Grandchildren Living In The Villages

[VillagesFlorida]

I started a new thread on this subject since I was the one who began the discussion! Gracie and Bogie Shooter, I wish I could answer the questions you posted regarding this. Here is what I know: We played golf today with a couple who live in Hadley. I don't know their names and I don't know their address, and if I did know I wouldn't post that info here....I know you understand. They have lived in their home for over 3 years, that I can tell you. We were talking about the fact that there seems to be more and more young people living here and she relayed to me that in her neighborhood there are several couples who have their children, in their 20s, living back at home with them. She went on to tell me that across the cul-de-sac from her house there is a couple who added on to their home so they could take in their 2 young grandchildren. This did not sound to me like a 30-day visit, the supposed maximum that our grandchildren are allowed to be here. I'd like to think that there might be a legitimate reason as to why these little kids are living there. So, do I know this to be a fact? No, not from my own personal knowledge. The woman who told me about this seemed to be very nice and very honest. I had no reason to NOT believe her. She DOES live across the street and it would seem feasible that she would have her facts straight.

[NotGolfer]

I thought there was a rule that noone under 19 could live in TV. Young children would be a no-no! Someone should look into this. As for adding on...there is a house backing up to Odell Circle between Hadley Pool and Odell Pool that is adding on a significant addition---wonder if that's the one you speak of??!!!

[downeaster]

I started a new thread on this subject since I was the one who began the discussion! Gracie and Bogie Shooter, I wish I could answer the questions you posted regarding this. Here is what I know: We played golf today with a couple who live in Hadley. I don't know their names and I don't know their address, and if I did know I wouldn't post that info here....I know you understand. They have lived in their home for over 3 years, that I can tell you. We were talking about the fact that there seems to be more and more young people living here and she relayed to me that in her neighborhood there are several couples who have their children, in their 20s, living back at home with them. She went on to tell me that across the cul-de-sac from her house there is a couple who added on to their home so they could take in their 2 young grandchildren. This did not sound to me like a 30-day visit, the supposed maximum that our grandchildren are allowed to be here. I'd like to think that there might be a legitimate reason as to why these little kids are living there. So, do I know this to be a fact? No, not from my own personal knowledge. The woman who told me about this seemed to be very nice and very honest. I had no reason to NOT believe her. She DOES live across the street and it would seem feasible that she would have her facts straight.

Did she know the ages of the two young grandchildren? If they are over 19 they are "legal". ( I have seven grandchildren over 19).

Deed enforcement is resident complaint controlled. An anonymous phone call will correct the problem.

[VillagesFlorida]

I thought there was a rule that noone under 19 could live in TV. Young children would be a no-no! Someone should look into this. As for adding on...there is a house backing up to Odell Circle between Hadley Pool and Odell Pool that is adding on a significant addition---wonder if that's the one you speak of??!!!

I don't know where the house is, just that she said "Hadley". I don't know of any special circumstances which would allow young grandchildren to live with their grandparents but perhaps someone DOES know? What about disabilities of some kind? Are THOSE children under 19 allowed here?

Downeaster, I only heard her say that the grandchildren were young. I took that to mean that they were way under 19.

[buggyone]

No, there are no special covenants or circumstances that would allow a person under 19 to be living in The Villages for more than 30 days a year.

All it takes is one person to blow the whistle and the homeowners would have to make other arrangements while they are caring for the under 19 year old.

Everyone signed the same documents when they moved to The Villages.

[redwitch]

Buggyone -- Not everyone signed those documents -- long-term renters signed rental agreements and leases. The homeowners signed the CCRs.

[k2at]

I bought a resale and signed no documents saying young children were not allowed to live in the Villages.

[The Villager II]

I bought a resale and signed no documents saying young children were not allowed to live in the Villages.

Then your Realtor did you a disservice. Go whoop his :0000000000luvmyhors

[jane032657]

Made me shudder when I read VillagesFlorida write "children with disabilities...are THOSE children allowed to live here...ugh. Aside from whatever the rules are..."THOSE" children are no different from children with other abilities so let's be more sensitive. I am sure this person did not mean to say how their post sounds, but as someone who works with people with disabilities, it struck a nerve.

[The Village Girl]

Made me shudder when I read VillagesFlorida write "children with disabilities...are THOSE children allowed to live here...ugh. Aside from whatever the rules are..."THOSE" children are no different from children with other abilities so let's be more sensitive. I am sure this person did not mean to say how their post sounds, but as someone who works with people with disabilities, it struck a nerve.

I didn't read it that way. I can't speak for the poster but I think they were making the point that maybe "THOSE" children would be excluded from the the contract.

With all due respect I think you might be sensitive because you work with people with "disabilities". I could say that as a person with a "disability" and, aren't we all, I could take exception to your pointing out that people with "disabilities" should be treated different. They really aren't any more different then the rest of us.... they just show their disability on the outside where the rest of us can hide ours on the inside.

Now.... back to topic. Children under 19 are not to be in The Villages for longer then 30 days and that's why many of us live here.

[Bosoxfan]

The Villages is an adult community and therefore noone under the age of 19 can live here, that is Florida law. Just like the 20% under 55 rule is Florida law not The Villages rules. If someone blows the whistle, the residents will be forced to make other arrangements.

[paulandjean]

Just leave this alone.Care for yourself. We do not know the facts. Do not start making phone calls. Its the season.Be nice

[RayinPenn]

If the children aren't bothering you directly let it go. What if you drop a dime on them and they are returned to an abusive or irresponsible parent. Then you read or hear about some tragedy - let their neighbors make and live with that choice.

[RichieB]

I didn't read it that way. I can't speak for the poster but I think they were making the point that maybe "THOSE" children would be excluded from the the contract.



I agree. If you notice, the word DOES is also capitalized, which makes me think that DOES and THOSE were written in upper case for emphasis.

Just my opinion........

[mulligan]

All that stuff is in the deed restrictions. You do not sign on to the deed restrictions, they go with the land. If you have not read them prior to closing, shame on you!! In the last section of the restrictions for my district, it says that the owners have an obligation to see that the restrictions are enforced, including by litigation. A bit harsh maybe, but it ensures equal and even enforcement.

[Number 6]

This thread got me to thinking. If you do not decide to ignore certain deed restrictions, it is the same as not honoring your word. Like Baretta said, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

[paulandjean]

Or you can look at it this way,Maybe we should just mine our own business. We are not the "Village Police". Seems that a few people on this site have to much time on their hands.

[samhass]

If the children aren't bothering you directly let it go. What if you drop a dime on them and they are returned to an abusive or irresponsible parent. Then you read or hear about some tragedy - let their neighbors make and live with that choice.

Well said.:agree:

[skip0358]

Seems to me there was an earlier post on this same topic. There was circumstances and I believe TV new about it. The Mom was stationed in a war zone and there were no other relatives. I believe a time line was given and the neighbors were made aware of it. So lets not stir the pot to much. Could also be another rumor, god knows we've had them before. That's it for me. MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY HANUKKAK .

[CarGuys]

Here we go again, Rules were made to be broken. Right!

Lawyer Scott was made famous up here, He built his lake home four feet on the neighnors property.

Now it took a four year court/media battle between the Village and lawyer Scott.

In the end the people won his home was torn down and 20% of the village felt sorry for the lawyer who ignored the law.

His poster Bill Board on rte 690 used to say.

Ignorance is Bliss but it does not hold up in Court. Hmmmmm

Rules and law are part of society. Not to be broken by" Feelings"

IMHO just the way it is. We all play by the established rules unless a majority has them changed. It has nothing to do with case by case.

[ceejay]

Here we go again, Rules were made to be broken. Right!

Lawyer Scott was made famous up here, He built his lake home four feet on the neighnors property.

Now it took a four year court/media battle between the Village and lawyer Scott.

In the end the people won his home was torn down and 20% of the village felt sorry for the lawyer who ignored the law.

His poster Bill Board on rte 690 used to say.

Ignorance is Bliss but it does not hold up in Court. Hmmmmm

Rules and law are part of society. Not to be broken by" Feelings"

IMHO just the way it is. We all play by the established rules unless a majority has them changed. It has nothing to do with case by case.

:agree:

[The Village Girl]

Or you can look at it this way,Maybe we should just mine our own business. We are not the "Village Police". Seems that a few people on this site have to much time on their hands.

That would apply to YOU as well, Right? :icon_wink:

[ceejay]

That would apply to YOU as well, Right? :icon_wink:

:):evil6::)

[DAnder2829]

paulandjean---I totally agree with you. My business and none of your business!

[Challenger]

I bought a resale and signed no documents saying young children were not allowed to live in the Villages.

You are still subject to matters of record( Deed restrictions and covenants) Your realtor should have made these available to you . But no matter you are bound.

[paulandjean]

We have people living in cars,and park benches,vacant homes with nothing, and you want to call the village police on them.Maybe you should try walking in their shoes for a day. So you read something about village restrictions and you sign it and now you are suppose to turn in your neighbor.There are some people on this site that act so sweet,so many people just love them,but actually they are very mean women.

[graciegirl]

No child under 19 can live here for more than 30 days in the year.

