Younger Villagers

[VillagesFlorida]

I am probably going to stir up a hornet's nest here but I am wondering how my fellow Villagers feel about the rash of crimes being committed by younger Villages residents. It seems that the police blotter now reports crimes on a regular basis where the perpetrators are residents, in their 20s. Somehow I don't see The Villages as a place where I should have to worry about unsavory young people being "among us" and possibly living next door. Before I get too many negative comments I will state that I see listed a number of older Villagers involved in criminal acts, also. No place is perfect. I get that. BUT, does anyone else feel that allowing anyone over "19" to live here is in our best interests? I understand that there may be some kids in their 20s who enjoy living with a bunch of seniors. Most kids I know would want no part of that on a regular basis. This is an "over 55" community and I know that younger folks can buy and live here. I have no problem with anyone over 45 buying a home and living here. The Morses made the rules that allow these kids to live here but I sure would like to see it changed to exclude them, except in the case of a disabled child who needs parental care. I liked living in my little "oasis", insulated from the fear and crime that is rampant in so many areas around us. Reading the police blotter these days has shaken my feelings of peace and security. Somehow, it all didn't matter quite so much when the criminals lived in Wildwood or Leesburg.

[ooomy]

I am probably going to stir up a hornet's nest here but I am wondering how my fellow Villagers feel about the rash of crimes being committed by younger Villages residents. It seems that the police blotter now reports crimes on a regular basis where the perpetrators are residents, in their 20s. Somehow I don't see The Villages as a place where I should have to worry about unsavory young people being "among us" and possibly living next door. Before I get too many negative comments I will state that I see listed a number of older Villagers involved in criminal acts, also. No place is perfect. I get that. BUT, does anyone else feel that allowing anyone over "19" to live here is in our best interests? I understand that there may be some kids in their 20s who enjoy living with a bunch of seniors. Most kids I know would want no part of that on a regular basis. This is an "over 55" community and I know that younger folks can buy and live here. I have no problem with anyone over 45 buying a home and living here. The Morses made the rules that allow these kids to live here but I sure would like to see it changed to exclude them, except in the case of a disabled child who needs parental care. I liked living in my little "oasis", insulated from the fear and crime that is rampant in so many areas around us. Reading the police blotter these days has shaken my feelings of peace and security. Somehow, it all didn't matter quite so much when the criminals lived in Wildwood or Leesburg.



Just stop Reading the police blotter.

[LindaK]

I agree - disabled adult children are one thing. But the majority of the adult children living here in their 20's-30's are problem children that the parents had to bring with them. We don't need them here. If they are going to have these "problem children" living with them, they should have to move to the "family" neighborhoods nearby.

[nitehawk]

oomy could you pass the kool-aide

[Mudder]

And what would you suggest? Should parents turn their back on their kids? No family is immune from some rough patches.

[graciegirl]

Your concerns are valid, in my opinion, Villages Florida. Why would any kids WANT to live with older people???

And...ooomy? Boy Howdy.

[Taj44]

Personally I like seeing some young people around, in addition to all the old farts. And they're not all a bunch of criminals.

[gatherer47]

not reading the police blotter doesn't deal with this issue-what kind of a response is that?I could tell you but I'll stop here

[Bogie Shooter]

not reading the police blotter doesn't deal with this issue-what kind of a response is that?I could tell you but I'll stop here

Thats probably the only way to deal with it. How are you gonna keep anybody out. I suppose a background check could be required for those under a certain age. How do you feel about the convicted sex offenders living in TV? Or, recovering drug users? You see, it could go on and on.........

[John_W]

The first item I notice when I read about the arrests are the bonds set by the judges are practically nothing. You only have to come up with 10% to bail out and you know the parents are the ones putting up the money. Set their bail at $50,000 and then we'll see if they want to spend $5,000. If these people were to spend 60 or 90 days in jail then maybe they'll figure out when they get released it's time to get out of here.

[gatherer47]

I agree with everything you're saying Bogie Shooter.I'd rather know about the problem though by reading about it than not being informed.I used to eat breakfast with a guy every week that was arrested for theft.And he was 67! So crime knows no age limit.

[John_W]

...I used to eat breakfast with a guy every week that was arrested for theft.And he was 67! So crime knows no age limit.

That's true but 95% of all crime is commited by people under the age of 50, that's a fact.

[cquick]

Your concerns are valid, in my opinion, Villages Florida. Why would any kids WANT to live with older people???

And...ooomy? Boy Howdy.

probably want to live here because they can't hold down a job, and cannot stay in school to get a job. so it's free to live with their parents.

My son graduated from Duke Law school and he lived with us all summer until he passed the bar and started his job in Palo Alto, CA. We love him dearly, but we were very happy to drop him off at the airport!:D

[cappyjon431]

While I am a full time TV resident in my late 40s, I too am concerned about thse crime reports. We hope that we have found our final home, and we hope to feel safe in our new community.

That being said, I also question how "complete" these police blotter reports are, and whether the local paper provides ALL of the reported crime in TV. My wife is a nurse in the ER in the Villages Hospital and she has seen a number of assaults, DUIs etc, which were never reported in the police blotters. She is shocked by the number of drunks who get admitted to the ER, most of whom have been brought in by the police for being publicly intoxicated and causing a public nuisence--and by the way, these aren't younger folks, these are older TV residents.

[handyman]

Your concerns are valid, in my opinion, Villages Florida. Why would any kids WANT to live with older people???

And...ooomy? Boy Howdy.

Pretty much so the little darlings can sponge off of them,because they were never taught to take care of themselves,not in all cases but in many.............

[hedoman]

this police blotter here vs the one from Philly? No comparison!

Just sayin..................

[BlueHeronFan]

And what would you suggest? Should parents turn their back on their kids? No family is immune from some rough patches.

No family is immune from some rough patches? Absolutely true, however, just read of a Villages resident age 26 arrested for armed burglary in the police blotter.

Now we have stepped over the family rough patches, to residents having to be concerned.

They shouldn't be in a retired neighborhood. I think the parents, or grandparents, should take their darling rough patches, and find another non senior retirement home to live in.

It would be one thing if it was read about once in awhile, but these issues in the police blotter for 19-30 yr old "residents" are becoming way too frequent.

[Posh 08]

The first item I notice when I read about the arrests are the bonds set by the judges are practically nothing. You only have to come up with 10% to bail out and you know the parents are the ones putting up the money. Set their bail at $50,000 and then we'll see if they want to spend $5,000. If these people were to spend 60 or 90 days in jail then maybe they'll figure out when they get released it's time to get out of here.

In Virginia, Mom, Dad and mostly Grandma can post property (the house) for bond. They get sprung fast on high bonds too.

[manaboutown]

This problem is rampant everywhere. I know a woman of 80 in California who has had two drug and alcohol abusing sons sponging off her literally their whole lives. The sons who live with her off and on, mostly on these days, are now 55 and 58, old enough to reside in TV themselves. Police get called regularly by the neighbors because the sons are either loudly and roughly fighting or behaving obnoxiously in other ways. One has set fire to her home while under the influence. The "boys" get arrested now and then. She acts like everything is just fine and still works to support them. She has had to sell her home and other assets since her husband died to continue to support them and now must rent. Talk about denial!

I am here for the month of October and have been reading the police blotter daily. It looks like even in TV yoyo adult children of all ages and some seniors themselves, are around to cause disturbances and even commit some serious felonies.

At one time I lived in a small mountain town having a reputation for being a safe haven and a great place to raise children, which it was by most standards. Still, a lot of bad stuff happened there that never made the local paper. I knew the DA quite well so I heard far more than most folks. The staff in the ER, the police, the sheriff and prosecutors are the people who are aware of what really goes on anywhere.

[nitehawk]

Let face it there is no visible presence of authority. Yes the local PD does at times set up speed traps ( which is fine with me ). There is never a patrol car just patrolling, part of prevention is a visible presence of authority. The Village Patrol is a JOKE they are not police office qualified or even peace office qualified. I wonder if the size of local PD has increased a fast as as the population of TV, I doubt it. Take our heads out of the sand and realize we live a real town with with real problems about security, safety etc.
We need more enforcement to be present at events and in the square, parking lots. Maybe some security cameras outside in the parking lot of the country clubs, and a few more place where people leave the golf carts and clubs - just the fact the cameras are present is a deterrent. I really thought we would never need these measures of protection, but we have grown so fast and so big, maybe we dont attract the same prospective buyers as we used to. Most of the older people found out by word of mount, and attracted the same caliber of people we were used to getting. All of the advisements on television, fairly low price (compared to the north), may have attracted a different buyer. No enforcement of the rules (unless reported). Remember if you live in a barn you will smell like a horse. That being said. I know many will disagree. Back to the bubble. Waiting for the new Villages in Texas to open

[buggyone]

Have any of you been to Spanish Springs after the evening concerts? There are large groups of local area teenagers - some with tattoos - hanging around and walking around the square. They are congregating around and on the property of the Church on the Square. They seem to be oblivious to the patrol car that goes by just now and then. What should be done?

