Robbery at gunpoint in TV?

[cappyjon431]

Did anyone hear about a robbery at gunpoint a couple of nights ago? My DW is a nurse at The Villages Hospital and all of the other nurses in her department were discussing the robbery of a nurse in the hospital parking lot a couple of nights ago. I've been trying to find information on it but can't find anything online or in the Daily Sun (obviously).

My wife works nights and she is concerned. I guess I can contact Sumter County law enforcement but I was hoping someone on here might have heard something.

[BOMBERO]

:throwtomatoes:Did anyone hear about a robbery at gunpoint a couple of nights ago? My DW is a nurse at The Villages Hospital and all of the other nurses in her department were discussing the robbery of a nurse in the hospital parking lot a couple of nights ago. I've been trying to find information on it but can't find anything online or in the Daily Sun (obviously).

My wife works nights and she is concerned. I guess I can contact Sumter County law enforcement but I was hoping someone on here might have heard something.

If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.

But.... if you just wanted to bash The Daily Sun and start a nasty rumor
about the community we live in than don't call.:ohdear:

[Figmo Bohica]

:throwtomatoes:

If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.

But.... if you just wanted to bash The Daily Sun and start a nasty rumor
about the community we live in than don't call.:ohdear:

How would knowing that something like this happened start a nasty rumor about our community? If it did happen then all of us need to know about it so that we can take precautions so that it don't happen again. The Daily Sun should run a story on how to take necessary measures to insure that this don't happen again.

[BOMBERO]

How would knowing that something like this happened start a nasty rumor about our community? If it did happen then all of us need to know about it so that we can take precautions so that it don't happen again. The Daily Sun should run a story on how to take necessary measures to insure that this don't happen again.



:shrug: You don't have a clue!!!

[red tail]

yes he does......figmo is very astute on this subject!

[cappyjon431]

:throwtomatoes:

If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.

But.... if you just wanted to bash The Daily Sun and start a nasty rumor
about the community we live in than don't call.:ohdear:

So I guess this means you didn't hear anything?

1. Certainly not bashing the Sun. I subscribe, I read it every day, I take it for what it is--a smattering of news off the wire, great info on what is happening in TV, a marketing tool for TV. I don't expect them to run much "bad" news about TV, and I get what I expect. Definitely worth the $.15 a day I pay for the paper.

2. I resent you suggesting that I want to "start a nasty rumor about the community we live in." I live here too and I love it here. Are you suggesting I am lying? Are you suggesting my wife is lying? Are you suggesting her co-workers are lying? I guess it's easy to be a cyber bully behind the anonymity of a computer screen. I simply asked if anyone had any further information on something I had heard, one of the truly nice benefts of TOTV.

3. I don't think there is anything wrong with letting other readers know that there is a potential danger out there. Potential danger. I've always thought it better to err on the side of caution.

[cybrgeezer]

If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.


I am only an occasional visitor to The Villages, so I may be off here, but ... isn't the hospital in Lake County?

[cappyjon431]

I am only an occasional visitor to The Villages, so I may be off here, but ... isn't the hospital in Lake County?

Not sure (we just moved here the end of August. I know my Village is in Sumter and my house is exactly 2.3 miles from the hospital), but this is precisely WHY I like to go to TOTV first for information.

[swrinfla]

cybrgeezer:

No, the hospital is in the very farthest northeast corner of Sumter County. It is very, very close to Lady Lake and Lake County, but is, for sure, in Sumter County.

Not that I'm all that sure it matters, as far as this thread is concerned!?!?

SWR
:beer3:

[Happinow]

So I guess this means you didn't hear anything?

1. Certainly not bashing the Sun. I subscribe, I read it every day, I take it for what it is--a smattering of news off the wire, great info on what is happening in TV, a marketing tool for TV. I don't expect them to run much "bad" news about TV, and I get what I expect. Definitely worth the $.15 a day I pay for the paper.

2. I resent you suggesting that I want to "start a nasty rumor about the community we live in." I live here too and I love it here. Are you suggesting I am lying? Are you suggesting my wife is lying? Are you suggesting her co-workers are lying? I guess it's easy to be a cyber bully behind the anonymity of a computer screen. I simply asked if anyone had any further information on something I had heard, one of the truly nice benefts of TOTV.

3. I don't think there is anything wrong with letting other readers know that there is a potential danger out there. Potential danger. I've always thought it better to err on the side of caution.

Thanks for the heads up on this cappyjon. I know that the Sun publishes all good news because most of the news from TV is good, but when something that should concern a lot of us is not published we need to know about it. I know it taints the reputation that TV has but come on folks, there is crime most everywhere and TV is probably not immune from it. There's just much less of it. I personally want to know about the not so good stuff that happens. We should never let our guard down totally....

[BOMBERO]

So I guess this means you didn't hear anything?

1. Certainly not bashing the Sun. I subscribe, I read it every day, I take it for what it is--a smattering of news off the wire, great info on what is happening in TV, a marketing tool for TV. I don't expect them to run much "bad" news about TV, and I get what I expect. Definitely worth the $.15 a day I pay for the paper.

2. I resent you suggesting that I want to "start a nasty rumor about the community we live in." I live here too and I love it here. Are you suggesting I am lying? Are you suggesting my wife is lying? Are you suggesting her co-workers are lying? I guess it's easy to be a cyber bully behind the anonymity of a computer screen. I simply asked if anyone had any further information on something I had heard, one of the truly nice benefts of TOTV.

3. I don't think there is anything wrong with letting other readers know that there is a potential danger out there. Potential danger. I've always thought it better to err on the side of caution.


Rumor - "an UNVERIFIED account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue in public concern"

No, I did not hear anything.

1. It sounded to me like you were bashing The Sun. I don't really care if you do. I pretty much agree with your take on The Sun.

2. I don't believe I suggested you "wanted" to start a rumor (please see definition) I said " if ". And I never said the word LYING about you, your wife or her co-workers. Please don't put words in my mouth and read things with more care.

3. There is always potential danger out there. I hope you're not just learning that.

[BOMBERO]

How would knowing that something like this happened start a nasty rumor about our community? If it did happen then all of us need to know about it so that we can take precautions so that it don't happen again. The Daily Sun should run a story on how to take necessary measures to insure that this don't happen again.

You should really stop....you're going to go blind.:coolsmiley:

[Penguin]

How would knowing that something like this happened start a nasty rumor about our community? If it did happen then all of us need to know about it so that we can take precautions so that it don't happen again. The Daily Sun should run a story on how to take necessary measures to insure that this don't happen again.

I like your avatar. "Dont tread on me"

[Indydealmaker]

So I guess this means you didn't hear anything?

1. Certainly not bashing the Sun. I subscribe, I read it every day, I take it for what it is--a smattering of news off the wire, great info on what is happening in TV, a marketing tool for TV. I don't expect them to run much "bad" news about TV, and I get what I expect. Definitely worth the $.15 a day I pay for the paper.

2. I resent you suggesting that I want to "start a nasty rumor about the community we live in." I live here too and I love it here. Are you suggesting I am lying? Are you suggesting my wife is lying? Are you suggesting her co-workers are lying? I guess it's easy to be a cyber bully behind the anonymity of a computer screen. I simply asked if anyone had any further information on something I had heard, one of the truly nice benefts of TOTV.

3. I don't think there is anything wrong with letting other readers know that there is a potential danger out there. Potential danger. I've always thought it better to err on the side of caution.

:agree:

[graciegirl]

Just discussing this with the family at dinner. Don't you wonder why someone would attempt to rob a nurse getting off the night shift? Most just carry a little lunch money.

I guess they will have to beef up the security in the parking lot at night.
Thank goodness for surveillance cameras.

[SgtJohn]

I would hope that the paper would cover these types of stories. It is in the public interest to do so. We should all feel safe here. At times it feels as if we live in Stepford where everything is controlled, and nothing bad is to be talked about or admitted too. If someone has information regarding this crime, I hope they will post the information here.

[schotzyb]

My wife is also a nurse that works at the hospital but she works the day shift(7am-7pm). She has no first hand knowledge of it but said that it was the talk of the hospital.

[MSNPA]

My neighbor is a volunteer at the hospital. Today she told me there was an
"incident" in the parking lot. Someone tried to rob, either a nurse or a volunteer, as they were leaving work and walking to their car. My neighbor did not mention a gun, but that is not to say there was or wasn't one.

[graciegirl]

I would hope that the paper would cover these types of stories. It is in the public interest to do so. We should all feel safe here. At times it feels as if we live in Stepford where everything is controlled, and nothing bad is to be talked about or admitted too. If someone has information regarding this crime, I hope they will post the information here.

Boy howdy.

Two jewel thefts were reported in the Daily Sun in the last seven days. Why in the world wouldn't an attempted robbery in the parking lot of the hospital NOT be reported? Seems like the same kind of bad stuff to me?

[CarGuys]

Gracie,

Tiss the Season, Desperation = Money = Drugs = Debt= More debt more Drugs.

I am Glad not one was seriously hurt. Hope they escort all out staff out to their cars for security in case a return incident is planned.

Figmo- Does Florida allow one to carry Mace? Or a strong pepper spray?

[graciegirl]

Gracie,

Tiss the Season, Desperation = Money = Drugs = Debt= More debt more Drugs.

I am Glad not one was seriously hurt. Hope they escort all out staff out to their cars for security in case a return incident is planned.

Figmo- Does Florida allow one to carry Mace? Or a strong pepper spray?

Car.

Not why in the world would someone attempt to rob...but why in the world would an attempt to rob NOT be reported in the Daily Sun? They reported two other things of equal concern in the last couple of weeks. I get so tired of the conspiracy theories. And so tired of hearing that they hush things up. It is a nine to five reporting situation and sometimes you read things a couple of days after they have happened...but I think the Sun is getting better at reporting these sorts of things.

[dillywho]

Caution is always in order. There were a couple of incidents a few years ago not too long after we moved here (moved in in Feb. 2004) where some people were accosted when they arrived home. I don't remember if it happened inside the garage or in the driveway, but yes, they did happen. As someone else has stated, we are not immune here. Remember, Villagers are not the only ones using the hospital, entertainment venues, hotels, restaurants, etc. The bigger we get, the more vulnerable we will be. Caution and paranoia are not the same. One is reasonable, the other is not.

[SgtJohn]

Hearing about it a few days later doesn't help the person who is rob, mugged or murdered the next day. The area, and the paper, is large enough to have a "Hot desk" where late reported items can be handled, and updated as quickly as possible. We all understand that the days of "Stop The Presses" is long gone, but putting the daiy to bed by 5PM, doesn't help or keep people informed in a proper way. They should consider editting stories up to a later time, like 9, 10 or 11PM. They will still have the paper available the next morning.

Just my thoughts.

[graciegirl]

Hearing about it a few days later doesn't help the person who is rob, mugged or murdered the next day. The area, and the paper, is large enough to have a "Hot desk" where late reported items can be handled, and updated as quickly as possible. We all understand that the days of "Stop The Presses" is long gone, but putting the daiy to bed by 5PM, doesn't help or keep people informed in a proper way. They should consider editting stories up to a later time, like 9, 10 or 11PM. They will still have the paper available the next morning.

Just my thoughts.

One of your previous posts says that you JUST moved here. Give it a couple of weeks. You will see it isn't bad at all, The Sun.

And WELCOME to you Sgt John. I hope you enjoy every second of a thousand years here with us in lower Paradise!

[CarGuys]

Guess I am used to working for media that reports EVERYTHING! sometimes maybe to much to quick.

Good Point Cracie

Car.

Not why in the world would someone attempt to rob...but why in the world would an attempt to rob NOT be reported in the Daily Sun? They reported two other things of equal concern in the last couple of weeks. I get so tired of the conspiracy theories. And so tired of hearing that they hush things up. It is a nine to five reporting situation and sometimes you read things a couple of days after they have happened...but I think the Sun is getting better at reporting these sorts of things.

[buggyone]

Instead of these comments about bashing the Daily Sun, if someone would pick up their phone and call the Sumter County Sheriff Office - this whole thing could be resolved very easily.

[cappyjon431]

Well, I hate to say it, but it was not a rumor, it was confirmed by my wife's supervisor at the hospital. Not a lot of details, but a gun was involved, it was a female hospital employee (not a nurse but also not a volunteer). and it happened at a remote parking lot by the helicopter landing pad.

Hopefully the Sun will report it in the next day or so just to put the word out there--remember, a lot of TV residents are not on TOTV. I never intended to bash the Sun, like I posted earlier it does a good job for what it does, but comprehensive reporting (especially crime reporting) should not be expected. They do run the "Ploice Blotter" in the local section (I think on Mondays), but they usually only show a log of arrests, not of crimes that were committed. Gracie, I know that they reported the jewelry thefts, but in my mind there is a big difference between a burglary and a robbery. A robbery with a gun is a lot scarier to most folks and certainly could be considered very bad "publicity." I certainly am not claiming "conspiracy theory," I just don't have real high expectations of the local paper.

