I read this definition

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a few times, and it truly makes sense.

It's what we have in Washington, DC.

Finally, a way to describe Obama and his voters.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy): A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

I don't know who wrote this but it sure hit the nail on the head with the current administration and many of the past administrations.

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I agree. I love this word. Say it and spell it 3 times and it's yours!

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You should give credit where credit is due, George W. invented the word. On his watch we had 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the collapse of the mortgage industry. Yep, George more than qualifies for that prize.

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a great new word to fill in that void for those governing local, state and federal.

And as usual there is the always counted on retro bush slapping even when the thread does not mention any affiliation of R or D for the definition...must be some sort of guilt complex. And I wonder what the future looks like to those who can only see backward?

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You should give credit where credit is due, George W. invented the word. On his watch we had 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the collapse of the mortgage industry. Yep, George more than qualifies for that prize.

George Bush is responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? Did you forget the Tsunami's, hurricanes and volcano eruptions too?

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You should give credit where credit is due, George W. invented the word. On his watch we had 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the collapse of the mortgage industry. Yep, George more than qualifies for that prize.

George Bush is responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? Did you forget the Tsunami's, hurricanes and volcano eruptions too?

I bet that if Bush was still President, the Texas Rangers would have won World Series. LOL

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Yepper, it's all "W" fault, not one Democrat has ever been at fault. Oh. Well, "W" can take it. Wonder how many Presidents we will have to go through before everyone stops blaming "W" for everything.

BTW, he is responsible for the Cardenals winning. Just thought I would throw that in for some unknown reason.

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a great new word to fill in that void for those governing local, state and federal.

And as usual there is the always counted on retro bush slapping even when the thread does not mention any affiliation of R or D for the definition...must be some sort of guilt complex. And I wonder what the future looks like to those who can only see backward?

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a few times, and it truly makes sense.

It's what we have in Washington, DC.

Finally, a way to describe Obama and his voters.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy): A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

I don't know who wrote this but it sure hit the nail on the head with the current administration and many of the past administrations.

Sounds to me like this encompasses all.:sigh:

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memason, please do not restate my views of Obama's lack of performance based on measurable promises and commitments or lack of commitments as "bashing" Obama.....I have never, currently do not and never will support, based on my experience and measuring executive performance support anybody who is not doing the job. In that regard I am outspoken about Obama and his performance.

Right or wrong (it does not matter) I voted for Clinton. I particularly did not like the shame he brought to the job.....which had nothing to do with his performance as POTUS and that also had nothing to do with R or D just what the current POTUS did, at the time.

Yes, some of us really can make it without the need for even bringing up the R or D....I bring it up when needed as I view it very specifically as ones choice....not as a measure of value added or not as some just feel they must establish. The issues and those who are governing at the time and how they are performing at the time is the only value. Retro measuring or slapping does not add any value to the here and now.

I personally do not subscribe to keeping a non performer in the job....never have...never will.

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...Wonder how many Presidents we will have to go through before everyone stops blaming "W" for everything...

More than you'll ever see in your lifetime. George W worse President ever in my lifetime, he beats out Carter, Nixon and LBJ by a country mile.

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More than you'll ever see in your lifetime. George W worse President ever in my lifetime, he beats out Carter, Nixon and LBJ by a country mile. .

First of all, You have got to be kidding!!

If it was not for him we would all be kneeling down on a rug pointed toward Mecca several times a day by now. He put in place everything that has made it possible for you to even be voicing your opinion on this subject.

Now even though I voted for him he was a disaster as far as domestic problems. Not the best we ever had but certainly not as bad as you think.
I think spoken like a true far lefty would think.

I find it curious that Obama was not on your list of bad presidents.

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Quite a few believe Obama is a bad President.

There's Osama Bin Laden, Mommar Ghadaffi, Abu al-Masri, al-Baghdadi, Hamza Jawfi, Saleh al-Somali, Muhammad Haqqani, al-Yemeni, Noordin Top, al-Shahri, al-Awlaki, and at least a dozen others.

All these terrorist/murderers - and ********** - think Obama is a bad OTUS.

What a coincidence !!!

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All Obama did was support the initiatives and military strategies that President Bush instituted during his eight years as Commander in Chief. It just happened to come to fruition after he left office. I find it amusing that Obama will blame Bush for financial decisions during his term but take credit for things Bush did right.

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the use of tea ****** must make you tingly all over....why else would someone keep using the term? Certainly not for intellectual dialogue....eh?

We all know it is a term that can only used in comfort from behind the anonymity of a key board.

Must be difficult to live multiple lives/faces.

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George Bush is responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? Did you forget the Tsunami's, hurricanes and volcano eruptions too?