[memason]

Have any of you been to Spanish Springs after the evening concerts? There are large groups of local area teenagers - some with tattoos - hanging around and walking around the square. They are congregating around and on the property of the Church on the Square. They seem to be oblivious to the patrol car that goes by just now and then. What should be done?

I don't think there's a law against tattoos.... nor is there any law against congregating in the squares...we all do that...and we have open containers too.

As long as they behave themselves, I don't see a problem...

[ilovetv]

Have any of you been to Spanish Springs after the evening concerts? There are large groups of local area teenagers - some with tattoos - hanging around and walking around the square. They are congregating around and on the property of the Church on the Square. They seem to be oblivious to the patrol car that goes by just now and then. What should be done?

Tattoos? Oh my!!

Seriously, I loathe tattoos but that doesn't mean the persons wearing them are criminals.

[Posh 08]

Most tatts are harmless self expressions, some, not so much. http://www.gangsorus.com/gang_tattoos.html

[graciegirl]

Tattoos. One of the prejudgements that I am working on. My dearest friend has a little tiny one, but generally speaking I don't like 'em.

I told my grandkids that tuition payments were based on lack of them and piercings too. And of course decent grades.

Old fashioned Gracie.

But back to the kids. I am showing my age here.

[rubicon]

Keep in mind when you are having this sort of conversation that "village resients" unintentionally extends to guests, renters and their guests and local residents outside TV that come to the town squares. I say this so that before you accuse anyone first define their status as being one of the aforementioned..................I'm just saying.

[Chief X]

Have any of you been to Spanish Springs after the evening concerts? There are large groups of local area teenagers - some with tattoos - hanging around and walking around the square. They are congregating around and on the property of the Church on the Square. They seem to be oblivious to the patrol car that goes by just now and then. What should be done?

Definitely an issue that needs to be addressed. Those damned trouble making teenagers and worse yet, the tattoos. But hold on, it's even more horrible than that...

I've also noticed a lot of trouble in the area by other groups of people.. those $%&* smokers. Have you noticed how many residents (probably some non residents too) that hang around TV smoking? What is wrong with people that they would smoke cigarettes? Just plain stupid and nothing more than a crutch for weak people.

What about all those golf cart driving, beer drinking thugs? Geez, that needs some attention too. I even heard that some of those crazies, drive their golf carts while they're intoxicated. Can you believe that?

And don't even get me started on the motorcycle gangs in TV. I heard that some of them have those damned awful tattoos also.. the nerve!

I think what makes me the most upset however, is the massive number of busy-bodies who have nothing better to do than watch and judge others based on their age, choice of self expression, the clothes they wear etc. They too inhabit the town squares and can be a major problem.

I think TV may in-fact be somewhat like the rest of the country, so it's probably not a very nice place to live. What a disappointment.

Oh well... for now, I'll just keep my tattoo covered (perhaps have it removed) and stay the hell out of the town squares, especially after dark.

It's so disheartening to move to a retirement community, only to find out that everyone is not just like me. I was fooled.

[Bogie Shooter]

Have any of you been to Spanish Springs after the evening concerts? There are large groups of local area teenagers - some with tattoos - hanging around and walking around the square. They are congregating around and on the property of the Church on the Square. They seem to be oblivious to the patrol car that goes by just now and then. What should be done?

And what about those residents with tattoos......what to do, what to do?

[paulandjean]

Tattoos. Funny. My wife and I never seen so many women in Florida with tattoos.From the Mid-West,we have never seen this. Not just young women but,Grannies for God sakes.Many from the villages.

[Jim 9922]

Chief-X;
A very well put posting. The squares are very scarey. You forgot about the "gangs" who assemble in Spanish Springs on the 3rd Saturday of the month in old cars, many with loud pipes, and some drivers even have tattoos!
:BigApplause:

[Pturner]

Definitely an issue that needs to be addressed. Those damned trouble making teenagers and worse yet, the tattoos. But hold on, it's even more horrible than that...

I've also noticed a lot of trouble in the area by other groups of people.. those $%&* smokers. Have you noticed how many residents (probably some non residents too) that hang around TV smoking? What is wrong with people that they would smoke cigarettes? Just plain stupid and nothing more than a crutch for weak people.

What about all those golf cart driving, beer drinking thugs? Geez, that needs some attention too. I even heard that some of those crazies, drive their golf carts while they're intoxicated. Can you believe that?

And don't even get me started on the motorcycle gangs in TV. I heard that some of them have those damned awful tattoos also.. the nerve!

I think what makes me the most upset however, is the massive number of busy-bodies who have nothing better to do than watch and judge others based on their age, choice of self expression, the clothes they wear etc. They too inhabit the town squares and can be a major problem.

I think TV may in-fact be somewhat like the rest of the country, so it's probably not a very nice place to live. What a disappointment.

Oh well... for now, I'll just keep my tattoo covered (perhaps have it removed) and stay the hell out of the town squares, especially after dark.

It's so disheartening to move to a retirement community, only to find out that everyone is not just like me. I was fooled.

Chief X,
Excellent points, well taken.

At the same time, I agree with VillagesFlorida's initial comment. I think LindaK nailed OP's point when she said that many of the adult children living here in their 20's-30's are "problem children that the parents had to bring with them," and that family-friendly neighborhoods would be better equipped to assimilate them. TV was planned and designed as a 55+ community and does not have the appropriate infrastructure and support systems to adequately accommodate 20-somethings, let alone problem ones who need more, not fewer, social support systems.

[VillagesFlorida]

I hope that all of the posters here remember that all I talked about in my original post was the young people who live here, who are committing criminal acts.....and, that I, personally, wish that the age limit here was 45. That would not prevent unsavory characters over 45 from living here. I get that. I really am just wondering if I am the only resident who feels that 20 is too young to live here, unless disabled and needing care by the parents or grandparents. I don't care who has a tattoo, who rides a motorcycle, or who drinks alcohol on the squares. My concern is the immature young people living here who have no regard for what this place was designed to be.....a beautiful, peaceful community, truly "Florida's Friendliest Hometown".

[tainsley]

Definitely an issue that needs to be addressed. Those damned trouble making teenagers and worse yet, the tattoos. But hold on, it's even more horrible than that...

I've also noticed a lot of trouble in the area by other groups of people.. those $%&* smokers. Have you noticed how many residents (probably some non residents too) that hang around TV smoking? What is wrong with people that they would smoke cigarettes? Just plain stupid and nothing more than a crutch for weak people.

What about all those golf cart driving, beer drinking thugs? Geez, that needs some attention too. I even heard that some of those crazies, drive their golf carts while they're intoxicated. Can you believe that?

And don't even get me started on the motorcycle gangs in TV. I heard that some of them have those damned awful tattoos also.. the nerve!

I think what makes me the most upset however, is the massive number of busy-bodies who have nothing better to do than watch and judge others based on their age, choice of self expression, the clothes they wear etc. They too inhabit the town squares and can be a major problem.

I think TV may in-fact be somewhat like the rest of the country, so it's probably not a very nice place to live. What a disappointment.

Oh well... for now, I'll just keep my tattoo covered (perhaps have it removed) and stay the hell out of the town squares, especially after dark.

It's so disheartening to move to a retirement community, only to find out that everyone is not just like me. I was fooled.

And the sign said long-haired, freaky people...:welcome:

[graciegirl]

Definitely an issue that needs to be addressed. Those damned trouble making teenagers and worse yet, the tattoos. But hold on, it's even more horrible than that...

I've also noticed a lot of trouble in the area by other groups of people.. those $%&* smokers. Have you noticed how many residents (probably some non residents too) that hang around TV smoking? What is wrong with people that they would smoke cigarettes? Just plain stupid and nothing more than a crutch for weak people.

What about all those golf cart driving, beer drinking thugs? Geez, that needs some attention too. I even heard that some of those crazies, drive their golf carts while they're intoxicated. Can you believe that?

And don't even get me started on the motorcycle gangs in TV. I heard that some of them have those damned awful tattoos also.. the nerve!

I think what makes me the most upset however, is the massive number of busy-bodies who have nothing better to do than watch and judge others based on their age, choice of self expression, the clothes they wear etc. They too inhabit the town squares and can be a major problem.

I think TV may in-fact be somewhat like the rest of the country, so it's probably not a very nice place to live. What a disappointment.

