Who the heck does Obama think he is

[Guest]

I am just blown away how President Obama thinks he has the right to tell religious organizations that they must provide birth control including sterilization and morning after pills, and when they object and the heat gets too hot for him to handle, he has the gall to
ORDER private businesses to provide the products and services FREE.
I am still in shock that in this free country people still think he has the right to ORDER me to buy ONLY the type of insurance that HE thinks I should have.
Who the heck does he think he is.
IMPEACH HIM.
JJ

[Guest]

I am just blown away how President Obama thinks he has the right to tell religious organizations that they must provide birth control including sterilization and morning after pills, and when they object and the heat gets too hot for him to handle, he has the gall to
ORDER private businesses to provide the products and services FREE.
I am still in shock that in this free country people still think he has the right to ORDER me to buy ONLY the type of insurance that HE thinks I should have.
Who the heck does he think he is.
IMPEACH HIM.
JJ

King.

[Guest]

I am just blown away how President Obama thinks he has the right to tell religious organizations that they must provide birth control including sterilization and morning after pills, and when they object and the heat gets too hot for him to handle, he has the gall to
ORDER private businesses to provide the products and services FREE.
I am still in shock that in this free country people still think he has the right to ORDER me to buy ONLY the type of insurance that HE thinks I should have.
Who the heck does he think he is.
IMPEACH HIM.
JJ

State-controlled is what the Obamacare bill always was, and always will be about. Their goal is to force the insurance companies into insolvency so they can come in as "savior" and "gift" "free" medical care (unlimited of course) to buy the votes using OPM....Other People's Money.

[Guest]

If he has the power to do this, what can't he order private citizens to do?

He does not have this authority.

[Guest]

King.




He's The President of The United States - ask Osama Bin Laden who he is.

We had an election in 2008 and he won. Guess you missed it.

Another waste of bandwidth by the reich wingers.

[Guest]

He's The President of The United States - ask Osama Bin Laden who he is.

We had an election in 2008 and he won. Guess you missed it.

Another waste of bandwidth by the reich wingers.

Do you seriously think the President has the right to ORDER private businesses to provide goods and services FREE?
No way do you believe that.
He was elected president. NOT dictator. He does NOT have the authority to do that.
JJ

[Guest]

He's The President of The United States - ask Osama Bin Laden who he is.

We had an election in 2008 and he won. Guess you missed it.

Another waste of bandwidth by the reich wingers.

THIS post represents exactly what is wrong with this country.

And more importantly the mindset of this administration !

[Guest]

THIS post represents exactly what is wrong with this country.

And more importantly the mindset of this administration !

Can you even imagine how anyone that is not a tighty whitey right wing radical thinking he could be in charge.

[Guest]

He's The President of The United States - ask Osama Bin Laden who he is.

We had an election in 2008 and he won. Guess you missed it.

Another waste of bandwidth by the reich wingers.

Oh brother...maybe this post should be in the thread titled "Here we go again".

[Guest]

He thinks he is the President of the United States and ya know what?....He is. :icon_wink:

[Guest]

still not able to have a discussion without derogatory, racist, just plain nasty name calling. At some point people who back their man in this manner do nothing more than degrade their own party. Some on this forum have gone well past that point.

Sticks and stones add zero value and reduce credibility.

btk

[Guest]

still not able to have a discussion without derogatory, racist, just plain nasty name calling. At some point people who back their man in this manner do nothing more than degrade their own party. Some on this forum have gone well past that point.

Sticks and stones add zero value and reduce credibility.

btk

Yea. Everyone needs to listen to this and lighten up, he is in fact our President. Give him the respect he deserves.

[Guest]

still not able to have a discussion without derogatory, racist, just plain nasty name calling. At some point people who back their man in this manner do nothing more than degrade their own party. Some on this forum have gone well past that point.

Sticks and stones add zero value and reduce credibility.

btk

Where were you when villagegolfer was spouting his viewpoints in this manner?

[Guest]

Where were you when villagegolfer was spouting his viewpoints in this manner?

He is back on ling alot lately, but is not posting anything at all.