He did not say that Bush was responsible for Katrina..he said he was responsible for the Katrina fiasco, for what happened afterwards...and he was.

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He did not say that Bush was responsible for Katrina..he said he was responsible for the Katrina fiasco, for what happened afterwards...and he was.

No, local government messed it up, but Bush never defended himself or put blame on other people like current administration.

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Mississippi 2005 Bush "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job,"

USS Lincoln May 1, 2003 Bush "Mission Accomplished"

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No, local government messed it up, but Bush never defended himself or put blame on other people like current administration.

See post below this one. FEMA screwed things up royally..and that is not the fault of local government. Local governments were trying desperately to get help....

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OK, get back on topic. This is not about Bush or Obama. The defination is about almost ever administration, congress, federal program, state or local government that has been initated by any administration since about 1913.

Any time the government says something the vast majority of the time the exact opposite happens. Does not matter whether it is a Dem or Repub in charge.

This is not a topic for Bush bashing or Obama bashing, its for bashing every administration since the "Big Bang." You know the beginning of slimey life known as a "Career Politician."

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I am not a Obama lover, never have been never will be but I have to agree with this.

OK, get back on topic. This is not about Bush or Obama. The defination is about almost ever administration, congress, federal program, state or local government that has been initated by any administration since about 1913.

Any time the government says something the vast majority of the time the exact opposite happens. Does not matter whether it is a Dem or Repub in charge.

This is not a topic for Bush bashing or Obama bashing, its for bashing every administration since the "Big Bang." You know the beginning of slimey life known as a "Career Politician."
Today 12:27 PM

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You mean like, Iraq has WMD's?

We will be welcomed as liberators?

Iraqi oil will pay for the war?

The econmy is sound (as inflation was rising to record levels)?

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First President to refuse to show a valid Birth Certificate.

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner
First President to have a social security number from a state he's never lived in
First President to Preside over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
First President to Violate the War Powers Act

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party
First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs-- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the US , Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swo re an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc)
First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer.

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loveitthere, either you can't read or I don't know what your problem is. Obama is not the first sleaze bag to be elected to the Office of the President. This is not an Obama/Bush or any other President bash. It was a defination of any administration up and including the current one. Keep on topic or start another thread with your Obama bash. I hope that you understand this now.

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loveitthere, either you can't read or I don't know what your problem is. Obama is not the first sleaze bag to be elected to the Office of the President. This is not an Obama/Bush or any other President bash. It was a defination of any administration up and including the current one. Keep on topic or start another thread with your Obama bash. I hope that you understand this now.

Sorry, was responding to Coralway.

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First President to refuse to show a valid Birth Certificate.

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner
First President to have a social security number from a state he's never lived in
First President to Preside over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
First President to Violate the War Powers Act

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party
First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs-- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the US , Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swo re an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc)
First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer.

you forgot to mention:

First president to have campaigned 60+ times or every 4 days. So much for sitting behind the desk doing the job you were electd to do but Obama is only good at pontificating with tele-a-prompter

The opposite of ineptocracy is meritocracy. I'll let other posters decide which party has the most of each:wave:

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See Post #24.

you forgot to mention:

First president to have campaigned 60+ times or every 4 days. So much for sitting behind the desk doing the job you were electd to do but Obama is only good at pontificating with tele-a-prompter

The opposite of ineptocracy is meritocracy. I'll let other posters decide which party has the most of each:wave:

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Number 1 on your list should of been "First Black President"

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Number 1 on your list should of been "First Black President"

First 50% black president...........just saying..the first black president will ne Herman Cain.

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See Post #24.

I addressedthe post just deviated long enough to add a "first president to the long, impressive and extensive list..........geez

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First 50% black president...........just saying..the first black president will ne Herman Cain.

With the accusations facing him. :wave:

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Number 1 on your list should of been "First Black President"

...why so focused on race...?

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Barack Hussein Obama is half white. Mr. Cain does not have the cream in his coffee.

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First 50% black president...........just saying..the first black president will ne Herman Cain.




Uh - Oh .... looks like there is trouble in pizzaland....

In an interview airing on Fox News on Monday night, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain says that a financial settlement was paid to one of two women who accused him of sexual harassment while he was serving as head of the National Restaurant Association over a decade ago.

However, in responding to the accusations in question earlier in the day, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said, "I have never sexually harassed anyone and those accusations are totally false ... It was concluded, after a thorough investigation, that it had no basis." He added, "I am unaware of any sort of settlement."


Herman, we hardly knew ye..........

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"Bush Derangement Syndrome" is at it's peak again. You guys are hilarious.

