Political Leanings and The Villages

[Guest]

You've hosted FOX and Friends. You've had Sarah Palin as an invited speaker. This blog is dominated by Republicans. Obviously The Villages is a Mecca for the right wing.

Do you really want to lower your property values by alienating would be buyers?

[Guest]

You've hosted FOX and Friends. You've had Sarah Palin as an invited speaker. This blog is dominated by Republicans. Obviously The Villages is a Mecca for the right wing.

Do you really want to lower your property values by alienating would be buyers?

No reason to bait anybody here because Villagers do not talk politics with their neighbors. I do not care what my neighbor votes.

[Guest]

Well, Sumter Co. registered voters:

Republican: 48.2%
Democrat: 32.8%
Other: 18.9%

No one should or should not move to TV because of their political leanings. As VG stated, it's a topic that's rarely discussed with neighbors.

I'm not worried about my property values....

[Guest]

No reason to bait anybody here because Villagers do not talk politics with their neighbors. I do not care what my neighbor votes.

I've read your posts. I think that you do care.

Pat Buchanan a well respected Conservative says "the difference between a political philosophy and a political ideology is that the political philosophy can change when new facts are presented".

[Guest]

You've hosted FOX and Friends. You've had Sarah Palin as an invited speaker. This blog is dominated by Republicans. Obviously The Villages is a Mecca for the right wing.

Do you really want to lower your property values by alienating would be buyers?

Don't think the Morse's are worried about it. Still selling houses as fast as they build them.

[Guest]

I've read your posts. I think that you do care.

Pat Buchanan a well respected Conservative says "the difference between a political philosophy and a political ideology is that the political philosophy can change when new facts are presented".

No idea where you are coming from. You started this thread about lowering home values because of the politicians that come here to visit or sell books?
I am telling you that I have no idea what party my friends and neighbors are associated with. We have many parties and socials and politics never have come up. We just do not care about that stuff.

[Guest]

You've hosted FOX and Friends. You've had Sarah Palin as an invited speaker. This blog is dominated by Republicans. Obviously The Villages is a Mecca for the right wing.

Do you really want to lower your property values by alienating would be buyers?

Fortunately, I have never had a political discussion with the neighbors. I am praying that it stays that way as the election season gets closer. I have never met in person any of the more strident right wingers who post here. I doubt they would say in person some of the things they say here. Everyone I have met here has been kind, generous and welcoming...

[Guest]

Fortunately, I have never had a political discussion with the neighbors. I am praying that it stays that way as the election season gets closer. I have never met in person any of the more strident right wingers who post here. I doubt they would say in person some of the things they say here. Everyone I have met here has been kind, generous and welcoming...

I have never met the more strident left wingers who post here. I doubt they would say in person some of the things they say here. Gee, that was fun to say.
I do not talk politics with anybody here in the flesh except a few that are dear friends and we keep it light. I would say anything I say here to anybody's face.
I am proud of my heritage. My father was a liberal. I have been my own person all my life. I do not hide behind a computer.

[Guest]

We don't talk politics with the neighbors. Lots of other things to talk about, and when you find that your neighbors are friendly, caring, conversational, interesting, decent, and responsible, it just goes to show that people on both sides of the political aisle have good qualities in common.

Really, it's the campaigning politicians that stir up rancor and animosity, pitting the "haves" against the "have nots".

Here, everyone is "rich" with quality homes, friendships, recreation and sunshine. I don't think anybody resents the wealthier people here, because we all have the same amenities and lifestyle etc.

[Guest]

how much did political leanings matter where ever you hail from? Almost none at all.
How many people chose to live where they did because of political leanings?
Almost none.
How many people even give a nano seconds thoughts to the political leanings of TV when they come to visit? I venture to say NONE.
How many times does the question of political leanings come into play when people are searching/researching the area? None.

The only place there are political discussions are in political quorums/forums like this one.

I hate to see you disappointed but political leanings is just not on the agenda of daily lives thank GOD for that....unless one is a politician.

btk

[Guest]

I express my opinion when a political discussion arises. Sometimes with total strangers in social settings. We listen to each other and share view points. Why wouldn't you?

You are correct, most people here in TV have conservative values. I suppose that is why they are here. If you are conservative and have worked your entire life and plan to enjoy your retirement years in a place where you can make new friends and enjoy yourself, you wouldn't select to live in a place that is mostly liberal minded.

Sometimes, I even tell some of my friends, both liberals and conservatives, some of the ideologies liberals spout here on TOTV. We usually just shake our heads and laugh.

[Guest]

Very seldom will you find yourself in a political discussion with friends or neighbors. if you do and find you do not want to discuss politics, just say so. No problem.

Village Golfer says he has never met the more liberal posters. I am good buddies with a couple of the more conservative posters on the forum and we meet for an ice-cold Yeungling on a fairly regular basis - to lie about our golf game, Village life, and to yank each other's chain on politics. You cannot take these postings too serious. They do mean something but I hope we could all meet each other and enjoy each other's company.

[Guest]

Very seldom will you find yourself in a political discussion with friends or neighbors. if you do and find you do not want to discuss politics, just say so. No problem.

Village Golfer says he has never met the more liberal posters. I am good buddies with a couple of the more conservative posters on the forum and we meet for an ice-cold Yeungling on a fairly regular basis - to lie about our golf game, Village life, and to yank each other's chain on politics. You cannot take these postings too serious. They do mean something but I hope we could all meet each other and enjoy each other's company.