[Guest]

I do NOT agree with his policies and actions.
He was elected President, NOT king.
I know liberals cannot agree with this ORDER. If you agree Please type it, read it and then post it ONLY if you really do agree.
I say no person, President, Speaker of the house, congressman, or regulator has any right in America to ORDER a private business to provide goods and services FREE.
Please address that question straight on.
Do you think the President of the United States has the power to ORDER a private business to provide goods and services FREE??
What law gives him that right?
If you do believe that and you can quote me a law that gives him that authority, that will be proof our government, NOT just the president has gone TOO far.
I honestly do not think anyone who wants to live in a free country can believe this Order is legal or proper.
Thanks.
JJ

[Guest]

still not able to have a discussion without derogatory, racist, just plain nasty name calling. At some point people who back their man in this manner do nothing more than degrade their own party. Some on this forum have gone well past that point.

Sticks and stones add zero value and reduce credibility.

btk

Yea. Everyone needs to listen to this and lighten up, he is in fact our President. Give him the respect he deserves.

You did not notice it was the left in this thread that was doing the name calling, NOT the right? Show me one post from the Right that was derogatory, racist, or nasty. Both posts of name calling in this post were from the left.
I do not want any name calling. I want you on the left to really think about this ORDER. It is dangerous!

I respect the office and him as President but not policies such as this ORDER.

I am VERY happy about his decision to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sincerely THANK YOU President Obama for saving the lives of many American soldiers that would have been maimed or ended unnecessarily if we stayed any longer.

JJ

[Guest]

He is back on ling alot lately, but is not posting anything at all.

Maybe he will bring his wit and wisdom back someday! :clap2:

[Guest]

Maybe he will bring his wit and wisdom back someday! :clap2:

The six pac has not been the same since they lost their leader.

[Guest]

Villager II, what is ling?

[Guest]

Villager II, what is ling?

the last four letters of my beer. LOL I meant Line

[Guest]

Thanks for clearing that up. LOL

[Guest]

Amazing how the libs (yes, you too V II) have no problem give omnipotent powers to this President. These are the same people who were whining that GW was overreaching his authority when he was attempting nothing of this magnitude in the private sector.

[Guest]

IN CHARGE, in this context, does not allow anyone of any party to do some of the things this administration has attempted.

I am really getting a bit tired of you VILLAGER2 and your continuing attempt to paint yourself as something you are not. You call BIGOT, but you are the bigot....you call others names that apply to you for the most part.

Perhaps those of use who are opposed to this President's policies (NOT I might add anything personal, so back off with the slander stuff you usually use)..know where he came from and who he associated with....maybe we remember the protection he was given by the media in 2008....you call Santorum names but do you recall the church philosophy that our President grew up in and was mentored in (mentored is his word)...yet he is beyond your hate talk...do you recall his promise to have an open and public debate on health care COSTS, but then took it behind closed doors, used blackmail, etc to get a bill passed (THAT DID NOTHING ABOUT COSTS) and then just said...oh, sorry about not making it public but I know better for you.

Your use of terms like "tighty whitey" are absolutely offensive and I am plain tired of your language used here as if you are some sort of teacher...you need to get educated. YOu really and truly believe what you said in another thread about being the only poster who gets it...you are about as far off as you can be in all areas, and that has nothing to do with your political leanings. You seem to never get tired of labeling people with some sort of label that only YOU understand.

Some of us are actually good americans with no labels...we just enjoy discussion of issues and want to hear both sides without the labels and name calling.

I hate to break it to you but you are not special in anyway.

You got it 100 % right bucco. I am only sorry how you thought I felt any different than you. I am just as plain as white bread with no butter. I was raised a farm boy in Iowa in a normal republican Iowa family with all the normal prejudices against minorities and anyone different than us. I have mellowed in that some since my military career and travels around the world. But, I am still a conservative and will vote republican in November and just between you and me, will do whatever I can to get the person out of the WH.

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You got it 100 % right bucco. I am only sorry how you thought I felt any different than you. I am just as plain as white bread with no butter. I was raised a farm boy in Iowa in a normal republican Iowa family with all the normal prejudices against minorities and anyone different than us. I have mellowed in that some since my military career and travels around the world. But, I am still a conservative and will vote republican in November and just between you and me, will do whatever I can to get the Kenyan out of the WH.

Well, you have called members on here who critique the President names...you have called those in public service who criticize him names, and just recently you referred to the oppostion party as "tight whiteys"...not sure what else to conclude using your posts as a guide !

By the way, I consider you remark about the President (the Kenyan) as slanderous as those you make about others...not necessary and not appreciated.

