Pauly's Pizza

[schwarz]

spoke to Pauly today and he says the Villages will not renew his lease...they are "going in another direction"....say goodby to another small business that has been here with great products and good prices for more than 10 years..sad

[gongoozler]

Funny how "lighting" strikes a week before it's going to close the doors . . .

[hedoman]

Pauly's is moving 2 1/2 miles away off 466 and Sante Fe Crossing. will be bigger and better than ever. But that's how they treat a guy with 10 years AND wanted to lease the space next door? Another shoe store? That's the diretion they want to go?

:rant-rave: :rant-rave: :rant-rave: :rant-rave: :rant-rave:

[memason]

I'm guessing there's more to this story... Not sure why a lease would not get renewed, if it was paid on-time and there were no other issues with the tenant.

Sorry, the "they want to kick the little guy out, after 10 years" just doesn't compute for me...

[gatherer47]

How about maybe the Villages don't want a pizza place just down the block from the new Italian restaurant? Perhaps being on the square on a prime corner lots provides more rent and with any competition just up the street soon to be gone,a greater chance for the new restaurant to survive-hence the continuation of higher rent for the Villages.Then if they rent the Pauly's store to a different business they get that rent back.HMMM,could it be?

[rubicon]

How about maybe the Villages don't want a pizza place just down the block from the new Italian restaurant? Perhaps being on the square on a prime corner lots provides more rent and with any competition just up the street soon to be gone,a greater chance for the new restaurant to survive-hence the continuation of higher rent for the Villages.Then if they rent the Pauly's store to a different business they get that rent back.HMMM,could it be?

Methinks you are on the right track. It is a resounding theme in these parts that the Developer is difficult to deal with and pretty much wants and gets what he wants on his terms.

[red tail]

i prefer upscale places on the square over pizza joints and the like. id hate to see the developer let the squares deteriorate.
:wave:

[rubicon]

I prefer upscale eateries.....It seems to me that hundreds of residents eat out on a regular basis and upscale eateries require upscale prices. it may be nice to eat at an upscale eatery periodically but I don't know very many residents who would want to visit places like that on a daily basis? Perhaps people on the same economic level as the Developer?????

[graciegirl]

How about maybe the Villages don't want a pizza place just down the block from the new Italian restaurant? Perhaps being on the square on a prime corner lots provides more rent and with any competition just up the street soon to be gone,a greater chance for the new restaurant to survive-hence the continuation of higher rent for the Villages.Then if they rent the Pauly's store to a different business they get that rent back.HMMM,could it be?

I think that Memason's idea is more likely. A pizza restaurant is not direct competition to a fine dining restaurant. Pauly's probably had gross profit close to the new more expensive place because the take out and turn around was faster.

You have to budget if you are a Florida eatery. It is feast or famine depending on the season. Wait staff is payed mostly by tips and can't stay around when the business wanes and the owners can't make it and spend it all, they have to save some to pay the rent and the utilities when the volume drops. We all know that saving for later is a rare trait these days.

[Whalen]

As to the new upscale restaurant in SS, the only thing upscale was the menu.
The acoustics were that of a high school cafeteria and the furnishings were early sports bar.
Actually spoke to one of the owner's reps and he told us the furniture was slated to go into
a Sam Snead Sports Bar that never materialized, hence the half back booths.

As to pizza joints and joints in general, every neighborhood whether upscale or not
has to have at least one good pizza joint, a good burger joint and a comfy old man's bar.

[Indydealmaker]

I prefer upscale eateries.....It seems to me that hundreds of residents eat out on a regular basis and upscale eateries require upscale prices. it may be nice to eat at an upscale eatery periodically but I don't know very many residents who would want to visit places like that on a daily basis? Perhaps people on the same economic level as the Developer?????

If statistics are correct, half of the population in The Villages earn over approximately $56,000/yr. That disposable income makes for lots of upscale munchin!

[Jim 9922]

We lost the comfy old man's bar when they ripped out the onsite brew house pub that was orginally housed in the Luigino's building. Great beer there and furnished to all TV country clubs. :rant-rave:

[honeybaby]

The theme does consistently seem to be "The Villages will not renew my lease". same story when the Pack and Ship closed at Colony. Of course look what moved into part of their space - a T&D pool store. No connection to The Villages there for sure. Will be interesting to see which of the partners moves into Pauly's.

[golf2140]

Could it be that the owners of Pauley's owns the bricks at Santa Fe Crossing. The rent would be really low.

[spk7951]

The theme does consistently seem to be "The Villages will not renew my lease". same story when the Pack and Ship closed at Colony. Of course look what moved into part of their space - a T&D pool store. No connection to The Villages there for sure. Will be interesting to see which of the partners moves into Pauly's.



Regarding the Pack and Ship at Colony if what you say is true then why would The Villages sign a lease for the same type business with different owners in the same shopping plaza???

[Russ_Boston]

Is the new location cart accessible?

