. We criticize third world countries for their rigged voting systems and ours is not much better.

Perhaps if some are against a photo ID we could go the way of Iraq and dip voters thumbs in hard to wash ink to identify that they have already voted.

having said that do you agree or disagree that a candidate should be entitled to district's electoral votes he/she earned rather than handing over the enteire state votes to a single candidate?

I want to be proud and confident in our voting system and will agree to changes such as the photo ID that protect its legitimacy. I also agree that a candidate is entitled to the electoral votes for the district he/she wins because its more grass roots.

Walk me through this, Rubicon.
1. Do you agree or disagree that what is of paramount importance is that the country establishes a voting system that cannot be manipulative at least to a point where we really have one vote per citizen, an alive one at that. We criticize third world countries for their rigged voting systems and ours is not much better.

Why do you believe that? I don't think I agree with that statement. Am I missing something?

[Guest]

I do not ever remember showing my ID before I voted.

[Guest]

They read and write books? Oh, I see now, all republicans are cavemen without the capacity to read and write.Yea, that makes sense.chilout

Sinclair Lewis once said in It Can't Happen Here:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Whose political party does this more closely resemble, mine or yours? Fascism in Europe made unions illegal and punished dissent severely.

Of course there are intelligent Republicans. When you watch FOX, ask yourself these questions; Does tort reform really benefit me, or limit my options? Will the recognition of global warming cost corporations money? What other opinions are FOX forming for me that will save big business big money? Putting down trade unions? Calling Social Security a "Ponzi Scheme"? Forcing the states to buy voting machines that leave no paper trail?

[Guest]

Sinclair Lewis once said in It Can't Happen Here:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Whose political party does this more closely resemble, mine or yours? Fascism in Europe made unions illegal and punished dissent severely.

Of course there are intelligent Republicans. When you watch FOX, ask yourself these questions; Does tort reform really benefit me, or limit my options? Will the recognition of global warming cost corporations money? What other opinions are FOX forming for me that will save big business big money? Putting down trade unions? Calling Social Security a "Ponzi Scheme"? Forcing the states to buy voting machines that leave no paper trail?
First off, who cares what Sinclair Lewis says.
There is very little, if any, man made Global Warming. Real scientists recognize that the earth is cycling warm and cooling for centuries.
Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme. It will tumble when 78 million Baby Boomers retire.
Trade Unions have served their purpose and are now just thugs.

Anything else?

[Guest]

yes there is something else. I disagree with everything you just posted. But that should come as no surprise.

[Guest]

First off, who cares what Sinclair Lewis says.
There is very little, if any, man made Global Warming. Real scientists recognize that the earth is cycling warm and cooling for centuries.
Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme. It will tumble when 78 million Baby Boomers retire.
Trade Unions have served their purpose and are now just thugs.

Anything else?

How's that Kool-Aid taste? :cus:

[Guest]

yes there is something else. I disagree with everything you just posted. But that should come as no surprise.

Like a pesty little bug, I ignore it.

[Guest]

There can be no plausible reason for objecting to the showing of valid identification in order to vote, which is the most sacred privilege and duty of citizenship.

The only logical reason to object to this is to want to somehow scam the system.

What other reason can there be? I find it hard to believe that there's an argument to this being a requirement to vote.

[Guest]

Not going to comment with that one.:cus:

What about Acorn harassing the voters at the booths?

I think you have this one wrong....it was the 2 Black Panthers....not Acorn.

[Guest]

Dale, low income and elderly people have to have the proper ID to receive Social Security benefits and/or other benefits from other government agencies. It is the same ID that is required to vote.

Wisconsin is one of seven states that I could find which will, or are currently, requiring what would be considered "strict photo ID" to vote. Seven others require photo ID but have exceptions.