[Guest]

Well, you have called members on here who critique the President names...you have called those in public service who criticize him names, and just recently you referred to the oppostion party as "tight whiteys"...not sure what else to conclude using your posts as a guide !

By the way, I consider you remark about the President (the Kenyan) as slanderous as those you make about others...not necessary and not appreciated.

Sorry bucco. I have edited the kenyan out of the post.

[Guest]

the original protesters to this contraception stuff,the catholic bishops,aren't these the same guys that continue to cover up all the child molestation cases.They should really just shut up and clean up the cesspool that the church has become. And isn't this the same organization that takes 2 collections for their charities so that the kids around the world whose parents have been brainwashed that contraception is a sin can have shoes and maybe a book.

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the original protesters to this contraception stuff,the catholic bishops,aren't these the same guys that continue to cover up all the child molestation cases.They should really just shut up and clean up the cesspool that the church has become. And isn't this the same organization that takes 2 collections for their charities so that the kids around the world whose parents have been brainwashed that contraception is a sin can have shoes and maybe a book.

The fact that a few, probably homosexuals, who got ordained against strict orders from the Vatican not to ordain homosexuals, may have moleseted teenage boys does not preclude The Church from speaking out. The numbers of pedophile priests is not as great as in other organizations, like teachers, scout leaders, and Protestant Ministers, It is being made more visible by the Leftist press, probably under the influence of the Masons, to try to destroy The Church.

Many contraceptives are really abortifactants, ie. they kill the baby. But there is more to this. Why should private organizations be forced to go against their own teachings and laws to provide something that violates their consencious. This action by BHO is dangerous in that it shows how much power he thinks he has and how close we are to dictatorship.

I will gladly continue to contribute to worthwhile charities that help the poor around the World. And if anyone in this country thinks they are poor, I tell them look how the really poor of the World are, visit India, Eqypt, Cambodia and more. They won't complain anymore. The poor in these countries are not poor because of overpopulation, they are poor because of their Government's actions in keeping them poor, they need Capitalism. Vietnam is booming because of capitalism, at least in the South.

Kyrie Eleison

[Guest]

The fact that a few, probably homosexuals, who got ordained against strict orders from the Vatican not to ordain homosexuals, may have moleseted teenage boys does not preclude The Church from speaking out. The numbers of pedophile priests is not as great as in other organizations, like teachers, scout leaders, and Protestant Ministers, It is being made more visible by the Leftist press, probably under the influence of the Masons, to try to destroy The Church.

Many contraceptives are really abortifactants, ie. they kill the baby. But there is more to this. Why should private organizations be forced to go against their own teachings and laws to provide something that violates their consencious. This action by BHO is dangerous in that it shows how much power he thinks he has and how close we are to dictatorship.

I will gladly continue to contribute to worthwhile charities that help the poor around the World. And if anyone in this country thinks they are poor, I tell them look how the really poor of the World are, visit India, Eqypt, Cambodia and more. They won't complain anymore. The poor in these countries are not poor because of overpopulation, they are poor because of their Government's actions in keeping them poor, they need Capitalism. Vietnam is booming because of capitalism, at least in the South.

Kyrie Eleison


Mr. Katz has said for years that the homosexuals purposefully infiltrated the Catholic church...

[Guest]

Great place to work and not have to explain why they are not married. Celibacy will pervert anyones mind and should be done away with or keep the young boys out of the reach of these priests. No offence, just one mans opinion. :duck:

[Guest]

Yea. Everyone needs to listen to this and lighten up, he is in fact our President. Give him the respect he deserves.

Villager II You are exactly right and Obama is getting the respect he deserves for the double dealing artful dodger that he is. You folks brag about the fact that he took bin Laden out because he posed for photos to enhance his presidential campaign. However he did so at the expense of Navy Seals who depend on secrecy to keep them alive and their methods a surprise to our enemies. The Navy is steaming mad.

Another poster made mention that he is president and can do what he wants. Well they are wrong. A President does what the people want. This other poster is also wrong because that is what the russian and German citizens said about Hitler, Stalin, etc . He is our leader and he can do what he wants.