[VillagesFlorida]

Could it be that the owners of Pauley's owns the bricks at Santa Fe Crossing. The rent would be really low.

Heard a few years ago that it was Pauly's money (or whoever it is who owns Pauly's) that built Santa Fe Crossing.....hmmmmmmm. I wonder how many folks will get into a car to patronize the new place?

[Larry Wilson]

The theme does consistently seem to be "The Villages will not renew my lease". same story when the Pack and Ship closed at Colony. Of course look what moved into part of their space - a T&D pool store. No connection to The Villages there for sure. Will be interesting to see which of the partners moves into Pauly's.

I hope you are being sarcastic!
Had a pool and spa put in by T&D and learned the business is owned by a relative of the developer! Completely connected to The Villages. Many many businesses in here are owned by relatives and friends of the family.

[Atlantic]

I will miss going to Paulie's at Spanish Springs! It was always a fun place to be, friendly people and I thought the best pizza in The Villages. I will continue to go there even if it is not golf cart accessable.

[kaydee]

I will miss going to Paulie's at Spanish Springs! It was always a fun place to be, friendly people and I thought the best pizza in The Villages. I will continue to go there even if it is not golf cart accessable.

I agree 100% !

[hedoman]

I will miss going to Paulie's at Spanish Springs! It was always a fun place to be, friendly people and I thought the best pizza in The Villages. I will continue to go there even if it is not golf cart accessable.

Absolutely

[hedoman]

As to pizza joints and joints in general, every neighborhood whether upscale or not
has to have at least one good pizza joint, a good burger joint and a comfy old man's bar.[/QUOTE]

That's absolutely right. We need choices for a quick slice for lunch, take out etc.

As to the "theme" of "they didn't renew my lease" Why would Tim want tomove a succesful 10 year old business? Why would he want to expand into the unused'unleased (for 3 years) space next door (which was denied) if he wasn't doing well?

Just sayin....

[graciegirl]

Hedoman...I think you are right.

I tried Pauly's twice and it just didn't taste like the wonderful Pizza my mouth was used to. I think Pizza is a very conditioned and geographic choice.

Many of you knew the owner and those people should be much more seriously listened to as to the facts of the situation.

I didn't know the owner because their pizza wasn't yummy to my Ohio mouth.

Gracie, who is homesick for LaRosa's and Donatos.

[Autoshow]

spoke to Pauly today and he says the Villages will not renew his lease...they are "going in another direction"....say goodby to another small business that has been here with great products and good prices for more than 10 years..sad

Pizza was great at one time, but in the last year it is going downhill,
would not buy there again.


Possible reason for not renewing could be ,
1 place is filthy
2 needs paint
3 soda dispenser with all that sweet syrup is a great place for rats
4 rest room filthy
5 stock laying all over the place

[Tom Hannon]

Pizza was great at one time, but in the last year it is going downhill,
would not buy there again.


Possible reason for not renewing could be ,
1 place is filthy
2 needs paint
3 soda dispenser with all that sweet syrup is a great place for rats
4 rest room filthy
5 stock laying all over the place

I agree with Autoshow. Was at Paulies once. I thought it was filthy and as Gracie said, the pizza wasn't like it was back home at Borrelli's and Little Vincents

[linandvin]

It was kind of like the pizza you make with a Boboli bread. We did not care for it. No, nothing like Hempstead Tpke! So far the one near Sumter Landing is edible. NY pizza is NY pizza. Or anyone else's favorite is their favorite. We'll have to develop new favorites here. Pizza will probably never be one of them.

[jbdlfan]

Filthy... Haven't been in a bathroom in The Villages that isn't! My son has worked at Pauley's part time all the way through high school. Tim will do well where ever he goes because he is a people person who likes to have fun. Same old dribble about eateries.....

[WAC2371]

new pizza company will replace Pauly...Flippers out of Orlando..so relax no new shoe store. Pauly was to go to his brothers plaza on 466a but they have a falling out so we will see where he lands.

[gatherer47]

If this is true about a new pizza shop where Pauly's is,so much for my conspiracy theory involving the Italian place down the block.I guess I've been watching too many Oliver Stone movies.

[jbdlfan]

There IS more to the lease story, but that is between Tim and The Villages. The new pzza place is another small business. Pauley's IS moving to Sante Fe Crossing, it's just a matter of when.

[l2ridehd]

Upscale dining in The Villages? Where? Someone hiding it? If it's here, I have yet to find it. There is poor, decent and pretty good, but upscale I have yet to find. I think there is a great opportunity for having a really good place for special occasions, but so far no one has opened one.

[rubicon]

If statistics are correct, half of the population in The Villages earn over approximately $56,000/yr. That disposable income makes for lots of upscale munchin!

