In the interest of fairness....

[Guest]

Obama just wants to make things fair. That seemed to be the overriding theme of his speech. It's not fair that some have more than others and if you do, you're not paying your fair share.

Wasn't the Community Reinvestment Act supposed to do that? Make things more fair?

After all, it wasn't fair that some could afford to buy a house and others couldn't.

What was the end result? A total collapse of our housing market.

How's that fairness working out for everyone now? Does anyone here really believe Government can really force fairness on everyone?

Obama wants you to believe he can if you'll just reelect him. He's a liar.

[Guest]

Obama just wants to make things fair. That seemed to be the overriding theme of his speech. It's not fair that some have more than others and if you do, you're not paying your fair share.

Wasn't the Community Reinvestment Act supposed to do that? Make things more fair?

After all, it wasn't fair that some could afford to buy a house and others couldn't.

What was the end result? A total collapse of our housing market.

How's that fairness working out for everyone now? Does anyone here really believe Government can really force fairness on everyone?

Obama wants you to believe he can if you'll just reelect him. He's a liar.

Who is stopping him from coming down and living like the rest of us little people...Wouldn't that even things out a little bit?

[Guest]

Politicians never live like the rest of us. They live off of us. Even worse, some of us are hell bent on turning over more of our daily lives to them.

Politicians like Obama and his ilk, want more spending, more taxes, more regulation, more power and more control. They achieve it through regulation, class warfare and redristrabution.

They would have you believe that only through them solutions come. If only millionaires and billionaires would pay their fair share... (to the government of course) they could solve our problems. All they need is more money and more regulations to make things fair for all of us.

How about the "War on Poverty"? We've sent trillions and trillions of our money to the government over the years and yet we sill have poverty?

Where are we today? 15 Trillion in debt, 40 million people on food stamps, millions and millions of homes in foreclosure, horrible job market, energy costs going through the roof and the list goes on.

It's MIND BLOWING how much faith people put in the government especially Obama and his economy recking elites.

But in all fairness, all they need is more money and surly they can fix it.

True greed and unfairness comes straight from Washington. Mostly from liberals who think that what other people earn belongs to them to do with as they please. They enrich themselves and try to make as many people as they can dependent on them so they can keep their power.

[Guest]

Obama just wants to make things fair. That seemed to be the overriding theme of his speech. It's not fair that some have more than others and if you do, you're not paying your fair share.

Wasn't the Community Reinvestment Act supposed to do that? Make things more fair?

After all, it wasn't fair that some could afford to buy a house and others couldn't.

What was the end result? A total collapse of our housing market.

How's that fairness working out for everyone now? Does anyone here really believe Government can really force fairness on everyone?

Obama wants you to believe he can if you'll just reelect him. He's a liar.




Educate yourself about CRA.

http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html


You want to talk about a POTUS being a liar. Try this on for size......

http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~richard/reflect/lies.html

In fact there have numerous book published filled with nothing but Bush lies. Yes, there are enough lies by Junior to fill a book.

[Guest]

Educate yourself about CRA.

http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html


You want to talk about a POTUS being a liar. Try this on for size......

http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~richard/reflect/lies.html

In fact there have numerous book published filled with nothing but Bush lies. Yes, there are enough lies by Junior to fill a book.

I don't believe Klassen said anything about a sub-prime crisis, but only about a question of what is "fairness". What am I missing.

Sometimes, and in almost every case in the blog you linked, a "lie" can be merely a misinterpretation.

Someone could classify your post as to the nature of Klassen's OP "a lie". I wouldn't, but someone might.

[Guest]

The Bush response from liberals is so typical, old, tired and lame. It's all they have. There's never any substance. Just to educate a few here on current events. Uh..Bush isn't running next year.

ALL politicians are liars. However, in general, two schools of thought.

1. Central control, big government, more intrusion.

2. Smaller government more individual freedom, personal responsibility.

Which one will you vote for next year?

[Guest]

I have to agree with RichieLion on this one.
Depending on what your political leanings are you could read and interpret the statement vs the so called "lie" to match your belief.

I don't think you can call this a point scored with such a sketchy grey area study.
I think you could do this for just about every if not every president in history.

[Guest]

dkl,your comparisons of 1 and 2 are a sham. They have nothing to do with each other. I will grant you this.....our large corporations and our richest 1 % love number 2 the rest of us I don't think so.

[Guest]

Liberalism is the true sham, you just don't care.

[Guest]

dklassen, the CRA was from *1977* with legislative changes in '89, '91, '92, '95, '95, '99, '05, '07 and '08.

NONE of those happened under Obama. Perhaps you'd care to be a little more specific as to which parts of the law you're referring to?

The *original* law was to outlaw the practice of "redlining". Obviously, with all those changes, there was a lot more to it in later years.

[Guest]

Did I ever say it was Obama legisation? You miss the point completely... not surprised really. I was talking about fairness in general. I know, Liberals are all about fairness these days. Obama is now Mr. Fairness as long as he can steal it from someone else and trade it for votes.

Here's something I learned when I was like freaking 5 years old. Life isn't fair and the government can't make it fair. Liberals don't seem to understand this simple concept.

Actually maybe some do and thats the real con game. Just give us your money and we'll make it fair for you. Only problem is, they never do.

[Guest]

The Bush response from liberals is so typical, old, tired and lame. It's all they have. There's never any substance. Just to educate a few here on current events. Uh..Bush isn't running next year.

