To the people NOT happy with The Villages....

[angiefox10]

I like many of you have live several different places and to be honoest have loved them all for different reasons.

I see many people on this forum who have appeard to not be very happy with The Village and they live there. I'm OK that there are people who don't like The Villages or aren't that happy with it.

My question is.... Why do you stay when there are places you could live for much less? Or move to a place where you would be happier?

I'm truly perplexed by this.

Thank you for your response.

[The Villager II]

The wife and I have lived in various locations overseas and 5 different states here and we both find The Villages the best of the best.

[BobKat1]

Don't be perplexed.:) This happens in every community, not just TV, where some residents wish they were somewhere else. Just human nature I guess.

[graciegirl]

I love this place as everyone knows and sometimes I think that the discontent that some folks have here really doesn't reflect their negative feelings about the PLACE.

I think other reasons may be;

They are away from family and maybe new grandchildren that have been born since they moved here.

They are in some denial about aging or in some difficult financial situation due to the very bad economic situation right now and feel trapped.

They aren't used to NOT having a say in local government decisions. AND the CDD form of government is NOT democratic.

They are somewhat depressed as many seniors are due to chemical brain changes.

They do not like the conversative political atmosphere that is predominant here.

They are annoyed that the Morse family are so financially successful in these poor economic times. After all they did sell us some cheap land in the middle of Florida. :$::lipsrsealed::wave:

They have always been unhappy.

They think acting happy with everything is not realistic and responsible. Pointing out negatives is being a good citizen.

None of the above and they are going to tell us what it is.

[Chief X]

maybe it's just that old people are miserable..

ok, a generalization but then, i saw on here recently that teenagers with tattoos are bad and often criminals...

I think the Villages are pretty awesome!

[ilovetv]

I'll bet that if you look at relatives, neighbors and other acquaintances who are always complaining and unhappy, they are people who resent having to live with the consequences of decisions they made early in life.....like never going outside their comfort zone to see and experience other places and people; or marrying the first and only person they dated all thru high school without dating others and seeing how personal qualities of a potential mate compare; or quitting school and not finishing a degree of some sort that would have given them a chance at a better career and income track.

The people I know who are like this always have a real or imagined "villain" on whom they blame everything wrong in their life....when really, it was their own cowardly decision that kept them from experiencing all the wonders and opportunities available to us in the United States of America.

[angiefox10]

I understand they aren't happy with TV. And yes, I do understand there are people who live in my town who aren't happy but the reason they may not leave my town is because they have family close by, they can't leave their jobs, they are afraid to move out of state, the place they want to live cost more. (OK... that doesn't apply in Chicago)

But, I doubt that any of those reasons apply to the people who are unhappy. and as of yet, none of them have come on to say why they don't move.

I'm not saying "like it or leave it" but I am curious. I know there are a lot of places that you can buy a better home then TV. So.... Why do they stay?

[eweissenbach]

Maybe some, or most, of the people that post negative things about TV, are really happy with their lives there overall, but simply don't like the particular thing or things they are commenting on at the time. No place is perfect, and to pretend it is would seem to be rather naive. Some of the folks who have negative feelings may not want to sell in the current soft market, or they may see the negatives of selling and moving as worse than the negatives of continuing to live in TV. I too have lived in many places and always find reasons to like where I live, even if there are some or many things I do not like. I have always looked forward to the next place I will live, which currently would include The Villages. Also some people just tend to focus on the negatives in life, while some, like me, tend to focus on the positives and ignore or downplay the negatives. We're not all wired the same.

[2BNTV]

"People are as happy as they make up their minds to be". Abraham Lincoln

[mulligan]

There are probably some who view things done differently here as opposed to the way they were used to "up north" as being wrong, not just different, and may pick one "pet peeve" to disagree with. A classic example would be an all girl posse with squirt guns.

[graciegirl]

There are probably some who view things done differently here as opposed to the way they were used to "up north" as being wrong, not just different, and may pick one "pet peeve" to disagree with. A classic example would be an all girl posse with squirt guns.


Now let me be sure I understand you Mulligan.

The all girl posse with squirt guns is not the way things are done up North???

An all girl posse with squirt guns is gender specific and politically incorrect?

The girls posse are the reason most people are unhappy that ARE unhappy in The Villages?

The squirt guns aren't the RIGHT and in now equipment?

The squirt guns are not used until the beating the crap out of the perp is used?

If none of the above, please explain.

Inquiring minds want to know.

[angiefox10]

Now let me be sure I understand you Mulligan.

The all girl posse with squirt guns is not the way things are done up North???

An all girl posse with squirt guns is gender specific and politically incorrect?

The girls posse are the reason most people are unhappy that ARE unhappy in The Villages?

The squirt guns aren't the RIGHT and in now equipment?

The squirt guns are not used until the beating the crap out of the perp is used?

If none of the above, please explain.

Inquiring minds want to know.


:crap2::crap2::crap2::crap2::crap2:

[mulligan]

I didn't say I disagreed with it, just that some might find it really embarassing to get home soaking wet after getting beat up by GIRLS.Personally, I think I might enjoy it.

[eweissenbach]

I didn't say I disagreed with it, just that some might find it really embarassing to get home soaking wet after getting beat up by GIRLS.Personally, I think I might enjoy it.

I'm in!

[Mudder]

angiefox10, you said people can buy less expensive homes than here in TV, that's true, but remember here you're not buying a house, you're buying into a lifestyle and a pretty darn good one I'd say. If you sit in your fabulous less expensive home and are just looking out, I bet you'd be pretty lonely and missing most of life no matter where you are.

[2BNTV]

angiefox10, you said people can buy less expensive homes than here in TV, that's true, but remember here you're not buying a house, you're buying into a lifestyle and a pretty darn good one I'd say. If you sit in your fabulous less expensive home and are just looking out, I bet you'd be pretty lonely and missing most of life no matter where you are.

:agree: :agree: :agree:

I know someone who told me his parents had moved to TV but don't go out as they are homebodies. They don't avail themselves to all of the activities.

I agree TV lifestyle is geared to GO, GO, GO out and enjoy activities and the friendly people. I may be wrong and frequently am but I would tend to think one should be active to promote their health and friendships than to stay home and watch television.

If one wants to stay home all of the time, one can live anywhere. :)

[ilovetv]

:agree: :agree: :agree:

I know someone who told me his parents had moved to TV but don't go out as they are homebodies. They don't avail themselves to all of the activities.

I agree TV lifestyle is geared to GO, GO, GO out and enjoy activities and the friendly people. I may be wrong and frequently am but I would tend to think one should be active to promote their health and friendships than to stay home and watch television.

If one wants to stay home all of the time, one can live anywhere. :)

Add to "stay home and watch television" "and sit in front of the computer screen".

[angiefox10]

angiefox10, you said people can buy less expensive homes than here in TV, that's true, but remember here you're not buying a house, you're buying into a lifestyle and a pretty darn good one I'd say. If you sit in your fabulous less expensive home and are just looking out, I bet you'd be pretty lonely and missing most of life no matter where you are.


Oh noooo.... You are preaching to the choir here!!! No one can stop me from moving into TV... .I have my lot secured and will sign the papers to start building in December. We have been planning this for over eight years an NO ONE will get in my way!!!!

I just see many people on TOTV who appear to really hate living in TV. I don't know if they realize they sound like that or if some of the things the have been mentioned on this thread are true....

They just wouldn't be happy anywhere or they just are people who would complain about something!

I've been happy EVERYWHERE I've lived. But if I didn't like a place, I think I would move. Unless something was stopping me. I've seen them refer to people who don't agree with them as "drinking the Kool aid". Well... I guess I've drank the Kool aid everywhere I've lived because the only thing I don't like about were I live is a hard snow.

The market in TV isn't soft. (oh how I wish it was) but the market everywhere else is... They could get a bigger home just about anywhere but they stay in TV and complain? That, is what perplexes me.

