Gay & Lesbian Military Members Sue Government

[Guest]

More dividing instead of uniting:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/10/27/gay_and_lesbian_service_members_sue_government/

[Guest]

just another group who will pursue an opportunity with their hand out to get a freebie from the government.

The simple non political way would be to advise them to just be quiet and go back to work....we the government are out of money!!!! Especially if you did not contribute to the entitlement pool you are after.

This is another example of the permissive society taking advantage of every twist and turn.

Tell 'em no!!!

btk

[Guest]

You had to know this is coming. The school room and the military are the new bastions of social engineering. Children are indoctrinated and the military shows the way for the new social order. That is when the liberals are in control.

[Guest]

1) What harm does gay marriage do to you? Don't give me a line about the "sanctity of marriage" because it was legal for my uncle to marry 6 times to 4 different women - to say nothing of incidents like the Spear's weekend not-a-marriage.

2) The Constitution requires the states to respect each other's laws. That means, while Alabama can have laws that do not sanction gay marriages in their state, they DO have to recognize a marriage legally performed in another state.

I think this will end up becoming a challenge to the Constitutionality of the DoMA.

Mind you - I'm not saying that, for instance, the Catholic Church should be forced to perform these ceremonies or anything like that.

[Guest]

1) What harm does gay marriage do to you? Don't give me a line about the "sanctity of marriage" because it was legal for my uncle to marry 6 times to 4 different women - to say nothing of incidents like the Spear's weekend not-a-marriage.

2) The Constitution requires the states to respect each other's laws. That means, while Alabama can have laws that do not sanction gay marriages in their state, they DO have to recognize a marriage legally performed in another state.

I think this will end up becoming a challenge to the Constitutionality of the DoMA.

Mind you - I'm not saying that, for instance, the Catholic Church should be forced to perform these ceremonies or anything like that.

I'm not against gay marriage, myself, and that may be a surprise to some. I am against things like this being shoved down the throat of a populace that overwhelmingly is against it.

Giving testimony of bad actors is not in itself a justification to trash a time honored belief and law based on traditions that go back thousands of years. It's the easy way out for a debate on the issue.

If the law is to be changed it must be done by the people through their legislators. If it's unilaterally decreed by an unelected activist judiciary it'll be a travesty and an affront to our system of government. IMHO

[Guest]

I'm not against gay civil unions (the term "marriage" does not apply, since "marriage" is a different kind of union--a heterosexual one).

What I find wrong with this matter above is that everything in the Democrat agenda boils down to getting more people onto government "benefits"!

The people suing over this matter are pressing to get more people onto government benefits, while our military servicemen and women are already paid so pathetically that many families are on food stamps or would qualify for them.

Military budgets are already overstretched, and when the troops are brought home from Iraq and Afghanistan (and we WANT them to come home), the already terrible unemployment situation is going to swell and burst, with more and more veterans applying for unemployment compensation when the system is already broke.

Take a look at the spousal benefits offered to military spouses and families. Can the military and the U.S. government really afford to bring more people onto the military benefits programs, when they are not legally married* under federal law? (See Defense of Marriage Act at the end)

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* The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) (Pub.L. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419, enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C) is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996 whereby the federal government defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman. Under the law, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) may be required to recognize as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state. The law passed both houses of Congress by large majorities.

[Guest]

If you ask me, I don't think that gays and lesbians should be discriminated against in the military. By that, I mean a civil union should give both partners the same rights as a spouse. It is NOT a Democrat trick to get more people on government benefits. It is a humane way of getting the same rights afforded to hetrosexual couples. Nothing at all wrong with that.

[Guest]

QUOTE=buggyone;411501]If you ask me, I don't think that gays and lesbians should be discriminated against in the military. By that, I mean a civil union should give both partners the same rights as a spouse. It is NOT a Democrat trick to get more people on government benefits. It is a humane way of getting the same rights afforded to hetrosexual couples. Nothing at all wrong with that.[/QUOTE]

:agree:

[Guest]

I'm not against gay marriage, myself, and that may be a surprise to some. I am against things like this being shoved down the throat of a populace that overwhelmingly is against it.