Nicely said, and I am pleased to be among those conservative friends of yours at those gatherings we've come to enjoy. You do seem to enjoy yanking the chain a bit too much though :) (kidding, kidding of course)

It's fun to share ideas, and I've actually learned to view some things in a different light at times. Not that I think I've impacted your thought process one iota. (I'll keep trying)

I would suggest to the OP in light of your feelings as evidenced in this thread, that you try not to carry your political thoughts beyond this forum unless you're sure of your company. Anger is always a turnoff and never helps you win a debate. (something we all need to remember, myself included)

[Guest]

Sometimes I lean to the left, sometimes I lean to the right, right now I am just trying to get lean.

[Guest]

I believe what is important is the individual candidate and the heck with
labels like Liberal or Conservative. I personally believe that Obama is the most
dangerous President we have ever had. He is a revolutionary against a
demoncratic society, and this is not open to debate. His actions speak for themselves. This is not a statement against Demoncrats, (e.g. I have played chop sticks with Eleanor Roosevelt, packed her groceries and she drove her own car with no security during her older years. She was a great lady and her husband did some good work too.)
He has a "poor mans" mentality which has led him to sponsoring attempts at class struggles and separations. Does all this make me a "conservative" then I confess I am a conservative. :posting:

[Guest]

I believe what is important is the individual candidate and the heck with
labels like Liberal or Conservative. I personally believe that Obama is the most
dangerous President we have ever had. He is a revolutionary against a
demoncratic society, and this is not open to debate. His actions speak for themselves. This is not a statement against Democrats, (e.g. I have played chop sticks with Eleanor Roosevelt, packed her groceries and she drove her own car with no security during her older years. She was a great lady and her husband did some good work too.)

He has a "poor mans" mentality which has led him to sponsoring attempts at class struggles and separations. Does all this make me a "conservative" then I confess I am a conservative. :posting:

I agree 100%. I vote for the candidate and their ideas and personal integrity, not the party and its power mongers.

About Obama's "poor man's" mentality, I think you are right. He was born not a part of the American black slave descendants' heritage/culture, and his communist American grandparents' and mother's table talk and foreign and elite private education in Hawaii set him apart from typical caucasian heritage/society too.

He sadly did not have a father in his life, and it shows. He does not fit in with American society, black or white, and his adoption of Jeremiah Wright's "Hate Whitey" philosophy shows.

[Guest]

I stand my ground.

The people that manage the Villages broadcast FOX News in and near the town squares.

Ask yourselves if the committee that invites guest speakers would ever invite Bill Clinton. Would they ever invite Paul O'Neil who was critical of Bush economic policy and was Bush's first Secretary of the Treasury?

If your answer is no. Then my charge of political intolerance has merit.

[Guest]

I stand my ground.

The people that manage the Villages broadcast FOX News in and near the town squares.

Ask yourselves if the committee that invites guest speakers would ever invite Bill Clinton. Would they ever invite Paul O'Neil who was critical of Bush economic policy and was Bush's first Secretary of the Treasury?

If your answer is no. Then my charge of political intolerance has merit.

The Villages is not a democracy. It is being built by private enterprise and they have as much right to invite whom they please.
For instance, The New York Times is a left-leaning rag and they can invite any person they want to write columns and editorials. You will not see many conservative opinions or writers in that fish-wrap.

[Guest]

I express my opinion when a political discussion arises. Sometimes with total strangers in social settings. We listen to each other and share view points. Why wouldn't you?

You are correct, most people here in TV have conservative values. I suppose that is why they are here. If you are conservative and have worked your entire life and plan to enjoy your retirement years in a place where you can make new friends and enjoy yourself, you wouldn't select to live in a place that is mostly liberal minded.

Sometimes, I even tell some of my friends, both liberals and conservatives, some of the ideologies liberals spout here on TOTV. We usually just shake our heads and laugh.

Here is a quote from Eisenhower's letter to his brother Edgar:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Please refer to the following website for the full text:

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/presidential-papers/first-term/documents/1147.cfm

The modern Republican party represents the interests of the corporations as it always has, But the corporations no longer need the American Middle Class. These multinational corporations have become quasi-American entities with no distinct loyalties to America. This belief is the foundation of my hostility toward the Republican party and to some Democrats.

[Guest]

The Villages is not a democracy. It is being built by private enterprise and they have as much right to invite whom they please.
For instance, The New York Times is a left-leaning rag and they can invite any person they want to write columns and editorials. You will not see many conservative opinions or writers in that fish-wrap.

You've confirmed my conclusions.

The IRS should read this post when they decide to decide the validity of your tax exempt bonds.

[Guest]

Here is a quote from Eisenhower's letter to his brother Edgar:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Please refer to the following website for the full text:

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/presidential-papers/first-term/documents/1147.cfm

The modern Republican party represents the interests of the corporations as it always has, But the corporations no longer need the American Middle Class. These multinational corporations have become quasi-American entities with no distinct loyalties to America. This belief is the foundation of my hostility toward the Republican party and to some Democrats.
You should do more research. There are more rich democrats then republicans. Wall Street and dems are in bed with each other and contributions to dems from major corporations equal or pass those for repubs. Your stereotyping is plenty old but it insists today because the democrats and media like it that way.

[Guest]

You've confirmed my conclusions.