No exceptions. It is on the DEED, so renters and resales are included.

I have heard that no matter what it will be enforced.

No need to worry, when it is discovered, the kids will move or the owners and the kids will move. And because of legal processes it won't be by Christmas.

It is what it is.

We all knew this or should have known this and ignorance of the fact is not going to change the legality of the deed restrictions.

I love children, I adore children. We bought in a retirement community that doesn't allow you to park your boat or RV or nest your pink flamingo or have children under the age of 19 stay with you for more than 30 days a year..

If you love this part of Florida and your small children must live with you, they are going to have to live outside of The Villages.

[graciegirl]

We have people living in cars,and park benches,vacant homes with nothing, and you want to call the village police on them.Maybe you should try walking in their shoes for a day. So you read something about village restrictions and you sign it and now you are suppose to turn in your neighbor.There are some people on this site that act so sweet,so many people just love them,but actually they are very mean women.

That would be me.

[swimdawg]

That would be me.

I suppose you also want to be in the running for the SWIMDAWG Post of the Day Award with that one! :)

[VillagesFlorida]

Made me shudder when I read VillagesFlorida write "children with disabilities...are THOSE children allowed to live here...ugh. Aside from whatever the rules are..."THOSE" children are no different from children with other abilities so let's be more sensitive. I am sure this person did not mean to say how their post sounds, but as someone who works with people with disabilities, it struck a nerve.

I asked a simple question. My thinking was along the lines of perhaps a disabled child who might be confined to bed or children who require more specialized care due to emotional or physical disabilities. If YOU choose to read more into my post than what I wrote that is your perogative. Please don't assume that I do not know anything about children with disabilities. My brother, who lived with grand mal seizures due to epilepsy long before there were drugs to help him, was taunted by classmates until my parents removed him from school. A brain injury, suffered as a small child left him with emotional and mental disabilities, in addition to the devastating effects of his epilepsy. He required supervision and care and could not have lived on his own. You stated that ......"THOSE" children are no different from children with other abilities". My brother was very different from other kids his age and he certainly did not have the same abilities these kids had. He had "gifts" that some other kids did not have and we loved him for who he was. Since I do NOT know the answer to my question, I was asking whether or not anyone else knew if children needing specialized care, under age 19, might be allowed to live here. It was a simple question and could have been answered simply. Please do not criticize me for posting information that was told to me in good faith.

[ceejay]

We have people living in cars,and park benches,vacant homes with nothing, and you want to call the village police on them.Maybe you should try walking in their shoes for a day. So you read something about village restrictions and you sign it and now you are suppose to turn in your neighbor.There are some people on this site that act so sweet,so many people just love them,but actually they are very mean women.

I am assuming that you are referring to me and I apologize for the snarky icon.

However, the rules are the rules are the rules and I was taught to obey the rules.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are entitled to yours. It just seems that every time someone posts something that you don't agree with, you comment that we "have too much time on our hands". Apparently, that doesn't apply to you.

Just please try to knock off the insults and express your opinion without insulting others.

Gracie...you couldn't be mean unless your life depended on it. Merry Christmas to you!:)

[BobKat1]

No child under 19 can live here for more than 30 days in the year.

No exceptions. It is on the DEED, so renters and resales are included.

I have heard that no matter what it will be enforced.

No need to worry, when it is discovered, the kids will move or the owners and the kids will move. And because of legal processes it won't be by Christmas.

It is what it is.

We all knew this or should have known this and ignorance of the fact is not going to change the legality of the deed restrictions.

I love children, I adore children. We bought in a retirment community that doesn't allow you to park your boat or RV or nest your pink flamingo or have children under the age of 19 stay with you for more than 30 days a year..

If you love this part of Florida and your small children must live with you, they are going to have to live outside of The Villages.

I agree. The deed restrictions and covenants need to be followed. If not, why bother having them? Everyone needs to be treated the same per the restrictions or covenants.

[mrsanborn]

Beware of the Boomer. Rules are only a small inconvenience.

[784caroline]

[/QUOTE] Please do not criticize me for posting information that was told to me in good faith.[/QUOTE]

The problem when you post something told to you in good faith is that it is nothing more than an unfounded rumor and can set off a number of provoking discussions especially when the topic touches a sensitive nerve or subject. BTW I abide (at least I think I do) by the deed restrictions.

[graciegirl]

Please do not criticize me for posting information that was told to me in good faith.

The problem when you post something told to you in good faith is that it is nothing more than an unfounded rumor and can set off a number of provoking discussions especially when the topic touches a sensitive nerve or subject. BTW I abide (at least I think I do) by the deed restrictions.[/QUOTE]



You are so right Caroline...AND BY THE WAY....Do you folks know this poster, Caroline, is a male who lives in Caroline? And always the voice of reason.

This is a rumor, but probably the rules need to be brought to the attention of potential buyers. It sure hit MY hot button.:undecided:

And VillagesFlorida who is a girl and NOT VillagesFl who is a guy...VillagesFlorida...anyone who has read your posts would know that you are kind and sensitive. (I wish you'd put your sweet picture on again, because I had you mixed up for awhile)

What would we do without each other to point out things and make us think?

[jane032657]

Different children need different support whoever they are. I do not think children themselves are different, I think their needs can be different and yes I am sensitive, probably overly so, to how things are worded or said as I do advocacy and work for inclusive living. I have also fostered 55 special needs and high risk foster children and have had to fight for their place in the community and at school.
We just bought in The Villages. I was told that you can have people 19 and older living in your house-no one can do anything about that. However, unless they are on the deed, they can only use the ammenities with a guest pass and have TV privileges with a pass. So sometimes they can have a pass and then there has to be a break before they can get another. No one can force anyone out of your house 19 and over but they will be restricted without the guest pass or being put on the deed.
I am not wanting to create controversy, sorry, just was reacting to large letters which to me stung. I see it was not meant. We all learn by communicating.

[pooh]

Wasn't there a situation in Florida where a grandchild was living with grandparent(s) in an age restricted community and the courts forced a resolution? The child HAD to leave so the grandparents moved?

Alas, with life as it is today, so many grandchildren are becoming wards of their grandparents. While it is instinctively what any grandparent would do, it really can't be done here...them's the rules. One thing to think about is the lack of other children...kids need to be with their peers. It does seem heartless and mean spirited to not allow children to stay, BUT we all signed deed restrictions...and it doesn't matter, it's there whether we like it or not, however it is not fair to those who have chosen to live in an age restricted development. Why should their rights and desires be minimized?

We really have no idea if what is thought to be regarding youngsters mentioned in this thread is truth or fiction. All we are stating is our feelings and opinions. Some of us want to go by the established rules that this community has regarding who can be here and for how long, others want to bend the rules because they can sympathize with the situation. Believe me, those of us who want the rules aren't heartless and unsympathetic, however, many moved here because of those restrictions, why do they have to be the ones to sacrifice. As sad as it is, resolution can happen, but it will mean additional sacrifice by the grandparents...they will have to find other living facilities. It is what it is.

[Mikeod]

Assuming that the original post is correct and a house is being expanded to accommodate young children living with grandparents, we are told by some that we should ignore it. OK, but where should the line be drawn? What other restrictions can we ignore in order to mind our own business? If I have a neighbor who has a partly dismantled car in his driveway, is that OK? Or how about the neighbor who refuses to maintain his landscaping so his weed seeds blow onto others' properties? What about the neighbor who is running a business out of his home resulting in a lot of vehicular traffic and parked cars on our street all day and night? Ignore that, too?

If we start determining which regulations we will abide by and which we allow ourselves to ignore, we start on the slippery slope toward a community with ever decreasing value.

We had a wonderful neighbor who, due to circumstances beyond his control, was forced to take in his daughter and her young children. Since 30 days would not be enough, and, knowing the rules, he sold his house and moved out of TV so he could do what he had to. No one had to force him to do this. He knew what was right and what was wrong.

The attitude that "I'll break the rules and wait for them to catch me" is abhorrent to me. I was not brought up that way.

[jane032657]

Sorry about your brother. I used to be the Executive Director of the British Columbia (Canada) Epilepsy Society. It is a very tough disorder and children with seizures really do suffer from ridicule, embarrassment and isolation. I also had a foster son for 7 years wth autism, epilepsy and totally visually impaired. When I left Canada, he went to live in a new foster home. The foster mother left him in the bath tub while she went to take a phone call and have a cigarette. He had a seziure and passed away in the tub. Epilepsy is one of the most stigmatized disorders. I understand your pointof view.

[swimdawg]

I live in a patio home community up north. Patio homes in WNY are strictly "geared" for seniors. However, there are no rules or regulations stating that children cannot live here. There is one lone family with children who lives here. It breaks my heart to see these children amongst all us seniors. They have no peers to play with......and we're all "old". Children just do not belong in senior communities. It's not fair to the children! A short visit is delightful.....but for children to live in a senior community is wrong...........and not fair to the old or the young. IMHO.

[The Shadow]

Under 19, on parole, mother and father do not want him in their house, he’s a good boy, grandma and grandpa love him so they take him in.

Get a security system, tip of the day.

