The Queen of Mean (Hillary)Wants To Run

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As I have been predicting on this forum for months the Queen of Mean has finally made an overt move to run .

In today's WJS (11/21/11) Patrick Gaddell and Doug Schoen had an article published proclaiming that like Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson before him Obama must take the high road and tell the American public that he will not run. According to the authors Obama cannot win by running a constructive campaign and if he does win he will not be able to govern. They cite numerous poll numbers which make it clear that Obama is a lame duck and that in every pool a generic republican beats him. Conversely Hillary 's poll numbers are quite high

They go on to say that they have not spoken with Hillary R Clinton (wink wink) but that they are certain she could easily win in 2012 because she has the experience and could bring the economy back as did her husband by working in a colloborative effort along side Republicans citing one example after another. Schoen served as a pollster for Bill Clinton....that's a surprise

In my view Hillary played the political game well. She played good little Democrat and did not openly battle with Obama. She was smart enough to demand the Secretary of State job to keep her in the hunt and to improve on her resume'. I had always believed that Obama signed his political death warrant by allowing Hillary visibility.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. We can of course expect to see Hillary role play well the surprise and humility and i am grateful but I can't run....did I hear you say please? Oh Hillary please you said.

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Gee..I thought that was Leona Helmsley. What has Hillary done that makes her mean?

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Must see video clips here:

Was Barack Obama Selected Rather Than Elected?

...explosive interview with Gigi Gaston, a writer/director who has made a documentary outlining the rampant voter fraud perpetrated by the Obama campaign during the 2008 primaries against Hillary Clinton. Gaston is a lifelong Democrat whose grandfather was a Democratic governor of Massachusetts. Gaston is not some partisan hack but someone who cares deeply about the election process and democracy. Gaston presents compelling evidence in We Will Not Be Silenced that Barack Obama was selected by the DNC, not elected by the people:

http://carolyntackettscloset.blogspot.com/2010/07/was-barack-obama-selected-rather-than.html

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on the very positive side it would be delightful news that the party has acknowledged the liability that rests with Obama.

It would for sure reinvigorate those dems that are disenchanted with Obama, and give them cause to vote their party again.

From the we the people perspective, her experience is certainly significantly ahead of Obama's...not even close. The bad news? She is a Washingtonian that knows how things work and would make little or no change to how Washington works.

And of course the republicans will rise to the new challenges their new opponents bring to the race.

I am 100% for Clinton and the party making the move!!

Keep your fingers crossed.

btk

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Even Dems. that are disenchanted with Obama would NEVER - EVER - vote for any of the current R candidates.

The R's sure seem scared - they'd like another D to run - anyone but Obama. They are even picking up Hilary stories from WorldNetDaily about her running.

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I thought Sarah Palin was going to run if no other viable conservative candidate came foreward. Where is she??????????

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A few months ago, Faux News was doing a story on Palin, and they had her photo up in the background - trouble was, the photo they had posted was Tina Fey as Palin.

They report, you decide........

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You can only hope a dem would never, ever vote for one of the current R candidates....there will in fact be many that do vote for anybody but Obama.

I also know there are many just like me, that as I said above, the dems putting up Hillary or any other candidate would be viewed as positive as the party acknowledges the Obama liability. Nothing scared about that!

I personally believe your anticipation of all Obama prior election supporters will be there for him for a second term is overly presumptuous, and that's fine. I don't think that will be the case. Whether in significant enough numbers or not remains to be seen IF he is the candidate.

And I would high hopes that Hillary or any other dem candidate would result in a more positive campaign. With Obama all we can expect is for him to run a very negative campaign....as per usual. I also do not think he will talk his way in as easily as he did last time...his track record for the past 3 and by then 4 years will haunt him.


btk

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You can only hope a dem would never, ever vote for one of the current R candidates....there will in fact be many that do vote for anybody but Obama.

I also know there are many just like me, that as I said above, the dems putting up Hillary or any other candidate would be viewed as positive as the party acknowledges the Obama liability. Nothing scared about that!

I personally believe your anticipation of all Obama prior election supporters will be there for him for a second term is overly presumptuous, and that's fine. I don't think that will be the case. Whether in significant enough numbers or not remains to be seen IF he is the candidate.