Oh well... for now, I'll just keep my tattoo covered (perhaps have it removed) and stay the hell out of the town squares, especially after dark.

It's so disheartening to move to a retirement community, only to find out that everyone is not just like me. I was fooled.

Sweetie...Have some popcorn. Tattoos on boys are kind of left over from military service generally and that is a good thing...

Your satire is clever, and appreciated but it really doesn't matter so much to me how people show their style, as long as they are kind to each other.

But one of these days.... I am gonna go up behind one of those kids who have their pants hanging low and showing their underwear...somewhere about half mast...and I am gonna pull the damn things down.

You may read about me in the Daily Sun. Then I will probably get a tattoo that says...."Just Done It".

[Bill-n-Brillo]

........But one of these days.... I am gonna go up behind one of those kids who have their pants hanging low and showing their underwear...somewhere about half mast...and I am gonna pull the damn things down. .......

You go, girl!! :MOJE_whot:

Bill :wave:

[rubicon]

Sweetie...Have some popcorn. Tattoos on boys are kind of left over from military service generally and that is a good thing...

Your satire is clever, and appreciated but it really doesn't matter so much to me how people show their style, as long as they are kind to each other.

But one of these days.... I am gonna go up behind one of those kids who have their pants hanging low and showing their underwear...somewhere about half mast...and I am gonna pull the damn things down.

You may read about me in the Daily Sun. Then I will probably get a tattoo that says...."Just Done It".

Careful graciegirl with the generation you have targeted "pulling their pants all the way down' is something they probably will like....I just saying

[Posh 08]

I'm feeling the love here again??? :icon_wink:

[tainsley]

Sweetie...Have some popcorn. Tattoos on boys are kind of left over from military service generally and that is a good thing...

Your satire is clever, and appreciated but it really doesn't matter so much to me how people show their style, as long as they are kind to each other.

But one of these days.... I am gonna go up behind one of those kids who have their pants hanging low and showing their underwear...somewhere about half mast...and I am gonna pull the damn things down.

You may read about me in the Daily Sun. Then I will probably get a tattoo that says...."Just Done It".

:coolsmiley:

[VillagesFlorida]

Sweetie...Have some popcorn. Tattoos on boys are kind of left over from military service generally and that is a good thing...

Your satire is clever, and appreciated but it really doesn't matter so much to me how people show their style, as long as they are kind to each other.

But one of these days.... I am gonna go up behind one of those kids who have their pants hanging low and showing their underwear...somewhere about half mast...and I am gonna pull the damn things down.

You may read about me in the Daily Sun. Then I will probably get a tattoo that says...."Just Done It".

Please don't do it, Gracie! I can't bear the thought of seeing YOUR name in the Police Blotter! I can see the headline now:

Villages Resident Caught In "Crackdown" :police::police::police:

[graciegirl]

Please don't do it, Gracie! I can't bear the thought of seeing YOUR name in the Police Blotter! I can see the headline now:

Villages Resident Caught In "Crackdown" :police::police::police:

YOU are the best:a040:...and lovely too and so clever. Please be my friend!:bigbow:

[Pturner]

Please don't do it, Gracie! I can't bear the thought of seeing YOUR name in the Police Blotter! I can see the headline now:

Villages Resident Caught In "Crackdown" :police::police::police:

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: :mademyday:

[Wing-nut2]

This is very interesting since there was a post not too far back about owning a gun. I don't want to turn this in a gun thread, but TV doesn't have a wall.

I consider TV to be a "Soft" target. By that I mean:

1. Age. Not everyone is in their 20s.
2. Everyone trusts everyone else. We're one big happy family (check the number of golf clubs on carts and open garage doors)
3. Most don't own a gun or think they need one.
4. TV is open to the public. Anyone can drive through. All they need is a truck with a contractor's name on the side.
5. Look at Wall Street. The haves and have nots. Which do you look like to someone on the outside of TV? Nice house, nice car, golf cart etc.

I could go on, but you get the point. Just because it's retirement community doesn't mean it's safe from all crime. I just saw a thread about someone steeling down spouts during the day in TV. Metal sales are way up.

[Wing-nut2]

Ran out of room. I like the younger people. Some will be great and some won't. But that's the way it is. If you get some younger neighbors, I hope their good ones.

I just don't think you putyour head in the sand and think that nothing can happen in TV.

My two cents. Flame suit is on. Let me have it.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Please don't do it, Gracie! I can't bear the thought of seeing YOUR name in the Police Blotter! I can see the headline now:

Villages Resident Caught In "Crackdown" :police::police::police:

I think it's time we all stopped cracking jokes about these things..............:shocked:

:pepper2:

Bill :)

[VillagesFlorida]

I think it's time we all stopped cracking jokes about these things..............:shocked:

:pepper2:

Bill :)

Blame Gracie! She's the one who threatened to expose "the crack"! I suppose these young-uns might be "Crack Pots"?? :confused:

[Posh 08]

Ran out of room. I like the younger people. Some will be great and some won't. But that's the way it is. If you get some younger neighbors, I hope their good ones.

I just don't think you putyour head in the sand and think that nothing can happen in TV.

My two cents. Flame suit is on. Let me have it.

:clap2: Hope they are listening. I see jokes about it mostly here.

[Pturner]

Ok, now y'all are cracking me up.

[buggyone]

No, The Villages is not 100% crime free but it is safer than any other area of the country I have ever heard of. Where else can someone feel 100% safe walking on deserted streets after midnight or driving in a golf cart along a cart path that is unlit through woodsy areas?

I can only think of one violent crime in the 2 years I have been here and that was a domestic shooting between wife and husband in their home.

You will see a rude person once in a great while but no fighting. The crowds at the town squares are very pleasant. I actually like to see the teens around Spanish Springs - all are non-threatening and basically it is a great safe environment for them to be in.

Very few robberies from golf carts except when parked in large lots at the edges of The Villages.

This is truly the best place you can imagine to live.

[VillagesFlorida]

No, The Villages is not 100% crime free but it is safer than any other area of the country I have ever heard of. Where else can someone feel 100% safe walking on deserted streets after midnight or driving in a golf cart along a cart path that is unlit through woodsy areas?

I can only think of one violent crime in the 2 years I have been here and that was a domestic shooting between wife and husband in their home.

You will see a rude person once in a great while but no fighting. The crowds at the town squares are very pleasant. I actually like to see the teens around Spanish Springs - all are non-threatening and basically it is a great safe environment for them to be in.

Very few robberies from golf carts except when parked in large lots at the edges of The Villages.

This is truly the best place you can imagine to live.

I didn't mean to imply that these young people were committing crimes in The Villages. From what little is reported in the Police Blotter it seems that most of their crimes happen outside. I have no issue having well-behaved kids of any age here visiting. The issue I have is with immature kids in their 20s and 30s who live here with parents or grandparents. Some are involved with drugs and the next thing we know WE could be burglarized for enough money to buy a bag of "crack"....Oops, I said it again!

[Taj44]

I agree with a lot of what you say, except the part about robberies from golf carts. We've been here 5-6 years, and there has been a continual problem with theft from golf carts - mostly theft of golf clubs, and for awhile there was a rash of thefts of the actual carts. People tend to leave their carts outside the country clubs when they go in for a drink or for lunch, and come out and find stuff missing. There have been many threads posted about these thefts and what people are doing to deter them. Suggestion - just don't be complacent about it. Cover your clubs up, or lock them, and don't leave anything valuable like a range finder, sky caddie, or woman's purse on the cart when you're not there.

No, The Villages is not 100% crime free but it is safer than any other area of the country I have ever heard of. Where else can someone feel 100% safe walking on deserted streets after midnight or driving in a golf cart along a cart path that is unlit through woodsy areas?

I can only think of one violent crime in the 2 years I have been here and that was a domestic shooting between wife and husband in their home.

You will see a rude person once in a great while but no fighting. The crowds at the town squares are very pleasant. I actually like to see the teens around Spanish Springs - all are non-threatening and basically it is a great safe environment for them to be in.

Very few robberies from golf carts except when parked in large lots at the edges of The Villages.

This is truly the best place you can imagine to live.

[De Lis]

Like anything else, this needs to be stopped before it gets out of hand. Therefore, seriously, where do we begin?

[graciegirl]

I didn't mean to imply that these young people were committing crimes in The Villages. From what little is reported in the Police Blotter it seems that most of their crimes happen outside. I have no issue having well-behaved kids of any age here visiting. The issue I have is with immature kids in their 20s and 30s who live here with parents or grandparents. Some are involved with drugs and the next thing we know WE could be burglarized for enough money to buy a bag of "crack"....Oops, I said it again!

You are so right of course but as Bogie Shooter points out, there isn't anything we can do about it. You can't write rules for this kind of stuff. You can't have all residents kids take drug tests. Most residents are good examples and their kids are great and are staying with them until they find a job or go back to college.

