Jobs Not Cuts Rally at LSL

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Perhaps you will consider this political although it is non-partisan. If the administrators feel it should be in Political, then move it, please.

I am thrilled with the turnout of the MoveOn.org rally of the American Dream Jobs not Cuts rally held at LSL tonight. If you weren't there, you missed a successful rally that caught the eyes of everyone at the Square. Janet Tutt (is that her name?) was there and agreed it was an honorable event. This is only the beginning.

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Perhaps you will consider this political although it is non-partisan. If the administrators feel it should be in Political, then move it, please.

I am thrilled with the turnout of the MoveOn.org rally of the American Dream Jobs not Cuts rally held at LSL tonight. If you weren't there, you missed a successful rally that caught the eyes of everyone at the Square. Janet Tutt (is that her name?) was there and agreed it was an honorable event. This is only the beginning.

Moveon.org is an extreme left-wing organization financed by George Soros? Only the beginning?

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/iris-somberg/2011/10/14/36-million-soros-aids-groups-support-promote-occupy-wall-street

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Moveon.org is an extreme left-wing organization financed by George Soros? Only the beginning?

You could of said that partly offsets the extreme right-wing show financed by Rupert Murdock last month at the square.

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Only Right Turns are permitted in The Villages, hence the traffic circles!

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Don't you curve "left" in the circles? :1rotfl:

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The circles are Bi! You can swing right or you can swing left! It all depends on where you're coming from or where you're going to!

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You could of said that partly offsets the extreme right-wing show financed by Rupert Murdock last month at the square.

Which one are you referring to? Links please.

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MoveOn.org at LSL? I'm sure there was lots of attention for the people assembled. Kind of like rubbernecking an accident on I-75. Big crowds there too.

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MoveOn.org at LSL? I'm sure there was lots of attention for the people assembled. Kind of like rubbernecking an accident on I-75. Big crowds there too.

:1rotfl: Why can't I think of stuff like that. Your a hoot!!!

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:1rotfl: Why can't I think of stuff like that. Your a hoot!!!

Keep it up you two and this will be moved to Political. It would be there already with the old administration.:duck:

I glimpsed the rally for just a second on Wesh 2 news last night and wondered what it was. I thought it looked like a lot of young people and still I don't understand what exactly was the purpose. Can someone tell us more?

Jobs not cuts? What does that mean and are you sure it is Moveon.org? And what is Moveon.org???

I can hardly believe that any left leaning anything would be allowed by the owners. Janet Tutt was there? That sounds very official.

Will wonders never cease here?

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You could have said that partly offsets the extreme right-wing show financed by Rupert Murdock last month at the square.

:BigApplause:

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I think the flopz have flipped.

Move it to Political.........I'm just sayin'.............

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From Wikipedia:

MoveOn is an American non-profit, progressive[1] or liberal[2][3] public policy advocacy group and political action committee, which has raised millions of dollars for candidates it identifies as "moderates" or "progressives" in the United States. It was formed in 1998 in response to the impeachment of President Bill Clinton by the U.S. House of Representatives.[1]

According to an article in the Washington Post dated March 10, 2004:

"The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros who gave $1.46 million to MoveOn.org Voter Fund (in the form of matching funds to recruit additional small donors); Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $500,000 to MoveOn.org Voter Fund; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee."[17]

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:1rotfl: Why can't I think of stuff like that. Your a hoot!!!

Guess you're busy with your correspondence typing course.

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Guess you're busy with your correspondence typing course.

Personal attack? Perhaps you need a "time-out"?

[Guest]

Perhaps you will consider this political although it is non-partisan. If the administrators feel it should be in Political, then move it, please.

I am thrilled with the turnout of the MoveOn.org rally of the American Dream Jobs not Cuts rally held at LSL tonight. If you weren't there, you missed a successful rally that caught the eyes of everyone at the Square. Janet Tutt (is that her name?) was there and agreed it was an honorable event. This is only the beginning.

Oh, is that what was going on? Saw it from the vantage point of City Fire, and the consensus there was that it must be the Village Idiots. They all seemed very confused about what they were marching for - or against. :blahblahblah:

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The Move On Organization is a "left wing" group. The "jobs not cuts" movement is not. It is a non partisan movement. This is a movement where the left, right and the middle have "joined" together to try to make people/congress aware of the problem in our country with outsourcing of jobs.