[2BNTV]

Add to "stay home and watch television" "and sit in front of the computer screen".



Good thinking. :)


Oh noooo.... You are preaching to the choir here!!! No one can stop me from moving into TV... .I have my lot secured and will sign the papers to start building in December. We have been planning this for over eight years an NO ONE will get in my way!!!!

I just see many people on TOTV who appear to really hate living in TV. I don't know if they realize they sound like that or if some of the things the have been mentioned on this thread are true....

They just wouldn't be happy anywhere or they just are people who would complain about something!

I've been happy EVERYWHERE I've lived. But if I didn't like a place, I think I would move. Unless something was stopping me. I've seen them refer to people who don't agree with them as "drinking the Kool aid". Well... I guess I've drank the Kool aid everywhere I've lived because the only thing I don't like about were I live is a hard snow.

The market in TV isn't soft. (oh how I wish it was) but the market everywhere else is... They could get a bigger home just about anywhere but they stay in TV and complain? That, is what perplexes me.

Angie;

I'll give it a try.

Maybe some people are just lamenting about when times were better and wish it was the same way now!!!!

Maybe it's human nature to not want to change later in life. Some people stay in a situation even though it's uncomfortable because are afraid to change to a new direction.

Some people may have health problems that makes mobility difficult.

Who's to say. :shrug:

[eweissenbach]

The market in TV isn't soft. (oh how I wish it was) but the market everywhere else is

I beg to differ Angie. I said it was soft, not depressed. In many areas it is depressed but certainly not in TV. It is, however IMO soft, when many resales are for sale for $10K or more less than what they were originally sold for. Also, TV is discounting new homes, which they would not do if the market wasn't a bit soft. I looked at one home last April that I really liked and is still for sale for a bit over 200k. When I looked it up on the tax website it was sold in 2007 for 267K.

[villagegolfer]

Oh noooo.... You are preaching to the choir here!!! No one can stop me from moving into TV... .I have my lot secured and will sign the papers to start building in December. We have been planning this for over eight years an NO ONE will get in my way!!!!

I just see many people on TOTV who appear to really hate living in TV. I don't know if they realize they sound like that or if some of the things the have been mentioned on this thread are true....

They just wouldn't be happy anywhere or they just are people who would complain about something!

I've been happy EVERYWHERE I've lived. But if I didn't like a place, I think I would move. Unless something was stopping me. I've seen them refer to people who don't agree with them as "drinking the Kool aid". Well... I guess I've drank the Kool aid everywhere I've lived because the only thing I don't like about were I live is a hard snow.

The market in TV isn't soft. (oh how I wish it was) but the market everywhere else is... They could get a bigger home just about anywhere but they stay in TV and complain? That, is what perplexes me.

Seems to me that I would never gage The Villages by the opinions here. If someone was a whiner he would more likely be at home in front of the computer complaining.
You really have to be here and talk to the people who are soaking up the amenities. I have been here a little over a year and have been involved with many activities and golf circles and i have never heard one person say to me that they do not like it here.
Remember, if somebody was a miserable SOB when he came here, I doubt that anything here would change his situation.

[angiefox10]

I beg to differ Angie. I said it was soft, not depressed. In many areas it is depressed but certainly not in TV. It is, however IMO soft, when many resales are for sale for $10K or more less than what they were originally sold for. Also, TV is discounting new homes, which they would not do if the market wasn't a bit soft. I looked at one home last April that I really liked and is still for sale for a bit over 200k. When I looked it up on the tax website it was sold in 2007 for 267K.


Good point!! You're correct..... I'm wr.... wr... wr.... wrong.... Whew... I thought I wasn't going to be able to spit it out. The marked is "soft" and not depressed. My brain took a right turn when it should have taken a left!

I think you all make good points.

I think that TV is an AWESOME place to retire and even though it might look questionable to people reading this on the outside. The fact remains that "most" people stay because they know that!

Now... about that girls posse!!!!! :crap2::crap2::crap2::crap2:

[aljetmet]

Well I won the bet I had with myself.

That is, no one is going to respond who are actually unhappy and would like to leave. Pretty tough for a person to admit to don't you think?

Anyway I probably wouldn't come on this forum to explain.

Unfortunately though, the people that live here are not all going to be frogs....

[momesu]

Do I need to get myself a squirt gun???? Just wondering....

[eweissenbach]

I think that TV is an AWESOME place to retire and even though it might look questionable to people reading this on the outside. The fact remains that "most" people stay because they know that!

Now... about that girls posse!!!!! :crap2::crap2::crap2::crap2:

I think anyone that comes on this website and thinks the tone is largely negative must be cherrypicking a very few opinions on a very few threads. I have been fairly active on this website for 3 years or so, and I find the tone to be overwhelmingly positive. I also agree that the tendency of message boards is to attract people who have fairly strong opinions one way or another, and the vast majority of TV residents seem to love TV and the lifestyle.

[kentucky blue]

"People are as happy as they make up their minds to be". Abraham Lincoln

2 quotes on my office desk and something my mom told me about dealing with being happy.
1. "Happiness is not the absence of problems,but the ability to deal with them."
2."Being happy doesn't mean that everything is perfect.It means that you have decided to look beyond the imperfections."
3".Don't pursue happiness,create it."

[angiefox10]

I think anyone that comes on this website and thinks the tone is largely negative must be cherrypicking a very few opinions on a very few threads. I have been fairly active on this website for 3 years or so, and I find the tone to be overwhelmingly positive. I also agree that the tendency of message boards is to attract people who have fairly strong opinions one way or another, and the vast majority of TV residents seem to love TV and the lifestyle.


Naw... I don't think the tone is largely negative. I just think that people aren't as unhappy with TV as "some" of them let on. I also agree that Forums bring in the negative element.

In fact... My hubby used to get upset with me when I would tell people about TV before we secured our property. He didn't want everyone to go down there and buy up all the property before we got there.

Now don't make me draw my squirt gun on you!!! :duck:

[eweissenbach]

Now don't make me draw my squirt gun on you!!! :duck:

I would wear my soiled clothing as a badge of honor.

[memason]

Since no one else is gonna tell you why they hate this place, I guess I'll tell you why I hate it...

When I left corporate America, less than a year ago, I thought I was finished with email, calendaring and spreadsheets. Seems my inbox is now full with people wanting to know if I can play golf on Wed. or wanting to know if we want to go to the square to listen [and dance] to Yesterdayze or Rocky and the Rollers. I mean c'mon, I came here to retire... If the email wasn't bad enough, I also need to maintain a calendar, so I know which golf course I should be at and the time I should arrive, as well as who's playing at what square, etc... I mean, gimme a break...my calendar is busier now than before I retired. What's up with that???

So, my advise is don't even think of moving here, unless you're prepared to be running and having fun all the time. Don't even get me started on all the friendly neighbors and how they always wave when you cruise by in your golf cart...

Gotta run.....my smartphone just alerted me that I'm supposed to be at Havana in 30 minutes!!!!


Geeezzzzz..... I HATE THIS PLACE! :p

[Skybo]

I don�t post much but I try to keep up with the majority of threads. In all the time I�ve been reading this site I can only recall a couple of people who truly seemed unhappy enough here that they wished they didn�t live here. I don�t recall any posts that led me to believe that the poster �hated TV�. Just because someone is unhappy with certain aspects of an area (any area) or they are nostalgic for a less crowded time, that doesn�t mean that they would rather live elsewhere. It doesn�t mean they are old, grouchy, lonely, sick or inactive. No where in the TOTV terms of services does it state that only positive opinions are allowed. For what it�s worth, I love it here and have nothing negative to say about TV, but I support the right of anyone who wants to voice their complaints.