We all have friends whose kids are not great because the friends overprotect and enable them and there are bound to be folks like this in TV too. Some kids are just rotten apples and the parents have been struggling with it all along. Just not an easy answer and a perplexing one for The Villages as there aren't social programs geared for younger people here.

It is a problem and thank heavens almost all of us don't work and we are like a huge army of neighborhood watch and we are watching out for each other.

[Posh 08]

Like anything else, this needs to be stopped before it gets out of hand. Therefore, seriously, where do we begin?

Perhaps a group of residents could start by visiting with the Sheriff. They tend to listen when voters complain. I'm not a resident or owner, but still in the decision process. Unless things improve I'll be a "Mighthavebeen".

[Bogie Shooter]

Perhaps a group of residents could start by visiting with the Sheriff. They tend to listen when voters complain. I'm not a resident or owner, but still in the decision process. Unless things improve I'll be a "Mighthavebeen".

It is sad that you might make a decision not to become a resident because of this thread, populated by doomsday remarks.
A meeting with the sheriff may just point out this "problem" is not as big as some folks believe it is. This is not to say we do not or will not have crime.........but fearful of moving here or going out at night,,,,I think not.

[2BNTV]

Perhaps a group of residents could start by visiting with the Sheriff. They tend to listen when voters complain. I'm not a resident or owner, but still in the decision process. Unless things improve I'll be a "Mighthavebeen".

It is sad that you might make a decision not to become a resident because of this thread, populated by doomsday remarks.
A meeting with the sheriff may just point out this "problem" is not as big as some folks believe it is. This is not to say we do not or will not have crime.........but fearful of moving here or going out at night,,,,I think not.

I agree with Bogie Shooter. As a wannabee, I have felt safe when in TV on my visits. No one can guarantee that one will be safe 100% all of the time or there will be no crimes ever committed. I would certainly take TV over where I have lived or presently live.

As with anything else especially driving , "one must be alert to their surroundings".

[PennBF]

It is probably very difficult to determine who and when a younger person
in The Villages will commit a crime. Is it possible to deny them and their
sponsoring resident from receiving the residency/guest passes. No access
to the pools, rec centers, etc. If a felony is involved then it would certaintly
be appropriate to remove the priveleges The Villages offer. As I understand
it using the facilities of THe Villages is a privelege and not a "right"?
There has to be consequences from these acts of criminal behavior. Not to
have consequences it is almost being an enabler since the violator knows
they can continue and also enjoy THe Villages facilities.
I would guess that knowing your priveleges along with your resident sponsors
would be denied would give some a second thought before proceeding to
be a criminal. :popcorn:

[graciegirl]

We are well into our fourth year here, now year around residents and have never personally run into any person who has been a law breaker or known personally of anyone else who did know of any....Just saying.

But you read the police blotter and most of the crimes that do happen in TV...and there aren't many are caused by kids.

[rubicon]

I re-read this thread and what I read between the lines from most stems from the marketing of the villages. Marketing people either implied or inferred that you would be buying "exclusivity". There was a belief by many prospective residents that this was a golf cart gated community for those over 55 only and that The Villages belonged to thm town centers and all. I remember one of the marketing people who took us on a trolley ride saying we love to have our kids visit but it is nice to see their taillights leaving our driveway.

But the reality is that we are a community of 88,000 people and when the building is finished will be in excess of 105,000. By any standard that is not a small city. Add to that it is confined to some 35 square miles. Anyone can ride through and/or visit here. Local people attend events at the town centers. People rent for a week, a month a year at a time. 20% of the population can be under 55 and purchase a home.

So I am surprised that so many people are surprised by some of the goings on.
It is true that the crime rate is lower than most places. Even in the richest neighborhoods in the country bad things happen to good people. Essentially we are no different then any other community in America.

[Bogie Shooter]

It is probably very difficult to determine who and when a younger person
in The Villages will commit a crime. Is it possible to deny them and their
sponsoring resident from receiving the residency/guest passes. No access
to the pools, rec centers, etc. If a felony is involved then it would certaintly
be appropriate to remove the priveleges The Villages offer. As I understand
it using the facilities of THe Villages is a privelege and not a "right"?
There has to be consequences from these acts of criminal behavior. Not to
have consequences it is almost being an enabler since the violator knows
they can continue and also enjoy THe Villages facilities.
I would guess that knowing your priveleges along with your resident sponsors
would be denied would give some a second thought before proceeding to
be a criminal. :popcorn:

What and how many??

[cappyjon431]

I re-read this thread and what I read between the lines from most stems from the marketing of the villages. Marketing people either implied or inferred that you would be buying "exclusivity". There was a belief by many prospective residents that this was a golf cart gated community for those over 55 only and that The Villages belonged to thm town centers and all. I remember one of the marketing people who took us on a trolley ride saying we love to have our kids visit but it is nice to see their taillights leaving our driveway.

But the reality is that we are a community of 88,000 people and when the building is finished will be in excess of 105,000. By any standard that is not a small city. Add to that it is confined to some 35 square miles. Anyone can ride through and/or visit here. Local people attend events at the town centers. People rent for a week, a month a year at a time. 20% of the population can be under 55 and purchase a home.

So I am surprised that so many people are surprised by some of the goings on.
It is true that the crime rate is lower than most places. Even in the richest neighborhoods in the country bad things happen to good people. Essentially we are no different then any other community in America.

Well said. Before we purchased we knew that TV was not perfect, but we also knew that no place is perfect. We don't call TV "paradise," we call it "paradise with warts." Yet we still love it, warts and all.

[DDoug]

My wife and I managed a large properity at one time a if a member of the house hold was involved in a crime or arrested for what ever they were forced to sell and move. Dont know if that can be done here.

[Bogie Shooter]

My wife and I managed a large properity at one time a if a member of the house hold was involved in a crime or arrested for what ever they were forced to sell and move. Dont know if that can be done here.

Lets see, we could set up a little court room over in the Savana Center. Cuff'm up and bring'm........wave a little pixie dust and move them out with all their possessions.
Your thought process makes no sense.

[The Village Girl]

Lets see, we could set up a little court room over in the Savana Center. Cuff'm up and bring'm........wave a little pixie dust and move them out with all their possessions.
Your thought process makes no sense.


This all sounds like a GREAT plan... Until you brought up the "pixie dust'

Bogie.... Pixie dust????

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[silvertoken]

Sometimes I wish the golf courses would use this site http://florida.arrests.org/ when letting outsiders in. This also helps when using contractors and employees. I even found someone in a very close proximity from me in here. This site in my estimation helps a lot. The people using our golf couse where caught robbing homes. They were very much senior to my surprise. One would break in and open the garage and the other got his pick up truck after a cell phone call and had the other open the garage and close the door. Guess they had a good day of golfing.

[graciegirl]

Sometimes I wish the golf courses would use this site http://florida.arrests.org/ when letting outsiders in. This also helps when using contractors and employees. I even found someone in a very close proximity from me in here. This site in my estimation helps a lot. The people using our golf couse where caught robbing homes. They were very much senior to my surprise. One would break in and open the garage and the other got his pick up truck after a cell phone call and had the other open the garage and close the door. Guess they had a good day of golfing.


This is a very unusual site....with "hotties" and "hunks"?????????? That is actually what is says...I am not being cute.

[villagegolfer]

Man, now that is some scary mug shots, to be sure!!!

[tainsley]

This all sounds like a GREAT plan... Until you brought up the "pixie dust'

Bogie.... Pixie dust????

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Pixie dust is used to promote positive, happy and magical thoughts...it's kind of like Santa...a state of mind...I will bring some down at the end of the month! :icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

Pixie dust is used to promote positive, happy and magical thoughts...it's kind of like Santa...a state of mind...I will bring some down at the end of the month! :icon_wink:

Bring buckets. Some of our friends on here need a little.

[memason]

I'm going to a Halloween party next week. I think I'll go as a "Younger Villager" :a040:

[graciegirl]

I'm going to a Halloween party next week. I think I'll go as a "Younger Villager" :a040:

omg say it ain't so.

BUT....I do have to say this Mike.

You won't need a costume.

[Mikeod]

I'm going to a Halloween party next week. I think I'll go as a "Younger Villager" :a040:

Whoa, now that's scary!:22yikes:

[eweissenbach]

Perhaps a group of residents could start by visiting with the Sheriff. They tend to listen when voters complain. I'm not a resident or owner, but still in the decision process. Unless things improve I'll be a "Mighthavebeen".

