"The Birthers Eat Their Own"

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This is a very amusing article from the (ooo, a liberal site) Washington Post.

Basically, it is one of the "be careful about what you wish for" items.

It concerns two Tea Party favorites, Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindahl.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-birthers-eat-their-own/2011/10/21/gIQA6Xc43L_story.html

[Guest]

This is a very amusing article from the (ooo, a liberal site) Washington Post.

Basically, it is one of the "be careful about what you wish for" items.

It concerns two Tea Party favorites, Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindahl.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-birthers-eat-their-own/2011/10/21/gIQA6Xc43L_story.html

WAPO is already catching major flack for it's misrepresentative and fallacious attacks on the people you've mentioned.

I also didn't know WAPO was considered to be part of the people who are known as "the birthers"?, as evidenced by your phrase "eating their own".

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Where's Oily Taits when you need her?

Piyush had his 15 minutes - he'll never be more than the governor of the poorest, most illiterate state in the nation.

Meanwhile, Rubio has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself.

You can't make this stuff up.............

[Guest]

Where's Oily Taits when you need her?

Piyush had his 15 minutes - he'll never be more than the governor of the poorest, most illiterate state in the nation.

Meanwhile, Rubio has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself.

You can't make this stuff up.............

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[Guest]

Where's Oily Taits when you need her?

Piyush had his 15 minutes - he'll never be more than the governor of the poorest, most illiterate state in the nation.

Meanwhile, Rubio has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself.

You can't make this stuff up.............


Proof that fact is stranger than fiction-For any given problem in the USA today, fill in the blank:

Meanwhile, ________________ has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself.


You can't make this stuff up.......

[Guest]

Only two things in this world are proven facts.

1. Flys will never stop leaving fly poop on your windows.

2. Politicans will never stop lying.

[Guest]

Richie, I actually never heard of The Washington Post callled WAPO - and I lived there and read the Post for over 38 years. How 'bout that? Something new every day.

Of course, the Post is not in the birther group. Their opinion writer even state it is absurd to think those ridiculous claims would stop either Rubio or Jindal from being President or Vice-President. Those were claims by some of the "birthers" saying why Obama was not a natural-born citizen - but the "birthers" had not made mention of Jindal or Rubio. Sort of the good for the goose scenario, I guess.

As for attacking Rubio, there is the situation where Rubio did lie about his parents fleeing to the US when Castro came to power. "The absurd accusations of the birthers by themselves won’t stop Jindal or Rubio from becoming president. There are far more serious impediments in their way — most recently a devastating report by The Post’s Manuel Roig-Franzia proving false the central narrative of Rubio’s political rise: that he is the son of exiles who fled Cuba under Castro. In fact, his parents left the island, apparently for economic reasons, 21 / 2 years before Castro came to power."

Rubio does seem to be a decent family man but that is a pretty powerful lie and may hurt his future in politics. It will be interesting to see if and how he might change that claim.

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Bill Clinton lied his whole life. Never hurt his political rise.

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Well, Rubio has changed his official biography already.

"The 40-year-old freshman senator has always publicly identified with the exile community and has a strong following within it. In a campaign ad last year, he said: "As the son of exiles, I understand what it means to lose the gift of freedom." Rubio's biography on his Senate website previously said he was "born in Miami to Cuban-born parents who come to America following Fidel Castro's takeover." It has been changed to say Rubio "was born in Miami in 1971 to Cuban exiles who first arrived in the United States in 1956."

But The Washington Post reported that Rubio's parents actually left Cuba in 1956, nearly three years before Castro seized power in a revolution against dictator Fulgencia Batista. Rubio's father was a store security guard when he and his wife left, according to Rubio's staff, and came to the U.S. for economic reasons."
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I have no problem with anyone coming to the country legally to better their life and I applaud Rubio's family for having the courage to do that. However, Marco should have said that in the first place instead of lying about it. He had nothing to gain by that big lie. Is this going to hurt his political life? Who knows - but it will be brought up in the future for sure.

[Guest]

Read the Constitution concerning "nature born citizen." None of the three meet that requirement. This country needs to start follow the letter of the law concerning the constitution. Enough is enough.

