Is There An Explanation I'm Missing?

[Guest]

We have a POTUS whose favorability rating among all Americans is near record lows. Clearly, the right GOP candidate has a wide open opportunity to make Barack Obama a one-term president.

But we have a field of Republican candidates which includes only three candidates that any reasonable person would say has the intelligence, temperament and experience to serve as our president. Of those three, probably only two could reasonably be expected to win the 2012 general election. Yet less than half of Republicans would vote for those three candidates. More than half of GOP primary voters still support candidates who are obviously flawed in one way or another, a couple embarrassingly so, but more importantly hold no chance whatsoever of getting a 51% plurality of Americans voting in the general election.

Why? Is there some reason why the majority of Republicans are still supporting primary candidates who are incompetent to serve as president and hold no chance of winning the general election? Are Republicans so confident that ANY Republican candidate will be elected, even if they are clearly unqualified to serve in that position? That would be false confidence and a really bad electoral outcome, for sure.

Voters have a free choice, no doubt. But why are we continuing to choose and support candidates who are so obviously flawed? Wouldn't Republicans be better served by coalescing behind one or two competent and competitive candidates? Please, try to answer the question and try to avoid attacking me for asking about what is so obvious

[Guest]

That is only your OPINION. Look at 2008 and the dems had to choose from a few incompetents, namely Hillary and Mr. TelePrompter, John, fake war hero, Kerry.

[Guest]

We have a POTUS whose favorability rating among all Americans is near record lows. Clearly, the right GOP candidate has a wide open opportunity to make Barack Obama a one-term president.

But we have a field of Republican candidates which includes only three candidates that any reasonable person would say has the intelligence, temperament and experience to serve as our president. Of those three, probably only two could reasonably be expected to win the 2012 general election. Yet less than half of Republicans would vote for those three candidates. More than half of GOP primary voters still support candidates who are obviously flawed in one way or another, a couple embarrassingly so, but more importantly hold no chance whatsoever of getting a 51% plurality of Americans voting in the general election.

Why? Is there some reason why the majority of Republicans are still supporting primary candidates who are incompetent to serve as president and hold no chance of winning the general election? Are Republicans so confident that ANY Republican candidate will be elected, even if they are clearly unqualified to serve in that position? That would be false confidence and a really bad electoral outcome, for sure.

Voters have a free choice, no doubt. But why are we continuing to choose and support candidates who are so obviously flawed? Wouldn't Republicans be better served by coalescing behind one or two competent and competitive candidates? Please, try to answer the question and try to avoid attacking me for asking about what is so obvious

Two words. Grover Norquist.

[Guest]

"Is there some reason why the majority of Republicans are still supporting primary candidates who are incompetent to serve as president and hold no chance of winning the general election?"

"Incompetent" is a relative term. All presidential contenders and winners have been "incompetent" in some way or another, because they are human beings, not God.

Many said Reagan and Clinton--two favorites in recent decades--were "incompetent" too, but I don't think they were in the overall picture.

Thinking people look at the whole picture that includes not only a technician's skill in a couple of key subjects such as economy or foreign policy, but also

- character,
- personal integrity;
- diplomacy;
- trustworthiness;
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles;
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals.

Personally, I don't know how anyone can say that Romney, Gingrich, Perry or Cain (even with his latest speechlessness on Libya) are "incompetent". They have proven experience that clearly states the contrary. They are accomplished people who have personal weakness in knowledge, as anyone would.

Don't forget that major B.S. fills in a lot of knowledge gaps to make most politicians look "competent". It's usually a question of whether you want a consummate B.S. artist and pleaser, or a statesman who is humble enough to look beyond himself for advisement on the major issues.

[Guest]

"Incompetent" is a relative term. All presidential contenders and winners have been "incompetent" in some way or another, because they are human beings, not God.

Many said Reagan and Clinton--two favorites in recent decades--were "incompetent" too, but I don't think they were in the overall picture.

Thinking people look at the whole picture that includes not only a technician's skill in a couple of key subjects such as economy or foreign policy, but also

- character,
- personal integrity;
- diplomacy;
- trustworthiness;
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles;
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals.

Personally, I don't know how anyone can say that Romney, Gingrich, Perry or Cain (even with his latest speechlessness on Libya) are "incompetent". They have proven experience that clearly states the contrary. They are accomplished people who have personal weakness in knowledge, as anyone would.

Don't forget that major B.S. fills in a lot of knowledge gaps to make most politicians look "competent". It's usually a question of whether you want a consummate B.S. artist and pleaser, or a statesman who is humble enough to look beyond himself for advisement on the major issues.

ilovetv: Well stated. People also forget that leader at all levels and indifferent occupations can succeed in their professional pursuits but fail in their private lives. That is why a Clinton was o popular a president in spite of his personal indescritions . Voters need to focus on how their candidate will perform in the political arena

[Guest]

A perfect description of our Commander-In-Chief.

[Guest]

A perfect description of our Commander-In-Chief.

coralway: And your saying that with a straight face. Geeeez.. God bless your heart. I'll bet your really good at poker.

[Guest]

A perfect description of our Commander-In-Chief.

Yea, that was a reasonable description in 1987.

[Guest]

A perfect description of our Commander-In-Chief.

No, only this part describes him:

"Don't forget that major B.S. fills in a lot of knowledge gaps to make most politicians look "competent". It's usually a question of whether you want a consummate B.S. artist and pleaser"

[Guest]

- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK

[Guest]

- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl:

[Guest]

- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl:

Coralway, you're making a lot of people laugh today. You should be on the stage. (One is leaving in ten minutes.....ba da dum)

[Guest]

Coralway, you're making a lot of people laugh today. You should be on the stage. (One is leaving in ten minutes.....ba da dum)



So, you've seen the pizza guy's interview on Libya too, hu?

That was absolutely the funniest dad--dummit thing since .... well .... the Wasilla Quitta told us she can see russia from her veranda.

No - no - no - since The Quitta told us North Korea is one of our allies......

Can't make this stuff up

[Guest]

That is only your OPINION. Look at 2008 and the dems had to choose from a few incompetents, namely Hillary and Mr. TelePrompter, John, fake war hero, Kerry.

Hilary is incompetent, but Bush was not? Come on...are you for real?

[Guest]

"Incompetent" is a relative term. All presidential contenders and winners have been "incompetent" in some way or another, because they are human beings, not God.

Many said Reagan and Clinton--two favorites in recent decades--were "incompetent" too, but I don't think they were in the overall picture.

Thinking people look at the whole picture that includes not only a technician's skill in a couple of key subjects such as economy or foreign policy, but also

- character,
- personal integrity;
- diplomacy;
- trustworthiness;
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles;
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals.

Personally, I don't know how anyone can say that Romney, Gingrich, Perry or Cain (even with his latest speechlessness on Libya) are "incompetent". They have proven experience that clearly states the contrary. They are accomplished people who have personal weakness in knowledge, as anyone would.

Don't forget that major B.S. fills in a lot of knowledge gaps to make most politicians look "competent". It's usually a question of whether you want a consummate B.S. artist and pleaser, or a statesman who is humble enough to look beyond himself for advisement on the major issues.

Newtie does not have character, personal intergrity or trustworthiness.

[Guest]

BUT, Neuter does possess tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles.

As he is a serial adulterer, we already are familiar with his foundational truths and core principles.