What Obama has done to the Catholic Church is in part their fault for embracing him and his ideas. Like so many other organizations and people they knew what he was but still endorse, praise and pampered him only to be betrayed. East Europeans were fooled because their oppressors applied what historians referred to as the saliami tact. They took away a slice of their freedom at a time for of course "the good of the people" and because they would not notice and by the time they did....well ask a lobster what a warm bath in a pot feels like...Oops you can't because they got boiled.
To trust Obama is to believe that you can scoop up air and hold it in your hand indefinitely. P.T. Barnum was right.........Obama needs to go

[Guest]

It is sad that the Catholic church has been fooled in the past. Let's hope that they can draw the line in the sand and stand before it is too late.
If there are more like Rick Santorum in the pews, there may be lots of hope!

[Guest]

It is sad that the Catholic church has been fooled in the past. Let's hope that they can draw the line in the sand and stand before it is too late.
If there are more like Rick Santorum in the pews, there may be lots of hope!

Our only retaliation is in the collection, especially Cardinal's Appeal. Have written to the Cardinal that he needs to publicly announce that the pro-abortion politcians can not receive Holy Communion since they excommunicated themselves. Not to do so brings scandal and disrespect to Christ. But many are afraid of losing tax exempt status.

Then we have Sister Carol Keehan, head of Catholic Hospital's Association. Sister has been a strong backer of Obamacare. I wonder what her parents would have thought. I worked with her mother years ago before she retired to the Tampa, FL area, her father was the Station Postmaster. Sister Keehan used to be cloistered, she should have stayed cloistered.

[Guest]

I am just blown away how President Obama thinks he has the right to tell religious organizations that they must provide birth control including sterilization and morning after pills, and when they object and the heat gets too hot for him to handle, he has the gall to
ORDER private businesses to provide the products and services FREE.
I am still in shock that in this free country people still think he has the right to ORDER me to buy ONLY the type of insurance that HE thinks I should have.
Who the heck does he think he is.
IMPEACH HIM.
JJ

Who the hell do you think you are telling any women she cannot protect her body from an unwanted pregnancy? You Republican's rail against government intrusion until you get into office and then the attacks on women start. Just look at all the anti-abortion across the country in Red states.

Does the Catholic Church pay for boner medication? Most likely so....Hypocrites!!!!

[Guest]

Who the hell do you think you are telling any women she cannot protect her body from an unwanted pregnancy? You Republican's rail against government intrusion until you get into office and then the attacks on women start. Just look at all the anti-abortion across the country in Red states.

Does the Catholic Church pay for boner medication? Most likely so....Hypocrites!!!!

Please read what YOU just wrote. Where did I say any woman cannot protect her body from unwanted pregnancy. Liberals always miss the point.
The point is the President has no authority to ORDER a private business to provide the medication and service FREE. That is Dictatorship.
Women have every right to contraception. If they want to PAY for a health care policy that covers contraception.. that is fine with me. Same thing with Viagra.
Now do you understand?
JJ

[Guest]

Our only retaliation is in the collection, especially Cardinal's Appeal. Have written to the Cardinal that he needs to publicly announce that the pro-abortion politcians can not receive Holy Communion since they excommunicated themselves. Not to do so brings scandal and disrespect to Christ. But many are afraid of losing tax exempt status.

Then we have Sister Carol Keehan, head of Catholic Hospital's Association. Sister has been a strong backer of Obamacare. I wonder what her parents would have thought. I worked with her mother years ago before she retired to the Tampa, FL area, her father was the Station Postmaster. Sister Keehan used to be cloistered, she should have stayed cloistered.

The line item for wafers and wine can be drastically reduced. :a040:

[Guest]

Please read what YOU just wrote. Where did I say any woman cannot protect her body from unwanted pregnancy. Liberals always miss the point.
The point is the President has no authority to ORDER a private business to provide the medication and service FREE. That is Dictatorship.
Women have every right to contraception. If they want to PAY for a health care policy that covers contraception.. that is fine with me. Same thing with Viagra.
Now do you understand?
JJ

We can agree on the boner medication point....however most Americans get healthcare from their employers.... And that's the rub. Birth control pills are used for other conditions than contraception. But the Catholic Bishops have a zero tolerance for their use.

Women should have to pay for this medication, as we all do for ours, but the Bishops made the point they should not have to PAY due to their beliefs. If these women work for a Catholic hospital they should have access to healthcare which includes this medication....

[Guest]

We can agree on the boner medication point....however most Americans get healthcare from their employers.... And that's the rub. Birth control pills are used for other conditions than contraception. But the Catholic Bishops have a zero tolerance for their use.

