South Carolina religion

[Guest]

When I was listening to the Evening News tonight, a few South Carolinians were saying they were not going to vote for Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon and the Mormons are non-Christians and a cult.

The hard-core Evangelicals are having a hard time in South Carolina with the possibility of having to vote for a Mormon or a Catholic.

You would think that in the 21st century that those beliefs would be extinct.

[Guest]

This is from 2008 election cycle, but it still applies.

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/article/?q=YWNjMzE2MGMzZGFlZmNjZGZiNDA3YjYyMmFjOWY1NTc=

[Guest]

When I was listening to the Evening News tonight, a few South Carolinians were saying they were not going to vote for Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon and the Mormons are non-Christians and a cult.

The hard-core Evangelicals are having a hard time in South Carolina with the possibility of having to vote for a Mormon or a Catholic.

You would think that in the 21st century that those beliefs would be extinct.

Do you have well researched data to support your characterizations or is this simply bigotry?

[Guest]

When in the voting booth there will be a vote cast for Obama or Romney....not a black or a Mormon.

The issue of whether a Morman can win is no more of a challenge for Romney than whether a black could win was for Obama.

You can do your part by getting your friends and family out to vote to help make the election truly representative of what America wants. Give them hell if they toss the argument they do not like either candidate and are not voting.
That is just plain senseless, school yard babbling.

btk

[Guest]

No, I would not say that the evangelicals in South Carolina who are opposed to voting for a Mormon are bigots. I would say they are intolerant of those who are not in their faith.

The Lt. Gov. of South Carolina, Andre Bauer, is a good example of a bigot, in my viewpoint. The following quote of his demonstrates this:

"My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better," Bauer said.

Now, that is an example of a South Carolina bigot.

[Guest]

Buggy, what are the Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist et al other Protestant churches views on Mormonism? Are you just realizing that most Christian churches don't recognize The Church of Latter Day Saints as a Christian church? It isn't just a South Carolina view, my friend. It is found around the world.

[Guest]

No, I would not say that the evangelicals in South Carolina who are opposed to voting for a Mormon are bigots. I would say they are intolerant of those who are not in their faith.

The Lt. Gov. of South Carolina, Andre Bauer, is a good example of a bigot, in my viewpoint. The following quote of his demonstrates this:

"My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better," Bauer said.

Now, that is an example of a South Carolina bigot.

Buggyone it would be difficult to defend Bauer. However not everyone who has an adverse opinion of someone is a bigot. some folks don't like other folks because of their mannerism, philosophy, actions which conflict with their views criminal or otherwise. It does not make them bigots.

My concern here is that some folks take for granted or to boost their agument that if something adverse is said about a person, especially a minority then they are bigots (political correctness) I'm just saying

[Guest]

I am Lutheran. Lutherans, as I understand, do not see Mormons as Christians and a Mormon would have to be baptized if they were to become a Lutheran - not "re-baptized". I understand that Mormons see the Holy Trinity as separate dietys and not as 3-in-one.

[Guest]

I am Lutheran. Lutherans, as I understand, do not see Mormons as Christians and a Mormon would have to be baptized if they were to become a Lutheran - not "re-baptized". I understand that Mormons see the Holy Trinity as separate dietys and not as 3-in-one.

I happen to agree with your basic premise. Mormons don't like catholics. I was reared catholic. I was born one county away from where Mormonism began and visted there more than once. Our state history books covered the state history associated with its beginnings. It had been stated that Joseph smith populated half of this county. It doesn't make me a bigot it only means that I am an unlikely convert for them

[Guest]

I just see this thread as just one more liberal Democrat trying to pigeon hole people and divide the classes.

The most self indentified "liberal" among us are the ones who seem the most "class conscious" and "race conscious" and "religion conscious".

It is and was always so.

[Guest]

Richie, I have no idea of what you are saying about me. I only posted what I heard on the evening news about the evangelicals in South Carolina and their viewpoint on Mormons and the possibility of voting for either a Mormon or a Catholic.

To me, it makes no difference what religion a President is. President Obama does not seem to go to church services on Sunday but still seems to be a moral man.

I would have hoped religion would not be a factor in a Presidential election but with evangelicals pushing their agendas, that is definitely not the case.

[Guest]

I just see this thread as just one more liberal Democrat trying to pigeon hole people and divide the classes.

The most self indentified "liberal" among us are the ones who seem the most "class conscious" and "race conscious" and "religion conscious".

It is and was always so.

As I recall, it was the republicans that made such an issue about JFK's catholicisim and are making such as issue about President Obama's former pastor. And it's the republican evangelicals that are uniting against Mitt Romney.

[Guest]

As I recall, it was the republicans that made such an issue about JFK's catholicisim and are making such as issue about President Obama's former pastor. And it's the republican evangelicals that are uniting against Mitt Romney.