The IRS should read this post when they decide to decide the validity of your tax exempt bonds.

???????????? What the heck is this supposed to mean?

[Guest]

For goodness sakes, I am with you RichieLion, I don't understand that one either.

[Guest]

???????????? What the heck is this supposed to mean?

I don't know if your builder's attorneys have resolved this yet, but my readings revealed that the IRS has contested the notion that your town centers are bona-fide government bodies. Therefore they are contesting the builders right to issue tax exempt bonds.

For more information copy and paste the heading of this post into google.

[Guest]

You should do more research. There are more rich democrats then republicans. Wall Street and dems are in bed with each other and contributions to dems from major corporations equal or pass those for repubs. Your stereotyping is plenty old but it insists today because the democrats and media like it that way.

You've read Eisenhower's statement, and you've failed to address my premise. Is the Republican Party supporting corporations that no longer have an interest in a strong American Middle Class?

[Guest]

I stand my ground.

The people that manage the Villages broadcast FOX News in and near the town squares.

Ask yourselves if the committee that invites guest speakers would ever invite Bill Clinton. Would they ever invite Paul O'Neil who was critical of Bush economic policy and was Bush's first Secretary of the Treasury?

If your answer is no. Then my charge of political intolerance has merit.

Of course they would never invite Bill Clinton. I don't know what they are afraid of in having some more liberal speakers or heaven forbid, a democrat. We do know that they exist, after all. I can tell you that I watched the FOX broadcast from here and when the ONE more liberal guest was speaking, I heard some boo'ing. It extends to the "newspaper", a term I use loosely. I was talking with a lady attorney last month and she told me that her group had invited a democratic candidate for a state level position (I think it was state) and that they had 450 people in attendance. Not ONE word in the paper. It is the one sidedness of TV position that bothers me a lot. I would be equally bothered if it was a liberal community that never had a conservative speaker. We are adults after all. If you don't want to hear a more liberal speaker...DON'T COME.

Even with the above, I love it here. This is, however, a company town in every sense of the word. A beautiful and wonderful company town.

[Guest]

You've read Eisenhower's statement, and you've failed to address my premise. Is the Republican Party supporting corporations that no longer have an interest in a strong American Middle Class?

I would say that average middle America can identify more with Republicans then Dems. Democrats are now associated with union labor (mostly public union) minorities, and the fringe groups like homosexuals, progressives, communists, socialists etc.

[Guest]

Of course they would never invite Bill Clinton. I don't know what they are afraid of in having some more liberal speakers or heaven forbid, a democrat. We do know that they exist, after all. I can tell you that I watched the FOX broadcast from here and when the ONE more liberal guest was speaking, I heard some boo'ing. It extends to the "newspaper", a term I use loosely. I was talking with a lady attorney last month and she told me that her group had invited a democratic candidate for a state level position (I think it was state) and that they had 450 people in attendance. Not ONE word in the paper. It is the one sidedness of TV position that bothers me a lot. I would be equally bothered if it was a liberal community that never had a conservative speaker. We are adults after all. If you don't want to hear a more liberal speaker...DON'T COME.

Even with the above, I love it here. This is, however, a company town in every sense of the word. A beautiful and wonderful company town.

I was down there last year and it is indeed beautiful. I especially enjoyed the golf cart paths and bicycled all over. Regretfully, on the bus ride back to the airport I had to endure the rantings about Obama's nationality. That along with the IRS mess made us question whether the Villages is for us.

[Guest]

I would say that average middle America can identify more with Republicans then Dems. Democrats are now associated with union labor (mostly public union) minorities, and the fringe groups like homosexuals, progressives, communists, socialists etc.

Once again you side stepped the issue that was presented. So the public unions are the new enemy. I'll bet that came from FOX news.

I think that you've forgotten to use the less tolerant names for those ethnic groups that are traditionally Democrat. You know the ethnic names that you use when you are with like thinking friends.

Since you've seen fit to characterize the typical Democrat, I feel obliged to draw parallels between the Republicans and the Nazi's. Ideally you would like to outlaw the unions. The Nazi's did that. Minorities and gays that didn't quite fit the Fascist ideal were dealt with. Don't you wish they could go away too? The Nazis found a way. Communists and Socialists were sent to the death camps.

[Guest]

Once again you side stepped the issue that was presented. So the public unions are the new enemy. I'll bet that came from FOX news.

I think that you've forgotten to use the less tolerant names for those ethnic groups that are traditionally Democrat. You know the ethnic names that you use when you are with like thinking friends.

WOW...How dare someone post this kind of un-verified and slanderous stuff. Never ceases to amaze me of how much people think they know about what others say and do when they are "with like thinking friends"...

[Guest]

WOW...How dare someone post this kind of un-verified and slanderous stuff. Never ceases to amaze me of how much people think they know about what others say and do when they are "with like thinking friends"...

We are all anonymous. Slander is not an issue.
Maybe I was insulted by the way Democrats were characterized.

Take a look at the polls. Even FOX news sees a move to the left.

[Guest]

I surely do hope and pray that some folks do not make a decision against moving to TV based on a minority representation by knuckleheads on the bus, this forum or any where else.

They are in the 1%!!!!!!

Politics is not the real life....please remember that.

btk

[Guest]

After reading all this it came to me that the overwhelming opinion about The Villages is that it is a great place to live, even for those on the left.
And furthermore the overwhelming political leaning is conservative or right. I have to believe that the number of happy conservatives sets the back drop and tone for the wonderful place The Villages has become.