I have a friend whose son came to live with him in FL, he was under 18 and this was not in TV. In the first 45 days in FL he was in jail more than out. If a mother can not stand her own kid he is a problem.

[Posh 08]

I wouldn't buy in TV if I knew this rule was not being enforced so I'll be watching this closely.

[skip0358]

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Everyone wants to believe the rules are the rules and they must be enforced.I agree with this and it's why I moved here. However they are only enforced if the violation is reported and very few people would rat out their neighbors. So the fountain that never runs water,the nice lawn ornament,the camper or motor home in the road with water and power running from the house, the boat in the driveway, the rubermaid storage locker that sticks above the villa wall, the work that's being done without permission or didn't go to ARB,the person with more pets then allowed and even though it's not in the deeds don't tell me how fast I can drive my golf cart etc. As TV gets bigger there will only be more of this happening. The only to prevent this is to call a in a complaint. You don't have to give your name.
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[graciegirl]

The problem when you post something told to you in good faith is that it is nothing more than an unfounded rumor and can set off a number of provoking discussions especially when the topic touches a sensitive nerve or subject. BTW I abide (at least I think I do) by the deed restrictions.



You are so right Caroline...AND BY THE WAY....Do you folks know this poster, Caroline, is a male who lives in Caroline? And always the voice of reason.

This is a rumor, but probably the rules need to be brought to the attention of potential buyers. It sure hit MY hot button.:undecided:

And VillagesFlorida who is a girl and NOT VillagesFl who is a guy...VillagesFlorida...anyone who has read your posts would know that you are kind and sensitive. (I wish you'd put your sweet picture on again, because I had you mixed up for awhile)

What would we do without each other to point out things and make us think?[/QUOTE]
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[Happinow]

That would be me.

:agree:

[rtime]

Here my take on this. When you move in you are given a set of rules and regulations. If you don't like the rules and regulations move some where else. We moved into our previous subdivision because of the rules. You sign for the CCR's at closing. But there is always someone that think the rules don't apply to them. Having spent 4 years on the board it is a never ending struggle to make people understand these rules are there for a reason. 99.9 percent of the people move there because of the rules. I know it's hard to turn someone end but the rules are the rules. I have no problem turning someone in. The rules must be enforced or it will start looking like and becoming like any other area in the county. If you don't like the rules don't move here.

[paulandjean]

I think I got it. Will not be adding on to our place. Will not do any construction work on the house. The "Pistol Police" will turn me in.Better keep better track on the number of days the grandkids visit.

[The Village Girl]

I think I got it. Better keep better track on the number of days the grandkids visit.


By George, I think he's got it! *emphasis on heavy English accent!*

[RCR]

I'm amazed at the number of people who without knowing the cicrcumstances are willing to have children with or without disabilities thrown out of the Villages! Why don't they challange all the obnoxious dog owners who completly disregard the rules and regulations concerning pets? (Oh No! Not my sweet poochie!)

[rubicon]

There were two grandmothers living here whom had a grandchild going to school here. They alternating living locations every 30 days to confuse people

[Number 6]

There were two grandmothers living here whom had a grandchild going to school here. They alternating living locations every 30 days to confuse people

So this falls into the "it's only illegal if you get caught" school of thought. I guess honoring your word has become passe'.

[Bogie Shooter]

There were two grandmothers living here whom had a grandchild going to school here. They alternating living locations every 30 days to confuse people

Some run stop signs, there's always people who will break the rules.

[Happinow]

I am very surprised, if this is the case, that there are children being allowed to live in TV. The reason my husband and I are moving there is because it is an adult community with strict rules. This is where we want to retire and spend our "golden years". Rules are rules, you break them with something big like this and someone should turn you in. I'm not a snip or a rat but we are all paying for a lifestyle and to let people break the rules on this one would be sending the wrong message. I want what I'm paying for and that is an adult community with everything in it's place and no children. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt!

[downeaster]

Assuming that the original post is correct and a house is being expanded to accommodate young children living with grandparents, we are told by some that we should ignore it. OK, but where should the line be drawn? What other restrictions can we ignore in order to mind our own business? If I have a neighbor who has a partly dismantled car in his driveway, is that OK? Or how about the neighbor who refuses to maintain his landscaping so his weed seeds blow onto others' properties? What about the neighbor who is running a business out of his home resulting in a lot of vehicular traffic and parked cars on our street all day and night? Ignore that, too?

If we start determining which regulations we will abide by and which we allow ourselves to ignore, we start on the slippery slope toward a community with ever decreasing value.

We had a wonderful neighbor who, due to circumstances beyond his control, was forced to take in his daughter and her young children. Since 30 days would not be enough, and, knowing the rules, he sold his house and moved out of TV so he could do what he had to. No one had to force him to do this. He knew what was right and what was wrong.

The attitude that "I'll break the rules and wait for them to catch me" is abhorrent to me. I was not brought up that way.

A lot of good points have been made here supporting deed restriction enforcement and I think mikeod has made a good case. His comment relative to the "slippery slope" should be seriously considered.

I am a former Florida licensed real estate broker and former resident of a number of deed restricted communities. I have seen first hand the results where restrictions are waived, overlooked or ignored. It doesn't take long for real problems to arise including reduction in property values. Another result is neighbor versus neighbor. HOA meetings get real nasty.

I am a lot more comfortable in our CDD governed community as opposed to a HOA governed community.

[rhredd1654]

I am very surprised, if this is the case, that there are children being allowed to live in TV. The reason my husband and I are moving there is because it is an adult community with strict rules. This is where we want to retire and spend our "golden years". Rules are rules, you break them with something big like this and someone should turn you in. I'm not a snip or a rat but we are all paying for a lifestyle and to let people break the rules on this one would be sending the wrong message. I want what I'm paying for and that is an adult community with everything in it's place and no children. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt!

:agree:

[graciegirl]

Children under the age of 19 are NOT allowed to live in The Villages.

I would guess that this is incorrect information that has been repeated... (a rumor) or it has not yet been brought to the attention of the people who enforce deed restrictions if it is true. The overwhelming feeling of most people is to not allow this rule to be broken.

There have been many sad situations discussed on this forum; military parents deployed to the war zone, illness, financial difficulties, loss of homes, but none the less, sad as it is, children are not allowed to live here.

Sad and hard as it sounds, an infraction leads to no rules at all. Houses are not hard to sell in The Villages thank goodness, so it is not as difficult to move nearby, as it might be in other areas of the country, if grandchildren must live with their grandparents.

If we had small grandchilden and they were orphaned or neglected and needed to live with us, I would be adult enough to realize that we had to make a change and move out of this community. I wouldn't try to force my life situation on other people and I think most people would do the same. Living here is a privilege, not a right.

[jpharmat]

Well said Graciegirl.

[Boudicca]

We deliberately selected to live here BECAUSE OF THE RULES. I agree with sweet Gracie's sensible comments entirely. When we lived in VA, we too looked after our adult son, and his children but did not think for one minute to have them all move here with us. We did our bit..................

[redwitch]

I do know of instances where children have lived in TV under the age of 19. I'm not saying I condone it nor am I condemning it. Two of the incidents were extraordinary circumstances (one was grandparents waiting to sell their home because they would be raising their grandchild; the other was a temporary situation). Another incident that I have heard of but honestly don't know if true is that in one of the Bridgeport villages kids have been growing up in TV for several years. In each of these three instances, neighbors did not report them to Community Watch. So, it is against the rules but TV cannot do anything about it without someone reporting that a child has been here more than 30 days.

[CarGuys]

Right on Gracie.

I would do the same. In a Heartbeat Ruth and I would move back North if I had to raise them grandkids for a unfortunate reason.

But I would not move them here. I can't wait till they come visit!

And RedWitch I Love the Buffalo Pic you have! But that was another past thread !

[natickdan]

Children under the age of 19 are NOT allowed to live in The Villages.

I would guess that this is incorrect information that has been repeated... (a rumor) or it has not yet been brought to the attention of the people who enforce deed restrictions if it is true. The overwhelming feeling of most people is to not allow this rule to be broken.

There have been many sad situations discussed on this forum; military parents deployed to the war zone, illness, financial difficulties, loss of homes, but none the less, sad as it is, children are not allowed to live here.

Sad and hard as it sounds, an infraction leads to no rules at all. Houses are not hard to sell in The Villages thank goodness, so it is not as difficult to move nearby, as it might be in other areas of the country, if grandchildren must live with their grandparents.

If we had small grandchilden and they were orphaned or neglected and needed to live with us, I would be adult enough to realize that we had to make a change and move out of this community. I wouldn't try to force my life situation on other people and I think most people would do the same. Living here is a privilege, not a right.

Spot on! When we decided to purchase a home in Florida we could have saved many thousands of dollars by buying elsewhere, but we fell in love with both The Villages and.....its rules.

Yes, life throws us unexpected curve balls and for anyone thinking of moving into a 55+ community - anywhere, they need to understand and abide by those local rules and restrictions.

I'm not, on any level, suggesting we count the days of children who visit their grandparents stay to make sure they do not violate thier maximun stay. For me, life is too short to worry about children extending their stay.