[quirky3]

I don’t post much but I try to keep up with the majority of threads. In all the time I’ve been reading this site I can only recall a couple of people who truly seemed unhappy enough here that they wished they didn’t live here. I don’t recall any posts that led me to believe that the poster “hated TV”. Just because someone is unhappy with certain aspects of an area (any area) or they are nostalgic for a less crowded time, that doesn’t mean that they would rather live elsewhere. It doesn’t mean they are old, grouchy, lonely, sick or inactive. No where in the TOTV terms of services does it state that only positive opinions are allowed. For what it’s worth, I love it here and have nothing negative to say about TV, but I support the right of anyone who wants to voice their complaints.

:agree: It starts to feel like cyber-bullying when it goes on too long, IMHO

[aljetmet]

Since no one else is gonna tell you why they hate this place, I guess I'll tell you why I hate it...

When I left corporate America, less than a year ago, I thought I was finished with email, calendaring and spreadsheets. Seems my inbox is now full with people wanting to know if I can play golf on Wed. or wanting to know if we want to go to the square to listen [and dance] to Yesterdayze or Rocky and the Rollers. I mean c'mon, I came here to retire... If the email wasn't bad enough, I also need to maintain a calendar, so I know which golf course I should be at and the time I should arrive, as well as who's playing at what square, etc... I mean, gimme a break...my calendar is busier now than before I retired. What's up with that???

So, my advise is don't even think of moving here, unless you're prepared to be running and having fun all the time. Don't even get me started on all the friendly neighbors and how they always wave when you cruise by in your golf cart...

Gotta run.....my smartphone just alerted me that I'm supposed to be at Havana in 30 minutes!!!!


Geeezzzzz..... I HATE THIS PLACE! :p

You make me extremely jealous!. Now I don't have a smartphone, but it's high on my list to buy once we arrive. I do understand there is an app that what you arrive at a location the phone can give you a message such as why you went there in the first place!:wave:

[ivanhoe]

I'll bet that if you look at relatives, neighbors and other acquaintances who are always complaining and unhappy, they are people who resent having to live with the consequences of decisions they made early in life.....like never going outside their comfort zone to see and experience other places and people; or marrying the first and only person they dated all thru high school without dating others and seeing how personal qualities of a potential mate compare; or quitting school and not finishing a degree of some sort that would have given them a chance at a better career and income track.

Oh, CRAP... I'm retiring to get away from those people!

[buggyone]

I have met a couple of people who are unhappy with The Villages. One was because of the "attitude" of the Developer. Personally, I think the Morse family has done and keeps doing a remarkable job and I wish them every success in the future.

One couple actually HATED the seasonal residents and renters because they clogged up roads, restaurants, and golf courses. Hey, they keep our expenses down, too, don't they? I like that!!

Those are only a couple of people out of all the rest of us who love The Villages.

[rubicon]

I like many of you have live several different places and to be honoest have loved them all for different reasons.

I see many people on this forum who have appeard to not be very happy with The Village and they live there. I'm OK that there are people who don't like The Villages or aren't that happy with it.

My question is.... Why do you stay when there are places you could live for much less? Or move to a place where you would be happier?

I'm truly perplexed by this.

Thank you for your response.

angiefox I would have left TV one year after my arrival. The reasons are not personal or family related but have to do with TV. TV sells a lifestyle but that lifestyle can be practiced anywhere . I won't go any futher because it will only upset some residents.

So why don't I leave? Because the housing market is down. And I don't suscribe to the belief that you are buying and selling in the same market. Before I was retired whenever I made a large financial purchase I could say I will just continue earning until I replenish my account. Well those days are over and my account is down X number of dollars from my Villages home purchase In addition unless I wanted to settle for less of a house I would take another hit. So like anyone in my situation I adjust and make the best of it. I am not complaining and accept that is is the decision we made , subscribing to that definition of intelligence that says intelligent people refuse to let themselves be unhappy. We all have different values, etc. Many people love TV and I rejoice for them.

[angiefox10]

angiefox I would have left TV one year after my arrival. The reasons are not personal or family related but have to do with TV. TV sells a lifestyle but that lifestyle can be practiced anywhere . I won't go any futher because it will only upset some residents.

So why don't I leave? Because the housing market is down. And I don't suscribe to the belief that you are buying and selling in the same market. Before I was retired whenever I made a large financial purchase I could say I will just continue earning until I replenish my account. Well those days are over and my account is down X number of dollars from my Villages home purchase In addition unless I wanted to settle for less of a house I would take another hit. So like anyone in my situation I adjust and make the best of it. I am not complaining and accept that is is the decision we made , subscribing to that definition of intelligence that says intelligent people refuse to let themselves be unhappy. We all have different values, etc. Many people love TV and I rejoice for them.

Thank you rubicon for that very honest response. That makes sense to me. I know that you have not been happy in TV and I hope some day you find your Shangri-La.


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[Barefoot]

I don�t post much but I try to keep up with the majority of threads. In all the time I�ve been reading this site I can only recall a couple of people who truly seemed unhappy enough here that they wished they didn�t live here. I don�t recall any posts that led me to believe that the poster �hated TV�. Just because someone is unhappy with certain aspects of an area (any area) or they are nostalgic for a less crowded time, that doesn�t mean that they would rather live elsewhere. It doesn�t mean they are old, grouchy, lonely, sick or inactive. No where in the TOTV terms of services does it state that only positive opinions are allowed. For what it�s worth, I love it here and have nothing negative to say about TV, but I support the right of anyone who wants to voice their complaints.

Skybo, I like your post. I think most residents have a high level of satisfaction with life in TV. Minor complaints are easy to understand because nothing is perfect. Sometimes I wish TV were closer to a salt-water beach, but I sure wouldn't give up our wonderful friends just to be closer to the ocean.

I think unhappy residents have already sold their houses and moved on, so you won't find them posting on this website. I know at least ten couples that have purchased in TV and then sold and moved on. Missing family, and wanting a more rural lifestyle are the usual reasons I hear. Nice people, not a grouchy whiner among them.

I do sometimes wonder about furnished houses in NEW Villages that are for sale by owner. Some have never been lived in, or just a very short time. Many times they have lovely improvements ... Birdcages or summer kitchens or pools. I know that health is a major "situation changer" in a retirement community. But there seem to be many nearly new houses for sale. I really wonder why.

[red tail]

reminds me of the guy who we flew from asia to the usa non stop...left on time...pampered him in flight....got to sea 30 mins early...he picked up his bag in good shape...got home and ****ed and moaned because the chicken was not to his liking.

[redwitch]

I don't love TV. It is not my home. My home and heart is in San Francisco and probably always will be. However, I had to leave SF for personal reasons and the odds of ever being able to go back are slim.

I HATE the conservativeness here, the unwillingness to hear another side to an argument. It goes against everything I've ever believed. I really don't understand preventing a politician coming into an area because they have a different viewpoint. I was taught that all views should be heard and understood to the best of my ability. I dislike the way I see the developer nickel and dime newcomers (once you've been here awhile, you know where to go for what). Those are my two major peeves.

All of that being said, I truly like TV and I'm glad I landed here. I've found a very comfortable way of life, a decent business, wonderful friends and great activities. TV is not my Shangri-La (hope you meant that rather than Shanghai lol) although we all know it is Gracie's, but it is a very good community with far more pluses than minuses.

[cybrgeezer]

About 10 years ago, I was hiking a section of the Florida Trail near Ocala and I met a couple who said they lived at The Villages. At the time, I was aware of TV, but had only noticed it while passing by.

We talked for some time about the development, the amenities, the homes and the couple let me know they were very unhappy with their decision to buy. They were looking to sell (they said their home was for sale) and get away from the area.

Their criticism concerned prices, neighbors, rules and, generally, everything to do with The Villages. Since the real estate market was better then (this was late 2001 or early 2002), I am sure they were able to sell, probably at a profit, and move on.

As a result, I'm sure they aren't following this board and answering this question.

[Wing-nut2]

I'll answere a question with a question. Why would you but a $70,000.00 Corvette and then complain when you have to put in high test gas??