And if I may ask, who is this "they" you are talking about? "They also closed several agencies..." The state legislators?
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16602

Ok ..... here is what really happened to a 96 year old women in Tennessee. Don't think this is a socialist paper.... This women has voted in every election but one since she was eligible to vote. She has never driven. She was denied the voter ID card.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2011/10/05/state-insists-dorothy-cooper-still-must-prove-her-last-name-is-cooper/

[Guest]

First off, who cares what Sinclair Lewis says.
There is very little, if any, man made Global Warming. Real scientists recognize that the earth is cycling warm and cooling for centuries.
Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme. It will tumble when 78 million Baby Boomers retire.
Trade Unions have served their purpose and are now just thugs.

Anything else?

It's annoying when someone makes you think outside of your neat little box isn't it?

1. Sinclair Lewis won the Nobel prize in Literature. To ignore what he said is nothing to be proud of.
2. Real scientists?
3. The politicians are cowardly enough to make the wealthy minority pay for the SS benefits of the many. We found the money for IRAQ, we will find it for SS.
4. In the 1950s 37% of the private work force was unionized. That percentage is down to 8 now. Benefits and salaries are sliding downward with the percentages.
5. The real thugs bundled sub-prime mortgages into packages and sold them, and then took out insurance against their own products. Is that consistent with fiduciary responsibility?

I think that your responses are regurgitated FOX news reports, and not indicative of independent thought.
You reacted in a predictable manner to every one of the topics that I brought up.

Wait! You missed one. Why are you in favor of tort reform?

[Guest]

It's annoying when someone makes you think outside of your neat little box isn't it?

1. Sinclair Lewis won the Nobel prize in Literature. To ignore what he said is nothing to be proud of.
2. Real scientists?
3. The politicians are cowardly enough to make the wealthy minority pay for the SS benefits of the many. We found the money for IRAQ, we will find it for SS.
4. In the 1950s 37% of the private work force was unionized. That percentage is down to 8 now. Benefits and salaries are sliding downward with the percentages.
5. The real thugs bundled sub-prime mortgages into packages and sold them, and then took out insurance against their own products. Is that consistent with fiduciary responsibility?

I think that your responses are regurgitated FOX news reports, and not indicative of independent thought.
You reacted in a predictable manner to every one of the topics that I brought up.

Liberals are so condescending. I wonder why. Must be their false sense of superiority or their lack of knowledge?

1) Obama won nobel peace prize, nuff said about nobel, huh?
2) Many scientists believe the activities of our sun controls our climate cycle.
All planets in our solar system are warmer now, Coincidence?
3)We have not found any money, we borrow 42 cents of every dollare we spend.
4)The correlation of wages and unions is bogus.
5) Fannie Mae with the help of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are responsible for the melt down.

I have plenty of independent thought and I think that there are people with pompous attitude that must come form PBS,NBC, CNN.

You should take your own advice and think outside of the box.

[Guest]

It's annoying when someone makes you think outside of your neat little box isn't it?

.........
4. In the 1950s 37% of the private work force was unionized. That percentage is down to 8 now. Benefits and salaries are sliding downward with the percentages. ........
.........

Uh huh. And what percentage of the private work force is now involved in MANUFACTURING production, as compared to the 1950's?????

[Guest]

Liberals are so condescending. I wonder why. Must be their false sense of superiority or their lack of knowledge?

1) Obama won nobel peace prize, nuff said about nobel, huh?
2) Many scientists believe the activities of our sun controls our climate cycle.
All planets in our solar system are warmer now, Coincidence?
3)We have not found any money, we borrow 42 cents of every dollare we spend.
4)The correlation of wages and unions is bogus.
5) Fannie Mae with the help of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are responsible for the melt down.

I have plenty of independent thought and I think that there are people with pompous attitude that must come form PBS,NBC, CNN.

You should take your own advice and think outside of the box.

Have some more Kool-Aid. :boom:

[Guest]

Have some more Kool-Aid. :boom:

Another personal attack? You need a vacation.

[Guest]

Another personal attack? You need a vacation.

villagegolfer, I wish this forum had a button that gave points for "liking" an answer. I'd give you 90. That is good!