And I would high hopes that Hillary or any other dem candidate would result in a more positive campaign. With Obama all we can expect is for him to run a very negative campaign....as per usual. I also do not think he will talk his way in as easily as he did last time...his track record for the past 3 and by then 4 years will haunt him.


btk

Pretty good analysis btk. I too think there are lots of people in the middle that voted for Obama, who would be very apt to reconsider at this time. The question is will the republicans end up with a candidate that is palatable to them. That is yet to be determined.

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LOL - Carol's Closet is a news source for ******* now?

A few days ago another one of you ******* linked to something called pajamas tv - or something like that.

LOL

Laugh and shoot the messenger-blogger all you want. Gigi Gaston, the documentary maker interviewed here, went to all the other networks and FoxNews was the only one that allowed another voice to be heard besides the state-controlled media......

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4279497/obama-stole-election/?playlist_id=87937

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Must see video clips here:



http://carolyntackettscloset.blogspot.com/2010/07/was-barack-obama-selected-rather-than.html

Those allegations have been around during and following the 2008 campaign yet the Dems did nothing to remedy it, We all got a taste of that with Eric Holders refusal to prosecute the Black panthers that prevented people from voting. We also were introduced to the connving committed by ACORN.

Well the DNC recognized that their cherry picked candidate was a poor choice indeed, which in fact is surprising since even Mr. Magoo had Obama sized up from the start.

So now the Dems are desperate and they need a savior and a martyr. Will Obama do the honorable thing and fall on his sword? :Screen_of_Death: Will Hillary pick up the gaunlet and charge forward to save her party and her country?:crap2:

Hillary has been baiting this trap for Obama from before he was sworn in. You have to give Hillary and Bill credit they are the consummate politicians.

We Republicans better re-group because if Hillary runs were going to need the big guns. And if she wins ObamaCare will be tailored to Hillary's liking but not repealed. Taxes will go up and defense spending down

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Even Dems. that are disenchanted with Obama would NEVER - EVER - vote for any of the current R candidates.

The R's sure seem scared - they'd like another D to run - anyone but Obama. They are even picking up Hilary stories from WorldNetDaily about her running.

I will cross over to vote against the incumbent.

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It has been my guess that Joe Biden would be dumped and Ms. Clinton brought on the ticket, improving chances for a win. :confused:

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It has been my guess that Joe Biden would be dumped and Ms. Clinton brought on the ticket, improving chances for a win. :confused:

Posh 08 I don't think that Hillary will settle for that deal. I might be wrong because above all elese she and Bill are pragmatist but seems to me based on the tone of the WSJ that Hillary is going in for the kill as Schoen laid heavily on why Obama can't win and or won't be able to govern. It all depends on how hard the DNC pushes for Obama to bow out gracefully????????

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Even Dems. that are disenchanted with Obama would NEVER - EVER - vote for any of the current R candidates.

The R's sure seem scared - they'd like another D to run - anyone but Obama. They are even picking up Hilary stories from WorldNetDaily about her running.

Actually you've got it backward. I want Obama running on his record. If Hillary runs she can distance herself from Obama's record, and she can make promises and emphasize her record and that might bring the "moderates" who are drifting to the Republican ticket back to the Dems.

It seems unlikely she will seek the nomination from a sitting President and that's good news, to me.

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I will cross over to vote against the incumbent.

I hope you never plan on receiving social security or medicare with the republicans in charge.

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I will cross over to vote against the incumbent.

Are you speaking for your spouse? Which one is doing the talking? They will only allow one of you in the voting booth at a time! :1rotfl:

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Are you speaking for your spouse? Which one is doing the talking? They will only allow one of you in the voting booth at a time! :1rotfl:

That went over my head. What are you talking about? Why are you dragging my wife into this. I don't understand. :confused:

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That went over my head. What are you talking about? Why are you dragging my wife into this. I don't understand. :confused:

It was just a little strange to me that your Avatar has two adults in it and no way to tell which one was the poster. Nothing more than that. It was just a little confusing who Posh 08 was. It just struck me as funny. Now I know that Posh 08 is the person on the left. No offense intended.

Xavier

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...numerous poll numbers which make it clear that Obama is a lame duck and that in every pool a generic republican beats him....Lordy, if we could only get a generic Republican to run, instead of Larry, Moe and Curly, or the other chubby guy who has both arms full of ethical and moral baggage as well as a badly soiled political past.

Mr. Generic can win, but I doubt that those guys can.