I have been tempted to post to this thread for days, but have managed to suppress the desire until now. Seriously Posh? TV has to be one of the most safe and secure cities of it's size, or any size, on the face of the earth! There may be some crime perpetrated by younger people (whatever that means), but the crime blotter for a month would not make a good day in most places this size. If you want to go to a place that has less crime than
TV, you will probably have to check into a John Knox Village or some similar environment - no thanks! Many of you are reasonable, but some of you sound like the old grouch profanely running the neighborhood kids off his lawn. If the author of Leisureville reads this thread he will probably be motivated to write another book.

[Cynbod]

I'm going to a Halloween party next week. I think I'll go as a "Younger Villager" :a040:

OMG that costume sold out, I got the last one and it fits just right. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[VillagesFlorida]

I am probably going to stir up a hornet's nest here but I am wondering how my fellow Villagers feel about the rash of crimes being committed by younger Villages residents. It seems that the police blotter now reports crimes on a regular basis where the perpetrators are residents, in their 20s. Somehow I don't see The Villages as a place where I should have to worry about unsavory young people being "among us" and possibly living next door. Before I get too many negative comments I will state that I see listed a number of older Villagers involved in criminal acts, also. No place is perfect. I get that. BUT, does anyone else feel that allowing anyone over "19" to live here is in our best interests? I understand that there may be some kids in their 20s who enjoy living with a bunch of seniors. Most kids I know would want no part of that on a regular basis. This is an "over 55" community and I know that younger folks can buy and live here. I have no problem with anyone over 45 buying a home and living here. The Morses made the rules that allow these kids to live here but I sure would like to see it changed to exclude them, except in the case of a disabled child who needs parental care. I liked living in my little "oasis", insulated from the fear and crime that is rampant in so many areas around us. Reading the police blotter these days has shaken my feelings of peace and security. Somehow, it all didn't matter quite so much when the criminals lived in Wildwood or Leesburg.

Here is my original post on the subject of younger people living here. Somehow this thread ran off into the ditch. I never talked about these younger folks committing any crimes IN The Villages, nor did I mention any one, of any age committing crimes IN The Villages. All I wanted to know was how folks felt about kids in their 20s and 30s living here. There is little crime here, as far as I know. We can't tell from reading the Daily Sun. The crimes that young people commit seem to happen OUT of The Villages. Is this the same place I moved to in 1998? No! Would I choose The Villages if I had it to do over again? Absolutely!

[angiefox10]

Here is my original post on the subject of younger people living here. Somehow this thread ran off into the ditch. I never talked about these younger folks committing any crimes IN The Villages, nor did I mention any one, of any age committing crimes IN The Villages. All I wanted to know was how folks felt about kids in their 20s and 30s living here. There is little crime here, as far as I know. We can't tell from reading the Daily Sun. The crimes that young people commit seem to happen OUT of The Villages. Is this the same place I moved to in 1998? No! Would I choose The Villages if I had it to do over again? Absolutely!

After reading all of this, my question is... How many "young" people actually live in The Villages.

To say that people sound like grouchy old folks running the kids off their I don't think is a fair assessment.

If I want to live with young kid, I would just stay here. We have plenty of them here! One of the reasons I want to live in The Villages is to live with people my own age. As the kids hot rod up and down our streets (they've taken out our mailbox more times then I could count) hubby and I look at each other and say; "can't wait to get to The Villages".

I want to live with active people my own age. Maybe young kids make some feel young... They just make me feel old.

I posted some of The Village videos on my FB page and trust me.... Those "young kids" thought they were silly old people. That does not make me feel young.

The Villages is advertised as a "retirement community", not a family community or a young peoples community.

To what Villagesflorida said, when we first saw The Villages, most of the people who worked there were villagers. You didn't see the young people working in the shops and stores. It was nice to see that so many of the people who lived in The Villages were able to find jobs and supplement their income. When we were here last summer, we saw very little of that.

When were were looking for a place to retire, we walked out of several communities because there were too many young people there.

Well... There you have it. You asked.

[Pturner]

I'm going to a Halloween party next week. I think I'll go as a "Younger Villager" :a040:

Um, Mike... Halloween is not a "come as you are" party.
:gc:

[nitehawk]

After reading all of this, my question is... How many "young" people actually live in The Villages.

To say that people sound like grouchy old folks running the kids off their I don't think is a fair assessment.

If I want to live with young kid, I would just stay here. We have plenty of them here! One of the reasons I want to live in The Villages is to live with people my own age. As the kids hot rod up and down our streets (they've taken out our mailbox more times then I could count) hubby and I look at each other and say; "can't wait to get to The Villages".

I want to live with active people my own age. Maybe young kids make some feel young... They just make me feel old.

I posted some of The Village videos on my FB page and trust me.... Those "young kids" thought they were silly old people. That does not make me feel young.

The Villages is advertised as a "retirement community", not a family community or a young peoples community.

To what Villagesflorida said, when we first saw The Villages, most of the people who worked there were villagers. You didn't see the young people working in the shops and stores. It was nice to see that so many of the people who lived in The Villages were able to find jobs and supplement their income. When we were here last summer, we saw very little of that.

When were were looking for a place to retire, we walked out of several communities because there were too many young people there.

Well... There you have it. You asked.

Very well said :bigbow:

[billethkid]

I suppose the only acceptable young people who could satisfy some here would be those that are like they were when they were that age....right?

The negatives regarding the "young" are again, as usual, extrapolation of isolated incidences to the point they are common every day experiences. They are not. Just merely what is chosen to dwell upon in a negative way.

Remember the young are the ones who wear the police uniform or the EMT's and ambulance folks and the firefighters....and they are the ones who come forward to lift a burning car off someone trapped underneath it.
I enjoy the company of my peers and delight in the presence of those on their way to our stage of life.

btk

[Bogie Shooter]

I suppose the only acceptable young people who could satisfy some here would be those that are like they were when they were that age....right?

The negatives regarding the "young" are again, as usual, extrapolation of isolated incidences to the point they are common every day experiences. They are not. Just merely what is chosen to dwell upon in a negative way.

Remember the young are the ones who wear the police uniform or the EMT's and ambulance folks and the firefighters....and they are the ones who come forward to lift a burning car off someone trapped underneath it.
I enjoy the company of my peers and delight in the presence of those on their way to our stage of life.

btk

A very good point.....I agree.

[Chief X]

another one that gets it... thanks billethkid.

[redwitch]

My daughter was one of those young people who lived here with me. She came with me when I moved here. Had she not been able to stay with me, there is no way I would have moved here. Not her fault she was young or that her mother decided she needed to live elsewhere.

She worked at Applebee's. She was quiet, respectful and kind. All of my neighbors adored her since she went out of her way to help them however she could. She did move out after a year to be around people closer to her age.

My neighbors have their 26 YO son living with them right now. He doesn't make enough money to live on his own right now. He's in a band that is getting more gigs weekly (including at least once a month in TV) and will move out as soon as the band makes enough money for him to do so. A friend of mine's daughter (40ish) moved here after her job became non-existent and she couldn't find another position. She's looking hard but has had no luck finding something new.

A couple I know had their son living with them after he had gone through rehab. Sadly, he went back on drugs and they felt compelled to kick him out. A young man that used to work for me moved in with his grandparents to get away from the drug scene at home. After six months, he went back home. Last I heard, he was back to using drugs, but had not used any here.

So, yes, some kids are with their parents because of legal or drug issues. Just as many are not. Today's economy is going to make it more and more common for single offspring or offspring without children to be moving in with their parents. Like it or not, it is legal and unavoidable. I'd really hate to live in a community that has so little compassion that young adults were unwelcome simply because they were young adults.

[angiefox10]

This is a "retirement" community! We come here to live because it's a "retirement" community!

I have NOTHING against young people... In fact I LOVE them!! They taste just like chicken! :icon_hungry:

[Mudder]

Redwitch, I loved the way you said it. My feelings exactly.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

.......I have NOTHING against young people... In fact I LOVE them!! They taste just like chicken! :icon_hungry:


:shocked:



Bill :)

[Schaumburger]

I agree with Bogie Shooter. As a wannabee, I have felt safe when in TV on my visits. No one can guarantee that one will be safe 100% all of the time or there will be no crimes ever committed. I would certainly take TV over where I have lived or presently live.

As with anything else especially driving , "one must be alert to their surroundings".

I agree with 2BNTV. Although my 3 visits to TV have been relatively brief (each one has lasted a week), I have walked through LSL and SS after 9:00 p.m., sometimes by myself, sometimes with friend(s). Although I am vigilant, I have never felt in danger. And during the times I have rented this year in both Chatham and Sabal Chase, I was rather amazed about how many people leave their garage doors open, just not for a few minutes, but for a few hours. I would not do that in my suburb in Chicago, and I live in a fairly safe suburb. Just this wannabee's 2 cents.