[Guest]

QUOTE]Originally Posted by coralway
- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK [/QUOTE]

First of all........:1rotfl:barf:

Character....Rev. Wright .... Van Jones .... anybody in Chicago that helped him!
Personal integrity....Solindra....Fast & furious for starters.

Diplomacy.....Open mic. Obama: You’re fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day!

Trustworthiness..... Gitmo .... Bait & switch on healthcare funds and how it will be paid for (not)!

Tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; ......Boy has he ever. He has stayed a leftist,marxsist,idealoge from beginning to end.

Statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals. ..... Once again I must say ........:1rotfl:barf:

[Guest]

Hilary is incompetent, but Bush was not? Come on...are you for real?

If Hilary was not married to Bill Clinton, nobody would know her. She is a nothing. Talk about marrying into celebrity. Without Bubba she would be just another common housewife.

[Guest]

BUT, Neuter does possess tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles.

As he is a serial adulterer, we already are familiar with his foundational truths and core principles.

Sounds like your describing Kennedy, Edwards, Barney Frank,Bill Clinton,JFK, etc. etc.

[Guest]

If Hilary was not married to Bill Clinton, nobody would know her. She is a nothing. Talk about marrying into celebrity. Without Bubba she would be just another common housewife.

Tells a lot about your opinion of women in general. :doh:

[Guest]

Tells a lot about your opinion of women in general. :doh:

You know nothing, per usual. My opinion was of Hilary only.

[Guest]

So, you've seen the pizza guy's interview on Libya too, hu?

That was absolutely the funniest dad--dummit thing since .... well .... the Wasilla Quitta told us she can see russia from her veranda.

No - no - no - since The Quitta told us North Korea is one of our allies......

Can't make this stuff up

This is such nonsense. "Cain paused 11 seconds before he answered!!!" OMG, did a timer go off? Did he only have 10 seconds to answer?

Oh, and the question on "collective bargaining"; CAIN WAS RIGHT!!!; and the REPORTERS FOR THE MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL WERE WRONG!!! They admit this later when nobody's paying attention anymore.

But we'll keep showing the video of Cain getting his thoughts together because we have to destroy this conservative black man before he has a chance to run against our savior.

Liberals are disgusting, sometimes.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2807990/posts


YOU WANT TO SEE INCOMPETENCE?? Here's Barack Hussein Obama STUMBLING FOR 38 SECONDS!!! 38 SECONDS OF COMPLETE GIBBERISH!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc6wQMVHhic

[Guest]

If Hilary was not married to Bill Clinton, nobody would know her. She is a nothing. Talk about marrying into celebrity. Without Bubba she would be just another common housewife.

Just like all those other Harvard lawyers......just a common housewife. I sure hope you don't have daughters.

[Guest]

Just like all those other Harvard lawyers......just a common housewife. I sure hope you don't have daughters.

I sure hope you don't have sons.

[Guest]

Just like all those other Harvard lawyers......just a common housewife. I sure hope you don't have daughters.

I hope she has daughters and they do not turn out like Hillary.
How could you wish someone not to have a daughter or son.
I guess we should all send our sons and daughters to you because you would teach them everything they need to be a good leftist. No thanks!

By the way did you know anything about Hillary before Bubba was president other than maybe she was named after Sir Hillary?

[Guest]

QUOTE]Originally Posted by coralway
- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK

First of all........:1rotfl:barf:

Character....Rev. Wright .... Van Jones .... anybody in Chicago that helped him!
Personal integrity....Solindra....Fast & furious for starters.

Diplomacy.....Open mic.

Trustworthiness..... Gitmo .... Bait & switch on healthcare funds and how it will be paid for (not)!

Tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; ......Boy has he ever. He has stayed a leftist,marxsist,idealoge from beginning to end.

Statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals. ..... Once again I must say ........:1rotfl:barf:

I guess you hit a nerve since your destruction of coralway's fawning fantasies about BHO were ignored. Good going.

[Guest]

I guess you hit a nerve since your destruction of coralway's fawning fantasies about BHO were ignored. Good going

Sometimes being faced with the facts will do that.

[Guest]

I hope she has daughters and they do not turn out like Hillary.
How could you wish someone not to have a daughter or son.
I guess we should all send our sons and daughters to you because you would teach them everything they need to be a good leftist. No thanks!

By the way did you know anything about Hillary before Bubba was president other than maybe she was named after Sir Hillary?

Why yes I did...she was on the cover of Life Magazine while still a college student in 1974 and she worked on the Nixon watergate investigation.

You are obviously just looking for ways to vent your conservative point of view. All I said was that someone who thinks a Yale educated lawyer would be just another housewife without her husband is kind of a out of touch with the realities of the 21rst century. And I certainly do not want your sons and daughters.....keep them, PLEASE!!!!!

[Guest]

Why yes I did...she was on the cover of Life Magazine while still a college student in 1974 and she worked on the Nixon watergate investigation.

You are obviously just looking for ways to vent your conservative point of view. All I said was that someone who thinks a Yale educated lawyer would be just another housewife without her husband is kind of a out of touch with the realities of the 21rst century. And I certainly do not want your sons and daughters.....keep them, PLEASE!!!!!

Man, there sure is alot of animosity spewed around here.You would think that people's children would be exempt from the hatred around here.

[Guest]

Why yes I did...she was on the cover of Life Magazine while still a college student in 1974 and she worked on the Nixon watergate investigation.

You are obviously just looking for ways to vent your conservative point of view. All I said was that someone who thinks a Yale educated lawyer would be just another housewife without her husband is kind of a out of touch with the realities of the 21rst century.......

It seems to me that Hillary (and most of us) would not be the strong and disciplined person she is without her "just a housewife" mom, Dorothy:

"Hillary Diane Rodham was born Oct. 26, 1947, in Chicago. Her father, Hugh Ellsworth Rodham, owned a textile business and her mother Dorothy Emma Howell, was a homemaker....."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WhoIs/story?id=3963326&page=1#.TsPymmBHBMo

[Guest]

You are obviously just looking for ways to vent your conservative point of view. All I said was that someone who thinks a Yale educated lawyer would be just another housewife without her husband

When I say what I say on here I don't consider it venting, I consider it educating for some.
And 2nd, seems like a long time from 74 to when Bill was pres. before we heard of her again. By the way I don't think that women get their strength from their husbands so we actually believe the same here. I think it bothers you more that I am conservative than what I might believe about women.
Do you think you vent on here?
And thank you I WILL keep my daughter. I don't believe you two would get on well. She respects me and my beliefs and she believes what she wants and I respect that. (not always the same)

[Guest]

-for the better part of her entire adult life. Having met and worked for her
offices with regard to the safety and health of children and families in this Country, I would say YOUR daughter is the better for this Secretary of State's life's work and intention...in all areas of her political life.

And, I recognize the Political Forum on TOTV is a place where blustery repubs hold court daily on the way things were, are, or or are supposed to be, however, when you have it wrong, you have it wrong, bigtime. Perhaps you need to review of literature on the work of Hillary Clinton before you blast off into areas you apparently know very little about. I believe even some of your constituents here would agree to that. Why not find some other woman to plunder?

[Guest]

When I say what I say on here I don't consider it venting, I consider it educating for some.
And 2nd, seems like a long time from 74 to when Bill was pres. before we heard of her again. By the way I don't think that women get their strength from their husbands so we actually believe the same here. I think it bothers you more that I am conservative than what I might believe about women.
Do you think you vent on here?
And thank you I WILL keep my daughter. I don't believe you two would get on well. She respects me and my beliefs and she believes what she wants and I respect that. (not always the same)

Does not bother me at all that you are conservative. I don't care what you or anyone else is unless they make such ridiculous statements like the one you made about women. Hiliary worked for years as an advocate for children and I was aware of her through all those years as well.