[LvmyPug2]

Before purchasing here I tried to really look beyond the "paradise" description. I read all I could on TOTV and talked to people here each time we visited. The vast majority we spoke with loved it here, but the ones that didn't seemed to to not like being away from their familiar surroundings or family. Some had never lived in a community with covenants and didn't like the restrictions covenants impose. Some didn't like the politics. Many of the folks who weren't totally enamored with TV didn't "hate" it here, but wished they still had kept a place "back home".

[angiefox10]

I don't love TV. It is not my home. My home and heart is in San Francisco and probably always will be. However, I had to leave SF for personal reasons and the odds of ever being able to go back are slim.

I HATE the conservativeness here, the unwillingness to hear another side to an argument. It goes against everything I've ever believed. I really don't understand preventing a politician coming into an area because they have a different viewpoint. I was taught that all views should be heard and understood to the best of my ability. I dislike the way I see the developer nickel and dime newcomers (once you've been here awhile, you know where to go for what). Those are my two major peeves.

All of that being said, I truly like TV and I'm glad I landed here. I've found a very comfortable way of life, a decent business, wonderful friends and great activities. TV is not my Shangri-La (hope you meant that rather than Shanghai lol) although we all know it is Gracie's, but it is a very good community with far more pluses than minuses.

Thank you for your honest response. I've never even known that you felt this way.

I know everyone will have something they don't like. But it seems there are a few that just "hate" living in TV. I don't mind it and am not offended by it. But I was curious as to why they don't move. As one poster said... He knows of someone who did, and that's OK. Everyone should be happy.

[Skybo]

I do sometimes wonder about furnished houses in NEW Villages that are for sale by owner. Some have never been lived in, or just a very short time. Many times they have lovely improvements ... Birdcages or summer kitchens or pools. I know that health is a major "situation changer" in a retirement community. But there seem to be many nearly new houses for sale. I really wonder why.

Hmmm, good question. It�s possible that quick turnovers happen just as freqently with resale homes, but you just don�t know it because they aren�t advertised that way.

But, if in fact, quick turnovers are more prevalent with new homes, that wouldn�t surprise me. You read A LOT of �love at first sight�, �bring your checkbook�, �we bought on the 2nd day of our first visit� type stories. It seems to work out for the majority of folks, but I�d be willing to bet that buying too quickly and buyer�s remorse situations happen more frequently with new home sales than it does with re-sales. Just my best-guest....I have absolutely no facts to back that up.

[pooh]

One question I don't see asked....why did one move away from where they lived and to The Villages? Where we lived, friends had moved away, traffic had become a nightmare, drugs and gangs were becoming more threatening, getting anywhere involved taking a freeway with heavy traffic that was many times, stopped.

TV offered beautiful surroundings, fewer worries about crimes, the opportunity to make more friends and something I really missed...the chance to take "back roads" around the state. Did I mention I really don't like freeways... ;)

At prior home, lots of traffic, noise from planes, helicopters (Marine Corp base not far away) sirens (fire station nearby) and a constant din that you didn't really recognize until it stopped (on 9/11) made TV seem extremely quiet. Now, even with all the cars and trucks, (Morse is behind my house) it's not nearly as noisy here for us....maybe that's why hubby and I aren't particularly bothered.

[kentucky blue]

Many of the folks who weren't totally enamored with TV didn't "hate" it here, but wished they still had kept a place "back home".

I've got the best of both worlds,living in a terrific city in Kentucky and paradise in TV.I never pull into TV without a huge smile on my face.My girlfriend loves TV and would spend every day of the rest of her life in our village home , with all her new friends.I'm sorry, but if you can't be happy in TV with everything it has to offer, that's a YOU problem, and only YOU can fix it.

[angiefox10]

One question I don't see asked....why did one move away from where they lived and to The Villages? Where we lived, friends had moved away, traffic had become a nightmare, drugs and gangs were becoming more threatening, getting anywhere involved taking a freeway with heavy traffic that was many times, stopped.

TV offered beautiful surroundings, fewer worries about crimes, the opportunity to make more friends and something I really missed...the chance to take "back roads" around the state. Did I mention I really don't like freeways... ;)

At prior home, lots of traffic, noise from planes, helicopters (Marine Corp base not far away) sirens (fire station nearby) and a constant din that you didn't really recognize until it stopped (on 9/11) made TV seem extremely quiet. Now, even with all the cars and trucks, (Morse is behind my house) it's not nearly as noisy here for us....maybe that's why hubby and I aren't particularly bothered.

We are leaving because of the SNOW and the cost of living! But after seeing TV... I think I would move to TV anyway! :thumbup:

[eweissenbach]

[QUOTE=rubicon;409937]angiefox I would have left TV one year after my arrival. The reasons are not personal or family related but have to do with TV. TV sells a lifestyle but that lifestyle can be practiced anywhere . I won't go any futher because it will only upset some residents.

QUOTE]

Rubicon I always find your posts reasonable and interesting, and have noted that you are not totally happy in TV, and respect that. The only exception I would take with this post is that the "lifestyle can be practiced anywhere". The Villages lifestyle may be practiced other places, though I have never been to any of them, but most certainly not "anywhere". Where I currently live there is no opportunity to go dancing or enjoy live entertainment once a week, much less every night, I have two golf courses which are each 20 minutes away, and no decent resturaunts or shopping without traveling a half hour or more. Now, there are other things I enjoy about where I live, and am not complaining, but the TV lifestyle cannot be replocated here in any way.

[SALYBOW]

I love this place as everyone knows and sometimes I think that the discontent that some folks have here really doesn't reflect their negative feelings about the PLACE.

I think other reasons may be;

They are away from family and maybe new grandchildren that have been born since they moved here.

YEPPERS :cryin2:I agree with the missing the grandkids big time. Every time one of them asks me why we moved I couls almost cry.

They are in some denial about aging or in some difficult financial situation due to the very bad economic situation right now and feel trapped.

NOPERS: We wouldn't be any better off at home so "what the hey" We certainly would not be any younger at home. I AM a bit worried that I have left a town with top notch docs and come to an area that does not have that level of expertise.

They aren't used to NOT having a say in local government decisions. AND the CDD form of government is NOT democratic.
NOPERS: Unless you happened to be one particulay party it was the same back home.

They are somewhat depressed as many seniors are due to chemical brain changes.
:loco::loco:
:loco::loco: SO... what's the question?

They do not like the conversative political atmosphere that is predominant here.
:crap2: Come on Redwitch I will join you in this.

They are annoyed that the Morse family are so financially successful in these poor economic times. After all they did sell us some cheap land in the middle of Florida. :$::lipsrsealed::wave:

COME ON: Put on your big girl/boy panties and deal with this. This is a very symbiotic relationship. We make them rich, they make us Happy.:sing:

They have always been unhappy.

BUMP

They think acting happy with everything is not realistic and responsible. Pointing out negatives is being a good citizen.

Being happy with everything is not realistic or responsible, but I never feel I am living in hell, that is for sure.


None of the above and they are going to tell us what it is.

Since I started working I don't get to do as many Village things and that makes me very sad. But, it is up to me to deal with it...or quit.

[SALYBOW]

I understand they aren't happy with TV. And yes, I do understand there are people who live in my town who aren't happy but the reason they may not leave my town is because they have family close by, they can't leave their jobs, they are afraid to move out of state, the place they want to live cost more. (OK... that doesn't apply in Chicago)

But, I doubt that any of those reasons apply to the people who are unhappy. and as of yet, none of them have come on to say why they don't move.

I'm not saying "like it or leave it" but I am curious. I know there are a lot of places that you can buy a better home then TV. So.... Why do they stay?

I stay here because I want to live with my husband and he loves it here. Plus my kids are so spread out there is no better place to go.

