Any Ideas On what to do

[Penguin]

Any Ideas on what I might do with this situation. As you can see this transformer on some other thing is around 4 feet from the back of my new house. I'm so mad right now I cant think straight. Any help would be appreciated.

[Happinow]

Well I guess you'll have to make lemonade out of lemons! Plant some nice greenery around it...if they'll let you. Have to disguise it somehow. Didn't you see this prior to building?? It could be worse but not what you wanted in your back yard. Sorry....

[angiefox10]

There have been several threads about this. It's been referred to the "ugly green thing". I have no suggestions. If it was me, I think I would in fact plant some sea grass around it.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Penguin, sorry to hear about that.

Re: any plantings - Refer to the following parameters from SECO:

http://www.secoenergy.com/planting.html

Bill :)

[graciegirl]

I don't understand why you are mad.

Ya have to have them.

[getdul981]

I don't understand why you are mad.

Ya have to have them.

But haven't you heard, Gracie? NOT IN MY BACK YARD!! Both houses we've had have had them in our back yard. We planed some Mewliegh Grass around the first house. Haven't done anything here yet. Waiting for the lot behind us to have a house built before we do any landscaping back there.

[bkcunningham1]

I showed my husband and he said you had better be very careful digging around that you may get electrocuted. Please be careful and call MissUtilities or whom ever it is that located utilities before you dig. I'd be upset too though it that makes you feel any better.

[bkcunningham1]

Also, according to my husband, if you aren't happy now; you are going to be a whole lot more unhappy when they set the other transformer on top of the pad. The photo shows a pad where another green transformer will be set.

[quiltsheddy@aol.com]

Every house has some kind of underground utility box or boxes in their yard. We planted a beautiful butterfly garden surrounding ours. Hibiscus, lantana, firecracker plants, verbena. We put the bird feeder there along with a small bird bath. It's really quite lovely. The utility man was here this week and he commented on how nice it looked. He had no trouble getting into it for inspection even though the plants are quite close. The frost did get some of our plants, so I think I'll go with some grasses to supplement.

[getdul981]

When I said "we planted", I meant to say McGowan's planted. I'm sure they know the depths and hazards of digging around the transformers.

[Penguin]

I don't understand why you are mad.

Ya have to have them.

Are you serious. Would like that thing 4 feet from your back door, not somewhere in the backyard. 4 FEET FROM THE BACK DOOR:cus:

[Penguin]

Every house has some kind of underground utility box or boxes in their yard. We planted a beautiful butterfly garden surrounding ours. Hibiscus, lantana, firecracker plants, verbena. We put the bird feeder there along with a small bird bath. It's really quite lovely. The utility man was here this week and he commented on how nice it looked. He had no trouble getting into it for inspection even though the plants are quite close. The frost did get some of our plants, so I think I'll go with some grasses to supplement.

I totally understand about the utility boxes in the back yard and agree that disguiseing them with plantings is a great idea, but as I said its way too close to the exit door of the Lanai and it seems too close to even plant shrubs around it. Thats my dilema. Does anyone know of some kind of a code saying how close it can be to a dwelling?

[The Village Girl]

There is one between every other lot line. You don't have any back yard and it has to go somewhere. If you look at the other homes, everyone will have somewhere on their lot or close to their lot.

If you didn't want something like that close to your home, you would have to have paid for a larger lot.

Or built a smaller home. :)

[getdul981]

Did you get a copy of the survey or th drawing of the layout of the house on the property? I'm betting they are within the code guide lines, but you could probably call the county zoning office or building permit office to see what the minimum is.

[Penguin]

Did you get a copy of the survey or th drawing of the layout of the house on the property? I'm betting they are within the code guide lines, but you could probably call the county zoning office or building permit office to see what the minimum is.

Yes Greg I looked at the platt of survey and it shows the utility box 11 feet from the dwelling.

[Penguin]

There is one between every other lot line. You don't have any back yard and it has to go somewhere. If you look at the other homes, everyone will have somewhere on their lot or close to their lot.

If you didn't want something like that close to your home, you would have to have paid for a larger lot.

Or built a smaller home. :)

I wish I would have know that it can be an issue based on lot size. I just hate surprises.

[bkcunningham1]

How confident are you that the house is built in the correct place? Something seems very wrong in regards to the right-of-way and where your house is located. It would seem to be encroaching on the right-of-way. The photo shows your sod. I assume that is your property line. The boxes would normally be put there, but the house is very close to the right-of-way where you aren't allowed to build. I don't know what you would be able to do now. I hate it for you.

[Trish Crocker]

Penguin, I'll trade you...you come up here and look outside at the cold, dead looking trees and grass and approaching snow clouds..front AND back of my house...I'll come down there and check out your green box. Heck, if I end up with one in my yard, I'll just name it and drink a toast to it every day...it helps to maintain the lifestyle!

[Penguin]

Penguin, I'll trade you...you come up here and look outside at the cold, dead looking trees and grass and approaching snow clouds..front AND back of my house...I'll come down there and check out your green box. Heck, if I end up with one in my yard, I'll just name it and drink a toast to it every day...it helps to maintain the lifestyle!

I hear ya Trish, I'm here in northern IL and not driving a golf cart. I will take your advice and have a cocktail every day. I will also give it a name but I would not be able to tell any of you, at least not on this forum:laugh:

[pauld315]

Have you closed on the house yet ?

[LvmyPug2]

I'm so sorry you have this and do agree you should dig into why it shows the box is 11 ft from the house on your plans but ended up being much closer. In the mean time, I'd suggest getting some large pots and planting something big and leafy in them. Pots can be moved for access so you can put them closer than seco allows plantings

[graciegirl]

I wish I would have know that it can be an issue based on lot size. I just hate surprises.

Here is a picture of ours, not yet planted around. It is near the property line in the back. We planted bottle brush in front of the others. Pots are a good idea.

bk...you have NO say where they place your house. We tried to have ours face the other street. No go.

[2 Oldcrabs]

I would complain to your sales person. It looks like your screen door in the open position is about 2' away. Maybe they can change the door to the side of the lanai. Also I would wait until you have neighbors and work with them to plant around the utility boxes. ( The green box is a padmount transformer and the box with wires sticking out is for cable tv) When planting around the transformer one side has a "bolt" low and center. This is the side a worker needs to get to to open. The other side has the hinges. Keep in mind they have a "right-of-way" to the utility boxes and can cut down anything you plant too close. The good thing is, once all the houses are done they rarely need to get in the boxes.

[graciegirl]

Any Ideas on what I might do with this situation. As you can see this transformer on some other thing is around 4 feet from the back of my new house. I'm so mad right now I cant think straight. Any help would be appreciated.

It looks as if it is four foot from the pad that comes out your lanai. Our pad that comes out of our lanai is about four foot square, I am pretty sure those pads are all about the same size. If it set on the lot line would that be eleven foot to the lot line?

It has to be at the edge of the lot line I think. Half of ALL of us have them I think. It is true that it depends on the size of your lot. This is a very good thread indeed and a heads up for folks. They are necessary evils but you will have about a fifty percent chance of having one placed in the back of your property line. So beware.

We are having so much fun, I am not angry. It is what it is. BUT EVERYONE NEW, remember this when you are picking your lot size.

Here is ours.

[elevatorman]

They will not move them. You could ask to have the door moved to the other end of the lanai. Or go with GG's idea, pot. I understand pot plants are very bushy.:1rotfl:

[bkcunningham1]

Here is a picture of ours, not yet planted around. It is near the property line in the back. We planted bottle brush in front of the others. Pots are a good idea.

bk...you have NO say where they place your house. We tried to have ours face the other street. No go.

I thought you had to have a setback of a certain distance from the easements Grace. I mean, you can't build within a certain distance from the property line and the easements. I don't know to be honest. My husband said they are everywhere and everyone has them. Nothing you can do about it.

I know we bought a house for my husband's father on the golf course on the historic side. The property has a box like that but it is about 40 feet from the house on the corner of the lot. But it is a huge lot. I think the box for the houses on our cul-de-sac is hidden in a nice little park in the middle of the cul-de-sac.

What can you do except set out beautiful pots with lovely plants.

[EdV]

GG, I think that the transformer is only four feet from the back of the house like he said and is ridiculously close. If his transformer were as far back as yours is, I don’t think he would have started this thread.

Penguin, exhaust all avenues before accepting this. If all else fails, I’d move the door and smother the ugly beast with vegetation.

[Penguin]

GG, I think that the transformer is only four feet from the back of the house like he said and is ridiculously close. If his transformer were as far back as yours is, I don’t think he would have started this thread.

Penguin, exhaust all avenues before accepting this. If all else fails, I’d move the door and smother the ugly beast with vegetation.

I could not agree with you more. The other picture that was posted clearly shows the transformer at least 10 feet back from the home and that would be fine with me. I realize the transformers have to be there but the 4 feet away is what set me off. After looking at the platt, it looks like they built the house too far back. The platt shows the house 10 ft from the property line. I'm no surveyor but things dont look right. I believe the transformer is in the correct place but the house is not. This issue IS being looked into by my sales rep so lets see where this goes. Again I ask,what leagally can be done and if nothing I will definitly try to have the door moved and plant pots, but for now does little for my frustration.

[Penguin]

Have you closed on the house yet ?

I have not. I close on Jan 20th, thats kinda why I'm scrambling for help and info on this issue.

[angiefox10]

Just sent you two PMs.

[English Ivy]

I could not agree with you more. The other picture that was posted clearly shows the transformer at least 10 feet back from the home and that would be fine with me. I realize the transformers have to be there but the 4 feet away is what set me off. After looking at the platt, it looks like they built the house too far back. The platt shows the house 10 ft from the property line. I'm no surveyor but things dont look right. I believe the transformer is in the correct place but the house is not. This issue IS being looked into by my sales rep so lets see where this goes. Again I ask,what leagally can be done and if nothing I will definitly try to have the door moved and plant pots, but for now does little for my frustration.

If the house was put in the wrong location this is certainly a time that legal representation to purchase a new home in The Villages would be required. Do not let them railroad you into closing before this is resolved. Scream as loud and long as you have to on this one ... I would.

[HelenLCSW]

Penguin, sorry to hear about that.

Re: any plantings - Refer to the following parameters from SECO:

http://www.secoenergy.com/planting.html

Bill :)
We don't have power lines so don't have to worry about spacing plants

[RichieB]

If the house was put in the wrong location this is certainly a time that legal representation to purchase a new home in The Villages would be required. Do not let them railroad you into closing before this is resolved. Scream as loud and long as you have to on this one ... I would.

:agree: STRONGLY !

[JC and John]

Any Ideas on what I might do with this situation. As you can see this transformer on some other thing is around 4 feet from the back of my new house. I'm so mad right now I cant think straight. Any help would be appreciated.

Penquin, Just wondering if you bumped out your lanai or garage and what type of house you built. This may account for such close proximity to the transformer. Thanks so much for bringing this up as we will be building a designer home starting in Feb. and will certainly keep an eye out for discrepancies etc. Good luck!

[graciegirl]

I know one thing for sure. If it was incorrectly placed too close to your house or incorrectly as to your contract with them in any way, if they messed up, I feel very sure they will fix it.

You won't have to do anything legally. First thing tomorrow, call the warrenty department, or your builder, or both. I know it will be made right. If you are in TV measure the distance from your house to the big green thing.

Don't worry. They are out to make you happy. They have nothing to gain by pulling a fast one.

[Whalen]

Sorry to hear about your problem and understand why you are upset.

I agree, those utility boxes are a little to close for comfort.

Please let us know how this all turns out.

[Penguin]

Penquin, Just wondering if you bumped out your lanai or garage and what type of house you built. This may account for such close proximity to the transformer. Thanks so much for bringing this up as we will be building a designer home starting in Feb. and will certainly keep an eye out for discrepancies etc. Good luck!