Venting? Well I know I will never change your mind about a darn thing and I know you will never change mine...so you are never really addressing me anyway; you are fanning your own beliefs because you KNOW those of your ilk will agree with you. I never think I will change anyone's beliefs, so their response to what I say is predictable and does not bother me in the least. I would love an original response....but they never come.

[Guest]

-for the better part of her entire adult life. Having met and worked for her
offices with regard to the safety and health of children and families in this Country, I would say YOUR daughter is the better for this Secretary of State's life's work and intention...in all areas of her political life.

And, I recognize the Political Forum on TOTV is a place where blustery repubs hold court daily on the way things were, are, or or are supposed to be, however, when you have it wrong, you have it wrong, bigtime. Perhaps you need to review of literature on the work of Hillary Clinton before you blast off into areas you apparently know very little about. I believe even some of your constituents here would agree to that. Why not find some other woman to plunder?

You said this all much better than I did..thanks for being so clear and eloquent.

[Guest]

Perhaps you need to review of literature on the work of Hillary Clinton before you blast off into areas you apparently know very little about.

I think you have the wrong person in your sights. I said nothing about Hillary being good, bad or indifferent. I wish she was president rather than Obama. I do think it is wrong to believe that she would be where she is without SOME help from her husband. You know, he was president. That has got to help. I had never heard of her before he ran for president. That is probably because I was not running in the same circles you must have.

My response was more about wishing someone had or did not have daughters. I thought that that was out of bounds!
I don't know much about Hillary because I don't really care what someone who has such differing opinions than mine and could care less about what I think, is doing.
Your assertion that I may not be as educated as you may be on Hillary may be correct. However if I wanted to "Plunder" her I could find all I need to do so, however I have not.
I will read up though just so I can be on the level with you!

[Guest]

OK, that did not take long. She went to Harvard and Yale.
(sounds like a 1%'er to me)

Became a lawyer. Practiced law, in other words did her job.
Was a young rebublican and then something happened because she worked to try and elect Goldwater, Mondale and was sucsessful with Carter, if you want to call that a sucsess. So she worked on many campaigns as have many americans that I don't know their story either.

Married Bill, Bill became Gov. and she began to sit on many boards, I wonder if Bill being Gov. had anything to do with that. I have no evidence, just wondering.

Rose Law firm, White Water, Can't recall Hmmm......can't recall.
Bill president, Hillary on healthcare committee ( behind closed doors), ran for president herself and did not get the nomination and was appointed to her position by the person who beat her out.

To date I think she has been a average Secretary of State but not bad.
In my estimation has shown to be pretty smart not to run for president again.

Oh! and does not like to stay home and bake cookies. Oh, and forgives adultery, so I guess that works out for Newt!

Did I miss anything that matters?

Looks to me like politics and politicians have been good for her career.

Now I believe I know some of what I talk about.
But that is not what I was talking about in my previous posts.

[Guest]

So, you females are telling me that Hilary would have become famous and become Secretary of State if she did not marry Bubba Clinton and become first Lady? Yea right,And I have some swamp land to sell you. GEEZ!!!! : )

From many sources from the secret service and military, Hilary Clinton is arrogant and despises the military. She is a despicable and hateful woman who hooked onto Bubba even though he embarrassed her at every chance he could be his infidelities. She knew she was a nothing and going nowhere so she rode Bubba's coattails to the White House. She would have been respected if she divorced Billy Boy and made it on her own, which nobody thinks she could have.Nuff said.

[Guest]

Loveithere,
I think the bio. that I read about her backs up your assumtion, even though that is not what they intended.
To be fair we all get help somewhere from someone.
My problem is that so many people want to label their political leaders as some sort of god or above average american.
I would bet that if we did half what some of these "gods" did we would have 3 squares and about 60 to 100 square feet to live in.

[Guest]

Wow! Did this thread get off the train track. Like many posts here, I guess it's the dueling rants that satisfy too many people.

I guess that explains why Larry, Moe and Curly continue to poll more support combined than any one or two of the GOP candidates who really might be qualified to be POTUS and have a chance to beat President Obama.

That kind of explains how our government got to where it is now and why it will be so difficult to change it back to the kind of government we all desire and expect.

[Guest]

that kind of explains how our government got to where it is now and why it will be so difficult to change it back to the kind of government we all desire and expect.

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[Guest]

Wow! Did this thread get off the train track. Like many posts here, I guess it's the dueling rants that satisfy too many people.

I guess that explains why Larry, Moe and Curly continue to poll more support combined than any one or two of the GOP candidates who really might be qualified to be POTUS and have a chance to beat President Obama.

That kind of explains how our government got to where it is now and why it will be so difficult to change it back to the kind of government we all desire and expect.

VG spot on Geeez

[Guest]

some of us have worked with Harry, Moe and Curly, married them, slept with them, coddled them, had their children, and exceeded them in this world with solid brainpower and guts. Moreso, those of us who survived them, and fella's like you, know it! We know they and you are alive and well here in TV and are heralded and hallowed by you...even those of you who change your screen name.

Behold, the world of woman as bright, capable, in touch, and makers of change, for it is lo upon us....ha ha ha and there is not a thing you can do no matter how much your tiny minds and little you know what's spew venom here. Lady Doc and I are both doc's apparently. And, if her life was some-thing like mine, I imagine there was a struggle everyday against dullards like you who often tried to get in the way of deeds well done and the long way to go.

You opine vague justice, your own sense of socio-economic policy,
and the tiny world of partisanship in which you live. This is your only soap box and you take it seriously. No room is left for thmajority who are morecalm and moderate with regard to the world and world
justice, for the many who may still believe in "hope" and "change". Anyone who has to look up (probably on Wikepedia) Hillary Clinton,
needs to find either a wet nurse, or another planet on which to take up space. Why I even lower myself to respond in this forum is entirely insane
to me, bahhaa, bahhaa, bahhaa, damn you got my goat this time.

[Guest]

some of us have worked with Harry, Moe and Curly, married them, slept with them, coddled them, had their children, and exceeded them in this world with solid brainpower and guts. Moreso, those of us who survived them, and fella's like you, know it! We know they and you are alive and well here in TV and are heralded and hallowed by you...even those of you who change your screen name.

Behold, the world of woman as bright, capable, in touch, and makers of change, for it is lo upon us....ha ha ha and there is not a thing you can do no matter how much your tiny minds and little you know what's spew venom here. Lady Doc and I are both doc's apparently. And, if her life was some-thing like mine, I imagine there was a struggle everyday against dullards like you who often tried to get in the way of deeds well done and the long way to go.

You opine vague justice, your own sense of socio-economic policy,
and the tiny world of partisanship in which you live. This is your only soap box and you take it seriously. No room is left for thmajority who are morecalm and moderate with regard to the world and world
justice, for the many who may still believe in "hope" and "change". Anyone who has to look up (probably on Wikepedia) Hillary Clinton,
needs to find either a wet nurse, or another planet on which to take up space. Why I even lower myself to respond in this forum is entirely insane
to me, bahhaa, bahhaa, bahhaa, damn you got my goat this time.
Now there is a rant that makes alot of sense.:a20:

[Guest]

Really? T'aint a rant, it's truth.