Giving testimony of bad actors is not in itself a justification to trash a time honored belief and law based on traditions that go back thousands of years. It's the easy way out for a debate on the issue.

If the law is to be changed it must be done by the people through their legislators. If it's unilaterally decreed by an unelected activist judiciary it'll be a travesty and an affront to our system of government. IMHO

1) It's not as overwhelming as you think. Polls have shown an ever increasing level of support for gay marriage. My *personal* view is because of demographics - younger people who are more receptive to the concept over time and.

2) Gay marriage is not trashing marriage. It's being more inclusive to the concept that marriage is for two people who love and wish to commit to each other. This is certainly better, IMO, than the concept of marriage when it was enacted - that the woman was property of the husband. Just because "Adam & Steve" want to get married does my marriage to my wife no harm (FYI - her name is Susan, traditional, albeit not first, marriage for both of us)

Let me say that I understand the "eeeuuww" factor some people have at the sight of two men at the altar. I just don't think that those feelings should impact the lives of innocent people.

[Guest]

ilovetv: One reason that 'marriage' is being pushed over 'civil union' is a semantic one.

If a state passes a 'civil union' law, then they have to go benefit-by-benefit, right-by-right to include them under a civil union.

if a state passes a 'gay marriage' law, then all rights and responsibilities that mention 'marriage' now qualify automatically.

[Guest]

It is difficult to argue what is perceived to be a negative and is even more pronounced in our politically correct envirnoment. Military personnel are now being denied benefits and plans are to reduce more of their benefits. subsequently the number of troops are being reduced. Our government is putting us in harm's way by cutting back on defense spending.

The repeal of don't ask, don't tell was done under this cloud because those in power had their poltical agenda and ignored the potential hazards.

It is clear that the government's shortsightedness will result in a draft. It is also clear that the repeal of don't ask, don't tell has opened a pandora's box
because this issue is not as benign as liberals suggest

[Guest]

The repeal of DADT was to re-instate the draft. With the draftees coming on board, pay and allowances can be reduced to the levels there where back in the 50s and 60s. Save a lot of money that then can be used for the free loaders.

[Guest]

I don't think the draft can ever be enacted. There are so many ore categories of those who don't have, won't have to, don't want to or are illegal to serve.

There just will be too many that will not serve for way too many disgusting political and monetary reasons.

Unless they do it by age and eliminate all the other parameters.....if you live in the USA and you are 18.5 years of age, your going whether you like it or not.....serve or get out of the country....and yes I do have a spare bridge to sell too.

btk

[Guest]

So why is it okay for the U.S. Military to completely ignore the Defense of Marriage Act passed by Congress with large majorities in both houses, and signed by the President??


The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) (Pub.L. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419, enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C) is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996 whereby the federal government defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman. Under the law, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) may be required to recognize as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state. The law passed both houses of Congress by large majorities.

[Guest]

The repeal of DADT was to re-instate the draft. With the draftees coming on board, pay and allowances can be reduced to the levels there where back in the 50s and 60s. Save a lot of money that then can be used for the free loaders.

Can you give even an OUNCE of where this is coming from?

[Guest]

The repeal of DADT was to re-instate the draft. With the draftees coming on board, pay and allowances can be reduced to the levels there where back in the 50s and 60s. Save a lot of money that then can be used for the free loaders.

figmo bohica I do not know if that was the intent of repeal of don't ask, don't tell but it will be in part the result, along with the fact that there is political pressure from the lefties to reduce our defense budget substantially. We have airplanes in service that are older than the pilots who are flying them. We need a president that understands the importance of having a "superior" military. Obama wants to merge us with NATO.

[Guest]

Can you give even an OUNCE of where this is coming from?

When you cut out the "All Volunteer" force what is left to protect this country? With no one willing to join the military because of pay and benefits how do you keep a standing military force? Only one way, the draft. What more OUNCES do you really need to prove this fact. Wake up, smell the roses, we are being lead down the path to be come a third world country and come under the protection of the UN. Once there are enough libs to call for and get a Con-Con there will be no more Constitution, if you don't believe that read up on what happened when they had one when the United States was under the "Articles of Confederation." During the Con-Con only certain changes were to be made to the Articles of Confederation. Instead they chucked the whole thing and came up with the Constitution we have today. It could and will happen again.