I offered to drive my wife to work tonight in case she was scared. She said it was not necessary because she drives her cart to work and parks right outside the hospital doors. She also said that since she only carries a dollar in her purse to work, she would consider asking the robber for some cash to help defray our Christmas expenses. At least she has a sense of humor about it.

[asianthree]

Well not here to bash the sun or anything else but i worked in a Clevland hospital and we have had things happen more than you can count, very good friend was robbed, beaten and her car jacked. It was never reported in any ohio paper. We have armed guards that saw what was going on and came as quick as they could, it was all handled within, never in print. But we were all informed by the admin to be very aware if we were not comfortable ask someone to take us out to our car. So as for the lack of news print, some hospitals just handle a problem as they see fit.

[joannej]

Thanks cappijohn for starting the thread and making us aware of the situation that occurred. Guns are everywhere...why wouldn't they be used against others in these unfortunate desperate times for some. Just glad that no one got hurt.

[cappyjon431]

Rumor - "an UNVERIFIED account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue in public concern"

No, I did not hear anything.

1. It sounded to me like you were bashing The Sun. I don't really care if you do. I pretty much agree with your take on The Sun.

2. I don't believe I suggested you "wanted" to start a rumor (please see definition) I said " if ". And I never said the word LYING about you, your wife or her co-workers. Please don't put words in my mouth and read things with more care.

3. There is always potential danger out there. I hope you're not just learning that.

Thanks for the definition of "rumor." That does not mean that rumors don't neccesarily turn out to be true. I also don't think it is necessary to squelch a rumor--sometimes getting information out to the public can be important. I think that it was evident in my initial post that I was asking anybody on TOTV if they could confirm this "rumor." I was not stating it as fact, just something that I had heard and it disturbed me.

1. I don't know where you thought I was bashing the Sun. I have maintained all along that the Sun is very good at what they do, but that we shouldn't expect any type of in-depth investigative journalism.

I am not one of those conspiracy theorists. The developers own the paper and they have a right to print what they want. It is their paper. Would I like to see better reporting? Of course, but I don't expect it. I think we are on the same page here.

Gracie, I know that the Sun reported the jewel heists, and that they run the "Police Blotter" once a week (I think on Mondays). I also think that a robbery with a gun is scarier (at least to me) than a burglary. Obviously they are both horrible, but violent crime is more disturbing to the public and probably considered worse publicity for residents and potential residents. It SHOULD be reported. Hopefully it will be.

2. Bombero, you are playing a semantic game here and using a rhetorical device often employed by disreputable politicians. You wrote:

"If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.

But.... if you just wanted to bash The Daily Sun and start a nasty rumor
about the community we live in than don't call."

Lets examine why I took offense to this. You are using a logical fallacy which essentially limits the number of possibilities out there.

For example, you wrote "If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co." Certainly true, but did you ever consider that I could also go on TOTV and ask if anybody could confirm this event? That is exactly what I did. That is one possibility that you overlooked. Another is that I could get confirmation from another source...which I also did.

You also used the classic "But," essentially saying that if I don't call the police, than I am either A) Bashing the Sun or B) Starting a nasty rumor about our community. It is an "If-than" statement, logically (and linguistically very powerful) saying if you this is done than this is what logically follows. Once again it severely limits the realm of logical possibilities out there. Do you believe it was possible that I was neither bashing the Sun nor intentionally starting a nasty rumor about our community? Truth be told, I was doing neither. I heard about a potentially troubling incident, I asked if anyone could verify it, and put the info out there so that others could be warned of a possible threat.

It seems as if you were questioning my motivations (bash the Sun, starting a nasty rumor) without giving me the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt. You didn't say anyone was lying, but rhetorically if you accuse someone of "starting a nasty rumor" it is implied.

3. As to your statement that "There is always potential danger out there. I hope you're not just learning that." A little obvious don't you think? "I hope you're just not learning that" is a little derogatory. The question is not: Is there danger out there? Obviously there is. The question should be, should people be warned about potential dangers of which they might not be aware.

[graciegirl]

Gracie,

Tiss the Season, Desperation = Money = Drugs = Debt= More debt more Drugs.

I am Glad not one was seriously hurt. Hope they escort all out staff out to their cars for security in case a return incident is planned.

Figmo- Does Florida allow one to carry Mace? Or a strong pepper spray?


I apologize Car...I did say..."Why in the world would someone attempt to rob a nurse, they only usually carry lunch money". I did say that.

I ain't right.

[CarGuys]

:coolsmiley::coolsmiley::agree:

[eweissenbach]

Thanks for the definition of "rumor." That does not mean that rumors don't neccesarily turn out to be true. I also don't think it is necessary to squelch a rumor--sometimes getting information out to the public can be important. I think that it was evident in my initial post that I was asking anybody on TOTV if they could confirm this "rumor." I was not stating it as fact, just something that I had heard and it disturbed me.

1. I don't know where you thought I was bashing the Sun. I have maintained all along that the Sun is very good at what they do, but that we shouldn't expect any type of in-depth investigative journalism.

I am not one of those conspiracy theorists. The developers own the paper and they have a right to print what they want. It is their paper. Would I like to see better reporting? Of course, but I don't expect it. I think we are on the same page here.

Gracie, I know that the Sun reported the jewel heists, and that they run the "Police Blotter" once a week (I think on Mondays). I also think that a robbery with a gun is scarier (at least to me) than a burglary. Obviously they are both horrible, but violent crime is more disturbing to the public and probably considered worse publicity for residents and potential residents. It SHOULD be reported. Hopefully it will be.

2. Bombero, you are playing a semantic game here and using a rhetorical device often employed by disreputable politicians. You wrote:

"If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.

But.... if you just wanted to bash The Daily Sun and start a nasty rumor
about the community we live in than don't call."

Lets examine why I took offense to this. You are using a logical fallacy which essentially limits the number of possibilities out there.

For example, you wrote "If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co." Certainly true, but did you ever consider that I could also go on TOTV and ask if anybody could confirm this event? That is exactly what I did. That is one possibility that you overlooked. Another is that I could get confirmation from another source...which I also did.

You also used the classic "But," essentially saying that if I don't call the police, than I am either A) Bashing the Sun or B) Starting a nasty rumor about our community. It is an "If-than" statement, logically (and linguistically very powerful) saying if you this is done than this is what logically follows. Once again it severely limits the realm of logical possibilities out there. Do you believe it was possible that I was neither bashing the Sun nor intentionally starting a nasty rumor about our community? Truth be told, I was doing neither. I heard about a potentially troubling incident, I asked if anyone could verify it, and put the info out there so that others could be warned of a possible threat.

It seems as if you were questioning my motivations (bash the Sun, starting a nasty rumor) without giving me the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt. You didn't say anyone was lying, but rhetorically if you accuse someone of "starting a nasty rumor" it is implied.

3. As to your statement that "There is always potential danger out there. I hope you're not just learning that." A little obvious don't you think? "I hope you're just not learning that" is a little derogatory. The question is not: Is there danger out there? Obviously there is. The question should be, should people be warned about potential dangers of which they might not be aware.

Very nice comeback to some rather harsh and insensitive comments.

[herbaru]

Very nice comeback to some rather harsh and insensitive comments.

:agree:
Lets add unnecessary too.

[hedoman]

:throwtomatoes:

If you wanted to know if it happened you could call Sumter Co.

But.... if you just wanted to bash The Daily Sun and start a nasty rumor
about the community we live in than don't call.:ohdear:

Here we go again bad vibes bad vibes...Come on Bombero WHERE did you even get a hint that what you are accusing is true? I don't see nor can I even read into it to get your claim he is "bashing the Sun"

Chill dude.... :boxing2:

[cappyjon431]

Here we go again bad vibes bad vibes...Come on Bombero WHERE did you even get a hint that what you are accusing is true? I don't see nor can I even read into it to get your claim he is "bashing the Sun"

Chill dude.... :boxing2:

I agree and I am tired of bad vibes. I am certainly willing to put the whole thing to rest.

Bombero and I just had a disagreement, as adults are likely to do. I had a concern about an issue and sought confirmation. Bombero thought that maybe I should have sought outside confirmation prior to posting on TOTV.

While I felt he came across as a little harsh and I took offense, I respect his desire to prevent needlessy smearing the local paper and to prevent nasty rumors about our wonderful community.

[villages07]

Nothing in today's paper.

Cappy ... thanks for starting this thread. It's important to be aware of what's going on in our hometown...the good and the bad.

I also applaud the classy way you handled some of the disagreeable replies. There is a better view from the high road.

[Figmo Bohica]

CarGuy, Florida's CWL (concealed weapons license) not CCW (concealed carry weapon) allows you to carry mace, tazer and other non-lethal items as well as firearms. You can find the complete statue if you google Florida Concealed Carry laws. Way to long to state all that you can and can not carry or do on this thread.

Now as for the Daily Sun. I like the newspaper, it gives the schedules for the Rec Centers and other happenings in TV. If I want other news, good or bad about the surrounding area there are other newspapers I can read. Hope that clears that up for Bombero or whatever that handle was.

[Posh 08]

Just curious, does any radio station carry local news? Did anybody call the Sheriff's Office for info?

[graciegirl]

I agree and I am tired of bad vibes. I am certainly willing to put the whole thing to rest.

Bombero and I just had a disagreement, as adults are likely to do. I had a concern about an issue and sought confirmation. Bombero thought that maybe I should have sought outside confirmation prior to posting on TOTV.

While I felt he came across as a little harsh and I took offense, I respect his desire to prevent needlessy smearing the local paper and to prevent nasty rumors about our wonderful community.

I really, really, really, really like you. I feel the need to hug you, your wife and all of your pets. You are a decent, fair KIND person. :spoken:

[graciegirl]

Nothing in today's paper.

Cappy ... thanks for starting this thread. It's important to be aware of what's going on in our hometown...the good and the bad.

I also applaud the classy way you handled some of the disagreeable replies. There is a better view from the high road.

I have ALWAYS liked you, but I feel the need to rehug you and you of course are a decent, fair and KIND person. :spoken:

[graciegirl]

My new years resolution is to try not to quell rumors, defend anyone, and work harder on being funny.

I am very big on being hugged. I have issues.

[cappyjon431]

Just curious, does any radio station carry local news? Did anybody call the Sheriff's Office for info?

I did not call the sheriff's office, but my wife received confirmation from her supervisor at work. Hospital employees also received an email yesterday confirming the incident happened on December 28th, that a gun was involved, and that if employees feel unsafe walking to their cars at night they can request to be escorted by a guard.

[Posh 08]

I did not call the sheriff's office, but my wife received confirmation from her supervisor at work. Hospital employees also received an email yesterday confirming the incident happened on December 28th, that a gun was involved, and that if employees feel unsafe walking to their cars at night they can request to be escorted by a guard.

Thanks for the heads up. I think if I were a resident I'd be calling the Sheriff's Office and raising 7 kinds of hell about this incident.

[paulandjean]

Do not understand why so many are upset? The Newspaper,The Police. Who is to blame.You have to understand crime happens everyday even at the villages.Maybe its my background, I am always on alert. Still watch one village resident down on LSS,every time I am there. One person of special interest.

[nitehawk]

Do not understand why so many are upset? The Newspaper,The Police. Who is to blame.You have to understand crime happens everyday even at the villages.Maybe its my background, I am always on alert. Still watch one village resident down on LSS,every time I am there. One person of special interest.

Maybe it my background - but I have been watching you watching the person of special interest. Be careful out there

[Posh 08]

Do not understand why so many are upset? The Newspaper,The Police. Who is to blame.You have to understand crime happens everyday even at the villages.Maybe its my background, I am always on alert. Still watch one village resident down on LSS,every time I am there. One person of special interest.

I think armed robbery is upsetting. Don't you?

[The Shadow]

Thanks for the heads up. I think if I were a resident I'd be calling the Sheriff's Office and raising 7 kinds of hell about this incident.
7 kinds of hell, do you think everybody in Florida has a Sheriff escort 24 hours a day and on this day, this persons Sheriff escort failed to do his duty.

OR

Do you think the Sheriff’s department failed to do its duty to inform the victim that a responsible person would carry a weapon for self-defense and that the Sheriff is not a personal body guard?

[Posh 08]

7 kinds of hell, do you think everybody in Florida has a Sheriff escort 24 hours a day and on this day, this persons Sheriff escort failed to do his duty.

OR

Do you think the Sheriff’s department failed to do its duty to inform the victim that a responsible person would carry a weapon for self-defense and that the Sheriff is not a personal body guard?

I think that Sheriff's want to be re-elected. I think that when citizens have armed robberies and break-ins they should complain to the people sworn to protect them. I didn't say anything about escorts. That was your fantasy. Maybe the county has become a soft target for crime. Why?