I thought Clinton was the first black president. He said so, himself.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/5/170824.shtml

I see all the racists who accused Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment are now putting the white robes on again and accusing Herman Cain of similar activity. More white men afraid of a black man. You Democrat racists are shameless. Must you use your fear of a strong black man to band together and try to "lynch" him.

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if the masses and the media that support(ed) Obama could accept/forget/bypass/ignore so called "unacceptable" actions/behaviors/accusations, then anybody else in the running should be entitled to the same tolerances and go-no-go gauging.

Didja ever wonder how these negative nuggets from 10, 20, 30 or more years ago just mysteriously bubble to the surface.....NOW?

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Really.. I don't even have to do ANY research to debunk a few of those.. But let's take just a few easy pickings...

First President to refuse to show a valid Birth Certificate.

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner
First President to have a social security number from a state he's never lived in
First President to Preside over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
First President to Violate the War Powers Act

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party
First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs-- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the US , Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swo re an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc)
First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer.

Birth certificate? Here:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/28/search-for-u-s-presidents-birth-certificates-yields-mixed-results/
...seems to indicate it's never been an issue. Carter, for one, never provided his.

Social Security Number? Can come from anywhere depending on where it's processed.

War Powers Act? Seems to me Bush violated it as well if you're using Iraq as an example - otherwise NATO operations (Libya) aren't covered by it.

...and the PRESIDENT orchestrated 'Fast and Furious'?

Contempt of Court? Yes, in the Gulf Oil case - but the administration is hardly the first to be held in contempt.

Terminating American men in space? Umm.. That was BUSH who signed that order!

Cut in the Credit Rating? Because CONGRESS can't get it's act together.

Vacations?

CBS Radio's Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data.

So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.


That's just what I could do in less than ten minutes.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have build a house of bricks, not straw.

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a few times, and it truly makes sense.

It's what we have in Washington, DC.

Finally, a way to describe Obama and his voters.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy): A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

I don't know who wrote this but it sure hit the nail on the head with the current administration and many of the past administrations.

Amen brother........"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it".

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931- 2005

Winston Churchill had a profound take on socialism that validates your point that while "Ineptocracy"' is contempory in nature...the problem is not new.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill

The leftists among us will never get it. Sadly, they selectively forget the blood and treasure we sacrificed fighting ideologies that have at their very core..."redistribution of wealth".

Have a great day in The Villages.

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Cabo35, I wish I could take credit for that defination, but I found it on the web. Could not come up with who wrote it, maybe someone can who does more research. But thought that it described not only the current administration, but goes way back to the Great Society, Social Security and other government give away programs, to include the unconstitutinal creation of the FED.

What most people forget is that communism, socialism and the rest of the ism's work really great until they run out of other peoples money. The United States did not defeat the USSR, the USSR defeated themselves by running out of money. That is what will happen to this country if we don't stop spending on programs that do nothing to create wealth, like NAFTA, CAFTA and unfunded by worker pension/medical care funds. Everyone believes that military retirees get unfunded pensions, but if you look at the difference in pay for the same jobs, vs military to civilian, you will see that military pensions are actually funded by the lower wages. I would not have had any problem with the government withholding a portion of my salary if it was equal to what a civilian worker got for the same job.

An example is the government sent me to a beautiful foreign country, to meet exotic and wonderful people, who shot at me. Show me a civilian job that has the same description for the huge monthly salary of $108 per month, I was a PFC at the time, and then we will talk about pensions for the military that are, so called unfunded by worker contributions.

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Figmo keeps talking about the £108 - this is a European keyboard - he made as a PFC. That was 40-some years ago. Currently, a PFC makes fairly good money plus benefits. Most soldiers get to the E-4 or E-5 level in their first 3 or 4 years. They make a decent salary plus excellent benefits. Lifers usually retire at the E-7 or E-8 and have excellent salaries plus excellent benefits. This is their choice of a career.

Yes, Junior Bush was the most inept President in history. No doubt in the history books about that.

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PFC gets $1729.80 a month and this is NOT good wages if you are getting shot at. Sorry, buggyone, but that PFC today, the same as 40 years ago, with a family still qualifies for food stamps.

Another thing, military members have to spend 20 plus years to get a pension. Criminal "career politicans" only need to spend one term to get full pay pensions plus medical care.

Who do you want protecting you? Just wondering.

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Another thing, military members have to spend 20 plus years to get a pension. Criminal "career politicans" only need to spend one term to get full pay pensions plus medical care.

Who do you want protecting you? Just wondering.

Figmo - assuming you're talking about Congress, it is no longer true that they get full pensions afterone term. In fact that hasn't been the case since the 1980s if I remember what I read the last time a list of Congress' excesses was making the rounds. (Among other things, they DO pay into Social Security and have sone so since around 1984).

