Herman Cain Weasel Wording

[Guest]

I was listening to the evening news and heard about Herman Cain's extra-maritial affair. He was asked by a FOX reporter if he had a 13 year affair with the woman. Cain replied he did not have a 13 year affair with the woman.

Naturally, trying to make it sound like he did not have an affair with the woman - but mentioned only a very specific time period. What was it - 12 years and 7 months?

Wow, makes Slick Willy seem like an amatuer, doesn't it?

Shame on FOX for going along with Cain on this sham. Why did they not just ask if he ever had an extra-maritial affair with the woman or with anyone instead of having him weasel word his way around the question?

Hope the cheating sleaze backs out of the Presidential race real soon.

[Guest]

IMHO I have a hard time understanding why the media is out to destroy this man. What is everyone afraid of. I don't believe anything the media has to say right now because each network has their own agenda and are pushing it anyway they can including fabrication. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the networks claim one of the candidates have undergone a sex change. Anything is possible when you are trying to make news out of nothing. I really hope the truth will come out before this political party makes it's selection. I don't believe in throwing rocks but I don't understand what everyone is afraid of. The opposite party has many many cheaters that find a way to get elected and then re-elected. Why, if this slur is true, any different than what we have elected before?? The media in this country has no morals anymore and I won't believe any accusations until they are proven to be the truth. It used to be you were innocent until proven guilty, but now the media makes you guilty and it is up to you to prove you are innocent. The candidates are spending all their time defending themselves and this is playing into the media agenda. I will be the first to say he should withdraw if the claims are proven to be true, but just because someone makes an accusation, doesn't make it true.

[Guest]

Let me see.....Gennifer Flowers comes out and says she had an affair with Clinton...this during his first run for President. She produced tapes to prove it.....he kept denying even said the tapes were doctored. Then Kathleen Wiley comes out and he denies that BUT then admits he did have an affair with Flowers (he went on 60 minutes and looked in the camera and said he did not right before the election).

All that makes him the ambassador for the Democratic party....seems to me that what he did then AND while President trumps any of this IF ANY IS TRUE.

thus the small people call him names, lambast Fox even though he was on CNN with a live interview but you know that doesnt count either.

It is not right or moral to cheat on your wife...PERIOD but if we are going to destroy this man, lets call all the other stuff fair game as well.

For me the voters decide if this is important to them....being so self righteous makes me wonder about WHY some are sooooooo self righteous

[Guest]

Did I not say that Clinton was a sleaze, too? Everyone knows that.

Herman Cain just tried to weasel word his denial by saying he did not have an affair for that specific time period (13 years). He did NOT say he did not have an affair at all - but just mentioned that specific time period.

Is it a lie? Probably not because the affair was probably not for exactly 13 years. Maybe 12 years and 8 months but NOT exactly 13 years so he did not lie.

Sounds quite a bit like Clinton saying that oral or cigar sex with Monica was not sexual relations. Or what is the definition of "is"?

Definitely, it is time for Cain to drop out of contention and start making pizza again.

[Guest]

Did I not say that Clinton was a sleaze, too? Everyone knows that.

Herman Cain just tried to weasel word his denial by saying he did not have an affair for that specific time period (13 years). He did NOT say he did not have an affair at all - but just mentioned that specific time period.

Is it a lie? Probably not because the affair was probably not for exactly 13 years. Maybe 12 years and 8 months but NOT exactly 13 years so he did not lie.

Sounds quite a bit like Clinton saying that oral or cigar sex with Monica was not sexual relations. Or what is the definition of "is"?

Definitely, it is time for Cain to drop out of contention and start making pizza again.

Well the "cheating sleaze" as you called him must live with whatever he has done...sounds as if you know something as you pronounce him guilty

And that doggone Fox...how have they screwed up again....and that doggone Wolf Blitzer.....sorry you forgot to mention him..thought I would just help out.

How about instead of calling names, perhaps discuss issues...would be great for the forum to do that.

[Guest]

At this point it doesn't matter anymore.