[Happinow]

I think what is upsetting is that this kind of thing happens in TV. By moving here, we all want to feel an extra sense of security but unfortunately in today's world you can never be too careful. We should all look over our shoulder when we are alone and maybe carry Pepper Spray when we are walking alone. You hear about crime all over the world and like to think that we are somewhat sheltered from it. Bottom line...crime may find you....be prepared. Living in a "Retirement Community" we may have a false sense of security. If we all look out for each other and keep our eyes open we can ban together and offer some comfort in knowing our neighbors and friends are looking out for us. I promise I'll do my part! Stay safe.

[bkcunningham1]

The hospital is on state route 441. A four-lane highway and a major thoroughfare. Good route for a quick getaway.

[paulandjean]

What a odd comment to my post. All I was saying isthat there is a person at the square that is looking to steal, or rip you off. I always keep and eye on him. now this poster is saying he is watching me. Very odd. But no sweat.

[buggyone]

What makes you believe that one person at Lake Sumter Square is trying to steal from you whenever you are there? I have seen a couple of odd characters there from time to time such as a guy in a tattered Army field jacket pertending to be a disabled veteran and asking for donations.

Is it their mannerism or how they are dressed or what?

[Jhooman]

Hello folks. We recently arrived from southern California. We grew accustomed to being hyper vigilante in our surroundings. At night we parked in well lighted areas, looked around to see if anyone was of suspicion. I carried my purse over my shoulder, still do. We had a security system in our home, doors locked at all times.

Since arriving to this lovely area, I've become aware of the have and have nots. The Villages is thriving with abundance, the outer areas is thriving with a poor economy. People are hurting here in Florida. Criminals will seek out easy targets and a quick exit. I've also become aware of how people leave their valuables in their golf carts. Yesterday we played the Lopez course then had lunch. We left our clubs on the cart, we took a seat so we could view our belongings from the restaurant.

Im very sorry for the victim that was robbed, thank God she was not injured physically, but she was injured mentally and emotionally. We all need to be aware of our surroundings, the The Village bubble is not real, it's an illusion.

Be careful folks, please don't become complacent.

Happy New Year, we are so pleased to be here, finally.:bigbow:

[karostay]

:agree: Don't develop a sense of false security living in TV
any gate is passable with out a gate key by anyone.
I have no idea why the are manned.Vendors, contractors from the outside wander at will. One would thing vendors would have to clear a security check before entering
Given the millions of dollars collected in fees each year a better system would be in place .Protecting the very people that make up the communities in TV

[paulandjean]

Never said this person is trying to steal from me.He dresses normal, but he matches the profile.

[graciegirl]

Tell us more about him. So we can be aware too. Does he look different or does he slide up behind you and feel your pockets? Or does he try to switch his purse for your wife's?

I am always interested in what triggers this awareness of a dangerous person?

[janmcn]

:agree: Don't develop a sense of false security living in TV
any gate is passable with out a gate key by anyone.
I have no idea why the are manned.Vendors, contractors from the outside wander at will. One would thing vendors would have to clear a security check before entering
Given the millions of dollars collected in fees each year a better system would be in place .Protecting the very people that make up the communities in TV

The developer opted for the system that is in place, so that Sumter County would pay to maintain the roads. The county will not maintain roads in a gated community. That's why everyone is allowed access, no questions asked.

[buggyone]

"All I was saying isthat there is a person at the square that is looking to steal, or rip you off. I always keep and eye on him."

I really would like to know what there is about this person that makes you think he is looking to steal or rip you off. What kind of profile does he match - especially if he dresses normal?

Let us all in on this so we can be on the lookout. Thanks.

[cappyjon431]

I really, really, really, really like you. I feel the need to hug you, your wife and all of your pets. You are a decent, fair KIND person. :spoken:

Aw shucks Gracie, all I was trying to do was look out for my fellow TV'rs. I want us all to be happy, healthy, and safe this holiday season. Now my little doggie is always seeking extra hugs (like he doesn't get enough attention here at home:rolleyes:).

[Figmo Bohica]

First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

[memason]

First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

A very coherent and helpful post!

Thanks Figmo!

[Indydealmaker]

First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

Well spoken!

[rubicon]

Well, I hate to say it, but it was not a rumor, it was confirmed by my wife's supervisor at the hospital. Not a lot of details, but a gun was involved, it was a female hospital employee (not a nurse but also not a volunteer). and it happened at a remote parking lot by the helicopter landing pad.

Hopefully the Sun will report it in the next day or so just to put the word out there--remember, a lot of TV residents are not on TOTV. I never intended to bash the Sun, like I posted earlier it does a good job for what it does, but comprehensive reporting (especially crime reporting) should not be expected. They do run the "Ploice Blotter" in the local section (I think on Mondays), but they usually only show a log of arrests, not of crimes that were committed. Gracie, I know that they reported the jewelry thefts, but in my mind there is a big difference between a burglary and a robbery. A robbery with a gun is a lot scarier to most folks and certainly could be considered very bad "publicity." I certainly am not claiming "conspiracy theory," I just don't have real high expectations of the local paper.

I offered to drive my wife to work tonight in case she was scared. She said it was not necessary because she drives her cart to work and parks right outside the hospital doors. She also said that since she only carries a dollar in her purse to work, she would consider asking the robber for some cash to help defray our Christmas expenses. At least she has a sense of humor about it.

cappyjon431: It is not you who should be explaining or aplogizing but the rude and judgemental poster who jumped the gun (pun intended). it was a down right drag out attack and there is not excuse for such behaior. As other posters realized your information was helpful and timely.

Finally I keep asking myself why so many village residents come to the defense of The villages so quickly. It doesn't need any defending. We are all fine here and live a good life and in a safer place than most. Please chill out The villages speaks for itself.

[TrudyM]

Hi,
AS YOU HAVE ALL STATED THAT THE VILLAGES HAS NO HIGHER CRIME RATE THAN MOST PLACES, SO IS THE FOLLOWING NO LONGER TRUE?

This is sort of related. I recently met a 30ish gal who attended your local high school. Obviously it was years ago (maybe 13 or so). Her concern with our plan to move to the villages is that when she lived there the high school kids in the area had nothing to do, so they were major into drugs and drinking. She said it was a bad scene for the villages as some of the seniors and their homes were easy targets to support these kids drug habits. She was very glad when they moved away.

Trudy M
Will I ever get to the villages?

[2BNTV]

[QUOTE=cappyjon431;434128] I want us all to be happy, healthy, and safe this holiday season.

cappyjon:

You are a cool dude. :) Thanks for posting.

[2BNTV]

First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.And I may add, "help one another"

Great Post FB.

[Figmo Bohica]

[/B]And I may add, "help one another"

Great Post FB.

You surely may add that. Being nice costing nothing and getting a smile back is worth the effort. Who knows you might make a new friend.

[janmcn]

:bigbow:cappyjon431: It is not you who should be explaining or aplogizing but the rude and judgemental poster who jumped the gun (pun intended). it was a down right drag out attack and there is not excuse for such behaior. As other posters realized your information was helpful and timely.

Finally I keep asking myself why so many village residents come to the defense of The villages so quickly. It doesn't need any defending. We are all fine here and live a good life and in a safer place than most. Please chill out The villages speaks for itself.

Very well said. Bombero needs to stay on his meds.

[bkcunningham1]

Hi,
AS YOU HAVE ALL STATED THAT THE VILLAGES HAS NO HIGHER CRIME RATE THAN MOST PLACES, SO IS THE FOLLOWING NO LONGER TRUE?

This is sort of related. I recently met a 30ish gal who attended your local high school. Obviously it was years ago (maybe 13 or so). Her concern with our plan to move to the villages is that when she lived there the high school kids in the area had nothing to do, so they were major into drugs and drinking. She said it was a bad scene for the villages as some of the seniors and their homes were easy targets to support these kids drug habits. She was very glad when they moved away.

Trudy M
Will I ever get to the villages?

What do they want to do? There are gates, but as people have said, the gates are just for show and to take photos of the people entering through the gates; you can go anywhere in this big old world that you want.

[charlie49]

Bombero must be working on drafting their apology.

[CMANN]

Instead of these comments about bashing the Daily Sun, if someone would pick up their phone and call the Sumter County Sheriff Office - this whole thing could be resolved very easily.

Wouldnt be as much fun.



This is proly the only non negitive coment that from me, you will generate.

[buggyone]

Well, CMANN, I am very happy that I could get a non-negative response out of you before the New Year.

Best of everything to you and yours in 2012.

[Bogie Shooter]

Thanks for the heads up. I think if I were a resident I'd be calling the Sheriff's Office and raising 7 kinds of hell about this incident.

Why? What did the sheriff do wrong??

[TF Hutch]

Figmo,
I am aware of your last sceen name, BOHICA meaning "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again" but what does FIGMO mean?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Figmo,
I am aware of your last sceen name, BOHICA meaning "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again" but what does FIGMO mean?

"F" It, Got My Orders.

Bill :)

[BobKat1]

Figmo,
I am aware of your last sceen name, BOHICA meaning "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again" but what does FIGMO mean?

When i was in the military it meant F It Got My Orders.:) I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That's about the nicest way I could think of to describe it. It might mean something different, not sure.

[TF Hutch]

Thank you!

[TF Hutch]

Is there a course that teaches Figmo's "4As" in the Villages or is that part of Carry Concealed Weapons training?

[CarGuys]

Must have been shelterd in the Coast Guard! FIGMO Heard alot of F-Bombs but orders were just that orders! The BOHICA is that not part of closing costs?

FIGMO BOHICA and all this time I though you were from a Latin decent-

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[TF Hutch]

Must have been shelterd in the Coast Guard! FIGMO Heard alot of F-Bombs but orders were just that orders! The BOHICA is that not part of closing costs?

FIGMO BOHICA and all this time I though you were from a Latin decent-

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And I thought she was Italian ! :)

I know FIGMO's cousins, SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR ! :icon_wink:

[Barefoot]

Never said this person is trying to steal from me.He dresses normal, but he matches the profile.

You said that there is a man at LSL who is normally dressed and wants to steal from people. I think it was Gracie who asked how we would recognize this man. Perhaps I missed your reply. What profile does the man fit?

[BostonCelt]

And I thought she was Italian ! :)

I know FIGMO's cousins, SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR ! :icon_wink:

Kind of easy to tell the Vets from the Non-Vets on this thread, isn't it!! lol

[villages07]

Article in today's paper, page C4

Says incident happened at 8:50 am Wednesday as person was walking from her car in the north parking lot. Perp pulled up in a car, brandished a gun, demanded her purse. She fled. Car left without perp ever getting out. That's the readers digest version.

So, broad daylight at beginning of the workday.

[Barefoot]

Article in today's paper, page C4

Says incident happened at 8:50 am Wednesday as person was walking from her car in the north parking lot. Perp pulled up in a car, brandished a gun, demanded her purse. She fled. Car left without perp ever getting out. That's the readers digest version. So, broad daylight at beginning of the workday.

Scary, but it could happen anywhere. The hospital is close to CR441. I'm so glad that the hospital employee wasn't harmed physically.

[Figmo Bohica]

And I thought she was Italian ! :)

I know FIGMO's cousins, SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR ! :icon_wink:

She happens to be a He. LOL BTW the "F" stands for Forget. :icon_wink:

[Taltarzac725]

Article in today's paper, page C4

Says incident happened at 8:50 am Wednesday as person was walking from her car in the north parking lot. Perp pulled up in a car, brandished a gun, demanded her purse. She fled. Car left without perp ever getting out. That's the readers digest version.

So, broad daylight at beginning of the workday.

Good to see the Villages Daily Sun covering this.

[paulandjean]

Just keep your eyes moving and fixed you will see him.He is always moving.Look for someone who is always looking around,and yes he will steal if given the opportunity. Know facts first hand.

[Posh 08]

Why? What did the sheriff do wrong??

Well, according to the person at the Sumter County Sheriff's Office, they are doing more in The Villages portion of the County than other areas. If the have 5 patrol assets out, then 4 are in The Villages area. It was a nice conversation. The largest amount complaints these days are traffic accidents and dog poop calls. Boosted my opinion of the "proactive" Sheriff.

[Posh 08]

First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

Maybe next time you see a cop with Protect and Serve on his/her unit or sleeve, tell he or she that's not their job.

[Figmo Bohica]

Maybe next time you see a cop with Protect and Serve on his/her unit or sleeve, tell he or she that's not their job.

If you would have taken the time to google the "Protect and Serve" portion of that statement, you would have learned that they have no commitment to protect YOU, the individual on a one to one basis. So before making a comment get the facts, the Protect and Serve is for the community in general. So they are doing their job, everytime you get a speeding ticket, that is serving the community, everytime they catch a criminal who has committed a crime they are protecting the rest of the community. Now do you understand the "Protect and Serve."