Indydealmaker: There are a number of ways to respond. I may be just one of those 50%'ters but why would I spend so much of my disposable income for munchin? My apology on not being clearer with my post but the intent was not in the spending aspect but rather the trade offs and or the opportunity costs lost. We each have our only view as to elasticity, etc. However the Developer is a billionaire not a $56,000 a year guy

[rubicon]

I hope you are being sarcastic!
Had a pool and spa put in by T&D and learned the business is owned by a relative of the developer! Completely connected to The Villages. Many many businesses in here are owned by relatives and friends of the family.

Larry Wilson: While traveling through Virginia years was pulled over by troopers for speeding. I wasn't speeding but they had the hammer. Cops directed me to the town and demanded cash for speeding. i ahd to wire home for cash. While waiting I noticed that the judge I had appeared before had his name on about every store in town. Well that's what I discovered with the Developer. he either owns it gets income from it or has one of his business partners employees etc either on the board or elected President thereof. In Europe its called a monarchy

[Bogie Shooter]

Larry Wilson: While traveling through Virginia years was pulled over by troopers for speeding. I wasn't speeding but they had the hammer. Cops directed me to the town and demanded cash for speeding. i ahd to wire home for cash. While waiting I noticed that the judge I had appeared before had his name on about every store in town. Well that's what I discovered with the Developer. he either owns it gets income from it or has one of his business partners employees etc either on the board or elected President thereof. In Europe its called a monarchy

Well, he built it, it is his, we bought into what it is.................you know the other option.

[Bogie Shooter]

Upscale dining in The Villages? Where? Someone hiding it? If it's here, I have yet to find it. There is poor, decent and pretty good, but upscale I have yet to find. I think there is a great opportunity for having a really good place for special occasions, but so far no one has opened one.

Probably not enough special occasions to support what you are looking for.

[memason]

Larry Wilson: While traveling through Virginia years was pulled over by troopers for speeding. I wasn't speeding but they had the hammer. Cops directed me to the town and demanded cash for speeding. i ahd to wire home for cash. While waiting I noticed that the judge I had appeared before had his name on about every store in town. Well that's what I discovered with the Developer. he either owns it gets income from it or has one of his business partners employees etc either on the board or elected President thereof. In Europe its called a monarchy

nevermind....wrong thread

[golf2140]

Upscale dining in The Villages? Where? Someone hiding it? If it's here, I have yet to find it. There is poor, decent and pretty good, but upscale I have yet to find. I think there is a great opportunity for having a really good place for special occasions, but so far no one has opened one.

They opened an upscale steak house where Gators Dockside is. It lasted only months, no support from residents. To expensive.

[memason]

The Villages Commercial website lists the average income of Villagers @ $95,000. If that were truly the case, TV should be able to support "one" fine dining restaurant.

Methinks that the $95,000 figure might be a bit inflated to attract investors...

[gongoozler]

The Villages Commercial website lists the average income of Villagers @ $95,000. If that were truly the case, TV should be able to support "one" fine dining restaurant.

Methinks that the $95,000 figure might be a bit inflated to attract investors...

It has to be high enough to attract another bank along 466!

[zcaveman]

They opened an upscale steak house where Gators Dockside is. It lasted only months, no support from residents. To expensive.

Food and service was not that great either. Once was enough for me.

[784caroline]

What upscale steak house are you referring to????

[hedoman]

Hedoman...I think you are right.

I tried Pauly's twice and it just didn't taste like the wonderful Pizza my mouth was used to. I think Pizza is a very conditioned and geographic choice.

Many of you knew the owner and those people should be much more seriously listened to as to the facts of the situation.

I didn't know the owner because their pizza wasn't yummy to my Ohio mouth.

Gracie, who is homesick for LaRosa's and Donatos.

It seems everybody had a better pizza joint back where they came from, I understnd that. We moved here and Left our favorite Phil's , Sals and boardwalk pizza at the Jersey shore back home. They didn't move with us so we went on a quest to find an alternate. Staying on campus I've tried as many as I could find. NOT ONE of them even comes close to our old favs but Paulys was the best FOR US and we like it and will follow them in the move.

Oh to b on the boardwalk in OC NJ with a slice of Mack & Mango......

To ALL of TV: Opinions
To each his/her own.....please allow us to have ours

[Bonny]

What upscale steak house are you referring to????

It was Emmetts. It was where Gator Dockside is. Food was hit or miss & service was pretty bad.

[kencam]

It was Emmetts. It was where Gator Dockside is. Food was hit or miss & service was pretty bad.

I'll second that !!!!!!!!

[c_epping42]

If your going to post negative things I think you should at least get your facts straight. I mean come on now think about it this is a small business not a franchise or corporation
lets think about the affects this could have on them. They have until the 31st of dec before they move not close or go out of business. I don't believe that is in their vocabulary. And WOW look they re-opened in 5 days.

[c_epping42]

Funny how "lighting" strikes a week before it's going to close the doors . . .

"It's 6 weeks not 1 and funny how they opened back up in 5 days ha LMFAO"

[graciegirl]

"It's 6 weeks not 1 and funny how they opened back up in 5 days ha LMFAO"

Sooooo c.