Cain's candidacy is finished - his 15 minutes are up. It ended with his attempt to criticize Obama on his handling of Libya, and it turned into a debacle. This guy is not ready for prime time.

I am convinced that his goal all along was to write a book. This so-called run was just a way to get the gullible to buy his book, not unlike the 1/2-governor of Alaska.

Herb, we hardly knew ye.

[Guest]

The issue here is Herman Cain's alleged affair and his weasel wording trying to push past the exact 13 year time period.

The sleaze was already charged with sexual harassment by 4 different women and now one says she had an extra maritial affair (and has proof) of it.

Cain is now toast - or a pizza.

Coralway is probably right. He will have a book ghostwritten like Caribou Barbie did and hit the lecture circuit. The gullible will fork over their money.

[Guest]

At this point it doesn't matter anymore.

Cain's candidacy is finished - his 15 minutes are up. It ended with his attempt to criticize Obama on his handling of Libya, and it turned into a debacle. This guy is not ready for prime time.

I am convinced that his goal all along was to write a book. This so-called run was just a way to get the gullible to buy his book, not unlike the 1/2-governor of Alaska.

Herb, we hardly knew ye.


I am not privy to why he ran, but think it was doomed from the get go. Primaries are very "different"...power plays WITHIN the party, etc. I worked closely on a few up north and in one case THE PARTY made one guy a frontrunner with comments, skewed polls, etc....for a lot of reasons but understand this is a PARTY event, not only looking for a candidate, but a message and future leaders. It has always been this way and continues...many of the candidates are simply seeking a more important place within their party

[Guest]

If Cain was a Democrat these allegations would be career enhancement. Unfortunately for him he is a Republican.

[Guest]

Amazing the nasty partisan things you see posted from someone who claims to be an ordained minister.

[Guest]

Amazing the things you see the nasty partisan things you see posted from someone who claims to be an ordained minister.


Not sure who or what you are talking about...can you clarify ?

[Guest]

The person who wrote the comment will know who they are - and it does not seem to be the words of a minister which they claim to be. But, I am not their judge.

[Guest]

If President Obama had been accused of eight counts of sexual assualt, a long term affair and three marriages in 2008, he would be the worst person in the world. But since it's Herman Cain and Speaker Gingrich, it's like well, boys will be boys.

Didn't Ann Coulter say her black is better than our black? Really? How?

[Guest]

The person who wrote the comment will know who they are - and it does not seem to be the words of a minister which they claim to be. But, I am not their judge.

You are judging the wrong "Sally" and not the one who posts here who is a minister and chaplain.

[Guest]

If President Obama had been accused of eight counts of sexual assualt, a long term affair and three marriages in 2008, he would be the worst person in the world......

LOL.....Obama was "only" accused of a 20-year affair with one of the most venomous racists every to take the pulpit for the Chicago Machine, Jeremiah Wright. Only 20 years of tutelage under the screaming, ranting, foaming at the mouth Wright who spews Hate Whitey, Hate Hillary, and G-Damn America. But listening to that, calling Wright his "spiritual advisor" in print, getting married by, having his daughters baptized by, and paying into the "church" coffers for 20 years means nothing to the Democrat Chicago Machine.

[Guest]

I believe freedom of religion is still a basic right. Correct? The voters spoke loud and clear in Nov 2008.

[Guest]

At this point it doesn't matter anymore.

Cain's candidacy is finished - his 15 minutes are up. It ended with his attempt to criticize Obama on his handling of Libya, and it turned into a debacle. This guy is not ready for prime time.

I am convinced that his goal all along was to write a book. This so-called run was just a way to get the gullible to buy his book, not unlike the 1/2-governor of Alaska.

Herb, we hardly knew ye.

the 1/2-governor of Alaska.

:a20: Good one. If she could not take the heat as govenor, how could you possibly handle the POTUS job? Well, she can't...

[Guest]

I believe freedom of religion is still a basic right. Correct? The voters spoke loud and clear in Nov 2008.

You purposely miss the point that one's religion is one's core beliefs and ideology.