Women should have to pay for this medication, as we all do for ours, but the Bishops made the point they should not have to PAY due to their beliefs. If these women work for a Catholic hospital they should have access to healthcare which includes this medication....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The President doesn't have the authority to do what you want. There are limitations to what the President can force private citizens to do. There is freedom of religion. There is freedom of speech.

Thank the founders, and thank God for that.

[Guest]

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The President doesn't have the authority to do what you want. There are limitations to what the President can force private citizens to do. There is freedom of religion. There is freedom of speech.

Thank the founders, and thank God for that.

We call this statement projection....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The founders started this country with a simple principle...FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You can't change that...you can't impose your religion on me or anyone else. The Catholic Bishops can't force their religious principles on their employee's. That is what they are trying to do.

These drugs are used for things other than contraception however the Catholic bishops have a zero tolerance for there use. The church has always stated that sex is for procreation NOT recreation....that is why gay relationships are, to use their phrase, imperfect. With that logic in place then the Church should ban the use of and payment for boner medication for men of a certain age.

The Republican party is not satisfied with trying to ban abortions and the morning after pill, now they are going after birth control. To coin your phrase it is an all out war on women!!!!!!

Guess you think all women should be barefoot and pregnant.

[Guest]

We call this statement projection....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The founders started this country with a simple principle...FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You can't change that...you can't impose your religion on me or anyone else. The Catholic Bishops can't force their religious principles on their employee's. That is what they are trying to do.

These drugs are used for things other than contraception however the Catholic bishops have a zero tolerance for there use. The church has always stated that sex is for procreation NOT recreation....that is why gay relationships are, to use their phrase, imperfect. With that logic in place then the Church should ban the use of and payment for boner medication for men of a certain age.

The Republican party is not satisfied with trying to ban abortions and the morning after pill, now they are going after birth control. To coin your phrase it is an all out war on women!!!!!!

Guess you think all women should be barefoot and pregnant.


:1rotfl: This is without a doubt, one of the most ridiculous posts on this forum! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

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:1rotfl: This is without a doubt, one of the most ridiculous posts on this forum! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nice....

You think that birth control pills are not used for other medical conditions?

Or you think that the Catholic Bishops can force their beliefs on employee's?

[Guest]

Women should have to pay for this medication, as we all do for ours, but the Bishops made the point they should not have to PAY due to their beliefs. If these women work for a Catholic hospital they should have access to healthcare which includes this medication....

Is there actually a recorded case of a women being denied there medication in the last 20 years? Hell you can buy it in a vending machine now. You can have it mailed to you through the internet, you can get it from planned parent hood and your doctor. This is about getting it free for the left and government staying out of religion for the right.
All this, " republicans want to take womens health care rights away" is lefty BS.

[Guest]

Is there actually a recorded case of a women being denied there medication in the last 20 years? Hell you can buy it in a vending machine now. You can have it mailed to you through the internet, you can get it from planned parent hood and your doctor. This is about getting it free for the left and government staying out of religion for the right.
All this, " republicans want to take womens health care rights away" is lefty BS.

So Rick Stantorum didn't say this:

In an interview with Jake Tapper on ABC News, Santorum reiterated his opposition to the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling that prevented Connecticut from banning contraception.“The state has a right to do that, I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that," he said. "It is not a constitutional right. The state has the right to pass whatever statutes they have. That's the thing I have said about the activism of the Supreme Court--they are creating rights, and it should be left up to the people to decide."

There goes the lefty BS line......

[Guest]

Don't really see how this changes anything.

Contraception should not be a constitutional right it should be left to the individual to decide it not the government.
Pretty obscure quote to apply to this.

I don't feel anybody should be passing laws one way or the other to decide who gets what in health care.

This should ALWAYS be a personal right, not mandated, not denied!

The BS still exists about the "right" trying to take womens health care rights away. It is hyped because it helps the cause. When the left is done using women to push their agenda they will drop them and move on to the next group of Americans they can use for their cause, what ever it is.
Where is your outrage when it comes to government trampling on religious rights that are actually part of the constitution.

[Guest]

We call this statement projection....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The founders started this country with a simple principle...FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You can't change that...you can't impose your religion on me or anyone else. The Catholic Bishops can't force their religious principles on their employee's. That is what they are trying to do.

These drugs are used for things other than contraception however the Catholic bishops have a zero tolerance for there use. The church has always stated that sex is for procreation NOT recreation....that is why gay relationships are, to use their phrase, imperfect. With that logic in place then the Church should ban the use of and payment for boner medication for men of a certain age.