Are you the owner?:wave:

[old moe]

How about maybe the Villages don't want a pizza place just down the block from the new Italian restaurant? Perhaps being on the square on a prime corner lots provides more rent and with any competition just up the street soon to be gone,a greater chance for the new restaurant to survive-hence the continuation of higher rent for the Villages.Then if they rent the Pauly's store to a different business they get that rent back.HMMM,could it be?

Seems "The Family" always takes care of "THe Family", No?:spoken:

[BOMBERO]

Funny how "lighting" strikes a week before it's going to close the doors . . .


IMHO - If you want to think like that, it's your business. If you want to say it in public... I don't know, but I'll guess you're NOT A NICE PERSON. IMHO

[BOMBERO]

Seems "The Family" always takes care of "THe Family", No?:spoken:


Might just as well ask you a couple of questions while I'm at it.
Could you please tell us where in the Villages you live? In general, north of 466? South of 466? Have you ever been to Pauly's? Have you ever been to the Villages? Just asking.:icon_bored:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

:popcorn:

Bill :wave:

[old moe]

Might just as well ask you a couple of questions while I'm at it.
Could you please tell us where in the Villages you live? In general, north of 466? South of 466? Have you ever been to Pauly's? Have you ever been to the Villages? Just asking.:icon_bored:

answerto # 1,2,3,4,No #5 of course. When I said family takes care of family I was referring to the founders of the Villages not Pauly, and their not renewing lease!!:crap2:

[Russ_Boston]

answerto # 1,2,3,4,No #5 of course. When I said family takes care of family I was referring to the founders of the Villages not Pauly, and their not renewing lease!!:crap2:

I'm lost - who are the 'founders' taking care of exactly?

[Bogie Shooter]

Now this is starting to get interesting.
Bill, pass the popcorn!

[dillywho]

The Villages Commercial website lists the average income of Villagers @ $95,000. If that were truly the case, TV should be able to support "one" fine dining restaurant.

Methinks that the $95,000 figure might be a bit inflated to attract investors...

You're probably right-on about the inflated figure. I can assure you that there are plenty here that are not @ $95,000...that definitely be us. We live a very comfortable lifestyle with what we have, and absolutely do not envy those who have more. I betcha they worked hard for what they have just like we did. We are definitely blessed and grateful for those blessings. One of the blessings is that here, nobody cares what anybody else has or doesn't have. That's one of the things that makes this place so special.:D

[robertj1954]

Larry Wilson: While traveling through Virginia years was pulled over by troopers for speeding. I wasn't speeding but they had the hammer. Cops directed me to the town and demanded cash for speeding. i ahd to wire home for cash. While waiting I noticed that the judge I had appeared before had his name on about every store in town. Well that's what I discovered with the Developer. he either owns it gets income from it or has one of his business partners employees etc either on the board or elected President thereof. In Europe its called a monarchy

In America we call it free enterprise and earning the rewards for your hard work and sacrifice. The Developer put it all on the line to make this place happen. His hard work and good sense for business resulted in this fantastic retirement community we all enjoy. Why do some people see that as a bad thing? In Europe, under socialism, they are at the point of financially breaking. They remain afloat by more borrowing. Margaret Thatcher said it best many years ago. “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ”
― Margaret Thatcher

[Bonny]

In America we call it free enterprise and earning the rewards for your hard work and sacrifice. The Developer put it all on the line to make this place happen. His hard work and good sense for business resulted in this fantastic retirement community we all enjoy. Why do some people see that as a bad thing? In Europe, under socialism, they are at the point of financially breaking. They remain afloat by more borrowing. Margaret Thatcher said it best many years ago. “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ”
― Margaret Thatcher

:clap2::agree: Love The Villages !!!!

[graciegirl]

In America we call it free enterprise and earning the rewards for your hard work and sacrifice. The Developer put it all on the line to make this place happen. His hard work and good sense for business resulted in this fantastic retirement community we all enjoy. Why do some people see that as a bad thing? In Europe, under socialism, they are at the point of financially breaking. They remain afloat by more borrowing. Margaret Thatcher said it best many years ago. “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ”
― Margaret Thatcher

Excellent quote. Very apt and probably political. But excellent nonetheless.

The people I know here, even those who ended up as president and ceo of something or other didn't fall into it. Hardwork is the common denominator. I love this place.

[villages07]

Page A8 of today's Sun. Pauly's says they are not moving to Santa Fe but are relocating after 12/31 with location to be announced. Also, a $2 off coupon on purchase of $15 or more.

[brostholder]

As to the new upscale restaurant in SS, the only thing upscale was the menu.
The acoustics were that of a high school cafeteria and the furnishings were early sports bar.
Actually spoke to one of the owner's reps and he told us the furniture was slated to go into
a Sam Snead Sports Bar that never materialized, hence the half back booths.

As to pizza joints and joints in general, every neighborhood whether upscale or not
has to have at least one good pizza joint, a good burger joint and a comfy old man's bar.
I agree! Now if you can just tell me where that "comfy old man's bar" is around here?