ALL politicians are liars. However, in general, two schools of thought.

1. Central control, big government, more intrusion.

2. Smaller government more individual freedom, personal responsibility.

Which one will you vote for next year?

Reminds me of when the kids were small with the blame game. It takes more charactor and creativity to be an agent of change and accept responsibility for it and move forward...instead of blaming someone else.

[Guest]

and you are going to tell me that you and others do not blame Obama for all that is wrong in the U.S.? Please do not insult my intelligence.

[Guest]

some of us only blame him for NOT doing what he promises or says he will do!!

btk

[Guest]

One of my fundamental problems with liberals are, they believe it perfectly ok to take what doesn't belong to them. Legalized stealing really.

So here we are, my neighbor drives a nicer car than I do. Well, that isn't fair. Can someone can pay him a visit and force him into buying me a new car please? That's only fair, he has a ton more money than I do. What's he need all that money for? Of course that's ridiculous but that's exactly what liberals believe.

Here's the key. The only difference is Liberals use government as their intermediary and call it fairness.

How many times does Obama use the word fair. Millionaires and billionaire just don't pay there fair share (even though the top few percent pay the vast majority of taxes already). It's not fair that everyone can't go to collage, it's not fair that everyone can't own a house, it's not fair some have more money than others and on it goes. All in the name of we're the government, just let us fix it. Are people really that gullible?

It's class warfare pure and simple, getting people to envy others so they vote the government power to take it. It's disgusting and pathetic that anyone in America would defend it. But we have those people, they're called liberals.

I don't blame Obama for any of this. I blame the people who put him there and worse yet want to keep him there.

[Guest]

and you are going to tell me that you and others do not blame Obama for all that is wrong in the U.S.? Please do not insult my intelligence.

Not all that has happened, but for most of what is going on now to make America worse. I think I can safely say that about our President in regard to his class warfare.

[Guest]

and you are going to tell me that you and others do not blame Obama for all that is wrong in the U.S.? Please do not insult my intelligence.

No, I honestly can say that no one can blame Pres Obama for all that is wrong in the US! Alot of this has been brewing for a long time. But he was to bring Hope and Change, not allow things to go from bad to worse. In my opinion, he is as dumb as a fox. I always learned that you have two choices...be part of the problem OR be part of the solution. What was going on when Obama took office, was not his fault, but he certainly has not been part of any working solutions either...therefore, with the powerful position that he now holds, he is now part of the problem.

[Guest]

Well said, Katz.:agree:

[Guest]

Katz I am in partial agreement with you that Obama is part of the problem,I dont think he has been strong enough in standing up to Republicans who have ,because of the Senate filibuster rules that force 60 votes to pass a bill,obstructed just about all of his programs all the time and all of them all the time. I wish he would tell McConnell and Boehner to go toH....!

[Guest]

He sure had no problem shoving his healthcare bill down the throats of the American people, in spite of the fact that the people were overwhelmingly against it (as evidenced by numerous polls)...

[Guest]

He even backed down then and let the Repubs gut the original.

[Guest]

some one please remind me all the things that were passed by congress to make things better in America during the first two years of Obama's term.....WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAD CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES!!!!! I fear too many readily forget the republicans gained control of the House ONLY 12 months ago (out the 36 month Obama tenure!!).

All the smoke and BS about what the dems can't get done is just that....smoke and BS....tunes for the Pied Piper's following.

btk

[Guest]

One of my fundamental problems with liberals are, they believe it perfectly ok to take what doesn't belong to them. Legalized stealing really.


The flip side of that is that conservatives seem to think the same of corporations. Give them tax cuts, subsidies, build them stadiums if they're a sports team - basically a Carte Blanche to the treasury. These days it's in the name of being "job creators" but it doesn't matter if they actually create the jobs.

This is the basic problem with our government. The treasury is regarded as a honeypot for the legislooter's constituents.

[Guest]

The flip side of that is that conservatives seem to think the same of corporations. Give them tax cuts, subsidies, build them stadiums if they're a sports team - basically a Carte Blanche to the treasury. These days it's in the name of being "job creators" but it doesn't matter if they actually create the jobs.

This is the basic problem with our government. The treasury is regarded as a honeypot for the legislooter's constituents.

Private Corporations shouldn't be singled out for tax cuts. Industry in general should. It's unworkable to say "how many jobs will you create?". A corporation may not be able to come up with the number due to many factors; their present business health, their ability to quickly expand, their access to qualified employees, etc. Tax breaks have to be across the board and business will fill whatever vacuum is created.

Subsidies are another matter and should be scarce. Only for pressing public need (not demand) should subsidies to private interests be considered, including the endless subsidies to colleges in their endless studies of who knows what to benefit who knows who.

[Guest]

Richie, I am glad to see you are against all farm subsidies. I agree.

[Guest]

Richie, I am glad to see you are against all farm subsidies. I agree.

I do agree with ending of farm subsidies, unless it's for a vital food resource that cannot be otherwise acquired within our nation's borders. All subsidies for the non-growing of product should be eliminated.

[Guest]

I wonder if any of the Republican candidates spoke of being in favor of ending the corn/ethanol subsidies while they were campaigning in Iowa?

[Guest]

Subsidies are another matter and should be scarce. Only for pressing public need (not demand) should subsidies to private interests be considered, including the endless subsidies to colleges in their endless studies of who knows what to benefit who knows who.

I suspect we agree on much more than might be expected.