[TF Hutch]

I expect the financial anxiety brought to us by todays economic environment makes many folks anxious, upset or angry. It is difficult seeing your nest egg get scrambled by forces not under ones control. The Villages did promiss a life style, but no one promised life was going to be easy...

I'm not sure who said this but it makes sense to me.

"I know a few people who left soon after moving here and they seem to fall into two categories. The first are those used to living in uncrowded areas with a lot of land and cannot cope with the density of homes here. The others fall into two sub categories. Those who want every home to look the same and cannot tolerate even the slightest infraction of the rules like placing a gnome on your lawn. The other sub category goes to the other extreme and wants to be able to paint their home purple if they want, smoke anywhere they wish, blast a radio at the pool, and pretty much do as they please like they did in the last place they lived in."

Hutch

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Sandy and I remember going to an open house in TV for a resale home that was fairly new. We asked the realtor why the owner was selling (always inquisitive!). She explained that the gentleman (single) really missed the fishing back in CO as well as being much closer to his daughter...........so he was heading back there! Can't validate the story but it's certainly plausible!

I'd have to imagine missing family is a big pull for some to leave TV.

Bill :)

[eweissenbach]

Sandy and I remember going to an open house in TV for a resale home that was fairly new. We asked the realtor why the owner was selling (always inquisitive!). She explained that the gentleman (single) really missed the fishing back in CO as well as being much closer to his daughter...........so he was heading back there! Can't validate the story but it's certainly plausible!

I'd have to imagine missing family is a big pull for some to leave TV.

Bill :)

We went to an open house at a nearly new Lantana. The owners were trying to sell it themselves and they were there. They had bought the home with the expectation that his mother was going to live with them and help pay for the home. She died before moving in and they either couldn't afford it or didn't want such a big home. They were buying a patio villa. Another woman was trying to sell her relatively new Bridgeport after getting a divorce and she too was buying a patio villa. There are 7 million stories in the naked city.

[angiefox10]

I've read this post from beginning to end and now I'm even confused. This is my post and I forgot what it was about. I had to go back to the OP to see what I was posting about. Please understand that...

This is NOT a love it or leave it post.

This is NOT a why did they leave post.

But if that's what everyone wants to discuss.... Carry on. :smiley:

Just be nice....

[chuckinca]

Having lived most of my adult life in the SF Bay Area, Monday Night Football started at 5:30 PM. My wife just commented that it was nearly 8:30 and Monday Night Football will start soon but she can't stay up past 9:00 and will miss it again. If our kids were around they would stay up with me but they are long gone and it's just us two who want to watch Monday Night Football and she doesn't stay up late.

This may force us to stay in California until February so we can watch Monday Night Football at a respectable time; but then we would miss our daily pickleball games at 8 AM. Nothing but problems here in paradise!


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[angiefox10]

Having lived most of my adult life in the SF Bay Area, Monday Night Football started at 5:30 PM. My wife just commented that it was nearly 8:30 and Monday Night Football will start soon but she can't stay up past 9:00 and will miss it again. If our kids were around they would stay up with me but they are long gone and it's just us two who want to watch Monday Night Football and she doesn't stay up late.

This may force us to stay in California until February so we can watch Monday Night Football at a respectable time. But then we would miss our daily pickleball games at 8 AM. Nothing but problems here in paradise!


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:a20:

[Jhooman]

One question I don't see asked....why did one move away from where they lived and to The Villages? Where we lived, friends had moved away, traffic had become a nightmare, drugs and gangs were becoming more threatening, getting anywhere involved taking a freeway with heavy traffic that was many times, stopped.

TV offered beautiful surroundings, fewer worries about crimes, the opportunity to make more friends and something I really missed...the chance to take "back roads" around the state. Did I mention I really don't like freeways... ;)

At prior home, lots of traffic, noise from planes, helicopters (Marine Corp base not far away) sirens (fire station nearby) and a constant din that you didn't really recognize until it stopped (on 9/11) made TV seem extremely quiet. Now, even with all the cars and trucks, (Morse is behind my house) it's not nearly as noisy here for us....maybe that's why hubby and I aren't particularly bothered.

Pooh

We are leaving California for the same reasons as yours. But I'm going to miss my kid and grandkids terribly. I will be returning frequently to spoil them rotten.

Last week there was a brutal mass killing right down the street from where I live. My podiatrist and physical therapist have their business upstairs from the hair salon that 8 people perished. Southern California is so expensive, the homeless are abundant, I can feel a tightness in people. People are hurting.

We will be in TV in 3 weeks to look for a home, we are so excited about this new adventure. My Dad has lived in the TV for five years, he's 82. He loves everything the community has to offer. His wife passed away December of last year, she received wonderful medical treatment and the neighbors were so kind to her and my Dad. The sense of community has brought richness to my family. With that said, we are looking forward to The Villages. My political opinions will be kept closed. Even here in California I don't discuss politics, it makes for a long sticky golf game.

I'm pretty happy here in California and I think I'll be happy in Florida, it's all about my perception and attitude.

Also, I need to warn the boys, I'm part of the POSSE and I have a serious water cannon I'm bringing from California. :crap2:

Here we come!!!!:loco::loco::loco:

[Taj44]

I don't love TV. It is not my home. My home and heart is in San Francisco and probably always will be. However, I had to leave SF for personal reasons and the odds of ever being able to go back are slim.

I HATE the conservativeness here, the unwillingness to hear another side to an argument. It goes against everything I've ever believed. I really don't understand preventing a politician coming into an area because they have a different viewpoint. I was taught that all views should be heard and understood to the best of my ability. I dislike the way I see the developer nickel and dime newcomers (once you've been here awhile, you know where to go for what). Those are my two major peeves.

All of that being said, I truly like TV and I'm glad I landed here. I've found a very comfortable way of life, a decent business, wonderful friends and great activities. TV is not my Shangri-La (hope you meant that rather than Shanghai lol) although we all know it is Gracie's, but it is a very good community with far more pluses than minuses.

I'm with you Red. I have many friends here in TV, and I love the activities. For me there are certainly pluses and minuses, but the pluses outweigh the negatives. Because someone is willing to voice their concerns about changes they'd like to see, doesn't mean they are unhappy, it means they are honest people who are trying to educate others who might be considering buying and want to give them the truth about the lifestyle, not the sales pitch they'll hear from the Villages salespeople. The first step in implementing change is admitting there is a problem. We've had discussions on this forum about the problems that do exist, and educating and informing people will hopefully make them aware, and will lead to changes which will benefit our community in the long run.

[ilovetv]

Pooh

We are leaving California for the same reasons as yours. But I'm going to miss my kid and grandkids terribly. I will be returning frequently to spoil them rotten.

Last week there was a brutal mass killing right down the street from where I live. My podiatrist and physical therapist have their business upstairs from the hair salon that 8 people perished. Southern California is so expensive, the homeless are abundant, I can feel a tightness in people. People are hurting.

We will be in TV in 3 weeks to look for a home, we are so excited about this new adventure. My Dad has lived in the TV for five years, he's 82. He loves everything the community has to offer. His wife passed away December of last year, she received wonderful medical treatment and the neighbors were so kind to her and my Dad. The sense of community has brought richness to my family. With that said, we are looking forward to The Villages. My political opinions will be kept closed. Even here in California I don't discuss politics, it makes for a long sticky golf game.

I'm pretty happy here in California and I think I'll be happy in Florida, it's all about my perception and attitude.

Also, I need to warn the boys, I'm part of the POSSE and I have a serious water cannon I'm bringing from California. :crap2:

Here we come!!!!:loco::loco::loco:


Crime is definitely a factor in moving away from many places...even rural ones (sometimes rural is worse, because police and sheriff can be so far away that the long response time renders them useless).

While I know there is some crime here in TV, I feel much safer being amongst so many neighbors close by in our courtyard villas. Chances are, all the dogs would start barking if somebody tried to break in. Almost everyone in our CYV neighborhood has a dog, and their owners are nice and caring. We look out for each other. There's a lot to be said about that!