[Guest]

Really? T'aint a rant, it's truth.

Well, what would I know, I'm a dullard.:jester:

By the way I like the way you stereotype people.

[Guest]

Wow! you don't take conversation very well Doodlegirl.
I am assuming you are pointing to me. My world is much larger than this forum. I just enjoying learning what others think.
I am not sure why you would think that I think so lowly of women. I am married to one, same one for 39 years, that shares my office and runs our business. I think you have misplaced your obvious dislike for conservatives, men and me!
You are the one that suggested I do research on Hillary. I did and since I do not have a leftist library at my finger tips I went to her personal biography site and a few others and read what I could, I can read believe it or not.
I then reported what I found.
Nice women I suppose, if you are with her, maybe not so much if you are not.

You opine vague justice, your own sense of socio-economic policy,
and the tiny world of partisanship in which you live. This is your only soap box and you take it seriously. No room is left for thmajority who are morecalm and moderate with regard to the world and world
justice, for the many who may still believe in "hope" and "change". Anyone who has to look up (probably on Wikepedia) Hillary Clinton,


Anyone who has to look up (probably on Wikepedia) Hillary Clinton,
needs to find either a wet nurse, or another planet on which to take up space. Why I even lower myself to respond in this forum is entirely insane
to me, bahhaa, bahhaa, bahhaa, damn you got my goat this time.
By the way is this you being the "majority who are more calm".
I think it is you who has taken this way too seriously.

[Guest]

It is called a generalization, not a stereotype. However, yes, it was specific to you and yours on the political forum. Don't get antsy with me or you will be very sorry...in public. And yes, that is a verbal threat for someone who has not only changed a screen name here recently, but who continues to add to the drama when our Country is at a pivotal point in it's history. If you can't help, don't hurt.

Likewise, I think you and your cohorts should at the very least revert to
calling people by their title....President Obama...President Bush...and so forth,
your familiarity in terms of the calling of names is outrageous. This is MY Country, and my allegiances you are tredding upon. Like it or leave it.

[Guest]

I must congratulate your wife for sharing your office and your business. If
it is a success, be sure to give her a hug on your way to vote.

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some of us have worked with Harry, Moe and Curly, married them, slept with them, coddled them, had their children, and exceeded them in this world with solid brainpower and guts. Moreso, those of us who survived them, and fella's like you, know it! We know they and you are alive and well here in TV and are heralded and hallowed by you...even those of you who change your screen name.

Behold, the world of woman as bright, capable, in touch, and makers of change, for it is lo upon us....ha ha ha and there is not a thing you can do no matter how much your tiny minds and little you know what's spew venom here. Lady Doc and I are both doc's apparently. And, if her life was some-thing like mine, I imagine there was a struggle everyday against dullards like you who often tried to get in the way of deeds well done and the long way to go.

You opine vague justice, your own sense of socio-economic policy,
and the tiny world of partisanship in which you live. This is your only soap box and you take it seriously. No room is left for thmajority who are morecalm and moderate with regard to the world and world
justice, for the many who may still believe in "hope" and "change". Anyone who has to look up (probably on Wikepedia) Hillary Clinton,
needs to find either a wet nurse, or another planet on which to take up space. Why I even lower myself to respond in this forum is entirely insane
to me, bahhaa, bahhaa, bahhaa, damn you got my goat this time.

I like your style. You may be a "doodle girl," but you doodle with an acid pen. I admire that.

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It is called a generalization, not a stereotype. However, yes, it was specific to you and yours on the political forum. Don't get antsy with me or you will be very sorry...in public. And yes, that is a verbal threat for someone who has not only changed a screen name here recently, but who continues to add to the drama when our Country is at a pivotal point in it's history. If you can't help, don't hurt.

Likewise, I think you and your cohorts should at the very least revert to
calling people by their title....President Obama...President Bush...and so forth,
your familiarity in terms of the calling of names is outrageous. This is MY Country, and my allegiances you are tredding upon. Like it or leave it.

Wow, you want to threaten me in public. I suggest you calm down or at least take a pill. : )

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It is called a generalization, not a stereotype. However, yes, it was specific to you and yours on the political forum. Don't get antsy with me or you will be very sorry...in public. And yes, that is a verbal threat for someone who has not only changed a screen name here recently, but who continues to add to the drama when our Country is at a pivotal point in it's history. If you can't help, don't hurt.

Likewise, I think you and your cohorts should at the very least revert to
calling people by their title....President Obama...President Bush...and so forth,
your familiarity in terms of the calling of names is outrageous. This is MY Country, and my allegiances you are tredding upon. Like it or leave it.

That is the problem with your ilk, you think it is your country. It is our country and I am giving this president the same amount of courtesy your cohorts gave to Bush for 8 years.

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It is no more a political forum than I am an alien. It should be called the
Repub's place! I sense as we grow into our 'golden years' we are doing so
kicking and screaming even after the supreme court allowed us to vote. Just
Sayin.This is like lopsided justice...and people are afraid to step up to the few posters here who spend their days bashing the current administration.
Maybe I did land at Woodstock, and some of that mud is still in my Croc's.

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It is my Ilk who voted for President Obama, my ilk who are saddened by the
burden he inherited, and confused about people who can be so hateful at a first administration President, a black man with graying hair who has more Secret Service coverage than any other President in our history. Give me a break, do you suppose you could do better? If so, get thee to Iowa. When some crazed person with your mentality puts a gun to the President's
temple, will you be happy then? It is your rhetoric that causes the angst
and pain in this Country. I told you not to go at it in public. I've been there and I'm a victor, more than you will ever, ever know.

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I must congratulate your wife for sharing your office and your business. If
it is a success, be sure to give her a hug on your way to vote.
Reply With Quote

It is and I do everyday with love.

Doodlegirl, you really need to calm down. The whole world is not against you. It is just hard to discuss things with someone who is so mad and sure that her way IS THE ONLY WAY.
Maybe a little room for GIVE on your side too!

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It is no more a political forum than I am an alien. It should be called the
Repub's place! I sense as we grow into our 'golden years' we are doing so
kicking and screaming even after the supreme court allowed us to vote. Just
Sayin.This is like lopsided justice...and people are afraid to step up to the few posters here who spend their days bashing the current administration.
Maybe I did land at Woodstock, and some of that mud is still in my Croc's.

Don't feel bad. All forums go in cycles. Many forums for 8 years had a field day when Bush was president. Liberals were relentless in their verbal abuse of his administration. Many conservatives were frustrated too. Like I said, it is cycle-able. (is that a word?) I learned to take it and I think the liberals should put their man pants on and not cry about it.

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Suddenly we want to back off the hate and anger you spew here.
You will note that in this forum there are not huge numbers of posters,
rather, recurring posters...an 'old boys (girls) network'. As long as I
have breath I will speak to the ideals of this Country, the hope that
we will survive current and future tribulations, and that as a citizen
I will participate in righting the wrongs. While you are entitled to
your opinions, it appears you don't like it much when someone calls
you on your point/s. Trust me, it takes every strength and fibre of my being
to pass up the "Political" Forum, and today's bigotry just came calling; I had a weak moment. Nothing I will or have said will change your mighty minds. "And that's the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a wimper."

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While you are entitled to
your opinions, it appears you don't like it much when someone calls
you on your point/s.

Did you even make one, let alone challenge one "point" made by Loveithere?

I'd like to know where in this entire thread that happened. I don't see it.