JC and JOHN, I had no bump outs on the house,lanai or garage. I hope to remain optimistic like Gracie is saying and I hope she is right. I have a legitimate beef and I intend to make it right.

[graciegirl]

JC and JOHN, I had no bump outs on the house,lanai or garage. I hope to remain optimistic like Gracie is saying and I hope she is right. I have a legitimate beef and I intend to make it right.

I looked at the plat map and it does look like it is supposed to be on the lot behind you.

[Penguin]

Quick question, does the transformer box make niose, I heard they kinda hum.

[graciegirl]

Quick question, does the transformer box make niose, I heard they kinda hum.

I don't think so. We had one at our other house too in Hadley. They just kinda sit there and wait until you plant something in front of them and they sort of disappear. That house had a really small back yard and it was in the corner of the yard.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Quick question, does the transformer box make niose, I heard they kinda hum.

I've heard some transformers that hum a bit.......and some that don't at all.

Bill :)

[angiefox10]

Hum or sing???? Do hum a tune? :sing::sing::sing:


Bill started it!!!! :popcorn:

[Penguin]

I have one to sing to the box...NA NA NA NA... NA NA NA NA....HEY HEY HEY... GOOD BYE

Thanks Angie and Bill

[Jhooman]

That green thang is so close to your lanai. Mine is further away, sorry for the eye sore. In Los Angeles, it would have graffiti applied.

[jebartle]

Every house has some kind of underground utility box or boxes in their yard. We planted a beautiful butterfly garden surrounding ours. Hibiscus, lantana, firecracker plants, verbena. We put the bird feeder there along with a small bird bath. It's really quite lovely. The utility man was here this week and he commented on how nice it looked. He had no trouble getting into it for inspection even though the plants are quite close. The frost did get some of our plants, so I think I'll go with some grasses to supplement.

So sorry penguin, but making lemonade out of lemons might be the solution..

[THE NEWCOMER]

ABORT, ABORT, that transformer is a SHOW STOPPER. If you can, walk away. There is probably a easement involved with that TRANSFORMER. If something goes wrong, they will have to DIG to get to that transformer. Your future home is probably sitting on the easement for the TRANFORMER!

[RichieB]

No doubt what's adding to the frustration is the inability to take any action on the weekend. Reminds me of an IRS letter that I received a few years ago on Saturday of a 3-day weekend - FRUSTRATING - couldn't do anything until Tuesday !

Now it's Monday, and hopefully you'll be able to get started on this.

Good luck, Penguin !

[graciegirl]

ABORT, ABORT, that transformer is a SHOW STOPPER. If you can, walk away. There is probably a easement involved with that TRANSFORMER. If something goes wrong, they will have to DIG to get to that transformer. Your future home is probably sitting on the easement for the TRANFORMER!

It may be close...But I THINK they are on every other lot. We have underground utilities here.

[jblum315]

MIne is at least 20 feet away from my lanai.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

.......Your future home is probably sitting on the easement for the TRANFORMER!

Serious doubts about that being the case. Easy to find out - find the plat map where the various easements are shown.....then you'll know for sure.

If it DOES happen to be the case - and it CAN happen - no company in their right mind will issue a title insurance policy on the property without questions being asked beforehand.

Bill :)

[janmcn]

I could not agree with you more. The other picture that was posted clearly shows the transformer at least 10 feet back from the home and that would be fine with me. I realize the transformers have to be there but the 4 feet away is what set me off. After looking at the platt, it looks like they built the house too far back. The platt shows the house 10 ft from the property line. I'm no surveyor but things dont look right. I believe the transformer is in the correct place but the house is not. This issue IS being looked into by my sales rep so lets see where this goes. Again I ask,what leagally can be done and if nothing I will definitly try to have the door moved and plant pots, but for now does little for my frustration.

What does your sales rep say about this? He/She should have been out there yesterday investigating and reporting back to you.

[Penguin]

UPDATE:

My sources tell me the transformer box is actually supposed to be on the lot in back of mine. Bottom line its in the wrong place. My sales rep has been notified and aware of the mistake. Here's what gets me though, dont they have inspectors for these sorts of things? Someone should have been out at the site making sure everthing goes where its supposed to be and dont tell me that no one noticed that box was way too close to the house. I will hold my incompetent comments until I gather more facts.

[THE NEWCOMER]

Please keep us informed because there has been a HUGE MISTAKE MADE! Someone knows what's going on and is not talking. :cus: Buyer BEWARE!

[Trish Crocker]

Penguin, I just wanted to apologize for making a joke about this. I don't blame you for being upset and I really hope that it all gets worked out for you. Please keep us posted, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Trish

[linandvin]

Put bottlebrush and other plants in front of it. Set a drink on it. Then head to the front where the garage door is and stare at that beautiful Cutlas!

[THE NEWCOMER]

Any Ideas on what I might do with this situation. As you can see this transformer on some other thing is around 4 feet from the back of my new house. I'm so mad right now I cant think straight. Any help would be appreciated.

What is the latest on your situation with the TRANSFORMER?

[DDoug]

Get some paint and put some pretty flowers or shrubs on it and it will always look like a planting in the back yard you wont even notice it Lemon to lemon aide just add ice

[golf4me]

Please keep us informed because there has been a HUGE MISTAKE MADE! Someone knows what's going on and is not talking. :cus: Buyer BEWARE!

Not necessarily.

[JC and John]

I looked at the plat map and it does look like it is supposed to be on the lot behind you.

Hello Graciegirl, Not so sure this is behind us. Our lot map is showing a telephone pedestal and line extender pedestal. When we were there in August, didn't see any transformer on the lot behind us. We are lot 180 at the top of Rain Lily Loop in section 177. We shall see come Feb.

[angiefox10]

Hello Graciegirl, Not so sure this is behind us. Our lot map is showing a telephone pedestal and line extender pedestal. When we were there in August, didn't see any transformer on the lot behind us. We are lot 180 at the top of Rain Lily Loop in section 177. We shall see come Feb.

You have a Transformer at the far corner of your lot. You also have a VERY large lot. I don't even think you will notice it. We have a Transformer on our lot I think closer then yours and we don't notice it

[Penguin]

Hello Graciegirl, Not so sure this is behind us. Our lot map is showing a telephone pedestal and line extender pedestal. When we were there in August, didn't see any transformer on the lot behind us. We are lot 180 at the top of Rain Lily Loop in section 177. We shall see come Feb.

I think she was speaking of my situation not yours.

[buggyone]

This proves a very good reason to buy a re-sale home. What you see is what you get!

You do not have to think about a shopping center going up in the vacant field next door that is not Villages property; you do not get a transformer box 4 feet from your back door; you do not have to disguise utility boxes; it is all there.

Like I advocate - a re-sale is usually a better deal than a new home.

[Penguin]

This proves a very good reason to buy a re-sale home. What you see is what you get!

You do not have to think about a shopping center going up in the vacant field next door that is not Villages property; you do not get a transformer box 4 feet from your back door; you do not have to disguise utility boxes; it is all there.

Like I advocate - a re-sale is usually a better deal than a new home.

Point well taken and very true. But I was niave to the whole situation.

[English Ivy]

Point well taken and very true. But I was niave to the whole situation.

So what's the outcome? Was a mistake made or did you just not realize how close it would be?

[Happinow]

Resale is wonderful but nothing like building your own. Penguin, if this green transformer was not where it was, would you be completely happy with your new home? I bet you would be. You built it so I'm guessing you love it! After all of this gets fixed, you will go back to remembering what a joyful experience you've had and that you are living your dream. Give it time and things will work out. They will most likely fix the problem and move it. They do want you to be happy! In worse case, do what everyone else has suggested and plant around it best you can and thank God that you have the opportunity to live in TV! I know it sounds casual for a not so good situation but in the big scheme of things your home is probably beautiful. I see on our lot, when looking at it, we have the same green transformer in the back left corner. Until we build, I don't know how close it will come to our home. We'll just have to see. It it's really close....I'll still love the home I built and will be happy there. I'm trying to lift your spirits...I hope I have. Anxious to see if they correct this or they need to pay to have your back door moved to the other side. Best of luck.

[angiefox10]

Resale is wonderful but nothing like building your own. Penguin, if this green transformer was not where it was, would you be completely happy with your new home? I bet you would be. You built it so I'm guessing you love it! After all of this gets fixed, you will go back to remembering what a joyful experience you've had and that you are living your dream. Give it time and things will work out. They will most likely fix the problem and move it. They do want you to be happy! In worse case, do what everyone else has suggested and plant around it best you can and thank God that you have the opportunity to live in TV! I know it sounds casual for a not so good situation but in the big scheme of things your home is probably beautiful. I see on our lot, when looking at it, we have the same green transformer in the back left corner. Until we build, I don't know how close it will come to our home. We'll just have to see. It it's really close....I'll still love the home I built and will be happy there. I'm trying to lift your spirits...I hope I have. Anxious to see if they correct this or they need to pay to have your back door moved to the other side. Best of luck.

:agree:

What a lovely response.

I agree they will do everything they can to make the OP happy. This is all going to be fine.

[graciegirl]

Resale is wonderful but nothing like building your own. Penguin, if this green transformer was not where it was, would you be completely happy with your new home? I bet you would be. You built it so I'm guessing you love it! After all of this gets fixed, you will go back to remembering what a joyful experience you've had and that you are living your dream. Give it time and things will work out. They will most likely fix the problem and move it. They do want you to be happy! In worse case, do what everyone else has suggested and plant around it best you can and thank God that you have the opportunity to live in TV! I know it sounds casual for a not so good situation but in the big scheme of things your home is probably beautiful. I see on our lot, when looking at it, we have the same green transformer in the back left corner. Until we build, I don't know how close it will come to our home. We'll just have to see. It it's really close....I'll still love the home I built and will be happy there. I'm trying to lift your spirits...I hope I have. Anxious to see if they correct this or they need to pay to have your back door moved to the other side. Best of luck.

Your kind post has started my day with a smile. I hope it all works out that Penquin is as happy as we are. These homes are the Lily Pads for us frogs, our last hurrah and we want them to be perfect...NOT disappointing. I shouldn't have asked "Why are you mad?". That was so insensitive. I just think of those big green things as part and parcel of our homes here.

Fingers crossed for a happy ending here, Penguin.

[RichieB]

Resale is wonderful but nothing like building your own.

Until we build, I don't know how close it will come to our home. We'll just have to see. It it's really close....I'll still love the home I built and will be happy there. I'm trying to lift your spirits...I hope I have. Anxious to see if they correct this or they need to pay to have your back door moved to the other side. Best of luck.

:agree:

If you have never built a home the way YOU want it, then get the chance, then that's the way you go.

I am certain that both of you are doing your homework, like with Penguin's transformer problem, so you have ideas about what to look out for. This forum is great for that.

[The Village Girl]

Your kind post has started my day with a smile. I hope it all works out that Penquin is as happy as we are. These homes are our Lily Pads for us frogs, our last hurrah and we want them to be perfect...NOT disappointing. I shouldn't have asked "Why are you mad?". That was so insensitive. I just think of those big green things as part and parcel of our homes here.

Fingers crossed for a happy ending here, Penquin.

Gracie,

I don't think any of us realized how close this was located to the house and exactly where. I for one thought it was on the side of his lanai. After many postings I got it through my thick head what had happened.

Happinow,

This was a very kind post and made my day as well. :)

[RichieB]

Fingers crossed for a happy ending here, Penquin.

:agree:

I am sure that Penguin will let us know the outcome, especially since there is so much interest.

[Penguin]

So what's the outcome? Was a mistake made or did you just not realize how close it would be?