[Posh 08]

If you would have taken the time to google the "Protect and Serve" portion of that statement, you would have learned that they have no commitment to protect YOU, the individual on a one to one basis. So before making a comment get the facts, the Protect and Serve is for the community in general. So they are doing their job, everytime you get a speeding ticket, that is serving the community, everytime they catch a criminal who has committed a crime they are protecting the rest of the community. Now do you understand the "Protect and Serve."

Nobody said anything about individuals. So your lesson wasn't necessary.

[The Shadow]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/Shadow2.jpg

[Bogie Shooter]

Well, according to the person at the Sumter County Sheriff's Office, they are doing more in The Villages portion of the County than other areas. If the have 5 patrol assets out, then 4 are in The Villages area. It was a nice conversation. The largest amount complaints these days are traffic accidents and dog poop calls. Boosted my opinion of the "proactive" Sheriff.

And this is the reason to call an raise holy hell with them??

[Posh 08]

And this is the reason to call an raise holy hell with them??

7 kinds :laugh: :icon_wink:

[Figmo Bohica]

Let's see, 4 patrols for how big an area? Just want kinds of 7 holy hell would you raise with them. Give this sheriff lots of credit, he is really being proactive as he can be with the assets that he has available. TV is not the only area that is he his to "protect and serve." Lets see how folks react tomorrow when the speed limits drop on the interior roads in Sumter County and few of them start getting tickets for speeding. Then the comments will be "Don't you have something better to do than ticket speeders."

Just goes to prove that you can not make all the people happy all the time or even some of the people happy some of the time.

[Posh 08]

Let's see, 4 patrols for how big an area? Just want kinds of 7 holy hell would you raise with them. Give this sheriff lots of credit, he is really being proactive as he can be with the assets that he has available. TV is not the only area that is he his to "protect and serve." Lets see how folks react tomorrow when the speed limits drop on the interior roads in Sumter County and few of them start getting tickets for speeding. Then the comments will be "Don't you have something better to do than ticket speeders."

Just goes to prove that you can not make all the people happy all the time or even some of the people happy some of the time.

Rereading my post about my call I really do think I was giving the SCSO credit for serving The Villages well. How did you take that as picking on them? I also said in the other post that if I were a resident I would be raising 7 kinds of Hell. I'm not, so I didn't. My questions about crime in The Villages were answered openly and honestly.

[Posh 08]

If you would have taken the time to google the "Protect and Serve" portion of that statement, you would have learned that they have no commitment to protect YOU, the individual on a one to one basis. So before making a comment get the facts, the Protect and Serve is for the community in general. So they are doing their job, everytime you get a speeding ticket, that is serving the community, everytime they catch a criminal who has committed a crime they are protecting the rest of the community. Now do you understand the "Protect and Serve."

But wait. Individuals being responsible for their own safety could mean profit for those in the business of selling security, classes and training. Oh, I see now.

[Bogie Shooter]

Rereading my post about my call I really do think I was giving the SCSO credit for serving The Villages well. How did you take that as picking on them? I also said in the other post that if I were a resident I would be raising 7 kinds of Hell. I'm not, so I didn't. My questions about crime in The Villages were answered openly and honestly.

I do not see the point of adding this statement to your original post.

[Barefoot]

Rereading my post about my call I really do think I was giving the SCSO credit for serving The Villages well. How did you take that as picking on them? I also said in the other post that if I were a resident I would be raising 7 kinds of Hell. I'm not, so I didn't. My questions about crime in The Villages were answered openly and honestly.

The Sheriff's Department is investigating this attempted burglary. I'm sure they are taking it seriously. I don't see how "raising seven kinds of hell" would help the situation.

[Posh 08]

The Sheriff's Department is investigating this attempted burglary. I'm sure they are taking it seriously. I don't see how "raising seven kinds of hell" would help the situation.

if crime rises there, what would you do? also please read about my call with the SCSO

[getdul981]

Just goes to prove that you can not make all the people happy all the time or even some of the people happy some of the time.

And some people will never be happy!!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

:popcorn:

Bill :wave:

[Posh 08]

:popcorn:

Bill :wave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

[Barefoot]

if crime rises there, what would you do? also please read about my call with the SCSO

I do expect crime will rise, as The Villages becomes a huge city with close to 100,000 residents. And I do expect the Police will continue to work hard to control crime.

[cappyjon431]

I do expect crime will rise, as The Villages becomes a huge city with close to 100,000 residents. And I do expect the Police will continue to work hard to control crime.

For the most part, crime is rising everywhere. If you are moving here from somewhere where the crime is worse, chances are the crime is going up there too.

IF it goes up here, which it may, it will still probably be lower than where most of us came from. Should be an improvement for most of us.

Be vigilant, be safe wherever you are--the answer is simple.

[bimmertl]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-jun-2011

[pooh]

And remember this is in the parking lot of the hospital....
If you're concerned, park closer to it if you are able. Alas, it seems to be the only one I saw, near the front of the lot, but it's there....haven't seen any in other parking lots in the surrounding business areas.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r198/psylviaod/hospitalparkinglot.jpg

[buggyone]

I'm still trying to figure out a profile for a person at Lake Sumter Landing. He looks around is all the profile I have heard.

Let's have specifics, please, so we can all be on the lookout for this criminal.
He has been known to steal, you said, so he would be a criminal.

[CarGuys]

Just goes to prove that you can not make all the people happy all the time or even some of the people happy some of the time.

I just recieved a e-mail. Yes it was pro - gun control.

A female Shooting in a indoor range had a tee shirt on. And on the back was in print.

"I rather not have someone explain why my panty hose are wrapped around my neck and I am raped and dead vs why I am alive and the rapists has several holes in him. Or something close to that as I deleted it.

Not a good thought close to New Years! My last Post of 2011

Any Way "Happy New Years All- Lets all be safe. That is what is most important for all!

H

[graciegirl]

Happy New Year Car and Ruthie. Get your little butts down here to live and to tell us where to get our cars fixed and most of all so you can stop worrying.

[asianthree]

I am still stuck on SEVEN kinds of hell. This morning in church i only heard one mentioned. Does that mean i need to change churches to find the other SIX?

[graciegirl]

I am still stuck on SEVEN kinds of hell. This morning in church i only heard one mentioned. Does that mean i need to change churches to find the other SIX?

I think just reread Dante's Inferno. But I don't think it is really necessary.

Don't worry. Be happy!

[dude175]

You will find an article about a attempted purse snatch at Villages Hospital in Daily Commercial, page A2 (second page), Sunday Jan 1

[eremite06]

You will find an article about a attempted purse snatch at Villages Hospital in Daily Commercial, page A2 (second page), Sunday Jan 1

........and see below post "It says in the SUN."

[CarGuys]

Happy New Year Car and Ruthie. Get your little butts down here to live and to tell us where to get our cars fixed and most of all so you can stop worrying.

You understand me best! 35 years of Administration and " Vocational students 11 and 12th" Graders. You know!

And advocating for people and their car repair issues can put you in the middle! Thats means they are happy and you get beat up. But my job I like it and I feel blessed to have stumbled on this wonder community. TOTV and the Villages themselfs.

If we can get a audience can we stop in for a few minutes when we are there for closing! Wish I could bring the twins with us, Your cat might be happy without them.

[RichieB]

I we can get a audience can we stop in for a few minutes when we are there for closing! Widh I could bring the twins with us, Your cat might be happy without them.

That's funny ! :laugh:

[PennBF]

I thought being able to use the Rec Centers, Country Clubs, Pools, etc. was a privilege and not a "right". If this is true why can't The Villages take away
these "privilege's" when someone is convicted of a felony. If someone is convicted of aggravated battery, aggravated assult, etc. why should they be permitted to be use the facilities. If someone assults a child, police officer or "someone over the age of 65" it automatically goes from an assullt, battery, etc. to a higher charge of "aggravated"..This should at least mean they have sacrificed their rights to use what other residents are paying for.
If there is a "catch" that because they pay amenity fees these privileges cannot be denied then then don't charge them for aminity fees and take away the privilege's. This way some would think more before they commit a felony in The Villages. We deserve a peaceful community and there should be some consequences when there is a felony conviction? :ohdear:

[pooh]

I thought being able to use the Rec Centers, Country Clubs, Pools, etc. was a privilege and not a "right". If this is true why can't The Villages take away
these "privilege's" when someone is convicted of a felony. If someone is convicted of aggravated battery, aggravated assult, etc. why should they be permitted to be use the facilities. If someone assults a child, police officer or "someone over the age of 65" it automatically goes from an assullt, battery, etc. to a higher charge of "aggravated"..This should at least mean they have sacrificed their rights to use what other residents are paying for.
If there is a "catch" that because they pay amenity fees these privileges cannot be denied then then don't charge them for aminity fees and take away the privilege's. This way some would think more before they commit a felony in The Villages. We deserve a peaceful community and there should be some consequences when there is a felony conviction? :ohdear:
Not sure if what you're suggesting is applicable in this particular situation, Penn. The "bad guy"hasn't been determined to be a Villages resident....however if you're talking about someone who lives in TV and is convicted of a felony, well..... I'm not sure if what you suggest can be done or should be done.

[elevatorman]

I thought being able to use the Rec Centers, Country Clubs, Pools, etc. was a privilege and not a "right". If this is true why can't The Villages take away
these "privilege's" when someone is convicted of a felony. If someone is convicted of aggravated battery, aggravated assult, etc. why should they be permitted to be use the facilities. If someone assults a child, police officer or "someone over the age of 65" it automatically goes from an assullt, battery, etc. to a higher charge of "aggravated"..This should at least mean they have sacrificed their rights to use what other residents are paying for.
If there is a "catch" that because they pay amenity fees these privileges cannot be denied then then don't charge them for aminity fees and take away the privilege's. This way some would think more before they commit a felony in The Villages. We deserve a peaceful community and there should be some consequences when there is a felony conviction? :ohdear:

It is not a right or a privilege. It is a contract you sign at closing. The Developer agrees to provide amenities and you agree to pay the fee each month.

[paulandjean]

I can see it know, I do not use the pools and recreation centers so I should not pay my "amenities fees" either. Or else I have to get me one of those felonies.

[PennBF]

As I said, you can always find a critics..They are easy to find as it is
much easier to be a critic than to be creative. What is difficult to find are those who don't agree with some suggestions/recommendations and offer up
alternatives or suggestions. It is reasonable that some do not agree with suggestions regarding residents exposures to some convicted violent criminals but do they have any independent ideas of thoughts? As the good Security
expert once said, "the time you recognize you need protection is the day after you were robbed, etc".:popcorn:

[paulandjean]

What?

[paulandjean]

What? Or a good sense of humor.

[Barefoot]

I can see it know, I do not use the pools and recreation centers so I should not pay my "amenities fees" either. Or else I have to get me one of those felonies.

A few residents might choose to go the felony route rather than pay amenities! Hmmmmm, I wonder if skinny dipping qualifies. :icon_wink: Just kidding, Penn!

[pooh]

As I said, you can always find a critics..They are easy to find as it is
much easier to be a critic than to be creative. What is difficult to find are those who don't agree with some suggestions/recommendations and offer up
alternatives or suggestions. It is reasonable that some do not agree with suggestions regarding residents exposures to some convicted violent criminals but do they have any independent ideas of thoughts? As the good Security
expert once said, "the time you recognize you need protection is the day after you were robbed, etc".:popcorn:

Are you talking about the attempted robbery at the hospital or about convicted felons who might live in TV, in general? If someone has a felony conviction, has served their sentence and is now free....well, if they live here and pay their fee...they have as much right as any other resident to use the facilities. Do we have lots of convicted felons living in TV? I know there are some...they're registered, but are abiding by the terms of their release, at least I do believe they are. Are you suggesting that they might not be?

Now we've both changed the thread...it was initially meant to make people aware of potential danger...now we're talking about not allowing some residents, not sure what residents, to use the facilities they HAVE to pay for. Pardon me if I seem confused because at this point, it's confusing.

[CarGuys]

You can tell when a Post has lost its original meaning the purpose energy and direction or intent.

Time to say to this one! No more, night, goodbye over and out-

IMHO -

[jgbama]

You will find an article about a attempted purse snatch at Villages Hospital in Daily Commercial, page A2 (second page), Sunday Jan 1

Nice to see a post that sticks to the topic of the thread! You certainly get my "KUDOS" Award! :BigApplause: Happy New Year and welcome to the whacky world of TOTV!!:beer3:

[PennBF]

You have a "robbery" and a suggestion to put controls on felons in THe Villages and some don't see the connection? It is better to try to find solutions than just participate in "gossip" !:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

I say that it is another tempest in a teapot. You can worry if you want to.

It was an attempted robbery. It happened in the hospital parkling lot. The woman said she saw a man in a car with a gun who asked for her purse. She ran. He drove away. She fell. Was not badly injured.

It was in the morning, not in the middle of the night. The targeted person may or may not have been a nurse, a patient, an employee or a visitor. He didn't get her purse.