Therefore I must surmise that if the USA as a whole was right leaning and conservative like The Villages it too would be a wonderful place to live. Not saying it is not a wonderful place, just could be more like TV!

Tell me where I am wrong?
EB

[Guest]

Once again you side stepped the issue that was presented. So the public unions are the new enemy. I'll bet that came from FOX news.

I think that you've forgotten to use the less tolerant names for those ethnic groups that are traditionally Democrat. You know the ethnic names that you use when you are with like thinking friends.

Since you've seen fit to characterize the typical Democrat, I feel obliged to draw parallels between the Republicans and the Nazi's. Ideally you would like to outlaw the unions. The Nazi's did that. Minorities and gays that didn't quite fit the Fascist ideal were dealt with. Don't you wish they could go away too? The Nazis found a way. Communists and Socialists were sent to the death camps.

Man, you are really out in left field, heh? You profile someone you never meant because he gave real facts about the membership of the democrat party. I expressed no opinions of the dems membership. I merely told you who is under the tent. There sounds like a bigot amonst us.

[Guest]

I would say that average middle America can identify more with Republicans then Dems. Democrats are now associated with union labor (mostly public union) minorities, and the fringe groups like homosexuals, progressives, communists, socialists etc.


You are saying that the gay and lesbian population of the USA are "fringe groups"? That definitely sounds like you are bigoted toward them. How about some of the Republicans who are gay and lesbian? Do you consider them to be part of "fringe groups" or does that hatred only stick to the Democrat gays and lesbians?

[Guest]

You are saying that the gay and lesbian population of the USA are "fringe groups"? That definitely sounds like you are bigoted toward them. How about some of the Republicans who are gay and lesbian? Do you consider them to be part of "fringe groups" or does that hatred only stick to the Democrat gays and lesbians?

How dare you? This is low even for your ilk. Where is the hatred? It is a fact that most homosexuals align themselves with the democrats. Your discredit yourself when you use the bigot card all the time.

[Guest]

Would you care to talk about issues on neutral ground over a beer? Maybe we can find common ground and bury the hatchet.

[Guest]

Would you care to talk about issues on neutral ground over a beer? Maybe we can find common ground and bury the hatchet.

I would never consider imbibing in alcohol beverages with someone who publicly called me a hateful bigot. Are you for real?

[Guest]

"I don't know if your builder's attorneys have resolved this yet, but my readings revealed that the IRS has contested the notion that your town centers are bona-fide government bodies. Therefore they are contesting the builders right to issue tax exempt bonds." I don't know where this came from??

Two basic problems are that The Villages are alleged to be a gated community, they ignore that anyone can
go through the gate and that The Village's do not have its own Police
force. Have not heard anyone say the contention about bona-fide town
centers?? Many Cities and Towns have town centers. :jester:

[Guest]

You are saying that the gay and lesbian population of the USA are "fringe groups"? That definitely sounds like you are bigoted toward them. How about some of the Republicans who are gay and lesbian? Do you consider them to be part of "fringe groups" or does that hatred only stick to the Democrat gays and lesbians?

It's semantics. Fringe group, minority group; not too much difference there. If VG said minority group, a word popular with you of the liberal and leftist persuasion, you would have been fine with it I imagine.

Accusing VG of hatred? Over the top and uncalled for IMHO in light of the context of his post.

[Guest]

After reading all this it came to me that the overwhelming opinion about The Villages is that it is a great place to live, even for those on the left.
And furthermore the overwhelming political leaning is conservative or right. I have to believe that the number of happy conservatives sets the back drop and tone for the wonderful place The Villages has become.

Therefore I must surmise that if the USA as a whole was right leaning and conservative like The Villages it too would be a wonderful place to live. Not saying it is not a wonderful place, just could be more like TV!

Tell me where I am wrong?
EB


Seems like logic :cool:

[Guest]

"I don't know if your builder's attorneys have resolved this yet, but my readings revealed that the IRS has contested the notion that your town centers are bona-fide government bodies. Therefore they are contesting the builders right to issue tax exempt bonds." I don't know where this came from??

Two basic problems are that The Villages are alleged to be a gated community, they ignore that anyone can
go through the gate and that The Village's do not have its own Police
force. Have not heard anyone say the contention about bona-fide town
centers?? Many Cities and Towns have town centers. :jester:

Copy the heading above into Google and read. The magic number is 355 million dollars. Has it been resolved yet. Are Spanish Springs and Sumpter Landing towns? Does the builder have the authority to issue tax free bonds on what is a large housing development?

When I say bona-fide I mean are they like the incorporated towns around you with elected officials, or are they just concentrations of commercial properties made that way by the builder?

[Guest]

After reading all this it came to me that the overwhelming opinion about The Villages is that it is a great place to live, even for those on the left.
And furthermore the overwhelming political leaning is conservative or right. I have to believe that the number of happy conservatives sets the back drop and tone for the wonderful place The Villages has become.

Therefore I must surmise that if the USA as a whole was right leaning and conservative like The Villages it too would be a wonderful place to live. Not saying it is not a wonderful place, just could be more like TV!

Tell me where I am wrong?
EB

I read Pat Buchanan. I read Chomsky. I need both. Left leaning thinkers are censored out of life in the Villages. That is a quality of life issue for me.