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Lordy, if we could only get a generic Republican to run, instead of Larry, Moe and Curly, or the other chubby guy who has both arms full of ethical and moral baggage as well as a badly soiled political past.

Mr. Generic can win, but I doubt that those guys can.

Specifically stated: "President Obama is now neck and neck with a generic Republican challenger in the latest Real clear Politics 2012 General Election Average (43.8%-43.0%) Meanwhile voters disapprove of the president's performance49%-41% in the most recent Gallup survey and 63% of voters disapprove of his handling of the economy" WSJ 11/21 authored Dems Patrick Caddell and Doug Schoen.

The unfortunate truth is that we can find as many lapses in ethical and moral baggage with Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton as we can with many others.

So where does one go to find Pauly Pure to run as President? Jimmy Carter was pure enough to public ask forgiveness for lusting in his heart and he has been critized for being a poor presidential pick.

Let's get real here. What I keep asking myself is " Is what is being said by the critics regarding this presidential candidate materially effect the manner in which this candidate would conduct the people's business? We already know that any and all polticians in Washington and elsewhere are influenced by insider trading, lobbyist, unions, etc. They control and we can vote every one of them out but they will be replaced with another just like them save some few cases. We need term limits and as one reader wrote in response to the insider trading dilemma the best method is that in order for a candiate to accept a position in congress, Administration, et al they had to agree tat they would divest all of their holding except US Treasury bonds because that is the only way you could be certain they would represent voters interests ahead of their own...But those two solutions are not going to happen.

I am voting Republican come 2012 because the alternative whether Obama or clinton are simply unacceptable for America

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I think Rubicon meant to say that voting for President Obama or Sec. Clinton is unacceptable to him and not to America. America voted President Obama into office and they certainly will keep him over the current mind-meld of Repubican possibilities.

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I think Rubicon meant to say that voting for President Obama or Sec. Clinton is unacceptable to him and not to America. America voted President Obama into office and they certainly will keep him over the current mind-meld of Repubican possibilities.

I think Rubicon spoke about what's unacceptable to America's health and longevity as a nation.

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I think Rubicon meant to say that voting for President Obama or Sec. Clinton is unacceptable to him and not to America. America voted President Obama into office and they certainly will keep him over the current mind-meld of Repubican possibilities.

The country's is going down the tubes and you really think the people won't hold the guy in charge accountable?

Don't worry Buggy, I'll buy you a beer and try to explain how it all happened despite your wishes in November. I know you won't listen to me before then.

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I am a proponent of positive thinking and attitude, however I don't believe the comment they most certainly will carry him over for a second term is in the bag.

btk

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Specifically stated: "President Obama is now neck and neck with a generic Republican challenger in the latest Real clear Politics 2012 General Election Average (43.8%-43.0%) Meanwhile voters disapprove of the president's performance49%-41% in the most recent Gallup survey and 63% of voters disapprove of his handling of the economy" WSJ 11/21 authored Dems Patrick Caddell and Doug Schoen.

The unfortunate truth is that we can find as many lapses in ethical and moral baggage with Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton as we can with many others.

So where does one go to find Pauly Pure to run as President? Jimmy Carter was pure enough to public ask forgiveness for lusting in his heart and he has been critized for being a poor presidential pick.

Let's get real here. What I keep asking myself is " Is what is being said by the critics regarding this presidential candidate materially effect the manner in which this candidate would conduct the people's business? We already know that any and all polticians in Washington and elsewhere are influenced by insider trading, lobbyist, unions, etc. They control and we can vote every one of them out but they will be replaced with another just like them save some few cases. We need term limits and as one reader wrote in response to the insider trading dilemma the best method is that in order for a candiate to accept a position in congress, Administration, et al they had to agree tat they would divest all of their holding except US Treasury bonds because that is the only way you could be certain they would represent voters interests ahead of their own...But those two solutions are not going to happen.

I am voting Republican come 2012 because the alternative whether Obama or clinton are simply unacceptable for America



Why not give the complete story from RCP? Not only does Obama beat some make believe "generic" Republican, but let us see how he does against each potential R candidate, shall we?

Obama - 46.1, Romney - 44.7
Obama 49.1, Gingrich - 42.3
Obama 49.5, Cain - 40.0
Obama 49.8, Perry - 40.7
Obama 47.8, Paul - 41.8
Obama 51.4, Bachmann - 37.0