The Republican party is not satisfied with trying to ban abortions and the morning after pill, now they are going after birth control. To coin your phrase it is an all out war on women!!!!!!

Guess you think all women should be barefoot and pregnant.

Now you're just getting hysterical, and it's unseemly. You are much smarter than this post indicates.

No one is preventing a woman from getting contraceptive medicine.

BUT, no one can force the Roman Catholic Church to pay for it.

[Guest]

So Rick Stantorum didn't say this:

In an interview with Jake Tapper on ABC News, Santorum reiterated his opposition to the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling that prevented Connecticut from banning contraception.“The state has a right to do that, I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that," he said. "It is not a constitutional right. The state has the right to pass whatever statutes they have. That's the thing I have said about the activism of the Supreme Court--they are creating rights, and it should be left up to the people to decide."

There goes the lefty BS line......

Please provide a link so I can see the context of your claim.

I really do not see however what Santorum or the religious position against contraception has anything to do with my objection to our President (NOT our dictator) ORDERING a private business to provide goods and services FREE. Where does he get that authority? I totally agree with you that contraction should be the choice of the individual.

And worse yet, NOTHING is free.. His solution is to ORDER a business to give it to the objecting Catholics FREE which will mean that company will get that money from the non objectors to pay for the FREE objectors coverage. THAT is NOT fair.

Why not just say policies can include contraction or not, choice of the BUYER?
JJ

[Guest]

Please provide a link so I can see the context of your claim.

I really do not see however what Santorum or the religious position against contraception has anything to do with my objection to our President (NOT our dictator) ORDERING a private business to provide goods and services FREE. Where does he get that authority? I totally agree with you that contraction should be the choice of the individual.

And worse yet, NOTHING is free.. His solution is to ORDER a business to give it to the objecting Catholics FREE which will mean that company will get that money from the non objectors to pay for the FREE objectors coverage. THAT is NOT fair.

Why not just say policies can include contraction or not, choice of the BUYER?
JJ

There is a HUGE difference between STATES RIGHTS and FEDERAL MANDATES. Wasn't the civil war based on STATES rights versus the Federal government ?

[Guest]

Don't really see how this changes anything.

Contraception should not be a constitutional right it should be left to the individual to decide it not the government.
Pretty obscure quote to apply to this.

I don't feel anybody should be passing laws one way or the other to decide who gets what in health care.

This should ALWAYS be a personal right, not mandated, not denied!

The BS still exists about the "right" trying to take womens health care rights away. It is hyped because it helps the cause. When the left is done using women to push their agenda they will drop them and move on to the next group of Americans they can use for their cause, what ever it is.
Where is your outrage when it comes to government trampling on religious rights that are actually part of the constitution.

Now I am confused..... The Catholic Bishops, in regard to the Affordable Healthcare Act, said they would not cover employees for contraception. That is what started this....

I don't see anyone trampling my religious rights... We have freedom of religion here in the US. I was a victim in the 50's when I was forced to read from an non-Catholic bible in school but we fixed that over the years.

[Guest]

Please provide a link so I can see the context of your claim.

I really do not see however what Santorum or the religious position against contraception has anything to do with my objection to our President (NOT our dictator) ORDERING a private business to provide goods and services FREE. Where does he get that authority? I totally agree with you that contraction should be the choice of the individual.

And worse yet, NOTHING is free.. His solution is to ORDER a business to give it to the objecting Catholics FREE which will mean that company will get that money from the non objectors to pay for the FREE objectors coverage. THAT is NOT fair.

Why not just say policies can include contraction or not, choice of the BUYER?
JJ

Providing a link would be useless...you don't trust a the "Liberal Media" ABC is the liberal media.

So the Bishops said they could not provide this medication to their employees, so the administration said we will take it out of the employers mandate and transfer it to the insurance company. Your problem seems to be that these women are getting some for free and you are not.

How would you solve the problem???

[Guest]

Please provide a link so I can see the context of your claim.

JJ

Santorum: Insurance shouldn’t cover birth control at all - The Plum Line - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/santorum-insurance-shouldnt-cover-birth-control-at-all/2012/02/10/gIQAJZaY4Q_blog.html)

Santorum: Birth Control Is Not Something 'You Need Insurance For' Because It Costs 'Just A Few Dollars' | Care2 Causes (http://www.care2.com/causes/santorum-birth-control-is-not-something-you-need-insurance-for-because-it-costs-just-a-few-dollars.html)

Rick Santorum Favors Making Birth Control Illegal (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rick-santorum-favors-making-birth-control-illegal/)

[Guest]

Santorum is a first class nut case.