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the union! If I didn't make the point Mr. Lion, then you will never get the point. Am I supposed to kiss the Mussues fanny for working for her hubs?
I mean seriously, read from where I popped in. Make a point? Get
serious...here are people spewing venom, you too, day after day, suddenly
someone says, hold it, everyone goes to Wikepedia to find out about
Hillary Clinton, then there is the call down to me to take a pill...really
Richie, remember the poor Lion who had no heart...but he learned.
I only stand to serve, my friend. I one of the constant reminders of a
democracy.

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Wow! Did this thread get off the train track. Like many posts here, I guess it's the dueling rants that satisfy too many people.

I guess that explains why Larry, Moe and Curly continue to poll more support combined than any one or two of the GOP candidates who really might be qualified to be POTUS and have a chance to beat President Obama.

That kind of explains how our government got to where it is now and why it will be so difficult to change it back to the kind of government we all desire and expect.

From reviewing the posts, you can see that you haven't missed a thing nor have you overlooked anything. It's the nature of the business. It's nasty, vile, reprehensible, and generally an appalling line of work.

Who, really, in their right mind, would pursue it?

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Suddenly we want to back off the hate and anger you spew here.
You will note that in this forum there are not huge numbers of posters,
rather, recurring posters...an 'old boys (girls) network'. As long as I
have breath I will speak to the ideals of this Country, the hope that
we will survive current and future tribulations, and that as a citizen
I will participate in righting the wrongs. While you are entitled to
your opinions, it appears you don't like it much when someone calls
you on your point/s. Trust me, it takes every strength and fibre of my being
to pass up the "Political" Forum, and today's bigotry just came calling; I had a weak moment. Nothing I will or have said will change your mighty minds. "And that's the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a wimper."

Geez. Get a life!

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It is my Ilk who voted for President Obama, my ilk who are saddened by the
burden he inherited, and confused about people who can be so hateful at a first administration President, a black man with graying hair who has more Secret Service coverage than any other President in our history. Give me a break, do you suppose you could do better? If so, get thee to Iowa. When some crazed person with your mentality puts a gun to the President's
temple, will you be happy then? It is your rhetoric that causes the angst
and pain in this Country. I told you not to go at it in public. I've been there and I'm a victor, more than you will ever, ever know.

This should be shut down. Nobody wants what was posited above.

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the union! If I didn't make the point Mr. Lion, then you will never get the point. Am I supposed to kiss the Mussues fanny for working for her hubs?
I mean seriously, read from where I popped in. Make a point? Get
serious...here are people spewing venom, you too, day after day, suddenly
someone says, hold it, everyone goes to Wikepedia to find out about
Hillary Clinton, then there is the call down to me to take a pill...really
Richie, remember the poor Lion who had no heart...but he learned.
I only stand to serve, my friend. I one of the constant reminders of a
democracy.

You sounds crazed in this post, and I still don't know what you're ranting about. I think it best to leave you alone now.

There's no point to this.

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It is no more a political forum than I am an alien. It should be called the
Repub's place! I sense as we grow into our 'golden years' we are doing so
kicking and screaming even after the supreme court allowed us to vote. Just
Sayin.This is like lopsided justice...and people are afraid to step up to the few posters here who spend their days bashing the current administration.
Maybe I did land at Woodstock, and some of that mud is still in my Croc's.

You're welcome for the voice of support, Doodlegirl. I don't care where you landed or what you have in your Croc's (can't believe I said that!). I'm all for ya.

But that doesn't mean I'm gonna beat up on the other guy. We need to listen to the words; don't listen to the emotion. What are they saying? And it can be tough, 'cause sometimes they're not saying a lot. But it is worth the effort. What are they really saying?

There are 16 --yes, friends, 16 loyal Americans who, for whatever reason, think they should replace the current President of these United States.

I, frankly, am dubious. But I could be, might be, probably am, wrong. But I have to look carefully and weigh the criteria with great deliberation.

Cheers to all.

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I have to laugh when some post about this forum being one sided...repubs inferred.
I just wish some of the dispensers of critical ve4rbiage about their opposition were around during 2007/2008....when Obama and others were vying for the nomination. Your counterparts in the opposition would be crying about how lopsided the posting was. And they might even have noted how nasty it got when ANYBODY challenged ANYTHING about the dem candidates.

Then after the election they all disappeared....some no doubt because they are disappointed by what the created in Washington. Others because they are realists knowing they could no longer defend the man they voted for as the talk continued to be further and further away from the walk.....

and there are many new members as well as the reincarnated (those from the past with a new identity so they could come back and rail some more. And there are some of us who said we would give Obama the first year before making a final opinion on him. I gave him until his first state of the nation. In my eyes he failed to deliver on his promises...then and he still has not.

The opposition philosophy has not changed hardly at all. Never stay on point or subject. Always, always bash anybody who challenges their man...and always without fail get in a Bushslap.

See if the archives go back that far and you will see for yourself.

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It is my Ilk who voted for President Obama, my ilk who are saddened by the
burden he inherited, and confused about people who can be so hateful at a first administration President, a black man with graying hair who has more Secret Service coverage than any other President in our history. Give me a break, do you suppose you could do better? If so, get thee to Iowa. When some crazed person with your mentality puts a gun to the President's
temple, will you be happy then? It is your rhetoric that causes the angst
and pain in this Country. I told you not to go at it in public. I've been there and I'm a victor, more than you will ever, ever know.

Your out of control and I think you should be on the ignore list. Despicable.

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At first I thought you meant the 16 posters here...took me awhile. Yes, I too
am searching the potential candidates and ticking off those with the brain and brawn to maintain steam along a raggedy track. What is sad is that there is still time to see if what has been implemented can take hold. It feels
remote, but still possible. I don't think any of us recognized the damage
done in the previous administrations would throw this President under the bus
quite as quickly as it did.

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So, you females are telling me that Hilary would have become famous and become Secretary of State if she did not marry Bubba Clinton and become first Lady? Yea right,And I have some swamp land to sell you. GEEZ!!!! : )

From many sources from the secret service and military, Hilary Clinton is arrogant and despises the military. She is a despicable and hateful woman who hooked onto Bubba even though he embarrassed her at every chance he could be his infidelities. She knew she was a nothing and going nowhere so she rode Bubba's coattails to the White House. She would have been respected if she divorced Billy Boy and made it on her own, which nobody thinks she could have.Nuff said.

And Laura stuck with the Shrub through his years when he was pickled in alcohol and who knows what else......

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And Laura stuck with the Shrub through his years when he was pickled in alcohol and who knows what else......

Well, Michele aka: The Bitter One, has stuck with the dope addict Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama who has used drugs and maybe continues to use drugs. He openly drinks booze and refuses to quit smoking cigarettes. A drunk for a President, Hmmmm.

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Since the first few responses to the initial query in this thread, it's been rants about recent historical political figures and attacks on one another. Oh, and the occasional vitriol about the President who was fairly elected in the 2008 election. I don't think there's been even one attempted answer to the initial question.

Like someone suggested in another post here, if the American electorate is as bitterly ideologically divided as the handful of posters on this forum, we're going to deserve the government we get as the result, and the life-changing effect their continued polarized inaction will have on us, our kids and grandkids.

With thoughtlessness such as is demonstrated here, it's easy to see why the Congress doesn't work, and why even the super committee, which has such an awesome responsibility, has simply given up and gone home, unable and unwilling to negotiate an agreement on any single issue, even those that they admit they largely agree on. Unbelievable!