[nitehawk]

This is a "retirement" community! We come here to live because it's a "retirement" community!

I have NOTHING against young people... In fact I LOVE them!! They taste just like chicken! :icon_hungry:

I like them well done.

[nitehawk]

[QUOTE=Schaumburger;408958]I agree with 2BNTV. Although my 3 visits to TV have been relatively brief (each one has lasted a week), I have walked through LSL and SS after 9:00 p.m., sometimes by myself, sometimes with friend(s). Although I am vigilant, I have never felt in danger. And during the times I have rented this year in both Chatham and Sabal Chase, I was rather amazed about how many people leave their garage doors open, just not for a few minutes, but for a few hours. I would not do that in my suburb in Chicago, and I live in a fairly safe suburb. Just this wannabee's 2 cents.[/QUOT

Its probably because they forgot to close the door when they went to the store

[villagegolfer]

This is a "retirement" community! We come here to live because it's a "retirement" community!

I have NOTHING against young people... In fact I LOVE them!! They taste just like chicken! :icon_hungry:

I like them rare, very rare.:1rotfl:

[BigLew]

This is a "retirement" community! We come here to live because it's a "retirement" community!

I have NOTHING against young people... In fact I LOVE them!! They taste just like chicken! :icon_hungry:

is the fox becoming a cougar? chilout

[rubicon]

My daughter was one of those young people who lived here with me. She came with me when I moved here. Had she not been able to stay with me, there is no way I would have moved here. Not her fault she was young or that her mother decided she needed to live elsewhere.

She worked at Applebee's. She was quiet, respectful and kind. All of my neighbors adored her since she went out of her way to help them however she could. She did move out after a year to be around people closer to her age.

My neighbors have their 26 YO son living with them right now. He doesn't make enough money to live on his own right now. He's in a band that is getting more gigs weekly (including at least once a month in TV) and will move out as soon as the band makes enough money for him to do so. A friend of mine's daughter (40ish) moved here after her job became non-existent and she couldn't find another position. She's looking hard but has had no luck finding something new.

A couple I know had their son living with them after he had gone through rehab. Sadly, he went back on drugs and they felt compelled to kick him out. A young man that used to work for me moved in with his grandparents to get away from the drug scene at home. After six months, he went back home. Last I heard, he was back to using drugs, but had not used any here.

So, yes, some kids are with their parents because of legal or drug issues. Just as many are not. Today's economy is going to make it more and more common for single offspring or offspring without children to be moving in with their parents. Like it or not, it is legal and unavoidable. I'd really hate to live in a community that has so little compassion that young adults were unwelcome simply because they were young adults.

:mademyday:

[graciegirl]

In this mornings Daily Sun there was an article about adult children returning to the nest.

It also stated that 60% help their adult children financially.

[Tweety Bird]

I agree with everything you're saying Bogie Shooter.I'd rather know about the problem though by reading about it than not being informed.I used to eat breakfast with a guy every week that was arrested for theft.And he was 67! So crime knows no age limit.

Did he steal your eggs?

[BlueHeronFan]

My daughter was one of those young people who lived here with me. She came with me when I moved here. Had she not been able to stay with me, there is no way I would have moved here. Not her fault she was young or that her mother decided she needed to live elsewhere.

She worked at Applebee's. She was quiet, respectful and kind. All of my neighbors adored her since she went out of her way to help them however she could. She did move out after a year to be around people closer to her age.

My neighbors have their 26 YO son living with them right now. He doesn't make enough money to live on his own right now. He's in a band that is getting more gigs weekly (including at least once a month in TV) and will move out as soon as the band makes enough money for him to do so. A friend of mine's daughter (40ish) moved here after her job became non-existent and she couldn't find another position. She's looking hard but has had no luck finding something new.

A couple I know had their son living with them after he had gone through rehab. Sadly, he went back on drugs and they felt compelled to kick him out. A young man that used to work for me moved in with his grandparents to get away from the drug scene at home. After six months, he went back home. Last I heard, he was back to using drugs, but had not used any here.

So, yes, some kids are with their parents because of legal or drug issues. Just as many are not. Today's economy is going to make it more and more common for single offspring or offspring without children to be moving in with their parents. Like it or not, it is legal and unavoidable. I'd really hate to live in a community that has so little compassion that young adults were unwelcome simply because they were young adults.

This is a 55+ RETIREMENT Community! It is not a family neighborhood or a rehab center for problem children. However, there are many of those type neighborhoods throughout this country. Personally, I am getting very tired of reading in the police blotter of those who are getting arrested for every type of crime that is listed, and those who feel it's not unusual in a 55+ community.

[buggyone]

Only one person in the household has to be 55 or more. Also, 20% of the homes can go to those under 55.

Only restriction I know of is that no person under 19 can stay for more than 30 days. I guess the only way that would be known is if a neighbor "squealed" on the offender.

Nothing anyone can do about adult children living with parents for any reason here.

[memason]

This is a 55+ RETIREMENT Community! It is not a family neighborhood or a rehab center for problem children. However, there are many of those type neighborhoods throughout this country. Personally, I am getting very tired of reading in the police blotter of those who are getting arrested for every type of crime that is listed, and those who feel it's not unusual in a 55+ community.
...

[nitehawk]

This is a 55+ RETIREMENT Community! It is not a family neighborhood or a rehab center for problem children. However, there are many of those type neighborhoods throughout this country. Personally, I am getting very tired of reading in the police blotter of those who are getting arrested for every type of crime that is listed, and those who feel it's not unusual in a 55+ community.

:mademyday:

[villagegolfer]

This is a 55+ RETIREMENT Community! It is not a family neighborhood or a rehab center for problem children. However, there are many of those type neighborhoods throughout this country. Personally, I am getting very tired of reading in the police blotter of those who are getting arrested for every type of crime that is listed, and those who feel it's not unusual in a 55+ community.


:agree:

[BigLew]

This is a 55+ RETIREMENT Community! It is not a family neighborhood or a rehab center for problem children. However, there are many of those type neighborhoods throughout this country. Personally, I am getting very tired of reading in the police blotter of those who are getting arrested for every type of crime that is listed, and those who feel it's not unusual in a 55+ community.

But this is America's friendliest home town!

Personally I don't know which police blotter you people are reading. The one I see SOMETIMES lists people from the Villages both young and old for legal infractions.I can't believe how reckless with labels some of you are! Really, every person living here under 40 is a deadbeat? ridiculous!
I've seen some of these deadbeats around caring for their parents, imagine the gall, allowing your child to live with you so that they can care for you...they must be on drugs.

I can't believe that you immediately jump on EVERY young person living here....just because they are young! you must have been real drug addict delinquents when you were young!

[chuckster]

Big Lew you said it perfectly. I know of several caring younger people tending to their parents and working here in the villages. Checked Mon. 10/24 Daily Sun "Police Blotter" and found an astonishing number of criminal acts (ONE, I SAID 1) and it was for a license infraction. WOW, I SAY AGAIN, WOW, some crime wave by villagers. Personally I enjoy having open minded younger people to chat with, had my share of closed minded negative types that seem to get worse with age. jmho

[graciegirl]

I have spent my lifetime enjoying children. I taught preschoolers for several decades, went to school to learn all about children and their behavior and tried to be a good mother, grandmother, aunt and neighbor. I really enjoy kids of all ages, love their spirit, joy and exuberance. Love their attitudes, their fresh take on things and everything about them.

But my wise grandmother taught me something that I still believe.

There isn't a kid in the world that's cute after eight o'clock at night.

:wave:

[Mudder]

It must be 8 o'clock somewhere! Only kidding, spent years as a teacher.....you can also learn alot from the younger generation. .

[duffysmom]

I have spent my lifetime enjoying children. I taught preschoolers for several decades, went to school to learn all about children and their behavior and tried to be a good mother, grandmother, aunt and neighbor. I really enjoy kids of all ages, love their spirit, joy and exuberance. Love their attitudes, their fresh take on things and everything about them.

But my wise grandmother taught me something that I still believe.

There isn't a kid in the world that's cute after eight o'clock at night.

:wave:

Gracie, you go girl, you have a way of expressing yourself that keeps me coming back to TOTV. I was thinking that the girl posse should load their squirt guns with cool aid.:girlneener:

[alwann]

Re: the thread on crime in The Villages. Thought you'd find this interesting. From Ocean City Today newspaper report:

Based on the investigation, OCPD Narcotics Unit detectives with the assistance of the Worcester County Sheriff’s Criminal Enforcement Team obtained a Search and Seizure warrant for the suspect, his unit and vehicle which were located at 12704 Old Bridge Road in West Ocean City.