[Guest]

Santorum is a first class nut case.


Oh, well then. That takes care of that. Now that I know this it will make my choice easier! Really?

I think you could say that about your/our president. His ideas are out of this world. Maybe that is why he defunded NASA? That way we won't find out what planet he came from.

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Oh, well then. That takes care of that. Now that I know this it will make my choice easier! Really?

I think you could say that about your/our president. His ideas are out of this world. Maybe that is why he defunded NASA? That way we won't find out what planet he came from.

But I thought he was from Kenya!!!! LOL

And I heard today on the news NASA was presenting their budget.

DEFUNDED?

Oh wait maybe you agree with a colony on the moon.

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Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck support Santorum. That should be enough to make you cringe at the sound of his name.

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this thread is like watching a 4 way tennis match with the court laid out in a +!!

btk

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I am just blown away how President Obama thinks he has the right to tell religious organizations that they must provide birth control including sterilization and morning after pills, and when they object and the heat gets too hot for him to handle, he has the gall to
ORDER private businesses to provide the products and services FREE.
I am still in shock that in this free country people still think he has the right to ORDER me to buy ONLY the type of insurance that HE thinks I should have.
Who the heck does he think he is.
IMPEACH HIM.
JJ

I think he thinks he is the president. Do you recall when Cheney said, when asked how he felt knowing the american people do not support the war in iraq, SO? So let's not pretend that Obama is the first guy to not care what you think. Obama had the religious right on one hand and the women of america on the other. Women's groups applied equal pressure to have the mandate that birth control be funded. Once again, if you don't believe in birth control DON"T USE it, but you have no right to take that away from women who want and need it. Do you think Catholics don't use birth control?

As for insurance, let me tell you, you are paying for every person who does not have insurance. You are paying for illegals getting health care. You are paying for the idiots who don't use seat belts and drive drunk.

I have a much simpler solution. If you don't have the required insurance, then you don't get treated when you are ill and injured. Do you like that alternative better?

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Who the hell do you think you are telling any women she cannot protect her body from an unwanted pregnancy? You Republican's rail against government intrusion until you get into office and then the attacks on women start. Just look at all the anti-abortion across the country in Red states.

Does the Catholic Church pay for boner medication? Most likely so....Hypocrites!!!!

LOL...good post!! I have said for years that the right wing wants government out of everything but the most personal and private decisions of your life. And I have asked many many times where are the right wingers once that child is born ie: programs to help the families support a child that they could not care for. The kind of never answer that.

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Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck support Santorum. That should be enough to make you cringe at the sound of his name.

With that logic I can point to many who's support of Romney would make me question his candidacy.

John McCain would be the biggest warning sign to me. Donald Trump and his political lunacy is another.

As for much closer to home, meaning this forum, your cheering for Romney is not a good endorsement in my view.

You owe me now, because I lumped you in with these big names.

That's more respect than you've ever given me.

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I think he thinks he is the president. Do you recall when Cheney said, when asked how he felt knowing the american people do not support the war in iraq, SO? So let's not pretend that Obama is the first guy to not care what you think. Obama had the religious right on one hand and the women of america on the other. Women's groups applied equal pressure to have the mandate that birth control be funded. Once again, if you don't believe in birth control DON"T USE it, but you have no right to take that away from women who want and need it. Do you think Catholics don't use birth control?

As for insurance, let me tell you, you are paying for every person who does not have insurance. You are paying for illegals getting health care. You are paying for the idiots who don't use seat belts and drive drunk.

I have a much simpler solution. If you don't have the required insurance, then you don't get treated when you are ill and injured. Do you like that alternative better?

OK.. one last time.
This is not just about me disagreeing with President Obama. All presidents have citizens disagree with them.
My problem is the President thinking he can ORDER private businesses to order companies to provide goods and services FREE.
Do you not see how dangerous that is?
If you own a business will you be ok with President Obama telling you to provide your goods and services FREE to his political allies... women, minorities.. etc?
If you say ok.. then you must be ok with President Santorum ORDERING your business to provide your goods and services FREE to his allies.. Catholics, right wingers, the RICH..
I am CERTAIN you would not be ok with that.
It is the end of this country as we know it if the President can really do this.