Congress is now in the FERS system - which is the exact same system that I and my employer (the USAF) pay into.

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from wikipedia.

The pension amount is determined by a formula that takes into account the years served and the average pay for the top three years in terms of payment. In 2002, the average pension payment ranged from $41,000 to $55,000. For example, a member of Congress who worked for 22 years and had a top three-year average salary of $153,900 would be eligible for a pension payment of $84,645 per year.[3]

This is to supplement social security.

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Figmo - assuming you're talking about Congress, it is no longer true that they get full pensions afterone term. In fact that hasn't been the case since the 1980s if I remember what I read the last time a list of Congress' excesses was making the rounds. (Among other things, they DO pay into Social Security and have sone so since around 1984).

Congress is now in the FERS system - which is the exact same system that I and my employer (the USAF) pay into.

So how long to they have to work before their vested in their pension?

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FERS kind of has two parts. You have to have 20 years to get a pension from FERS (at least civilians do - I think some rules are different for active duty military) and the amount ends up being your number of years as a percentage (put in 22 years, you get 22%) of what your average base pay was for your final three years. Mind you, you get your BASE pay used - not any adjustments for location (i.e. I work in the Boston area so I get a 24% bump - San Francisco and New York, as example, are higher).

The second part is a 401K-like "TSP". Currently, I'm putting in 5% of my pay and the government is matching it (I get vested in either 1 or 3 years, I forget which). The primary difference between this and a 401K is that you only have a choice of a few index or bond funds to choose from.

One big change that happened some time ago but lives on in urban legends is that you can no longer use your accumulated sick time as a big retirement bonus. You lose your sick time at the end of your working days. HOWEVER - there is still one bonus. *If* you have enough sick time when you retire that using it would have bumped you across another 'year boundary', you can have your pension affected. In other words, if you worked those 22 years BUT had enough sick time that you COULD have made it to 23 years, you would get 23% instead of 22%.

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djp....how much of what you are presenting applies to the 535 in the government?

I suspect like every other pyramid of organization, the lawmakers do in fact get much more coverage, legitimate and otherwise. These people don't take these jobs just because they are deicated to serve (:1rotfl::1rotfl:).

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From the sources I have, all of it applies. But, checking Wikipedia's entry on the subject, I can see where the confusion comes from.

It says that a 'full pension' is possible after 5 years (if the person is 62 or older, 20 years if they're 50+ and any age if they have 25+ years). This means they can get 5% of their salary - they're vested in the system and retire at 62 with 5 years. It's easy to see how someone can read "full pension" and think that they're getting their entire salary for the rest of their lives.

The switchover date from CERS to FERS was in 1987 (I thought it was 1984).

Now, as I understand it, they have a better health plan than I do - that would be one of the perks of being a legislooter over being a web programmer for the Air Force.

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Will you still get your pension if you go to jail? Congress does. Lots of those laws you are reading do not pertain to congressional members. They exempted themselves and that information is really hard to find out about. But keep looking you will find it.

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1) Yes, I will. Unless I break the law to the degree of a felony while in government service. If I leave and, years later, do something, it doesn't matter. There's a bill pending in Congress to expand the rules concerning denial of Congressional pensions. from the article I just read, only treason and a few other crimes can cause a legislooter to lose his/her pension.

2) I was a bit wrong about the calculations. Billthekid was on the right track. Congressional members and Congressional employees get 1.7% per year of Congressional service (not to exceed 20) PLUS 1% per year of other government service. Just as an FYI, Air Traffic Controllers, Firefighters, Law Enforcement Officers, Capitol Police, Supreme Court Police, or Nuclear Materials Couriers get 1.7% per year up to 20 years and 1% per year after that.

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1) Yes, I will. Unless I break the law to the degree of a felony while in government service. If I leave and, years later, do something, it doesn't matter. There's a bill pending in Congress to expand the rules concerning denial of Congressional pensions. from the article I just read, only treason and a few other crimes can cause a legislooter to lose his/her pension.

2) I was a bit wrong about the calculations. Billthekid was on the right track. Congressional members and Congressional employees get 1.7% per year of Congressional service (not to exceed 20) PLUS 1% per year of other government service. Just as an FYI, Air Traffic Controllers, Firefighters, Law Enforcement Officers, Capitol Police, Supreme Court Police, or Nuclear Materials Couriers get 1.7% per year up to 20 years and 1% per year after that.

legislooter? Freudian slip? LMAO...what an appropriate label!

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legislooter!!!! another new, APPROPRIATE word!!!!!

btk

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legislooter? Freudian slip? LMAO...what an appropriate label!

I heard/came up with that term some years ago (can't remember which) and it seemed appropriate so I've been doing my part to widen it's usage :)