I think you are guilty of a little historical revisionism. There were many at the time who doubted that JFK could win the Democrat Primary. That wasn't a problem about Republican's. There was no "Republican" problem here, there was a perceived Catholic bias problem across the board.

[Guest]

Richie, I have no idea of what you are saying about me. I only posted what I heard on the evening news about the evangelicals in South Carolina and their viewpoint on Mormons and the possibility of voting for either a Mormon or a Catholic.

To me, it makes no difference what religion a President is. President Obama does not seem to go to church services on Sunday but still seems to be a moral man.

I would have hoped religion would not be a factor in a Presidential election but with evangelicals pushing their agendas, that is definitely not the case.

I'm sorry if it seems I'm picking on you. I mean to pick on all "liberals" and you just got caught in the "tide" of my thoughts.

All the class conscious ideas of late emanate from the left, and that's just a fact.

[Guest]

Yes, it did seem you singled me out as the only elitist left winger commie pinko with radical ideas. I will let you buy me an ice-cold Yeungling at the watering hole to make up for that iconoclastic representation.

[Guest]

People will vote according to their values and morals, not specific religious sects' or denominations' doctrines. It's not a theology decision, but a values one.

In the end, most evangelicals and Christians, even though they might not agree with Romney's church theology, will vote for him to vote against the chance of getting four more years of Obama & Co.

[Guest]

Yes, it did seem you singled me out as the only elitist left winger commie pinko with radical ideas. I will let you buy me an ice-cold Yeungling at the watering hole to make up for that iconoclastic representation.

Gladly; and it's always better to see your expression when I make a remark as I did above.:)

[Guest]

“Democrats and liberals think that we, conservatives, are racists, sexists, and all those other things. In fact, it is they who are those things. It is liberals who look at a human and first notice a skin color, or gender; then they get into sexual orientation, then segment into all kinds of groups. This is the way they see people. They also use projection quite commonly and regularly, and so it is us, they think, who are racists and sexists.”

The above was brilliantly said by the most influential political observer for the last couple of decades.

[Guest]

http://www.adl.org/issue_religious_freedom/separation_cs_primer.asp

Separation: Good for Government,
Good for Religion
The right to freedom of religion is so central to American democracy that it was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution along with other fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

-- The First Amendment
In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious liberty, this country's founders also mandated the strict separation of church and state. Largely because of this prohibition against government regulation or endorsement of religion, diverse faiths have flourished and thrived in America since the founding of the republic. Indeed, James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."

Americans are still among the most religious people in the world. Yet the government plays almost no role in promoting, endorsing or funding religious institutions or religious beliefs. Free from government control -- and without government assistance -- religious values, literature, traditions and holidays permeate the lives of our citizens and, in their diverse ways, form an integral part of our national culture. By maintaining the wall separating church and state, we can guarantee the continued vitality of religion in American life.
:spoken:

[Guest]

GOJODO-

What you copied is fine and dandy in theory but the Evangelical Christians want to force their beliefs on all others - and the Presidential candidates on the Republican side are pandering to them.

Some of these beliefs that should hold no place in the government of a country are recognition of gay unions and the legality of abortions. These have nothing to do with how a country is governed by the President.

[Guest]

No, I would not say that the evangelicals in South Carolina who are opposed to voting for a Mormon are bigots. I would say they are intolerant of those who are not in their faith.

The Lt. Gov. of South Carolina, Andre Bauer, is a good example of a bigot, in my viewpoint. The following quote of his demonstrates this:

"My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better," Bauer said.

Now, that is an example of a South Carolina bigot.

Call it what you want, but the grandmother was speaking the absolute truth. You can feed an alligator till it gets close enough to kill you. The same applies to people that are prone to under work and over breed.

:duck:

[Guest]

Call it what you want, but the grandmother was speaking the absolute truth. You can feed an alligator till it gets close enough to kill you. The same applies to people that are prone to under work and over breed.

:duck:

Oh my lord. :cus:

[Guest]

No, I would not say that the evangelicals in South Carolina who are opposed to voting for a Mormon are bigots. I would say they are intolerant of those who are not in their faith.

The Lt. Gov. of South Carolina, Andre Bauer, is a good example of a bigot, in my viewpoint. The following quote of his demonstrates this:

"My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better," Bauer said.

Now, that is an example of a South Carolina bigot.


First of all you've got to get to the dictionary and look up the word "analogy"

After you get a handle on the word reread the above quote again. She's speaking to "ignorance".

[Guest]

GOJODO-

What you copied is fine and dandy in theory but the Evangelical Christians want to force their beliefs on all others - and the Presidential candidates on the Republican side are pandering to them.