The president's ideology certainly matters, regardless of the person in that office.

[Guest]

LOL.....Obama was "only" accused of a 20-year affair with one of the most venomous racists every to take the pulpit for the Chicago Machine, Jeremiah Wright. Only 20 years of tutelage under the screaming, ranting, foaming at the mouth Wright who spews Hate Whitey, Hate Hillary, and G-Damn America. But listening to that, calling Wright his "spiritual advisor" in print, getting married by, having his daughters baptized by, and paying into the "church" coffers for 20 years means nothing to the Democrat Chicago Machine.

I could never figure that out either....how can you know someone for 20 years and attend their church and NOT know? I never believed that for a second.

[Guest]

This WSJ column says it well:

The Churches of Cain and Obama


Theological differences between the two yield different understandings of the path to economic advancement.

By HARRY JACKSON

When Herman Cain began singing "Amazing Grace" at the National Press Club on Monday, some believed he was trying to distract attention from the sexual harassment charges that had surfaced against him. But, as he explained, "My faith is a big part of who Herman Cain is." In fact, though he's decided to campaign on his background in business, Mr. Cain is an ordained minister and deeply religious man.

Like President Obama, Mr. Cain belongs to a mostly black congregation with a black pastor. But that is where the similarities end. Stark differences between the political philosophies of these two men may be rooted in their profoundly different theological heritages. The churches both men are (or in the case of Mr. Obama, were) longtime members of are known for liberal activism, but with notable differences in their views of scripture.

Mr. Cain's church, Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, Ga., is theologically conservative, affirming the inerrancy of scripture and historic Christian creeds as literally true. It was founded in 1877 as eight freed slaves banded together in prayer. During its 134 years, it has hosted many civil-rights activists, and today it has 14,000 members.

The Chicago church where President Obama belonged for 20 years, Trinity United Church of Christ, is theologically liberal, eschewing scriptural inerrancy and taking apostolic creeds as "testimonies" of faith, rather than literally, unchangeably true. The scriptures are seen more as "living documents" than permanent anchors and pillars of faith.

Trinity United Church of Christ was formed in 1961, on the heels of the civil-rights movement. It was started by 12 middle-class black families who came north during the Great Migration, but from the beginning it has been part of a denomination that, nationwide, is majority white.

While Mr. Cain's economic views are likely more conservative than those of many of his fellow congregants, his views on social issues are consistent with his denomination—the National Baptist Convention—and with the majority of black Americans. Mr. Cain, like most black Americans, believes life begins at conception and that marriage is a sacred covenant between one man and one woman.

Mr. Obama, by contrast, has said that his views on redefining marriage to include same-sex couples are "evolving." This evolution has been clearly visible in his policies, including his vocal stance against "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and his open opposition to the Defense of Marriage Act. His budgets and health-care plan have included taxpayer funding for abortions both domestically and abroad. These policies are consistent with the views of the United Churches of Christ.

Perhaps it's easy to see how the two men's theological differences inform their views of family, but they also yield different understandings of the path to economic advancement.

Mr. Cain's church subscribes to traditional Christian theology, which sees the black experience in light of scripture. Mr. Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, on the other hand, is known for teaching black liberation theology, which sees scripture in light of the black experience. It seeks to create a direct correlation between the black condition and the light of God's revelation in Jesus Christ. The freedom they gained from whites is a part of the freedom Jesus promised.

According to Antioch's website, its early leaders "stressed the dignity of work and honest labor." By contrast, Trinity's website emphasizes God's displeasure with "America's economic mal-distribution." It's not surprising, then, that President Obama would see a government-run jobs program as the key to ending the current economic recession whereas Mr. Cain would look to private industry.

An Obama vs. Cain contest couldn't be cast as a referendum on a black man's qualification to hold the highest office in the land. Instead it would be a choice between two black men who see everything—from the role of government in a free society, to the very definitions of life and family—almost completely differently.