[hedoman]

Page A8 of today's Sun. Pauly's says they are not moving to Santa Fe but are relocating after 12/31 with location to be announced. Also, a $2 off coupon on purchase of $15 or more.

Yeah Tim told us last week the location fell through. He drew a circle and said he will find a spot within 2 miles of the SS location.....

Still amazedby how many people call him "Pauly" LOL

[graciegirl]

Yeah Tim told us last week the location fell through. He drew a circle and said he will find a spot within 2 miles of the SS location.....

Still amazedby how many people call him "Pauly" LOL

Hedoman. I respect your opinion..I will use that coupon and try the pizza again. Which one is YOUR favorite?? I may have been ordering the wrong pizza. I generally like not a thick crust and the pepperoni sliced thin, thin, thin, and covering the entire surface of the cheese and baked until the pepperoni is crispy..

OH...I am so missing Donatos Pizza.:icon_hungry:

But I am open to suggestions..Hedoman.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

........I generally like not a thick crust and the pepperoni sliced thin, thin, thin, and covering the entire surface of the cheese and baked until the pepperoni is crispy..

OH...I am so missing Donatos Pizza.:icon_hungry: ........

That's exactly where I thought you were going.........and then I read your "missing Donato's line"!!! Your description was spot-on!

Bill :wave:

[784caroline]

WE would have loved the Sante Fe Location. Easy access to north and south of 466.....no 5 -7 pm congestion.

Is This strip owned by The Villages??

[tpop1]

I agree! Now if you can just tell me where that "comfy old man's bar" is around here?

Just follow some "comfy old men!!!"

[Happy Villager 1]

I thought there were two Pauly's......one in Spanish Springs and the other
located at Buffalo Ridge. Now I've only had Pauly's once while visiting
my sister because we really love Giovonni's pizza.

[happyinthevillages]

spoke to Pauly today and he says the Villages will not renew his lease...they are "going in another direction"....say goodby to another small business that has been here with great products and good prices for more than 10 years..sad

Just like the villages to push the small guy right out of there way.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just like the villages to push the small guy right out of there way.

Here we go again!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I'll share, Bogie........ :popcorn:

Bill :wave:

[dillywho]

Just like the villages to push the small guy right out of there way.

Property owners do have the right to lease or not lease to whomever they please without asking anyone else's permission or opinion. The Villages (or someone other than Pauly's owner) apparently owns the property there.

I was not happy when Starbucks was brought in at the Bichara Bakery location....loved Bichara. I am not nor have I ever been nor will I ever be a Starbucks fan, but I did not own the property and was not even privvy to the reasons (as it should be) for the change. I just took my business elsewhere.

I, too, enjoyed Pauly's in SS but not in Palm Ridge or Mulberry. I am only one of many who live here, love it, and try my best to accept change. I often don't do that too well, so I spend an awful lot of time reminding me to do it.

[graciegirl]

Just like the villages to push the small guy right out of there way.

It wouldn't make sense to evict someone or not renew their lease if they were keeping up with the terms of the agreement.

If the property owner rented it for 4K a month and the renters kept the terms of the agreement, why would they care if renters were selling Pizza or Hot Dogs or Sushi or Shoes? If the property rents for 4K..or whatever the amount, the goal is making money which the property owner is expected to do.

It would make more sense to guess that the rent wasn't paid or some other breach of contract.

Why in the world would there be a problem with a "small guy" if he was paying the same as a chain? I don't understand what you are trying to say when you say " Just like the villages to push the small guy right out of there way". WHY would the developer do that?????

[rubicon]

Well, he built it, it is his, we bought into what it is.................you know the other option.

Bogie Shooter> The Developer may have built it but residents paid every red cent for it and then some and continue to do so

[rubicon]

The Villages Commercial website lists the average income of Villagers @ $95,000. If that were truly the case, TV should be able to support "one" fine dining restaurant.

Methinks that the $95,000 figure might be a bit inflated to attract investors...

memason: If the survey included those 40 plus homes located behind the Polo field where the Developer, his family and friends all live then thr $95,000 figure may be correct. However if it did not include those homes then we are probably down to $35,000 to $50,000 give or take

[rubicon]

In America we call it free enterprise and earning the rewards for your hard work and sacrifice. The Developer put it all on the line to make this place happen. His hard work and good sense for business resulted in this fantastic retirement community we all enjoy. Why do some people see that as a bad thing? In Europe, under socialism, they are at the point of financially breaking. They remain afloat by more borrowing. Margaret Thatcher said it best many years ago. “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. ”
― Margaret Thatcher

robertj1954: Again I say he may have built it but he used residents' money and he continues to do so. You may want to review how all this gets financed. I am a free enterprise guy. GEEZ

[graciegirl]

robertj1954: Again I say he may have built it but he used residents' money and he continues to do so. You may want to review how all this gets financed. I am a free enterprise guy. GEEZ

Generally you use the profits to continue building and continue making a profit. And you get to keep most of the profit. That is called good business procedure. Losing money is apparently how the national...never mind.