[Guest]

Read the Constitution concerning "nature born citizen." None of the three meet that requirement. This country needs to start follow the letter of the law concerning the constitution. Enough is enough.
I agree and think we should start with the Kenyan.

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So, Village Golfer, you do not believe that Tea Party favorites Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal are constitutionally qualified to be be President because their parents were not born in the USA? We know your feeling and opinion on President Obama.

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So, Village Golfer, you do not believe that Tea Party favorites Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal are constitutionally qualified to be be President because their parents were not born in the USA? We know your feeling and opinion on President Obama.
Well, if the Kenyan village idiot set a precedent, who am I to complain?

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buggyone, neither do I and I support the TEA party. Part of supporting the TEA party platform is to follow the constitution. Since neither of the three's parents, both sides, mother and father, where US citizens at the time of their birth, they are not qualified, according to the constitution to be Pres or Vice Pres. You really need to get out more.

BTW, when you are going to answer the other post about the re-qual requirements of CCW holders here in Florida? Just wondering.

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Read the Constitution concerning "nature born citizen." None of the three meet that requirement. This country needs to start follow the letter of the law concerning the constitution. Enough is enough.


:agree:

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Well, if the Kenyan village idiot set a precedent, who am I to complain?

I would be the first to complain. Either we follow the Constitution or get rid of it. Can't have it both ways.

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isn't it a waste of keystrokes trying to figure out which politician lied about what.
Now if you want to do a real comparison the first order of business is acknowledging, all politicians lie.
So all discussions revolve around who it is that is being discussed and who the media needs to funnel the biggest rocks at. They are masters at sort out the different shades of liarism.

Do you not know that politician is a synonym for liar!!!

btk

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I believe we should abide by the US Constitution. If it is true about Rubio and Jindhal then they should be disqualified but then so should Obama.

Worse yet if it is true then what we have occurring is a political tit for tat (i.e if Obama can get away with it why can't our guy?)

so what we should be doing is immediately re-vetting Obama qualifications to see if he was eligible and is now eligible to ru for a second term.. We should also demand the same documentation from rubio and Jindhal and let the cards fall as they may. I'm gamed

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i believe we should abide by the us constitution. If it is true about rubio and jindhal then they should be disqualified but then so should obama.

Worse yet if it is true then what we have occurring is a political tit for tat (i.e if obama can get away with it why can't our guy?)

so what we should be doing is immediately re-vetting obama qualifications to see if he was eligible and is now eligible to ru for a second term.. We should also demand the same documentation from rubio and jindhal and let the cards fall as they may. i'm gamed

absolutely!

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It seems according to this site conclusions, as the U.S. Constitution does not specifically define the term, but leaves it to legislature to determine, that Rubio and Jindal are indeed natural born citizens and each easily can produce proof of their U.S. birth.

Pres. Obama?; if you believe all that has been presented under way too many controversial situations, is also. I'm still skeptical, but it's his fault and not mine. It should have been able to be easily and quickly proved, and it wasn't and still isn't.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

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I don't think there is any doubt that Rubio, Jindal, and Obama actually were born in the USA. The way I understand the ridiculous claim of the "birthers" is that if the parents are both not US citizens at the time of the child's birth, the child is not "natural born citizen".

Of course, Obama, Rubio, and Jindal are natural born citizens of the USA.

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Where's Oily Taits when you need her?

Piyush had his 15 minutes - he'll never be more than the governor of the poorest, most illiterate state in the nation.

Meanwhile, Rubio has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself.

You can't make this stuff up.............


Richie, allow me.

Where's Orly Taitz (a leader in the birther movement) when you need her?

Piyush "Bobby Jindal" (Governor of Louisiana) had his 15 minutes - he'll never be more than the governor of the poorest, most illiterate state in the nation. (Mississippi)

Meanwhile, Rubio has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself. (WaPo and The St. Petersburg Times have tried to stir-up controversy regarding Rubio's autobiography where he said his parents fled Cuba to escape Castro and communism. Come to find out, they left 2.5 years before Castro took power. Rubio's mother returned to Cuba in 1961 with the intention of staying in her homeland. She was exiled from Cuba and said she'd never return because of Communism.)

You can't make this stuff up........(For sure.)

[Guest]

Richie, allow me.

Where's Orly Taitz (a leader in the birther movement) when you need her?