[Guest]

villagegolfer, I wish this forum had a button that gave points for "liking" an answer. I'd give you 90. That is good!

Thank-you bk, I always admired your thoughtful and precise posts. You are a breath of fresh air.

PS. You should read the nasty PM I received an hour ago from a disgruntled lefty. He/she gave me a zero.:1rotfl:

[Guest]

Thank-you bk, I always admired your thoughtful and precise posts. You are a breath of fresh air.

PS. You should read the nasty PM I received an hour ago from a disgruntled lefty. He/she gave me a zero.:1rotfl:

Wasn't me....

[Guest]

Wasn't me....


You? A disgruntled leftie? Never for one nanosecond would I believe that, cologal. I take you for a rightie with about good putting game.

[Guest]

Ok ..... here is what really happened to a 96 year old women in Tennessee. Don't think this is a socialist paper.... This women has voted in every election but one since she was eligible to vote. She has never driven. She was denied the voter ID card.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2011/10/05/state-insists-dorothy-cooper-still-must-prove-her-last-name-is-cooper/

Well, it's a shame that Ms. Cooper hasn't had a valid ID for all these years and that the new procedures have her caught up, but in the interest of fairness she's going to have to straighten our her paperwork.

[Guest]

What the heck?! We have had to show picture ID to vote for the last 15 years or more! I do like the idea of of the ink on the thumb to prevent going back for seconds tho.

[Guest]

Uh huh. And what percentage of the private work force is now involved in MANUFACTURING production, as compared to the 1950's?????

I think that I know where you are going with this. I acknowledge that manufacturing is way down in the USA, but blaming the unions goes too far. It must be remembered that it was the unions that allowed the establishment of the middle class. We no longer must buy our goods at the company store with company scrip.

I think that the fault lies with the failure of our government to recognize that wholesale expansion of trade with the third world would ruin our standard of living. Perhaps this ignorance on the part of our government was by design, and at the behest of the the multi-nationals. Paul Krugman another Nobel-Prize winner suggested that we divide the world into enterprise zones to protect the standard of living of the American people.

[Guest]

Well, it's a shame that Ms. Cooper hasn't had a valid ID for all these years and that the new procedures have her caught up, but in the interest of fairness she's going to have to straighten our her paperwork.

In the interest of fairness....she has her birth certificate has been registered for what 70 years? This 96 year old women went in with a boatload of papers well in advance because she did want her right to vote taken away.

And 17 counties in Tennessee don't even have a DAV office which is the only place you can get the voter ID card.

This is voter suppression clear and simple.

[Guest]

5) Fannie Mae with the help of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are responsible for the melt down.


It is not my intent to annoy you. It is my intent to draw out the truth and see which arguments hold more water.

Now with regard to #5, You must see "Inside Job". It is available from Netflix. You may enjoy it. Along with the others it indicts the Obama administration for hiring the same leftover economists from the Bush Administration.

[Guest]

What the heck?! We have had to show picture ID to vote for the last 15 years or more! I do like the idea of of the ink on the thumb to prevent going back for seconds tho.

OMG...don't voters in Kenya get ink on their thumb? :boom:

[Guest]

Uh huh. And what percentage of the private work force is now involved in MANUFACTURING production, as compared to the 1950's?????

Very good point. I was brought up in manufacturing circles, and I can tell you that it is all but gone.:cus:

[Guest]

According to an article in today's paper, Wall Street gave it's largest campaign donation in history to Obama, who in turn bailed out the banks. In the article it jokingly called Goldman Sachs the fourth branch of government.

[Guest]

Interesting reading tip ~Gretchen Morgenson's "RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT". A central figure in the book is Jim Johnson. He just happens to be on the board at Goldman Sachs and also just happens to be former CEO of Fannie Mae. Hmmm....
So add the name Jim Johnson to Chris Dodd and Barney Frankenbean.