Yes it would be nice if the USA was the Utopia that you have in the Villages. But we have bank failures, foreclosures, offshoring of good jobs, illnesses leading to indebtedness and poverty. Ambition is good, greed is not. The right is excessively greedy.

But you got yours didn't you. What if they take it away?

[Guest]

I read Pat Buchanan. I read Chomsky. I need both. Left leaning thinkers are censored out of life in the Villages. That is a quality of life issue for me.

Yes it would be nice if the USA was the Utopia that you have in the Villages. But we have bank failures, foreclosures, offshoring of good jobs, illnesses leading to indebtedness and poverty. Ambition is good, greed is not. The right is excessively greedy.

But you got yours didn't you. What if they take it away?

Who is the arbitrator of what's "too greedy"? One man's "ambition" may be another man's "greed".

"The right is excessively greedy" is a silly statement; I'm sorry but it is.

"you got yours, didn't you. What if they take it away"? Who are "they".

[Guest]

Who is the arbitrator of what's "too greedy"? One man's "ambition" may be another man's "greed".

"The right is excessively greedy" is a silly statement; I'm sorry but it is.

"you got yours, didn't you. What if they take it away"? Who are "they".

Excessive greed is the CEO that found a new way to cheat hard working rank and file workers out of a decent pension through creative new accounting techniques. Excessive greed is getting an auditing company to misrepresent your financial status. Excessive greed is corrupting companies that rate your bonds. Excessive greed is bundling low quality mortgages into packages called securities and then buying securities that protect you against their failure. Excessive greed is Enron.

I didn't get mine yet. I'm still working. If they take away my pension and S.S. I will be screwed.

[Guest]

Excessive greed is the CEO that found a new way to cheat hard working rank and file workers out of a decent pension through creative new accounting techniques. Excessive greed is getting an auditing company to misrepresent your financial status. Excessive greed is corrupting companies that rate your bonds. Excessive greed is bundling low quality mortgages into packages called securities and then buying securities that protect you against their failure. Excessive greed is Enron.

I didn't get mine yet. I'm still working. If they take away my pension and S.S. I will be screwed.

Excessive greed is the GOVERNMENT that found a new way to cheat hard working rank and file workers out of a decent pension through creative new accounting techniques. Might I add that the same GOVERNMENT, took the money under the ruse of returning it someday as a retirement income. Talk about CREATIVE ACCOUNTING Techiques! Had the money for Social Security been invested at even a small interest rate and not touched for any other reason other than to pay out as Social Security, maybe you wouldn't be in fear of being screwed! Better yet, maybe you shouldn't be forced to pay into a system that is claiming to have your best interest at heart. Leave your money alone and let you prepare for retirement using your own creative, survival instincts.
The GOVERNMENT doesn't need an auditing company to come and misrepresent the financial status of this country. In Washington DC, the elected officials don't give a hoot about their constituents. It is spend, pad their own retirements and healthcare, spend some more, defund our defense, and spend some more. Oh, then when they run out of OUR MONEY to spend, they just RAISE OUR TAXES.
If that ain't GREED, I don't know what is!

[Guest]

Excessive greed is the GOVERNMENT that found a new way to cheat hard working rank and file workers out of a decent pension through creative new accounting techniques. Might I add that the same GOVERNMENT, took the money under the ruse of returning it someday as a retirement income. Talk about CREATIVE ACCOUNTING Techiques! Had the money for Social Security been invested at even a small interest rate and not touched for any other reason other than to pay out as Social Security, maybe you wouldn't be in fear of being screwed! Better yet, maybe you shouldn't be forced to pay into a system that is claiming to have your best interest at heart. Leave your money alone and let you prepare for retirement using your own creative, survival instincts.
The GOVERNMENT doesn't need an auditing company to come and misrepresent the financial status of this country. In Washington DC, the elected officials don't give a hoot about their constituents. It is spend, pad their own retirements and healthcare, spend some more, defund our defense, and spend some more. Oh, then when they run out of OUR MONEY to spend, they just RAISE OUR TAXES.
If that ain't GREED, I don't know what is!

I don't know how any honest person could dispute this as being a huge part of the economic problems we have right now.

[Guest]

Chances are that if most people were left to invest whatever money they wanted out of their paychecks for retirement for their working career, they would not do it - and would find themself with absolutely nothing.

[Guest]

Chances are that if most people were left to invest whatever money they wanted out of their paychecks for retirement for their working career, they would not do it - and would find themself with absolutely nothing.

President Bush had a plan where a portion of the money that was deducted from a paycheck for Social Security could be designated by the wage earner to be deposited into an approved private pension plan that would be invested toward his retirement with conceivable higher earning potential than his projected Social Security payment with the added benefit of it now being his personal property that could be passed on to his heirs instead of all his deductions just dying with him.

This would be at the wage earner's discretion and the system would have allayed the fears you have while giving the wage earner more control over his future.

President Bush was demonized by the Democrat establishment, who's false claims were echoed by the lamestream media who misrepresented and virtually lied about his plan in one of the biggest examples of media malpractice evidenced in our lifetimes.

[Guest]

Chances are that if most people were left to invest whatever money they wanted out of their paychecks for retirement for their working career, they would not do it - and would find themself with absolutely nothing.