Some of these beliefs that should hold no place in the government of a country are recognition of gay unions and the legality of abortions. These have nothing to do with how a country is governed by the President.

Buggyone: Is that why we have liberal atheist who sue to remove prayer from schools, religious depiction ( 10 commandments, etc from schools, city halls or court houses. some like the pols in St Paul that forbid the Easter unny in state buildings because they viewed it as a reminder of Easter Sunday and so on and so on. Is that why liberals are having a fit that Tebow kneels down to give thanks but encourage homosexuality in movies, Tv and in schools is important to push multiculturalism. Pleaseeeee. By the way I doubt seriously that Obama's Reverend Wright is a reverend ???????

[Guest]

buggyone

:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:

[Guest]

When I was listening to the Evening News tonight, a few South Carolinians were saying they were not going to vote for Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon and the Mormons are non-Christians and a cult.

So, is it just a few?

[Guest]

"atheists who sue to remove prayer from schools, religious depiction ( 10 commandments, etc from schools, city halls or court houses. some like the pols in St Paul that forbid the Easter unny in state buildings because they viewed it as a reminder of Easter Sunday and so on and so on. Is that why liberals are having a fit that Tebow kneels down to give thanks but encourage homosexuality in movies, Tv."

Precisely, what does the above have to do with governing the USA? I like religious symbols as much as anyone but it does not have anything to do with running the country. Personally, I think it is nice that Tim Tebow is humble and gives thanks to God.

If a great football player with the capabilities of Tim Tebow was homosexual and also a devil worshiper and after a game would give public thanks to his gay lover as well as to the satanic religion, would you still watch the games and the post-game interviews"

"Call it what you want, but the grandmother was speaking the absolute truth. You can feed an alligator till it gets close enough to kill you. The same applies to people that are prone to under work and over breed."

Say it anyway you want, but the above quote is a prejudiced statement.

[Guest]

"Call it what you want, but the grandmother was speaking the absolute truth. You can feed an alligator till it gets close enough to kill you. The same applies to people that are prone to under work and over breed."


[COLOR="Red"] Say it anyway you want, but the above quote is a prejudiced statement.You are abolutly right that the above is a prejudiced statement.

I said it and I believe it to be the truth. It is sad but true. I wish I could change it, but its true. This country would be better off without it, but its true. KEEP IN MIND, those that over breed and under work come from all Races, Religions and social backgrounds. This great country is rotting from the inside out BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE people to over breed and be lazy.

Show me why I am wrong about this statement and I will thank you for it.

[Guest]

Just like damn rabbits.....and lazy rabbits at that! :cus:

[Guest]

Gee, with a statement from certain posters on this forum of "This great country is rotting from the inside out BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE people to over breed and be lazy." - maybe the conservative answer would be mandatory sterilizations of people on welfare. Weren't eugenics also one of the ideas of a certain leader in WWII?

[Guest]

Gee, with a statement from certain posters on this forum of "This great country is rotting from the inside out BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE people to over breed and be lazy." - maybe the conservative answer would be mandatory sterilizations of people on welfare. Weren't eugenics also one of the ideas of a certain leader in WWII?

I figure at the tax rate I am in right now, I am supporting approximately 3 welfare recipients and their 10 children. I no longer wish to do that. Does that make me wrong?

[Guest]

Gee, with a statement from certain posters on this forum of "This great country is rotting from the inside out BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE people to over breed and be lazy." - maybe the conservative answer would be mandatory sterilizations of people on welfare. Weren't eugenics also one of the ideas of a certain leader in WWII?

And apparently eugenics was the idea in the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade, according to Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg:


Q: Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women?

JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html?pagewanted=all

[Guest]

Gee, with a statement from certain posters on this forum of "This great country is rotting from the inside out BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE people to over breed and be lazy." - maybe the conservative answer would be mandatory sterilizations of people on welfare. Weren't eugenics also one of the ideas of a certain leader in WWII?

Repubs supporting Santorum might have problems with that. At least he would since he seems he supports "rabbits" :cus:

[Guest]

If ilovetv would have posted the full exchange with Ruth Ginsburg, it would have looked a little different than taking a little snippet out of context:
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JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.

Q: When you say that reproductive rights need to be straightened out, what do you mean?

JUSTICE GINSBURG: The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman.
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[Guest]

Q: When you say that reproductive rights need to be straightened out, what do you mean?

JUSTICE GINSBURG: The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman.

[Guest]

Q: When you say that reproductive rights need to be straightened out, what do you mean?

JUSTICE GINSBURG: The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman.

The government has no business in the matter of the killing of innocents and concerning the people who commit these atrocities? Always has been warped inhuman thinking and still is.

I'll never know how a liberal can ever "speak to God" with a straight face.

Reproductive rights?; what a travesty. Millions of babies agree.