If I were to notice a neighbor that had a child ( not disabled ) living with them for several months, I would not hesitate to have a discussion with that neighbor and, if necessary, then contact TV. I say "if necessary" because there are always extenuating circumstances that may require temporary help of family members living in TV.

On a closing note, I draw the line when I see one neighbor with a double wide trailer in their driveway serving as a second home for their friends and/or another peddling hot dogs from their lawn.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and Winter Solstice.

[asianthree]

Ok let's remember Santa is checking his list for the nauty and nice... kids or no kids lets let whomever have a HAPPY HOLIDAY or Merry Christmas... This link should rest until after the holidays..Peace on Earth or or at least in TV.

[The Village Girl]

Ok let's remember Santa is checking his list for the nauty and nice... kids or no kids lets let whomever have a HAPPY HOLIDAY or Merry Christmas... This link should rest until after the holidays..Peace on Earth or or at least in TV.

Again... You brought it to the top of the pile to tell everyone to let it rest??? Really????

And... What's with people deciding when a thread should "rest" the thread rests when the last person posts, the OP makes a request OR the Admin decides.

Ok.... crawling back under my rock again.... Carry on!

[RichieB]

:agree: WHOLEHEARTEDLY !

[tpop1]

I seem to remember reading in The Daily Sun a few years ago about a couple who had to take in a grandchild and had to move out of The Villages.

No whining, no knashing of teeth...they were just moving and spoke of their plans to move back when the child went off on their own. They knew the rules and were following them.

I think the story was in The Sun as a purpose piece!!!

One of the problem with letting some people abridge the rules while all others follow them, is establishing an unlevel field. Where's the fairness for this couple when others ignore the rules....

There are choices...one can do the adult thing and chose to follow the rules or one can sneak around.

A good creedo to follow .......
Know the rules (children, dogs, speeds, parking, use of ammenities, etc.)
Follow the rules,
Don't whine about the rules!

[TF Hutch]

Are all these rules posted somewhere so wanabees can be introduced to them? Perhaps one only sees the rules at closing.

[Bogie Shooter]

Are all these rules posted somewhere so wanabees can be introduced to them? Perhaps one only sees the rules at closing.

Here you go...........enjoy!
http://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/download.aspx

[TF Hutch]

Thank you Bogie shooter, most helpful.

[paulandjean]

Makes you wonder. Why did they build the the schools on campus? Over 1000 students under 19 years of age. Did you ever go to Burger King, CVS or Walgreens after school lets out, nothing but kids.Do you see how many kids go into the villages gates after school?Maybe lots of kids going to grandma;s home after school. Do you really have to work for the villages to attend. If you work the concession stand or work the gate,is this satisfactory as far as working for the villages?Posting this to show that anyone under 19 cannot stay here is not quite true. Look around you see it.

[2 Oldcrabs]

There are some people on this site that act so sweet,so many people just love them,but actually they are very mean women.

Sounds like the ex-wife must live here!:boxing2:

[NotGolfer]

Makes you wonder. Why did they build the the schools on campus? Over 1000 students under 19 years of age. Did you ever go to Burger King, CVS or Walgreens after school lets out, nothing but kids.Do you see how many kids go into the villages gates after school?Maybe lots of kids going to grandma;s home after school. Do you really have to work for the villages to attend. If you work the concession stand or work the gate,is this satisfactory as far as working for the villages?Posting this to show that anyone under 19 cannot stay here is not quite true. Look around you see it.

The schools are built for the folks who work in TV and are parents!! NOT for folks who want to break the rules! I know for a fact that there are parents who work here JUST for the schools. I had a conversationn with a gal who worked in a local chiropractic office...lives in Ocala but brings her child(ren) here to school. I'm sure there are many such folks!!!

[Bogie Shooter]

Makes you wonder. Why did they build the the schools on campus? Over 1000 students under 19 years of age. Did you ever go to Burger King, CVS or Walgreens after school lets out, nothing but kids.Do you see how many kids go into the villages gates after school?Maybe lots of kids going to grandma;s home after school. Do you really have to work for the villages to attend. If you work the concession stand or work the gate,is this satisfactory as far as working for the villages?Posting this to show that anyone under 19 cannot stay here is not quite true. Look around you see it.

Just what gates are you referring to??

[Figmo Bohica]

This is not a gated community, it is a community with gates. Big difference.

[Harry Gilbert]

A HYPOTHETICAL but plausable and probably common scenario:

Grandpa and Grandma sell their house wherever and move to TV, Their income is sufficient to live on but savings aren't enough to just buy another house somewhere else without selling their home in TV first. Now for some reason they have to take in a child. They try to do the right thing and list the house in TV at a reasonable price and plan on moving but the house doesn't sell for months.

They have broken the rules! So what do they do? Give the house away? Put the kid(s) into foster care? live on the streets?

Sound far fetched? probably not.

From the tone of some posts I would bet that some would be OK with saying GET OUT and not care about the reason they got pushed into a situation they didn't expect or that they were trying to "Do the right thing"

[bike42]

Makes you wonder. Why did they build the the schools on campus? Over 1000 students under 19 years of age. Did you ever go to Burger King, CVS or Walgreens after school lets out, nothing but kids.Do you see how many kids go into the villages gates after school?Maybe lots of kids going to grandma;s home after school. Do you really have to work for the villages to attend. If you work the concession stand or work the gate,is this satisfactory as far as working for the villages?Posting this to show that anyone under 19 cannot stay here is not quite true. Look around you see it.

The children who go to The Villages Charter Schools DO NOT live in The Villages. They are children of employees of TV or any business located in TV. They may live in one of the three family neighborhoods (Spring Arbor, Bison Valley, Oak Ridge) or in any of the surrounding communities. Residents of TV's family neighborhoods cannot use TV facilities (golf courses, pools, recreation centers, etc.) They CAN go to stores, movies, restaurants and town squares, walk or drive on the streets and pass through the gates, as can ANYONE of any age from anywhere.

You might want to learn more about The Villages Charter Schools. See http://www.thevillagescharterschool.org/centralOffice/enrollment.asp. Many people say they are the best public schools in the State of Florida.

[paulandjean]

They are not a florida public school,they are a charter school.Big difference.

[Bogie Shooter]

They are not a florida public school,they are a charter school.Big difference.

And your point is??

[graciegirl]

A HYPOTHETICAL but plausable and probably common scenario:

Grandpa and Grandma sell their house wherever and move to TV, Their income is sufficient to live on but savings aren't enough to just buy another house somewhere else without selling their home in TV first. Now for some reason they have to take in a child. They try to do the right thing and list the house in TV at a reasonable price and plan on moving but the house doesn't sell for months.

They have broken the rules! So what do they do? Give the house away? Put the kid(s) into foster care? live on the streets?

Sound far fetched? probably not.

From the tone of some posts I would bet that some would be OK with saying GET OUT and not care about the reason they got pushed into a situation they didn't expect or that they were trying to "Do the right thing"

Harry.

I read some of your old posts to see what is your perspective. I think that I understand that you are considering The Villages and have not yet visited here...this may have changed since some of your earlier posts asking if all homes were modular etc.

It will be a nice surprise when you arrive, if you have not done so, to see just what an incredible place this is. It is HUGE. It is CLEAN. It is filled with busy happy people in there pretty homes and on their pretty bikes and in their handsome golf carts. It is unlike anyplace I had ever seen before.

One of the reasons is that the rules are enforced. There is not someone's grandsons car up on blocks...anywhere. No swingsets, no fences, no signs in yards even allowed south of 466. There are hundreds of restaurants and a huge total of 42 golf courses if you count both executive and championship...acres of lovely planting, beautiful. beautiful.beautiful.

There is an incredible amount of building and selling homes here as many do move on to the village of heavenly. We didn't even advertise our home for sale. Someone asked us to sell it to them. Houses aren't hard to sell here.

Children aren't allowed to live here. The rules are enforced. As soon as they would be discovered, other plans would have to be put in place.

I don't think anyone would have to put a child in foster care but they might have to rent out their home...not too hard to do. As you will see as you visit here and read this forum.

Moving out and moving back in again is less expensive here than it is up North or out East or out West. Or you could rent or sell your home furnished and buy a much less expensive one also furnished somewhere else in Florida.

It would take a grown up attitude and grown up work ethic but most of us who live here have that. It would require a change of plans but not necessarily an awful scenario.

It is something for everyone to think about who is considering moving here.

Gracie the mean.

[The Village Girl]

awwww Gracie, you couldn't be mean if your tried.....

The Villages is the most beautiful place I have ever lived.... Mile upon miles of cart paths going through nothing but beauty! Lovely landscaped yards as far as the eye can see.

That's why we came here, that's why our property values didn't dump like the rest of the US in 2008 and that's why they are building so many homes every month.

Come on down and.... As Gracie would say "drink the Kool-aid"

[paulandjean]

and the point is---Someone stated "one of the best public schools in Florida, They are not a public school,they are a charter school. operate on a different playing level.

[mac9]

Gracie, Your stating that people should follow the rules is anything but mean. We all, at some time, have to face major life changing situations, such as a grandparent having to raise a grandchild or moving away from family and friends whether for employment or retirement or death in our family. We may seek advice or help from friends in making a final decision, but we must make that final decision on our own. What we shouldn't do is expect the rest of the world (or community) to change to adapt to our individual situation. After the initial shock of having to make that decision, we need to move forward.