Social Security began in 1935. What were people doing for the 159 years between 1776 and 1935?
Who is the government to make the judgement call that most of Americans wouldn't invest/save for their own retirement. Somewhere around 2% of Americans are entirely dependent on the government for all their needs and about 8% recieve some kind of aid. Why should the other 92% be perceived as not able to take care of their own needs for retirement when they are able to take care of their needs now? We are not stupid! The instinct to survive is possibly the strongest instinct controlling our every move....Give me a break.

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Excessive greed is the GOVERNMENT that found a new way to cheat hard working rank and file workers out of a decent pension through creative new accounting techniques. Might I add that the same GOVERNMENT, took the money under the ruse of returning it someday as a retirement income. Talk about CREATIVE ACCOUNTING Techiques! Had the money for Social Security been invested at even a small interest rate and not touched for any other reason other than to pay out as Social Security, maybe you wouldn't be in fear of being screwed! Better yet, maybe you shouldn't be forced to pay into a system that is claiming to have your best interest at heart. Leave your money alone and let you prepare for retirement using your own creative, survival instincts.
The GOVERNMENT doesn't need an auditing company to come and misrepresent the financial status of this country. In Washington DC, the elected officials don't give a hoot about their constituents. It is spend, pad their own retirements and healthcare, spend some more, defund our defense, and spend some more. Oh, then when they run out of OUR MONEY to spend, they just RAISE OUR TAXES.
If that ain't GREED, I don't know what is!

I made a legitimate points. You screwed them up to suit your own purposes.

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President Bush had a plan where a portion of the money that was deducted from a paycheck for Social Security could be designated by the wage earner to be deposited into an approved private pension plan that would be invested toward his retirement with conceivable higher earning potential than his projected Social Security payment with the added benefit of it now being his personal property that could be passed on to his heirs instead of all his deductions just dying with him.

This would be at the wage earner's discretion and the system would have allayed the fears you have while giving the wage earner more control over his future.

President Bush was demonized by the Democrat establishment, who's false claims were echoed by the lamestream media who misrepresented and virtually lied about his plan in one of the biggest examples of media malpractice evidenced in our lifetimes.

It was such a good idea that a the Republican House and Republican Senate wouldn't touch it.
What would have happened in 2008?

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It was such a good idea that a the Republican House and Republican Senate wouldn't touch it.
What would have happened in 2008?

RichieLion made a legitimate points. You screwed them up to suit your own purposes...?

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Where the Right Went Wrong - Pat Buchanan

Retirement Heist - Ellen E. Schultz

The Price of Loyalty - Ron Suskind

The Great U-turn - Paul Krugman

Recommended Videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1R4iDx3Lg

This is recommended for those of you who constantly ignore the facts, and respond to my posts without responding to what I have actually said.

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RichieLion made a legitimate points. You screwed them up to suit your own purposes...?

I won't dignify remarks that are not well thought out.

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I won't dignify remarks that are not well thought out.

Great advice! Wish I'd known it prior to posting #53...Thanks!

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Great advice! Wish I'd known it prior to posting #53...Thanks!

I'm talking about your remarks

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I'm talking about your remarks

Duh...Again, thanks for the enlightenment!:wave:

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After reading all this it came to me that the overwhelming opinion about The Villages is that it is a great place to live, even for those on the right. And furthermore the overwhelming political leaning is moderate or left. I have to believe that the number of happy moderates sets the back drop and tone for the wonderful place The Villages has become.

Therefore I must surmise that if the USA as a whole was left leaning and moderate like The Villages it too would be a wonderful place to live. Not saying it is not a wonderful place, just could be more like TV!

JHW

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After reading all this it came to me that the overwhelming opinion about The Villages is that it is a great place to live, even for those on the right. And furthermore the overwhelming political leaning is moderate or left. I have to believe that the number of happy moderates sets the back drop and tone for the wonderful place The Villages has become.

Therefore I must surmise that if the USA as a whole was left leaning and moderate like The Villages it too would be a wonderful place to live. Not saying it is not a wonderful place, just could be more like TV!

JHW

WOW that's a real stretch John W.

I don't know who or what wound Tony up but he has been on a roll. I listened to his laments about conservatives philosophy of "I got mine the heck with you" which was a familar refrain from my very Democratic Dad. But if one reads between the lines what you see is an entitlement mentality. This populist chant can get a lot of votes as does the claim of greedy rich people. I mean who would be in support of a billionaire except maybe a synchophant ?

Key words, rich bankers, insurers, corporations politicians......are easy targets and there is no way you can win when defending them. You have the same problem with fringe groups because if you attempt to have an intelliegent dialogue it wouldn't get off the ground because the left will immediately shout you down with name calling. You witnessed it here on this thread.

Unlike many of you my neighbors and I do have poltical discussions not in length but a few minutes here and there.

Frankly I beleieve we need to speak up more because political correctness has hampered our ability to deal effectively with some very serious issues and the minority has become the majority because of it

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It was such a good idea that a the Republican House and Republican Senate wouldn't touch it.
What would have happened in 2008?

If only he had a Republican House and Senate. You're forgetting the infamous "Jumpin' Jim Jeffords". Not a biggie; everyone's forgotten him.

It was still a good plan though, and ahead of it's time. The establishment resists change, especially when it saps some of their power.

Those with BDR reject anything the former president did. It's very sad.

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Well, like I said before, the groups I hang around with playing golf or at the social clubs never talk politics. Some of our friends who we see socially talk politics at times and, believe it or not, all are very liberal. I have organized food drives for one of our social clubs for the Christian Food Pantry which is against many of you conservatives beliefs but we still collect quite a bit of food every month.