We have close to 90 thousand people living here. It is not Fort Apache, The Bronx. YET.

[cappyjon431]

You have a "robbery" and a suggestion to put controls on felons in THe Villages and some don't see the connection? It is better to try to find solutions than just participate in "gossip" !:ohdear:

Doesn't this assume that the "robber" was, in fact, a resident of TV? That is an assumption that I am unwilling to make and one that has never been suggested.

I started this thread and I only had two intentions: 1)To see if anyone could confirm a report I had heard about an attempted robbery, and 2) To get the word out there if there was indeed a threat.

Well, it was confirmed through several sources (including the Sun) and the word got out there, so my goals were met.

If people want to use this thread as a forum for controlling felons who live in TV, or as a way of fighting TV doggie doo perpetrators or to establish garden gnome/pink flamingo patrols, it is their right. While you're at it, I saw a mini-van on a multimodal path yesterday and I could see how this may be related to a robbery.

Truthfully, I am all for retiring this thread.

[Barefoot]

I started this thread and I only had two intentions: 1)To see if anyone could confirm a report I had heard about an attempted robbery, and 2) To get the word out there if there was indeed a threat.
Truthfully, I am all for retiring this thread.

LOL, it's called opening up Pandora's Box. :laugh: We all have personal "hot buttons" that we trot out at the first opportunity, and I'm including myself in that! :blahblahblah:

[PennBF]

My goodness..read the paper each Monday and see the number of residents who are charged (not yet convicted of a felony) and then go into denial. We have a great community of about 90,000 with some bad people. The question was whether anything can be done about "bad" people who reside in our community and continue to expose others to their bad behavior. I don't understand why some want to avoid setting or try to set boundries but so be it. I agree, close the thread and go back to accepting what ever comes. :popcorn:

[graciegirl]

Doesn't this assume that the "robber" was, in fact, a resident of TV? That is an assumption that I am unwilling to make and one that has never been suggested.

I started this thread and I only had two intentions: 1)To see if anyone could confirm a report I had heard about an attempted robbery, and 2) To get the word out there if there was indeed a threat.

Well, it was confirmed through several sources (including the Sun) and the word got out there, so my goals were met.

If people want to use this thread as a forum for controlling felons who live in TV, or as a way of fighting TV doggie doo perpetrators or to establish garden gnome/pink flamingo patrols, it is their right. While you're at it, I saw a mini-van on a multimodal path yesterday and I could see how this may be related to a robbery.

Truthfully, I am all for retiring this thread.


It is your thread and you can end it, Cappy. Happy New Year. When are you two going to stop by?

[Bogie Shooter]

I thought being able to use the Rec Centers, Country Clubs, Pools, etc. was a privilege and not a "right". If this is true why can't The Villages take away
these "privilege's" when someone is convicted of a felony. If someone is convicted of aggravated battery, aggravated assult, etc. why should they be permitted to be use the facilities. If someone assults a child, police officer or "someone over the age of 65" it automatically goes from an assullt, battery, etc. to a higher charge of "aggravated"..This should at least mean they have sacrificed their rights to use what other residents are paying for.
If there is a "catch" that because they pay amenity fees these privileges cannot be denied then then don't charge them for aminity fees and take away the privilege's. This way some would think more before they commit a felony in The Villages. We deserve a peaceful community and there should be some consequences when there is a felony conviction? :ohdear:

And how do you propose to POLICE your little felony rule. What a wacky idea.

[cappyjon431]

My goodness..read the paper each Monday and see the number of residents who are charged (not yet convicted of a felony) and then go into denial. We have a great community of about 90,000 with some bad people. The question was whether anything can be done about "bad" people who reside in our community and continue to expose others to their bad behavior. I don't understand why some want to avoid setting or try to set boundries but so be it. I agree, close the thread and go back to accepting what ever comes. :popcorn:

I read the police blotter every Monday. Better than 95% of the reported crimes are from residents of Wildwood, Fruitland Park, Oxford, Weirsdale, etc. A VERY small minority are identified as Village residents. With all due respect, I suggest you might read the blotter a little more carefully. Out of all the reported incidents in yesterday's police blotter, there were probably only two or three (don't remember exactly) who were Village residents, one was for petit theft and one was for DUI.

I am not suggesting there is no crime in the area, there certainly is, but I think you might be overstating the amount of crime committed by Village residents. If I am wrong, please let me know where you get this info about all this crime being perpetuated by TV residents.

[TF Hutch]

:evil6::evil6:I read the police blotter every Monday. Better than 95% of the reported crimes are from residents of Wildwood, Fruitland Park, Oxford, Weirsdale, etc. A VERY small minority are identified as Village residents. With all due respect, I suggest you might read the blotter a little more carefully. Out of all the reported incidents in yesterday's police blotter, there were probably only two or three (don't remember exactly) who were Village residents, one was for petit theft and one was for DUI.

Petit theft, the theft from the little people, or the theft of gnomes? :evil6:

[eweissenbach]

:evil6::evil6:

Petit theft, the theft from the little people, or the theft of gnomes? :evil6:

Sorry sir we're gonna have to arrest you for hijacking!

[TF Hutch]

Mea Culpa dear Ed

Little People Unite,:sing:

[cappyjon431]

Sorry sir we're gonna have to arrest you for hijacking!

Another Village resident arrested. No more pickleball for you, sir.

[2BNTV]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[The Shadow]

We have close to 90 thousand people living here. It is not Fort Apache, The Bronx. YET.

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Gonna share??? :1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

[cappyjon431]

It is your thread and you can end it, Cappy. Happy New Year. When are you two going to stop by?

Happy New year's to You GG. I am a little reluctant to end it, I don't want anybody to feel that they didn't get a chance to chime in with their thoughts (and I am very curious to find out about all the convicted felons residing in TV as mentioned by a previous poster).

Hopefully we'll get to meet you at the next Crispers luncheon!

[Barefoot]

And how do you propose to POLICE your little felony rule. What a wacky idea.

Fair question. :confused::popcorn:

[Indydealmaker]

Fair question. :confused::popcorn:

The question would have been a fair one if it had been asked in a friendly TOTV community spirit without the smart*** tone.

[hedoman]

146 ( now 147) posts on an "attempted robbery by gunpoint"? Back where we came from there were dozens of serious crimes like this PER DAY and it wasn't even a big city........

Just sayin.......

:spoken:

[graciegirl]

I know of a retired M.D. who lives here that says that seniors are very fearful. Very.

[jblum315]

I know of a retired M.D. who lives here that says that seniors are very fearful. Very.

I know some who definitely are fearful. I'm not. Maybe I'm foolish.

[graciegirl]

I take it you have had some annoying issues with healthcare. I understand that. It ain't cheap anymore.

No. I meant that seniors have some difficulty with fear in general. It may be due to some disturbance with the chemical levels of serotonin in the brain.

If a person is suffering from abnormal fear, he/she does not look at it as abnormal fear and will argue that it is just using common sense to address the perceived danger. Just as a person who is hoarding does not look at it as hoarding but just keeping items that can be used eventually.

Fear is NOT a character weakness in this case, or a reaction to social issues. It appears to be a symptom of aging in some cases.

If we have it, we probably don't think we have it...

Gotta go see if I locked the front door.....

[graciegirl]

I feel no differently here than I did in Ohio, that this is a reasonably safe place and I go about my business in the same way as I did up there. I notice people and their behaviors, always have. Most are the usual type of folks I am used to. Some are more aggressive in their manner, but that seems almost geographic and is probably quite usual to them. Midwesternes will probably be polite to you right up to when they gut you and hang you from a tree.

I don't want to tempt someone to steal my golfclubs so I park around the back of country clubs when we have lunch after golf. I am blessed to have not one but two traveling companions most of the time here with my husband and daughter. Ditto in our home. I feel quite safe, day or night. Don't really care for expensive jewelry, but would wrestle any body to the floor who was gonna steal my stainless steel dutch oven.

I was VERY fearful, nearly sick with fear when our Helene had cancer and I worry way too much about our grandchildren because they too haven't had any bad things or awful things happen to them. I think my worries are normal, but who knows. I am frequently told by my children to "chill".

[2BNTV]

I feel no differently here than I did in Ohio, that this is a reasonably safe place and I go about my business in the same way as I did up there. I notice people and their behaviors, always have. Most are the usual type of folks I am used to. Some are more aggressive in their manner, but that seems almost geographic and is probably quite usual to them. Midwesternes will probably be polite to you right up to when they gut you and hang you from a tree.

I don't want to tempt someone to steal my golfclubs so I park around the back of country clubs when we have lunch after golf. I am blessed to have not one but two traveling companions most of the time here with my husband and daughter. Ditto in our home. I feel quite safe, day or night. Don't really care for expensive jewelry, but would wrestle any body to the floor who was gonna steal my stainless steel dutch oven.

I was VERY fearful, nearly sick with fear when our Helene had cancer and I worry way too much about our grandchildren because they too haven't had any bad things or awful things happen to them. I think my worries are normal, but who knows. I am frequently told by my children to "chill".

Another great post by Gracie. It puts things in the proper perspective in that our health anfd the health of our love ones are what's most important.

One must be concerned about our safety but awareness and not doing anything to put ourselves in unheeed danger are important. OP has stated some tips on what needs to be done to ensure safety. I think TV is a safe place to live and refuse to be consumed of "what might happen if" scenarios.

[PennBF]

I honestly don't understand why some have a strong reluctance to set boundries and consequences? Accomplishing these does not mean there is fear or that it is because of being older although there may be a connection between life's experiences and recognizing when you are enabling future bad behavior or not setting boundries.
I have noted a host of reasons to avoid these when a resident commits a felony and in particular assult, robbery, etc. Some make "jokes", some blame the victium (e.g. age of fear), some try to bully by intimidating the writer into "shutting up", some mock the suggestions, and so on. All of these
avoid setting boundries or establishing community consequences for abusing
the privilege of using the terrific amenities we all enjoy.
I am not in fear as I have worked in some pretty sensitive areas/cities,
have traveled all over the world and in some "bad" areas. My age does not
dictate a fear but my age does recognize that without boudries and
consequences people have no reason to change. Avoiding the discussion
through the above attempts at "killing" an interchange of ideas is only a form of denial.:popcorn:

[cappyjon431]

I honestly don't understand why some have a strong reluctance to set boundries and consequences? Accomplishing these does not mean there is fear or that it is because of being older although there may be a connection between life's experiences and recognizing when you are enabling future bad behavior or not setting boundries.
I have noted a host of reasons to avoid these when a resident commits a felony and in particular assult, robbery, etc. Some make "jokes", some blame the victium (e.g. age of fear), some try to bully by intimidating the writer into "shutting up", some mock the suggestions, and so on. All of these
avoid setting boundries or establishing community consequences for abusing
the privilege of using the terrific amenities we all enjoy.
I am not in fear as I have worked in some pretty sensitive areas/cities,
have traveled all over the world and in some "bad" areas. My age does not
dictate a fear but my age does recognize that without boudries and
consequences people have no reason to change. Avoiding the discussion
through the above attempts at "killing" an interchange of ideas is only a form of denial.:popcorn:

For the sake of encouraging discussion and an "interchange of ideas," I am still looking for any evidence of residents committing felonies. You suggested reading Monday's paper to see all the arrests of TV residents. I replied that I do read the police blotter every Monday and the large majority of those arrested were residents of outlying communities and that those who were TV residents usually were arrested for misdemeanors. I asked for you to provide info on "all the TV residents who were committing felonies" but as far as I can tell you are refusing to participate in this interchange of ideas.

I have no problem with suggesting taking away amenity privileges for convicted felons (even though some suggest this is unenforceable), but I still don't see too many TV residents committing crimes (especially felonies). Once again, If I am wrong, please document all these criminals residing in TV.

In addition, I don't see taking away pickleball, swimming, shuffleboard and golfing privileges as much of a deterrent to those who truly want to commit a crime. :)

[Bogie Shooter]

For the sake of encouraging discussion and an "interchange of ideas," I am still looking for any evidence of residents committing felonies. You suggested reading Monday's paper to see all the arrests of TV residents. I replied that I do read the police blotter every Monday and the large majority of those arrested were residents of outlying communities and that those who were TV residents usually were arrested for misdemeanors. I asked for you to provide info on "all the TV residents who were committing felonies" but as far as I can tell you are refusing to participate in this interchange of ideas.

I have no problem with suggesting taking away amenity privileges for convicted felons (even though some suggest this is unenforceable), but I still don't see too many TV residents committing crimes (especially felonies). Once again, If I am wrong, please document all these criminals residing in TV.

In addition, I don't see taking away pickleball, swimming, shuffleboard and golfing privileges as much of a deterrent to those who truly want to commit a crime. :)

Yes, PennBF who are these people?

[janmcn]

What about registered sex offenders? Where do you draw the line?

[cappyjon431]

What about registered sex offenders? Where do you draw the line?