[2BNTV]

A HYPOTHETICAL but plausable and probably common scenario:

Grandpa and Grandma sell their house wherever and move to TV, Their income is sufficient to live on but savings aren't enough to just buy another house somewhere else without selling their home in TV first. Now for some reason they have to take in a child. They try to do the right thing and list the house in TV at a reasonable price and plan on moving but the house doesn't sell for months.

They have broken the rules! So what do they do? Give the house away? Put the kid(s) into foster care? live on the streets?

Sound far fetched? probably not.

From the tone of some posts I would bet that some would be OK with saying GET OUT and not care about the reason they got pushed into a situation they didn't expect or that they were trying to "Do the right thing"

I was going to post something like this along similar lines. I can see if someone was forced into a situation where this dilemna would require doing something in an immediate fashion. I would feel that one might be overwhelmed in dealing with this type of situation. With that being said, the other side of the coin might be if someone decided to extend their living quarters without the proper approval and was in the mind set that I can do what I want. Being able to move from TV to another place would be a lot easier than other parts of the country as homes sell much quicker.

I'm sure most people want to follow the rules and do the right thing. If everyone was allowed to do what they want and not follow the rules, TV beauty would be diminished and affect property values.

As always, these types of issues are not clear cut and I'm sure the powers to be are not so cold heated as to not allow ample time to faciltate a happy resolution for all concerned.

[bike42]

and the point is---Someone stated "one of the best public schools in Florida, They are not a public school,they are a charter school. operate on a different playing level.

They are public schools, funded with your tax dollars. From the Florida Board of Education website:

"Charter schools are public schools that operate under a performance contract, or a “charter” which frees them from many regulations created for traditional public schools while holding them accountable for academic and financial results."

More at http://www.floridaschoolchoice.org/information/charter_schools/faqs.asp

TV's Charter Schools help to attract quality professionals (such as doctors and nurses), stores and other businesses to come here.

[The Shadow]

This is a surprise, just listed today a home in TV.

703 HARPER PL
THE VILLAGES, FL 32159-3010
VLS# 210635
3 Bed 2 Bath / 1392 Sq. Ft.
$149,000

Perfect location is an understatement! You and your children are sure to love this beautiful established neighborhood of Village families. Convenient to restaurants and a short golf car ride to the Rolling Acres Shopping Center.

http://www.thevillages.com/homes/vls/pohdetail/vlsdetail4.aspx?vlsnum=210635

[graciegirl]

This is a surprise, just listed today a home in TV.

703 HARPER PL
THE VILLAGES, FL 32159-3010
VLS# 210635
3 Bed 2 Bath / 1392 Sq. Ft.
$149,000



http://www.thevillages.com/homes/vls/pohdetail/vlsdetail4.aspx?vlsnum=210635


Oak Meadows is a family community adjacent to TV.
It is one of the communities for people who work here.

[Jim 9922]

This is a surprise, just listed today a home in TV.

703 HARPER PL
THE VILLAGES, FL 32159-3010
VLS# 210635
3 Bed 2 Bath / 1392 Sq. Ft.
$149,000



http://www.thevillages.com/homes/vls/pohdetail/vlsdetail4.aspx?vlsnum=210635

That area was built for families and was intended for people working in TV. The subdivision has no direct access to TV and they do not have the same amenity rights as Villagers'. There is another one on the west side of TV. That development was completed last year.

[buggyone]

The Villages High School has an excellent record for graduating seniors to attend college. I believe I saw it was about 92%. Not too many high schools can say that!

[dillywho]

This is also Villages properties section and is designed for families with children. They have no amenity privileges or the associated fees.

[Harry Gilbert]

Harry.

I read some of your old posts to see what is your perspective. I think that I understand that you are considering The Villages and have not yet visited here...this may have changed since some of your earlier posts asking if all homes were modular etc.

It will be a nice surprise when you arrive, if you have not done so, to see just what an incredible place this is. It is HUGE. It is CLEAN. It is filled with busy happy people in there pretty homes and on their pretty bikes and in their handsome golf carts. It is unlike anyplace I had ever seen before.

One of the reasons is that the rules are enforced. There is not someone's grandsons car up on blocks...anywhere. No swingsets, no fences, no signs in yards even allowed south of 466. There are hundreds of restaurants and a huge total of 42 golf courses if you count both executive and championship...acres of lovely planting, beautiful. beautiful.beautiful.

quote shortened to save space

Since you have seem to taken an interest in me I will give my perspective on TV and this subject in particular.

My wife and I have made 1 visit so far and have another planned for this spring. We have no doubts about the positives but I will continue to delve out the warts. How else can you make an informed decision?

As far as the rules are concerned I have no problem with them. But the enforcement has to include common sense. I spent 25 years as a LEO and the majority of laws are black and white but there are plenty of gray areas. ie what defines a home business?

In keeping with the child scenario can you make new living arraignments in 30 days or less? If you have custody of children thrust upon you there will likely also be legal issues that go with it. And finding a new address with an immediate availability could be tricky. I am not advocating ignoring the rule(s) but to keep in mind we are not discussing a lawn ornament, Some things take time.

I would like to correct the part of your post concerning modular homes in TV, the conversation was concerning the historic side not ALL of TV

[tpop1]

A HYPOTHETICAL but plausable and probably common scenario:

Grandpa and Grandma sell their house wherever and move to TV, Their income is sufficient to live on but savings aren't enough to just buy another house somewhere else without selling their home in TV first. Now for some reason they have to take in a child. They try to do the right thing and list the house in TV at a reasonable price and plan on moving but the house doesn't sell for months.

They have broken the rules! So what do they do? Give the house away? Put the kid(s) into foster care? live on the streets?

Sound far fetched? probably not.

From the tone of some posts I would bet that some would be OK with saying GET OUT and not care about the reason they got pushed into a situation they didn't expect or that they were trying to "Do the right thing"

I tend to not believe this "HYPOTHETICAL" scenario is "probably common."

If it was we would see more of it happening. I live in a Village of over 500 units and feel reasonably assured that there isn't one case...I pretty sure we would know about it...we know when people have visitors, never mind grandchildren living there.

Its a slippery slope if its allowed....
Hypothetical scenario - 1 child living next door to you, OK?
How about 2 children.....3...4....etc.? At what point do you become concerned?

Some immediate ways of possibly "doing the right things"...

Rent out the TV home and rent in another location which allows children,
Try selling the TV house(things turn over pretty quickly here in TV) and rent or buy somewhere else,
Seek assistance from family, church, state for alternative living arrangements.

Adults find a way! Others just want their way!

[thelegges]

I was just wondering if there are young children living here due to a personal problem would not someone notice. Unless they have them hidden in a closet (problem in itself) i would think they would be outside and going to and from school. If so whoever lives near them must know...are they just keeping quiet?

[Bogie Shooter]

I was just wondering if there are young children living here due to a personal problem would not someone notice. Unless they have them hidden in a closet (problem in itself) i would think they would be outside and going to and from school. If so whoever lives near them must know...are they just keeping quiet?

Could be.............

[cappyjon431]

Adults find a way! Others just want their way!

Never heard this before, but I like it!

[jgbama]

As a "gonnabee", and a parent of a 27-year old, I'm ready to be with just "kids" my own age! I've developed into an "old geezer" who likes to eat out without whiny kids next to me. I don't even like the idea of any kids living with parents in TV (special needs excluded). Yes, our son lives at home here, but won't be making the move to TV with us. Once we move, that will be a time for DW and I to enjoy each other. We have "given" all our live and now I'm ready to "take" some time just for US!!

I know many of you will have exception to my opinion, but isn't that what we all do here (express our opinion)?

Keep in mind that we fell in love with TV in 2005 and aren't there yet, so we are SO HUNGRY to be with "kids" our own age. In my opinion, everyone should be at least 55. :spoken:

[angiefox10]

As a "gonnabee", and a parent of a 27-year old, I'm ready to be with just "kids" my own age! I've developed into an "old geezer" who likes to eat out without whiny kids next to me. I don't even like the idea of any kids living with parents in TV (special needs excluded). Yes, our son lives at home here, but won't be making the move to TV with us. Once we move, that will be a time for DW and I to enjoy each other. We have "given" all our live and now I'm ready to "take" some time just for US!!

I know many of you will have exception to my opinion, but isn't that what we all do here (express our opinion)?

Keep in mind that we fell in love with TV in 2005 and aren't there yet, so we are SO HUNGRY to be with "kids" our own age. In my opinion, everyone should be at least 55. :spoken:

Nope... I can't find an argument here.

I guess I don't understand why so many parents are handing their kids over to others to raise them and if you do find that you can no longer raise you children, why hand them over to people who are really too old to give them the life they should have. Are there not younger family members who can take them? People with kids they can play with? People who can move a lot easier and faster then someone 55, 65, or 75 years old?

For many people this is the time of our lives that many children have to start taking care of their parents. Instead, they are sending their children to the parents?