But based on how people conduct themselves here, not surprising, I guess.

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Since the first few responses to the initial query in this thread, it's been rants about recent historical political figures and attacks on one another. Oh, and the occasional vitriol about the President who was fairly elected in the 2008 election. I don't think there's been even one attempted answer to the initial question.

Like someone suggested in another post here, if the American electorate is as bitterly ideologically divided as the handful of posters on this forum, we're going to deserve the government we get as the result, and the life-changing effect their continued polarized inaction will have on us, our kids and grandkids.

With thoughtlessness such as is demonstrated here, it's easy to see why the Congress doesn't work, and why even the super committee, which has such an awesome responsibility, has simply given up and gone home, unable and unwilling to negotiate an agreement on any single issue, even those that they admit they largely agree on. Unbelievable!

But based on how people conduct themselves here, not surprising, I guess.

I don't like this "Super Committee" anyway. The people's business being done is secret behind closed doors with no access is creepy and un-American.

That's just my opinion.

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Well, Michele aka: The Bitter One, has stuck with the dope addict Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama who has used drugs and maybe continues to use drugs. He openly drinks booze and refuses to quit smoking cigarettes. A drunk for a President, Hmmmm.

Please advice as to where you got info that obama is a drug addict. Openly drinking booze and being an alcoholic are not the same; you should know that. The drunk for a president was clearly Bush. You are going to fault someone for smoking? Come on now. And just to keep this on the issue of where you are getting this info, I am not and have never been an obama supporter. That is not an issue for me. I just want to know where you got your info. If you can not respond with where, I will conclude that what you posted is a lie.

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Please advice as to where you got info that obama is a drug addict. Openly drinking booze and being an alcoholic are not the same; you should know that. The drunk for a president was clearly Bush. You are going to fault someone for smoking? Come on now. And just to keep this on the issue of where you are getting this info, I am not and have never been an obama supporter. That is not an issue for me. I just want to know where you got your info. If you can not respond with where, I will conclude that what you posted is a lie.

Bush quit drinking many, many years ago. Obama still drinks and smokes. In his book Obama admits he was addicted to drugs. It stands to reason that if you call Bush a drunk when he quit years ago, then Obama is a drug addict too.

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directly from the planet Galactica, by way of the Wizard of Oz.:confused:

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directly from the planet Galactica, by way of the Wizard of Oz.:confused:

Yea, but it wasn't easy, I had to contend with the wicked Doodlewitch. : )

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I see everyone has rested up and are back at it again.
After letting it rest last evening I re-read the whole thread and what is very apparent is that even though this right leaning forum (of which I am one) has very set in stone opinions, It has been the left sounding or leaning posters that just can't help but throw flames, call names and threaten people.
To me this just poisons the koolaide, which ever kind you drink, and makes it impossible to discuss anything.
It is a shame that when someone can't make a point the next step is hate and vitriol.
How about expanding on your point with out ending the sentence with so sort of derogatory statement or name calling. You don't know but it may give someone something to think about! And may even give you something to think about.
And before I am attacked for painting with a broad brush, it comes from both side but usually as a response to an attack not a first volley.

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I don't like this "Super Committee" anyway. The people's business being done is secret behind closed doors with no access is creepy and un-American.

That's just my opinion.I don't either, Richie. But the only reason it was formed was because the elected representatives in the House and Senate couldn't reach any kind of agreement on fiscal problems. So they appointed a "super committee" of only 12 members, representing the entire 535 to hammer out some answers that the larger group failed at.

So now it appears that even the super committee is going to fail to agree on anything. That's going to result in some automatic spending cuts to kick in, with no thought or concern as to the effect or what's going to be cut. I guess that way none of the 535 will have to take responsibility for whatever cuts occur.

But let me predict one other thing that I expect from the 535. Within a short time, they'll introduce legislation to overturn the automatic cuts that resulted from their failure. And we'lll be back where we started, borrowing 42 cents of every dollar qe spoend from the Chinese!.

In the meantime, our Congress has decided, with the "assistance" of the frozen pizza and potato grower lobbies, that tomato paste is a vegetable and french fries are healthy. So our school kids can continue to survive on pizza and french fries for school lunches. Does it take a degree in home economics to know that this legislation is simply ridiculous...and unhealthy!

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I don't either, Richie. But the only reason it was formed was because the elected representatives in the House and Senate couldn't reach any kind of agreement on fiscal problems. So they appointed a "super committee" of only 12 members, representing the entire 535 to hammer out some answers that the larger group failed at.....

In the meantime, our Congress has decided, with the "assistance" of the frozen pizza and potato grower lobbies, that tomato paste is a vegetable and french fries are healthy. So our school kids can continue to survive on pizza and french fries for school lunches. Does it take a degree in home economics to know that this legislation is simply ridiculous...and unhealthy!

This is a prime example of how congressional politicians insist on micromanaging even the minutest details of citizens' everyday lives....

As if a local school board, or administration that hires the cafeteria managers and cooks are not capable of knowing what foods offered would work/sell best.

State-controlled school lunch programs illustrate the expansive power base the Statists insist on having and keeping.

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I don't either, Richie. But the only reason it was formed was because the elected representatives in the House and Senate couldn't reach any kind of agreement on fiscal problems. So they appointed a "super committee" of only 12 members, representing the entire 535 to hammer out some answers that the larger group failed at.

I understand your discomfort with the secrecy of the "supercommittee," but remember that the entire Constitution was written in secret by participants working under a self-imposed "gag order." And that worked.

So now it appears that even the super committee is going to fail to agree on anything. That's going to result in some automatic spending cuts to kick in, with no thought or concern as to the effect or what's going to be cut. I guess that way none of the 535 will have to take responsibility for whatever cuts occur.

I agree -- I also think the "supercommittee" will fail. But the automatic spending cuts will not take place because Congress has a little over a year to find a way to repeal that provision.

But let me predict one other thing that I expect from the 535. Within a short time, they'll introduce legislation to overturn the automatic cuts that resulted from their failure. And we'lll be back where we started, borrowing 42 cents of every dollar qe spoend from the Chinese!.

Agreed. Work is already underway to that very end.

In the meantime, our Congress has decided, with the "assistance" of the frozen pizza and potato grower lobbies, that tomato paste is a vegetable and french fries are healthy. So our school kids can continue to survive on pizza and french fries for school lunches. Does it take a degree in home economics to know that this legislation is simply ridiculous...and unhealthy!

Sheesh -- ain't it a mess?

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Bush quit drinking many, many years ago. Obama still drinks and smokes. In his book Obama admits he was addicted to drugs. It stands to reason that if you call Bush a drunk when he quit years ago, then Obama is a drug addict too.

The issue was staying with a "drug addicted husband." I was just pointing out that Bush was an alcohol and Laura stayed with him. So why are you making an issue of Michelle staying with Obama?

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I see everyone has rested up and are back at it again.
After letting it rest last evening I re-read the whole thread and what is very apparent is that even though this right leaning forum (of which I am one) has very set in stone opinions, It has been the left sounding or leaning posters that just can't help but throw flames, call names and threaten people.
To me this just poisons the koolaide, which ever kind you drink, and makes it impossible to discuss anything.
It is a shame that when someone can't make a point the next step is hate and vitriol.
How about expanding on your point with out ending the sentence with so sort of derogatory statement or name calling. You don't know but it may give someone something to think about! And may even give you something to think about.
And before I am attacked for painting with a broad brush, it comes from both side but usually as a response to an attack not a first volley.