Very good question. If someone committed one of these offenses 30 years ago but moved into TV and has been living in TV for many years (paying the amenity fee each month), would it be legally/morally right to take away their amenities for crime committed decades ago?

Of course I am more concerned with all of these current "bad guys" that now live in TV.

[Skybo]

Convicted felons lose many civil rights, depending on the State, such as the right to vote, own a firearm, hold political office, certain employment opportunities, government assistance/housing, etc., etc. However, I don’t think it would be legal for an individual community or development to arbitrarily deny access to facilities based on a felony conviction, beyond what is allowed or required by law. Would it? I don’t know...might be a good question for the “ask a lawyer” section, strictly as a point of interest. But I agree with Cappyjon...I don’t see this as a big problem (felonious Villagers).

As far as registered sex offenders, they have their own (State mandated) requirements as far as where they can live and what they can do.

[PennBF]

I give up..It is not possible to have reasonable discussions when some are in denial. If you read the paper on a regular basis you will note the high number of felonies and unfortunately a good portion are persons under the age of 65.
I don't intend to try to defend the number or the need for boundries and consequence's as when there is a strong indication of denials or need to
take a negative or argumental position regardless of facts then it is useless to try to have a serious debate. It does not take a lot of research to see the felonies documented in the paper with "The Villages" as location of residence. To deny this is to (a) indicate a lack of reading the paper on Mondays with the list of crimes and residence of the perosns and/or (b) denial that it happens and/or (c) just trying to argue for the sake of filling in down time. None of which deserves either an answer or further waste of time.:popcorn:
PS: In some cases DUI is a felony and puts the others using the roads at risk. To downplay a DUI as though it is just a little infraction is sad as it is a very serious problem and I feel confident the average Law Enforcement Officer would not say it is just a minor violation of the law.

[paulandjean]

I am pretty certain that we do have convicted felons living side by side with us. Many however could be new convictions or from many years past.No sweat.

[Bogie Shooter]

I give up..It is not possible to have reasonable discussions when some are in denial. If you read the paper on a regular basis you will note the high number of felonies and unfortunately a good portion are persons under the age of 65.
I don't intend to try to defend the number or the need for boundries and consequence's as when there is a strong indication of denials or need to
take a negative or argumental position regardless of facts then it is useless to try to have a serious debate. It does not take a lot of research to see the felonies documented in the paper with "The Villages" as location of residence. To deny this is to (a) indicate a lack of reading the paper on Mondays with the list of crimes and residence of the perosns and/or (b) denial that it happens and/or (c) just trying to argue for the sake of filling in down time. None of which deserves either an answer or further waste of time.:popcorn:
PS: In some cases DUI is a felony and puts the others using the roads at risk. To downplay a DUI as though it is just a little infraction is sad as it is a very serious problem and I feel confident the average Law Enforcement Officer would not say it is just a minor violation of the law.
As a reasonable discussion. Could you define what is a high number? I too read the paper and have never seen a high number of Villages residences being cited for anything.

[cappyjon431]

I give up..It is not possible to have reasonable discussions when some are in denial. If you read the paper on a regular basis you will note the high number of felonies and unfortunately a good portion are persons under the age of 65.
I don't intend to try to defend the number or the need for boundries and consequence's as when there is a strong indication of denials or need to
take a negative or argumental position regardless of facts then it is useless to try to have a serious debate. It does not take a lot of research to see the felonies documented in the paper with "The Villages" as location of residence. To deny this is to (a) indicate a lack of reading the paper on Mondays with the list of crimes and residence of the perosns and/or (b) denial that it happens and/or (c) just trying to argue for the sake of filling in down time. None of which deserves either an answer or further waste of time.:popcorn:
PS: In some cases DUI is a felony and puts the others using the roads at risk. To downplay a DUI as though it is just a little infraction is sad as it is a very serious problem and I feel confident the average Law Enforcement Officer would not say it is just a minor violation of the law.

Claiming folks are in denial is a cop out. You wanted to have conversation and an interchange of ideas, but when you are confronted with an opinion different than your own you "give up."

I agree--READ the paper, Monday's Daily Sun. The police blotter. I read it every Monday and have for the past six months. I have found that for the most part, the LARGE majority of crimes reported in the police blotter are committed by folks RESIDING outside TV. There were approximately forty arrests reported in last Monday's blotter (if someone still has a copy lying around, I would appreciate your input here) and I believe only two were arrests of TV residents. That is representitive of what I have seen in the past six months, every Monday. I asked you politely where you got this info about all these felons living in TV and you have yet to provide the info except to claim "read the paper," which I do daily. You can bet I'll give a synopsis of next Monday's blotter.

You claim "To deny this is to (a) indicate a lack of reading the paper on Mondays with the list of crimes and residence of the perosns and/or (b) denial that it happens and/or (c) just trying to argue for the sake of filling in down time." You forgot (d) You are just plain wrong but don't like it when someone has an opinion different from yours. Support your argument with evidence and I will happily admit I am wrong.

As to DUI, I think we both agree that it is a serious crime and I am certainly not down playing it, in fact, I am surprised that the problem is not bigger than reported in the Sun (I have left the squares at 9:30ish on many occasions and seen my share of those who I felt shouldn't be driving). The fact remains there was only one TV resident reported for DUI in the last police blotter. That is the only fact that we have--hardly a bunch of felons living in our midst that we need to "take away their amenity privileges."

[CarolSells]

but in just a few minutes' time I was able to find these recent stories:

Villages resident arrested in Internet sex operation
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 at 8:02 am (Updated: September 8, 8:46 am A resident of The Villages found more than the “taboo couplings” he was allegedly seeking on the Internet, he ended up meeting a sheriff’s office detective who charged him with seeking to meet a minor for sex.
********* ********, 62, was arrested on Wednesday, Aug. 31, for reportedly trying to meet a man and his 14-year-old nephew for a sexual encounter, according to a sheriff’s office report.
**********was arrested at his home about 11:30 a.m. after admitting to a sheriff’s detective that he was the person they were communicating with on the Internet and telephone, according to sheriff’s Capt. Kevin Hofecker.

New Dangerous Trend Hits The Villages Sexting while walking
Last Wednesday, ******* *****, 87, a sexy, cougar resident of the ridiculously expensive condo neighborhood adjacent to Spanish Springs, was taking her morning walk while talking on her cell phone.She subsequently started sexting photos of her brand new cosmetic breast enhancements to Gary Gigolo, a 32-year-old-man with whom she had danced at Katy Belles. And now Mrs. Robinson may wind up at the same North Carolina prison where Bernie Madoff resides.
Note by me: This was not Mr. Midnight it was a cop).


Posted 11/8/2011 by Gracie:
The Daily Sun reported this morning that a man who lives on Heathrow Avenue in The Villages was arrested Saturday at his residence here for attempting to murder his wife with a large knife.

Just trying to help out Penn with his statistics here. Not saying that there are bunches.

[Skybo]

New Dangerous Trend Hits The Villages Sexting while walking [/B]
Last Wednesday, ******* *****, 87, a sexy, cougar resident of the ridiculously expensive condo neighborhood adjacent to Spanish Springs, was taking her morning walk while talking on her cell phone.She subsequently started sexting photos of her brand new cosmetic breast enhancements to Gary Gigolo, a 32-year-old-man with whom she had danced at Katy Belles. And now Mrs. Robinson may wind up at the same North Carolina prison where Bernie Madoff resides.
Note by me: This was not Mr. Midnight it was a cop).


This came from http://thevillagesmorsel.com/, which bills itself as a “satirical news service for The Villages”.

I especially like the "Gary Gigolo and Mrs. Robinson" references. lol

If you think the “sexting” crime is bad...check out the baby left in a stroller!!!! OMG There is crime in the Villages!
http://thevillagesmorsel.com/Archives.html

[ceejay]

but in just a few minutes' time I was able to find these recent stories:

New Dangerous Trend Hits The Villages Sexting while walking [/B]
Last Wednesday, ******* *****, 87, a sexy, cougar resident of the ridiculously expensive condo neighborhood adjacent to Spanish Springs, was taking her morning walk while talking on her cell phone.She subsequently started sexting photos of her brand new cosmetic breast enhancements to Gary Gigolo, a 32-year-old-man with whom she had danced at Katy Belles. And now Mrs. Robinson may wind up at the same North Carolina prison where Bernie Madoff resides.
Note by me: This was not Mr. Midnight it was a cop).
Just trying to help out Penn with his statistics here. Not saying that there are bunches.

EWWWWW!!! Thank you, Skybo, for the clarification.

I was starting to worry myself a little bit...and what an interesting website!

[cappyjon431]

but in just a few minutes' time I was able to find these recent stories:

Villages resident arrested in Internet sex operation
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 at 8:02 am (Updated: September 8, 8:46 am A resident of The Villages found more than the “taboo couplings” he was allegedly seeking on the Internet, he ended up meeting a sheriff’s office detective who charged him with seeking to meet a minor for sex.
********* ********, 62, was arrested on Wednesday, Aug. 31, for reportedly trying to meet a man and his 14-year-old nephew for a sexual encounter, according to a sheriff’s office report.
**********was arrested at his home about 11:30 a.m. after admitting to a sheriff’s detective that he was the person they were communicating with on the Internet and telephone, according to sheriff’s Capt. Kevin Hofecker.

New Dangerous Trend Hits The Villages Sexting while walking
Last Wednesday, ******* *****, 87, a sexy, cougar resident of the ridiculously expensive condo neighborhood adjacent to Spanish Springs, was taking her morning walk while talking on her cell phone.She subsequently started sexting photos of her brand new cosmetic breast enhancements to Gary Gigolo, a 32-year-old-man with whom she had danced at Katy Belles. And now Mrs. Robinson may wind up at the same North Carolina prison where Bernie Madoff resides.
Note by me: This was not Mr. Midnight it was a cop).


Posted 11/8/2011 by Gracie:
The Daily Sun reported this morning that a man who lives on Heathrow Avenue in The Villages was arrested Saturday at his residence here for attempting to murder his wife with a large knife.

Just trying to help out Penn with his statistics here. Not saying that there are bunches.

Hardly "many" TV residents. At least it is an attempt to provide substantiation:bigbow: and for that you should be applauded. Lets examine these:
1) Sexual predator in September, nearly four months ago. Disturbing to say the least.

2)Sexting while walking? Satirical and not real news, but darned funny.

3) The attempted murder was disturbing. I remember it well--in fact, my wife actually treated the perp at the hospital before he was hauled off to jail (he was severely intoxicated when he was brought in--not downplaying it, it was a serious crime).

Bottom line, 2 serious incidents in the last four months for a community of 90,000. I still suggest that TV is not crawling with felons.

I suggest everyone look closely at Monday's police blotter and do a quick tally--how many crimes were committed for the week and of those, how many were TV residents. I feel pretty confident of what you will find.

[Pturner]

I honestly don't understand why some have a strong reluctance to set boundries and consequences? Accomplishing these does not mean there is fear or that it is because of being older although there may be a connection between life's experiences and recognizing when you are enabling future bad behavior or not setting boundries.
I have noted a host of reasons to avoid these when a resident commits a felony and in particular assult, robbery, etc. Some make "jokes", some blame the victium (e.g. age of fear), some try to bully by intimidating the writer into "shutting up", some mock the suggestions, and so on. All of these
avoid setting boundries or establishing community consequences for abusing
the privilege of using the terrific amenities we all enjoy.
I am not in fear as I have worked in some pretty sensitive areas/cities,
have traveled all over the world and in some "bad" areas. My age does not
dictate a fear but my age does recognize that without boudries and
consequences people have no reason to change. Avoiding the discussion
through the above attempts at "killing" an interchange of ideas is only a form of denial.:popcorn:

Hi PennBF,
Here's what I find confusing about your proposal. Wanting to mete out punishment of convicted criminals, and having the legal right to do so, is not the same thing. Neighborhoods, whether in TV or Anywhere Else USA, can wish all they want that they had the authority to punish criminals and restrict their activities. However, under our system of justice, punishment for crime is pretty much left to the courts.

Now, do I hope a judge locks the slammer (or psych-ward, if necessary) door and throws away the key to protect us from dangerous felons? You betcha.

Do I wish I could beat the crap out of felons myself?

See Girls' Posse.

[The Shadow]

but in just a few minutes' time I was able to find these recent stories:

Villages resident arrested in Internet sex operation
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 at 8:02 am (Updated: September 8, 8:46 am A resident of The Villages found more than the “taboo couplings” he was allegedly seeking on the Internet, he ended up meeting a sheriff’s office detective who charged him with seeking to meet a minor for sex.
********* ********, 62, was arrested on Wednesday, Aug. 31, for reportedly trying to meet a man and his 14-year-old nephew for a sexual encounter, according to a sheriff’s office report.
**********was arrested at his home about 11:30 a.m. after admitting to a sheriff’s detective that he was the person they were communicating with on the Internet and telephone, according to sheriff’s Capt. Kevin Hofecker.