Piyush "Bobby Jindal" (Governor of Louisiana) had his 15 minutes - he'll never be more than the governor of the poorest, most illiterate state in the nation. (Mississippi)

Meanwhile, Rubio has been busy updating his biography in an attempt to cover the lies he has been spewing about himself. (WaPo and The St. Petersburg Times have tried to stir-up controversy regarding Rubio's autobiography where he said his parents fled Cuba to escape Castro and communism. Come to find out, they left 2.5 years before Castro took power. Rubio's mother returned to Cuba in 1961 with the intention of staying in her homeland. She was exiled from Cuba and said she'd never return because of Communism.)

You can't make this stuff up........(For sure.)

Thank you BK, I didn't understand the meanings that were the insult, and the racial prejudice in that post. I appreciate the translation.

I haven't read Rubio's account but his parents did leave because of a dictator and that dictator's name was Batista. Batista was bad enough, but Castro was the greater evil, if you will, and ended the dream of his parents to return to their country when things got better. They only got much worse.

Where can I find Rubio's own account where he specifically mentions Castro?

[Guest]

Everyone needs to learn the difference between "native born" and "natural born" citizen. Check with constitutional scholars and see what they have to say. There is a big difference.

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All Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal have to do is hire a bunch of lawyers, hide their birth certificate, seal all school records, bribe the press and go out there and promise hope and change.;)

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Everyone needs to learn the difference between "native born" and "natural born" citizen. Check with constitutional scholars and see what they have to say. There is a big difference.

It's still only opinion. Different learned people have come to different interpretations, it seems.

It's going to take a legislative decision and maybe even a high court ruling on that decision, but I don't think that's forthcoming after the Obama controversy.

Besides, I think the Obama controversy settled that question already. If the courts refused to hear the argument about Obama's qualifications, how can they now argue differently on anyone else.

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That's right...if the courts say the Emperor is dressed, then he is dressed.:oops:

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Village Golfer, what do you personally think? Do you believe that Rubio and Jindal are natural born citizens of the USA and could be eligible for President? I do without a doubt.

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No they are not. They are native born citizens, not natural born citizens. If they were Democrats nothing would be said, but since they are repubs it will go all the way to the 9 black robed idiots to make a decision. Everyone thinks that they are the last word in law, they are not, the constitution is the last word. Almost all the laws passed by congress would not stand up to the constitution if we had a SCOTUS that studied the constitution and the federalist papers. Seems as though none of them can read or understand the constitution. If they understood and followed the constitution there would have been a 9-0 decision on the Heller vs DC 2 Amendment case. So it would seem that we have some on the court that would like to control all the citizens to conform to their way of thinking. It's going to come back to bite them in the back side if they are not careful.

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If a person wanted to know what person(s) were rising stars in the Republican Party and viewed by the voting public at large to be viable candidates he or she would not have to do anything else but focus on denigration be advanced by liberals toward that candidate or as Shakespear said "You protest too much, methinks."

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Figmo, The US Supreme Court is there to decide if laws are constitutional or not. That is the purpose of the Court.

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I am certainly not an expert in Constitutional law but believe Buggy is right on this one. Article One of the Fourteenth Amendment states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

This identifies two and only two classes of citizens - those born in the United States and naturalized citizens. Article 1 of the Constitution requires that Representatives be a citizen of the United states for not less than seven years. For Senators, the time is nine years. By implication this states that you become a citizen in one of two ways - being born here and being naturalized.

Article 2 states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." Again this appears to define only two classes of citizens - those born here and those naturalized.

It would take a significant amount of evidence to show that there exists a third class of citizen that existed, but was not identified, under the 14th Amendment; especially since Articles One and Two clearly identify two classes of citizens.

Drawing a distinction between 'natural born citizen' and born citizen appears to be one heck of a stretch. However, that is what lawyers do - contort words to have them mean something else. Remember, it took a lawyer to say, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word is is" with a straight face.

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Everyone needs to learn the difference between "native born" and "natural born" citizen. Check with constitutional scholars and see what they have to say. There is a big difference.

Don't know if you're technically right or wrong, but what might be called "The Obama Decision" has made your theory irrelevant. If Obama can be President, Rubio and Jindal have better birth credentials than he does. I think it's "case closed".