This is also what the Occupy Wall Street movement is about.

First I don't understand why one group being discussed in the open forum of TOTV would be OK, but another would have to go to political.

Second, this is a non-partisan "movement" and I for on am happy to see the three groups come together in agreement to work to fix anything. :clap2::clap2::clap2:

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Oh, is that what was going on? Saw it from the vantage point of City Fire, and the consensus there was that it must be the Village Idiots. They all seemed very confused about what they were marching for - or against. :blahblahblah:

Really??? Was that nice?

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The Move On Organization is a "left wing" group. The "jobs not cuts" movement is not. It is a non partisan movement. This is a movement where the left, right and the middle have "joined" together to try to make people/congress aware of the problem in our country with outsourcing of jobs.

This is also what the Occupy Wall Street movement is about.

First I don't understand why one group being discussed in the open forum of TOTV would be OK, but another would have to go to political.

Second, this is a non-partisan "movement" and I for on am happy to see the three groups come together in agreement to work to fix anything. :clap2::clap2::clap2:


I suggest that you dig a little deeper. It is not non-partisan. There is proof that people were paid to be there. Also, many union participations.

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As much interested in the politics of this year I think this type of demonstrations should be kept out of the squares.You are just asking for trouble here and I was hoping this wouldnt happen here. We dont need these young punks here or thugs if you will. It will only get worse.

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As much interested in the politics of this year I think this type of demonstrations should be kept out of the squares.You are just asking for trouble here and I was hoping this wouldnt happen here. We dont need these young punks here or thugs if you will. It will only get worse.


Again???? Name calling? No one even wants to be nice?

I for one support trying to bring the jobs back into the country. Why would that be in the punk or a thug category?

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I'd just like to set the record straight. The only "young people" at the rally were my son, grandson and granddaughter (she's only 5 months old). The rest were senior citizens. As far as I can tell, there were no active union members there (some retirees may have been members when they were working). I seriously doubt if anyone was paid to be there. I wasn't. The only name calling came from people who were not part of the rally. There were democrats, republicans and independents who had a unifying concern: the level of unemployment and the lack of action by our government. I find the hostility display by some of the people here surprising. I promise not to be hostile if you want to hold a rally and express your concerns.

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First I don't understand why one group being discussed in the open forum of TOTV would be OK, but another would have to go to political.



Personally, I think they should all go to Political......and when you're over there, please please remember that famous word, "RESPECT".

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No only not hostile, I want to hear what everyone has to say. I can't learn if I don't listen. I was lucky in my job to be at events where all sides were represented. You would be surprised how many good ideas come from all sides.

This event was about saving jobs. Do we really care where it comes from? Can we band together and try to get along? Can we do this for the kids?

I'm glad to see everyone represented in TV. If TV is open to "everyone" to live, why wouldn't all sides be there?

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I'd just like to set the record straight. The only "young people" at the rally were my son, grandson and granddaughter (she's only 5 months old). The rest were senior citizens. As far as I can tell, there were no active union members there (some retirees may have been members when they were working). I seriously doubt if anyone was paid to be there. I wasn't. The only name calling came from people who were not part of the rally. There were democrats, republicans and independents who had a unifying concern: the level of unemployment and the lack of action by our government. I find the hostility display by some of the people here surprising. I promise not to be hostile if you want to hold a rally and express your concerns.

Are you sure that MoveOn.org was the sponsor?

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Are you sure that MoveOn.org was the sponsor?

Yesterdays event was listed on the moveon.org website, as a "Jobs Not Cuts" event. I believe there was a local host.

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Yesterdays event was listed on the moveon.org website, as a "Jobs Not Cuts" event. I believe there was a local host.

I think people should dig a little deeper. I suspect there is good intentions expressed by concerned citizens, but they could be misinformed and "used" by the media.

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If the socialist party of America was hosting a " Jobs for America" rally would you endorse that?

If the Communist Party of America was sponsoring the rally would you endorse it??

You have to look behind the nice sounding names and slogans and find out who the people are who are pulling the strings and what their real agenda is'

Look at pictures of the mobs on wall street. Would you feel comfortable having those type of people camped in the town squares??

I remember all of the nice sounding names the collage professors gave to the campus organizations ( ie. Students for a Democratic Society) Than they would get all of the kids to go out and demonstrate to support what aver the leftest professors agenda was!!