But let's hope not, for this could very well lead to revoluation and that wouldn't be any fun.

[Guest]

Rubicon,

You said President Obama wants to merge us with NATO. The US is part of NATO and has been since NATO began.

I cannot even begin to comment on Figmo's posting. Some postings are better left completely alone.

[Guest]

The gay marriage movement has not got a damn thing to do with gay marriage. Who cares?

The real reason behind this movement and others like it is to be sure that no individual or group has anything that they can call their own. It is just another step toward socialism and communism. Another attack on any form of individualism

Think about it.

[Guest]

If our nation did go back to the draft, can you imagine the new list of "disabilities" all the able-bodied misfits would press for, to be exempted from the draft?? What they're calling "the new normal" will suddenly be a "disability".... Like Chaz Bono if he/she/it one day gets "bottom surgery":

"Ecstatic about having the surgery, Bono said he hated his breasts from the moment they developed and that he has felt much better since having them removed.

"I never wear a shirt at home anymore, ever," he said.

Anatomically, Bono remains a woman from the waist down and said he doesn't have any plans to undergo corrective surgery yet because that type of surgery is still risky.

"I'm just kind of waiting to see what happens and hoping that there are medical advances made and it gets a little better because right now the risk-reward ratio is just not quite right," he said. "The majority of [transgender people] don't have bottom surgery because of that."

But even without physically having a p**is, Bono said he has always felt like a man, long before taking hormone injections.

"That's not to say I wouldn't like a p**is," he said. "I really would like one and I hope that someday I will get one."

His partner also said she completely views Bono now as a male. "I don't even think of him at all as a woman. I haven't for years," Elia said.

Since the transition, Bono said he's the same person he's always been, but just in a different body.

"I am the male version of my former self," he said."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/chaz-bonos-transition-sonny-chers-child-man-sex/story?id=13561466&page=2

[Guest]

buggyone, you really need to read more. The US have never once allowed a foreign NATO commander to command US Troops. Even when our troops are part of a NATO operation they are commanded by a US Officer. Once the US is completely merged with NATO our armed forces will just be part of a world controled army and could be used against citizens of this country. Would you really like that to happen?

[Guest]

If our nation did go back to the draft, can you imagine the new list of "disabilities" all the able-bodied misfits would press for, to be exempted from the draft?? What they're calling "the new normal" will suddenly be a "disability".... Like Chaz Bono if he/she/it one day gets "bottom surgery":

"Ecstatic about having the surgery, Bono said he hated his breasts from the moment they developed and that he has felt much better since having them removed.

"I never wear a shirt at home anymore, ever," he said.

Anatomically, Bono remains a woman from the waist down and said he doesn't have any plans to undergo corrective surgery yet because that type of surgery is still risky.

"I'm just kind of waiting to see what happens and hoping that there are medical advances made and it gets a little better because right now the risk-reward ratio is just not quite right," he said. "The majority of [transgender people] don't have bottom surgery because of that."

But even without physically having a p**is, Bono said he has always felt like a man, long before taking hormone injections.

"That's not to say I wouldn't like a p**is," he said. "I really would like one and I hope that someday I will get one."

His partner also said she completely views Bono now as a male. "I don't even think of him at all as a woman. I haven't for years," Elia said.

Since the transition, Bono said he's the same person he's always been, but just in a different body.

"I am the male version of my former self," he said."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/chaz-bonos-transition-sonny-chers-child-man-sex/story?id=13561466&page=2

I'm confused Bono and her girlfriend were attracted to each other because they are leisbians. so what does bono do make as much of a transformation to male as s/he could such that his/her girlfriend now views him/her as a male. So did this gay couple turn straight? semi-straight?

[Guest]

CMANN: You have no idea what you're talking about. I have gays in my family and they will refute your assertation 100%.

[Guest]

The gay marriage movement has not got a damn thing to do with gay marriage. Who cares?

The real reason behind this movement and others like it is to be sure that no individual or group has anything that they can call their own. It is just another step toward socialism and communism. Another attack on any form of individualism

Think about it.

Say what?? HUH??? This makes no sense.