My opinion is that..........This place is the best value for the money of any retirement community in the world.

[mgjim]

Generally you use the profits to continue building and continue making a profit. And you get to keep most of the profit. That is called good business procedure.

I'm with Gracie! The developers were and are just as subject to the very simple laws of economics as any other business people. If they were doing everything wrong, there wouldn't be any profit to keep building. Since they apparently have done many things right, they get more customers and more money and, hence, more profit. I just don't see why that bothers some people. Last I heard, we all have had the opportunity to the same thing.

[BOMBERO]

Bogie Shooter> The Developer may have built it but residents paid every red cent for it and then some and continue to do so

I'm amazed at how little homework you must have done before moving here.
IMHO you come across as very unhappy.

I am also amazed that you stay here. You don't seem to like it. Maybe I'm wrong. Just saying.

It's none of my business but, do you like it here? Do you ever enjoy yourself here. I've read alot of your posts. Some are good and some leave me scratching my head.

Please relax and enjoy your retirement. Life is too short to be looking over your shoulder all the time. The Leesburg P.D. and the developer are not after you. I'll shut-up now. Sorry.

[Happinow]

Filthy... Haven't been in a bathroom in The Villages that isn't! My son has worked at Pauley's part time all the way through high school. Tim will do well where ever he goes because he is a people person who likes to have fun. Same old dribble about eateries.....

It's hard to believe that the restrooms are filthy! The Villages is such a clean looking place...the walks, the streets, the buildings....why wouldn't they keep the restrooms clean? I always judge how clean a restaurant is by how clean their bathrooms are. Looks like I won't be eating out much...:sad:

[Golf-Tinker]

I often wonder if these doomsayers truly live here. Many posters this year seem to focus on negative aspects of life here. Many of us who came here are quite happy that life in the "bubble" continues as we were told and imagined.

[BOMBERO]

I often wonder if these doomsayers truly live here. Many posters this year seem to focus on negative aspects of life here. Many of us who came here are quite happy that life in the "bubble" continues as we were told and imagined.

I wonder too! I not only wonder IF, but WHY?

[RichieLion]

It wouldn't make sense to evict someone or not renew their lease if they were keeping up with the terms of the agreement.

If the property owner rented it for 4K a month and the renters kept the terms of the agreement, why would they care if renters were selling Pizza or Hot Dogs or Sushi or Shoes? If the property rents for 4K..or whatever the amount, the goal is making money which the property owner is expected to do.

It would make more sense to guess that the rent wasn't paid or some other breach of contract.

Why in the world would there be a problem with a "small guy" if he was paying the same as a chain? I don't understand what you are trying to say when you say " Just like the villages to push the small guy right out of there way". WHY would the developer do that?????

The developer is a little choosey on who he'll lease to. A lot of offers to lease the space that recently became Luigino's Restaurant were turned down for different reasons.

If an alternate business was willing and able to pay more for Pauly's space than Pauly's can or is willing to pay, the developer may choose to accept that offer and not renew a clients lease for that reason alone.

It's always about the money in almost any transaction.

[BOMBERO]

The developer is a little choosey on who he'll lease to. A lot of offers to lease the space that recently became Luigino's Restaurant were turned down for different reasons.

If an alternate business was willing and able to pay more for Pauly's space than Pauly's can or is willing to pay, the developer may choose to accept that offer and not renew a clients lease for that reason alone.

It's always about the money in almost any transaction.


Sorry, I have to disagree on this one. I think it could be more WHO than HOW MUCH.
And I think it is true in alot of cases here. In the big picture, rent on one store front is peanuts.

[RichieLion]

Sorry, I have to disagree on this one. I think it could be more WHO than HOW MUCH.
And I think it is true in alot of cases here. In the big picture, rent on one store front is peanuts.

It's always the money. If you're talking "prestige"; prestige is money.

[graciegirl]

The developer is a little choosey on who he'll lease to. A lot of offers to lease the space that recently became Luigino's Restaurant were turned down for different reasons.

If an alternate business was willing and able to pay more for Pauly's space than Pauly's can or is willing to pay, the developer may choose to accept that offer and not renew a clients lease for that reason alone.

It's always about the money in almost any transaction.

How do you know that a lot of offers to lease the space that recently became Luigino's Restaurant were turned down? You must have an "in" with the developer! ;)

I think the commercial space in both squares is expensive because I have seen frequent vacancies over the last four years. It is hard for a business to sustain itself with the fluctuations of population as we come and go here. When the population drops during the slow season, the bills go on. But that is only a guess on my part. Come on Richie.

How do you you know???

[spk7951]

How do you know that a lot of offers to lease the space that recently became Luigino's Restaurant were turned down? You must have an "in" with the developer! ;)

I think the commercial space in both squares is expensive because I have seen frequent vacancies over the last four years. It is hard for a business to sustain itself with the fluctuations of population as we come and go here. When the population drops during the slow season, the bills go on. But that is only a guess on my part. Come on Richie.