Wake up people!!! Most of us remember the sixties!! I would wager that many of today's protesters are the same original protesters then are still organizing and attending these leftest rallies!

Moveon.org is a far left, Geo. Soros funded organization dedicated to changing our American way of life that we grew up in to something you would think of a third world country.

It's sad on how fast people would surrender to this........very sad

This thread should deffinatly be moved to the political descussion :thumbup:

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THE link below which is from Peoples World, which is the web news site of the Communist Party of America explains a bit about this strong pro union movement and may explain...

http://peoplesworld.org/jobs-not-cuts-unions-join-occupy-chicago/

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Personally, I think they should all go to Political......and when you're over there, please please remember that famous word, "RESPECT".

:agree:

[Guest]

Perhaps you will consider this political although it is non-partisan. If the administrators feel it should be in Political, then move it, please.

I am thrilled with the turnout of the MoveOn.org rally of the American Dream Jobs not Cuts rally held at LSL tonight. If you weren't there, you missed a successful rally that caught the eyes of everyone at the Square. Janet Tutt (is that her name?) was there and agreed it was an honorable event. This is only the beginning.


Too bad it got no press and the walkers were not allowed onto the (my) square (trespassing). We're not FOX news I guess!

[Guest]

Perhaps you will consider this political although it is non-partisan. If the administrators feel it should be in Political, then move it, please.

I am thrilled with the turnout of the MoveOn.org rally of the American Dream Jobs not Cuts rally held at LSL tonight. If you weren't there, you missed a successful rally that caught the eyes of everyone at the Square. Janet Tutt (is that her name?) was there and agreed it was an honorable event. This is only the beginning.

I haven't heard anything about the rally. Do you have any information about the local organization(s) who organized this rally? A link perhaps. Thanks.

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I am pleased, reading the posts on this topic, to see that there seem to be more people in The Villages who share my views and values than I had thought and I am pleased to see that they have expressed themselves on this topic. :mademyday:

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Unfortunately its discussions like this why I had to terminate my political forums membership after a couple of weeks.

John

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THE link below which is from Peoples World, which is the web news site of the Communist Party of America explains a bit about this strong pro union movement and may explain...

http://peoplesworld.org/jobs-not-cuts-unions-join-occupy-chicago/

Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him?

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:popcorn:

Bill :)

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:popcorn:

Bill :)

I don't know any more than when I asked the question at the beginning of this thread which has become very long. Just the same old same old from the same old. With a few wonderful and interesting postings too.

Are they left or are they right or are they...JUST right?

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From the link I supplied earlier in this thread....

"Unions and community groups organized a rousing finish to a week of actions on jobs and corporate greed here Oct. 14. Hundreds marched and picketed Bank of America and then Chicago's Board of Trade and Federal Reserve Bank, the site of Occupy Chicago.

"Jobs, not cuts," chanted Bob Reiter, secretary-treasurer of the Chicago Federation of Labor to the starting rally at Federal Plaza. He then added, "We are one," the labor movement's unity chant.

"The labor movement stands in solidarity with the people occupying Wall Street, Boston and Chicago. One percent control the wealth and the political agenda of this country," he told the rally.

Reiter told PeoplesWorld.org that in order to pass a jobs bill it's less about the strategy in D.C., and "more about the people, the 99%, in the country."

"The labor movement never took its eye off the ball" in terms of the economy and jobs, he said. The occupy movements, he said, and the labor movement "joined together" on these issues."

http://peoplesworld.org/jobs-not-cuts-unions-join-occupy-chicago/

Notice key words..."labor movement"....."community groups".....PeoplesWorld,org (communist newspaper)...pretty clear, no ?

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/14/understanding-occupy-wall-street/?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_%27Occupy_Wall_Street%27_--_It%27s_Not_What_They%27re_for%2C_But_What_They%27 re_Against

Critics of the growing Occupy Wall Street (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/14/understanding-occupy-wall-street/?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_%27Occupy_Wall_Street%27_--_It%27s_Not_What_They%27re_for%2C_But_What_They%27 re_Against#) movement complain that the protesters don’t have a policy agenda and, therefore, don’t stand for anything. They're wrong. The key isn’t what protesters are for but rather what they’re against -- the gaping inequality that has poisoned our economy, our politics and our nation.