There was a mistake made and outcome is pending. I'll let everyone know as soon as I do. My sales rep is working on it.

[Penguin]

Resale is wonderful but nothing like building your own. Penguin, if this green transformer was not where it was, would you be completely happy with your new home? I bet you would be. You built it so I'm guessing you love it! After all of this gets fixed, you will go back to remembering what a joyful experience you've had and that you are living your dream. Give it time and things will work out. They will most likely fix the problem and move it. They do want you to be happy! In worse case, do what everyone else has suggested and plant around it best you can and thank God that you have the opportunity to live in TV! I know it sounds casual for a not so good situation but in the big scheme of things your home is probably beautiful. I see on our lot, when looking at it, we have the same green transformer in the back left corner. Until we build, I don't know how close it will come to our home. We'll just have to see. It it's really close....I'll still love the home I built and will be happy there. I'm trying to lift your spirits...I hope I have. Anxious to see if they correct this or they need to pay to have your back door moved to the other side. Best of luck.

Thanks sooooo much for your kind thoughts and you are right. Sometimes we have to give ourselves a reality check and thank God for what we have and what we are able to do. I'm glad i started this post, not only to maybe help and inform others but I made a few new friends. How cool is that. I will keep everyone in the loop once I find out the outcome.

[bkcunningham1]

Best wishes Penquin. What a beautiful reply to you from Happinow and what a genuine and nice response from you.

[Happinow]

Thank you all for brightening MY day! Onward and upward Penguin! Seize the day! If I can, I try to look on the bright side of things. I figure if we are healthy and mostly happy, (with the exception of a few glitches) then it's a good day. By the way....my license plate in NY is HAPPINOW! My husband's is HAPPITOO! We are happy! :):)

[RichieB]

By the way....my license plate in NY is HAPPINOW! My husband's is HAPPITOO! We are happy! :):)

That is SO cute !

Now, if you can get those plates in Florida !

[THE NEWCOMER]

There was a mistake made and outcome is pending. I'll let everyone know as soon as I do. My sales rep is working on it.

How far do they need to move that TRANSFORMER so they have the proper distance for the easement?

[Pturner]

How confident are you that the house is built in the correct place? Something seems very wrong in regards to the right-of-way and where your house is located. It would seem to be encroaching on the right-of-way. The photo shows your sod. I assume that is your property line. The boxes would normally be put there, but the house is very close to the right-of-way where you aren't allowed to build. I don't know what you would be able to do now. I hate it for you.

I thought something similar. The utility box looks from the photo as if it is in the right place at the edge of the property; but that the house looks as if it does not meet "normal" setback requirements. I don't know what Sumpter County's setback requirements are. I'm used to requirements that buildings be no closer than 35 feet from the edge of the property line.

Penquin, is your home within 35 feet of the back and/or side of your lot? It looks that way from the photo, but maybe due to other construction, they just haven't completed putting in the sod.

It seems that it would be at least worth a call find out why the utility box is closer to your home than shown on the platt.

[angiefox10]

I thought something similar. The utility box looks from the photo as if it is in the right place at the edge of the property; but that the house looks as if it does not meet "normal" setback requirements. I don't know what Sumpter County's setback requirements are. I'm used to requirements that buildings be no closer than 35 feet from the edge of the property line.

Penquin, is your home within 35 feet of the back and/or side of your lot? It looks that way from the photo, but maybe due to other construction, they just haven't completed putting in the sod.

It seems that it would be at least worth a call find out why the utility box is closer to your home than shown on the platt.

There was a mistake. The Transformer box is supposed to be in the property behind him. From what he is saying, they are going to move the door and plant around the box to make it look nice.

[Pturner]

Yes, I see now that a mistake was made. I posted my previous response before I saw that.

Hurray that a mistake has been acknowledged! Good for you Penquin for pursuing it. More fingers crossed for a happy ending, which does seem to be in the offing. Please let us know.

[Talk Host]

Hi folks, remember me? I stop by the forum from time to time and read what you folks are up to.

I want to post a personal experience here. We too had a green box in our back yard and we too planted nice plants around it. In short order, the plants had blocked the box from our view.

Then, a lightening storm blew a couple of fuses in the box and the electric company came to replace them. The first thing the crew did was chop down our plants....TO THE GROUND.

After their work was done, they came to the house and informed us that we cannot put shrubs around the box, thus blocking access to the electric box. It is their easement and we have no right to plant there, and they have to have immediate access to the equipment.

Something to think about. See you all some time in the future.


JLK

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Who's this Talk Host fellow? :undecided:

:1rotfl:

Hey - - - welcome back!

Bill :)

[2BNTV]

I Remember You :sing:

Thanks for starting this wonderful site. :)

[CaptJohn]

After their work was done, they came to the house and informed us that we cannot put shrubs around the box, thus blocking access to the electric box. It is their easement and we have no right to plant there,

They might have that right to forbid planting if it were a 'right of way' but an easement is different and it sounds like they pushed their authority some. I've got about 40 years experience in real estate and have a paralegal certificate along with some other experience in these areas.
I would carefully read the property restrictions on this issue. If it clearly says so, then OK, but their easement doesn't cover everything in your yard so there has to be a mentioned distance that you can't plant within. Most restrictions only allow them reasonable access and that could leave a lot of gray area for interpretation. The key issue would be how far from it can you plant around it.

[Talk Host]

They might have that right to forbid planting if it were a 'right of way' but an easement is different and it sounds like they pushed their authority some. I've got about 40 years experience in real estate and have a paralegal certificate along with some other experience in these areas.
I would carefully read the property restrictions on this issue. If it clearly says so, then OK, but their easement doesn't cover everything in your yard so there has to be a mentioned distance that you can't plant within. Most restrictions only allow them reasonable access and that could leave a lot of gray area for interpretation. The key issue would be how far from it can you plant around it.


This information notwithstanding, it is still a good idea to have some solid information before you plant. Our bushes were blocking their reasonable access, so they cut them down.

[THE NEWCOMER]

The fourth reply by BILL-N-BRILLO gave you the planting requirements from SECO!

Penguin, sorry to hear about that.

Re: any plantings - Refer to the following parameters from SECO:

http://www.secoenergy.com/planting.html

Bill

Minimum of 3' on the sides and 10' in the front. Since Penguin only has 4' to the house I don't see how anything will work. What is the latest with the TRANSFORMER Penguin? When will they be moving the TRANSFORMER?

[Penguin]

Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai. She also said that was suprised that someone let this issue get to this point without saying anything. In other words someone knew something was'nt right. She also said that from now on she was going to be very specific letting her future customers know everything about the lots they choose. Bothers me that it wil be at my expense. And now after reading the posts of not being able to plant around the transformer, I"m at my wits end. I'm really trying to remain calm and optomistic but there's got to be something that can be done, unfortunatly I dont know what it is. I'm sorry but I really feel like I've been misled and am very disappointed with The Villages in general. My sales rep did offer to pay for this herself, bless her heart, but I said that was'nt necessary. So I'm still thankful and hoping for the best.

[Happinow]

I'm actually at a loss for words. IMHO, TV should have taken care of this for you in some way....not at your expense. Sorry to hear things haven't gone so good. You can only move on from here and enjoy what you have! Best of luck and thanks for keeping us posted.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Penguin, here's something to consider/check out:

I went back and looked more closely at the photo of the transformer in your original post. It looks as though, based on the positioning of the hinges on the top, the access door will be on the side of the box facing your lanai. Also, it appears as thought the box is mostly offset from being fully behind the lanai.......but not totally.

If SECO really sticks by their guns regarding the clearances they need for adequate access to the transformer (see post #4 of this thread - which shows 10 ft. minimum clearance to the pad), then they should have an issue with the placement.

Personally, I'd continue to pursue it further.

Bill :)

[THE NEWCOMER]

Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai. She also said that was suprised that someone let this issue get to this point without saying anything. In other words someone knew something was'nt right. She also said that from now on she was going to be very specific letting her future customers know everything about the lots they choose. Bothers me that it wil be at my expense. And now after reading the posts of not being able to plant around the transformer, I"m at my wits end. I'm really trying to remain calm and optomistic but there's got to be something that can be done, unfortunatly I dont know what it is. I'm sorry but I really feel like I've been misled and am very disappointed with The Villages in general. My sales rep did offer to pay for this herself, bless her heart, but I said that was'nt necessary. So I'm still thankful and hoping for the best.

Penguin, you need legal representation that is looking out for YOUR interest. You got five working days before closing to straighten out this mess. No more MR. NICEGUY, get a LAWYER and get out of this situation. There is plenty more houses to be build in the VILLAGES. Someone on this WEBSITE needs to MANUP and help Penquin with a name of a LAWYER in the area. PENGUIN NEEDS YOUR HELP! :boxing2:

[Jim 9922]

I feel sorry for Penguin. Unfortunately that box will always be there as a reminder of some of the not-too-perfect things that can go wrong in TV, and it will be there at resale time too; not the problem of the sales person or the developer.
It also demonstrates a strong reason to consider an existing home rather than being one of the first new ones on the block. In my opinion TV does a good job of hiding from a new buyer the closeness of the houses, intrusion of the utility boxes, rec center noises, etc. It seems to me that over the years the model centers are usually built around larger lots and cul-de-sacs with open lots sprinkled within for "parking", lots near rec centers are sold first before the tennis and pickleball courts startup (noise), and traffic in the parking lots becomes heavy, or the new house backs up to what becomes a heavily traveled street, utility boxes don't look that big in the wide open spaces, and the sewage treatment plant has not started to operate, etc, etc. Many of the spec houses built in a neighborhood are placed on staggered lots so there appears to be room on the sides and back when you are walking on empty lots. It is amazing how close 10 foot lot line setbacks become once you have neighbors on all sides and becomes even smaller when the neighbors plant big, tall, bushy privacy hedges along the lot lines or the neighbor's little dog starts yapping all the time.
I fully recognize the pros and cons of new vs resale, but it hurts to see many newbees rush into a three or four day decision without a whole lot of serious investigation, experience and vision. I am sure a goodly number of our Villagers' second purchases are to correct mistakes after they see what they should have seen the first time!
I have no problem with the fact that the sales people owe their employment, heart and well-being to the developer. Buyers must always keep that in mind. Sales people are judged on the volume and dollar amount of closings, live by their commissions and march to the developer's directions. They are here to put the developer's interests first, and if they don't they aren't here. That's capitalisim, Americanism, or whatever. I love it, it works and has given us a great place to live out our days, but the buyer should always be aware of the "home field" rules.

[Penguin]

Penguin, you need legal representation that is looking out for YOUR interest. You got five working days before closing to straighten out this mess. No more MR. NICEGUY, get a LAWYER and get out of this situation. There is plenty more houses to be build in the VILLAGES. Someone on this WEBSITE needs to MANUP and help Penquin with a name of a LAWYER in the area. PENGUIN NEEDS YOUR HELP! :boxing2:

This seems like such a daunting task being in Chicago. I agree though, I need Perry Mason. OOPS I just dated myself. But thanks man.