How do you you know???


Well I can not speak for Richie but I do remember an article in The Daily Sun about Luigino's. I believe it was an announcement that Luigino's would be coming and it mentioned that various others had expressed interest in putting a restaurant in that space.

[RichieLion]

How do you know that a lot of offers to lease the space that recently became Luigino's Restaurant were turned down? You must have an "in" with the developer! ;)

I think the commercial space in both squares is expensive because I have seen frequent vacancies over the last four years. It is hard for a business to sustain itself with the fluctuations of population as we come and go here. When the population drops during the slow season, the bills go on. But that is only a guess on my part. Come on Richie.

How do you you know???

I have no "in", I just read the newspaper. It was actually in one of the stories about Luigino's opening in the Daily Sun. They quoted the developer as having said they turned down many requests for the space until they had an offer that seemed right for that high profile location.

"Following the money" is just a time honored wisdom that is usually always correct when you're looking for an answer to most any question where money is a factor.

[BOMBERO]

I have no "in", I just read the newspaper. It was actually in one of the stories about Luigino's opening in the Daily Sun. They quoted the developer as having said they turned down many requests for the space until they had an offer that seemed right for that high profile location.

"Following the money" is just a time honored wisdom that is usually always correct when you're looking for an answer to most any question where money is a factor.

Didn't you just make my point? "they turned down many requests" Read
that as THEY TURNED DOWN MONEY. "an offer that seemed right" Read that
as WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT WHO WE PUT ON THE SQUARE.:confused:

[Turtlediver]

I thought the pizze at LSL was quite good.....close to New York but just miss...but a miss is still a miss....

[RichieLion]

Didn't you just make my point? "they turned down many requests" Read
that as THEY TURNED DOWN MONEY. "an offer that seemed right" Read that
as WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT WHO WE PUT ON THE SQUARE.:confused:

It's still ultimately always about the money. No business decision is ever made without money being front and center. Prestige plays a part, but only if it's profitable. The developers "own" a share of every business's profits. It's just common sense.

[Russ_Boston]

The restrooms that are controlled by TV (near the squares etc.) have been very clean in my opinion. TV can't control how a bathroom in any private restaurant is maintained.

[boobear51751]

It is my belief that the builder who owns this key property would much rather see it as a business district in the near future. Therefore, there would be no need for entertainment in the square and the only eating places will be the builders own two places on the square. MONOPOLY I say. I would think Paul's brother could have helped out here.

[Russ_Boston]

It is my belief that the builder who owns this key property would much rather see it as a business district in the near future. Therefore, there would be no need for entertainment in the square and the only eating places will be the builders own two places on the square. MONOPOLY I say. I would think Paul's brother could have helped out here.

Not sure why you think this but I would say 'doubtful'. There is already many, many, many stores and business in and around SS. People still need some places to eat. And besides I sure he doesn't care what is there as long as the space is leased for the most money it can be leased for (demand drives the price). It is already a monopoly, the developer owns all the land already and the relatively low cost of entertainment brings in the crowds to frequent all these places he can justify a high lease price on.

[blueash]

I was told by a business owner who was considering moving on site that the lease he was offered not only included a base rental cost that was higher than being off site which he understood, but also had a requirement for payment of several percent of his sales to the ownership. That he found unacceptable as he felt he was being asked to continuously pay more as became successful.

[Vinny]

I was told by a business owner who was considering moving on site that the lease he was offered not only included a base rental cost that was higher than being off site which he understood, but also had a requirement for payment of several percent of his sales to the ownership. That he found unacceptable as he felt he was being asked to continuously pay more as became successful.

That is standard for stores in Malls. I worked for a Mall developer. We give the space away to the big anchors like Macy's and charge a base rent and percentage of profits to the stores. Some may say it is unfair but it is the Maill that draws the people and they should share in the success of their efforts to draw more people. Lets face it, there are Gap stores all over the place so it is not the store in the Mall that is drawing the people there but rather that the Maill marketing efforts bring more people to the Mall to make it possible for that individual Gap store to sell more.

Any business is free to build outside of the Mall but for some reason many choose to pay the rent plus percentage of profits to be in the Mall. Same kind of thing with the town squares.

[graciegirl]

Vinny is right. It is standard to do just that and it is done all over the country. I would think for a small business like a Pizza place is, it would be a disadvantage to rent in a situation that shares profits. There are many, many, places around this town that would be cheaper to rent that doesn't share profits and thus more profitable for a small guy. I bet that is the reason that they are moving now that their lease is up.

So that is the answer to why the "small guy" is moving. You get things figured out on this forum.

I love it!

I will try their pizza again.

But I miss Donatos.

[dillywho]

Chain operators (Burger King, Popeyes, etc.) not only purchase a franchise, but also have to pay a percentage of their gross (not net) to the corporation. The Villages operation seems no different. This is how it worked for my cousin who operated several Popeyes in Amarillo.