I try to remain rational, but at times it is difficult because posting anything here is much like running at a windmill. I do accept that NOTHING anyone says that is not towing the conservative rep line will be laughed at, degraded, minimized etc. You guys think liberal is a dirty word. Much of the posting here is clearly done by folks who think they are just so cleaver with their wordplay and that they want the kudos of their peers. Fortunately for me, I do not want or expect any such response to anything I say. I am a little too secure for that kind of thing. What does bother me is the snarkiness of some of the posters here, left or right. Some of these posts were WAY WAY out of line. Here is my big issue...why are you guys so vicious about anything not 100% conservative? Why are you so afraid of a speaker here who does not agree with you 100%? I keep getting called a liberal while I have said many times I support the death penalty, closing the boarder, pro military, etc. You just can't seem to handle anyone who takes things issue by issue. I have never voted a straight party line. How many of you can say that? Prove me wrong....please.

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I only stand to serve, my friend. I one of the constant reminders of a democracy.

This is a gentle reminder:

1. The United States of America is not a DEMOCRACY.

2. The United States of America is a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.

3. Learn the difference.

So if you strongly believe that the United States is a Democracy and you are as educated as you state you are, we are really in big trouble as a country. So you are for majority rule, not the rule of law. Guess that I spent 20 years defending the wrong piece of paper.

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I try to remain rational, but at times it is difficult because posting anything here is much like running at a windmill. I do accept that NOTHING anyone says that is not towing the conservative rep line will be laughed at, degraded, minimized etc. You guys think liberal is a dirty word. Much of the posting here is clearly done by folks who think they are just so cleaver with their wordplay and that they want the kudos of their peers. Fortunately for me, I do not want or expect any such response to anything I say. I am a little too secure for that kind of thing. What does bother me is the snarkiness of some of the posters here, left or right. Some of these posts were WAY WAY out of line. Here is my big issue...why are you guys so vicious about anything not 100% conservative? Why are you so afraid of a speaker here who does not agree with you 100%? I keep getting called a liberal while I have said many times I support the death penalty, closing the boarder, pro military, etc. You just can't seem to handle anyone who takes things issue by issue. I have never voted a straight party line. How many of you can say that? Prove me wrong....please.

I like rational; but politics is mostly psychological, and that makes it personal. And when it gets personal, it gets,...well, personal. People don't like their beliefs questioned and they get defensive when their beliefs are questioned. It brings out the worst in people. Health care debate and debt limit debates are pretty good examples of what can happen. And that goes both ways: liberal or conservative, right or left.

That seems to me what has happened here and things got out of control. Just my humble opinion.

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I have been married to the same woman for 49 years and we have been together for 55. Does that count or something in this thread? I threw that out because I got lost concerning the conversation after page 3 or so????:loco:

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I like rational; but politics is mostly psychological, and that makes it personal. And when it gets personal, it gets,...well, personal. People don't like their beliefs questioned and they get defensive when their beliefs are questioned. It brings out the worst in people. Health care debate and debt limit debates are pretty good examples of what can happen. And that goes both ways: liberal or conservative, right or left.

That seems to me what has happened here and things got out of control. Just my humble opinion.

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I think you stated this very well...thank you.

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I think you stated this very well...thank you.

You're very welcome. And thank you for the compliment.

See what a little civility can do?

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I have been married to the same woman for 49 years and we have been together for 55. Does that count or something in this thread? I threw that out because I got lost concerning the conversation after page 3 or so????:loco:

That is amazing...congratulations!

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I have been married to the same woman for 49 years and we have been together for 55. Does that count or something in this thread? I threw that out because I got lost concerning the conversation after page 3 or so????:loco:

Sure that accounts for something in this thread. It sounds like your story is one of love, devotion, and loyalty. And that pretty much sums up this thread: a lot of people here with love, devotion, and loyalty for a land they feel is threatened. They just can't agree on what to do about it, so the conversation gets a little animated at times. But, sure, Rubicon, your comment fits right it.

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The issue was staying with a "drug addicted husband." I was just pointing out that Bush was an alcohol and Laura stayed with him. So why are you making an issue of Michelle staying with Obama?

You called Bush a drunk even though he quit decades ago. With your logic, then Obama is a drug addict. You can not see that?

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I like rational; but politics is mostly psychological, and that makes it personal. And when it gets personal, it gets,...well, personal. People don't like their beliefs questioned and they get defensive when their beliefs are questioned. It brings out the worst in people. Health care debate and debt limit debates are pretty good examples of what can happen. And that goes both ways: liberal or conservative, right or left.

That seems to me what has happened here and things got out of control. Just my humble opinion.

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yarnspinner,
I agree with what you say here but this is not personal in politics this was meant to be just personal and that is where I think it went off the rail.
Do you think that this kind of direct attack is OK?
This was not "beliefs" being questioned!

You opine vague justice, your own sense of socio-economic policy,
and the tiny world of partisanship in which you live. This is your only soap box and you take it seriously. No room is left for thmajority who are morecalm and moderate with regard to the world and world
justice, for the many who may still believe in "hope" and "change". Anyone who has to look up (probably on Wikepedia) Hillary Clinton,
needs to find either a wet nurse, or another planet on which to take up space. Why I even lower myself to respond in this forum is entirely insane
to me, bahhaa, bahhaa, bahhaa, damn you got my goat this time.


Not me.

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yarnspinner,
I agree with what you say here but this is not personal in politics this was meant to be just personal and that is where I think it went off the rail.
Do you think that this kind of direct attack is OK?


I don't think any personal attack is ok -- direct or indirect. Nor do I see "personal in politics" being any different than personal in,... well, hygiene, or attire, or any other thing that is personal. Personal is personal.

But, I'm just a simple country kid from Kentucky...what do I know?

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The reality of this world is difference. Likeness and difference. When I don't like the way you say something, the way you betray something, the way
you think about something, I tell YOU. And, you get nervous and norvous.
What is fortunate for all of us is we ultimately find ourselves in the voting
booth. Alone. There we take the aggragate of our feelings, knowledge, and attitude, and we make a choice. I don't need you to "educate" me, I'm quite
happy with the 30 years I spent in schoo and my long and astonishing career thereafter;, what I need you to do is look outward, toward other people, other people's feelings and attitudes. Therein is the openess of government that our forefathers hoped would live and langusish here. The more blunt and argumentative you become, the angrier you make the outside world.

If you would spend more time inner directed than outer directed, our world would be a better place. Just because we can talk without being in the same room or neighborhood, doesn't mean we cannot speak with our own
confidence and belief without fear of being taken to the hanging tree. I do
appreciate your right, and the right of the right leaning posters here to spread your feelings, but I also ask you to take responsibility for that which
you may say which is in terrible disharmony with democratic, social, and
emotional ideals and the well being of many, including our Country. While
an Independent, I tend to lean more to the left after a lifetime of trying to
"fix" things. The bottom line is you hurt my feelings, hurt my education, hurt
my substantial change on several systems which effect children and families.

I, too, have my feelings, have a right to those, and feel hollow when the opposition, so to speak, languishes in the menu du jour. Several posters here have tried to ask you to do so, however, it seems an impossibility. Until you have been in the halls of Congress, been in conference with the multi dimensional White House, dealt with both the Democratic and Republican
junta of the last 30 years, then I don't think you educate, rather you
theocrat. You become, as has been said, T.C. Mits. The Common Man In the Streets. I have worked too hard in my career to be in those shoes.
My brain is solidly in it's boney cabvity sitting on tall shoulders of change that make all of our lives better by work, not by talk.