In America today, 400 people have more wealth (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/14/understanding-occupy-wall-street/?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_%27Occupy_Wall_Street%27_--_It%27s_Not_What_They%27re_for%2C_But_What_They%27 re_Against#) than the bottom 150 million combined. That’s not because 150 million Americans are pathetically lazy or even unlucky. In fact, Americans have been working harder than ever -- productivity has risen in the last several decades. Big business profits and CEO bonuses have also gone up. Worker salaries, however, have declined.

Most of the Occupy Wall Street protesters aren’t opposed to free market capitalism. In fact, what they want is an end to the crony capitalist system now in place, that makes it easier for the rich and powerful to get even more rich and powerful while making it increasingly hard for the rest of us to get by. The protesters are not anti-American radicals. They are the defenders of the American Dream, the decision from the birth of our nation that success should be determined by hard work not royal bloodlines.

Sure, bank executives may work a lot harder than you and me or a mother of three doing checkout at a grocery store. Maybe the bankers work ten times harder. Maybe even a hundred times harder. But they’re compensated a thousand times more.
The question is not how Occupy Wall Street protesters can find that gross discrepancy immoral. The question is why every one of us isn’t protesting with them.

According to polls, most Americans support the 99% movement, even if they’re not taking to the streets. In fact, support for the Occupy Wall Street protests is not only higher than for either political party (http://bit.ly/oEhwPw) in Washington but greater than support for the Tea Party (http://nyti.ms/ozgxoB). And unlike the Tea Party (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/tea-party.htm#r_src=ramp) which was fueled by national conservative donors and institutions, the Occupy Wall Street Movement is spreading organically from Idaho to Indiana. Institutions on the left, including unions, have been relatively late to the game.

Ironically, the original Boston Tea Party activists would likely support Occupy Wall Street more as well. Note that the original Tea Party (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/14/understanding-occupy-wall-street/?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_%27Occupy_Wall_Street%27_--_It%27s_Not_What_They%27re_for%2C_But_What_They%27 re_Against#) didn’t protest taxes, merely the idea of taxation without representation -- and they were actually protesting the crown-backed monopoly of the East India (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/india.htm#r_src=ramp) Company, the main big business of the day.

Americans today also support taxes. In fact, two-thirds of voters -- including a majority of Republicans -- support increasing taxes on the rich (http://on.msnbc.com/n7qbW4), something the Occupy Wall Street protests implicitly support. That’s not just anarchist lefty kids. Soccer moms and construction workers and, yes, even some bankers want to see our economy work for the 99%, not just the 1%, and are flocking to Occupy protests in droves.
I’ve even met a number of Libertarians and Tea Party conservatives at these protests. So the critics are right, the Occupy Wall Street movement isn’t the Tea Party (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/14/understanding-occupy-wall-street/?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_%27Occupy_Wall_Street%27_--_It%27s_Not_What_They%27re_for%2C_But_What_They%27 re_Against#). Occupy Wall Street is much, much broader.

Maybe it’s hard to see your best interests reflected in a sometimes rag-tag, inarticulate, imperfect group of protesters. But make no mistake about it: While horrendous inequality is not an American tradition, protest is.And if you’re part of the 99% of underpaid or unemployed Americans crushed in the current economy, the Occupy Wall Street protests are your best chance at fixing the broken economy (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/14/understanding-occupy-wall-street/?cmpid=cmty_fb_Gigya_%27Occupy_Wall_Street%27_--_It%27s_Not_What_They%27re_for%2C_But_What_They%27 re_Against#) that is breaking your back.

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The "Left" has been so jealous of the success of the Tea Party that they have been trying everything they can to TRY to capture that success.

They were caught flat footed because they thought that only the "left" were able to function as protesters. Usually driven in by bus, or forced to attend by unions, or paid to attend by a Soros organization.

Good Luck, it isn't having any effect.

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OK... make this a political party issue.... If it makes you feel better. *shrug*

If you hear what they are saying and read the signs, you will not find one sign that points to any political party. When this movement first started, the right said it was their movement and now it's the left. I've seen groups from both sides yeah it and both sides nae it!

I don't know why it ALWAYS has to be US against THEM. Maybe you are all right... I'm stupid because I think we are all a part of this country. I think we could learn by listening to each other and learning from each other.

Now... can we try to put our heads together and figure out how to bring the jobs back to this country for our children???