[hedoman]

AND HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE THREAD ON PAULY'S? They are great and we will follow.

Those who KNOW the facts please step up ....those of you who GUESS or WANT to give information BACK OFF

[BOMBERO]

AND HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE THREAD ON PAULY'S? They are great and we will follow.

Those who KNOW the facts please step up ....those of you who GUESS or WANT to give information BACK OFF

Pauly's is moving 2 1/2 miles away off 466 and Sante Fe Crossing. will be bigger and better than ever. But that's how they treat a guy with 10 years AND wanted to lease the space next door? Another shoe store? That's the diretion they want to go?

:rant-rave: :rant-rave: :rant-rave: :rant-rave: :rant-rave:


Take a couple of deep breaths. Relax. Is your post above fact? Hey I like Pauly's as much as you. I think Tim and his help are great people. Been going there a long time. We don't get a say in what direction the Villages whats to go in. They've done a good job without us making their decisions for them.

[Moderator]

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Now, back to the pizza.....

[hedoman]

Take a couple of deep breaths. Relax. Is your post above fact? Hey I like Pauly's as much as you. I think Tim and his help are great people. Been going there a long time. We don't get a say in what direction the Villages whats to go in. They've done a good job without us making their decisions for them.

Tim told us a while back that he origionally had an opportunity at Sante Fe then he told us he could not close the deal.....I just report what I know at the time....things change...... Pauly's will be around SOMEWHERE

[Moderator]

One more time... Please stick to the topic of Pauly's Pizza. Next time this thread strays into interpersonal issues, it will be closed.

[BOMBERO]

One more time... Please stick to the topic of Pauly's Pizza. Next time this thread strays into interpersonal issues, it will be closed.

:oops:

[Bogie Shooter]

Might as well close it, the Pauly's issue has been answered.

[Sporty13]

spoke to Pauly today and he says the Villages will not renew his lease...they are "going in another direction"....say goodby to another small business that has been here with great products and good prices for more than 10 years..sad

Heard a new Pizza place called, Flippers, from Orlando is going into Pauly's, if that's the reason, Pauly's, has to leave, I, for one, will boycott the place, I LOVE Pauly's Pizza.

[Russ_Boston]

Heard a new Pizza place called, Flippers, from Orlando is going into Pauly's, if that's the reason, Pauly's, has to leave, I, for one, will boycott the place, I LOVE Pauly's Pizza.

I like Pauly's also but I'm sure it's just a matter of max amount the owner of the lease can get for the place. If Flippers is good then I'll frequent. If not then...

[Aloha]

Well, I have been to the Flippers in Clermont and in Orlando and the pizza there is excellent!

[starbaby]

Just ate pizza at Pauly's for the first time last night. It was really good. Sorry it is closing. We enjoyed the folk singer that was there also. Where are we suppose to get pizza? ( please don't say Pizza Hut). I don't want upscale pizza, I just want GOOD pizza.

[KathieI]

I'm sorry,,, LMAO... a pizza joint called "Flippers"????? Can't help but think about that old TV show about the dolphin????? :oops:

Had pizza at Pauly's back in '08 for the first time and loved it. Unfortunately because of my diet program, haven't been back until recently, it was still FABULOUS!!! Can't say I'll miss it cause I'm still dieting, but I just love it when a place is so consistent in their quality level. I will go back, wherever they land, and will frequent it more when I'm off this bloody diet!! :cus:

[bkcunningham1]

We were in Pauly's last night and purchased a gift certificate for my husband's sister and teenaged niece and nephew who are here for Christmas. The young lady who checked us out said it had to be used by Dec. 30 because Pauly's couldn't get the lease renewed.

I told her I'd heard they were moving and reopening somewhere else. She said another business got the lease at Sante Fe before the owner of Pauly's could get a contract signed, but that he's still looking. Take all of this with a grain of salt because it was coming from a young lady working the register at Pauly's. Anyway, I said that it sounds to me like you won't be opening anytime soon if he doesn't have a lease yet.

She said he's negotiating with someone else that will be a very central location so everyone can be served (whereever and whatever that would mean, I don't know). The cashier said the owner would not divulge the location of the place he's trying to get leased now.

I tried folks, but that is all the info I could get. I do know when I asked for a menu to put in my gift basket for the twins, she said they didn't have any menus. That didn't sound good.

[bkcunningham1]

Pauly's is gone. Closed the doors and moved the interior contents and equipment out yesterday, one day earlier than they said and before the kids could use the gift certificate.

We talked to the owner as they were loading a truck. He said it would be 4 to 5 weeks before they've reopened. He said he is negotiating for a new lease at an undisclosed location because of a privacy clause in the lease. Now, who has a privacy clause in a lease?

[FMF Doc]

I remember when the Pauly's located in Palm Ridge closed they had a sign on the door that said to watch for a new location along 466.

I have been watching since around July but have not seen a reopening for them.