For at least two generations, blacks have been taken for granted by Democrats and ignored by Republicans. Most blacks have looked the other way regarding their convictions about life and family when they have cast their votes. They have flocked to the polls for figures like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, whose liberal views on social issues have little relation to their own. The option of Mr. Cain on the ballot might cause them to think twice. = = = =

Bishop Jackson is senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203804204577013602800527814.html

[Guest]

Does Herman Cain's church subscribe to the philosophy that it's okay to sexually assualt women and have an extra-marital affair? It's more important how someone lives their life than what church they attend. Again, the voters spoke loud and clear in 2008, and they will do so again in 2012.

[Guest]

Does Herman Cain's church subscribe to the philosophy that it's okay to sexually assualt women and have an extra-marital affair? It's more important how someone lives their life than what church they attend. Again, the voters spoke loud and clear in 2008, and they will do so again in 2012.

Verification of sexual assault and extra-marital affairs by Cain are yet to be seen. Time will tell.

[Guest]

I believe freedom of religion is still a basic right. Correct? The voters spoke loud and clear in Nov 2008.

That they did....of course only after the President threw his long time minister, mentor and friend (HIS words not mine) "under the bus"

This is really not worthy of comment...we have had multiple sexual cheaters with the Clinton administration (IN the White House also)....lets wait until there are two nominees.

And you speak about pastors and such....who is the Presidents pastor at present and that is not a smart aleck remark...I AM curious.

[Guest]

I don't think President Obama and his family attend church on a regular basis. Occasionally, I've seen them go to the church right across from the White House (name escapes me). President Reagan never attended church either while in office, as you recall. That's about enough on religion on this thread which was supposed to be about Herman Cain's indiscretions. If the accusations are untrue, then this guy has the worst luck.

[Guest]

it is nothing more than exploitation of opportunity with the intent to make big $$$$.

Let's assume it is all true for a moment. All these women have been under a rock all these years and now, just happen stance and coincidence out they come? And the one for one amplifier greasing the skids is the ever present media ready to run a story, with absolutely no idea whether true or not. The media's only objective is to do what ever it can to take this black candidate down. Guilty until proven innocent......BS!!!

The man has no alternative but to withdraw or just let the polls take him out...as a result of the media coverage he is tainted beyond repair even if totally innocent!!!!!!!!

Politicians today do not run on their record or accomplishment. They only disparage the opposition.

btk

[Guest]

Buggyone--- If you were referring to me as an ordained minister you are wrong. I've never even played one on TV.

[Guest]

Buggyone--- If you were referring to me as an ordained minister you are wrong. I've never even played one on TV.

My mistake. I apologize to both.

[Guest]

it is nothing more than exploitation of opportunity with the intent to make big $$$$.

Let's assume it is all true for a moment. All these women have been under a rock all these years and now, just happen stance and coincidence out they come? And the one for one amplifier greasing the skids is the ever present media ready to run a story, with absolutely no idea whether true or not. The media's only objective is to do what ever it can to take this black candidate down. Guilty until proven innocent......BS!!!

The man has no alternative but to withdraw or just let the polls take him out...as a result of the media coverage he is tainted beyond repair even if totally innocent!!!!!!!!

Politicians today do not run on their record or accomplishment. They only disparage the opposition.

btk

If it is nothing more than exploitation of opportunity with the intent to make big $$$$, then why are these allegations not being made against Gov Romney or Gov Huntsman, who both have a lot more $$$$ than Mr Cain?

[Guest]

well, that has a simple answer....mr romney and mr huntsman are not as big a threat to our first black president as mr cain would be. the article about their two different churches says it all.

[Guest]

I believe billethkid is spot on. The campaign managers have become very good at muckraking. They can make people believe that some gossip true or not will have a devasting effect on a candidates performance.

Like most I do not abide adultery and like most such allegations result in "is so" "is not" responses.

Herman Cain is not my first choice because I do not agree with his 9-9-9 solution nor do I believe he would be adapt at foreign policy.

I will let others get worked up on the sex allegations. Eventually it will get resolved and then I take a second look. For now I refuse to let campaign managers and PR guys think they can manipulate my thinking.