I agree with the poster who said that.... it's not fair for children to live in a place with only old people.

For now..... I'm done!

[jgbama]

Nope... I can't find an argument here.

I guess I don't understand why so many parents are handing their kids over to others to raise them and if you do find that you can no longer raise you children, why hand them over to people who are really too old to give them the life they should have. Are there not younger family members who can take them? People with kids they can play with? People who can move a lot easier and faster then someone 55, 65, or 75 years old?

For many people this is the time of our lives that many children have to start taking care of their parents. Instead, they are sending their children to the parents?

I agree with the poster who said that.... it's not fair for children to live in a place with only old people.

For now..... I'm done!

:agree:

Here is another reason: I just heard a go-cart running up and down our street here. I walked up the driveway and the driver was all of 10 or 12!

You guessed it. . . DUMB parents giving pre-teens a :cus: go cart for Christmas! If grandkids start moving to TV, get ready for some of the same! Grandparents are many times worse than parents in "spoiling" their "little darlings"!! REMEMBER - the definition of a brat is a kid who behaves like your's but belongs to a neighbor! :)

I DON'T WANT THAT IN TV!!! I'm sick of young people who don't take the precautions to avoid children when they themselves are still a teenager! I couldn't agree more with your statement about "passing" the kids on to someone else to raise. Haven't we done our part?? Is our reward being given our grandkids to raise? I THINK NOT! :yuck:

I love your last sentence "For now . . . I'm done!" :coolsmiley: You ROCK Angiefox10!

[SgtJohn]

:agree:

[cappyjon431]

Keep in mind that we fell in love with TV in 2005 and aren't there yet, so we are SO HUNGRY to be with "kids" our own age. In my opinion, everyone should be at least 55. :spoken:


I agree with most of your argument, but I take exception to the above statement. We became frogs in September and I will turn 50 next month. Are you saying I shouldn't be here?

[tommy steam]

This looks like a huge issue by looking at all the responces to this thread. I did notice a lot ogf younger people ,in there 20s or so at the different resturants and bars a while back.

[BookBarb]

The past couple of days when I have been at the sport's pool shortly after 7:00AM, there have been teenagers/young adults in the pool. It is clearly stated that these pools are for residents only. Are grandparents not aware of the rule or do they choose to ignore it? Maybe that is why the kids are there so early (when they feel that no one is checking???) Should there be large signs on each door emphasizing that the pool is for residents only? If this is happening over the Christmas season when grandchildren are here, does it also happen in the summer? I really want to enjoy swimming/water walking in the pool without being run over by people who shouldn't be there in the first place!:spoken:

[Mikeod]

This looks like a huge issue by looking at all the responces to this thread. I did notice a lot ogf younger people ,in there 20s or so at the different resturants and bars a while back.

You will regularly see a lot of young people around and about in TV. They are generally friends and relatives of residents, or locals who frequent the shops and restaurants here.All the businesses here are open to anyone, except Katie Bells which is for residents and their guests.

Remember that the restriction applies to persons under 19, so it is fine if someone has an adult (19 or older) living with them. This thread is more concerned with people under 19 living here beyond the 30 day annual limit and/or those who choose to ignore the deed restrictions.

[Barefoot]

This looks like a huge issue by looking at all the responces to this thread. I did notice a lot ogf younger people ,in there 20s or so at the different resturants and bars a while back.

Most restaurants, (K. Belles excepted), bars, town squares, stores and movies are open to the public and many young people from outside TV are patrons. 20 year olds can live with their parents in TV.

[jbdlfan]

The Villages High School has an excellent record for graduating seniors to attend college. I believe I saw it was about 92%. Not too many high schools can say that!

When you control the student population, this is not that hard to realize, but I'm pretty sure 92% is on the high side.

[jbdlfan]

The schools are built for the folks who work in TV and are parents!! NOT for folks who want to break the rules! I know for a fact that there are parents who work here JUST for the schools. I had a conversationn with a gal who worked in a local chiropractic office...lives in Ocala but brings her child(ren) here to school. I'm sure there are many such folks!!!

I'm pretty sure they can't attend The Charter School. You must provide an address to the school when registering and a Villages address would be a huge red flag. I teach off sight and have 4 students that are currently living in The Village. All are extreme hardship cases that were totally unforseen.

[jbdlfan]

I'm sorry for the last post, it was in response to this actually:



Makes you wonder. Why did they build the the schools on campus? Over 1000 students under 19 years of age. Did you ever go to Burger King, CVS or Walgreens after school lets out, nothing but kids.Do you see how many kids go into the villages gates after school?Maybe lots of kids going to grandma;s home after school. Do you really have to work for the villages to attend. If you work the concession stand or work the gate,is this satisfactory as far as working for the villages?Posting this to show that anyone under 19 cannot stay here is not quite true. Look around you see it.

[graciegirl]

I'm pretty sure they can't attend The Charter School. You must provide an address to the school when registering and a Villages address would be a huge red flag. I teach off sight and have 4 students that are currently living in The Village. All are extreme hardship cases that were totally unforseen.

Are you saying they live with their grandparents in The Villages? Or are they living in one of the adjacent family communities?

I am not trying to argue with you jbdfan. I just like to quell rumors. It is very hard to do that when most of us are posting anonymously.

The charter school does not have to continue to educate a child who breaks their rules.

I read one of your posts that said you were looking for a long term rental in TV. And another one that said you have a child in the Charter School. Perhaps he is now over 19.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by jbdlfan
I'm pretty sure they can't attend The Charter School. You must provide an address to the school when registering and a Villages address would be a huge red flag. I teach off sight and have 4 students that are currently living in The Village. All are extreme hardship cases that were totally unforseen.

I hope you do not teach English as I am sure you meant "off site". LOL

[jbdlfan]

Are you saying they live with their grandparents in The Villages? Or are they living in one of the adjacent family communities?

I am not trying to argue with you jbdfan. I just like to quell rumors. It is very hard to do that when most of us are posting anonymously.

The charter school does not have to continue to educate a child who breaks their rules.

I read one of your posts that said you were looking for a long term rental in TV. And another one that said you have a child in the Charter School. Perhaps he is now over 19.

Yes, my son is now 19 and no the students I mentioned do not attend the charter school but do live in The Villages.

[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by jbdlfan
I'm pretty sure they can't attend The Charter School. You must provide an address to the school when registering and a Villages address would be a huge red flag. I teach off sight and have 4 students that are currently living in The Village. All are extreme hardship cases that were totally unforseen.

I hope you do not teach English as I am sure you meant "off site". LOL

Yes, I do teach English!!!!

[chuckster]

This is getting good...................and then he/she said..:popcorn::popcorn:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

This is getting good...................and then he/she said..:popcorn::popcorn:

Pass some of that down this way, chuckster! :D

:popcorn:

Bill :)

[graciegirl]

I wonder.............

[CarGuys]

Yes, I do teach English!!!!

Oh nooooooooo! After 35 years of trying to teach English to Vocational Students who could give a R--- A-- about it . Unless it had to do with HP.

It's our no stress! TOTV. People like me with arthritis and typos are everywhere!

Bill - pass the :popcorn: I can't spell it

[Skybo]

I hope you do not teach English as I am sure you meant "off site". LOL

Come on man... I know the difference between “sight” and “site”, but I’ve made the same typo when posting. If you have to nit-pick spelling and/or grammar, then you must not be able to find fault with his/her argument.

[jbdlfan]

The Villages High School has an excellent record for graduating seniors to attend college. I believe I saw it was about 92%. Not too many high schools can say that!

I thought this number was high so I took a closer look. My son graduated last year with a graduating class around 120ish, if memory serves me correctly. According to that statistic, that would leave only about 10 students not going to college. I know personally at least 6 that did not go on to further their education. Considering only about 60% of the students even took the SAT, I would venture to guess that number is substantially lower. By the way, the average SAT score was only 1490, not that impressive, certainly not remarkable. Sometimes you just can't buy all the hype.

[angiefox10]

World Class Results for Student and Community
Director of The Villages Charter Schools, Dr. Randy McDaniel, reports that TVCS has established an overall graduation rate over 99% (with a dropout rate of a mere 0.2%). This year’s graduating class has 93% of its seniors going on to higher education programs. He says that the elementary, middle, and high schools have a consistent record of “A” rating by the State of Florida and the TVCS High School is one of only 30 in the state with five straight years of “A” rating. Businesses in The Villages claim that TVCS is a great recruiting and retention feature. Dr. McDaniel agrees, adding that about 35% of his students’ families are in medical practices in The Villages.


http://www.thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=31&article=705

[jbdlfan]

World Class Results for Student and Community
Director of The Villages Charter Schools, Dr. Randy McDaniel, reports that TVCS has established an overall graduation rate over 99% (with a dropout rate of a mere 0.2%). This year’s graduating class has 93% of its seniors going on to higher education programs. He says that the elementary, middle, and high schools have a consistent record of “A” rating by the State of Florida and the TVCS High School is one of only 30 in the state with five straight years of “A” rating. Businesses in The Villages claim that TVCS is a great recruiting and retention feature. Dr. McDaniel agrees, adding that about 35% of his students’ families are in medical practices in The Villages.


http://www.thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=31&article=705

As I have said, don't buy the hype. The graduation number is controlled by the stdents junior year. Funny how Dr. McDaviel can tell us how many students are going on to college BEFORE the fall semester has started. Did he mention the decrease in writing and science scores? Look, I'm not here to just bash the school, but you folks that think this school is the utopian answer are sadly mistaken. Our kids aren't abe to compete for attendance at the higher level colleges due to the lack of IB programs. If I knew four years ago what I know now, my kid would have went elsewhere, that is from a teacher, a coach, and as the parent of a 4.35 gpa and 1900 SAT kid. And before you want to tell me that the Charter school was responsible for that, his test scores dropped sinced attending here.....