[Penguin]

I feel sorry for Penguin. Unfortunately that box will always be there as a reminder of some of the not-too-perfect things that can go wrong in TV, and it will be there at resale time too; not the problem of the sales person or the developer.
It also demonstrates a strong reason to consider an existing home rather than being one of the first new ones on the block. In my opinion TV does a good job of hiding from a new buyer the closeness of the houses, intrusion of the utility boxes, rec center noises, etc. It seems to me that over the years the model centers are usually built around larger lots and cul-de-sacs with open lots sprinkled within for "parking", lots near rec centers are sold first before the tennis and pickleball courts startup (noise), and traffic in the parking lots becomes heavy, or the new house backs up to what becomes a heavily traveled street, utility boxes don't look that big in the wide open spaces, and the sewage treatment plant has not started to operate, etc, etc. Many of the spec houses built in a neighborhood are placed on staggered lots so there appears to be room on the sides and back when you are walking on empty lots. It is amazing how close 10 foot lot line setbacks become once you have neighbors on all sides and becomes even smaller when the neighbors plant big, tall, bushy privacy hedges along the lot lines or the neighbor's little dog starts yapping all the time.
I fully recognize the pros and cons of new vs resale, but it hurts to see many newbees rush into a three or four day decision without a whole lot of serious investigation, experience and vision. I am sure a goodly number of our Villagers' second purchases are to correct mistakes after they see what they should have seen the first time!
I have no problem with the fact that the sales people owe their employment, heart and well-being to the developer. Buyers must always keep that in mind. Sales people are judged on the volume and dollar amount of closings, live by their commissions and march to the developer's directions. They are here to put the developer's interests first, and if they don't they aren't here. That's capitalisim, Americanism, or whatever. I love it, it works and has given us a great place to live out our days, but the buyer should always be aware of the "home field" rules.

Very well said Jim. Thanks.

[Larry Wilson]

Chicago has some great lawyers.
I agree you should fight.
At the very least don't pay for moving the door and the pad.
Good Luck.

[graciegirl]

Penguin.

You aren't here in TV? So you can't really measure whether your house is ten foot from the property line? And that the green box is on the property line? That is one issue.

The other issue is lawyering up. I am SURE that this can be resolved without handing over a LOT of dough to a lawyer. In other words, if you insist, the door of the lanai can be moved and I really, really don't think your sales rep would have to pay for it. If the plat map is correct, a lawyer isn't going to help if your home is ten foot from the line and the green box is on the line.

What might be resolved is that your house and the box is just where it was shown on your plat as a guess from my first paragraph..if you aren't here and you haven't measured.

Village Girl did say that when we choose a lot, AND the lot size is a choice, that a smaller lot crams all things into it.

I do not mean to be callous or unkind. I just think that I have seen very few things here to jump to the conclusion that your green box is misplaced. They fall all over themselves to do things right. I am in a position to know, I just built a house and I am surrounded by new house owners. We are amazed at how well this whole process has gone.

I hate for you to feel so bad and I hate to allow the negative people (who gleefully jump to bash the developer for whatever reason) to convince you that the developers are deceiving you. I just do NOT see it that way. I still think your house is ten foot from the property line and the box is sitting on the property line and it is a BIG BOX. Sad but expected on a small lot.

It makes me very sad that you are far away and cannot be here to resolve these things in person and to measure. Pictures are so deceiving as to true distance. I would say that the box itself is four foot square and your pad is four foot square. That makes the picture just about right to be ten foot from the line.

Angie Fox has the plat map and she told me she thought it might have been misplaced. This appears to be not the case.

Where are you? In Chicago?

I am so sorry you are so worried.

We paid a pretty big upcharge for our lot and the box is still danged close to our back door. They have to be on the line in the corner. Ours is in the corner of the lot in back. Bingo right out our back door. A necessary evil for underground utilities.

If you would like, my husband and I could go over tomorrow and measure it for you if you would like to PM where your lot is.

Hugs. Try not to worry. Everyone that I know is very satisfied with how things are done here. This is our second home here in four years.

[er9027]

All properties have an easement for utilities... YOU own the land but they have the right to put in cable , power, etc. I would suggest putting in a shrub, bush ,etc. NOW,,,understanding that if there ever is a problem with the cable, wire, etc. They have the right to come in and dig,,,AND pull out your shrub. I work for a phone company and i would try to work it out with the property owner...GOOD LUCK!

[CarolSells]

Penquin,
I'm not licensed in FL but I am a licensed Realtor in Georgia. Refer to your purchase and sale agreement and it should be Item #VII (the FARBAR contract site won't let me cut and paste) which addresses Restrictions, Easements, and Limitations. It says (my paraphrasing) that The Villages have to convey marketable title subject to land use plans, etc, etc, (quote)"and unplatted public utility easements of record (located contiguous to real property lines and not more than 10 ft. in width as to the rear or front line and 7 1/2 ft. in width as to the side lines"(unquote).

SECO
Standards for Electric Service
For Overhead, Underground and
Residential Subdivision Areas
April 2010 Edition
V. REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSFORMERS SITUATED ON CUSTOMER PROPERTY
A. Padmounted Transformer Requirements
Complete requirements are contained in SECO specifications given to Customers for
individual projects. Typical pad mounted transformer requirements include, but are not
limited to the following:
The Customer Will: (In this case the developer/builder)
- provide a transformer pad location per SECO specifications. For residential dwelling
units, the transformer shall not be located closer than 15 feet from a door or window to
the habitable portion of the dwelling unit (to minimize noise problems).

- maintain access to SECO to padmounted equipment located on the Customer's
property (ten feet of clearance from the door side and three feet of clearance from other
sides from items such as fences, shrubs and other obstructions are to be maintained by
the Customer, as SECO will help plan the Customer's installations of fences, shrubs,
etc. near SECO facilities such that they will not obstruct access or cause damage to
SECO’s facilities. Where adequate access to SECO facilities is maintained, faster
service restoration is made possible in the event of a power interruption.)...

I don't think you told us the dimensions of your lot but Gracie's gracious offer to go measure is a great idea.

I hope that this was helpful and we all wish you well with this. Keep us posted.

Regards,

Carol

[Penguin]

Hi Gracie. I hear what your saying and make good and valid points. Here is my question now. I looked at a drawing showing what distances you can plant around the box. It says no closer than 10 feet from the front, my house is 8 feet from the front of the box. Now what? I dont want to get a lawyer but I dont want to be complacent on this issue. This great country was'nt built on people just letting the big guys do what they want. I just want whats fair. My property is at 880 Fenwick Loop in the Village of Sanibel. That would be great if you guys drove by and gave me your opinion, That way I would have a very knowledgable and unbiased opinion. Maybe I could get a ton of people to meet there at my walk thru and all start chanting " MOVE THAT BOX':laugh:

[RichieB]

This belongs in the Three Word Sentence thread (just kidding) - "Get a lawyer."

A lawyer local to TV, at the very least, can give you a legal opinion.

[graciegirl]

Penguin. Please remove your address from your post, just for safety sake.

Richie b. I forgot. Do you live here yet? Things look so different when you live here. Sometimes we bring old experiences to new situations.

When we brought a brand new dryer into our brand new house a couple months ago,the fellow knocked a sizable chunk of our front stoop off. I called warrenty and explained that it had nothing to do with how the house was built and it was our fault, we hired the guy, could they put us in touch with someone to fix it?
They fixed it right away, no questions asked. It is just a different experience here...I KEEP SAYING!!!!!

I will try to get over today Penguin.

[Larry Wilson]

I have heard of sales people having to pay out of their pocket. One is a case of a pre-owned home being trashed after it was sold. The salesperson had to bring it back to the original condition.

Sometimes a lawyer will write a letter on their letterhead for free. I'm concerned for your home and property value. I sure hope you didn't pay a great deal for that lot.

You are right to remain calm. I think everyone on this board is pulling for you. Its nice to see all the support.

Again, good luck.

[angiefox10]

The box is on the wrong property. The Villages says the utility company says it's placed correctly.

Here is the problem.... If it's wrong on his property, (and I believe it is) it will be placed wrong on ALL the properties on that street. This is a BIG OOPS! I am disappointing that someone isn't doing anything to correct this problem.

If I look at my Plat of Survey, the easement and the boxes are spelled out. No surprises! The OP says they do not show up on his Survey. Everything else does, but not the boxes. The reason they do not show up is because they aren't supposed to be there. It's as simple as that.

I don't know anything about moving boxes, and I would guess it would be a major project. But then, what about planting upgraded landscaping around the lanais of these properties so they have a tropical feel when they walk out there? I'll bet there are a lot of solutions to this problem. But the bottom line on this, is....

I am standing on my soapbox that there has been a mistake made and I am VERY disappointed in The Villages that they are not doing more to fix it.

I don't care about noise of tennis courts, roads, smells etc. Those are things that you can see or ask about. They are in the survey and if the wind blows the wrong way here, (Illinois) the smell might not be so good. But a box out the back door that WASN'T in the survey when you bought the property... NOPE! I stand with the OP on this.

I don't have suggestions as to his next steps... I just believe this is wrong.

[Larry Wilson]

Excellent post Angiefox10.

Too bad you're not a lawyer as you make the case very clear.

[graciegirl]

Henry and I have returned from your property Penguin and your home is set 11' 2" from the lot line. It appears correct. The box is set on the lot line too and so are many that appear exactly the same down the line with other homes of your neighbors. So if you have a problem so do they. I think this is the way that it was supposed to be.

Your home is lovely. Inside and out, because we looked in. I love the neutral choices you have made, love your cabinets, love the exterior colors, love your HUGE garage! I can see you enjoying it so much. I have more pictures that I will email you if you will send your email address in a PM.

I tried to download the picture of your home and the other homes with the same boxes down the line but it didn't work.

If someone can get pictures to come up in posts here please send me a PM with your email and I will send these pictures so everyone can see that whatever has happened to Penguin is the same with the other cottages and their placement on their lots on his street.

[Carla B]

If your home and box are correctly placed, I wouldn't worry about putting plants around it...just not expensive plants that can't be easily replaced, if and when SECO ever needs access. You can drive all over TV and see plants close up to the boxes.

I also would demand to have The Villages' send you a letter in writing stating that the box is correctly placed, along with the siteplan they have in their files for your unit and lot no. The lots in TV seem to be getting smaller and smaller in the "Final Phase."

[Oren L Miller]

I believe a tragic mistake has been made here. I believe the box is in the wrong location. You are getting excellent advice from a lot of well wishers here on the forum. The best news is you haven't been to the closing yet. You need to determine what TV can do to appease you. 1. Do you want a new house and have them put you in a place to live until it is done? 2. Do you want the cost of the house reduced because the house resale value could be jeapordized by this problem? 3. Do you want some really nice landscaping done to the back or your lanai to reduce the "green box eyesore" and safety concern? I certainly hope you can collaborate your way into something that would appease you. Maybe it is a combination of reduced price and landscaping. I believe TV will do something to appease you. DO NOT sign the papers at closing until you are appeased. You may need to lawyer up on this but I think that is a last resort and is some money that can be saved right now. Is there something in the house that you wanted but didn't request? Maybe you can trade this problem for some new quartz or granite countertops. Do you want some new hardwood flooring? Don't sign the dotted lines until you are truly satisfied. At the walk through you need to use the simple term that this is not acceptable. Have your plat of survey with you and just tell them that this is not accep:cus:table.

[graciegirl]

Did this work?

Nope. Sometimes I can download pictures into a post and sometimes not. I have made an album in all albums above called Penguins Castle. I believe all of my contacts can see it.

[graciegirl]

I believe a tragic mistake has been made here. I believe the box is in the wrong location. You are getting excellent advice from a lot of well wishers here on the forum. The best news is you haven't been to the closing yet. You need to determine what TV can do to appease you. 1. Do you want a new house and have them put you in a place to live until it is done? 2. Do you want the cost of the house reduced because the house resale value could be jeapordized by this problem? 3. Do you want some really nice landscaping done to the back or your lanai to reduce the "green box eyesore" and safety concern? I certainly hope you can collaborate your way into something that would appease you. Maybe it is a combination of reduced price and landscaping. I believe TV will do something to appease you. DO NOT sign the papers at closing until you are appeased. You may need to lawyer up on this but I think that is a last resort and is some money that can be saved right now. Is there something in the house that you wanted but didn't request? Maybe you can trade this problem for some new quartz or granite countertops. Do you want some new hardwood flooring? Don't sign the dotted lines until you are truly satisfied. At the walk through you need to use the simple term that this is not acceptable. Have your plat of survey with you and just tell them that this is not accep:cus:table.