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

When I left work one year ago, I thought being home everyday would be just wonderful. No more getting up at 5am to get ready for work, no more cleaning off the snow in the driveway so I could get to work, only to sit in traffic on the interstate for a hour. I have since realized that, after a visit to The Villages, that I can no longer just sit and stare out a window all day. I really have missed the human contact and the dicipline that my work provided for 30 years. If the Villages is crowded in the winter months, so what? If the Villages housing is a little expensive, so what! If there is an issue or something about the Villages I don't care for, so what! Overall, I cannot find an area that is so well planned, and developed so beautifully as is The Villages.:wave:

[pooh]

Pooh

We are leaving California for the same reasons as yours. But I'm going to miss my kid and grandkids terribly. I will be returning frequently to spoil them rotten.

Last week there was a brutal mass killing right down the street from where I live. My podiatrist and physical therapist have their business upstairs from the hair salon that 8 people perished. Southern California is so expensive, the homeless are abundant, I can feel a tightness in people. People are hurting.

We will be in TV in 3 weeks to look for a home, we are so excited about this new adventure. My Dad has lived in the TV for five years, he's 82. He loves everything the community has to offer. His wife passed away December of last year, she received wonderful medical treatment and the neighbors were so kind to her and my Dad. The sense of community has brought richness to my family. With that said, we are looking forward to The Villages. My political opinions will be kept closed. Even here in California I don't discuss politics, it makes for a long sticky golf game.

I'm pretty happy here in California and I think I'll be happy in Florida, it's all about my perception and attitude.

Also, I need to warn the boys, I'm part of the POSSE and I have a serious water cannon I'm bringing from California. :crap2:

Here we come!!!!:loco::loco::loco:


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WELCOME HOME!!!

[JimPete]

Oh noooo.... You are preaching to the choir here!!! No one can stop me from moving into TV... .I have my lot secured and will sign the papers to start building in December. We have been planning this for over eight years an NO ONE will get in my way!!!!



Y'all better watch out. I think she means it!!!!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Y'all better watch out. I think she means it!!!!

She'll be kickin' butt and takin' names!!! :jester:

Bill :)

[JimPete]

:agree: :a20:

[Pturner]

I don�t post much but I try to keep up with the majority of threads. In all the time I�ve been reading this site I can only recall a couple of people who truly seemed unhappy enough here that they wished they didn�t live here. I don�t recall any posts that led me to believe that the poster �hated TV�. Just because someone is unhappy with certain aspects of an area (any area) or they are nostalgic for a less crowded time, that doesn�t mean that they would rather live elsewhere. It doesn�t mean they are old, grouchy, lonely, sick or inactive. No where in the TOTV terms of services does it state that only positive opinions are allowed. For what it�s worth, I love it here and have nothing negative to say about TV, but I support the right of anyone who wants to voice their complaints.

Well stated, Sybo. I agree with everything you said, except the part about not posting much. That, I do. :024:

:agree: It starts to feel like cyber-bullying when it goes on too long, IMHO

You make a good point, Quirky3. Many posters have stated why they imagine other people might not like living here. Only Rubicon has said why he stays despite preferring not to. Could be he's the only one reading this thread who feels that way; or could be that others who feel that way don't want to be criticized or disrespected for it.

Me, I love TV, I love it more each and every time I'm there. It is A-OK with me that not everyone agrees.

[angiefox10]

Well stated, Sybo. I agree with everything you said, except the part about not posting much. That, I do. :024:



You make a good point, Quirky3. Many posters have stated why they imagine other people might not like living here. Only Rubicon has said why he stays despite preferring not to. Could be he's the only one reading this thread who feels that way; or could be that others who feel that way don't want to be criticized or disrespected for it.

Me, I love TV, I love it more each and every time I'm there. It is A-OK with me that not everyone agrees.


Oh.... I didn't understand these two posts and wasn't sure what the two ladies were talking about Now... I think I understand.

I think everyone misunderstood my original post and to be fair, I don't think anyone meant to bully anyone.

I apologize if anyone felt this was in any way to make anyone feel bad. I really did want to understand. I can't do that without asking the question.

The thread took a turn, but I never felt it took a turn to harm anyone.

[Jhooman]

:wave:I love you pooh!!!!!!!!!!:wave:

[Larry Wilson]

Please don't bully people for not posting.
I have been around long enough to see cliques really bully anyone who says anything the clique doesn't agree with on this board. I've also been around long enough to see some newbies change their feelings about this place after they have lived here a few years.

The only reason I didn't post is I just saw this thread. I often don't have time to look at totv for days.

I really really liked what Pturner,(thanks for saying it Ptuner) redwitch, Taj, Quirky3 and many others said.


I also once thought this place was perfect. Showed it off to everybody.
Now we get out of here whenever we can. Its a big beautiful world and we like new things, experiences,etc. Just like we loved it here for the first few years, it got old for us and things have changed.

We don't hate it here. We see positive and negative here. However, The Villages has the best marketing system I have ever seen. All you ever hear is the positive over and over again. I would like a little balance. The main reason we stay is for all our good friends. Also, as I said many many times, I like the level of play in sports.
On a postive note, everybody have a good night.

[graciegirl]

I think that The Villages no longer buy TV time. Don't use billboards. Don't have salespeople that I have heard of or run into at open houses who pressure or even call you unless you ask them to. Don't do mass mailing. Probably haven't spent a penny on advertising in years unless you count their newspaper. The only place I can hear the song "Friendliest Hometown" is on their website.

Sweetie and I are always explaining to people back in Ohio just where in Florida that we live. They say..."Where is that?" or "What Village?" And then we tell them where it is in central Florida and how we enjoy it........until they start backing away. We do overdo it. I am sure they think we get five dollars a head. ;)

In our new village we have four couples now that we have met who have moved here from the coastal areas in Florida.

[villagegolfer]

Very true, GG. If they were so good at marketing, then why did I hear about this place from a guy at work in 2008.

[runnermi]

I don't live in the Villages currently but will one day in the future. People used to ask me why I was so interested in living there when I had not even visited. One word, Lifestyle. To me, you can be as busy or not busy as you want. I don't want to retire to sit on my butt in my rocking chair or in front of the TV. I want to play, play, play until I no longer can.

I have girlfriend who would hate it in the Villages, she moves often and always to places where she has no close neighbors. If she can see her neighbors it is a problem. She lived in one place where the closest grocery store was 45 minutes away. I would rather jam pins into my eyes than live someplace like that. She is also a poster child of how to screw up your retirement and have pennies to live on but that is another story completely.

My Uncle Harry, couldn't wait to retire. When he did, he kicked back in his lazy boy with his beer and remote control and was dead 7 years later. My point is this, active, mentally stimulated, engaged people are proven to live longer. The Villages offer than environment. If you are bored, it is your own darn fault.

I am an extrovert and I am sure will thrive in the Villages. I can't wait.

[villagegolfer]

I don't live in the Villages currently but will one day in the future. People used to ask me why I was so interested in living there when I had not even visited. One word, Lifestyle. To me, you can be as busy or not busy as you want. I don't want to retire to sit on my butt in my rocking chair or in front of the TV. I want to play, play, play until I no longer can.

I have girlfriend who would hate it in the Villages, she moves often and always to places where she has no close neighbors. If she can see her neighbors it is a problem. She lived in one place where the closest grocery store was 45 minutes away. I would rather jam pins into my eyes than live someplace like that. She is also a poster child of how to screw up your retirement and have pennies to live on but that is another story completely.

My Uncle Harry, couldn't wait to retire. When he did, he kicked back in his lazy boy with his beer and remote control and was dead 7 years later. My point is this, active, mentally stimulated, engaged people are proven to live longer. The Villages offer than environment. If you are bored, it is your own darn fault.