The Salvation Army Red Kettles are beginning very soon and I will be out ringing bells at the WalMart on 466. Hope some of you come by to drop money in the kettles - if giving to charity is not against your beliefs. In fact, we can always use a few more bell ringers, so just let me know and I can sign you up for a couple of shifts.

The Villages are full of caring and generous people. There are some grumps on this forum who say they will never give a hand-up to someone who needs it. Very tiny fraction of the good people here.

Do not be dismayed by the rantings of a few people. The Villages is truly one of the best places you can choose to live.

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buggyone, I am not sure where your input comes from that leads you to continue to harp about conservatives who are against Christian charity, caring, contributing and what ever else negative contained in your post above....

I do accept that statistically in any group, you name the sample size there will always be a very small percent that are out of line with the majority. But the continual need smear the opposition, as delineated by R or D, with such ridiculous allegations is just plain nasty hot air.

I would accept that in a group of people there will be some who do not measure up to your self impose measurement of "charitable enough"...but for you to intimate those who do not measure up are conservatives is just the RANT of a partisan with a GREAT BIG need to work the party inference even in a human interest aspect of life.

You had some very nice, humane things to say, laced, as usual with partisan poison.

A very distorted, political view of life. You are entitled to your opinion. But you also need to be made aware when your allegations are just out of order/wrong....

btk

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You've hosted FOX and Friends. You've had Sarah Palin as an invited speaker. This blog is dominated by Republicans. Obviously The Villages is a Mecca for the right wing.

Do you really want to lower your property values by alienating would be buyers?

The majority of Americans see themselves as conservative. The politics in TV represents America.

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Well, like I said before, the groups I hang around with playing golf or at the social clubs never talk politics. Some of our friends who we see socially talk politics at times and, believe it or not, all are very liberal. I have organized food drives for one of our social clubs for the Christian Food Pantry which is against many of you conservatives beliefs but we still collect quite a bit of food every month.

The Salvation Army Red Kettles are beginning very soon and I will be out ringing bells at the WalMart on 466. Hope some of you come by to drop money in the kettles - if giving to charity is not against your beliefs. In fact, we can always use a few more bell ringers, so just let me know and I can sign you up for a couple of shifts.

The Villages are full of caring and generous people. There are some grumps on this forum who say they will never give a hand-up to someone who needs it. Very tiny fraction of the good people here.

Do not be dismayed by the rantings of a few people. The Villages is truly one of the best places you can choose to live.

"There are some grumps on this forum who say they will never give a hand-up to someone who needs it"

This is quite an accusation, and condemnation of a large number of people and in my opinion requires you to validate by citing even one quote that says this !! Otherwise it is just another made up lie

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Rags, just go back to some of the postings in the past and you can read those who say they will not give to any charity. I am not going to name them as that act in itself would be uncharitable.

At the Salvation Army Red Kettles, it is heartwarming to see people of all ethnic groups put money in the kettles, be it small kids putting in a few cents or adults stuffing in $20 bills. Unfortunately, there are always a couple of people who walk by and say, "Bah, humbug". We still wish them - as well as everyone else - a Merry Christmas.

As for the other things that BTK questioned in my post, I just have to stand by my own personal observations.

Yes, The Villages is a conservative place and there are still wonderful people (both conservative and liberal) who are willing to give back to others some of the good fortune we have achieved for ourselves.

[Guest]

Very interesting. I have never read anything that said that liberals contribute more to charities then conservatives. Could you please give us a link. Thank You.

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The majority of Americans see themselves as conservative. The politics in TV represents America.

I regard George Will, Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs as conservative, but I don't see them as necessarily Republican although they may vote that way. Pat Buchanan is not on board with our Isreali policy. Lou Dobbs sees abuse of foreign visas damaging to the middle class. George Will has solid conservative credentials but has criticized more than one of the Republican candidates.

In your eyes does Republican equal Conservative?

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If only he had a Republican House and Senate. You're forgetting the infamous "Jumpin' Jim Jeffords". Not a biggie; everyone's forgotten him.


See the link below

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

Bush had the 106th 107th and 108th Congress on his side. In the 107th where the count was 50/50 Cheney had the tie breaking vote.

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I regard George Will, Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs as conservative, but I don't see them as necessarily Republican although they may vote that way. Pat Buchanan is not on board with our Isreali policy. Lou Dobbs sees abuse of foreign visas damaging to the middle class. George Will has solid conservative credentials but has criticized more than one of the Republican candidates.

In your eyes does Republican equal Conservative?

By todays standards, JFK was quite conservative. There are conservatives in both parties.

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See the link below

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

Bush had the 106th 107th and 108th Congress on his side. In the 107th where the count was 50/50 Cheney had the tie breaking vote.

You've got to include the RINO's like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Gordon Smith, Norm Coleman, Richard Lugar, George Voinovich, John Warner, Chuck Hagel, Ted Stevens and the profoundly ungrateful Arlen Specter into the mix when you discuss GW Bush's record. These liberal Republican's often were on the wrong side of the aisle when it came to standing behind the ostensible head of their party.

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At least there were a few Repubicans in their right mind when Junior Bush had his ill fated regime in power.

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I stand my ground.

The people that manage the Villages broadcast FOX News in and near the town squares.