On October 7, 2011, police executed the Search and Seizure Warrant. As a result of the Search and Seizure Warrant, investigators seized the following items:

• Package containing 1lb and 1 oz of marijuana
• 6 additional bags of marijuana containing 4 additional oz of marijuana
• Several MDMA tablets
• Scales
• 2 computers
• Cell Phone
• $310 in cash

As a result of the investigation two persons have been arrested and charged as follows:
• Edward Dale Cropper Jr., 26, of The Villages, Florida has been charged with Possession of Marijuana with the Intent to Distribute, Possession of Marijuana, Possession of CDS Paraphernalia
• Susan Degregory, 52, of Ft. Lauderdale, Florida has been charged with Possession of MDMA.

[eweissenbach]

Re: the thread on crime in The Villages. Thought you'd find this interesting. From Ocean City Today newspaper report:

Based on the investigation, OCPD Narcotics Unit detectives with the assistance of the Worcester County Sheriff’s Criminal Enforcement Team obtained a Search and Seizure warrant for the suspect, his unit and vehicle which were located at 12704 Old Bridge Road in West Ocean City.

On October 7, 2011, police executed the Search and Seizure Warrant. As a result of the Search and Seizure Warrant, investigators seized the following items:

• Package containing 1lb and 1 oz of marijuana
• 6 additional bags of marijuana containing 4 additional oz of marijuana
• Several MDMA tablets
• Scales
• 2 computers
• Cell Phone
• $310 in cash

As a result of the investigation two persons have been arrested and charged as follows:
• Edward Dale Cropper Jr., 26, of The Villages, Florida has been charged with Possession of Marijuana with the Intent to Distribute, Possession of Marijuana, Possession of CDS Paraphernalia
• Susan Degregory, 52, of Ft. Lauderdale, Florida has been charged with Possession of MDMA.

There is a very spirited thread right now on Talk of Ocean City (TOOC) regarding Florida people coming to Ocean City and how they should not be allowed in the town.

[graciegirl]

I take it that Ocean City is not in Florida.

[eweissenbach]

I take it that Ocean City is not in Florida.

Maryland; btw my post was tongue in cheek

[Pturner]

Gracie, you go girl, you have a way of expressing yourself that keeps me coming back to TOTV. I was thinking that the girl posse should load their squirt guns with cool aid.:girlneener:

Excellent suggestion, Duffysmom!

[rubicon]

Well those young whippersnappers are at it again. Appears a young villager was arrested for exposing herself while at Spanish Springs. Police acutally witnessed the event and arrested the (50) year old for intoxication. God what's this younger generation coming to anyway.....Kids

[LittleDog]

Well those young whippersnappers are at it again. Appears a young villager was arrested for exposing herself while at Spanish Springs. Police acutally witnessed the event and arrested the (50) year old for intoxication. God what's this younger generation coming to anyway.....Kids

I believe she was from Lady Lake which means, at least to me, that she was probably not a Villager.

John

[rubicon]

I believe she was from Lady Lake which means, at least to me, that she was probably not a Villager.

John

jrheydt: Today's Daily Sun said "A Villages woman" Page C-4 &9........just saying

[graciegirl]

I read it too in The Daily Sun and it was a "Villages Woman" and a nice looking blond, they showed her picture and gave her name and age, (50), and she was apparently putting on quite a show. Those prolonged two for one cocktail hours affect everyone differently. ;)

[Chief X]

My address is Lady Lake and I definitely live in the Villages.

[LindaK]

Most of "the young" that live with parents/grandparents in TV are NOT the ones that are EMT's or productive members of society. The exception are "the young" that just graduated from college or in between jobs and actively looking for jobs. "The young" that live here full-time (for the most part) should be moving to family friendly neighborhoods with their "enabling" elders.

[Posh 08]

Most of "the young" that live with parents/grandparents in TV are NOT the ones that are EMT's or productive members of society. The exception are "the young" that just graduated from college or in between jobs and actively looking for jobs. "The young" that live here full-time (for the most part) should be moving to family friendly neighborhoods with their "enabling" elders.

I fret that there are too many of the latter for my idea of an over 55 retirement community. :sigh:

[billethkid]

ah-hah there are differing categories of young we need to be aware of here. Maybe we could get them to wear differing colored arm band so we know which ones are creating the problem.....FOR SOME!

btk

[Posh 08]

ah-hah there are differing categories of young we need to be aware of here. Maybe we could get them to wear differing colored arm band so we know which ones are creating the problem.....FOR SOME!

btk

don't take me wrong, but I want to get away from all that.

[Barefoot]

Tattoos. Funny. My wife and I never seen so many women in Florida with tattoos.From the Mid-West,we have never seen this. Not just young women but,Grannies for God sakes.Many from the villages.

Grannies With Tatts. Oh my. Next they'll be dying their hair, shedding their aprons, driving motorcycles, and hanging out at the Town Squares. :lipsrsealed:

[eweissenbach]

don't take me wrong, but I want to get away from all that.

I respect your right to make your own decisions, but it is hard for me to beleive that anyone would avoid The Villages because there are TOO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE.

[Posh 08]

Grannies With Tatts. Oh my. Next they'll be dying their hair, shedding their aprons, driving motorcycles, and hanging out at the Town Squares. :lipsrsealed:

I know a Nanna with tatts, sweet potato pie and hush my mouth. Pop Pop might have one too. Oh geezers.

[Posh 08]

I respect your right to make your own decisions, but it is hard for me to beleive that anyone would avoid The Villages because there are TOO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE.

OK coach, I've seen a different side of that coin. Let's just leave it there please.

[graciegirl]

Everyone is different. I have to lecture myself when I see a woman with a tattoo. I think this old dog is having a hard time learning new tricks.

That is just my opinion and I probably am wrong. Do NOT like tattoos. On girls.:loco::wave:

[Posh 08]

Everyone is different. I have to lecture myself when I see a woman with a tattoo. I think this old dog is having a hard time learning new tricks.

That is just my opinion and I probably am wrong. Do NOT like tattoos. On girls.:loco::wave:

I do not like green eggs and ham, LOL.

[janetssmith]

I still don't understand that if the rules say over 55 then how does someone in their 20's live here?

[Taltarzac725]

I still don't understand that if the rules say over 55 then how does someone in their 20's live here?

20% of the Villages population can be under 55. That is so that the Villages can keep its status as a retirement community. It is under 19 year olds who cannot live here for longer than a certain number of days per year. The Villages, Florida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida)

[RedChariot]

I still don't understand that if the rules say over 55 then how does someone in their 20's live here?

Between the accident on Buena Vista, the drugs, and the speeding, TV needs to tread carefully. The more the word gets out about these issues, we risk turning off the senior that wants a community for older adults. We did not come here to risk our lives with drunk 20 year olds speeding and breaking and entering our homes. Some of what goes on here we were not aware even after staying for 6 weeks prior to buying.
I call upon you all that have knowledge of the workings of TV-Can this be changed so there are less young people living here?

[Schaumburger]

I still don't understand that if the rules say over 55 then how does someone in their 20's live here?

I'm guessing most people in their 20's are living with their parents who have relocated here from up north. So mahy people who have graduated from college in the past few yrs. are having problems finding work.

[Bryan]

You gotta learn to real the rules, all the rules, including the fine print. The rules say that one person on the deed (not living in the house) must by over 55 Y/O in 80% of the houses. Other rules say no one under 19 Y/O can visit (live?) here more than 30 days a year - no restrictions if they've over 19 - can visit (live?) as long as they can find someone to take them in.

[carm310]

Not all young people are irresponsible drunks and thieves. There are many young people working in the community and supporting the lifestyle of The Villages. There is risk in life no matter where you live.

We have a home in TV and plan to move there after out daughter graduates high school, she plans to live with us and attend a local community college. Our neighbors in TV have loved her and embraced her. She is blessed to have so many people cheering her on and watching her grow into a beautiful, responsible young woman.

Personally, I have always been drawn to people older than me, I practically grew up in my grandparent's home, they lived two doors from my childhood home. Someone asked why young people would want to be with seniors, perhaps that is one thing wrong with our society..many cultures show more respect for their elders. I think to some extent that has been lost in our country. I have raised my kids to respect, appreciate and love their elders and when my 19 year old daughter moves to Florida with us she will have more people to love!

[Taltarzac725]

Not all young people are irresponsible drunks and thieves. There are many young people working in the community and supporting the lifestyle of The Villages. There is risk in life no matter where you live.

We have a home in TV and plan to move there after out daughter graduates high school, she plans to live with us and attend a local community college. Our neighbors in TV have loved her and embraced her. She is blessed to have so many people cheering her on and watching her grow into a beautiful, responsible young woman.