Oren. I don't think a mistake has been made. When you get here you will be able to see that it looks right. I think the box is in the right location. All of the homes are set back on their lots on that street and the back yards aren't big. It is what it is.

Angie just sent me the plat map and it does look like they all should be on the lots behind Penguins and his neighbors. That would be the public utility's responsibility wouldn't it? Seems like some digging and moving is in order.

I have made the album Penguins castle public in All albums above. Poor Penguin, he isn't here. I can only imagine how nervous he is. I feel so bad for his worrying and I am trying to think what we can do to help him resolve this. We could forward this whole thread to Janet Tutt...

[Larry Wilson]

Oren,
Another great post!

Never sign a closing until you are satisfied.
Once you close, I have heard of the Villages going back on promises. Happened with me many years ago. Some lights had not been installed in one bathroom. I finally got them but I did much work and time to get it done. I had it in writing too. Just one excuse after another. I wished I had not signed. We were put under pressure to sign as everything was set to go on closing date and we were told lights would be done but they weren't. An inspector found the missing lights as it looked fine from the outside.

Neighbor never did get the lights finished as they were older and just didn't want to fight. They could get by with what lights they did put in.

A large group of homes got new siding and roofs because they had been built wrong. I mean a large group including whole streets. I believe the POA helped with this.
For the third time-good luck!

[angiefox10]

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[CaptJohn]

Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai.

I have also been a professional cartographer for over 30 years plotting real estate maps and have corrected thousands, yes thousands, of errors on maps done by others. I would demand a copy of the overall subdivision map showing the location for the transformer and also demand a copy of the SECo map as well as go to see a SECO manager. There could have been revisions or errors or who knows but you have a short window of opportunity to get to the bottom of this even if it means delaying the closing as that is your only leverage. Right now is probably your only chance to get anything done to your satisfaction. You have to take charge. The salespeople are not working for you. Good luck. Many of us care.

[RichieB]

Very nice of Gracie and her husband to take those pix.

To me, they shed a different light on things.

Looks to me like many others are in the same boat as Penguin. :sad:

Not very big "back yards" are they ?

[angiefox10]

The transformers are on the wrong lots all the way down the street.

It won't affect every home on the block, a home unless the box is right in front of the lanai. In those cases, The Villages should be doing some sort of enhanced landscaping to around the lanais so the box is not so visible.

Personally, I wouldn't sign the contract until the problem was resolved. There are many ways to do this. I'm sure if they put their heads together, they can figure it out.

[Mikeod]

What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.

[graciegirl]

What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.

Our green box doesn't straddle. Neither do they down our street or any street in our village or on the lot in Hadley, our old house. I think that the lot size is the factor here. My advice is to be sure that you get as much lot as you want. Many do NOTwant big lots to care for anymore. We are all getting older.

[Skybo]

The Customer Will: (In this case the developer/builder)
- provide a transformer pad location per SECO specifications. For residential dwelling
units, the transformer shall not be located closer than 15 feet from a door or window to
the habitable portion of the dwelling unit (to minimize noise problems).

- maintain access to SECO to padmounted equipment located on the Customer's
property (ten feet of clearance from the door side and three feet of clearance from other
sides from items such as fences, shrubs and other obstructions

The above was quoted from Carol’s post #96. Gracie posted that it’s 11’ 2” from the house to the lot line and the transformer is inside the lot line. The access door appears to be facing the house. I don’t see how the location of this transformer conforms to either one of the SECO requirements listed above.

What am I missing?

(Good job on the photos and measurements Gracie)

Also, from reading these posts, it's my understanding that Penquin's original survey plat did not show a transformer on the property. Now, I agree...they have to go somewhere. But if I were choosing a lot to build on and I specifically chose a lot for it's lack of a transformer and then they put one there anyway...I too would be very upset.

[angiefox10]

What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.

According to the map, they do not straddle the lot line, but are instead on the lots in back of these lots.

Again, his Plat of Survey does not indicate any of these boxes giving him legal grounds.

Please pull out your surveys, you will see EVERYTHING that is on your lot with a legend explaining what everything on your survey is.

NONE of this is on his survey!

[Larry Wilson]

I would think they should of put the boxes between the houses.

Yes Gracie, it was very nice of you to take those pics.

Oren, you sound like a good lawyer. Everyone is giving good advice.

I've been on TOTV way too much today. Can you tell my golf and advanced volleyball was canceled because of the cold?

Its still a beautiful sunny day. Best to everyone.

[CaptJohn]

The transformers are on the wrong lots all the way down the street.

It won't affect every home on the block, a home unless the box is right in front of the lanai. In those cases, The Villages should be doing some sort of enhanced landscaping to around the lanais so the box is not so visible.

Personally, I wouldn't sign the contract until the problem was resolved. There are many ways to do this. I'm sure if they put their heads together, they can figure it out.

Thanks to angiefox10's quick thinking, she emailed me the subdivision map and I have taken an image of the area in question and it clearly shows none of the boxes should be on Penquin's lot number 145 but the lots behind his (lot 147 for the X=transformer and lot 148 for the C=cable and T=telephone ). See for yourself.
Penguin, I'd get a Florida lawyer (not connected to TV) to
tell them to move the boxes and all related underground wires off my property before it closes. Looks as if they've made a huge mistake and need to take responsibility and do the right thing in your favor.

[Skybo]

:clap2::clap2: Hurray for Angie, Oren and CaptJohn. Good luck Penguin!

[Carla B]

:clap2::clap2: Hurray for Angie, Oren and CaptJohn. Good luck Penguin!

Yes, great sleuthing, the three of you! Just curious, since you have the subdivision survey, how many lots does this one transformer supply?

Will a title opinion reflect this error? On Monday I'd find a real estate lawyer in this area and get an opinion before going to closing.

[angiefox10]

It looks as if you can see the easement on the property in the lots behind these homes.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff129/Angiefox10/cid_tie_8CEA0F2E54EC36C_1710_A1A18.jpg

[English Ivy]

Does anyone know what the other thing, with the three protrusions sticking up, on the other side of the transformer is? It can be seen more clearly in Penguin's original picture posted. It does not seem to be indicated on the map, regardless of correct or incorrect position.

Penguin, I sure hope you don't plan to do this closing by mail. Other than your sales rep have you contacted anyone else such as the Sumter County Building Inspector or SECO?

Good luck to you in getting this resolved.

[RichieB]

I can't tell from the photo of the plat, but what are the lot dimensions ? Looks like most of them are approximately 62 feet wide.

Just curious.

[CaptJohn]

angiefox10: It looks as if you can see the easement on the property in the lots behind these homes.


I noticed that too. In addition, if that yellow stob is the property corner, then the location of the transformer and telephone/cable boxes are reversed and of course, both on the wrong lots as they should be to the left of the yellow property corner marker.

RichieB. The frontages along Penguins part of the street are mostly 62.81 feet except for the corner lots. The back lines are 2 numbers added together for the break with the lot behind. His is 54.67 plus 4.9 for a total of 59.57. The sidelines appear to be 89.98 ft.

EnglishIvy: those appear to be unconnected wires to the transformer.
And yes, where was an electrical inspector on this?

Penguin, this gives me another idea. You might get more action by calling the county electrical inspector's office and complain. If it's wrong, they should have caught it. Of course, they may all try to cover it up but they have the legal authority to stop all electrical operations until it is corrected.

[janmcn]

Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai. She also said that was suprised that someone let this issue get to this point without saying anything. In other words someone knew something was'nt right. She also said that from now on she was going to be very specific letting her future customers know everything about the lots they choose. Bothers me that it wil be at my expense. And now after reading the posts of not being able to plant around the transformer, I"m at my wits end. I'm really trying to remain calm and optomistic but there's got to be something that can be done, unfortunatly I dont know what it is. I'm sorry but I really feel like I've been misled and am very disappointed with The Villages in general. My sales rep did offer to pay for this herself, bless her heart, but I said that was'nt necessary. So I'm still thankful and hoping for the best.

Your sales person seems to have taken her good old time getting back to you. Have you emailed her the subdivision map that CaptJohn posted? That clearly shows that mistakes were made. None of this should be at your expense. Whether the sales rep has to pay out of her own pocket is between her and her employer and shouldn't concern you at all. It sounds like she's trying to play on your sympathies when they commited the error.

When I had my first house built years ago, The Villages guaranteed that it would be finished on said date or they would pay to store my things, pay for my hotel and meals. I don't know if they still have that policy.

You are much more calm than I ever would be, but listen to the advice on this forum and get this corrected before you close. Best of luck. Remember you're the one that has to live with this for many, many happy years.

[CarGuys]

Didn't Howard Stern's movie become famous for a humming Speaker Box scene?

Honestly the power box next to the door is not desierable. Even if you planted that close it would take away form the door opening.

Noise would be a concern even if it hummed softly it's to darn close!

And I hope no EMF would be given off. I would assume code would prevent a safety issue like that.

The door must be relocated or if this was a Spec house you relocate to another home. If this was not a Spec home you may be held to it

As Gracie said the Villages are willing to please.

[Carla B]

If you compare the photo to the map, the telephone and cable boxes appear to be misplaced, also. They should be to the rear of the transformer, not in front of it.

[villages07]

Penguin...good luck to you in getting this resolved satisfactorily. Couple more suggestions for next actions...

Insist on talking to Jennifer Parr (head of Villages real estate) and/or the building department..i.e. time to go over your agent's head. No offense to your agent, but, I don't think he/she wields any power.

You might have to make a trip here prior to closing to get this resolved.

Try sending a copy of this whole thread to your agent and the building dept. there are a large number of people, existing residents and prospective buyers, following this thread to see if The Villages does the right thing.

It looks to me like someone made a mistake... You accepted and signed off on a plat that does not have the utilities where they ended up.

Good luck.

[RichieB]

You might have to make a trip here prior to closing to get this resolved.

Good luck.

Imperative, IMO

Someone made a mistake alright !!

The whole mess needs to be straightened out.

[Oren L Miller]

When I had my first house built years ago, The Villages guaranteed that it would be finished on said date or they would pay to store my things, pay for my hotel and meals. I don't know if they still have that policy.

We signed on the line 66 days ago and it is still in there.

[janmcn]

Your Sales Agent is lying when she says there's nothing they can do. What she meant to say is there's nothing they want to do. Those SECO rules are there for a purpose, and it seems to me, the number one purpose should be safety followed closely by noise pollution. The suggestion to call Jennifer Parr is a good one. Good Luck.
PS: Your house is beautiful.

[graciegirl]

Here is what I think prospective buyers need to gain from this. The smaller homes have smaller lots. Even some Designers have smaller lots. You can't get ten pounds of... um coffee in a five pound bag. If you have a house ten or eleven foot from the property line than your chances are pretty good to have one of those big green monsters out there danged close humming right next to your ear (I have never heard ours hum, but hey, I want to be part of the fun). I say if you have any doubts at all, rather than ending up bitter and disgruntled as some of our posters ALWAYS are, than don't build here. Orlando is nice.

Even if they move that thing on the other lot ten or eleven foot from the property line is close and I think I remember Penguin saying that was the case, his house was supposed to be ten feet from the property line and he knew that going in and one of you saying the picture showed it was NO TEN FEET, it was closer. Well it was eleven...

:spoken:

I am going to go join Larry doing something else.

[buggyone]

This kind of thing is very frustrating and hope you can work it out to your complete satisfaction.

A good reason for buying a resale home is you know exactly what is there and what is around you. Combine that with other factors including a much lower bond or no bond at all, and a resale is usually a better deal than a new home.