[Guest]

Especially since it was Rick Perry who leaked the story. Obviously, Perry had his "research" team dig up dirt on a rival.

What did you think the media was going to do with a story about a presidential candidate who had a relationship outside of his marriage ? Ignore it?

[Guest]

Well, it now looks as though Mittens the Kitten has the Republican spot sewed up. Wonder what laughable character they will put up with Mittens. It had better be a middle of the roader or the G'Nopers can pucker up for another loss in 2012.

Bachmann - too looney

Perry - just as looney and Texas looney at that. Been there, done that.

Santorum - Who?

Paul - bedbug crazy

Gingrich - more baggage than Paris Hilton owns.

[Guest]

Well, it now looks as though Mittens the Kitten has the Republican spot sewed up. Wonder what laughable character they will put up with Mittens. It had better be a middle of the roader or the G'Nopers can pucker up for another loss in 2012.

Bachmann - too looney

Perry - just as looney and Texas looney at that. Been there, done that.

Santorum - Who?

Paul - bedbug crazy

Gingrich - more baggage than Paris Hilton owns.

No clue.

[Guest]

Using the same sarcastic magnifying glass I would like to see the same whimsical labels of the democratic team in 2008.

btk

[Guest]

Using the same sarcastic magnifying glass I would like to see the same whimsical labels of the democratic team in 2008.

btk

This character BUGGYONE only demeans those folks he disagrees with...his cute little comments and nicknames, I assume, make him feel good in some way ! Sort of a waste of space however !!

No clue is right on

[Guest]

Well, it now looks as though Mittens the Kitten has the Republican spot sewed up. Wonder what laughable character they will put up with Mittens. It had better be a middle of the roader or the G'Nopers can pucker up for another loss in 2012.

Bachmann - too looney

Perry - just as looney and Texas looney at that. Been there, done that.

Santorum - Who?

Paul - bedbug crazy

Gingrich - more baggage than Paris Hilton owns.




He's gonna need a real conservative on the ticket with him. It'll 'prolly not be one of the current candidates - a conservative congressperson or Senator.

Someone along the lines of a DeMint.

[Guest]

He's gonna need a real conservative on the ticket with him. It'll 'prolly not be one of the current candidates - a conservative congressperson or Senator.

Someone along the lines of a DeMint.

Really?; a thoughtful response. Sorry if that offends at all, but I usually expect hit and run comments from you and I'm impressed. (not that that should impress)

I still wouldn't put money on Mitt winning this thing in the end. I think Democrats would love to run against Mitt. They have a 200 page opposition report compiled by the McCain campaign team, believe it or not, to have a party with. They're starting already in battleground states.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/31/mitt-romney-the-magically-malleable-man-of-mystery/

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will103011.php3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI7g

[Guest]

Bucco, of course I am not going to make fun of the candidates I would agree with. I really have not said anything negative about Romney - except he did not know his first name is Willard. He would do okay as President.

John McCain would have had my vote in 2008 if it had not been for Palin on the ticket. I have voted Republican several times. I just do not like the current candidates and their viewpoints on social issues.

[Guest]

Latest Perry gem. He thinks the voting age is 21 and that the election is November 12, a Monday. And oh, that New Hampshire has a caucas when, if fact, it's a primary. Happy Trails to you!!!! :doh:

[Guest]

LOL - yeah, I saw that. Perry had his NH audience members shaking their heads in disbelief.

Bet you won't see that clip on Faux News.

His "handlers" ought to give thought to deporting Perry back to TX.

[Guest]

....I have a hard time understanding why the media is out to destroy this man. What is everyone afraid of?...The media doesn't have to do a thing to destroy Herman Cain except report the things he has done or says.

It seems to me that's exactly what they've done, with the exception of the various comedians on late night TV and cable. They've taken many of the things that Cain has said and pointed out how outrageously funny some of the stuff he says is and how ridiculous, even embarrassing, he is as a candidate to serve as President of the U.S.

Thankfully, the public has come to the same conclusion.