Regarding me paying in my premiums for others who do not have insurance. I do NOT agree with that also.
I have no problem with STATES taxing for health care for citizens IF their CONSTITUTIONS allow it. I would not support it but I do not deny the authority of STATES to do it if they choose to do so. I can then move to another STATE if I choose.

This country for most of its history did not have socialized medicine. We do not need it now. I am fine with that.

My final point is there is no such thing as FREE. When President Obama says they must provide it free.. what he means is they must SHIFT the cost to their other customers.

I do not support Santorum and will not defend his indefensible positions. I think most Repubs are worse than DEMS because Dems tell you they are for big spending government, and they vote for them. Repubs say they are NOT big spenders but they still do, so they have two problems.. they are big spenders and they lie about it also.
JJ

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But I thought he was from Kenya!!!! LOL

And I heard today on the news NASA was presenting their budget.

DEFUNDED?

Oh wait maybe you agree with a colony on the moon.


No I think it has been defunded or the budget cut back to janitors only kind of budget.

No, I don't agree with colony on the moon. I think we need to figure out how to colonize this one before we go screw up another one.

As far as Kenya, I think there is a Kenya on Mars. It's kind of like the city of USA in China.


this thread is like watching a 4 way tennis match with the court laid out in a +!!
btk


Yeah but without the "love" and a lot of racquet throwing!

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Now I am confused..... The Catholic Bishops, in regard to the Affordable Healthcare Act, said they would not cover employees for contraception. That is what started this....

I don't see anyone trampling my religious rights... We have freedom of religion here in the US. I was a victim in the 50's when I was forced to read from an non-Catholic bible in school but we fixed that over the years.

But this has been an accepted fact for years in the Church!

In another thread I stated that I worked for a Catholic organization for 13 years. They did not cover birth control pills and I was ok with that...I understood why they did what they did.

Yes, I was a sinner and bought my own medication...and I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT! It is what it is.

What gives Mr. Obama the right to mandate anything that the Church decrees. He should just STAY OUT OF IT!

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With that logic I can point to many who's support of Romney would make me question his candidacy.

John McCain would be the biggest warning sign to me. Donald Trump and his political lunacy is another.

As for much closer to home, meaning this forum, your cheering for Romney is not a good endorsement in my view.

You owe me now, because I lumped you in with these big names.

That's more respect than you've ever given me.

You crack me down Richie. I am not so big on Trump, but being retired military I am a fan of McCain. Romney is not perfect, but he does not have any real bad habits. Remember, I read all your posts and only comment on the ones I disagree with. Since that is a small amount, I agree with the majority of your input. I got two main problems with politicians and that is:

Over support of God in the WH.(Santorum)

Under support of human rights.(Santorum)

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You crack me down Richie. I am not so big on Trump, but being retired military I am a fan of McCain. Romney is not perfect, but he does not have any real bad habits. Remember, I read all your posts and only comment on the ones I disagree with. Since that is a small amount, I agree with the majority of your input. I got two main problems with politicians and that is:

Over support of God in the WH.(Santorum)

Under support of human rights.(Santorum)

Now that's just nuts, on both counts.

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The contraceptive mandate's shakey justification-
The Contraceptive Mandate (http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/290844)

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Villager II, McCain is no better than Benidict Arnold, cut from the same cloth. When McCain pushed for amnisty for all illegals with Brother Lib Kennedy, he lost all respect that I had for him. He needs to go home, play with his grandchildren and stay away from anything that he could hurt himself with or the injury the country by being really stupid.

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Villager II, McCain is no better than Benidict Arnold, cut from the same cloth. When McCain pushed for amnisty for all illegals with Brother Lib Kennedy, he lost all respect that I had for him. He needs to go home, play with his grandchildren and stay away from anything that he could hurt himself with or the injury the country by being really stupid.

I know, but I find fault with all Democrats and almost all of the Republicans. I am running out of anyone I can stand behind. I was relieved when McCains boss picked palin as a running mate so I would not have to vote for him. It seems that only the weird ones want the high Office.

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and the incumbents validate that statement!!!!

btk

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and the incumbents validate that statement!!!!

btk

Second the motion, all in favor vote aye. WOW, it's confirmed, you are right billethkid. Congrats.