[champion6]

Does anyone know what the other thing, with the three protrusions sticking up, on the other side of the transformer is? It can be seen more clearly in Penguin's original picture posted. It does not seem to be indicated on the map, regardless of correct or incorrect position.The other thing is a cover labeled "Telecommunications." In my neighborhood, it is used by Comcast. I was at the lot this evening and nothing is sticking up any more. The cover is in place as is normally the case.

[tpop1]

I've heard some transformers that hum a bit.......and some that don't at all.

Bill :)

If they hum they are defective....and SECO has a problem with one particular brand.

When I moved in, the one between myself and 3 neighbors hummed so loud that lanai use was problematic.

I called SECO and asked to speak to a supervisor and when I did I mentioned my utility co. background and that I would be contacting the Public utilities Commision.

They came within a week and replaced the bad one....never a hum again.

[champion6]

Penguin, my wife and I looked at your situation this evening. It is imperative for me to tell you that a humming noise can be heard coming from the SECO box. It is noticeable while standing inside the lanai. It is not loud, but it can be heard.

Edit: Note -- I was typing my message while tpop1 was typing his message.

[gerryann]

A good reason for buying a resale home is you know exactly what is there and what is around you. Combine that with other factors including a much lower bond or no bond at all, and a resale is usually a better deal than a new home.

This is true....BUT, some folks just want a new house..it didn't belong to anyone else, ever...No-one else used the sinks, or the stove, or the toilet and shower...no one else's germs. It might not always seem logical to everyone, but it is important to those that just plain want a NEW, unused home.

[Happinow]

This is true....BUT, some folks just want a new house..it didn't belong to anyone else, ever...No-one else used the sinks, or the stove, or the toilet and shower...no one else's germs. It might not always seem logical to everyone, but it is important to those that just plain want a NEW, unused home.

That's one of the reasons we bought new....our colors, our choices, our lot, and our germs!!

[Pturner]

The box is on the wrong property. The Villages says the utility company says it's placed correctly.

Here is the problem.... If it's wrong on his property, (and I believe it is) it will be placed wrong on ALL the properties on that street. This is a BIG OOPS! I am disappointing that someone isn't doing anything to correct this problem.

If I look at my Plat of Survey, the easement and the boxes are spelled out. No surprises! The OP says they do not show up on his Survey. Everything else does, but not the boxes. The reason they do not show up is because they aren't supposed to be there. It's as simple as that.

I don't know anything about moving boxes, and I would guess it would be a major project. But then, what about planting upgraded landscaping around the lanais of these properties so they have a tropical feel when they walk out there? I'll bet there are a lot of solutions to this problem. But the bottom line on this, is....

I am standing on my soapbox that there has been a mistake made and I am VERY disappointed in The Villages that they are not doing more to fix it.

I don't care about noise of tennis courts, roads, smells etc. Those are things that you can see or ask about. They are in the survey and if the wind blows the wrong way here, (Illinois) the smell might not be so good. But a box out the back door that WASN'T in the survey when you bought the property... NOPE! I stand with the OP on this.

I don't have suggestions as to his next steps... I just believe this is wrong.

I believe a tragic mistake has been made here. I believe the box is in the wrong location. You are getting excellent advice from a lot of well wishers here on the forum. The best news is you haven't been to the closing yet. You need to determine what TV can do to appease you. 1. Do you want a new house and have them put you in a place to live until it is done? 2. Do you want the cost of the house reduced because the house resale value could be jeapordized by this problem? 3. Do you want some really nice landscaping done to the back or your lanai to reduce the "green box eyesore" and safety concern? I certainly hope you can collaborate your way into something that would appease you. Maybe it is a combination of reduced price and landscaping. I believe TV will do something to appease you. DO NOT sign the papers at closing until you are appeased. You may need to lawyer up on this but I think that is a last resort and is some money that can be saved right now. Is there something in the house that you wanted but didn't request? Maybe you can trade this problem for some new quartz or granite countertops. Do you want some new hardwood flooring? Don't sign the dotted lines until you are truly satisfied. At the walk through you need to use the simple term that this is not acceptable. Have your plat of survey with you and just tell them that this is not accep:cus:table.

I have also been a professional cartographer for over 30 years plotting real estate maps and have corrected thousands, yes thousands, of errors on maps done by others. I would demand a copy of the overall subdivision map showing the location for the transformer and also demand a copy of the SECo map as well as go to see a SECO manager. There could have been revisions or errors or who knows but you have a short window of opportunity to get to the bottom of this even if it means delaying the closing as that is your only leverage. Right now is probably your only chance to get anything done to your satisfaction. You have to take charge. The salespeople are not working for you. Good luck. Many of us care.

What is the financial risk in not closing? When we bought, we had to put a quick $2K to hold the house followed by 20% within a short time with the rest at closing. But ours was/is a spec home. If there are similar funds required in building your own here, are these funds at risk by not closing when TV specifies? If they are, I guess you have to determine whether the loss is worth it compared to the immediate concern as well as the probability of a reduced resale value.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that the utilities were placed in the wrong spot OR the homesites were not placed right. Every other neighborhood I've seen has the boxes straddle lot lines, not be placed entirely on one lot. I agree with CaptJohn that Penguin needs to see the plans from TV and SECO and compare with the plan seen when picking the lot.

Thanks to angiefox10's quick thinking, she emailed me the subdivision map and I have taken an image of the area in question and it clearly shows none of the boxes should be on Penquin's lot number 145 but the lots behind his (lot 147 for the X=transformer and lot 148 for the C=cable and T=telephone ). See for yourself.
Penguin, I'd get a Florida lawyer (not connected to TV) to
tell them to move the boxes and all related underground wires off my property before it closes. Looks as if they've made a huge mistake and need to take responsibility and do the right thing in your favor.

Penguin,
I agree with all of these posts. Because you do not have a lot of time before closing, I would contact an attorney right away. Have him/her write to and speak with Mrs. Parr, request the documents you need to prove any mistake or misrepresentation that was made to you on the platt, and demand a delay in closing pending satisfactory resolve.

No way would I close without competent representation to work on your behalf for a satisfactory resolution.

There are good attorney recommendations on other TOTV threads. If you don't see a good real estate attorney recommendation here, call a highly recommended attorney and ask for a referral.

Please stand up for your rights.

I am pulling for you for a happy resolution. If that means insisting on another lot, or getting upgrades and lanai moved at TV expense, or whatever, you should have a right to be buying the lot as represented when you chose it. Best wishes and keep us posted.

Love and hugs,
P

[graciegirl]

Yes Greg I looked at the platt of survey and it shows the utility box 11 feet from the dwelling.


First...before we get to the lawyering up. Penquin. Does your platt of survey show that your house sits 11 foot from the property line in the back or not???? Because it does sit 11 foot from the property line. I measured it myself. The green box sits in the corner on the property line.

The green box always sits on the corner on the property line.

Is your house in the right position, as you contracted? 11 feet from the property line?

Do the Morses own the utility company?

If it were me, I, me, myself, would talk to the utility company and email, fax or scan them the map that Angie has with the utility placement. With copies to Jennifer Parr. Janet Tutt and the pope.

[Carla B]

I pulled out the plat that The Villages made us on sign off on prior to the construction of our house. The plat showed Telephone and Cable on our lot, transformer on the adjoining lot. That is the way it was built. If you built new, are these installationos shown on your lot (or not) and did you sign off on them?

[Whalen]

Here is what I think prospective buyers need to gain from this. The smaller homes have smaller lots. Even some Designers have smaller lots. You can't get ten pounds of... um coffee in a five pound bag. If you have a house ten or eleven foot from the property line than your chances are pretty good to have one of those big green monsters out there danged close humming right next to your ear (I have never heard ours hum, but hey, I want to be part of the fun). I say if you have any doubts at all, rather than ending up bitter and disgruntled as some of our posters ALWAYS are, than don't build here. Orlando is nice.

Even if they move that thing on the other lot ten or eleven foot from the property line is close and I think I remember Penguin saying that was the case, his house was supposed to be ten feet from the property line and he knew that going in and one of you saying the picture showed it was NO TEN FEET, it was closer. Well it was eleven...

:spoken:

I am going to go join Larry doing something else.



The size of one's lot is not the issue here. The utility box is on the wrong lot.

Prospective buyers, do not worry, these types of of mix ups are few and far between.
There is no need to look in Orlando.

[dusty4001]

No the utilities were not on the plat servey we signed. We saw the lot when we purchesed it in November and the utilities were not in yet. We did not want all the lawn work that comes with a larger lot . By the way this is Penguines girlfriend. All I said when I saw the construction pictures they sent us was "dosent that thing look a little close " and here we are 15 pages of post later. Thank all of you for you help and support.

[Villageshooter]

GEt a lawyer!!!!!!
3 more words..........do not close!!
You must get this settled before you close, ur sales rep cares about one thing in the end......u closing so he gets his check... He does not represent ur best interest....he represents his billfold...you are going to get another huge junction box where those 3 cables are. Yes the electric transformer will have a constant hum and will put out additional heat during the summer when it is under a large load. After working for a electric utility fo 30 years I can tell you can forget about listening to am radio in the room near that transformer! Are you aware transformers leak oil? Or worse yet explode! I would never consider this lot. If you are forced to accept this shoddy workmanship, the best thing you can do is constantly keep the area very very wet, this will cause the case ground to keep a good bond with the earth to alivate the attraction of lightning strikes. Yes you are taking on a potienal huge headache! Good luck you are going to need it!

[angiefox10]

No the utilities were not on the plat servey we signed. We saw the lot when we purchesed it in November and the utilities were not in yet. We did not want all the lawn work that comes with a larger lot . By the way this is Penguines girlfriend. All I said when I saw the construction pictures they sent us was "dosent that thing look a little close " and here we are 15 pages of post later. Thank all of you for you help and support.

If it's not on the Plat.... It shouldn't be on the property. It doesn't matter if it's 50' away. It shouldn't be on the property.

[Pturner]

If it's not on the Plat.... It shouldn't be on the property. It doesn't matter if it's 50' away. It shouldn't be on the property.

It seem that straightforward to me, too. It is not a question of who is at fault, the developer or the utility. That is of no concern to Penguin. Nor has Penguin expressed any concern that his house is 11 feet from the property line, as was represented to him and he agreed to.

His concern is that he didn't chose the small lot with the utility box. He chose one without it. If the box is 12 feet from his house on an adjacent lot, that's not the same as three feet from the house on his lot.

Close and the box stays, it doesn't matter whose fault it is. If Penguin does not want the lot with the misplaced box, he should not have to buy it.

I guess I am not understanding why it is any more complicated than that?

[CaptJohn]

Here is the good news: :laugh: He can plant as close to it as he wants and they can't legally cut down his bushes because they don't have an easement to it!
:evil6: :1rotfl: :clap2: :pepper2:

[janmcn]

What are the chances a resident would be allowed to build an addition that was closer than ten feet from a transformer? TV would be screaming the loudest and all permits would be turned down.

[angiefox10]

What are the chances a resident would be allowed to build an addition that was closer than ten feet from a transformer? TV would be screaming the loudest and all permits would be turned down.


Gracie went out and measured the box from the house and while it appears to be less then 10' to the house, it's actually more the 10'.

The issue is that it's right out his lanai door and wasn't reflected on the Plat of Survey so he didn't know about it until the house was built. It appears these boxes should be in the lots behind these lots. :ohdear:

[Penguin]

It seem that straightforward to me, too. It is not a question of who is at fault, the developer or the utility. That is of no concern to Penguin. Nor has Penguin expressed any concern that his house is 11 feet from the property line, as was represented to him and he agreed to.

His concern is that he didn't chose the small lot with the utility box. He chose one without it. If the box is 12 feet from his house on an adjacent lot, that's not the same as three feet from the house on his lot.