I am an extrovert and I am sure will thrive in the Villages. I can't wait.
Yes, you will thrive here. My wife was non-athletic as she went to a Catholic school that didn't have GYM classes. She has taken up golf, pickle ball, line dancing, yoga and other exercise classes. She is an extrovert and has many friends in our Villa's.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I don't live in the Villages currently but will one day in the future. People used to ask me why I was so interested in living there when I had not even visited. One word, Lifestyle. To me, you can be as busy or not busy as you want. I don't want to retire to sit on my butt in my rocking chair or in front of the TV. I want to play, play, play until I no longer can.

I have girlfriend who would hate it in the Villages, she moves often and always to places where she has no close neighbors. If she can see her neighbors it is a problem. She lived in one place where the closest grocery store was 45 minutes away. I would rather jam pins into my eyes than live someplace like that. She is also a poster child of how to screw up your retirement and have pennies to live on but that is another story completely.

My Uncle Harry, couldn't wait to retire. When he did, he kicked back in his lazy boy with his beer and remote control and was dead 7 years later. My point is this, active, mentally stimulated, engaged people are proven to live longer. The Villages offer than environment. If you are bored, it is your own darn fault.

I am an extrovert and I am sure will thrive in the Villages. I can't wait.

Interesting visual, Gail!! :1rotfl:

With your overall outlook, it sounds like you'll be perfectly happy in TV!

Bill :)

[Larry Wilson]

As a CEO, I got a free lifestyle visit. My friend who is is the VP of Purina just got an invitation to stay free at his convenience. That's marketing.

A few friends were golfing in Scotland and they all got invitations to stay free. They are also in conversations to get another golf pro to live here. They gave Nancy Lopez a great deal for her to live here. They have offered deals to many golf pros. That marketing.

When you get on every major news media by having a book tour, a governor, high profile Republicans, visit or A President to be, that is marketing. It doesn't just happen. It costs for the security, lodging for the entourage, meals, entertainment, transportation. That's all marketing. How about having FOX news broadcast from here twice. Have any idea what that cost or how many people that reached? That's marketing.

I get how anybody who is looking forward to moving here( I did too) or is new here or just loves it. Enjoy it.
Phone is ringing and I've got much to do today. Everyone have a great day!

[villagegolfer]

As a CEO, I got a free lifestyle visit. My friend who is is the VP of Purina just got an invitation to stay free at his convenience. That's marketing.

A few friends were golfing in Scotland and they all got invitations to stay free. They are also in conversations to get another golf pro to live here. They gave Nancy Lopez a great deal for her to live here. They have offered deals to many golf pros. That marketing.

When you get on every major news media by having a book tour, a governor, high profile Republicans, visit or A President to be, that is marketing. It doesn't just happen. It costs for the security, lodging for the entourage, meals, entertainment, transportation. That's all marketing. How about having FOX news broadcast from here twice. Have any idea what that cost or how many people that reached? That's marketing.

I get how anybody who is looking forward to moving here( I did too) or is new here or just loves it. Enjoy it.
Phone is ringing and I've got much to do today. Everyone have a great day!

I think everybody gets the drift of "marketing" thank-you. They have an outstanding marketing department. What are are you attempting to convey?

[Bogie Shooter]

I think everybody gets the drift of "marketing" thank-you. They have an outstanding marketing department. What are are you attempting to convey?

He has his own agenda.

[red tail]

I think everybody gets the drift of "marketing" thank-you. They have an outstanding marketing department. What are are you attempting to convey?

appears to be very impressed with himself !

[butch69]

When I was in the Army, the best Fort to be stationed at was either the one we just left or the one were were going to. Never the one we were at!

[villagegolfer]

appears to be very impressed with himself !

I just re-read the post and I have to concur with you.:rolleyes:

[Mudder]

I too agree, redtail....that was my first thought!

[ilovetv]

Well without "marketing", none of us would be here, and without "marketing", none of us would ever have bought our previous homes from a real estate agent....nor even a for-sale-by-owner because they took out an ad in the newspaper or put a sign in the front yard. That's marketing too.

It would be pretty dumb to sink tens/hundreds of millions of dollars into developing and building homes and commercial properties, and then not "market" them.

The only problem with that marketing would be if the consumer did not actually GET what the marketers said they would get.

Here, we get what they say we're offered and much more. Like tens of thousands of people from every state who are interested in getting to know new people, are mature, and aren't full of themselves.

[runnermi]

When I was in the Army, the best Fort to be stationed at was either the one we just left or the one were were going to. Never the one we were at!



Ahhhh, the grass is always greener syndrome!

[eweissenbach]

I think everybody gets the drift of "marketing" thank-you. They have an outstanding marketing department. What are are you attempting to convey?

He has his own agenda.

appears to be very impressed with himself !

I just re-read the post and I have to concur with you.:rolleyes:

I too agree, redtail....that was my first thought!

Hmmmm; Maybe THIS is why he was reluctant to post! Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it right to blast them. He didn't blast you he just stated his opinion. By the way, he didn't make his marketing post until he was challenged that TV did not do much marketing. IMHO this kind of disagreeable behavior is what is wrong with our politics today -- instead of agreeing to disagree with the opinion and the person making the opinion they must be attacked. I am one who loves the lifestyle and will be buying in TV as soon as I sell in MO., but I am sure there are many for whom it is a bad fit.

[Taj44]

Hmmmm; Maybe THIS is why he was reluctant to post! Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it right to blast them. He didn't blast you he just stated his opinion. By the way, he didn't make his marketing post until he was challenged that TV did not do much marketing. IMHO this kind of disagreeable behavior is what is wrong with our politics today -- instead of agreeing to disagree with the opinion and the person making the opinion they must be attacked. I am one who loves the lifestyle and will be buying in TV as soon as I sell in MO., but I am sure there are many for whom it is a bad fit.

Excellent post. I think you hit the nail on the head regarding the personal attacks on people who post with different opinions.

[quirky3]

Hmmmm; Maybe THIS is why he was reluctant to post! Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it right to blast them. He didn't blast you he just stated his opinion. By the way, he didn't make his marketing post until he was challenged that TV did not do much marketing. IMHO this kind of disagreeable behavior is what is wrong with our politics today -- instead of agreeing to disagree with the opinion and the person making the opinion they must be attacked. I am one who loves the lifestyle and will be buying in TV as soon as I sell in MO., but I am sure there are many for whom it is a bad fit.

Thank you, thank you! Excellent points! :bigbow:

[Indydealmaker]

Hmmmm; Maybe THIS is why he was reluctant to post! Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it right to blast them. He didn't blast you he just stated his opinion. By the way, he didn't make his marketing post until he was challenged that TV did not do much marketing. IMHO this kind of disagreeable behavior is what is wrong with our politics today -- instead of agreeing to disagree with the opinion and the person making the opinion they must be attacked. I am one who loves the lifestyle and will be buying in TV as soon as I sell in MO., but I am sure there are many for whom it is a bad fit.

:agree:

[Bogie Shooter]

It is what it is!

[Barefoot]

Probably haven't spent a penny on advertising in years unless you count their newspaper. Florida.

As a CEO, I got a free lifestyle visit. My friend who is is the VP of Purina just got an invitation to stay free at his convenience. That's marketing.

A few friends were golfing in Scotland and they all got invitations to stay free. They are also in conversations to get another golf pro to live here. They gave Nancy Lopez a great deal for her to live here. They have offered deals to many golf pros. That marketing.

When you get on every major news media by having a book tour, a governor, high profile Republicans, visit or A President to be, that is marketing. It doesn't just happen. It costs for the security, lodging for the entourage,
meals, entertainment, transportation. That's all marketing. How about having FOX news broadcast from here twice. Have any idea what that cost or how many people that reached? That's marketing.

I get how anybody who is looking forward to moving here( I did too) or is
new here or just loves it. Enjoy it. Phone is ringing and I've got much to do today. Everyone have a great day!