New Dangerous Trend Hits The Villages Sexting while walking
Last Wednesday, ******* *****, 87, a sexy, cougar resident of the ridiculously expensive condo neighborhood adjacent to Spanish Springs, was taking her morning walk while talking on her cell phone.She subsequently started sexting photos of her brand new cosmetic breast enhancements to Gary Gigolo, a 32-year-old-man with whom she had danced at Katy Belles. And now Mrs. Robinson may wind up at the same North Carolina prison where Bernie Madoff resides.
Note by me: This was not Mr. Midnight it was a cop).


Posted 11/8/2011 by Gracie:
The Daily Sun reported this morning that a man who lives on Heathrow Avenue in The Villages was arrested Saturday at his residence here for attempting to murder his wife with a large knife.

Just trying to help out Penn with his statistics here. Not saying that there are bunches.
but in just a few minutes' time I was able to find these recent stories:
Morse is charged with:

* Possession of a bull elk taken in 2006 in Yellowstone County in violation of conditions of an outfitter-sponsored license.

* Killing a bull elk in Yellowstone County in 2007 when he did not have a valid Montana elk license.

* Helping his daughter, Kelsea, kill a wild turkey, for which neither had a license, in the spring of 2007.

* Helping his daughter hunt, shoot and track a bull elk, for which neither had a valid license, in 2008 in Yellowstone County.

MLissa Morse is charged with killing a mule deer buck in Big Horn County in November 2008 without a license. Maximum penalty for the misdemeanor is a $1,000 fine and six months in jail.

Rainey faces charges of:

* Hunting elk in Big Horn County without a license in September 2008, a misdemeanor.

* Possession of two bull elk and four mule deer killed on two consecutive days in November 2008 in Big Horn County and for which Rainey did not have legal licenses. Because the value of the animals exceeds $1,000, Rainey is charged with a felony.

* Two misdemeanor charges of waste of game in Big Horn County in September 2009. Rainey is accused of killing two elk, then removing only the head from one elk and allowing the meat from both carcasses to rot.

The combined maximum penalties for the charges against Rainey total $53,000 in fines and 6.5 years in prison.

Powell is accused of illegal possession of two bull elk and four mule deer killed in Big Horn County in November 2008. The combined value of the animals exceeds $1,000, so Powell is charged with a felony. The crime carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $50,000 fine.

Duncan is charged in Lewis and Clark County with two felony counts of tampering with public records and a misdemeanor count of purchasing a Montana resident hunting license while he was a resident of Utah. The charges accuse him of buying Montana resident licenses in Helena using his parents' Cut Bank address, though he has lived in Utah since 1998.

The felony charges accuse Duncan of falsifying required outfitter license documents, applications for hunting licenses and client logs.

Total penalties for Duncan could include $101,000 in fines and 20.5 years in prison.

In February, another defendant, Richard E. Staton of Wildwood,:oops: admitted to three misdemeanor hunting violations and was fined $1,000. Staton is former Florida game warden a former Wolf Mountain Ranch employee.

Kelsea Morris admitted in May she hunted elk and turkey without the proper licenses. She received six-months deferred jail sentences on both charges, and was ordered to pay $2,095 in fines, court costs and restitution.

A felony charge of illegally possessing game animals was dismissed in June against another defendant in the case. District Judge Susan Watters cited insufficient evidence against Toby Lee Griffith, an employee of the M Square Ranch.
Just trying to help out Penn with his statistics here. Not saying that there are bunches.

http://www.dailycommercial.com/News/SumterCounty/010112morseupdate

[Mikeod]

It's important to remember that an arrest for a felony is not the same as a conviction for a felony. What is reported in the police blotter or on other media mentioned is an arrest, not a conviction.

[PennBF]

Being charged and being convicted are seriously different. Thus, I tried to speak to conviction in most of my references. Of course it does not make sense to continue to feed this thread as it has reached the point of less than thoughtful inputs. There was a point where it was mentioned they did not see large numbers in the paper. Of course they would not see a large number in any single edition. It is the accumulative numbers that count. Either this was to intentionally mislead the reader and distort the point or just not seeing the larger picture? As they say, "you make the call"???:popcorn:

[graciegirl]

but in just a few minutes' time I was able to find these recent stories:

Villages resident arrested in Internet sex operation
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 at 8:02 am (Updated: September 8, 8:46 am A resident of The Villages found more than the “taboo couplings” he was allegedly seeking on the Internet, he ended up meeting a sheriff’s office detective who charged him with seeking to meet a minor for sex.
********* ********, 62, was arrested on Wednesday, Aug. 31, for reportedly trying to meet a man and his 14-year-old nephew for a sexual encounter, according to a sheriff’s office report.
**********was arrested at his home about 11:30 a.m. after admitting to a sheriff’s detective that he was the person they were communicating with on the Internet and telephone, according to sheriff’s Capt. Kevin Hofecker.

New Dangerous Trend Hits The Villages Sexting while walking
Last Wednesday, ******* *****, 87, a sexy, cougar resident of the ridiculously expensive condo neighborhood adjacent to Spanish Springs, was taking her morning walk while talking on her cell phone.She subsequently started sexting photos of her brand new cosmetic breast enhancements to Gary Gigolo, a 32-year-old-man with whom she had danced at Katy Belles. And now Mrs. Robinson may wind up at the same North Carolina prison where Bernie Madoff resides.
Note by me: This was not Mr. Midnight it was a cop).


Posted 11/8/2011 by Gracie:
The Daily Sun reported this morning that a man who lives on Heathrow Avenue in The Villages was arrested Saturday at his residence here for attempting to murder his wife with a large knife.

Just trying to help out Penn with his statistics here. Not saying that there are bunches.

The guy with the knife did not go after his wife with it but had it in his hand when police came...I believe I heard that he was drunk or mentally ill. ANYWAY, bkcunningham who is a REAL journalist corrected my post, if I remember correctly.

The gigolo/mrs. robinson was some satirical stuff as previously stated.

I don't understand how ANYONE who lives here could say this place is seriously in need of reform because of the criminals who live here. This is one of the safest communities that I have ever lived in, if not the safest, and you have to go far to beat West Chester, Ohio.

PennF. You know I think the world of you, but do you live here? Carol my sweet girl from Cincinnati, I have forgotten if you said you you live here.

I think that if anyone has spent any length of time here that they would have to agree that this is a place that you can walk about day or night with out a lot of fear of being mugged or attacked. I saw women joggers with their lights on in the middle of the night on running down Morse last year when we took our visiting grandson to the hospital for an asthma attack. I was really surprised at that, not one but two and not running together.

I am NOT in denial. No place is 100 percent safe, but comparitively I bet it is one of the safest areas in the whole country. We are NOT working. We are watching. We aren't bumbling old fools, we are savvy people with good heads on our shoulders. We are one mega community watch and boy we sure can report things. AND we sure as hell can speculate about things and work rumors into facts in a very short time too.

[PennBF]

Graciegirl..It goes without saying that we have a great respect for you and your points of view expressed in TOTV. You are a terrific contributor.
Having said this I want to clarify some of the comments I have made on this subject. Regarding your question..yes we have lived in The Village for a few year and I feel confident in saying that we have alway felt safe and secure in our Village. It is not that The Village's are not safe as that would be an incorrect perception of our community. It is probably one of the few
places where a woman could go walking at midnight and be relatively safe.
My point is and has been that we have some people who commit felonies and suffer no consequence's from the community. If you are a felon in Florida you lose your civil rights for 5 years and must apply if you want them restored. They are not automatically restored. In The Villages you can assult someon, (family or otherwise), you can commit a serious robbery, get 3 DWI's, some of these against children, seniors or police officer which automatically raises the bar to "aggravated" which is a higher degree of felony and there are no
community consequences. They can continue to experience the privilege's
of The Villages and after being convicted continue to hide their bad behavior from their neighbors, etc. This only enable's the person to feel that much more entitled and continue the anti social behavior. I am not sure if it would be legal to restrict them from having the "privileges" of The Villages. My
point was why not see if they can be removed until their Florida civil rights have been restored?
I continue to be amazed that some actually feel this is unfair, that the victium is the felon and the privileges are an entitlement? These are the kind of thoughts that cause addiction to continue since there are no consequences for the abuses. Some have tried to bully this free speech and that is a mystery to me. Why they do this is for each to decide. Based on this I have no more interest in continuing providing the suggestion. Not becasue of the bullies but because few understand the basis for my opinion and/or I am providing a forum for some to give power to the felon. Therefore I am wasting my time and also giving power to those that want to protect the felon. :popcorn:

[paulandjean]

How would you know who is a felon. Who would do the checking? Would everyone be checked? Would villagers have do a fingerprint background check like I had to do every few years before I retired from teaching.Seems like a few "rights " could be violated here.

[Bogie Shooter]

Opinion hasn't changed................still a wacky idea.

[PennBF]

Like I say..there are some who like to make the felon the victium or run scared. Why would anyone not like the idea? Maybe believe it is not possible to implement or too costly, etc. but to be a wasteland of positive thought is sad. I believe some are afraid. This is what some felons play on. I have seen it where they rely on the peron(s) being afraid and will not try to hold them
responsible. This is how they continue to operate. Fear is a terrible thing..:sad:

[paulandjean]

Or you can look at it this way.Why just felons.Any lesser charge.If you where ever arrested.

[sparky]

Where have you guys been?? It was reported in the Sun. A guy drove up and pointed a gun at a woman in the parking lot. She ran. End of story. Too bad she wasn't packing a concealed weapon. One less scumbag!:cus:

[Pturner]

I'm still trying to get it, but I don't.

I am not sure if it would be legal to restrict them from having the "privileges" of The Villages. My
point was why not see if they can be removed until their Florida civil rights have been restored?

If you think someone should check to see if TV privileges can be revoked for convicted felons, why don't you check to see.

My point is and has been that we have some people who commit felonies and suffer no consequence's from the community.

But how does this differ from any other community? Can you give us an example of any community in the USA where neighbors or developers have the legal authority to keep felons from using neighborhood pools or parks or rec. facilities?

I know that special laws have been passed to restrict where sex offenders can live; but even then, special laws were required. Where ever the law does permit registered sex offenders to live, neither neighbors nor developers can tell them they can't live, the law be damned. Like it or hate it, we are a nation of laws.

Again, wishing we could mete out punishment of felons on our own and having the legal right to do so are two different things.


...to be a wasteland of positive thought is sad. :sad:

Um... what?

[cappyjon431]

Being charged and being convicted are seriously different. Thus, I tried to speak to conviction in most of my references. Of course it does not make sense to continue to feed this thread as it has reached the point of less than thoughtful inputs. There was a point where it was mentioned they did not see large numbers in the paper. Of course they would not see a large number in any single edition. It is the accumulative numbers that count. Either this was to intentionally mislead the reader and distort the point or just not seeing the larger picture? As they say, "you make the call"???:popcorn:

Penn, I want to apologize if during the course of our banter I came across as bullying, that was not my intention. you have probably been living in TV longer than I and perhaps you are privileged with more "inside" information than I. I have only been reading the Sun and the police blotter for the past six months and while I have not been tallying the arrests each week and how many of those arrested were TV residents, I do have a general impression that the large majority of those reportedly arrested live outside TV, but it is only my impression. Perhaps I am wrong.

Just for fun, we should take a look at the next several police blotters just to get a feel for how many TV residents are actually being arrested and for what they are being charged with. As pointed out by a previous poster, these are only arrests and not convictions. It's only logical to assume that without arrests there can't be convictions, but at least this can give us a rough idea.

I will say that I don't think I am in denial--I feel safe here but I also know that no place is perfect and that we should all be on guard no matter where we live.

I also think you should be applauded for thinking outside the box as far as coming up with consequences for bad behavior (illegal behavior) by TV residents. You should not feel like you are being attacked for coming up with possible solutions. It certainly beats the heck out of simply complaining about a problem. That being said, I have serious reservations about the legal and logistical requirements of implementing such a proposal. As far as I know, the government is primarily responsible for punishing criminals. Once you have communities or individuals doling out punishments you run the risk of unchecked abuse and it becomes a slippery slope. Logistically I envision a bureaucratic nightmare with background checks for all residents, a central committee for compiling all the records, administering punishments, determining the length of time residents should be denied amenity privileges, responding to resident appeals, etc. To be honest, I would prefer that my amenity fees be used to maintain and improve my amenities, not for administering a quasi-legal program to to dole out punishments to tV residents.

Just my $.02

[bkcunningham1]

TV encompasses three counties; Lake, Marion and Sumter. Lake County's population, according to the US Census Bureau, in 2010 was 297,052. The Villages is approximately 80,000 of this total. According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement statistics, there were a total of 8,382 crimes committed in Lake County in 2010. Of these 8382 crimes, 1,194 were violent crimes; 7,188 were nonviolent. There are more stats from the FDLA and I'm providing the link if you are interested.