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Doodlegirl,
I wish you would show me where I did any of what to say.
I know that you believe that you are so much smarter and educated than me, that I am a waste of your time and oxygen. However with your way of thinking, how will we ever have a conversation that does not start with me being stupid and you being so much smarter.
I don't even know what your beef with me is. My problem on this thread was someone saying they hoped that someone did not have daughters and somehow it ended up me stupid, you smart.
I never addressed you directly other than responding to your post.
Sad that you can just write someone you don't really know off as just so much dead meat!

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The reality of this world is difference. Likeness and difference. When I don't like the way you say something, the way you betray something, the way
you think about something, I tell YOU. And, you get nervous and norvous.
What is fortunate for all of us is we ultimately find ourselves in the voting
booth. Alone. There we take the aggragate of our feelings, knowledge, and attitude, and we make a choice. I don't need you to "educate" me, I'm quite
happy with the 30 years I spent in schoo and my long and astonishing career thereafter;, what I need you to do is look outward, toward other people, other people's feelings and attitudes. Therein is the openess of government that our forefathers hoped would live and langusish here. The more blunt and argumentative you become, the angrier you make the outside world.

If you would spend more time inner directed than outer directed, our world would be a better place. Just because we can talk without being in the same room or neighborhood, doesn't mean we cannot speak with our own
confidence and belief without fear of being taken to the hanging tree. I do
appreciate your right, and the right of the right leaning posters here to spread your feelings, but I also ask you to take responsibility for that which
you may say which is in terrible disharmony with democratic, social, and
emotional ideals and the well being of many, including our Country. While
an Independent, I tend to lean more to the left after a lifetime of trying to
"fix" things. The bottom line is you hurt my feelings, hurt my education, hurt
my substantial change on several systems which effect children and families.

I, too, have my feelings, have a right to those, and feel hollow when the opposition, so to speak, languishes in the menu du jour. Several posters here have tried to ask you to do so, however, it seems an impossibility. Until you have been in the halls of Congress, been in conference with the multi dimensional White House, dealt with both the Democratic and Republican
junta of the last 30 years, then I don't think you educate, rather you
theocrat. You become, as has been said, T.C. Mits. The Common Man In the Streets. I have worked too hard in my career to be in those shoes.
My brain is solidly in it's boney cabvity sitting on tall shoulders of change that make all of our lives better by work, not by talk.

Looks like a copy and paste post to me.

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I was watching TV this evening and it came to me in a show that was on. We are , T.C. Mits. The Common Man In the Streets.
They are Sheldon Cooper on Big Bang Theory. Now I understand, it is totally clear to me now!
Peace Out!

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"Until you have been in the halls of Congress, been in conference with the multi dimensional White House, dealt with both the Democratic and Republican
junta of the last 30 years, then I don't think you educate, rather you
theocrat. You become, as has been said, T.C. Mits. The Common Man In the Streets. I have worked too hard in my career to be in those shoes.
My brain is solidly in it's boney cabvity sitting on tall shoulders of change that make all of our lives better by work, not by talk."

Huh?

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Read this entire thread tonight to catch up on what the fuss was about...I remember my mother, her sisters, and my grandmothers, all of which were Gentle Giants! They were larger than life and givers of love without limit. They nurtured, disciplined, advised, made wonderful meals and kept simple beautiful homes. They did all this guietly and without an inkling of a need to emasculate the men in their lives or this world. At peace with their truly powerful feminity. I am saddened at the place that women's lib has gotten us. The anger and hatred for men AND the immense amount of arrogance leaping off the postings of the female posters on this thread, is repulsive. Such from the older, wiser, more mature women...WOW! I am embarrassed for my gender. No wonder our society is in the sad condition it is in today.:oops:

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Read this entire thread tonight to catch up on what the fuss was about...I remember my mother, her sisters, and my grandmothers, all of which were Gentle Giants! They were larger than life and givers of love without limit. They nurtured, disciplined, advised, made wonderful meals and kept simple beautiful homes. They did all this guietly and without an inkling of a need to emasculate the men in their lives or this world. At peace with their truly powerful feminity. I am saddened at the place that women's lib has gotten us. The anger and hatred for men AND the immense amount of arrogance leaping off the postings of the female posters on this thread, is repulsive. Such from the older, wiser, more mature women...WOW! I am embarrassed for my gender. No wonder our society is in the sad condition it is in today.:oops:

Very powerful, Katz. That was the most down to earth post I have ever read here. Thank You.

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Obama still drinks and smokes. In his book Obama admits he was addicted to drugs. It stands to reason that if you call Bush a drunk when he quit years ago, then Obama is a drug addict too.

I would hardly call 'having a beer' a problem.

But, as far as Obama's smoking, you're a bit out of date:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/17/us-ex-smoker-obama-quitting-hard-idUSTRE7AG1XZ20111117

He's been an EX-smoker since last year.

Can some of you who seem to hate Obama's every move at least acknowledge THAT?

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I would hardly call 'having a beer' a problem.

But, as far as Obama's smoking, you're a bit out of date:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/17/us-ex-smoker-obama-quitting-hard-idUSTRE7AG1XZ20111117

He's been an EX-smoker since last year.

Can some of you who seem to hate Obama's every move at least acknowledge THAT?

The point I was trying to make is that Bush quit drinking decades ago and is still being called a drunk by the lefties on this forum. To use that logic, Obama is a beer swilling smoker and a dope addict. Get it?

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Can some of you who seem to hate Obama's every move at least acknowledge THAT?

I can do that! Put me down as one. He has not been a good president and anybody that thinks he has is not being honest!

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Hate, no, needs replacing, yes.

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Hate, no, needs replacing, yes.

Exactly. I do not hate him. I hate the terrible job he is doing.

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Exactly. I do not hate him. I hate the terrible job he is doing.

Bingo

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This thread has turned so warm and fuzzy... I think I'll go make myself a hot chocolate...

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This thread has turned so warm and fuzzy... I think I'll go make myself a hot chocolate...

LOL Yea, I think I will go to the driving range.

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LOL Yea, I think I will go to the driving range.

Me too, but that just makes me cuss . . . :loco:

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Me too, but that just makes me cuss . . . :loco:

Bring your laptop, you will fit in here just right.:wave:

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I want to add that when Obama was elected I was not happy but I said that next day on here and to anybody that I talked to about it that he is now my president and I "HOPE" he has some good ideas and does what he said he would do with the economy and Washington.
I was not against him then but he has time and time again shown it was all campaigning and he has turned out to be one of the most partican people I have witnessed as president in my life time.
He turned out to be a very bad president sorta like Bush did in the end (except all the 911 stuff, he was the right man for the job there).

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Yes Sir, we still got hope, but all the change (money) is being given to his friends.

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This thread has turned so warm and fuzzy... I think I'll go make myself a hot chocolate...

Reminds me more of a multiple car accident on the freeway, with the remnants of all the little crunched up posts along the way .

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You know we can't stay mad at each other forever! chilout

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The point I was trying to make is that Bush quit drinking decades ago and is still being called a drunk by the lefties on this forum. To use that logic, Obama is a beer swilling smoker and a dope addict. Get it?

Understood.

For the record, I despised those attacks on Bush - along with the unproven allegations of cocaine.

Some people just don't understand that those kind of attacks only make others dig in their heels harder and stronger.