[graciegirl]

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[chuckinca]

Good one GG

(when did the max SAT go from 1600 to ______ 1900?)


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[Grannynance]

Your right jblfan about hype not only at school all over the place newspaper, TV, this site.got to sell houses make the money make hay while the sun shines.

[memason]

Your right jblfan about hype not only at school all over the place newspaper, TV, this site.got to sell houses make the money make hay while the sun shines.

HA HA... I'm gonna be mean!

Looks like you were a student in jblfan's English class

So sorry :laugh:

[Grannynance]

You couldnot not be to mean English wasn't my best class, but then again I did not go to an uptown school. Just thought the post would get the dogs up running after all I know I was talking about sacred ground.

[cappyjon431]

HA HA... I'm gonna be mean!

Looks like you were a student in jblfan's English class

So sorry :laugh:

As a former English teacher, I think you should promptly be sent to the office for your misbehavior.

On a serious note, you are probably aware that some people might not have had the opportunity to achieve the same level of education as others and that some people suffer from learning disabilities. So why would you write something that could be extremely hurtful to others just to try to be funny?

[angiefox10]

When I see the kids at The Villages schools, they look NOTHING like the kids in my neighborhood here. I live in middle class hometown USA and the kids still like to look like gangstas.

Even if the numbers ARE "hype", I suspect the numbers are better then most schools in the US. Why don't you check out the rest of the Florida schools. I know that in my previous life I was a public speaker and I would speak at many of the high schools in and around Chicago and the burbs. Trust me, these kids would give their eye teeth to have the opportunity to go to The Villages Schools.

I'm sorry to see that some of the people don't appreciate it, because trust me.... many of the kids here, don't have the opportunity to go to a higher education and that's from some of the better school districts here. :boxing2:

[cappyjon431]

When I see the kids at The Villages schools, they look NOTHING like the kids in my neighborhood here. I live in middle class hometown USA and the kids still like to look like gangstas.

Even if the numbers ARE "hype", I suspect the numbers are better then most schools in the US. Why don't you check out the rest of the Florida schools. I know that in my previous life I was a public speaker and I would speak at many of the high schools in and around Chicago and the burbs. Trust me, these kids would give their eye teeth to have the opportunity to go to school at The Villages Schools.

I'm sorry to see that some of the people don't appreciate it because trust me.... many of the kids here, don't have the opportunity to go to a higher education and that's from some of the better school districts here. :boxing2:

While I am not a strong believer in the ability of standardized testing as a method for demonstrating school quality, The Villages High School outperforms the majority of public schools in Florida in most measurable areas.

Check out the data from this link and be certain to scroll down ad look at all the data: http://www.city-data.com/school/the-villages-charter-high-fl.html

I am not affiliated with The Villages schools, but I am a former educator and I occasionally substitute for the Sumter County School District. My general impression of the Villages Charter High School is that it is very good (not great) as far as academics and that the kids are much better behaved than at most other schools I have worked. Perhaps it is due to the fact that because it is a charter school, most students (and more importantly their parents consider themselves lucky to attend this school. My wife works at The Villages Hospital and most of the nurses she works with took jobs at this hospital ONLY so their kids can attend The Villages schools.

[Grannynance]

Thank you all for your kind replies as for schools I think they all do a wonderful job..

[jbdlfan]

Good one GG

(when did the max SAT go from 1600 to ______ 1900?)


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Um.... perfect score is now 2400. 1800 will get you into Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, but if you want Duke, Stanford, or better you better score 2000 or higher along with AP and IP courses. One of the charter school top three was turned down by Duke because of lack of IB experience. Is a school expected to have a high graduation rate or are they obligated to prepare students to take the next step. It's seems to me that a school of such high caliber could do both.
I'm done with this discussion. I know what our experience has been, and I know what else is out there. You can continue to be delusional, shiny new building and all....

[angiefox10]

Thank you all for your kind replies as for schools I think they all do a wonderful job..

Oh Grannynance,

I wish that were true. Until you have been in a high school that doesn't have air and the kids are falling asleep because they had to work the night before so are falling asleep in the hot room. Until you have been in a grade school whose windows haven't seen a window cleaner and are chained and bolted on the inside. Until you have been in a school the kids had to sit on the floor because there weren't enough desks or enough teachers for the students.

You would not know that all the schools do not and can not do a "wonderful job".

Maybe the people who put down The Villages schools don't realize how good they have it. *shrug*

It's much like the Naperville school in Illinois. Just the fact that it "looks" better, the kids do better. The same school district has another high school and the kids don't do as well. But then, the kids in the better school, KNOW how well they have it.

[chuckster]

This has been great......:popcorn: one for Bill :popcorn:

[angiefox10]

This has been great......:popcorn::popcorn:


:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[BobKat1]

Talk about meandering off topic...:)

[graciegirl]

As I have said, don't buy the hype. The graduation number is controlled by the stdents junior year. Funny how Dr. McDaviel can tell us how many students are going on to college BEFORE the fall semester has started. Did he mention the decrease in writing and science scores? Look, I'm not here to just bash the school, but you folks that think this school is the utopian answer are sadly mistaken. Our kids aren't abe to compete for attendance at the higher level colleges due to the lack of IB programs. If I knew four years ago what I know now, my kid would have went elsewhere, that is from a teacher, a coach, and as the parent of a 4.35 gpa and 1900 SAT kid. And before you want to tell me that the Charter school was responsible for that, his test scores dropped sinced attending here.....

One of your previous posts said that your son had "acadamic full ride to an honors premed "...

Seems like a pretty good school would produce such a good student!

[jbdlfan]

One of your previous posts said that your son had "acadamic full ride to an honors premed "...

Seems like a pretty good school would produce such a good student!

He does, but he was limited due to lack of IB and AP credits. He took all that was available through the TVCHS, still limited his choices. Like I said, if we knew then......we would have found a more competitive school. Look, I respect your opinion GG, my point has only been that the school is not what some make it out to be. It's like any other school in so many respects, cheating, drugs, sex, bullies. New buildings and new carpet do not change those things. Test scores can be manipulated, certain kids "miss" the test or are transferred, whatever the case(it happens everywhere, but with a small population it is much more effective). But to my original point, there are several under 19 year olds living in The Villages going to elementary, middle and high schools outside The Charter School due to hardships.

[Larry Wilson]

jbdlfan,
Thanks for telling the truth. You sound like a very intelligent parent.

[angiefox10]

jbdlfan,
Thanks for telling the truth. You sound like a very intelligent parent.

Larry, You went to The Villages schools?

[Mudder]

Larry, just how would you know that jbwhatever is telling the truth about the school?

[The Village Girl]

jbdlfan,
Thanks for telling the truth. You sound like a very intelligent parent.

:rolleyes:

[Larry Wilson]

I've lived here going on 8 years and have been a volunteer coach at the Villages schools. Also, I have actively been involved with the science program and am friends with many of the teachers, parents and students.

I have no respect for all the ridiculous people arguing with someone who knows what they are talking about. That's why I praised jbdlfan. I see the charter school the same way and I have experience working there.

Some prolific posters just have no clue what they are talking about. Their inane comments are so bad that I feel like I'm watching the movie "Dumb and Dumber."

[The Village Girl]

I've lived here going on 8 years and have been a volunteer coach at the Villages schools. Also, I have actively been involved with the science program and am friends with many of the teachers, parents and students.

I have no respect for all the ridiculous people arguing with someone who knows what they are talking about. That's why I praised jbdlfan. I see the charter school the same way and I have experience working there.

Some prolific posters just have no clue what they are talking about. Their inane comments are so bad that I feel like I'm watching the movie "Dumb and Dumber."

Does the school know this is how you feel about them? That they are "hype" and they do not teach the children what they need to continue on to a good college? Because that's what jbdlfan is stating, and you are praising him/her for it.

Do they know they have someone working in their school who feels this way about the school? Because I know that I wouldn't want someone working at the school with negative feelings teaching my children.

As to the parents. What I hear over and over is the parents work for The Villages so their children can go to these schools. So what would you mean that you know the parents? They don't have to send their children to The Villages schools. They seem to consider it a privilege.

[Larry Wilson]

My comments are not negative about the school. They are fair and unbiased. These schools are better than the local schools in the area. However, I would not want to send my granddaughter to this school, since I am planning to send her to an Ivy League school just like her mom or a Big Ten School like her dad.