According to the US Census Bureau, in 2010, the population of Sumter County Florida was 93,420. The FDLA shows 1,121 crimes committed in Sumter County in 2010. Of these 205 were violent; 916 were nonviolent. More stats can be found below.

Marion County's population in 2010, according to the USCB, was 331,298. The FDLE shows 10,141 crimes in Marion County for 2010. Violent crimes accounted for 1,797 of this figure and 8,344 were nonviolent.

Crime stats Lake County: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/1da97ada-22d5-4d48-8c80-5555feb80ac8/Lake10.aspx

Crime stats Sumter County: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/42759adc-00b7-43d1-8313-5bd86ff658ec/Sumter10.aspx

Crime stats entire state: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/FSAC/Data---Statistics-(1)/UCR-Offense-Data/County-Profiles.aspx

[graciegirl]

TV encompasses three counties; Lake, Marion and Sumter. Lake County's population, according to the US Census Bureau, in 2010 was 297,052. The Villages is approximately 80,000 of this total. According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement statistics, there were a total of 8,382 crimes committed in Lake County in 2010. Of these 8382 crimes, 1,194 were violent crimes; 7,188 were nonviolent. There are more stats from the FDLA and I'm providing the link if you are interested.

According to the US Census Bureau, in 2010, the population of Sumter County Florida was 93,420. The FDLA shows 1,121 crimes committed in Sumter County in 2010. Of these 205 were violent; 916 were nonviolent. More stats can be found below.

Marion County's population in 2010, according to the USCB, was 331,298. The FDLE shows 10,141 crimes in Marion County for 2010. Violent crimes accounted for 1,797 of this figure and 8,344 were nonviolent.

Crime stats Lake County: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/1da97ada-22d5-4d48-8c80-5555feb80ac8/Lake10.aspx

Crime stats Sumter County: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/42759adc-00b7-43d1-8313-5bd86ff658ec/Sumter10.aspx

Crime stats entire state: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/FSAC/Data---Statistics-(1)/UCR-Offense-Data/County-Profiles.aspx


Wish someone could figure out how to give the statistics for just The Villages.

[bkcunningham1]

Me too, Grace. I found this site. It is pretty cool:

http://www.spotcrime.com/fl/the+villages

[Figmo Bohica]

Where have you guys been?? It was reported in the Sun. A guy drove up and pointed a gun at a woman in the parking lot. She ran. End of story. Too bad she wasn't packing a concealed weapon. One less scumbag!:cus:

Well Ole Buddy, the vast majority of CWL, CCW holders in any and all states are what we in the firearms training business call targets. They get their license, they "now be bad." When the poo-poo hits the fan, they have no idea what they are going to do, they have not trained under stress, have never given any thought of what to do in an emergency or practiced gettting their protection device out and in the game. And the biggest problem is they don't practice with the fierarm or other protection device. At the first sign of a problem they freeze, trying to think, "What am I gonna do?"

Come out and play with me, I will put you through all the paces, upto what your physical condition will allow so that you will not be know as a "target" and will have the skill set to survive and most importantly avoid a life threatening situation.

[cappyjon431]

29 arrests reported for this past week.

Five were Village residents:
1 for violation of probation
1 for petit theft
1 for domestic battery
1 for DUI
1 for order to commit (?-not familiar with this charge)

My general impression was that overall there were fewer arrests than normal and more TV residents than normal, but I could be wrong. I wantto pay closer attention to this in the future to confirm my belief.

So, five arrests for a community of 90,000 during our busiest season of the year, with one of those (domestic battery) violent. I still don't feel that there are too many TV residents exhibiting "bad behavior." I certainly don't feel the need to take away their pickleball privileges.

[villages07]

cappy... I had the same impression, fewer overall incidents but more Villagers than normal. But, of the 5 Villagers, only one was over 55 and that was a DUI.

[spk7951]

29 arrests reported for this past week.

1 for order to commit (?-not familiar with this charge)




What Does "Order to Commit" Mean?

"An order to commit is a court order given a defendant by a judge. The judge orders an individual on trial to a mental asylum, drug rehabilitation center, hospital, prison or juvenile hall to assess and treat behavior and potential illness."

[billethkid]

too bad this informative thread has such a nasty headliner...it is of the caliber (pun intended) of if it bleeds it leads, just look at the the number of hits on this thread to verify that!!

btk

[cappyjon431]

too bad this informative thread has such a nasty headliner...it is of the caliber (pun intended) of if it bleeds it leads, just look at the the number of hits on this thread to verify that!!

btk

Not quite sure why the headliner was "nasty." My wife heard about an attempted robbery at her workplace. She was concerned, I was concerned so I sought information on the alleged incident. That was my motivation for the headliner. I think that it is probably a good thing to get TV residents' attention about a potential violent criminal preying upon our community. The more who know, the better off we are. What ype of headline would you suggest in order to: a) get information about an alleged violent crime; and b) let TOTV readers know of a potential threat?

[cappyjon431]

What Does "Order to Commit" Mean?

"An order to commit is a court order given a defendant by a judge. The judge orders an individual on trial to a mental asylum, drug rehabilitation center, hospital, prison or juvenile hall to assess and treat behavior and potential illness."

Thanks. I had never understood the meaning of that charge. I guess that explains why there is never any bail associated with this charge.

[kerrijoy]

wow!!

[Figmo Bohica]

On Thursday, February 2, Villages Friends of the NRA will be having a special presentation for women (and couples):

Presentation by members Ellen Rodgers/Loren Collett : (Both NRA Certified Instructors)

Personal Protection for Women /Refuse to be a victim

3:00 pm at Hibiscus Recreation Center (All are welcome)

This is FREE, you will get some very good information on personal protection with and without a firearm and things you can do around the home for added security.

[cappyjon431]

Today's Police Blotter:

31 arrests last week in the tri-county area.

One 39 year old TV resident arrested for contempt of court.

So, one arrest for a community of 90,000 during our busiest season of the year, a non-violent charge (remember these are not convictions). I still don't feel that there are too many TV residents exhibiting "bad behavior." I certainly don't feel the need to take away their billiard privileges.

[graciegirl]

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[golf4me]

Today's Police Blotter:

31 arrests last week in the tri-county area.

One 39 year old TV resident arrested for contempt of court.

So, one arrest for a community of 90,000 during our busiest season of the year, a non-violent charge (remember these are not convictions). I still don't feel that there are too many TV residents exhibiting "bad behavior." I certainly don't feel the need to take away their billiard privileges.

Good idea posting this.:coolsmiley:

[buggyone]

The Friends of the NRA presentation by Figmo will not hurt anything and may be useful to snowbirds after they go home. Certainly, no need for carrying weapons here in The Villages. Hopefully, Figomo will give a lot of pointers on gun safety at home - and stress that most gun deaths at home are either on purpose by a family member to another family member or accidental on the part of a family member. I am sure he will stress locking up the gun when kids are in the house.

How many gun deaths in the US are accidental and how many are in the commission of a crime?

[Jim 9922]

There are more deaths by guns in the US than deaths by golf carts. Maybe they (our overpaid, underworked bureaucrates) can pass laws limiting speeding bullets to 10, 15 or 20 MPH. The only thing wrong is they couldn't give you a traffic ticket for it! :evil6:

[CMANN]

The Friends of the NRA presentation by Figmo will not hurt anything and may be useful to snowbirds after they go home. Certainly, no need for carrying weapons here in The Villages. Hopefully, Figomo will give a lot of pointers on gun safety at home - and stress that most gun deaths at home are either on purpose by a family member to another family member or accidental on the part of a family member. I am sure he will stress locking up the gun when kids are in the house.

How many gun deaths in the US are accidental and how many are in the commission of a crime?

Long before we were required to lock up our guns, my children came to me one day to tell me that they had found my gun. It was out of reach but the important thing is that they came to me. They were 8 & 5. Training starts at age 4. Locks fail but proper training lasts forever.

Just some thoughts

[Barefoot]

On Thursday, February 2, Villages Friends of the NRA will be having a special presentation for women (and couples):

Presentation by members Ellen Rodgers/Loren Collett : (Both NRA Certified Instructors)

Personal Protection for Women /Refuse to be a victim

3:00 pm at Hibiscus Recreation Center (All are welcome)

This is FREE, you will get some very good information on personal protection with and without a firearm and things you can do around the home for added security.

Thanks Figmo. I think there might be a large crowd in attendance.

[Figmo Bohica]

maybe they can use it when they go home.

I really think the lady at the local hospital could have used the information that Mrs Ellen Rogers and Loren Collett will be giving our for free. BTW, she will be taking it home, she lives here. Have a nice day.

[buggyone]

I presume the information you would have told the lady at the Villages Hospital would be not to park in an isolated part of the parking lot and to be vigilant of her surroundings. It would not be, I hope, to walk from her car to the employee entrance with her pistol drawn ready to blast at someone who talked to her.

I am sure you will be giving good information at your seminar with all the good experience you have had. I am going to ask my wife to attend it.

[Figmo Bohica]

I have two siminars that I give, one for non-firearm personal protection and the other for CWL holders. I will be giving both on this date, your first example, above, any trainer would never tell anyone to do, besides being against the law in Florida, open carry is not legal and that is what you are suggesting. Both power points are interesting and everyone can kearn a lot from both of them concerning personal protection.

[graciegirl]

I have two siminars that I give, one for non-firearm personal protection and the other for CWL holders. I will be giving both on this date, your first example, above, any trainer would never tell anyone to do, besides being against the law in Florida, open carry is not legal and that is what you are suggesting. Both power points are interesting and everyone can kearn a lot from both of them concerning personal protection.

Common sense works well too. AND working very hard and managing your money and not over spending on things you don't need so you can live in a relatively safe area. I think that may be why I reached the age of 70 without too much trouble or a need to carry a gun. But you never know........

I think you would seat more people in Orlando.

[Figmo Bohica]

I don't live in Orlando.

[memason]

Alrighty then.....


:popcorn:

[cappyjon431]

Today's Police Blotter:

33 arrests last week in the tri-county area. Only two TV residents:

One 33 year old TV resident arrested for grand theft.
One 21 year old arrested for order to commit. .

So, two arrests for a community of 90,000 during our busiest season of the year, both non-violent charges (remember these are not convictions). I still don't feel that there are too many TV residents exhibiting "bad behavior." I certainly don't feel the need to take away their shuffleboard privileges.

[zcaveman]

I have two siminars that I give, one for non-firearm personal protection and the other for CWL holders. I will be giving both on this date, your first example, above, any trainer would never tell anyone to do, besides being against the law in Florida, open carry is not legal and that is what you are suggesting. Both power points are interesting and everyone can kearn a lot from both of them concerning personal protection.

Could you please tell me the number of the post you are referring to in this response? I cannot seem to find it so I can figure out what his examples were and what the date of your seminars are.

Thanks,
Z

[Figmo Bohica]

I guess post #191. February 2, Hibuscus Rec Center, 3 PM. Best I can figure out.

[zcaveman]

I guess post #191. February 2, Hibuscus Rec Center, 3 PM. Best I can figure out.

I have two siminars that I give, one for non-firearm personal protection and the other for CWL holders. I will be giving both on this date, your first example, above, any trainer would never tell anyone to do, besides being against the law in Florida, open carry is not legal and that is what you are suggesting. Both power points are interesting and everyone can kearn a lot from both of them concerning personal protection. .

Thanks but that did not tell me what you were referring to with the rest of the note I quoted. The part I was interested in.

Z

[Skybo]

Thanks but that did not tell me what you were referring to with the rest of the note I quoted. The part I was interested in.

Z

I think Figmo was referring to post #200, specifically “It would not be, I hope, to walk from her car to the employee entrance with her pistol drawn ready to blast at someone who talked to her.”

[DouglasGK]

Jerry Seinfeld said, "why do people keep going to gunpoint? It's just too dangerous."

I thought it was funny ... couldn't resist :-)

[graciegirl]

Jerry Seinfeld said, "why do people keep going to gunpoint? It's just too dangerous."

I thought it was funny ... couldn't resist :-)


Almost like "Always leave them laughing." is Enter funny. Welcome. Tell us about you!

P.S. I just read your other posts and you will be Charlotteers soon. Excellent choice!

[zcaveman]

I think Figmo was referring to post #200, specifically “It would not be, I hope, to walk from her car to the employee entrance with her pistol drawn ready to blast at someone who talked to her.”

Thanks. That was it.

[cappyjon431]

A busy weerk on the Police Blotter:

45 arrests last week in the tri-county area. Only three TV residents:

One 29 year old TV resident arrested for DUI.
One 62 year old TV resident arrested for DUI.
One 57 year old TV resident arrested for aggravated battery and false imprisonment.

So, three arrests for a community of 90,000 during our busiest season of the year. I still don't feel that there are too many TV residents exhibiting "bad behavior." I certainly don't feel the need to take away their line dancing privileges.