Personally, I have always been drawn to people older than me, I practically grew up in my grandparent's home, they lived two doors from my childhood home. Someone asked why young people would want to be with seniors, perhaps that is one thing wrong with our society..many cultures show more respect for their elders. I think to some extent that has been lost in our country. I have raised my kids to respect, appreciate and love their elders and when my 19 year old daughter moves to Florida with us she will have more people to love!

Good post. Carm310. I have often enjoyed hearing the wisdom of seniors. My closest friend through the college years was a woman born around 1900. This was from 1976 through 1982. She really hated lawyers so our friendship kind of cooled after I went to Law School at BYU in 1982. I dropped out of Law School at BYU after just about 10 days but soon went to Denver U. to get a MA in Librarianship. (1984)

I am an under 55 year old living with my parents. I had been very much interested in getting pratical materials for survivors/victims of crimes into libraries of all kinds after finding very few useful materials for this group in libraries in the Reno, NV. My interest stemmed from the murder of my then high school English teacher's daughter Michelle in 1976 on my birthday of 2-24.

I managed to fight for survivors/victims access to practical information with some solid results from 1992 through at least 2000. I had been nominated for 24 Marquis Who's Who publications from around 1992 through 2004. Knowing lawyers and politicians I have tried to do as much of this work as I can in writing to leave a paper trial which is followed very easily.

I had looked for practical materials in libraries for survivors/victims of crimes in Denver while getting my graduate degree (MA in Librarianship) as well as in the Twin Cities while getting a Law Degree (U of MN, Class of 1989). I found very little which was of any practical value.

I did real damage though to my references and work history. I was also branded a "zealot" by some with respect to this cause which did my reputation some harm. A lot of people did not like my personal connections to survivors/victims rights and how honest I was in mentioning this interest.

Gary Corsair, a Villages Daily Sun reporter, had done a Memorial Day story on me and my efforts back in 2007. I had been trying to get the FL Victim Services Directory linked to Sumter/Lake/and Marion County area libraries. I did manage to get a link to this resource at Lake County but as far as I know there is no longer one there.

If people in the Villages think this is a worthy cause, I hope that you to will drop an e-mail or a line or a visit to your County library and get a link to the Florida Victim Services Directory from those County library web-sites.

I have really enjoyed my interactions with people here on TOTV as well as other Villagers in person during the almost 7 years I have lived in the Villages.

I had got wonderful suggestions and help from various chapters of Mothers Against Drunk Driving when I was more active in my work for survivors/victims of crimes like Drunk Driving. This could be a direction for other TOTVers to take with getting more education about Drunk Driving for under 55ers who live in the Villages with their parents or grandparents. MADD - FLORIDA (http://www.madd.org/local-offices/fl/)

[CaptJohn]

Nice post Carm310. I too have always enjoyed the wisdom of my elders.

[skip0358]

I still don't understand that if the rules say over 55 then how does someone in their 20's live here?

The rule by FEDERAL law says 20% can be under 55. Anbody over 19 can live here. It is written in the restrictions. They're not breaking the law.

[Dirigo]

Let face it there is no visible presence of authority. Yes the local PD does at times set up speed traps ( which is fine with me ). There is never a patrol car just patrolling, part of prevention is a visible presence of authority.

I got stopped Saturday night on St Charles for having a headlight out by a patrolling officer.

[anlashokna]

Hi

Just thought a 37 year old would post and let you know I'm living in TV and not a hoodlum :) Don't smoke, do drugs or have tats. :) I'm staying with my mother while my father is working the year in another state. Looking after her and making her feel safe in a new place. So nope not all of us are here for free rides or criminal activity. Have an AS and BA and actually looking for a new job since I just got here so if anyone knows of good job sites would love the info. :angel:

[Bogie Shooter]

Hi

Just thought a 37 year old would post and let you know I'm living in TV and not a hoodlum :) Don't smoke, do drugs or have tats. :) I'm staying with my mother while my father is working the year in another state. Looking after her and making her feel safe in a new place. So nope not all of us are here for free rides or criminal activity. Have an AS and BA and actually looking for a new job since I just got here so if anyone knows of good job sites would love the info. :angel:

Welcome to The Villages and a part of our 20%.
Good luck on the job search.

[asianthree]

Hi

Just thought a 37 year old would post and let you know I'm living in TV and not a hoodlum :) Don't smoke, do drugs or have tats. :) I'm staying with my mother while my father is working the year in another state. Looking after her and making her feel safe in a new place. So nope not all of us are here for free rides or criminal activity. Have an AS and BA and actually looking for a new job since I just got here so if anyone knows of good job sites would love the info. :angel:
What a good son you are to help. And welcome what is your degree in

[graciegirl]

Hi

Just thought a 37 year old would post and let you know I'm living in TV and not a hoodlum :) Don't smoke, do drugs or have tats. :) I'm staying with my mother while my father is working the year in another state. Looking after her and making her feel safe in a new place. So nope not all of us are here for free rides or criminal activity. Have an AS and BA and actually looking for a new job since I just got here so if anyone knows of good job sites would love the info. :angel:

Welcome. I hope you are enjoying everyday here in lower paradise with us.

[gatherer47]

Coming to the Villages permanently June 22 after snow birding since 2010.Can't wait to get away from my crime filled,gang ridden,drug crazed,and potholed high taxed small Pennsylvania town.I'll take the Villages crime rate anyday.

[buggyone]

Welcome to The Villages and a part of our 20%.
Good luck on the job search.

BogieShooter - you do not understand. Federal law says 20% of HOMEOWNERS can be under 55 years old. If a person 19 years old or more is living with a Village resident who is 55 or older, there is no time limit on the length they can live there. Those people are NOT part of the 20% of homeowners who are under age 55.

[gatherer47]

BogieShooter understands everything.If you don't believe ME just ask HIM! Just pulling your chain Bogie.You've won me over.Enjoy your posts.

[Bogie Shooter]

BogieShooter - you do not understand. Federal law says 20% of HOMEOWNERS can be under 55 years old. If a person 19 years old or more is living with a Village resident who is 55 or older, there is no time limit on the length they can live there. Those people are NOT part of the 20% of homeowners who are under age 55.

I stand corrected.
Maybe anlashokna will buy a house and then he/she will become a part of the 20%. Oops, he/she will have to get a spouse older than 55.
This could drive one to :beer3:

[looneycat]

I am probably going to stir up a hornet's nest here but I am wondering how my fellow Villagers feel about the rash of crimes being committed by younger Villages residents. It seems that the police blotter now reports crimes on a regular basis where the perpetrators are residents, in their 20s. Somehow I don't see The Villages as a place where I should have to worry about unsavory young people being "among us" and possibly living next door. Before I get too many negative comments I will state that I see listed a number of older Villagers involved in criminal acts, also. No place is perfect. I get that. BUT, does anyone else feel that allowing anyone over "19" to live here is in our best interests? I understand that there may be some kids in their 20s who enjoy living with a bunch of seniors. Most kids I know would want no part of that on a regular basis. This is an "over 55" community and I know that younger folks can buy and live here. I have no problem with anyone over 45 buying a home and living here. The Morses made the rules that allow these kids to live here but I sure would like to see it changed to exclude them, except in the case of a disabled child who needs parental care. I liked living in my little "oasis", insulated from the fear and crime that is rampant in so many areas around us. Reading the police blotter these days has shaken my feelings of peace and security. Somehow, it all didn't matter quite so much when the criminals lived in Wildwood or Leesburg.

so everyone should leave the villages since there have been just as many over 45s on that blotter as there have been 'younguns', your feelings of peace should shake a little more since any of your neighbors could be 'criminals', age doesn't matter when it comes to crime.

[Taltarzac725]

so everyone should leave the villages since there have been just as many over 45s on that blotter as there have been 'younguns', your feelings of peace should shake a little more since any of your neighbors could be 'criminals', age doesn't matter when it comes to crime.

This was very interesting:

Crime Trends in the 21st Century | Legal SuperTips (http://www.superpages.com/supertips/crime.html)

I read in the recent POA Bulletin that the Seniors Against Crime unit of Sumter County is the most active chapter in FL. SVC in the News (http://www.seniorsvscrime.com/svcinthenews.htm)

Here's a link to that issue of the POA Bulletin http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201205.pdf

[the square]

Chief X,
Excellent points, well taken.

At the same time, I agree with VillagesFlorida's initial comment. I think LindaK nailed OP's point when she said that many of the adult children living here in their 20's-30's are "problem children that the parents had to bring with them," and that family-friendly neighborhoods would be better equipped to assimilate them. TV was planned and designed as a 55+ community and does not have the appropriate infrastructure and support systems to adequately accommodate 20-somethings, let alone problem ones who need more, not fewer, social support systems.

You hit the nail on the head..We don't want other peoples problem children becoming our problem..