Ask yourselves if the committee that invites guest speakers would ever invite Bill Clinton. Would they ever invite Paul O'Neil who was critical of Bush economic policy and was Bush's first Secretary of the Treasury?

If your answer is no. Then my charge of political intolerance has merit.

The people who are developing this place are Republicans. They own the paper and most everything else and this is a CDD form of government.

It is not run democratically. It is run republicany. You must realize this before you decide to move here or you will be unhappy. Because there will NOT be any Democrats speaking in the square or be signing books.

I think it is only fair that potential buyers know this.

And...I don't discuss my moderate views because NO body would like me.

What am I doing here? Oh, I know...I came over and opened the political group thing to see what people are saying about Herman Cain and the sexual harrassment stuff.

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the question was asked earlier in thread "...does republican = conservative?..."

I didn't see an answer, but based on this forum and others like it....YES!!!

It is pretty simple actually, conservative, republican or any other flavor names in opposition are all synonymous....eh?

btk

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At least there were a few Repubicans in their right mind when Junior Bush had his ill fated regime in power.

Ha ha; .............hey, shouldn't you be lounging at the pool with a pina colada or something?

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You've got to include the RINO's like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Gordon Smith, Norm Coleman, Richard Lugar, George Voinovich, John Warner, Chuck Hagel, Ted Stevens and the profoundly ungrateful Arlen Specter into the mix when you discuss GW Bush's record. These liberal Republican's often were on the wrong side of the aisle when it came to standing behind the ostensible head of their party.

You have a point. If those people that you mentioned were/are Senators that may be a significant difference. Social Security is worth saving.

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You have a point. If those people that you mentioned were/are Senators that may be a significant difference. Social Security is worth saving.

Absolutely agree with that, as do most people. The only question is, how? Do we grab more and more money from fewer and fewer people, or do we trim benefits for future beneficiaries?

Most think the country can't grow and survive if we leave things as they are, and the working class is not going to be happy to have their promised future benefits cut, and their eligibility tightened while they pay the way of current beneficiaries. There's no easy answer, but there must be an answer never the less.

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Gracie I believe your caution:
"You must realize this before you decide to move here or you will be unhappy."

is a bit stronger than reality warrants.

As has been stated by very many on this forum previously about the "leanings of TV"....it really plays no role in the decision to build/buy here....stay here....as the day to day life here has no dependency on race, color, creed and especially politics.

Remember real life is what TV represents....politics, partisanship orientation, etc are the least contributing factors.

I venture to say if one would ask a prospective buyer to make a list of what is important to them in a new location, the political leaning would not show up on 99 out of 100 lists.

btk

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Having lived in a democratically controlled county most of my life, the conservative aspect of The Villages is on the top ten list of reasons that we want to retire there.

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Having lived in a democratically controlled county most of my life, the conservative aspect of The Villages is on the top ten list of reasons that we want to retire there.

Well, I never considered the political aspects when I moved here. I just fell in love with the place for it's charm and it's beauty and it's potential to fill my life with happiness. (Same reason I fell in love with my wife, I guess)

Although, it is awfully nice for my vote to be cast for the winner of the election. It kind of validates my point of view. In liberal N.J. I rarely was voting for the winning side and it did annoy me for a long time.

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I venture to say if one would ask a prospective buyer to make a list of what is important to them in a new location, the political leaning would not show up on 99 out of 100 lists.
btk

I would be paying dues as part of the community of TV. If even a small fraction of this money gets paid to only Republican speakers it is a disservice to the people of TV and would diminish the quality of my retirement. You have all seen how much time that I am willing to spend on refuting what I disagree with. Obviously my experiences as a tax payer, employee, and future Social Security recipient make politics important to me.

It snowed up here last weekend. Enjoy your warm winters.

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If Miss Sam and I decide to move to TV, it's leaning that way, politics will be the last thing that would interest us. Right? I'm coming to play not politic. I have a long Winter to sit here and be on TOTV. Gosh I hope that is one habit that doesn't go with me to TV.

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I would be paying dues as part of the community of TV. If even a small fraction of this money gets paid to only Republican speakers it is a disservice to the people of TV and would diminish the quality of my retirement. You have all seen how much time that I am willing to spend on refuting what I disagree with. Obviously my experiences as a tax payer, employee, and future Social Security recipient make politics important to me.

It snowed up here last weekend. Enjoy your warm winters.

I think I would love to have a political discussion that was not filled with biases but since we all have them, I think I would put politics at the bottom of my list of things to discuss.

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I would be paying dues as part of the community of TV. If even a small fraction of this money gets paid to only Republican speakers it is a disservice to the people of TV and would diminish the quality of my retirement. You have all seen how much time that I am willing to spend on refuting what I disagree with. Obviously my experiences as a tax payer, employee, and future Social Security recipient make politics important to me.

It snowed up here last weekend. Enjoy your warm winters.

I would say if you buy a house in TV then a portion of the profits go to the Morse family. The Morse family supports, by and large, Republicans. If you don't your money anyway associated with Republicans, don't move here.

In fact there are dozens and dozens of things that you do with your life now that probably has the effect of a portion of your money ending up in the pockets of Republicans. I mean; where are you spending your money? Do you know the political affiliations of all the people who might wind up with a cent of the money you've spent? Have you worked for people who are Republican? If so, you are adding value to their portfolio and generating more money for Republicans.

You better reevaluate everything.