Now, as much as I would love to sit here all day and talk to Village Girl, I have more important things to do...like take my son and grandchild to Mallory's.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

This has been great......:popcorn: one for Bill :popcorn:

Thanks, man - I'm choking on all the popcorn!!! :D

:popcorn:

Bill :)

[The Village Girl]

My comments are not negative about the school. They are fair and unbiased. These schools are better than the local schools in the area. However, I would not want to send my granddaughter to this school, since I am planning to send her to an Ivy League school just like her mom or a Big Ten School like her dad.

Now, as much as I would love to sit here all day and talk to Village Girl, I have more important things to do...like take my son and grandchild to Mallory's.


I'm sorry Larry.... I didn't mean to upset you.

You have such impressive credentials, I thought maybe you might want to share them with us.

You golf with the top CEO's of US corporations (of which you don't name), have business dealings with the Morse family (business you won't/can't name) you volunteer for everything, You managed to send your children to the top schools (of course nameless) . You are so smart you teach classes at our local school in your spare time as well as coaching (what I'm not sure) If I were only younger and you older. :0000000000luvmyhors

[BobKat1]

I'm not sure what all of the fuss is about. TV High School sounds like just about every other high school around the country. Some good things, some bad things and they're trying to do the best they can with the resources at hand.

It has its boosters who like some bragging rights, just like all schools. Just because it happens to be in TV doesn't make it all bad or all good.

[Larry Wilson]

Wow, Village Girl, my grandmother had more attitude than you!



Sell crazy somewhere else, we're overstocked here! :laugh:

[Larry Wilson]

I'm not sure what all of the fuss is about. TV High School sounds like just about every other high school around the country. Some good things, some bad things and they're trying to do the best they can with the resources at hand.

It has its boosters who like some bragging rights, just like all schools. Just because it happens to be in TV doesn't make it all bad or all good.

I totally agree Bobkat1!

[The Village Girl]

My comments are not negative about the school. They are fair and unbiased. These schools are better than the local schools in the area. However, I would not want to send my granddaughter to this school, since I am planning to send her to an Ivy League school just like her mom or a Big Ten School like her dad.


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o233/miss_niner/Maxine.jpg

[jbdlfan]

Does the school know this is how you feel about them? That they are "hype" and they do not teach the children what they need to continue on to a good college? Because that's what jbdlfan is stating, and you are praising him/her for it.

Do they know they have someone working in their school who feels this way about the school? Because I know that I wouldn't want someone working at the school with negative feelings teaching my children.

As to the parents. What I hear over and over is the parents work for The Villages so their children can go to these schools. So what would you mean that you know the parents? They don't have to send their children to The Villages schools. They seem to consider it a privilege.

Not what I said. Florida, Ohio State= good school. I said best schools, big difference. Sorry to "mudder" and the rest, I am not posting this to "make the school look bad". But just as LW said, REALISTIC. Many of you, as well as I, came from up north. Most schools are 50 to 100 years old. We see a new school and say, "Wow". Drive around, there are many new schools in this area. Ocala has a few, Springhill has many. See, since MY KID DID go to the TVCHS, I actually left the compound, not just for football, travelled all across central Florida, and visited schools with facilities that blow this place away. That isn't to disparage TVCHS, just the facts. You folks complain about the gothic scary kids down at the squares, you do realize those are some of your charter students, right......oh no, couldn't be........

[renrod]

Not what I said. Florida, Ohio State= good school. I said best schools, big difference. Sorry to "mudder" and the rest, I am not posting this to "make the school look bad". But just as LW said, REALISTIC. Many of you, as well as I, came from up north. Most schools are 50 to 100 years old. We see a new school and say, "Wow". Drive around, there are many new schools in this area. Ocala has a few, Springhill has many. See, since MY KID DID go to the TVCHS, I actually left the compound, not just for football, travelled all across central Florida, and visited schools with facilities that blow this place away. That isn't to disparage TVCHS, just the facts. You folks complain about the gothic scary kids down at the squares, you do realize those are some of your charter students, right......oh no, couldn't be........
I hope the HAPPY PILL delivery truck arrives soon.\Can we please put this issue to bed with the children tonight. IT'S TIME TO ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE AND GIVE IT A BREAK. PLEASE

[chuckster]

Bill and I are running out of popcorn.......:popcorn::popcorn:

[The Village Girl]

I hope the HAPPY PILL delivery truck arrives soon.\Can we please put this issue to bed with the children tonight. IT'S TIME TO ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE AND GIVE IT A BREAK. PLEASE

Another poster brings a post to the top to get their last word and tell everyone else to stop posting.

A post will close:
1. When people stop posting.
2. When the OP closes it
3. When the Admin closes it.

[CarolSells]

I had to roller skate (at only 20 mph) by Chuckster and Bill-n-Brillo's carts to bring them some cool lemonade. Their throats are parched! How 'bout some Milk Duds for the second feature? Um, maybe I should have said next round.

Village Girl, I love your Maxine cartoon! "Don't believe everything you think" even if you are a legend in your own mind.

Ding! There's the bell.....:boxing2:

[2 Oldcrabs]

Is this thread about the schools in TV or children living in this age restricted community?

[graciegirl]

No. It is about I am right and you are stupid.

(Not me...and not you...and I am not thinkin' that anyone really is....just sayin.. Still bruised and sad and embarrassed and confused and needing to go to confession for my unkindness from yesterday)

[chuckster]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;***585]No. It is about I am right and you are stupid.[QUOTE]

This in very few words covers it Gracie. Good job...........Now back to my snacks in anticipation of the next round and hopefully a return to the topic of grandchildren living in the villages :popcorn:

[ceejay]

Still bruised and sad and embarrassed and confused and needing to go to confession for my unkindness from yesterday)

Gracie...please don't be so hard on yourself.

"But of course that doesn't mean that there aren't a few people who would try to get anything for free."

We ALL know that there is 100% truth in that statement. The same thing ran through my mind and, I'm sure, many others minds, as well.

Hey...we MEAN women have to stick together! (I have never been called "mean" in my life...that statement really made my heart and stomach flip!)

We both know that we are truly not mean...unless you ask our children!:undecided:

Sorry for the hijack...please continue the conversation!

[CarGuys]

I can just feel the Love!:boxing2::boxing2:

NOT! -

I like the idea of back to Grandchildren as a Happy topic- GrandChildren visiting with their parents in TV having GREAT time a wonderful Vacation! Not living here forever? SHUDDER!

The orignal topic was?

Maybe someone should start another thread on the Charter School and Florida Education.

This is getting nasty! It's like meet me at the Monkey Bars at recess!

Is this not the TOTV a freindly chat community and all of them high school college memories are suppose to be let go except for reunions? Where you bump back into that bullie or love life:cus:

IMHO now back to the 20th bag of :popcorn:

[skip0358]

We can have our grandchildren visit for 30 days. As for the charter schools since our grandchildren can't and don't live with us I really don'r care what people think of the schools. They're here for the workers children not ours. From what I've heard most people who work here do send their children there. I also met a few people who send their children to a Luthern School as they feel that's better. If it's a benefit for the workers and their happy that's all that matters to me and most likely them. As for the original thread of grandchildren. They're not supposed to live here, and if there are some living here it's the responsibility of those harboring them to fess up or their neighbors to fess up or it's just another hole in the bubble. We need to protect the bubble and patch whatever leaks there are or it'll turn into where we all moved from. Just my opinion!

[graciegirl]

We can have our grandchildren visit for 30 days. As for the charter schools since our grandchildren can't and don't live with us I really don'r care what people think of the schools. They're here for the workers children not ours. From what I've heard most people who work here do send their children there. I also met a few people who send their children to a Luthern School as they feel that's better. If it's a benefit for the workers and their happy that's all that matters to me and most likely them. As for the original thread of grandchildren. They're not supposed to live here, and if there are some living here it's the responsibility of those harboring them to fess up or their neighbors to fess up or it's just another hole in the bubble. We need to protect the bubble and patch whatever leaks there are or it'll turn into where we all moved from. Just my opinion!

Well said.

[KeepingItReal]

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[graciegirl]

There is basically no rule the developer cannot make an exception to if they desire to do it. You are held to the rules but not the developer..Not a perfect world!

Welcome to the forum.

You have come to the right place to discuss issues about the Villages.

I don't understand exactly what you are saying? What rules would that be?

(I just reread this thread. What happened to Larry Wilson? Sometimes I miss Village Girl, she had a certain je ne sais quoi about her. But she too has gone to the great cyberspace in the sky.

Further question , Will a girl from a little mining town in the west find happiness with a wealthy and titiled Englishman? AND I said it yesterday and I say it again. The heat is making us all crabby OR you can spell that with a B.)

[De Lis]

I had a woman tell me at a zumba class that her youngest grandperson was going to live here, because she knew that she would be safe. Yes, I understand, but...........

[mulligan]

But what?? Nothing wrong if she's 19 or older.

[Bogie Shooter]

There is basically no rule the developer cannot make an exception to if they desire to do it. You are held to the rules but not the developer..Not a perfect world!

Welcome to TOTV.....I think?
Why not start a new thread if you want to rag on the developer?? No one is going to go back and read 162 posts to see if your post is relevant to this thread.