Close and the box stays, it doesn't matter whose fault it is. If Penguin does not want the lot with the misplaced box, he should not have to buy it.

I guess I am not understanding why it is any more complicated than that?

WOW, first let me say thankyou to all of you for all your support and help in resolving this issue. Thanks Gracie for taking your personal time to go out to my house and showing a better prospective on what is going on. Thanks also to Angie for taking a personal interest in this on my behalf. Pturner, you took the words right out of my mouth. Bottom line is someone made a big mistake and this whole transaction is not what I agreed to. Thats it, and the parties involved need to do the right thing and correct the mistake. As someone has mentioned in a previous post, I have tried to be somewhat nice, but now the Italian in me is starting to surface:) I think I've deceided play a little hardball and challenge this. With all the info you all have provided and some more facts I hope to uncover I intend to fight for whats right. I really want a resolution on this for it is not my intention to cause trouble. I just want to retire in the Villages and party with all you terrific people.

[Penguin]

Oren. I don't think a mistake has been made. When you get here you will be able to see that it looks right. I think the box is in the right location. All of the homes are set back on their lots on that street and the back yards aren't big. It is what it is.

Angie just sent me the plat map and it does look like they all should be on the lots behind Penguins and his neighbors. That would be the public utility's responsibility wouldn't it? Seems like some digging and moving is in order.

I have made the album Penguins castle public in All albums above. Poor Penguin, he isn't here. I can only imagine how nervous he is. I feel so bad for his worrying and I am trying to think what we can do to help him resolve this. We could forward this whole thread to Janet Tutt...

That sounds like a good idea. Could someone send all this to a person with some authority. Maybe some of you guys know how to get things moving. I tried my sales person but got nowhere. Thanks. I'm hitting the phone hard tomorrow to try and get someone to take notice.

[villages07]

Janet Tutt is responsible for Villages district government and has nothing to do with new construction.

Your best bet is Jennifer Parr, head of sales, or the building department - Mark Morse is the uber exec in that area. Let your agent know you are elevating this issue.

[janmcn]

Have you tried contacting your contractor? His name should be somewhere on your documents. You could also contact SECO, the electric company. I don't know who does inspections: if it's a county thing or a state matter. Anybody out there know this? Good luck.

[Carla B]

I believe a tragic mistake has been made here. I believe the box is in the wrong location. You are getting excellent advice from a lot of well wishers here on the forum. The best news is you haven't been to the closing yet. You need to determine what TV can do to appease you. 1. Do you want a new house and have them put you in a place to live until it is done? 2. Do you want the cost of the house reduced because the house resale value could be jeapordized by this problem? 3. Do you want some really nice landscaping done to the back or your lanai to reduce the "green box eyesore" and safety concern? I certainly hope you can collaborate your way into something that would appease you. Maybe it is a combination of reduced price and landscaping. I believe TV will do something to appease you. DO NOT sign the papers at closing until you are appeased. You may need to lawyer up on this but I think that is a last resort and is some money that can be saved right now. Is there something in the house that you wanted but didn't request? Maybe you can trade this problem for some new quartz or granite countertops. Do you want some new hardwood flooring? Don't sign the dotted lines until you are truly satisfied. At the walk through you need to use the simple term that this is not acceptable. Have your plat of survey with you and just tell them that this is not accep:cus:table.

Since this is time critical and it will take time to find out how this mistake was made, I think that Oren has a good plan. That means putting the sales department (Jennifer Parr) on notice.

Without sizeable concessions from TV, you will be stuck with a house that either you can't sell or will likely sell for much less than you paid. Buyers of preowned houses have lots of choices and can be very picky. The sales department knows that.

[angiefox10]

That sounds like a good idea. Could someone send all this to a person with some authority. Maybe some of you guys know how to get things moving. I tried my sales person but got nowhere. Thanks. I'm hitting the phone hard tomorrow to try and get someone to take notice.


I sent a note via email to The Villages several days ago. I haven't heard anything back but didn't expect to. I didn't know who to send it to and it was a general address.

I will send one to my sales rep as well and ask her to get it to the right person.

[Pturner]

Penguin,
I agree that you do not have time to make a bunch of phone calls trying to determine who messed up when.

I would have an attorney send a letter to Mrs. Parr and your salesperson letting them know that let lot as currently configured isnot what you agreed to purchase as represented on the plat and that you therefore, do not intend to purchase it with the utility box on it.

If this is the case, the letter could state that you want the utility box moved off the property or you want a different lot.

Phone calls to people who cannot delay or stop your closing until the issue is resolved will not do you any good that I can see. And of course, any resolution agreement needs to be in writing.

If you had more time, you might be able to resolve this on your own without help from legal counsel. But you don't. An attorney from IL could right the letter for you if you don't have one in FL.

[CarolSells]

Penguin,
Phone calls to people who cannot delay or stop your closing until the issue is resolved will not do you any good that I can see. And of course, any resolution agreement needs to be in writing.

If you had more time, you might be able to resolve this on your own without help from legal counsel. But you don't. An attorney from IL could right the letter for you if you don't have one in FL.

I always agree 199% with everything PTurner says but I'm wondering if Penquin wouldn't be better off, most particularly for the sake of time, going ahead and finding a FL Real Estate Attorney ASAP because I wouldn't want any delays or questions arising about the IL attorney's ability to practice in FL. and real estate law varies from state to state. Surely someone on here has settled with a closing attorney that didn't represent the Villages. Any help here?? You could PM him - don't have to post names here. JMHO.

[Penguin]

After a dozen phone calls to Village personel and lawyers here's what I got. All the documents that were given to me and I signed, none had any information locating that transformer where it currently is. I was told the actual plat was not shown to me so that I could have made a better decision on which lot i chose. In other words,if I had been shown the actual plat, and saw the transformer, I would'nt have chosen that lot. Get a load of this, I just got a call back from the closing Dept and they said I wont get a plat of survey cause I'm paying cash for the home. They said I could order a survey for $250. The problem is I dont need a survey of what is on the lot now I need one of how they got the placement of the transformer. I think I'm just about done with this. I'm so aggravated that Its better that I refrain from any other comments at this time but I'm not through yet. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. Not sure how all this will turn out but I love you all for everything you've done to help. Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars for what I have.

[graciegirl]

After a dozen phone calls to Village personel and lawyers here's what I got. All the documents that were given to me and I signed, none had any information locating that transformer where it currently is. I was told the actual plat was not shown to me so that I could have made a better decision on which lot i chose. In other words,if I had been shown the actual plat, and saw the transformer, I would'nt have chosen that lot. Get a load of this, I just got a call back from the closing Dept and they said I wont get a plat of survey cause I'm paying cash for the home. They said I could order a survey for $250. The problem is I dont need a survey of what is on the lot now I need one of how they got the placement of the transformer. I think I'm just about done with this. I'm so aggravated that Its better that I refrain from any other comments at this time but I'm not through yet. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. Not sure how all this will turn out but I love you all for everything you've done to help. Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars for what I have.

banks and offices are closed today. try them tommorow.

[RichieB]

After a dozen phone calls to Village personel and lawyers here's what I got. All the documents that were given to me and I signed, none had any information locating that transformer where it currently is. I was told the actual plat was not shown to me so that I could have made a better decision on which lot i chose. In other words,if I had been shown the actual plat, and saw the transformer, I would'nt have chosen that lot. Get a load of this, I just got a call back from the closing Dept and they said I wont get a plat of survey cause I'm paying cash for the home. They said I could order a survey for $250. The problem is I dont need a survey of what is on the lot now I need one of how they got the placement of the transformer. I think I'm just about done with this. I'm so aggravated that Its better that I refrain from any other comments at this time but I'm not through yet. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. Not sure how all this will turn out but I love you all for everything you've done to help. Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars for what I have.

Something doesn't sound right about that, like why should the fact that you are paying cash dictate that you will not get a copy of the plat ? From all that has been mentioned here, it would seem that someone is trying to pull a "fast one."

I've heard of "caveat emptor," but this is ridiculous !

Best of luck to you with this. I think you're going to need it.

[tommy steam]

Do you think that the salesman who sold you the lot could have told you what location it was before you bought the lot?..Is it worth while to hire and outside contractor who knows about these things?

[Bigben007]

Something doesn't sound right about that, like why should the fact that you are paying cash dictate that you will not get a copy of the plat ? From all that has been mentioned here, it would seem that someone is trying to pull a "fast one."

I've heard of "caveat emptor," but this is ridiculous !

Best of luck to you with this. I think you're going to need it.


You are right, "Something doesn't sound right."

[Jim 9922]

Absent a full survey and not considering the problem of the transformer box, you should at least get written certification before closing that the home is in compliance with all setback rules.
It seems to me that with any new home, whether you pay cash or finance, a final plot survey should be required at closing as proof of compliant construction. It will also be useful in the future when you might consider an addition or modification to the property. You should know exactly where your setback lines are and will be asked for such references by the zoning board when making changes to the exterior. For example we once replaced a condensing unit with a larger one and had to furnish the plot survey to prove that the new pad was in compliance. (And by the way as I understand it , setback is measured from the edge of your eves or gutters, not the footprint of the building)
When selling the home you should have handy the certified plot map or survey to show a prospective buyer. I have never considered making a serious offer on a home (3 so far and 4 more with friends) without a pre-look at the certified site plans/survey. I know you can aways use a survey as a "contingency out" but why waste your time when one should be available in the first place.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Give 'em hell, Penguin!

Bill :)

[tommy steam]

[QUOTE=Penguin;440152]Hi everyone, first let me thank all of you who showed your support for me on this issue. I spoke with my sales rep today and she said that after speaking with her manager ( whoever that is ) that he said the map the electric company uses placed the transformer in the correct spot. My reply was that I was never made aware in any of the documents provided to me, that the transformer was to be placed there. She agreed but said the best that can be done is to move the door and concrete pad to the opposite side of the lanai. She also said that was suprised that someone let this issue get to this point without saying anything. In other words someone knew something was'nt right. She also said that from now on she was going to be very specific letting her future customers know everything about the lots they choose. Bothers me that it wil be at my expense. And now after reading the posts of not being able to plant around the transformer, I"m at my wits end. I'm really trying to remain calm and optomistic but there's got to be something that can be done, unfortunatly I dont know what it is. I'm sorry but I really feel like I've been misled and am very disappointed with The Villages in general. My sales rep did offer to pay for this herself, bless her heart, but I said that was'nt necessary. So I'm still thankful and hoping for the best.[/QUOTE May I ask ,who was your sales rep?

[tommy steam]

Please let us know what has happned. Good luck on your quest.

[graciegirl]

on that picture other people on your street have those boxes too right close where y our are. They will have to do something too.

[swimdawg]

So EVERYONE in that area has the same problem....hmmmm.....

[Bill-n-Brillo]

So EVERYONE in that area has the same problem....hmmmm.....

Everyone on that block on Penguin's side of the street.

Bill :)

[swimdawg]

Everyone on that block on Penguin's side of the street.

Bill :)

hmmmm.......:confused::confused::confused:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Some of them might care......some perhaps won't. Still others might not even be aware of the issue.

Bill :)

[Pturner]

Gracie went out and measured the box from the house and while it appears to be less then 10' to the house, it's actually more the 10'.

The issue is that it's right out his lanai door and wasn't reflected on the Plat of Survey so he didn't know about it until the house was built. It appears these boxes should be in the lots behind these lots. :ohdear:

Oh, I thought she measured the house being 11'2" from the property line. Her post didn't mention the distance of the lanai pad to the utility box.

So, there is no relationship between there being a mess-up on the plat and the fact that you aren't being given a copy of it at closing? Um...

I don't think I would close without the plat and without the issue of the utility box being resolved satisfactorily. Two distinct but related problems.