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"Adbusters founders cheer their Occupy idea

The Canadian Press Posted: Oct 14, 2011 12:53 AM ET Last Updated: Oct 14, 2011 10:34 PM ET

With roots that reach as far as Cairo's fertile Tahrir Square, the Occupy protests roiling Wall Street will finally come full circle this weekend as they blossom in Canada, where they were conceived by Vancouver-based Adbusters.

Just a few short months ago, staff members at Adbusters' magazine — one of the seminal agents of the modern-day culture-jamming movement — watched, rapt, as scores of ordinary Egyptians took to the streets to depose a dictator and end decades of brutal repression at the hands of their government.

"We had sort of a communal, 'Aha!' moment," Adbusters co-founder Kalle Lasn recalled in an interview.

"We started wondering whether the same kind of tools that were used in Egypt, and the sort of regime-change philosophy, couldn't be applied to America."

The ensuing conversation eventually led to the Occupy Wall Street movement, an international uprising against economic inequality and corporate influence on the U.S. federal government.

The campaign, which began on Sept. 17 as an occupation of Manhattan's Zuccotti Park, has generated waves that have engulfed dozens of American cities and spread to countries around the world.

On Saturday, it arrives in several Canadian cities, including Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/14/occupy-canada-adbusters.html

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OK... make this a political party issue.... If it makes you feel better. *shrug*

If you hear what they are saying and read the signs, you will not find one sign that points to any political party. When this movement first started, the right said it was their movement and now it's the left. I've seen groups from both sides yeah it and both sides nae it!

I don't know why it ALWAYS has to be US against THEM. Maybe you are all right... I'm stupid because I think we are all a part of this country. I think we could learn by listening to each other and learning from each other.

Now... can we try to put our heads together and figure out how to bring the jobs back to this country for our children???

Could you please supply a link to validate this comment in your post...

"When this movement first started, the right said it was their movement"

The movement in question...ie., the jobs not cuts group was very much the ongoing marriage of Moveon and the union movement !

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Could you please supply a link to validate this comment in your post...

"When this movement first started, the right said it was their movement"

The movement in question...ie., the jobs not cuts group was very much the ongoing marriage of Moveon and the union movement !


Sorry... I wasn't talking specifically about the "jobs not cuts" movement I was talking about the bigger movement "Occupy". I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

As pointed out in another post. This isn't just in the US, the Occupy is worldwide. While it is about many things it is very much about jobs.

I know (again I'm talking stupid), but, why wouldn't we be at least "trying" to work for the same goal?

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OK... make this a political party issue.... If it makes you feel better. *shrug*

If you hear what they are saying and read the signs, you will not find one sign that points to any political party. When this movement first started, the right said it was their movement and now it's the left. I've seen groups from both sides yeah it and both sides nae it!

I don't know why it ALWAYS has to be US against THEM. Maybe you are all right... I'm stupid because I think we are all a part of this country. I think we could learn by listening to each other and learning from each other.

Now... can we try to put our heads together and figure out how to bring the jobs back to this country for our children???

:mademyday: Angie you are one wise woman in my humble opinion. I hope one day to meet you. Thank you so much for your words in this and your previous post.

Suzanne

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let's see how positive they are when they get squaters like in New York. The feces and garbage has to smell aweful! They need to use a fire hose and clean them out. I hope this does not spread. Who is Janet Tutt? Just wondering...

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The "Left" has been so jealous of the success of the Tea Party that they have been trying everything they can to TRY to capture that success.

They were caught flat footed because they thought that only the "left" were able to function as protesters. Usually driven in by bus, or forced to attend by unions, or paid to attend by a Soros organization.

Good Luck, it isn't having any effect.

Bingo. This is the same class warfare that the left has been using for 60 years. No difference.

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let's see how positive they are when they get squaters like in New York. The feces and garbage has to smell aweful! They need to use a fire hose and clean them out. I hope this does not spread. Who is Janet Tutt? Just wondering...

Too late... It's already worldwide.....

http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-on-google-maps.html

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Too late... It's already worldwide.....

http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-on-google-maps.html

Funny, your link, The Daily Kos is so far left it has been accused of being Communists.

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..... Who is Janet Tutt? Just wondering...

She's the VCDD District Manager:

http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Administration/administration.aspx

Bill :)

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After several requests and observation that the discussion has turned too political, this thread will be moved to the political forum where the discussion can continue.