I think everybody gets the drift of "marketing"
thank-you. They have an outstanding marketing department. What are are you attempting to convey?

He has his own agenda.

appears to be very impressed with himself !

When I was in the Army, the best Fort to be
stationed at was either the one we just left or the one were were going to.
Never the one we were at!

I just re-read the post and I have to concur with you.:rolleyes:

I too agree, redtail....that was my first
thought!

Gracie was questioning whether TV spends any money on marketing. Larry Wilson, was attempting to pleasantly offer some examples of marketing promotions that wouldn't be evident to most of us. For his post, his character has been criticized. IMHO, Everyone on this website should be able to offer their opinion without being personally criticized.

[BobKat1]

I look in on a couple of forums and from what I can tell, this kind of reaction is normal. Generally, folks who participate are fans of and enthusiastic about the topic of the forum (TV in this case). So someone with a view or opinion different from the majority stands out and the opinion isn't shared by most people. That probably won't change, just the nature of the thing.

[graciegirl]

Do I need to get myself a squirt gun???? Just wondering....

Anytime you want to join. PTurner is in charge of equipment. I would love to have you as part of our group.:wave:

[Taj44]

Gracie was questioning whether TV spends any money on marketing. Larry Wilson, was attempting to pleasantly offer some examples of marketing promotions that wouldn't be evident to most of us. For his post, his character has been criticized. IMHO, Everyone on this website should be able to offer their opinion without being personally criticized.

Well said Barefoot.

[rubicon]

Thank you rubicon for that very honest response. That makes sense to me. I know that you have not been happy in TV and I hope some day you find your Shangri-La.


!

angiefox: I was never looking for Shangri-La nor do I believe such a place exists. It is in my humble opinion "very misplaced" to raise one's expectations to that level whether it is toward a person place or thing...think of the high expectations concerning Obama. :wave:

[Indydealmaker]

I look in on a couple of forums and from what I can tell, this kind of reaction is normal. Generally, folks who participate are fans of and enthusiastic about the topic of the forum (TV in this case). So someone with a view or opinion different from the majority stands out and the opinion isn't shared by most people. That probably won't change, just the nature of the thing.

I also read many forums and you are right, particularly with sports forums. However, I still believe that such mean-spirited, arrogant posts should not be tolerated by forum members. Differences of opinion can co-exist without obvious personal attacks.

I am an advocate of forum posters abandoning anonymity and using their given names. Maybe removing the cloak of invisibility would restore integrity. If not, then at least the lack of anonymity would force personal accountability.

Just my opinion, Steve Massy (indydealmaker)

[graciegirl]

Everytime that I read that you are not happy here Rubicon, it makes me sad. You are a fair, kind person and one that always says things in a reasonable way.

We sold our house in Hadley and friends have sold their homes here easily and quickly. If you would want to sell it probably wouldn't be hard to get rid of your house. I guess I just relearned that the greater expense is moving and getting another house habitable. Not anything to sneeze at to be sure. Costly and stressful to be sure.

I will wish you happy, Rubicon and wish it very sincerely

. And my glasses aren't rose colored Weissenbach, I have just stumbled across a small group of people who like me and who I like back. Add in the art lessons and the classical music presentations and the myriad of places to eat and drink with friends and the blue skys and pretty tropical birds and no snow....I'm good.

Really good.

[angiefox10]

I also read many forums and you are right, particularly with sports forums. However, I still believe that such mean-spirited, arrogant posts should not be tolerated by forum members. Differences of opinion can co-exist without obvious personal attacks.

I am an advocate of forum posters abandoning anonymity and using their given names. Maybe removing the cloak of invisibility would restore integrity. If not, then at least the lack of anonymity would force personal accountability.

Just my opinion, Steve Massy (indydealmaker)

Oh... and how I agree with this post. Can we all stop this? I have asked the Administrator to please close this post but he and the Moderators are not on right now. None of this has anything to do with the post, adds nothing to this post in any way at all. It is nothing more then people attacking each other.

This is my thread and if you read my posts on this thread the only thing I asked is that you be nice to one another!

I don't give a rats ass what you think of me... KNOCK IT OFF!!! YOU ARE MAKING ASSES OF YOURSELF.

And now... so have I.

Have a great day!

[graciegirl]

Dear administrators...close this thread.

[eweissenbach]

. And my glasses aren't rose colored Weissenbach, I have just stumbled across a small group of people who like me and who I like back. Add in the art lessons and the classical music presentations and the myriad of places to eat and drink with friends and the blue skys and pretty tropical birds and no snow....I'm good.

Really good.

WOW Gracie, I don't remember saying anything about you, specifically, having rose colored glasses. If I did, I apologize! I think you are a gracious and honest person who happens to be very enthusiastic about TV, which is fine. I'm sorry if anything I said offended you.

[BigLew]

Having lived most of my adult life in the SF Bay Area, Monday Night Football started at 5:30 PM. My wife just commented that it was nearly 8:30 and Monday Night Football will start soon but she can't stay up past 9:00 and will miss it again. If our kids were around they would stay up with me but they are long gone and it's just us two who want to watch Monday Night Football and she doesn't stay up late.

This may force us to stay in California until February so we can watch Monday Night Football at a respectable time; but then we would miss our daily pickleball games at 8 AM. Nothing but problems here in paradise!


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one word.....TIVO,:girlneener: start a Tuesday Night Football tradition!

[Bogie Shooter]

Dear administrators...close this thread.

Remember, page views sells advertising.....3866 and counting!

[graciegirl]

Remember, page views sells advertising.....3866 and counting!

Bogie.

You have never once said anything that I didn't agree with. You are calm, cool and collected and always right.

Are you sure you aren't my husband with another screen name?

[runnermi]

Oh... and how I agree with this post. Can we all stop this? I have asked the Administrator to please close this post but he and the Moderators are not on right now. None of this has anything to do with the post, adds nothing to this post in any way at all. It is nothing more then people attacking each other.

This is my thread and if you read my posts on this thread the only thing I asked is that you be nice to one another!

I don't give a rats ass what you think of me... KNOCK IT OFF!!! YOU ARE MAKING ASSES OF YOURSELF.

And now... so have I.

Have a great day!


Angie, you are a funny woman! That is one of my favorite expressions. A Rat's @SS. I love it.

[Mudder]

It wasn't what LarryWilson said, it was how he said it,"as a CEO blah, blah, blah". We don't care that he was a CEO, there are many ex CEO's here and most of them don't need to remind people who they were, all we care about is are you fun to play golf, tennis, pickleball, dance, etc....with.

[red tail]

It wasn't what LarryWilson said, it was how he said it,"as a CEO blah, blah, blah". We don't care that he was a CEO, there are many ex CEO's here and most of them don't need to remind people who they were, all we care about is are you fun to play golf, tennis, pickleball, dance, etc....with.

bingo !!!

[redwitch]

Angie asked a very reasonable question. In the main, she got replies from those who love TV and see very little, if any, wrong with it. A couple of us mentioned some minuses, but really nothing major. Poor Rubicon is stuck here and he truly has my sympathies (honest, I'm not being in the least bit sarcastic -- no one should be forced to live somewhere they're not happy).

In between, this thread has gone off the track a few times mostly in fun. Then, all of a sudden someone got slammed, accused of having their own agenda, basically accused of what? trying to show off? brag?, etc. I guess he could have made the examples of how TV was in fact still marketing without being a CEO, but would we have given credence to the fact that TV offered him a free lifestyle visit otherwise? Sometimes our position or former position in life is given as a means of validating what we are saying. Personally, I think this was the case here.

So, I'm with Angie. It is time to close this thread. Her question has been asked and answered to a small degree. The odds of getting more answers are slim. Regardless, could we please stop the criticizing of another member here?

[Moderator]

At the request of the OP and several others, this thread will be closed at least temporarily pending admin review.

Please discuss the posts and not the posters and try to stay on topic.