Penguin, whatever you decide to do, I wish you all the best. Hugs.

[Pturner]

So EVERYONE in that area has the same problem....hmmmm.....

It seems that this is not necessarily the case. It depends if the distance of the home to the utility box does in fact meet safety and building codes, a different question from whether the buyers were given accurate representations and whether it bothers them if they were not. It might also depend, from a buyer's perspective, of the orientation of the lanai in relation to the box.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Mapping shows the transformer boxes for all the homes on the same side of the street on Penguin's block to be on the wrong lots, I believe. Should be on the lots behind them all.

Bill :)

[swimdawg]

It seems that this is not necessarily the case. It depends if the distance of the home to the utility box does in fact meet safety and building codes, a different question from whether the buyers were given accurate representations and whether it bothers them if they were not. It might also depend, from a buyer's perspective, of the orientation of the lanai in relation to the box.

I sure wouldn't close if there was a problem I was unhappy with. And I do know that my sales rep was on top of everything.....and made sure everything was up to spec......and she made sure that I was happy with EVERYTHING. I understand that today is a holiday. I wanted to do some official business this afternoon and couldn't. Tomorrow is a new day.....hopefully, the homeowner can get some answers tomorrow.

[angiefox10]

I sent a note to Ms. Parr and to my sales rep. I received a response from my sales rep and I can only hope that she didn't read this thread before she responded to me, because her response was so cold, it quite frankly took me back.

If her response is the reflective of "The Villages" I'm very disappointed. I tried to explain and urged her to read the thread. I'm waiting for her response before I comment further.

[Carla B]

Somehow I have the impression that the sales people fear for their jobs before each weekly sales meeting. I wouldn't expect much of them. Today I again pulled out our "plat" at signing I saw that it stated it was not a survey, just a sketch (of what might be). The only thing we got close to a survey was when we called T&D last year for a bid on a birdcage and they had the actual construction drawing on our lot. We said "Wow," that's the first time we ever saw that!

[CarGuys]

Remember all in July it was 4% and take it or leave it by Sept 30th.

Then in October 3.5% reappeared with a take it never 4% coming back again!

Then next day after the Oct 30th 3.5% deadline 4% was back!

I don't think sales always knows and non of us can trust a given!

It's like rolling the dice.

They cannot move that infra structure! They could get them out of a spec home into another home and let that one get sold on its own merit and apperance.

For someone it would not matter.

[Penguin]

on that picture other people on your street have those boxes too right close where y our are. They will have to do something too.

You are right, I think I'm the first one to notice or the only one that wants to make it right.

[Penguin]

Mapping shows the transformer boxes for all the homes on the same side of the street on Penguin's block to be on the wrong lots, I believe. Should be on the lots behind them all.

Bill :)

I think your right Bill, seems like they put the transformers on the wrong lots down the whole block. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. I will check out the situation in person on Thursday. I just hope the powers at be will step up, admit a mistake, and be man enough to correct it.

[tommy steam]

I think your right Bill, seems like they put the transformers on the wrong lots down the whole block. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. I will check out the situation in person on Thursday. I just hope the powers at be will step up, admit a mistake, and be man enough to correct it.
What has happened to date?

[tv2016]

Let us know how this turns out - closing tomorrow if I'm not mistaken. We're all interested...

[angiefox10]

The OP is on the road to Florida and will give everyone the details as soon as he can get to a computer. He said he should be able to post by this weekend.

[janmcn]

I think your right Bill, seems like they put the transformers on the wrong lots down the whole block. I'm leaving tomorrow to drive down for the closing on Friday. I will check out the situation in person on Thursday. I just hope the powers at be will step up, admit a mistake, and be man enough to correct it.

I wonder if the sales department is alerting all the other property owners to this mistake, so they don't end up in the same predicament as Penquin did two weeks before closing.

[jmm2760jmm]

Enjoy the sunshine and put some plantings around it. You could be living up north and it would be covered in snow and blend right into the rest of the yard. If that is your worse problem in life...your life is pretty good!

[RichieB]

I wonder if the sales department is alerting all the other property owners to this mistake, so they don't end up in the same predicament as Penquin did two weeks before closing.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. :sad::ohdear:

[THE NEWCOMER]

Today is Friday Jan. 20th and it's 5:10PM and we haven't heard a WORD! :popcorn:

[fenian]

Any updates?

[graciegirl]

Penquin?

[janmcn]

I hope he wasn't abducted and taken off to an undisclosed location.

[Skybo]

Give him some time guys...he just arrived in TV and he (presumably) closed on his house yesterday. I’m guessing he’s got more important (or fun) things going on other than updating us (as much as we want to know what’s going on). Here’s to hoping that Penguin is having a good ‘ole time right now regardless of what took place with the transformer issue.

[Penguin]

Hi Everyone This Is dusty4001. Penguin has landed ( Penguin's dont fly but they do drive.).He got his cable and internet installed on friday . Yes we did close.I was not there so I dont know the details . The leni door and slab were moved before closing and the plat we all signed means nothing . He will be able to post somthing as soon as he gets the new laptop up and running.

[Posh 08]

Give him some time guys...he just arrived in TV and he (presumably) closed on his house yesterday. I’m guessing he’s got more important (or fun) things going on other than updating us (as much as we want to know what’s going on). Here’s to hoping that Penguin is having a good ‘ole time right now regardless of what took place with the transformer issue.

Hopefully dancing in the streets, I would be.

[Pturner]

Hi Everyone This Is dusty4001. Penguin has landed ( Penguin's dont fly but they do drive.).He got his cable and internet installed on friday . Yes we did close.I was not there so I dont know the details . The leni door and slab were moved before closing and the plat we all signed means nothing . He will be able to post somthing as soon as he gets the new laptop up and running.

Congratulations and welcome to Lower Paradise!

[angiefox10]

Hi Everyone This Is dusty4001. Penguin has landed ( Penguin's dont fly but they do drive.).He got his cable and internet installed on friday . Yes we did close.I was not there so I dont know the details . The leni door and slab were moved before closing and the plat we all signed means nothing . He will be able to post somthing as soon as he gets the new laptop up and running.

Thanks for posting. I had a feeling he was a little busy.

I'm glad they moved the door, that should be a GREAT help! A girlfriend sent me a couple of pictures of some really neat plants you can plant that will look AWESOME in front of the box! When you guys are settled in I will forward them to you! I think you will be impressed! I think she said she only paid about $5 for each of them and the were fabulous!

I'm sorry to hear the survey didn't mean anything, but I have a feeling you two are still going to have the best life in TV!

I can't wait to meet you! :)

[skyguy79]

Hopefully dancing in the streets, I would be.He is with a couple of his good friends and that's why you haven't heard from him yet! Here's an artist rendering of their partying:
http://www.amusing-activities.moonfruit.com/communities/8/004/007/867/768/images/4541914430_192x144.jpg

[Posh 08]

He is with a couple of his good friends and that's why you haven't heard from him yet! Here's an artist rendering of their partying:
http://www.amusing-activities.moonfruit.com/communities/8/004/007/867/768/images/4541914430_192x144.jpg

:coolsmiley:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Glad to hear everything got taken care of to his satisfaction!

Bill :)

[skyguy79]

Glad to hear everything got taken care of to his satisfaction!

Bill :)Did you sneak some home warming popcorn into their Igloo while he was at closing? :popcorn:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Did you sneak some home warming popcorn into their Igloo while he was at closing? :popcorn:

I was counting on you for that, skyguy! You're there - we're not! :1rotfl:

Bill :)

[CarGuys]

I just wanna drive his Oldsmobile! It's a Carguy thing!

Welcome buddie.

[Penguin]

Hello everyone, this will be my final post on this matter as I closed on Friday. As I said before, I would like to thank all my new friends I have met in the process of trying to get this issue resolved. I cant tell you how much I appreciated all of you efforts in my behalf. love you all. So... I arrived at my house early on Friday morning and met my sales rep. The door to the lanai and the concrete pad was moved to the other side of the lanai so as that I would not walk into it upon exit. They even moved the sprinkler heads due to the slab relocation. I was happy that was done. My sales rep also agreed to pay for landscaping aroung the transformer. All is good in Penguins world.
Here's the flip side, BUYERS BEWARE!!!!!!!!! The issue with utility placement is totally up to the utility gods. The plats or the drawings you get or the sales reps get are in my opinion useless. THEY MEAN NOTHING. Its up to you the buyer to make sure what you agreed on is what you will get. Its a big pain and believe me I know first hand. My sales rep, bless her heart, really went to bat for me but short of losing her job she was told nothing could be done about the obvious mistake. Your best defense is a good offense. In other words be very dilligent in the very beginning of your home purchase and make absolutely sure everything is the way it was presented to you.
Again THANK YOU ALL and I hope at the vary least our potential friends and neighbors have some good information on making their new home in the Villages a pleasant experience.

[angiefox10]

Hello everyone, this will be my final post on this matter as I closed on Friday. As I said before, I would like to thank all my new friends I have met in the process of trying to get this issue resolved. I cant tell you how much I appreciated all of you efforts in my behalf. love you all. So... I arrived at my house early on Friday morning and met my sales rep. The door to the lanai and the concrete pad was moved to the other side of the lanai so as that I would not walk into it upon exit. They even moved the sprinkler heads due to the slab relocation. I was happy that was done. My sales rep also agreed to pay for landscaping aroung the transformer. All is good in Penguins world.
Here's the flip side, BUYERS BEWARE!!!!!!!!! The issue with utility placement is totally up to the utility gods. The plats or the drawings you get or the sales reps get are in my opinion useless. THEY MEAN NOTHING. Its up to you the buyer to make sure what you agreed on is what you will get. Its a big pain and believe me I know first hand. My sales rep, bless her heart, really went to bat for me but short of losing her job she was told nothing could be done about the obvious mistake. Your best defense is a good offense. In other words be very dilligent in the very beginning of your home purchase and make absolutely sure everything is the way it was presented to you.
Again THANK YOU ALL and I hope at the vary least our potential friends and neighbors have some good information on making their new home in the Villages a pleasant experience.


A lesson learned for all of us. Glad you were able to close and happy to hear your rep was working for you. Sad to say, from the response I received from mine...l I don't think she would have for me. So... count your lucky stars you had someone who went a step beyond for you. It's all you can ask.

[Carla B]

So glad you posted the results, Penguin, and that you were mollified....thanks for sharing. We were all worried for you. What are the lessons learned from this experience? Can and should the buyer insist that the contract to build is contingent on approving the location of the utilities? It would be interesting to know how the sales department would react in that case.

[Happinow]

Penguin, I just knew things would get worked out in your favor. Since the utilities probably couldn't have been moved, I think they did the best they could in correcting the problem. Having the green monster outside the opposite end of your lanai should certainly be tolerable. Now for the plantings......Enjoy your castle!

[festusrules]

Not sure where to get them or sizes available, but I saw a house which had a fake rock covering some kind of utilities box.

[graciegirl]

Not sure where to get them or sizes available, but I saw a house which had a fake rock covering some kind of utilities box.

Festus. His box is the same size as ours, about four foot square and pretty tall. On this flat land a fake rock of that size would be kinda big and sort of like a huge pimple. Every other house has one JUST EXACTLY LIKE HIS. He has lots of company.

You can go to Lowes and buy Bottlebrush plants, they are a shrub that grows very fast and has blossoms on it. They are $9.99. Four or five of those and you are good. The dirt here is sand, the holes are easy to dig, drop those in, wait about ONE year and that big green box lives behind a forest, and you are looking at greenery and flowers. That is what I did last week and I dug half the holes myself until Sweetie saw what I was doin' and the dear soul finished the job.

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and add vodka.

[RichieB]

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and add vodka.

:agree:

That's the way to go ! :)